Week 14 Discussion Thread

[Hines]

Big game for Pittsburgh this week. Must win for Dallas IMO. I think we shut them down and take TO and co. out of their games.

Should be a good one.

Another good game looks to be Baltimore and Washington.

[zCaddyz]

Cant wait for monday night, very big game for the bucs! i use to get worried when we played them but i trust in garica too get us the w.

[bored of education]

Chiefs v. Broncos!!! Who wins this test of greatness!!

[Sniper]

Eagles vs. Giants this week. Should be a doozy.

[Me Likey Rookies]

So excited for Bucs Panthers. I think Bucs have the better defense, they just need the o-line and running game to show up like last time. Also some better play calling from Gruden would be nice, last week he had way too many shotgun formations on 2nd and 6 and 3rd and 2. Run the ball!

Cowboys Steelers is a great matchup but I think DAL is going to have way more urgency in this one. PIT just needs to beat BAL once more to win the division (though that is going to be a lot harder this time around), but DAL is fighting for their playoff lives so they have way more on the line.

Eagles Giants could be good but I dont buy into McNabb's great game from last week. ARI defense isnt very good. Giants handled them at philly and should do the same again.

Ravens Redskins does not look very good now that WAS is in a free fall. They desperately need this game, but remember what happened to WAS when they played the Steelers? I think we might see that again.

[MetSox17]

Who wants a sig bet on the Pitt/Dallas game?

[BamaFalcon59]

If the Falcons beat the Saints we are almost guarenteed 10 wins with a game against the Rams in week 17, the 16th and final game of the season.

That should go a long way towards guarenteeing a playoff spot.

We also play the Vikings in like week 16, game 15, and they should be without Kevin Williams and Pat Williams (no relation).

The Buccaneers next week I believe.

We, the Falcons, have an excellent shot at the playoffs if we win tomarrow.

[BamaFalcon59]

Who wants a sig bet on the Pitt/Dallas game?

Me.

If I win the sig says 'Just another reason we aren't making the playoffs...and the Falcons are."

But I don't make signatures.

[giantsfan]

Who wants a sig bet on the Pitt/Dallas game?

Just win or lose or are we betting the line? I think you guys get in at 10-6 but I see PItt winning to keep one game ahead of baltimore and possible us beating you as well depending on who's healthy that week for us.

[SuperMcgee]

It's possible that Whitner and Schobel play this week. Would be something. Definitely expect Whitner.
But it's also possible that JP Losman does, as well. Sorry, Canada.

NFC South games this week should be fantastic, I hope I get to see the Saints-Falcons game. The rare 4 o'clock Bills game means I won't be seeing Dallas-Pittsburgh, unfortunately. Ah well. Back to the winning ways, regardless of foreign countries and JP's take on the neckbeard.

[scottyboy]

Eagles vs. Giants this week. Should be a doozy.

too bad the announcers are gonna talk about Plaxico the whole game which will take away from some good ol' NFC east smashmouth football!

[giantsfan]

It's possible that Whitner and Schobel play this week. Would be something. Definitely expect Whitner.
But it's also possible that JP Losman does, as well. Sorry, Canada.

NFC South games this week should be fantastic, I hope I get to see the Saints-Falcons game. The rare 4 o'clock Bills game means I won't be seeing Dallas-Pittsburgh, unfortunately. Ah well. Back to the winning ways, regardless of foreign countries and JP's take on the neckbeard.

I would love to see Grossman vs JP in Canada. We could potential see the single game INT record doubled.

[MetSox17]

Me.

If I win the sig says 'Just another reason we aren't making the playoffs...and the Falcons are."

But I don't make signatures.

Alright. If one of the Steelers homers (i'm looking at you stiller) doesn't step up, then we'll do it.

Yours will say something about Matt Ryan and Bobby Petrino. lol

[Hines]

Alright. If one of the Steelers homers (i'm looking at you stiller) doesn't step up, then we'll do it.

Yours will say something about Matt Ryan and Bobby Petrino. lol

Am I a homer?

[steelersfan43]

Who wants a sig bet on the Pitt/Dallas game?
Ill do it just for fun.

[UK_Cheesehead]

Packers vs. Texans, massive game, if we lose this it really is all over. I expect a win though.

[Sniper]

too bad the announcers are gonna talk about Plaxico the whole game which will take away from some good ol' NFC east smashmouth football!

Did something happen to Plaxico? It hasn't been in the news at all.












:D

[Jughead10]

Eagles vs. Giants this week. Should be a doozy.

They are pretty much done anyway. But there will be nothing more satisfying than ending the Eagles season. Not one group of players or fans I hate more.

[MetSox17]

Am I a homer?

From what i have seen, no, you're not. At least not on the levels that some of your fellow Steelers fans are. The reason i would prefer to do one with them is cause i know their insides would twist if they had to use a sig saying something remotely negative about James Harrisonz or Roethlisbergeerrzzzzz.

[Hines]

From what i have seen, no, you're not. At least not on the levels that some of your fellow Steelers fans are. The reason i would prefer to do one with them is cause i know their insides would twist if they had to use a sig saying something remotely negative about James Harrisonz or Roethlisbergeerrzzzzz.

So if I were to agree on the sig bet, you wouldnt do it with me?

[Sniper]

From what i have seen, no, you're not. At least not on the levels that some of your fellow Steelers fans are. The reason i would prefer to do one with them is cause i know their insides would twist if they had to use a sig saying something remotely negative about James Harrisonz or Roethlisbergeerrzzzzz.

If the Cowboys win and you say anything bad about LaMarr Woodley, I will hurt you.

[tjsunstein]

Who's ready for another stellar Thursday night matchup??

[MetSox17]

So if I were to agree on the sig bet, you wouldnt do it with me?

Okay, maybe. Just cause you're Hines!

[Hines]

Weather forecasts for the Cowboys vs. Steelers game in Pittsburgh this Sunday call for a high of 31 degrees with snow and wind.

The Cowboys' aerial attack could be slowed but Marion Barber might deserve an upgrade. The Heinz Field playing surface is going to be even rougher than usual.




FWIW

[giantsfan]

With weather like that I'm really liking the steelers. That defense was able to slow our running game, poor marion barber isn't going to see anything except for white and steelers flying out of the whiteness to hit him the 8 times a game Garrett decides to run the ball.

[tjsunstein]

Weather plays to the Steelers advantage. Get ready for a T.O. outburst.. of emotion. I'm calling it.

[MetSox17]

I don't think the weather is gonna affect us as much as you all are making it out to be. Yeah, it'll be tougher to throw the ball, but i think that's where our humongous offensive line can go to work. I don't expect any 50 yard bombs, but i would not be surprised with 24 points going up on the board in favor of Dallas. It's gonna be a great game, we're playing well right now and so are the Steelers. No better way to judge how your team is doing than against top notch competition.

[21ST]

If the Falcons beat the Saints we are almost guarenteed 10 wins with a game against the Rams in week 17, the 16th and final game of the season.

That should go a long way towards guarenteeing a playoff spot.

We also play the Vikings in like week 16, game 15, and they should be without Kevin Williams and Pat Williams (no relation).

The Buccaneers next week I believe.

We, the Falcons, have an excellent shot at the playoffs if we win tomarrow.

Your probly going to have to win eleven to make it

[49ersfan_87]

Brett Favre comes into town to play the 49ers. He's 11-1 against them but of course that was all with the Packers.

I hope this is the last time the 49ers ever play him, he's a niner killer.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Your probly going to have to win eleven to make it
wildcard??

[D-Rod]

I actually agree, at least one 10-6 team is going to miss out in the NFC. Hopefully it won't be the Falcons. Can't be bothered to work out how all the tiebreakers are looking at the moment because it will all change by the end of the season. But only 11-5 is safe.

[Sniper]

I actually agree, at least one 10-6 team is going to miss out in the NFC. Hopefully it won't be the Falcons. Can't be bothered to work out how all the tiebreakers are looking at the moment because it will all change by the end of the season. But only 11-5 is safe.

What about 10-5-1? :D

[Gay Ork Wang]

I actually agree, at least one 10-6 team is going to miss out in the NFC. Hopefully it won't be the Falcons. Can't be bothered to work out how all the tiebreakers are looking at the moment because it will all change by the end of the season. But only 11-5 is safe.
So u guys think Tampa, Carolina, Falcons and the Cowboys gonna be 10-6?

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

I think the Steelers vs. Cowboys game will bo one of the greatest games of the season, aside from the Beltway Battle: Baltimore Ravens vs. Washington Redskins. I think this is the match I'm most looking forward to. A very dangerous offense with 2 pro bowl WR's, a Pro Bowl QB, and a Pro Bowl RB who need to lead there team to the playoffs against the number 1 defense in the league. Should be a GREAT game. Cant wait to see it. Also can't wait for Bmore vs. Washington. :)

[Xonraider]

Certainly one interesting matchup tonight :D

[Gay Ork Wang]

u fail miserably

[Xonraider]

sorry i'm a ****** read week 13 on the sticky i suck punch me on the balls and kill me with a poisonous kiss

[Turtlepower]

http://samuelpablo.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/epic_fail.jpg

[Xonraider]

http://samuelpablo.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/epic_fail.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/fragizzle72/racist.jpg

funny, while looking for the ''thats racist'' image on google I found that exact Homer S. one

[Gay Ork Wang]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3313/1199252262731ei1.jpg

okay sorry thats the last post

[CashmoneyDrew]

This is truly one great epic fail. I love it.

[RaiderNation]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/digitalforest/Funny/Epic_Fail.jpg

[tjsunstein]

As soon as I saw the thread title, I thought to myself what has already been said. Epic Fail.



Sorry I had to add one more..

[bigbluedefense]

Zach Miller is a boss. He's a great player stuck on a bad team. The guy is always open. The problem is he has to stay in and block 70% of the time and the times he is open, a lot of times he has to make an acrobatic catch.

[bigbluedefense]

damn i just pwned myself.

*copies and pastes into other thread*

[bigbluedefense]

Zach Miller is a boss. He's a great player stuck on a bad team. The guy is always open. The problem is he has to stay in and block 70% of the time and the times he is open, a lot of times he has to make an acrobatic catch.

[RaiderNation]

Zach Miller is a boss. He's a great player stuck on a bad team. The guy is always open. The problem is he has to stay in and block 70% of the time and the times he is open, a lot of times he has to make an acrobatic catch.

Thanks for noticing. I agree with you 100%. If we can get a good LT and a decent WR, I think Miller will have a pro bowl season possibly next year. Im pretty sure Russell throw to Miller 50% of the times he passes. Miller doesnt have the elite speed for a TE, but he can block, run routes and has good hands. He reminds me of Todd Heap and Heath Miller.

[CashmoneyDrew]

damn i just pwned myself.

*copies and pastes into other thread*

An epic fail inside of an epic fail. I think the universe just swallowed itself.

[Gay Ork Wang]

we need to make this the real thread!

[jkpigskin]

i guess since i havent been on the board for a while, i dont know wat the consensus is about the play of darren mcfadden, but i have been very disapointed... even in his good games...

he goes down after the initial hit... i swear i was watching a highlight from one of his big games against KC and he did not break a single tackle... and he got caught from behind by bernard pollard.... honestly, i feel like he is a better athlete than he is a football player...

hey who knows, he could come and prove me wrong the rest of his career, but i havent seen anything to praise about mcfadden

[bernbabybern820]

I like how our free safety never ever ever arrives on time to help. They are basically useless.

[bernbabybern820]

i guess since i havent been on the board for a while, i dont know wat the consensus is about the play of darren mcfadden, but i have been very disapointed... even in his good games...

he goes down after the initial hit... i swear i was watching a highlight from one of his big games against KC and he did not break a single tackle... and he got caught from behind by bernard pollard.... honestly, i feel like he is a better athlete than he is a football player...

hey who knows, he could come and prove me wrong the rest of his career, but i havent seen anything to praise about mcfadden

It looks like he needs to gain a good 10-20 pounds and is not very good at shaking a defender one on one in the open field. I doubt he would have gotten caught by Pollard if he hadn't injured his toe (turf toe) on a previous play.

[d34ng3l021]

Mike Mayock is one of the smartest analysts on NFL.com or ESPN or SI I think. I love hearing this guy talk about anyone.

[RaiderNation]

Epic Failure by Oakland

[d34ng3l021]

Epic Failure by Oakland

For sure. Russell's pocket presence is abysmal and it doesnt help that their line is terrible as well.

Oh btw. Jacob Hester is a TERRIBLE FB. Maybe hes still learning the position, but he is really bad right now. Thats a huge huge reason for LT's lack of success.

[Geo]

LDT with 7 rushes so far. Way to prove a point when the team is already 4-8, Norv.

Btw, I noticed today (per Rotoworld) that Tomlinson has two crazy base salaries in his last two years of his current deal.

'09- 6.75M
'10- 8M
'11- 9.25M

I now buy the whispers that the Chargers could think of trading him, maybe moreso next offseason, even though LDT is a Hall of Famer.

[Hines]

Could we see another 99 yard td?

[Hines]

Jets DE Shaun Ellis was arrested for marijuana possession just minutes from the team's practice facility last week after a traffic stop.

Ellis was also cited for driving without insurance and speeding. The Jets' defensive co-captain was allegedly "uncooperative" with police before being taken into custody. He could avoid a 2008 suspension because it's so late in the season, but the NFL is certain to look into the matter. Ellis has 6.5 sacks, 34 tackles (23 solo), and a forced fumble through 12 games.

[Geo]

Way to go, J-E-T-S.

[bantx]

screw u nfl network :[

[Hines]

Darren Sproles is a little quick, aggitating little ******. I would hate to try and tackle him.

[d34ng3l021]

Watch it online. They don't have all the plays, but the other times you get to hear Mayock :)

My God the Raiders are terrible. A well coached, top ranked, college team can beat them. Their issue is not talent. Its terrible terrible coaching.

[bernbabybern820]

Watch it online. They don't have all the plays, but the other times you get to hear Mayock :)

My God the Raiders are terrible. A well coached, top ranked, college team can beat them. Their issue is not talent. Its terrible terrible coaching.

lulz i cant believe we beat the Broncos and Jets.

[d34ng3l021]

lulz i cant believe we beat the Broncos and Jets.

lulz yea. any given sunday i guess.

LOL Harris talking trash to Phillips?

[giantsfan]

Jets DE Shaun Ellis was arrested for marijuana possession just minutes from the team's practice facility last week after a traffic stop.

Ellis was also cited for driving without insurance and speeding. The Jets' defensive co-captain was allegedly "uncooperative" with police before being taken into custody. He could avoid a 2008 suspension because it's so late in the season, but the NFL is certain to look into the matter. Ellis has 6.5 sacks, 34 tackles (23 solo), and a forced fumble through 12 games.

Seriously, I bet if he had insurancy the cops wouldn't have found his bag and he'd have gotten a warning, i hope other NFL players learn that driving without insurance when you can afford it will get you screwed by 5-O

[bored of education]

wait..there is a game tonight???

[giantsfan]

wait..there is a game tonight???

sort of, it's the raiders.

[Hines]

If the Raiders didnt suck major balls, I would rank Johnnie Lee Higgins as one of the top deep threats in the league. I personally think he is above Zach Miller or a little below him on best players on that offense. McFadden number 3, Fargas number 4.

[giantsfan]

If the Raiders didnt suck major balls, I would rank Johnnie Lee Higgins as one of the top deep threats in the league. I personally think he is above Zach Miller or a little below him on best players on that offense. McFadden number 3, Fargas number 4.

I pray they grab a top LT, in this draft, there'll be one available I just hope they nab him. That and a big receiver on the outside and they would actually be able to play offense.

[bantx]

Rivers 4/6 130 yds 2 tds

LOL

[NIN1984]

Every time the Raiders are on primetime we get crushed. BAD

[locseti]

Nice tackle Wade.

[Hines]

Cooper with his second pick. He latteraled it back to Cro who almost took it.

[Sniper]

Remember that time when Al Davis called JaMarcus Russell a great player?

Good times.

[Hines]

Ian Scott tattooed Zach Miller and Miller was down for a bit.

[Jvig43]

If i were a raiders fan, Id be down at Al davis house with a loaded gun. Good god do the raiders suck.

[locseti]

JaMarcus carted off the field with a heavy limp

[SuperKevin]

I didn't know Justin Miller was on the Raiders. I guess the Raiders officially have one player that I like

[Kurve]

How in the hell can a player that has such a lack of focus in life graduate from a school like Stanford? Kwame Harris YOU SUCK!

[Geo]

Pretty bush by NFLN to get Marty Schottenheimer on a phone interview but only ring him up to talk about him getting fired by the Chargers. But at least talk with the guy on other things. Ask him about LDT or Merriman or the Raiders or other teams in the league. Come on, not to mention this all happened a year-and-a-half ago. Stupid move by NFLN imo.

The only relevant thing of interest in the whole thing was Marty saying he's not really looking to get back into coaching (at this time).

[Geo]

Sad that the Raiders couldn't see the Sproles screen play coming.

[DiG]

damnit sproles stop taking screens and tds from LT!!!

[d34ng3l021]

Am I the only one who thinks that despite his amazing QB rating and tons of TD passes, River's is only average this year?

[Sniper]

Am I the only one who thinks that despite his amazing QB rating and tons of TD passes, River's is only average this year?

Damn you and your random apostrophes!

I like Rivers a whole lot more than most, so my opinion would be biased. But I think he's gotten a lot better as a QB.

[619]

Talk about an ass whoopin' ...

And the TD is coming back.

[d34ng3l021]

Damn you and your random apostrophes!

I like Rivers a whole lot more than most, so my opinion would be biased. But I think he's gotten a lot better as a QB.

Oh ****. My bad. I am usually good about these things :(

He was very unimpressive against the Falcons. I know its one game, but eh. His pocket presence is not outstanding (might be barely average) and he seems to hold onto the ball for a tiny bit longer then he should (in my opinion).

[CC.SD]

Am I the only one who thinks that despite his amazing QB rating and tons of TD passes, River's is only average this year?

He didn't play well against the Falcons, or a few teams really in this past stretch. But overall he's done a great job slinging it this season.

Whenever he has time he can get in the zone. Our line has been collapsing like crazy this season though. His release is actually pretty darn quick, but he's not getting a lot of time in the pocket.

[619]

Rivers has really only had two poor games this season, week 4 @ OAK and more recently week 11 @ PIT.

[locseti]

Rivers has really only had two poor games this season, week 4 @ OAK and more recently week 11 @ PIT.

He was dreadful against Miami as well.

[CC.SD]

He was dreadful against Miami as well.

Roth and Porter destroyed us that game though, it was almost comical.

[Xenos]

Am I the only one who thinks that despite his amazing QB rating and tons of TD passes, River's is only average this year?

That's because he's not playing injured this year. You break his legs, and he'll be great again.

All morbid kidding aside, it seems that way because he's not as clutch as he was in previous years. I miss his fourth quarter comebacks. He was amazing in 2006 and at the end of the stretch in 2007.

[bantx]

Am I the only one who thinks that despite his amazing QB rating and tons of TD passes, River's is only average this year?

Yes, yes you are.

[d34ng3l021]

Okay. I change my statement from him being average to him being good, not great, as his 102 QB rating might suggest. If I see a 102 QB rating, I am expecting the QBs to making pin point passes, overcoming other difficulties to make plays. I think Rivers benefits a lot from athletic play by his WRs and TEs.

Maybe I am just putting too much into the Atlanta game. I expected him to do well, but his pocket presence and accuracy were very sub par. I had thought of him as an MVP candidate early in the season (if the Chargers picked it up) and I guess I was left disappointed.

[SuperKevin]

Okay. I change my statement from him being average to him being good, not great, as his 102 QB rating might suggest. If I see a 102 QB rating, I am expecting the QBs to making pin point passes, overcoming other difficulties to make plays. I think Rivers benefits a lot from athletic play by his WRs and TEs.

Maybe I am just putting too much into the Atlanta game. I expected him to do well, but his pocket presence and accuracy were very sub par. I had thought of him as an MVP candidate early in the season (if the Chargers picked it up) and I guess I was left disappointed.

Remember he's doing this without a true #1 target at WR. Essentially Chris Chambers, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, and Buster Davis are all #2 WRs at best. That's why I think the Chargers should make a run at trading for Chad Ocho Cinco. That offense is a blue collar lunch pail offense and adding a colorful productive #1 threat like Ocho Cinco would do wonders for the fan base. Guys like Tomlinson would be able to keep him under control in the locker room as well.

[Xenos]

Okay. I change my statement from him being average to him being good, not great, as his 102 QB rating might suggest. If I see a 102 QB rating, I am expecting the QBs to making pin point passes, overcoming other difficulties to make plays. I think Rivers benefits a lot from athletic play by his WRs and TEs.

Maybe I am just putting too much into the Atlanta game. I expected him to do well, but his pocket presence and accuracy were very sub par. I had thought of him as an MVP candidate early in the season (if the Chargers picked it up) and I guess I was left disappointed.
What can I say except that it sucks when you don't have a running game. The oline hasn't been great since 2006. Even last year was disappointing. The pass protection in that game was also suspect especially seeing some of LT's failed efforts to chip a guy on some key passing plays.

Even without a running game, Rivers had been keeping us in a lot of the games this year. Heck, we would have won more games if it wasn't for the defense ie. Carolina and Denver.

Edit: I would also like to add that the biggest knock that I have against Rivers is that he can't throw an out with any real velocity at all. Hopefully, he can improve on this aspect like he did with his pocket presence.

[tjsunstein]

The only thing this game was good for was winning money on the Chargers -9. The first half was laughable and the second half was snoozable

[Xenos]

Remember he's doing this without a true #1 target at WR. Essentially Chris Chambers, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, and Buster Davis are all #2 WRs at best. That's why I think the Chargers should make a run at trading for Chad Ocho Cinco. That offense is a blue collar lunch pail offense and adding a colorful productive #1 threat like Ocho Cinco would do wonders for the fan base. Guys like Tomlinson would be able to keep him under control in the locker room as well.
If we're getting a Bengal, it would probably be TJ.

[SuperKevin]

The only thing this game was good for was winning money on the Chargers -9. The first half was laughable and the second half was snoozable

The Chargers went very vanilla on offense in the second half to avoid injuries to their star players. They didn't bring in the subs because the starters need the confidence boost and momentum going into next week but they weren't going to put them in harms way

[SuperKevin]

If we're getting a Bengal, it would probably be TJ.

I think Ocho Cinco would do wonders for the fickle fan base that has trouble truly rallying behind their players. Ocho Cinco is at the very worst entertaining and will keep the team in conversation. You don't know how angry it makes me to live in San Diego and listen to these fans call into local radio shows blasting LT for being "old" because he's not running for 1500 yards and 25 TDs

[d34ng3l021]

Remember he's doing this without a true #1 target at WR. Essentially Chris Chambers, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, and Buster Davis are all #2 WRs at best. That's why I think the Chargers should make a run at trading for Chad Ocho Cinco. That offense is a blue collar lunch pail offense and adding a colorful productive #1 threat like Ocho Cinco would do wonders for the fan base. Guys like Tomlinson would be able to keep him under control in the locker room as well.

Yeah. I am probably putting too much stock in the Falcons game. Though I do like Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd. They may be bad in some areas, but they make it up for the some great grabs.

[SuperKevin]

Yeah. I am probably putting too much stock in the Falcons game. Though I do like Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd. They may be bad in some areas, but they make it up for the some great grabs.

I agree. I love Malcolm Floyd. There was a 3 game stretch where every time the Chargers needed a big play they went to Malcolm Floyd.

[d34ng3l021]

I agree. I love Malcolm Floyd. There was a 3 game stretch where every time the Chargers needed a big play they went to Malcolm Floyd.

As a Vincent Jackson fantasy owner, I know :(

[CC.SD]

Yeah. I am probably putting too much stock in the Falcons game. Though I do like Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd. They may be bad in some areas, but they make it up for the some great grabs.

Rivers has days where he is ridiculously on the money; he is not the most consistent QB but usually plays very sharp.

Ocho Cinco? Lawlz. With Floyd and Jackson both showing they can be big time, and Chambers, Gates and LT (and Sproles. Hester looks nice too. don't forget Naanee...) all deserving of their touches as well, we don't need more offensive skill position players. They do need a serious boost on the O-line, there is defensive penetration all over the place.

[bantx]

You think we can be productive with no real #1 target at WR? We need that wr that defenses plan their game around to keep under control. With Chambers as our #1 we have mediocre starters. I have to agree with SK because Ive been looking into that Ocho Cinco to the chargers ever since i heard he wanted to be traded, we have too many leaders on our team to let a guy like 85 get out of line.

[d34ng3l021]

Jacob Hester is a terrible FB. He is half the reason LT is sucking this year.

[SuperKevin]

Jacob Hester is a terrible FB. He is half the reason LT is sucking this year.

Except that Hester has only played FB in the last two games. Mike Tolbert was the starter for most of the season

[bernbabybern820]

You think we can be productive with no real #1 target at WR? We need that wr that defenses plan their game around to keep under control. With Chambers as our #1 we have mediocre starters. I have to agree with SK because Ive been looking into that Ocho Cinco to the chargers ever since i heard he wanted to be traded, we have too many leaders on our team to let a guy like 85 get out of line.

You don't think Vincent Jackson can develop into a nice #1 receiver for you guys?

[SuperKevin]

You don't think Vincent Jackson can develop into a nice #1 receiver for you guys?

Vincent Jackson's too inconsistent to ever really be a #1. He disappears for stretches at a time. He's a real good #2 though. Like I said before the Chargers WR corps is filled with #2 WRs with Chambers and Jackson being top tier #2s and Floys and Davis having potential to be good #2s. They really need that one guy who commands a double team on every possession.

[CC.SD]

Jacob Hester is a terrible FB. He is half the reason LT is sucking this year.

Hester has barely seen the field this year. His only real play time has come last night and the week before, and he showed he can contribute.

Considering how awful we've been on third down, I can see a receiving fullback coming in handy.

I don't really agree with the notion that we have a bunch of number 2 guys--I think when this offense is running like it's supposed to, the number 1 is Gates, the other guys are legit downfield threats, and the main engine is unleashing LT. That's not how we've looked this year for the most part, but we've got the personnel at the skill positions.

I'd much rather spend money on fixing our D and O-line than bringing in a joker like Chad Johnson.

[Xenos]

Hester has barely seen the field this year. His only real play time has come last night and the week before, and he showed he can contribute.

Considering how awful we've been on third down, I can see a receiving fullback coming in handy.

I don't really agree with the notion that we have a bunch of number 2 guys--I think when this offense is running like it's supposed to, the number 1 is Gates, the other guys are legit downfield threats, and the main engine is unleashing LT. That's not how we've looked this year for the most part, but we've got the personnel at the skill positions.

I'd much rather spend money on fixing our D and O-line than bringing in a joker like Chad Johnson.
I agree with this now that I think about it. We need two dlineman (one to replace Igor) and another to eventually replace Jamal, and at least another olineman to replace Goff. We need a running game to take the pressure off of Rivers. In other words, we need some beef on the lines.

Additionally, it's hard to make the type of deep throws that Norv wants when the line can't hold up during 5 or 7 step drops.

[Xenos]

Yeah. I am probably putting too much stock in the Falcons game. Though I do like Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd. They may be bad in some areas, but they make it up for the some great grabs.
They can make great acrobatic catches, but they can't consistently get separation. The downside of having the height advantage over corners. VJ and Floyd are improving though, and I don't think we need a number 1 necessarily to do well. It all comes down to the beef up front. The NYG have shown how invaluable that is.

[bored of education]

I am calling it now

Chiefs 34
Broncos 29

WOOT WOOT!

T Thig 21-30 275 3 TDS!

**wakes up***

[Xenos]

I am calling it now

Chiefs 34
Broncos 29

WOOT WOOT!

T Thig 21-30 275 3 TDS!

**wakes up***
Hey, it can happen. Denver's been inconsistent as well. I just have to hope for a gigantic collapse like the one similar to the first meeting between you two, and then there's the fact that Denver did lose to Oakland for some reason.

[CC.SD]

I am calling it now

Chiefs 34
Broncos 29

WOOT WOOT!

T Thig 21-30 275 3 TDS!

**wakes up***

Hey, don't wake up, it already happened once this season. Chiefs or Bills take advantage of Denver's D, then just maybe Carolina can deliver a miracle to the Bolts and make the season finale showdown mean something. Is that so inconceivable?

**wakes up**

[bantx]

VJax is great at times, but he isnt that explosive #1 WR that i want on this team. Having a TE as our #1 im not big on because Rivers is developing into a great QB and I want him to have that Legit #1 that he can rely on.

Thats why i said WR in the FA

But draft the other needs

OG/T (clary)
ILB
S
DT/DE

[CC.SD]

VJax is great at times, but he isnt that explosive #1 WR that i want on this team. Having a TE as our #1 im not big on because Rivers is developing into a great QB and I want him to have that Legit #1 that he can rely on.

Thats why i said WR in the FA

But draft the other needs

OG/T (clary)
ILB
S
DT/DE

I think Floyd finally (FINALLY) developing will be enough of an added ooomph at WR for us; I'm high on Legedu Naanee as well and don't think the coaching staff will give up on Buster Davis quiiiiite yet.

Although I'd like to see a Buster Davis for Michael Bush swap, I think that'd fill a hole for both squads, as much as dealing with the Raiders bothers me.

I know I'm harping on this, but Rivers is just not getting enough time to go through his reads; when he does get time he performs off the charts. O-line>WR this offseason by far.

Jackson, as much as I hate to say it, is STILL developing. He's finally started using his arms this year and lord knows he's big and fast enough to be a number 1. btw, when did his numbers get so good? 44 receptions for 851 yards and 6 tds, with 19.3 per catch.

Pretty nice for a guy who's dropped in and out of the offense quite a bit. He'll be our first 1,000 yard receiver since...since...Tony Martin? If that's right, we suck. It may go back even further, I know Boston didn't do it. Gates did as a TE I guess.

[d34ng3l021]

Hester has only started for 2 games? I see I got my facts wrong then.

He is still a pretty bad blocking FB though. I do not see why the Chargers need a receiving FB with LT/Sproles and Gates.

[CC.SD]

Hester has only started for 2 games? I see I got my facts wrong then.

He is still a pretty bad blocking FB though. I do not see why the Chargers need a receiving FB with LT/Sproles and Gates.

Well he made at least one key block last night, on the goal line, which means he's up on Mike Tolbert by an infinite margin. And he's got some soft hands.

But yah I'm not a huge fan of the pick, essentially we gave up a 2nd for him. So if he be a tricky, forgotten option on third downs, I'll take it for now.

Your AVI is hilarious, btw.

[jkpigskin]

i really like Malcolm Floyd... but im disappointed that chambers and buster davis hasnt made more contribution... whats been wrong with chambers? injured? or just underperforming>

[Xenos]

i really like Malcolm Floyd... but im disappointed that chambers and buster davis hasnt made more contribution... whats been wrong with chambers? injured? or just underperforming>
Chambers got injured in the Dolphins game, and Malcolm Floyd actually took over his spot while he recovered. He's suppose to be completely healed but he has disappeared. I suspect the biggest reason for his disappearance is that the running game has been nonexistent and that a lot of time is devoted to coverage. We're too one dimensional this year.

[CC.SD]

i really like Malcolm Floyd... but im disappointed that chambers and buster davis hasnt made more contribution... whats been wrong with chambers? injured? or just underperforming>

We've been rotating receivers a lot and Chambers hasn't gotten many looks. I suspect his ankle is still bothering him quite a bit, he was running like the wind early in the season, no problems getting behind a defense, and now he's invisible.

[dc22]

looks like woodson is starting at safety for the packers

[Smooth Criminal]

Barber didnt travel to Pittsburgh. Choice will be starting.

I'm still worried about Romo.

[tjsunstein]

looks like woodson is starting at safety for the packers

Yeah, second week in a row. Last week he played fairly well considering the switch but he made a couple mistakes just from the mindset of being a corner first. He didnt cover well over the top but he should play alot better. We need him to double Andre the Giant.

[tjsunstein]

Plaxico is on the game ticket for todays matchup between the Giants and Eagles. The irony is hilarious.

[ChezPower4]

We've been rotating receivers a lot and Chambers hasn't gotten many looks. I suspect his ankle is still bothering him quite a bit, he was running like the wind early in the season, no problems getting behind a defense, and now he's invisible.

I'm sad Chambers got hurt. He was playing so well and racking up fantasy points for me.

[Gay Ork Wang]

okay now: GO LIONS!

The last time the Lions were 0-12 and played the Vikings....they won!

[Go_Eagles77]

Must win game for the eagles about to start.

[captainjack27]

Big pitt-dallas game. With Barber out and it being a winter wonderland, Dallas is gonna have their hands full.

[BeerBaron]

lousy website not working.......pout.......not gonna get to see the damn bears.....

[GB12]

Houston carves up our injury depleted defense on the first drive for a TD.

[Brodeur]

Again, Kevin Walter is the best white receiver in football.

[The Unseen]

Garrard lolz

[Gay Ork Wang]

sweet GARRARDCEPTION!

[The Unseen]

wait, what? sweet!

[regoob2]

No it didnt touch the pileon. Bears ball at the 1 foot line.

[Gay Ork Wang]

God bears suck! better challenge it

[The Unseen]

okay, nvm. Refs screwed that up.

[regoob2]

Foreshadowing Forte TD!!

[wicket]

and im already hating the sean payton playcalling

[Gay Ork Wang]

u mean Jason Davis, ******* Ron Turner is gonna make 3 FB Dives

[bearsfan_51]

Garrett Wolfe is out. I am sad.

[Go_Eagles77]

Manningham got owned.

[regoob2]

u mean Jason Davis, ******* Ron Turner is gonna make 3 FB Dives
lol, true I forgot about that.

[Sniper]

Ugh.....Mario....but yes, Eagles!

[Malaka]

Loss of 12 WTF...

[EvilMonkey]

Houston carves up our injury depleted defense on the first drive for a TD.

terrible throw by Schaub = TD thanks to Nick Collins spear tackling Tramon Williams knee

[Gay Ork Wang]

Garrett Wolfe is out. I am sad.
for the game? What happened?

[Malaka]

Oh wow wtf pass is that Manning...

[Go_Eagles77]

Stop on 4th down. Niiiice.

[Sniper]

I would love to have Sheldon Brown's babies.

[Number 10]

That was a weird play

[M.O.T.H.]

Well that was an ugly pass by Eli.

[bearsfan_51]

for the game? What happened?Dunno. I'm listening on the radio.

[bearsfan_51]

Lions defense still playing hard. Nice to see.

[regoob2]

That will work.

[bearsfan_51]

Touchdown Bears!! Woot!

[wicket]

saints defense is playing sad yet again

[M.O.T.H.]

Jason David just jumped the hell outta that one and he's doing the Carlton!

[BeerBaron]

Someones going to get a very capable TE this offseason is Des Clark....Im glad we have Olsen.

[Gay Ork Wang]

am i wrong or have the bears never started with a kickoff this season?

[Sveen]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Jason David has been pretty good lately. Three picks in just over a game :)

[Malaka]

Robbins is a beast... nuff said...

[Go_Eagles77]

Westbrook loses 5 on 2nd and 1. Of course.

[Number 10]

Fred Robbins is so nasty...he doesn't get enough credit

[Malaka]

Robbins running after Donovan McNabb lol...

[Go_Eagles77]

WTF McNabb Kevn Curtis was wide open.

[BeerBaron]

haha.....wow, that was a grandma pass mcnabb. sorry, had to comment.....wow

[Sniper]

WHY THE **** DON'T YOU ******* RUN DONOVAN? DON'T THROW TO ******* CURTIS!
Angry...

[Turtlepower]

McNabb could've got it if he ran.

[21ST]

He could have run for that

[Gay Ork Wang]

GO Houston!!!! they are doing nice so far!

[wicket]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Jason David has been pretty good lately. Three picks in just over a game :)

booya, still dont like him but he does a good carlton

[Go_Eagles77]

Start Kevin Kolb!!!! lol

[Crickett]

WHY THE **** DON'T YOU ******* RUN DONOVAN? DON'T THROW TO ******* CURTIS!
Angry...

It was thirs down and he wouldn't have made it to the first down marker or even close. Better question. Why not throw it to Kevin Curtis' hands instead of his feet?

[GB12]

Why is Detroit running so much?

[Sveen]

Get ready to be 0-4 when the opposing team scores first Atlanta :D

[GB12]

That was a nice play by Culpepper

[Gay Ork Wang]

Why is Detroit running so much?
apparently they didnt get the news that the Williams Wall is playing today

[Brodeur]

Keary Colbert win.

[Go_Eagles77]

Chris Gocong made a play in coverage omg!

[BeerBaron]

wonderful lack of pass rush by the Bears...ugh.

[Sniper]

Chris Gocong made a play in coverage omg!

So my TV ISN'T broken?

Holy ****, Sheldon Brown is awesome.

[Go_Eagles77]

There's your boy Sniper!

[Turtlepower]

That was an awful play call.

[Gay Ork Wang]

wonderful lack of pass rush by the Bears...ugh.
worked the first time haha

[DHVF]

Uh oh......this is looking bad

edit: Please run more with Rudi Detroit, we like him.

[Brodeur]

Why is Detroit running so much?

Because Kevin Smith is good...

[Sniper]

There's your boy Sniper!

He can cover, tackle, cure cancer etc...He's the man.

[BeerBaron]

Taylor falls down, has enough time to get up, dust of the ball, and still nearly run for the first down.

our d-line is miserable.....agghhh

[Gay Ork Wang]

apparently everyone on my fanatsy team after letting me down last week and kicking me out of the Playoffs decided to play today. **** everyone of them

[Jvig43]

So Detroit might win a game?

[Sniper]

apparently everyone on my fanatsy team after letting me down last week and kicking me out of the Playoffs decided to play today. **** everyone of them

Reggie! Reggie! Reggie!

[Gay Ork Wang]

Reggie! Reggie! Reggie!
that guy already got double the points he had last week. Vincent Jackson 25 more than last week. edwards already got the same amount. **** everyone

[GB12]

apparently they didnt get the news that the Williams Wall is playing today
Which is going to make it that much sweeter when the Vikings lose.

[BeerBaron]

The Jags, with Guards playing off the street, are dominating the line of scrimmage.

[Sniper]

that guy already got double the points he had last week. Vincent Jackson 25 more than last week. edwards already got the same amount. **** everyone

1 carry, 43 yards. Sexy.

[The Unseen]

Fred Taylor passes OJ Simpson on all-time NFL rushing list.

How appropriate.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Marcus Harrison is starting today! BEAST!

[Go_Eagles77]

DeSean Jackson > Mario Manningham.

[Turtlepower]

Well, that was a block in the back.

[Sniper]

That was the sexiest -2 run of all time. Tra Thomas smoked some dude.

Why doesn't everyone follow the Eddie Royal model and throw the ball away if you're going to lose big time yards?

[Gay Ork Wang]

MARK ANDERSON sighting!!!!

[BeerBaron]

Mark Anderson is NOT slow, haha....too bad he can only hit QBs AFTER they throw off the ball anymore....

[M.O.T.H.]

My boy Usama making plays, good for him. Back to work Reggie, lets go!

[BeerBaron]

ISRAEL IDONIJE!!!

beast.

[Gay Ork Wang]

god Idonije and Harrison are our best DLmen

[Brodeur]

Minnesota should stop lining up offsides.

[BeerBaron]

god Idonije and Harrison are our best DLmen

We need to get on resigning Idonije if we're not already.... Israel > Tommie Harris

[Turtlepower]

Mario Williams is such a beast.

[wicket]

Geaux Saints D, two opponents posessions and no score, awesome

[Gay Ork Wang]

oh god, did the lions just score on their first drive of the game?

[The Unseen]

ooh, me likey Kashmir being played in the background at Soldier Field.

[Turtlepower]

Aw ****. That punt return sucked. I guess it could've been worse.

[Go_Eagles77]

Damn that was almost a great play by Sean Considine.

[yo123]

oh god, did the lions just score on their first drive of the game?


They always get off to a good start.

[Sniper]

Damn that was almost a great play by Sean Considine.

Don't lie. Sean Considine and great plays don't go together.

[Turtlepower]

They always get off to a good start.

It usually takes a quarter or two for them to remember their place.

[Sveen]

Ladies and gentlemen. We have ourselves a punter :D

[Gay Ork Wang]

oh god Forte is such a beast, i love him i love him i love him

[Turtlepower]

Why run a toss on 2nd and inches?????

[Number 10]

Dawkins....affable

[21ST]

lol brian dawkins is bitchin kevin boss

[Gay Ork Wang]

lol we are moving the ball at will

[Sniper]

Asante Samuel is such a ***** in tackling.

[Go_Eagles77]

Nice play by Bradley.

[regoob2]

Matt Forte now has over 1400 yards as a rookie.

[Turtlepower]

I swore Jackson fair catch signaled that ball...

[wicket]

Ladies and gentlemen. We have ourselves a punter :D

makes me feel happy, geaux for the safety, would be awesome :)

[Sniper]

******* Christ, learn the ******* cadence.

[DHVF]

I hate Gus Frerotte more than anyone knows...in fact more than life itself

[yo123]

Of course a Childress coached team is going to have a let down against the worst team in history. Of course.

[princefielder28]

I hate Gus Frerotte more than anyone knows...in fact more than life itself

That may be one of the worst throws I have seen all year

[Sniper]

Nice ******* catch, Curtis. Wow.

Great throw.

[Go_Eagles77]

Kevin Curtis!!! Great play.

[Number 10]

Really nice catch by Curtis

[Gay Ork Wang]

the 3rd INT for the Lions defense this year

haha 2 came against Gus Frerotte 1 against Sexy Rex

[Go_Eagles77]

Eagles are gonna blow it after getting great field position.

[yo123]

We are the dumbest, worst coached team in the league. I will listen to no arguments about this.

[Sniper]

Rule of life: If the Eagles fail to gain at least three yards on a first down run, they will never run on second down.

[Vikes99ej]

4 offsides for the Vikings in the first quarter.... wonderful

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Is Ken Dorsey leading scoring drives against the Titans or is NFL.com ******* with me.

[Jvig43]

The Vikings are a good team, the coaching is just horrendous. I dont get to see them play all that often, but i watched the Tampa Bay game and i couldnt believe how many chances god gave them to win, and Brad childress just decided he didnt want to take them.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Is Ken Dorsey leading scoring drives against the Titans or is NFL.com ******* with me.
Ken Dorsey is the next Tom Brady

[throwback54milkman]

Is Ken Dorsey leading scoring drives against the Titans or is NFL.com ******* with me.

yea the titans aren't playing too well, especially collins

[Turtlepower]

Ken Dorsey is the next Tom Brady

Saying that is a disservice to Ken Dorsey./

[Sniper]

What a ******* stupid playcall. Like, wow, how dumb are you?

[regoob2]

Damn you Garza. Damn you to hell.

[Go_Eagles77]

Akers made a 51 yarder into the wind????? WTFFF???

[Sniper]

David Akers? 51 yards? WHAT THE ****?