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ThePudge
12-05-2008, 02:28 AM
This should be funny. From December to late April a player could go from Top 10 pick to Day Two. This will likely be something to look back on and laugh. Still, like any draft fan, I am dedicated to evaluating my personal rankings at all times. I approach these rankings as confidently and enthusiastically as any though. I am including most underclassmen. I understand not all will declare, and as they decide later in the process I will take them off my rankings. I have chosen to not include some. I know it may be inconvenient, but if you see a top underclassman not listed, feel free to ask if he is included or assume he is not. Alright, enough boring reading for you, let's get to my first extensive big board of the year. Enjoy!

Questions/Arguments/Disagreements are encouraged.

* Junior
** R.S. Sophomore

Top 100

1. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama*
2. Malcolm Jenkins, DB, Ohio State
3. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia*
4. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma**
5. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
6. Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois*
7. Jeremy Maclin, WR/RS, Missouri**
8. Chris "Beanie" Wells, RB, Ohio State*
9. Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
10. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech**
11. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
12. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
13. Eben Britton, OT, Arizona*
14. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
15. Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State*
16. William Moore, S, Missouri
17. James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
18. LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh**
19. Jermaine Gresham, TE, OKlahoma*
20. Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida*
21. Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
22. Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
23. Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia**
24. Taylor Mays, S, USC*
25. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State*
26. Greg Hardy, DE, Mississippi*
27. Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn*
28. Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
29. B.J. Raji, DT/NT, Boston College
30. Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
31. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland*
32. Ciron Black, OT, LSU*
33. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
34. D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt*
35. Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri*
36. Max Unger, C/OL, Oregon
37. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama*
38. George Selvie, DE/OLB, South Florida*
39. Alex Mack, C, California
40. Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
41. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
42. Percy Harvin, WR/RS, Florida*
43. Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina*
44. Clint Sintim, OLB, Virginia
45. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
46. Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers*
47. Sergio Render, OG, Virginia Tech*
48. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas*
49. Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky*
50. Herman Johnson, OG/RT, LSU
51. Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut
52. Auston English, DE/OLB, Oklahoma*
53. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida*
54. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson*
55. Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama
56. Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane
57. Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio State
58. Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina
59. Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa*
60. Patrick Chung, S, Oregon
61. Nate Davis, QB, Ball State*
62. Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas
63. James Davis, RB, Clemson
64. Larry English, DE/OLB, Northern Illinois
65. Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut*
66. Phil Loadholt, RT, Oklahoma
67. Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinnati
68. Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
69. Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson
70. Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
71. Darry Beckwith, ILB, LSU
72. Louis Murphy, WR, Florida
73. Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn
74. Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia
75. Andy Levitre, OG/C, Oregon State
76. Sherrod Martin, CB, Troy
77. Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
78. Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma
79. Trevor Canfield, OG, Cincinnati
80. Cody Brown, DE/OLB, Connecticut
81. Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida*
82. Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin
83. Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
84. Dannell Ellerbe, MLB, Georgia
85. Fili Moala, DT, USC
86. David Bruton, S, Notre Dame
87. Connor Barwin, DE/OLB, Cincinnati
88. Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
89. Eric Wood, C, Louisville
90. Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina
91. Brian Hartline, WR, Ohio State*
92. Terrence Taylor, DT/NT, Michigan
93. Matt Shaughnessy, DE, Wisconsin
94. Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State
95. Curtis Taylor, S, LSU
96. Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin
97. DeAngelo Smith, CB, Cincinnati
98. Vance Walker, DT, Georgia Tech
99. Will Davis, DE, Illinois
100. Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama

Fifteen that received consideration (in a loose positional order):
- Ron Brace, DT, Boston College
- Darryl Richard, DT, Georgia Tech
- Kaluka Maiava, LB, USC
- Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State
- Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
- Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
- Brooks Foster, WR, North Carolina
- Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State
- Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Mississippi
- Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland
- Victor "Macho" Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
- Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson State
- Brandon Underwood, CB, Cincinnati
- Derek Pegues, S, Mississippi State
- Courtney Greene, S, Rutgers

Don Vito
12-05-2008, 03:52 AM
Macho Harris has to be on the top 100 in my opinion. I may sound like an Ole Miss homer (again), but I don't see how Jason Smith could be ahead of Mike Oher. I know Smith is a great talent, but people are really getting down on Oher even though he is having a great year to go along with all of the ability in the world. He is a much better prospect than he was after his junior year; he has gotten a lot stronger, he is getting a mean streak, and his run blocking has improved. Not knocking Smith, I just think people are giving the guys shooting up the boards more recoginition because they may be sexier picks to throw out there.

Great effort overall though, looks like it was a lot of work.

holt_bruce81
12-05-2008, 04:08 AM
It's Sean Weatherspoon.

Nice work though man.

wicket
12-05-2008, 04:14 AM
I agree macho has to be in there somewhere.
I'll just pick out a couple that dont really work for me.
to high:
Jeremy Maclin
LeSean McCoy
Jason Smith
Russul Okung
Louis Delmas

To Low:
Fili Moala ( yes i said that everyone got from overrating him to underrating him in about 2 months time)
Victor Harris
Patrick Chung
Troy Kropog

in general quie a decent bb though

Xiomera
12-05-2008, 07:08 AM
Maualuga seems a little low . . . just my opinion though. Nice board overall.

eaglesalltheway
12-05-2008, 10:30 AM
Very solid overall of course I could squabble over a few players but all in all I say this is a great job.

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 10:57 AM
Very solid overall of course I could squabble over a few players but all in all I say this is a great job.

This is a discussion board brother, squabble away. It's an early December board, it's FAR from set in stone, but I'd still love to discuss anything. I understand the fact that I won't see eye to eye with everybody and unlike some, I am aware that disagreement is perfectly fine.

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 11:12 AM
Macho Harris has to be on the top 100 in my opinion. I may sound like an Ole Miss homer (again), but I don't see how Jason Smith could be ahead of Mike Oher. I know Smith is a great talent, but people are really getting down on Oher even though he is having a great year to go along with all of the ability in the world. He is a much better prospect than he was after his junior year; he has gotten a lot stronger, he is getting a mean streak, and his run blocking has improved. Not knocking Smith, I just think people are giving the guys shooting up the boards more recoginition because they may be sexier picks to throw out there.

Great effort overall though, looks like it was a lot of work.

Harris was in my original Top 100, the one I have on Microsoft Excel. Still, as I typed it up I just wondered where he'd fit in for me. He's a ballhawk with somewhat subpar speed. I'm not really sure where he'd fit in as any more than a #3 CB. To me, he's an early 4th Round pick as of right now. If he runs well at the Combine, impresses in Senior Bowl practices (which he should, against those receivers), and interviews well he has the potential to rise. I'd say Mid-Late 2nd is the ceiling there.

You may be right on Smith being the sexier pick, but he is ahead of Oher on my board because of his ability to play Left Tackle at the next level. Oher is the more decorated, experienced, and versatile of the two, but Jason Smith has that rare athleticism and ability to play Left Tackle. I think Michael Oher could be an All-Pro player, but I don't think it'll be at Left Tackle. His feet and agility are not near what Smith's, a former Tight End, are. I will say this, since I am a Bengals fan and I have become more concerned with pass-protection early, my decision to put Smith above Oher is probably slightly weighted. Oher is far thicker, a far better run blocker, and more versatile (RT/LG/RG). Still, I am not 100% sold yet on his ability to play Left Tackle against the speed rushers of the next level. There is still time though and logic tells us that Oher and Smith will likely have to face Brian Orakpo and/or Michael Johnson in Senior Bowl practice. That should show us a bit more.

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 11:16 AM
It's Sean Weatherspoon.

Nice work though man.

One player I am much higher on than his ranking at #35. Still, if he does declare, he may be pushed to the early 2nd Round similar to how DeMeco Ryans was pushed down the boards a couple years ago.

This draft's strength lies, right now, in the late first-early second I believe. That's where I think Weatherspoon sits right now.

ncst8fan83
12-05-2008, 11:16 AM
Dude, Brooks Foster and Brandon Tate over Hakeem Nicks? Seriously? Wow. Alllllllllrighty then.

I'm calling it right now, Aaron Curry is this years Vernon Gholston. Overhyped. Overvalued. Overeverything'd. Dude, he's not THAT good. There are at least 3 or 4 better linebackers in the ACC alone this year. How can you be a top 10 pick if you don't dictate the field of play? Curry does NOT scare me. Alphonso Smith? Hellz yeah. I just don't get the fascination with Curry other than Scott says to go ga-ga over him.

princefielder28
12-05-2008, 11:26 AM
I'm not a big fan of Alphonso Smith, and I would put Trevard Lindley ahead of him.

Good list

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 11:26 AM
Dude, Brooks Foster and Brandon Tate over Hakeem Nicks? Seriously? Wow. Alllllllllrighty then.

I'm calling it right now, Aaron Curry is this years Vernon Gholston. Overhyped. Overvalued. Overeverything'd. Dude, he's not THAT good. There are at least 3 or 4 better linebackers in the ACC alone this year. How can you be a top 10 pick if you don't dictate the field of play? Curry does NOT scare me. Alphonso Smith? Hellz yeah. I just don't get the fascination with Curry other than Scott says to go ga-ga over him.

No Nicks on my board. When I said I didn't include some underclassmen, Nicks was one of them. Right now, I see Hakeem Nicks in a similar area as I see Kenny Britt. That would be in the Mid-Late 2nd Round area. Both would likely rise due to their measurables, but I don't think either would be drafted until the Mid Second. (See Limas Sweed)

Scott loves Curry, but he's far from the only one. Pro Football Weekly's Nolan Nawrocki, who I have a great deal of respect for, ranks Curry #1 on his board (no underclassmen.) Mel Kiper agrees with him, also with Curry as 1st (No underclassmen). It's because of his ability at the next level. He is the definition of a pro-prospect at Linebacker. At 6'3 247, he has ideal size. He also has ideal athleticism. He can play every Linebacker spot. The only character concern about Curry is that he was suspended for a game after missing a class. I made only six classes my last three weeks of the college quarter, I don't consider myself to have character issues. He's had a great college career at Wake Forest, and is one of those guys who could be a better pro than college player.

DeathbyStat
12-05-2008, 11:31 AM
I agree with the Malcolm Jenkins, Andre Smith, Aaron Curry love. These are my top guys.

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 11:55 AM
Maualuga seems a little low . . . just my opinion though. Nice board overall.

I watch Maualuga and am somewhat perplexed about him as a prospect, to be honest. Luckily, I have DVR and ESPNU so I can record games and watch games that have already been played. I really sat down a couple nights ago and analyzed that USC team against Notre Dame. I've also gotten the chance to really watch them closely against Virginia, Ohio State, Oregon State, and Stanford games. I'm excited to see them beat up on UCLA.

Maualuga was never really the guy that stood out to me. He would stand out one play, then you wouldn't see him for four. I'm not saying he's not a good prospect, I am saying he could afford to be more consistent. I don't think he flows to the ball as quickly as James Laurinaitis, who we all match him up (inevitably) against. He is more physical, but also plays with less athleticism in his game. I don't think he positions himself all too well in coverage, and I'm not sure what move other than a mad bull-rush he'd bring to the table on the blitz. I see him as confined to the MLB or ILB position, whereas Laurinaitis and perhaps even Brandon Spikes, could kick out to WLB if the system called for it.

Maualuga is a talent, and a good prospect. However, raw power and intensity won't take you all too far in the NFL and he will need to be coached up a bit. He definitely has the upside, and he does some things much better than Laurinaitis (blitzing, getting off blocks), but I think Early 20's would be my ideal draft stock for Rey at this point. He just needs a little coaching and refining.

vatech=accdomination
12-05-2008, 12:27 PM
sergio render must be based off of potential

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 12:33 PM
sergio render must be based off of potential

Natural ability, potential, and ability to fit at either Guard position, yes that's correct. One of the most naturally talented Guard prospects we've seen in the past few years. Once his play starts to meet that potential halfway you have to think he'd be in that Late 1st-Early 2nd mix with Duke Robinson.

vatech=accdomination
12-05-2008, 12:53 PM
he angers me for that reason, he has immense potential, insane strength, but plays lazy and unmotivated.

DiG
12-05-2008, 01:21 PM
why do you love so much about maclin that has you putting him THAT far ahead of DHB asides from higher stats from an offense that throws a ton more than md with a qb ten times better?

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 01:52 PM
why do you love so much about maclin that has you putting him THAT far ahead of DHB asides from higher stats from an offense that throws a ton more than md with a qb ten times better?

Production plays a factor, yes, but I like the versatility Maclin offers. In addition to a very good receiver, Maclin could be a productive punt and kick returner. DHB could return kicks as well, but seems like less of a sure thing. I like Maclin more than most. The late first-early second area is stacked this season, and it pushes DHB down a bit. It's nothing against him, I simply love Maclin.

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 05:22 PM
I agree macho has to be in there somewhere.
I'll just pick out a couple that dont really work for me.
to high:
Jeremy Maclin
LeSean McCoy
Jason Smith
Russul Okung
Louis Delmas

To Low:
Fili Moala ( yes i said that everyone got from overrating him to underrating him in about 2 months time)
Victor Harris
Patrick Chung
Troy Kropog

in general quie a decent bb though


I'm very high on Jeremy Maclin, which is why he may seem a bit high to some. I love the speed and versatility he brings to the draft's weak WR crop. He has the potential to be a #1 receiver in time, but until then, a #2 or 3 role in addition to a Kick Returner and Punt Returner job works. Benefits a bit in my rankings due to the fact that Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson have been great.

McCoy is I feel where he'd be on most any boards.

I'm a fan of Smith and his ability to play Left Tackle at the next level. A true talent with great athleticism, agility, and feet. He may not have the national attention that guys like Oher or Monroe have, but Smith has developed into the best Left Tackle prospect of the bunch in my opinion.

Okung is another guy who I like where he is, bias-free.

Delmas is like Jason Smith in the sense that you hear about other guys on a national scale. A good player in his own right and a solid Free Safety prospect at the next level. You have to love that MAC.

Fili Moala is a great player, but his size makes him very odd to evaluate at the next level. The guy is a disruptor, a good pass-rusher. However, he tips the scales at a bit below 290 and is right in the 6'4-6'5 range. That size gives him a leverage disadvantage and makes you question what system he'd fit into. I like him in a Tampa-2 inside at DT as a one gap penetrator. I think he's a 3rd Round pick though. If scouts believe he can play DE in the 3-4 with his size and ability, his value will increase, but I don't see that kind of strength yet.

Macho Harris is a player I do like, despite not appearing in my direct Top 100. If it was a Top 102, he'd be in. His timed speed is what worries me at this point. An early-mid 4th round pick right now in my mind.

I've never been all too high on Chung for one reason or another. I think he'll be a solid pro, but I do prefer Alabama's Rashad Johnson in comparison. The safety class is really all preference at this point. The Senior Bowl should really help distancing each prospect and giving us a better idea. Late 2nd-Early 3rd doesn't strike me as too harsh though.

Kropog is garnering plenty of attention on this board and he has those measurables you have to love, but I can't help but feel your opinion on him is probably a bit too high at this point. Mid 2nd-Early 3rd is where I see him falling as a prospect right now, with a chance of moving up half a round or down a round. We'll see how he stacks up with the big boys in Mobile this year (Oher, Monroe, Smith.) I like him though, and I do have a fairly high opinion of him.

Babylon
12-05-2008, 05:35 PM
I agree with your assessment on Rey Rey. I think his stock has been so high in the past that it is taking some time to sort it all out. Right now i don't think he's an every down player. He'll probably make the big hit now and then but would probably be about my 6th overall LB when looking at the whole field.


Michael Johnson is sort of a wild card in this draft. High risk/reward player who i think could really slide when and if he has to go against top tackles at the combine. He would be wise to call in sick on that day.

ThePudge
12-05-2008, 05:54 PM
I agree with your assessment on Rey Rey. I think his stock has been so high in the past that it is taking some time to sort it all out. Right now i don't think he's an every down player. He'll probably make the big hit now and then but would probably be about my 6th overall LB when looking at the whole field.


Michael Johnson is sort of a wild card in this draft. High risk/reward player who i think could really slide when and if he has to go against top tackles at the combine. He would be wise to call in sick on that day.

The Combine is thought to be the area to most benefit Johnson, he won't have to touch an Offensive Tackle the entire week. Perhaps you are referring to the Senior Bowl, where he'd have to call out sick for an entire week. He'll go in to the draft process as a Mid-Late first and what he does from there will determine his final stock. If he has a good Senior Bowl week, look out, as his stock could absolutely sky-rocket. He is almost guaranteed to have a good Combine performance, which should keep him in the first round if he does slip up at the Senior Bowl.

Babylon
12-05-2008, 06:02 PM
The Combine is thought to be the area to most benefit Johnson, he won't have to touch an Offensive Tackle the entire week. Perhaps you are referring to the Senior Bowl, where he'd have to call out sick for an entire week. He'll go in to the draft process as a Mid-Late first and what he does from there will determine his final stock. If he has a good Senior Bowl week, look out, as his stock could absolutely sky-rocket. He is almost guaranteed to have a good Combine performance, which should keep him in the first round if he does slip up at the Senior Bowl.

My mistake, i thought they had OL vs DL drills at the combine. I need to get NFL network i guess.

jnew76
12-05-2008, 06:03 PM
This list is outstanding, IMO. Most of the players are similarly positioned to my own thoughts currently.

A couple things stand out to me as far as relating to my current rankings.

I believe Bernard Scott of Abilene Christian is a top 40 talent in this draft, but he has 6th round character at this point. Although 2 years of trouble free performance should give him a top 100 grade. He is crazy good, and if anyone has not seen him, I highly recommend taking a look.

I like Derek Pegues as a top 50 player, as do a number of others on this board. I think he is being hurt by the play of his entire team this year.

I have Jauquin Iglesias rated as the top Senior WR. I think there is so much talent on the OU offense that he often gets overshadowed by Bradford, Gresham, Murray, and the rest of the very talented WR's. I love Iglesias' hands, quickness, and route running. Kind of similar to Steve Smith of USC a couple years ago.

ThePudge
12-06-2008, 12:14 AM
This list is outstanding, IMO. Most of the players are similarly positioned to my own thoughts currently.

A couple things stand out to me as far as relating to my current rankings.

I believe Bernard Scott of Abilene Christian is a top 40 talent in this draft, but he has 6th round character at this point. Although 2 years of trouble free performance should give him a top 100 grade. He is crazy good, and if anyone has not seen him, I highly recommend taking a look.

I like Derek Pegues as a top 50 player, as do a number of others on this board. I think he is being hurt by the play of his entire team this year.

I have Jauquin Iglesias rated as the top Senior WR. I think there is so much talent on the OU offense that he often gets overshadowed by Bradford, Gresham, Murray, and the rest of the very talented WR's. I love Iglesias' hands, quickness, and route running. Kind of similar to Steve Smith of USC a couple years ago.

As far as Bernard Scott goes, I'm going to have to plead ignorance there and take a look as you said. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

Pegues is a player I've never been all too high on and you may be right, he is being hurt by his team. Still, taking into consideration size, character, and his production drop, I stand by him as an Early-Mid 4th Round choice at this point. Once again, he has the potential to rise.

I like Iglesias and I like the Steve Smith comparison a lot. Many will say Smith was a bit quicker and faster coming out, but it wasn't until he actually ran a 4.44 that he showed speed, he was projected in the 4.55-4.6 range. He is pushed down my big board a bit because of others around him. I'm excited to see him tomorrow with the explosive Jeremy Maclin on the sidelines across from him. I think 3rd Round at this point is fair, with the potential to move a round or so in either direction. His strengths compare favorably to those of Smith and Anthony Gonzalez, we'll just have to wait and see how he measures and runs. Just a good football player.