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princefielder28
12-02-2008, 08:42 PM
QB

1. Nathan Brown | Central Arkansas
2. Chase Daniel | Missouri
3. Chase Holbrook | New Mexico State
4. Cullen Harper | Clemson
5. Graham Harrell | Texas Tech
6. Tom Brandstater | Fresno State
7. Curtis Painter | Purdue
8. Rhett Bomar | Sam Houston State
9. Rudy Carpenter | Arizona State
10. Hunter Cantwell | Louisville

RB

1. James Davis | Clemson
2. Javon Ringer | Michigan State
3. Devin Moore | Wyoming
4. Jeremiah Johnson | Oregon
5. Rashad Jennings | Liberty
6. Arian Foster | Tennessee
7. Cedric Peerman | Virginia
8. Andre Brown | North Carolina State
9. Kory Sheets | Purdue
10. Ian Johnson | Boise State

WR

1. Brian Robiskie | Ohio State
2. Jarett Dillard | Rice
3. Juaquin Iglesias | Oklahoma
4. Brandon Gibson | Washington State
5. Marko Mitchell | Nevada
6. Mohamed Massaquoi | Georgia
7. Brooks Foster | North Carolina
8. Brandon Tate | North Carolina
9. Ramses Barden | Cal Poly
10. Sammie Stroughter | Oregon State

TE

1. Chase Coffman | Missouri
2. Travis Beckum | Wisconsin
3. Brandon Pettigrew | Oklahoma State
4. Shawn Nelson | Southern Miss
5. Cornelius Ingram | Florida

OT

1. Eugene Monroe | Virginia
2. Michael Oher | Ole Miss
3. Jason Smith | Baylor
4. Troy Kropog | Tulane
5. Phil Loadholt | Oklahoma
6. Fenuki Tupou | Oregon
7. Jamon Meredith | South Carolina
8. Augustus Parrish | Kent State
9. Selvish Capers | West Virginia
10. Alex Boone | Ohio State

OG

1. Duke Robinson | Oklahoma
2. Herman Johnson | Louisiana State
3. Tyronne Green | Auburn
4. Kraig Urbik | Wisconsin
5. Trevor Canfield | Cincinnati

C

1. Alex Mack | California
2. Jonathan Luigs | Arkansas
3. Antoine Caldwell | Alabama
4. Max Unger | Oregon
5. Eric Wood | Louisville

DE

1. Brian Orakpo | Texas
2. Tyson Jackson | Louisiana State
3. Michael Johnson | Georgia Tech
4. Larry English | Northern Illinois
5. Cody Brown | Connecticut
6. Tim Jamison | Michigan
7. Matt Shaughnessy | Wisconsin
8. Pannel Egboh | Stanford
9. Phillip Hunt | Houston
10. Will Davis | Illinois
11. Connor Barwin | Cincinnati

DT

1. Peria Jerry | Ole Miss
2. B.J. Raji | Boston College
3. Vance Walker | Georgia Tech
4. Evander Hood | Missouri
5. Fili Moala | USC
6. Darryl Richard | Georgia Tech
7. Myron Pryor | Kentucky
8. Terrance Taylor | Michigan
9. Dorell Scott | Clemson
10. Ron Brace | Boston College

OLB

1. Aaron Curry | Wake Forest
2. Clint Sintim | Virginia
3. Marcus Freeman | Ohio State
4. Brian Cushing | USC
5. Tyrone McKenzie | South Florida
6. Jonathan Casillas | Wisconsin
7. Zach Follett | California
8. Anthony Heygood | Purdue
9. Clay Matthews | USC
10. Brian Toal | Boston College

ILB

1. James Laurinaitis | Ohio State
2. Rey Maualuga | USC
3. Dannell Ellerbe | Georgia
4. Scott McKillop | Pittsburgh
5. Darry Beckwith | Louisiana State

CB

1. Malcolm Jenkins | Ohio State
2. Darius Butler | UCONN
3. Victor Harris | Virginia Tech
4. Alphonso Smith | Wake Forest
5. Mark Parson | Ohio
6. Mike Mickens | Cincinnati
7. Kevin Barnes | Maryland
8. DeAngelo Smith | Cincinnati
9. Domonique Johnson | Jackson State
10. Joe Burnett | Central Florida

S

1. William Moore | Missouri
2. Derek Pegues | Mississippi State
3. Patrick Chung | Oregon
4. Rashad Johnson | Alabama
5. Michael Hamlin | Clemson
6. Curtis Taylor | Louisiana State
7. Chip Vaughn | Wake Forest
8. Courtney Greene | Rutgers
9. David Burton | Notre Dame
10. Kevin Ellison | USC

Sniper
12-02-2008, 08:43 PM
Well done, my compadre in Derrick Williams hate! Thanks for not putting that POS in there!

Also, no Hakeem Nicks in your WR rankings???? What's up with that?

princefielder28
12-02-2008, 08:45 PM
Well done, my compadre in Derrick Williams hate! Thanks for not putting that POS in there!

Also, no Hakeem Nicks in your WR rankings???? What's up with that?

Nicks is a junior

Sniper
12-02-2008, 08:45 PM
Nicks is a junior

My bad. I thought he was a senior.

Well done then.

ThePudge
12-02-2008, 09:04 PM
Kudos on the Mark Parson ranking, I go to Ohio University so I've seen plenty of him. I have to tell you though, he's not the game changer you'd like to see and he's unlikely to run any faster than 4.48 or so. He's a solid player, and could stick as a #3 corner somewhere. He's probably more of a mid round pick at this point at best. He was not overly productive, but he is just a solid player. Solid size, solid speed, solid production. Still to be ranked so high you'd like to have a trait that separates you. I see Parson in the late 4th-late 5th range. Nice to see a little respect in the MAC though.

iBoldin
12-02-2008, 09:05 PM
One of the only problems I have is Beckum over Pettigrew, IF this is purely skill, with nothing tied into it.

Turtlepower
12-02-2008, 09:13 PM
No Sammie Stoughter on your WR rankings?

619
12-02-2008, 09:22 PM
With such a weak senior class at QB I was surprised to see Bomar so low.

STARHEATHER
12-02-2008, 09:22 PM
looks eerily similar to someone else rankings.

princefielder28
12-02-2008, 09:23 PM
With such a weak senior class at QB I was surprised to see Bomar so low.

IMO, Bomar does nothing to strengthen the crop and is just another one of the guys who are average at best.

princefielder28
12-02-2008, 09:26 PM
looks eerily similar to someone else rankings.

ok?

thanks for your input as usual

STARHEATHER
12-02-2008, 09:41 PM
no problem

Matthew Jones
12-02-2008, 11:10 PM
Rhett's pretty low - at least he should be above Painter/Harper. Aside from how much hype they had coming in I don't see how you could have him below those guys, really. Bomar doesn't have the accuracy you want at this point, but neither does Painter and Bomar at least makes some plays. Those other guys failed to impress me at all this year - I hear Painter did good against Indiana, but that's not saying a whole lot. Harper was the reason his teams lost a lot of the games they did - he got a great supporting cast and couldn't take care of the ball versus a good team. Could you go a little more in depth on why you think Harper/Painter are that good?

Also not sure how James Davis stayed in front of Javon Ringer in your rankings - Ringer competed for the rushing title this year and James Davis looked like a bum pretty much all season. His yards per carry has been on a sharp decline and although he's a decent all-around player, I don't really see much that he does great. He could start a bit in the NFL but not for an extended period of time. Ian Johnson seems like a good guy and I guess #10 is fitting but I don't really see much out of him either.

I know you hate Derrick Williams but leaving him out of the top ten is kind of ridiculous from my perspective - I think he's a second-round prospect. How is Louis Murphy on there if Williams isn't? They're in a similar boat, I think, although Murphy doesn't have the versatility or potential of Williams and he's a Florida wide receiver, which really works against him. I mean, Murphy doesn't even have 70 career catches yet, and just 32 on the season. Seems kind of contradictory. Your tight end list is short, so I'll say this - kudos on Brandon Pettigrew.

I also like Phil Loadholt ranked pretty low, but I don't know if he's worse than Kropog or not since I don't really see Tulane play. I'm not sure I'd have Eugene Monroe over Oher, because Monroe seems so lazy whenever I watch him - he has talent but he seems to be kind of a Winston Justice in my opinion. I will say he does a nice job in pass protection when he feels like it. I might throw Jason Smith over him too.

Can't complain much about the defense except that you show Mike Mickens no love - I know he got hurt at the end of the year but take a look at how many plays he makes. He's also a big guy with good speed, so he's the total package. If he didn't get hurt, I think he stood an outside shot at being a first round pick. His height gives him a dimension that Macho Harris and Alphonso Smith don't really have. Also, could you tell me some more about Derrick Pegues?

Pokeys
12-02-2008, 11:16 PM
The Defensive Ends looks good to me.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 08:54 AM
I know you hate Derrick Williams but leaving him out of the top ten is kind of ridiculous from my perspective - I think he's a second-round prospect. How is Louis Murphy on there if Williams isn't? They're in a similar boat, I think, although Murphy doesn't have the versatility or potential of Williams and he's a Florida wide receiver, which really works against him. I mean, Murphy doesn't even have 70 career catches yet, and just 32 on the season. Seems kind of contradictory.

Maybe it's because Derrick Williams isn't good. Look at these numbers, and tell me who's better...

Option A: 32 catches, 525 yards, 16.41 ypc, 6 TD
Option B: 40 catches, 451 yards, 11.28 ypc, 3 TD

Option A: 37 catches, 548 yards, 14.81 ypc, 5 TD
Option B: 55 catches, 529 yards, 9.62 ypc, 3 TD

Let's get this through everyone's thick skulls....Derrick Williams is not good. He's not. He can't run a ******* route besides a go route. He's not a ******* deep threat, despite the fact that he could run a 4.3. His yards per catch average is terrible. If Derrick Williams was John Smith of Northwestern, 2* recruit coming out of high school, no one would give a flying **** about him. There is no way in ******* hell you can tell me that Derrick Williams is one of the 100 best players, let alone 64 (for a 2nd round grade) in this year's draft.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-03-2008, 09:29 AM
Personally Pettigrew is my #1 senior TE and there is no way I could ever put Travis Beckum over him, but I guess it depends on what you are looking for in your TE. Also I couldn't put Brooks Foster over Brandon Tate. Both are hurt, but Tate was much better and his potential is off the charts.

Matthew Jones
12-03-2008, 09:33 AM
Maybe it's because Derrick Williams isn't good. Look at these numbers, and tell me who's better...

Option A: 32 catches, 525 yards, 16.41 ypc, 6 TD
Option B: 40 catches, 451 yards, 11.28 ypc, 3 TD

Option A: 37 catches, 548 yards, 14.81 ypc, 5 TD
Option B: 55 catches, 529 yards, 9.62 ypc, 3 TD

Let's get this through everyone's thick skulls....Derrick Williams is not good. He's not. He can't run a ******* route besides a go route. He's not a ******* deep threat, despite the fact that he could run a 4.3. His yards per catch average is terrible. If Derrick Williams was John Smith of Northwestern, 2* recruit coming out of high school, no one would give a flying **** about him. There is no way in ******* hell you can tell me that Derrick Williams is one of the 100 best players, let alone 64 (for a 2nd round grade) in this year's draft.

The fact is that no big wideout with 4.3 speed is going to be a 2* recruit coming out of high school. That's ridiculous to assume. Williams is a tough runner with great speed and the ability to cut back across the field if needed. On a number of his plays, once he has the ball in his hands he can make people look absolutely silly out there. Take a look at his punt return vs. Clemson, where he caught a punt with a player charging full speed from five yards away and was able to spin away so quickly the player in pursuit fell right on his face.

You do know that Williams also can run the ball, don't you? You're just completely forgetting about his yards and touchdowns running the ball. Or how he picked on Vontae Davis all game. Williams has nine touchdowns this season, with more total yards than Murphy, even if you don't include returns. He can go out and make the acrobatic catch and he rarely drops anything. Williams plays in a spread offense where it's common that seven or eight players get touches - Murphy can't even take them without competition except from Percy Harvin.

Matthew Jones
12-03-2008, 09:35 AM
Personally Pettigrew is my #1 senior TE and there is no way I could ever put Travis Beckum over him, but I guess it depends on what you are looking for in your TE. Also I couldn't put Brooks Foster over Brandon Tate. Both are hurt, but Tate was much better and his potential is off the charts.

On a talent basis, there's no way Beckum is better than Pettigrew - I think the main concern with Brandon (at least for me) is that he's facing serious jail time after assaulting a police officer. In a league where players are now heavily penalized for any misconduct, even if he avoids prison, there's still a chance that he could go out and get in more trouble down the road, whereas with Beckum, you don't have those concerns.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 09:42 AM
The fact is that no big wideout with 4.3 speed is going to be a 2* recruit coming out of high school. That's ridiculous to assume. Williams is a tough runner with great speed and the ability to cut back across the field if needed. On a number of his plays, once he has the ball in his hands he can make people look absolutely silly out there. Take a look at his punt return vs. Clemson, where he caught a punt with a player charging full speed from five yards away and was able to spin away so quickly the player in pursuit fell right on his face.

When the **** did Penn State play Clemson?

You do know that Williams also can run the ball, don't you? You're just completely forgetting about his yards and touchdowns running the ball.

Right, because receivers always run the ball in the pros. That's going to work so well. Plus, there's a reason he gets carries and not receptions. Think about it for a second...

Or how he picked on Vontae Davis all game.

6 catches, 75 yards. Not exactly setting the world on fire, plus I doubt Davis was covering him the whole game. I would think they'd have Davis on good receivers.

Williams has nine touchdowns this season, with more total yards than Murphy

I would certainly hope so, with the way PSU force-feeds him the ball. Williams got 79 touches so far, with 39 being rushes. Murphy has a coach who spreads the touches out.

He can go out and make the acrobatic catch and he rarely drops anything.

Haha good one.

Williams plays in a spread offense

Whereas Murphy plays in a pro-style????

where it's common that seven or eight players get touches - Murphy can't even take them without competition except from Percy Harvin.

Do you not watch Florida? Have you not seen how they distribute the ball? 8 players have at least 10 catches, 8 players have at least 10 rushes.

Anyone who would take Derrick Williams in the first four rounds is a fool.

princefielder28
12-03-2008, 10:43 AM
On a talent basis, there's no way Beckum is better than Pettigrew - I think the main concern with Brandon (at least for me) is that he's facing serious jail time after assaulting a police officer. In a league where players are now heavily penalized for any misconduct, even if he avoids prison, there's still a chance that he could go out and get in more trouble down the road, whereas with Beckum, you don't have those concerns.

The legal concerns with Pettigrew are the reason why he is at #3 for me otherwise he'd be higher rated than Beckum.

thule
12-03-2008, 10:50 AM
Is this college rankings....or nfl prospect rankings?

princefielder28
12-03-2008, 11:07 AM
Rhett's pretty low - at least he should be above Painter/Harper. Aside from how much hype they had coming in I don't see how you could have him below those guys, really. Bomar doesn't have the accuracy you want at this point, but neither does Painter and Bomar at least makes some plays. Those other guys failed to impress me at all this year - I hear Painter did good against Indiana, but that's not saying a whole lot. Harper was the reason his teams lost a lot of the games they did - he got a great supporting cast and couldn't take care of the ball versus a good team. Could you go a little more in depth on why you think Harper/Painter are that good?

I still hold out hope that Cullen Harper can be a good player at the next level once he's healthy. The shoulder problem that he's encountered this season has to be contributing to his poor play, and I am reserved on putting him lower because of that. You do bring up a good point about having had a solid supporting cast and that very well may be the reason for his past success. As far as Curtis Painter compared to Bomar, Curtis has shown more ability at a higher level to distribute the football and that's why he gets the slight nod over Bomar at the moment. Come Senior Bowl time if Bomar shows off his athleticism and shows improvement due to having actual talent around him then he'll be moving up.

Also not sure how James Davis stayed in front of Javon Ringer in your rankings - Ringer competed for the rushing title this year and James Davis looked like a bum pretty much all season. His yards per carry has been on a sharp decline and although he's a decent all-around player, I don't really see much that he does great. He could start a bit in the NFL but not for an extended period of time. Ian Johnson seems like a good guy and I guess #10 is fitting but I don't really see much out of him either.

Javon Ringer was an absolute stud this year for Michigan State, but the punishment he took this year really worries me. He doesn't have outstanding speed and I see him being an average back in this league. James Davis, on the other hand, has a nice blend of size and speed, and I think he can be a very capable back in the passing game as well in the NFL. I think alot of Davis' problems have been a result of no help upfront from the O-Line. I know I didn't do alot of explaining here, but it's more of a feel thing for me between these two.

I know you hate Derrick Williams but leaving him out of the top ten is kind of ridiculous from my perspective - I think he's a second-round prospect. How is Louis Murphy on there if Williams isn't? They're in a similar boat, I think, although Murphy doesn't have the versatility or potential of Williams and he's a Florida wide receiver, which really works against him. I mean, Murphy doesn't even have 70 career catches yet, and just 32 on the season. Seems kind of contradictory. Your tight end list is short, so I'll say this - kudos on Brandon Pettigrew.

I was looking over my WR list this morning ,and after thinking about it, I didn't feel Louis Murphy was worthy of that eight spot. He is, like you mentioned, in the same boat as Derrick Williams; a boat that is almost guaranteed to sink. I don't feel that either one of these players bring the ability to be game changers in a team's passing attack in the NFL. Can Derrick Williams be useful on special teams? Probably but to think he'll be anymore than a slot, #3 receiver in the NFL is a bit much.

I also like Phil Loadholt ranked pretty low, but I don't know if he's worse than Kropog or not since I don't really see Tulane play. I'm not sure I'd have Eugene Monroe over Oher, because Monroe seems so lazy whenever I watch him - he has talent but he seems to be kind of a Winston Justice in my opinion. I will say he does a nice job in pass protection when he feels like it. I might throw Jason Smith over him too.

Can't complain much about the defense except that you show Mike Mickens no love - I know he got hurt at the end of the year but take a look at how many plays he makes. He's also a big guy with good speed, so he's the total package. If he didn't get hurt, I think he stood an outside shot at being a first round pick. His height gives him a dimension that Macho Harris and Alphonso Smith don't really have. Also, could you tell me some more about Derrick Pegues?

Pegues isn't the biggest guy, at just under six feet, but he possess very good speed and is a playmaker in the secondary. Last year's Liberty Bowl is when he caught my attention, and I've taken every opportunity to watch him this year when I can. He can also help in special teams early in his career.

Hope this helps

Matthew Jones
12-03-2008, 12:10 PM
When the **** did Penn State play Clemson?

Sorry, Temple.

Right, because receivers always run the ball in the pros. That's going to work so well. Plus, there's a reason he gets carries and not receptions. Think about it for a second...

Because they want to get him the ball and let him make a play on it? My point is that he can line up in different positions.

6 catches, 75 yards. Not exactly setting the world on fire, plus I doubt Davis was covering him the whole game. I would think they'd have Davis on good receivers.

Davis was on him for a majority of the game. I'd estimate 4 of those catches came against Davis, including the touchdown, where he burned him on a wheel route.

I would certainly hope so, with the way PSU force-feeds him the ball. Williams got 79 touches so far, with 39 being rushes. Murphy has a coach who spreads the touches out.

Or he just can't get open as often as Williams, even against teams' #2 cornerbacks.

By the way, that tone won't get you anywhere. :P

Hopefully this clears it up.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 12:14 PM
Or he just can't get open as often as Williams, even against teams' #2 cornerbacks.

And you can tell this from the one more reception that Williams has?

Matthew Jones
12-03-2008, 12:21 PM
And you can tell this from the one more reception that Williams has?

8 this year, 86 career.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 12:24 PM
8 this year, 86 career.

Yes, but Murphy has only started for two years. Should it be held against him that he went to a school that had WR talent when he got there?

Can you tell me why Derrick "Deep Threat Gamebreaker" Williams's career YPC resemble those of a backup tight end?

Turtlepower
12-03-2008, 12:27 PM
Yes, but Murphy has only started for two years. Should it be held against him that he went to a school that had WR talent when he got there?

Can you tell me why Derrick "Deep Threat Gamebreaker" Williams's career YPC resemble those of a backup tight end?

I will laugh when Derrick Williams has a good career. You sound like he should be an UDFA.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 12:29 PM
I will laugh when Derrick Williams has a good career. You sound like he should be an UDFA.

Considering he's only a kickoff returner, maybe he should be. If he was so good as a WR, he wouldn't be getting outperformed by his two other senior WR teammates, both of whom won't sniff the top four rounds. He has never done anything good as a WR.

Matthew Jones
12-03-2008, 12:35 PM
Yes, but Murphy has only started for two years. Should it be held against him that he went to a school that had WR talent when he got there?

You don't find it disturbing that he couldn't take playing time from a group of "talented" (read: failures in the NFL) wide receivers?

Can you tell me why Derrick "Deep Threat Gamebreaker" Williams's career YPC resemble those of a backup tight end?

Penn State throws him a lot of screen passes and as I demonstrated, he catches a lot of long passes. If you're going to go by YPC, Isaac Bruce is a better deep threat than the likes of Andre Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, and DeSean Jackson, and Malcolm Floyd is among the most deadly players in the league.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 12:41 PM
You don't find it disturbing that he couldn't take playing time from a group of "talented" (read: failures in the NFL) wide receivers?

No, because collegiate success and pro success don't always correlate.

Penn State throws him a lot of screen passes and as I demonstrated, he catches a lot of long passes. If you're going to go by YPC, Isaac Bruce is a better deep threat than the likes of Andre Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, and DeSean Jackson, and Malcolm Floyd is among the most deadly players in the league.

Of course YPC isn't the be all, end all. He had 3 plays of over 25 yards this year. My oh my, what a deep threat.

Just to compare that number, let's look at some elite receivers and their plays of 25+ this year.

Dez Bryant: 16
Jarrett Dillard: 15
Rejus Benn: 14
Jeremy Maclin: 13
Michael Crabtree: 10

Want more? Williams is tied for 22nd in the Big 10 alone for big plays (25+), and again, third on his team to Norwood and Butler's 6.

HawkeyeFan
12-03-2008, 12:44 PM
I like your rankings and assume you left Juniors out.


But ah, what are your thoughts on Mitch King from Iowa?

Matthew Jones
12-03-2008, 12:45 PM
No, because collegiate success and pro success don't always correlate.

I was trying not to bring this up, but shouldn't this probably show you that players who don't catch 100 passes a year can be good in the NFL?

The statistics aspect of this debate is kind of stupid - yards per catch and whatnot. That's like saying Chad Pennington throws a better deep ball than JaMarcus Russell, Peyton Manning, or Donovan McNabb based on his YPA.

princefielder28
12-03-2008, 12:47 PM
I like your rankings and assume you left Juniors out.


But ah, what are your thoughts on Mitch King from Iowa?

I would say Mitch is nothing more than a rotational DL who will be nice as a backup due to his toughness and desire, but I don't think he has the ability to be a starter in this league down the road.

Geo
12-03-2008, 12:47 PM
Disregard Sniper's laughable ignorance when it comes to Derrick Williams.

Oh hey zomg, Eddie Royal was the third leading receiver at Virginia Tech last year (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2007/Internet/ranking_summary/2007000000742recv.html), what a fraud and a bust and hate1 hate1 hate1. UDFA onlyzzz!

HawkeyeFan
12-03-2008, 12:51 PM
I would say Mitch is nothing more than a rotational DL who will be nice as a backup due to his toughness and desire, but I don't think he has the ability to be a starter in this league down the road.

Completely respect that.


Good rankings!

Sniper
12-03-2008, 01:04 PM
Disregard Sniper's laughable ignorance when it comes to Derrick Williams.

Oh hey zomg, Eddie Royal was the third leading receiver at Virginia Tech last year (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2007/Internet/ranking_summary/2007000000742recv.html), what a fraud and a bust and hate1 hate1 hate1. UDFA onlyzzz!

Yes, because Eddie Royal is clearly the rule. Eddie Royal also had a good YPC average, actually showed he could run good routes, actually had double digit touchdowns receiving in college etc...Eddie Royal actually made plays downfield, and Eddie Royal was a significantly better collegiate receiver than Derrick Williams is/was.

Eli Manning for 2nd best QB in the NFL!

Sniper
12-03-2008, 01:06 PM
Geo, I found it amusing how you ran away from the Williams vs. Harvin discussion we were having as soon as I posted the numbers comparing the two, which were definitely in Harvin's favor.

Must have "accidentally" forgot to go back to that thread.

Geo
12-03-2008, 01:09 PM
I have a need for common sense and understanding, so I would be doomed to never win an argument with you. Instead I opt to not waste my time, thanks.

Good for Harvin having better YPC. He plays with an infinitely better offensive mind, and has much better QB play throughout his time at Florida. He also plays in another conference with different offensive dynamics than Williams at Penn State.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 01:11 PM
I have a need for common sense and understanding, so I'm doomed to lose an argument with you. I'm not going to waste my time, thanks.

Common sense would dictate to you that Percy Harvin is a superior player than Derrick Williams. Understanding would tell you that Eli Manning isn't the second best QB in the NFL.

I can see how you'd have so little time to defend yourself in an argument when you're busy making ludicrous statements by the dozen.

Pokeys
12-03-2008, 01:12 PM
Harvin is a much better player than Derrick Williams I don't think many would disagree.

Geo
12-03-2008, 01:12 PM
Common sense would dictate to you that Percy Harvin is a superior player than Derrick Williams.
College player? Probably, although at least Williams can stay healthy.

Pro player? No way in hell in my book, you use your first round pick on Harvin and I'll rather take my chances on Williams in the 2nd round. At least the latter busting as a starting receiver isn't as bad as the former.

I know Williams can be a return man and a depth receiver. Harvin is what, an overglorified third down back? Who might not pass protect? Cripes, and people call Reggie Bush a bust.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 01:14 PM
College player? Probably, although at least Williams can stay healthy.

Pro player? No way in hell in my book, you use your first round pick on Harvin and I'll take my chances on Williams in the 2nd round.

What does it say about Williams that Harvin plays at 75% health and still blows him out of the water?

Zyro_1014
12-03-2008, 01:14 PM
Well done, my compadre in Derrick Williams hate! Thanks for not putting that POS in there!

Also, no Hakeem Nicks in your WR rankings???? What's up with that?

i feel bad sniper....i drafted Derrick Williams in the first round of my madden franchise! :(

Geo
12-03-2008, 01:17 PM
What does it say about Williams that Harvin plays at 75% health and still blows him out of the water?

Good for Harvin having better YPC. He plays with an infinitely better offensive mind, and has much better QB play throughout his time at Florida. He also plays in another conference with different offensive dynamics than Williams at Penn State.
Again, situation.

And that is something that can easily be reversed when these guys go to the pros.

DiG
12-03-2008, 01:19 PM
What round do you see these guys going:

4. Jeremiah Johnson | Oregon
5. Rashad Jennings | Liberty
6. Arian Foster | Tennessee
7. Cedric Peerman | Virginia
8. Andre Brown | North Carolina State

princefielder28
12-03-2008, 01:28 PM
What round do you see these guys going:

4. Jeremiah Johnson | Oregon ::3rd round
5. Rashad Jennings | Liberty :: early 3rd round
6. Arian Foster | Tennessee :: early 4th round
7. Cedric Peerman | Virginia :: 4th round
8. Andre Brown | North Carolina State :: 5th round

Answers bolded

Although I have Jennings rated lower than Johnson I believe he has the potential, based off workouts, to work his way into round 2.

Sniper
12-03-2008, 01:36 PM
Good for Harvin having better YPC. He plays with an infinitely better offensive mind, and has much better QB play throughout his time at Florida. He also plays in another conference with different offensive dynamics than Williams at Penn State.

If that were the only case, Deon Butler and Jordan Norwood would also have similar crappy YPC numbers. Both of them also wouldn't have twice as many (this season anyway) explosive plays as Williams.

princefielder28
12-04-2008, 10:28 AM
If that were the only case, Deon Butler and Jordan Norwood would also have similar crappy YPC numbers. Both of them also wouldn't have twice as many (this season anyway) explosive plays as Williams.

Deon Butler will be the best pro of the bunch