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Halsey
12-02-2008, 02:13 PM
There are only 3 RB's on the Pro Bowl roster. Which guy do you leave off in the NFC? Each of these guys would have an argument as being snubbbed. Nobody else really has a chance, so I won't include Matt Forte and DeAngelo Williams, even though they have bit of an argument.

Adrian Peterson: 1,311 yards rushing, 4.9ypc, 9 TD's

Clinton Portis: 1,228 yards rushing, 4.8ypc, 7 TD's

Michael Turner: 1,208 yards rushing, 4.3ypc, 13 TD's

Brandon Jacobs: 950 yards rushing, 5.1ypc, 12 TD's

Giantsfan1080
12-02-2008, 02:14 PM
Jacobs probably won't get in because he shares the ball the most.

Gay Ork Wang
12-02-2008, 02:16 PM
AP and CP are locks imo. I think Turner, Forte, Jacobs and DeAngelo Williams all have shots, id say 60% Turner, 20% Jacobs, Forte and DeAngelo 10% a piece

EvilMonkey
12-02-2008, 02:16 PM
Jacobs probably won't get in because he shares the ball the most.

i'd agree with that as well. As always, someone will get snubbed and I just find it tough putting Jacobs in over any of those guys.

abaddon41_80
12-02-2008, 02:17 PM
Forte and Gore both have arguments as they are 3rd and 4th in yards from scrimmage, right after Portis and Peterson.

A Perfect Score
12-02-2008, 02:17 PM
Most definately Jacobs. Not just because of the inferior stats, but due to the fact that the other 3 are primary backs, and Jacobs is in an RBC (for the most part, he does get the most carries). I think Forte deserves to go over Jacobs too.

awfullyquiet
12-02-2008, 02:19 PM
I'd leave Jacobs out.

The first two are a lock though.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-02-2008, 02:45 PM
AD and Portis are locks. Turner should be the 3rd. Also don't underestimate Cowboy voting and Marion Barber to make it. Barber actually is who I think will be the 3rd back. Barber made it last year when he didn't deserve it, so he'll get back in again. I mean last year he was a very rare pro bowl RB who didn't even reach 1,000 yards. He almost has his total of 975 yards from his pro bowl season a year ago.

If I were to chose the pro bowl, I'd do it like this:

1. Adrian Peterson
2. Clinton Portis
3. Michael Turner
4. Matt Forte
5. Brandon Jacobs
6. Deangelo Williams
7. Frank Gore
8. Marion Barber

NY+Giants=NYG
12-02-2008, 02:45 PM
Jacobs probably won't get in because he shares the ball the most.

Yup. I don't think it's fair, but I understand the thinking. I think having 3 backs helps us be # 1 in rushing, but hurts individual awards and glory I guess.

Vikes99ej
12-02-2008, 02:48 PM
Hahaha. Adrian Peterson not making the Pro Bowl. LOL.

bored of education
12-02-2008, 02:49 PM
Ad Portis and Turner get my votes

chea

BlindSite
12-02-2008, 02:59 PM
Wow, the NFC has some dominance.

Most interesting stat, Williams is the only back worth mentioning that has 0 fumbles.

bored of education
12-02-2008, 02:59 PM
Wow, the NFC has some dominance.

Most interesting stat, Williams is the only back worth mentioning that has 0 fumbles.

In your eyes ONLY.

giantsfan
12-02-2008, 03:02 PM
Jacobs probably won't get in because he shares the ball the most.

And that missed game has hurt him in terms of total yardage. Before that game he was right up there in total yardage and TDs with the best of the best, but now he's just got the TDs and great average unless he has a disgustingly dominant game on the horizon. Where he's just unstoppable and Killdrive keeps feeding him the ball, this would probably mean Ward leaving the game due to injury or something and Bradshaw not being as effective.

awfullyquiet
12-02-2008, 03:03 PM
Wow, the NFC has some dominance.

Most interesting stat, Williams is the only back worth mentioning that has 0 fumbles.

hmm. that is interesting.

relevant? no.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-02-2008, 03:10 PM
It definitely hurts Jacobs that the Giants can put in any back and he can rush for 100. Whereas for AD and Portis their backups Chester Taylor and Ladell Betts who are both quality backups both average just 3.7 ypc, so obviously it's not just the system.

d34ng3l021
12-02-2008, 03:19 PM
Wow, the NFC has some dominance.

Most interesting stat, Williams is the only back worth mentioning that has 0 fumbles.

Turners first one came last week on a blown call. And he leads the league in rushing attempts.

Whatever though. Its only the Pro Bowl. Who cares?

NY+Giants=NYG
12-02-2008, 03:20 PM
It definitely hurts Jacobs that the Giants can put in any back and he can rush for 100. Whereas for AD and Portis their backups Chester Taylor and Ladell Betts who are both quality backups both average just 3.7 ypc, so obviously it's not just the system.

Again credit Gilbride, who I am not a fan of, for coming up with different running concepts. Plus Ward and Bradshaw are actually quicker and have better vision than Jacobs. So I am not suprised that they have done well too. I actually prefer them to Jacobs. But Jacobs does add a physical element that effects defenses to a certain degree too.

BlindSite
12-02-2008, 03:23 PM
hmm. that is interesting.

relevant? no.

Hence, the choice of phrasing

Gay Ork Wang
12-02-2008, 03:26 PM
Turners first one came last week on a blown call. And he leads the league in rushing attempts.

Whatever though. Its only the Pro Bowl. Who cares?
Forte only has 1 with most touches in the league ;)

Menardo75
12-02-2008, 03:53 PM
It is really tight this year, but I would have to say Peterson, Portis, and Turner with Jacobs a very close fourth.

tjsunstein
12-02-2008, 03:58 PM
Wait, where's Ryan Grant?

I'd probably leave Jacobs off. Lots of snubs this year at NFC RB coming.

Crickett
12-02-2008, 04:00 PM
Leave Jacobs off and let him get in as a first alternate for Clinton Portis.

Shane P. Hallam
12-02-2008, 04:02 PM
AP and CP are locks imo. I think Turner, Forte, Jacobs and DeAngelo Williams all have shots, id say 60% Turner, 20% Jacobs, Forte and DeAngelo 10% a piece

So is Turner with 13 TDs. Jacobs is deserving, and God knows Portis or someone will bail out and Jacobs will get in.

BamaFalcon59
12-02-2008, 04:05 PM
The top three should all be locks.

giantsfan
12-02-2008, 04:08 PM
It definitely hurts Jacobs that the Giants can put in any back and he can rush for 100. Whereas for AD and Portis their backups Chester Taylor and Ladell Betts who are both quality backups both average just 3.7 ypc, so obviously it's not just the system.

When Jacobs dipped out for the cards game our running game was still sorta effective but it just wasn't the same and we needed Eli and great field position to control that game. Jacobs makes our running game strong enough to carry the team and let eli just play game manager most of the game, without him we need eli to do more. Not to say we're significantly worse off asking Eli to do more it's just a change I've noticed with our "identity" whatever that means.

The other backs in our system have great YPC but they also benefit hugely from Jacobs wearing out would be tacklers and our offensive line plays more power based when he's in their so we exhaust defenses letting Bradshaw come in and burn tired D's int eh fourth quarter for example.

awfullyquiet
12-02-2008, 04:25 PM
you also can't forget that AP benefits from having one of the better lines. Portis does what he does on sheer will alone sometimes on making the most with what he has.

it may not be the system. but it's definitely not all the backup's fault.

last year betts had about the same YPC as portis. taylor was below AP, but not by much.

Halsey
12-02-2008, 04:31 PM
I agree Jacobs should be left out, but don't underestimate how impressive his ypc average is and or how many TD's he has for having less carries than most starting RB's.

scar988
12-02-2008, 04:37 PM
maybe it's me but Turner, Portis and Peterson are locks unless they all stall in production.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-02-2008, 04:39 PM
I agree Jacobs should be left out, but don't underestimate how impressive his ypc average is and or how many TD's he has for having less carries than most starting RB's.

more carries usually correlates with a lower ypc average.

giantsfan
12-02-2008, 04:50 PM
more carries usually correlates with a lower ypc average.

The lesser carries comment was directed at his TD number. Although he runs the ball enough where he doesn't get a huge boost from the lower number of carries.

Turtlepower
12-02-2008, 04:55 PM
Well Turner will be the unanimous MVP, so I don't understand how he doesn't make the Pro Bowl. =P

Halsey
12-02-2008, 04:56 PM
more carries usually correlates with a lower ypc average.

Well, he's 14th in the NFL in rushing attempts and the only guy in the top 40 to average over 5ypc. I guess that means I was wrong to say he gets less carries than the average starting RB and right to say that his ypc average is very impressive.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-02-2008, 05:47 PM
Yeah rushing averages are tricky. Adrian Peterson averages 4.9 ypc but during the course of a game his runs will be like this: (2,4,-1,8,7,2,2,3,21,3,1,44,7,2,3,39) while Portis's average of 4.8 ypc looks like this: (5,7,3,5,4,7,5,9,11,13,3,5), which one is more impressive, it's your view.

BamaFalcon59
12-02-2008, 05:51 PM
Portis reminds me of the pro version of Javon Ringer.

Now that is, not in Denver.

D-Unit
12-02-2008, 06:05 PM
Wait, where's Ryan Grant?

I'd probably leave Jacobs off. Lots of snubs this year at NFC RB coming.
ahahahahahahaha *deep breath* muwahahahahahhaahaha...... ya killin' me! :D

D-Unit
12-02-2008, 06:06 PM
Portis reminds me of the pro version of Javon Ringer.

Now that is, not in Denver.
Knowshon reminds me of Portis.

BamaFalcon59
12-02-2008, 06:08 PM
I don't think Ringer has the natural tools to be like Portis in the pros. His running style, all around game, and ability to carry the load make him seem similar, though. They also both have a lot of 10-30 yard runs, but lack the big ones.

LonghornsLegend
12-02-2008, 06:11 PM
Knowshon=Caddillac through and through.


I'd find it hard to believe anyone beats out AD, Portis, and Turner, but I don't expect Portis to go or play so that leaves the door open for Jacobs or Forte.

D-Unit
12-02-2008, 06:15 PM
Before this goes off subject...

Are you guys also considering receiving yards that these backs have? I'm pretty sure majority here simply consider rushing yards and TDs to make all their assesments.

Judging by Total Yards, MB3 would be above Turner.

tjsunstein
12-02-2008, 06:18 PM
ahahahahahahaha *deep breath* muwahahahahahhaahaha...... ya killin' me! :D

:) Glad someone else thought it as funny as I did. Seriously, where is he? He doesn't seem to show up anywhere anymore, most importantly being gametime.

abaddon41_80
12-02-2008, 06:20 PM
The order I would put them in is

1. Peterson
2. Portis
3. Turner
4. Jacobs
5. Gore
6. Forte
7. Williams
8. Barber

BeerBaron
12-02-2008, 06:22 PM
AP, CP, and Turner all get in. i think Jacobs and Forte will be the alternates.....

....and if years past teach us anything, you can end up with a lot of alternate RB's seeing the field.

D-Unit
12-02-2008, 06:23 PM
Who wants to make a friendly sig bet with me? I say Barber gets IN the Pro Bowl.

Malaka
12-02-2008, 06:27 PM
I think Jacobs should get in, as explained in sig, however if you put a lot of emphasis on the receiving yards for these pro bowl backs then I do not believe Jacobs should be in the Pro Bowl, based on rushing alone he should be in over Turner IMO.

Jacobs not only has great stats, he has a very important impact on the Giants team itself, he wears down the opposing defenses with his punishing rushing style, and allows Derrick Ward and Ahamd Bradshaw to there thing. Without Jacobs the Giants rushing game would still be good but not #1 in the league like it is now.

As a Giants fan, in my ballad I am leaving Turner out going, Portis, Peterson, Jacobs, but a lot of that is due to my homerism ;)

Shane P. Hallam
12-02-2008, 06:28 PM
I think Jacobs should get in, as explained in sig, however if you put a lot of emphasis on the receiving yards for these pro bowl backs then I do not believe Jacobs should be in the Pro Bowl, based on rushing alone he should be in over Turner IMO.

Jacobs not only has great stats, he has a very important impact on the Giants team itself, he wears down the opposing defenses with his punishing rushing style, and allows Derrick Ward and Ahamd Bradshaw to there thing. Without Jacobs the Giants rushing game would still be good but not #1 in the league like it is now.

As a Giants fan, in my ballad I am leaving Turner out going, Portis, Peterson, Jacobs, but a lot of that is due to my homerism ;)

13 TDs for Turner!

Malaka
12-02-2008, 06:39 PM
13 TDs for Turner!

Homerism on ballads FTW!

Turtlepower
12-02-2008, 06:41 PM
Who wants to make a friendly sig bet with me? I say Barber gets IN the Pro Bowl.

So would an alternate count or only the top-3 spots?

Smooth Criminal
12-02-2008, 06:41 PM
I left out Jacobs.

Shane P. Hallam
12-02-2008, 06:44 PM
Who wants to make a friendly sig bet with me? I say Barber gets IN the Pro Bowl.

I'd easily bet he does not make the top 3 spots.

D-Unit
12-02-2008, 06:46 PM
So would an alternate count or only the top-3 spots?
Bottomline, I say he's a Pro Bowler. Doesn't matter how.

tjsunstein
12-02-2008, 06:57 PM
Bottomline, I say he's a Pro Bowler. Doesn't matter how.

So by way of reserve you would win? Just clarifying.

MetSox17
12-02-2008, 07:14 PM
I voted AD, Portis, Turner.

D-Unit
12-02-2008, 07:15 PM
So by way of reserve you would win? Just clarifying.
Even if he gets the Alternate. I win.

regoob2
12-02-2008, 10:11 PM
Hahaha. Adrian Peterson not making the Pro Bowl. LOL.
Peterson is more likely to be MVP than not make the pro bowl.

regoob2
12-02-2008, 10:13 PM
Knowshon reminds me of Portis.
I see Portis in Lesean McCoy. Great top end speed, vision, patience, similar size.

Gay Ork Wang
12-03-2008, 10:35 AM
I think Jacobs should get in, as explained in sig, however if you put a lot of emphasis on the receiving yards for these pro bowl backs then I do not believe Jacobs should be in the Pro Bowl, based on rushing alone he should be in over Turner IMO.

Jacobs not only has great stats, he has a very important impact on the Giants team itself, he wears down the opposing defenses with his punishing rushing style, and allows Derrick Ward and Ahamd Bradshaw to there thing. Without Jacobs the Giants rushing game would still be good but not #1 in the league like it is now.

As a Giants fan, in my ballad I am leaving Turner out going, Portis, Peterson, Jacobs, but a lot of that is due to my homerism ;)
I thought its all round so RBs Yards from scrimmage and overall play

Turtlepower
12-03-2008, 12:06 PM
Bottomline, I say he's a Pro Bowler. Doesn't matter how.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being an alternate. I would be surprised if he got one of the 3 spots though.

ChezPower4
12-03-2008, 01:10 PM
I think Jacobs wont get in

cdub11
12-03-2008, 01:13 PM
Peterson, Portis & Turner will go