Does Penn State have any Shot Against USC?

[DeathbyStat]

I don't think so,and I'm a Penn State fan.

I'd say the score will be 42-3 USC winning

[abaddon41_80]

I think they do. Penn State is not Ohio State. They have the speed to stay with USC and are just as strong as USC in the trenches. I am looking forward to the Rose Bowl more this season than any season in recent memory.

[sbh15]

I'd be surprised if PSU won, but I'll say that it won't be much more than a two possession margin (between 6 and 16).

[CroomDawgs]

Ummmmm, yes you have a shot. USC is a great bowl team and its practically in their backyard, but besides the Ohio State game they have not impressed me and they've had one of the easiest schedules in America.

And If you look at the stats the defensive and offensive numbers are almost equal.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Darryl Clark is no Vince Young but he can surely make USC scramble by moving out of the pocket and he has the arm to gun it to one of their 3 great receivers. They also have a powerful runner in Royster and a homerun hitter in Stefphon Green. Defensively I think they can stop the pass with their pass rush, but I worry about their run defense with so many great USC backs. USC definitely has a huge advantage, but I like PSU chances much more than Illinois last year.

[Sniper]

No, they don't. USC's defense is too good.

[P-L]

In 12 USC has given up a combined 22 points in the second half. Penn State is going to need to have a decent lead at halftime if they have any chance to win.

[Laces_Out_Dan]

I think that USC should win, but I do think PSU has a really good shot. PSU defense should be able to keep USCs offense in check and keep the game close. I think it just depends on how well the PSU offense can do against a very good USC d, I think whoever wins that battle wins the game. Should be a fun game to watch.

[RaiderNation]

27 to 10 USC

[BuddyCHRIST]

They have more of a chance than usual because USC's offense hasn't been crazy explosive this year. But USC is awesome in bowl games and their D is too strong.

[Sniper]

They have more of a chance than usual because USC's offense hasn't been crazy explosive this year. But USC is awesome in bowl games and their D is too strong.

USC's offense was ranked 13th in ppg before last game. How is that not explosive?

[Babylon]

Realistically not much of a chance. USC historically plays well in the Rose Bowl and Penn State isnt Texas of a couple of years ago on any level. USC defense is better now than it was then also. Not sure what happened on the Damien Williams injury, if he wasnt able to play that could slow them down on offense a bit.

[BrownsTown]

PSU still does not impress me. I don't know how much better they are than OSU, who USC crushed earlier this year. Obviously they have a shot but it will probably be a blowout.

The way Penn St. has played against good defenses this year is not promising. They'll need to stop USC to have a chance.

[captainjack27]

I don't think so,and I'm a Penn State fan.

I'd say the score will be 42-3 USC winning

What? That's completely idiotic. Yes they have a shot. Everyone makes the argument Penn State plays in the B10, therefore they must be overrated. LOOK AT USC. They play in the Pac 10. That includes stellar teams like Washington (0-12) Washington State (2-11) and UCLA (4-8). Not to mention they got Notre Dame. 42-3? Are you joking. USC got Ohio State at home, without Beanie Wells arguably the best RB when healthy. Penn State went into the horseshoe with a healthy Beanie Wells and Todd Boeckman was on the bench. Look at the teasm losses. Penn State went to Kinnick and lost to Iowa (whom they always struggle against). USC struggles against Oregon State in Corvallis. They lost. The teams both have had soft schedules this year. Penn State played well on the road in every game besides Kinnick. That being said, USC has a lot of talent and it is a home game for them, which I think is a joke. However, can't change that. But to say they have no shot is completely ignorant. Am I saying Penn State will win? No. But to say they'll be oblitterated is insulting to hear as PSU fan from another one.

[nrk]

What? That's completely idiotic. Yes they have a shot. Everyone makes the argument Penn State plays in the B10, therefore they must be overrated. LOOK AT USC. They play in the Pac 10. That includes stellar teams like Washington (0-12) Washington State (2-11) and UCLA (4-8). Not to mention they got Notre Dame. 42-3? Are you joking. USC got Ohio State at home, without Beanie Wells arguably the best RB when healthy. Penn State went into the horseshoe with a healthy Beanie Wells and Todd Boeckman was on the bench. USC has not had one true test this year IMO. Am I saying Penn State will win? No. But to say they'll be oblitterated is insulting to hear as PSU fan from another one.

I think you're forgetting the fact that THEY'RE USC!!!!!!!!!!

[BrownsTown]

What? That's completely idiotic. Yes they have a shot. Everyone makes the argument Penn State plays in the B10, therefore they must be overrated. LOOK AT USC. They play in the Pac 10. That includes stellar teams like Washington (0-12) Washington State (2-11) and UCLA (4-8). Not to mention they got Notre Dame. 42-3? Are you joking. USC got Ohio State at home, without Beanie Wells arguably the best RB when healthy. Penn State went into the horseshoe with a healthy Beanie Wells and Todd Boeckman was on the bench. USC has not had one true test this year IMO. Am I saying Penn State will win? No. But to say they'll be oblitterated is insulting to hear as PSU fan from another one.

Difference is, Penn St. struggled with OSU and USC tore them a new one. Against the only teams with decent defenses all year, they scored 13 against OSU and 23 in a loss to Iowa. They don't have success against good defenses and they'll be facing the best one in college football.

You can watch the two teams and tell which team looks like the better one. Penn St. never really impressed me and I watched them several times.

[captainjack27]

I think you're forgetting the fact that THEY'RE USC!!!!!!!!!!

ZOMGZZZ HOW COULD I FORGET USC IS INFALLABLE ZOMGZZZZZZZZZZZ

[BrownsTown]

ZOMGZZZ HOW COULD I FORGET USC IS INFALLABLE ZOMGZZZZZZZZZZZ

Considering they allow 7.8 ppg, that seems pretty infallible.

[nrk]

Difference is, Penn St. struggled with OSU and USC tore them a new one. Against the only teams with decent defenses all year, they scored 13 against OSU and 23 in a loss to Iowa. They don't have success against good defenses and they'll be facing the best one in college football.

You can watch the two teams and tell which team looks like the better one. Penn St. never really impressed me and I watched them several times.
Without Beanie Wells and their now starting QB is when USC played OSU. I forgot teams don't improve over the season.

[captainjack27]

Difference is, Penn St. struggled with OSU and USC tore them a new one. Against the only teams with decent defenses all year, they scored 13 against OSU and 23 in a loss to Iowa. They don't have success against good defenses and they'll be facing the best one in college football.

You can watch the two teams and easily tell which team is better. Penn St. never really impressed me and I watched them several times.

That is true. However, USC got Ohio State without Beanie Wells. To me, thats a huge difference. Also, yes their defense is one of the best, but what stellar offenses have they played? They play in one of the worst conferences in football. That being said, so does Penn State. Both teams have good balanced offenses and quick defenses.

Besides OSU, they nest best Defense USC has played is Arizona, avg. Giving up 302 ypg. Not bad, but thats a 7-5 team.

Penn State also played OSU, and the next best is Iowa who gives up 289 ypg. They are an 8-5 team. So really, what advantage does USC have? Because they clobbered OSU 3 months ago? Because they've been killing teams that would struggle in FCS? Yes they're extremely talented, but people are clouded by the fact that OSU has put up lame efforts in bowl games past, and stereotypes PSU. It's going to be a great game, not a blowout.

[Sniper]

Beanie Wells isn't worth 32 points though.

[BrownsTown]

That is true. However, USC got Ohio State without Beanie Wells. To me, thats a huge difference. Also, yes their defense is one of the best, but what stellar offenses have they played? They play in one of the worst conferences in football. That being said, so does Penn State. Both teams have good balanced offenses and quick defenses.

Besides OSU, they nest best Defense USC has played is Arizona, avg. Giving up 302 ypg. Not bad, but thats a 7-5 team.

Penn State also played OSU, and the next best is Iowa who gives up 289 ypg. They are an 8-5 team. So really, what advantage does USC have? Because they clobbered OSU 3 months ago? Because they've been killing teams that would struggle in FCS? Yes they're extremely talented, but people are clouded by the fact that OSU has put up lame efforts in bowl games past, and stereotypes PSU. It's going to be a great game, not a blowout.

Does it matter who you play when you give up 7.8 ppg? You could face all FCS teams and that's still fairly impressive. And there was no difference between the OSU defense that held down PSU and the OSU defense that gave up 35 to USC. USC is just a better team. They're a level above teams like PSU and OSU.

That said, Oregon State is a much worse team and still pulled off a win vs. USC. They still have a shot.

[captainjack27]

Considering they allow 7.8 ppg, that seems pretty infallible.

Yea, when you play offenses like Washington (263 ypg off.), Washington State(241 ypg),and UCLA.(283 ypg) that's soooo impressive... Give me a break.

[captainjack27]

Does it matter who you play when you give up 7.8 ppg? You could face all FCS teams and that's still fairly impressive. And there was no difference between the OSU defense that held down PSU and the OSU defense that gave up 35 to USC. USC is just a better team. They're a level above teams like PSU and OSU.

That said, Oregon State is a much worse team and still pulled off a win vs. USC. They still have a shot.

Yes it does make a difference. When you play offense's that are completely imcompetent it makes it easy to have impressive stats like that. I know USC has a lot of talent. They are a good team. But so is Penn State. I'm defending the fact they have a good shot in this game, rather than being blown out as half the people are saying.

[captainjack27]

Beanie Wells isn't worth 32 points though.

That is true, but what he could have done was given OSU some balance. He would be able to make shorter 2nd and 3rd downs. Rather than Ohio State having to pass all day, allowing the D-Line to pin their ears back. Without Wells they were one dimensional. Would he have won the game, probably not. But you can't sit there and say that with wells in that game they would have been clobbered as badly as they were.

[nrk]

Beanie Wells isn't worth 32 points though.

He might have been able to extend drives that didn't end in points. Missing your #1 offensive player hurts.

[BrownsTown]

Yea, when you play offenses like Washington (263 ypg off.), Washington State(241 ypg),and UCLA.(283 ypg) that's soooo impressive... Give me a break.

And then you have Oregon, Arizona, Cal...

And those 3 teams you listed...in 3 games USC gave up a combined 7 points.

But then again it's nothing like PSU facing Coastal Carolina, Syracuse, TEmple, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana. I forget how amazing the offenses they faced were. Granted, Michigan State and Iowa have good offenses. They faced some good and some bad same as USC.

Yet they still allowed 12.4 points a game. So, yes, 7.8 points per game is very, very impressive.

[keylime_5]

I think they do. Penn State is not Ohio State. They have the speed to stay with USC and are just as strong as USC in the trenches. I am looking forward to the Rose Bowl more this season than any season in recent memory.

what?
penn state isn't really faster than ohio state except on the offensive and defensive lines. The reason they will put up more of a fight than we did is b/c their lines are both pretty good units, while Ohio State's lines were terrible (well, our defensive line is pretty good now, but it was bad in September @USC). The point about being just as strong in the trenches is right. I don't think USC will score that many points against Penn State's great front 7.

I don't think Penn State has enough offense to get past the Trojans, not in their hometown anyways. USC always shows up in bowl games unfortunately for them. 27-13 USC.

[santeria531]

I predict that PSU will keep it close, or maybe even have the lead, at halftime.... But when Pete Carroll does his thing at halftime, starting of the 3rd quarter will be when USC absolutely manhandles PSU. 22 points given up in the 2nd half over 12 games!!! I don't care if the Trojans played in the Sun Belt Conference, that is ridiculous. Props to Carroll for being the best coach at halftime adjustments in college football.

The part I really don't get is where Penn State has a chance because SC's offense isn't "explosive." Uhm, their defense gives up 7.8 ppg in a conference that's known for its offensive power (although not quite like the Big 12)...... Explain why they need an explosive offense? They could probably win by just having Sanchez hand off the ball to Gable, McKnight, and Johnson every play.

I do agree that PSU is better than Illinois last year or OSU this year; however, those two games were embarrassing. I really do hope it's a close game, but I just don't see that happening. USC comes to play at bowl games, and when they're hitting on all cylinders not even Oregon State can hang w/ them! :)

[bearsfan_51]

The Big 10 is going to have some pretty rough matchups overall.

Texas
USC
Georgia
Missouri
South Carolina
Kansas

That ain't no joke.

[Sniper]

The Big 10 is going to have some pretty rough matchups overall.

Texas
USC
Georgia
Missouri
South Carolina
Kansas

That ain't no joke.

Pretty much all are road games too. Like, literally road games.

[keylime_5]

I think Iowa wins. The rest, not so sure. All the teams we play are like top 25 caliber.

[nrk]

The Big 10 is going to have some pretty rough matchups overall.

Texas
USC
Georgia
Missouri
South Carolina
Kansas

That ain't no joke.

How well do you think the Big 10 will do in those games?

[captainjack27]

And then you have Oregon, Arizona, Cal...

And those 3 teams you listed...in 3 games USC gave up a combined 7 points.

But then again it's nothing like PSU facing Coastal Carolina, Syracuse, TEmple, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana. I forget how amazing the offenses they faced were. Granted, Michigan State and Iowa have good offenses. They faced some good and some bad same as USC.

Yet they still allowed 12.4 points a game. So, yes, 7.8 points per game is very, very impressive.


That is true, PSU did face a lot of Cupcake offenses, but I never said that their defense was any better.

PSU's schedule

Coastal Carolina (goes without saying)

Oregon State (Off. 418 ypg Def. 323 ypg) 45-14 W
Syracuse (Off 270 ypg Def 414 ypg) 55-13 W
Temple (Off 298.1 ypg Def 388 ypg) 45-3 W (btw they're 5-7 the same as ASU and Stanford for 6th in the pac 10. Not saying they could beat them, but it shows you how bad the Pac 10 is)
Illinois (Off 438 ypg Def 350 ypg) W 38-24
Purdue (Off 374 ypg Def 358 ypg) W 20-6
Wisconsin (Off 404 ypg Def 322 ypg) W 48-7
Michigan (Off 290 ypg Def 366 ypg) W 46-17
Ohio State (Off 339 ypg Def 279 ypg) W 13-6
Iowa (Off 379 ypg Def 289 ypg) L 24-23
Indiana (Off 346 ypg Def 432 ypg) W 34-7
Mich St. (Off 352 ypg Def 357 ypg) W 49-18

USC

Virginia (Off 299 ypg Def 333 ypg) W 52-7
Ohio State (Off 339 ypg Def 279 ypg) W 35-3
Oregon State (Off 418 ypg Def 323 ypg) L 27-21
Oregon (Off 478 ypg Def 383 ypg) W 44-10
ASU (Off 307 ypg Def 335 ypg) W 28-0
WSU (Off 241 ypg Def 443 ypg) W 69-0
Arizona (Off 401 ypg Def 302 ypg) W 17-10
Washington (Off 263 ypg Def 451 ypg) W 56-0
Cal (Off 379 ypg Def 315 ypg) W 17-3
Stanford (Off 351 ypg Def 379 ypg) W 45-23
Notre Dame (Off 344 ypg Def 327 ypg) W 38-3
UCLA (Off 283 ypg Def 337 ypg) W 28-7

There is not a lot of Difference in the schedule as far as quality of competition.

Each played 4 teams that avg. less than 300 ypg offensively. PSU has played 3 teams that avg giving up 400, USC has played two.

USC Off Avg 453.1 ypg Def 206 ypg
PSU Off Avg 452 ypg Def 263 ypg.

Even offenses, Defense, edge does go to USC. But against teams that avg over 400 yards per game, 14 to OSU ( and 7 of those were scrub points) 7 vs Wisconsin, and 24 vs. U of I. We're never going to agree on who had the easier schedule. The only thing I'm saying is that Penn State has the talent to come out on top. Will they? I don't know. I think it will be a good game. To say PSU will be manhandled is absurd.

[bearsfan_51]

How well do you think the Big 10 will do in those games?
I'll say 2-4. I think our best chances is Michigan State/Iowa/Northwestern. Texas/USC just looks impossible, and although I love the Gophers, Kansas should wipe the floor with them.

[nrk]

How much do you guys think USC will be favored by?

[BrownsTown]

That is true, PSU did face a lot of Cupcake offenses, but I never said that their defense was any better.

PSU's schedule

Coastal Carolina (goes without saying)

Oregon State (Off. 418 ypg Def. 323 ypg) 45-14 W
Syracuse (Off 270 ypg Def 414 ypg) 55-13 W
Temple (Off 298.1 ypg Def 388 ypg) 45-3 W (btw they're 5-7 the same as ASU and Stanford for 6th in the pac 10. Not saying they could beat them, but it shows you how bad the Pac 10 is)
Illinois (Off 438 ypg Def 350 ypg) W 38-24
Purdue (Off 374 ypg Def 358 ypg) W 20-6
Wisconsin (Off 404 ypg Def 322 ypg) W 48-7
Michigan (Off 290 ypg Def 366 ypg) W 46-17
Ohio State (Off 339 ypg Def 279 ypg) W 13-6
Iowa (Off 379 ypg Def 289 ypg) L 24-23
Indiana (Off 346 ypg Def 432 ypg) W 34-7
Mich St. (Off 352 ypg Def 357 ypg) W 49-18

USC

Virginia (Off 299 ypg Def 333 ypg) W 52-7
Ohio State (Off 339 ypg Def 279 ypg) W 35-3
Oregon State (Off 418 ypg Def 323 ypg) L 27-21
Oregon (Off 478 ypg Def 383 ypg) W 44-10
ASU (Off 307 ypg Def 335 ypg) W 28-0
WSU (Off 241 ypg Def 443 ypg) W 69-0
Arizona (Off 401 ypg Def 302 ypg) W 17-10
Washington (Off 263 ypg Def 451 ypg) W 56-0
Cal (Off 379 ypg Def 315 ypg) W 17-3
Stanford (Off 351 ypg Def 379 ypg) W 45-23
Notre Dame (Off 344 ypg Def 327 ypg) W 38-3
UCLA (Off 283 ypg Def 337 ypg) W 28-7

There is not a lot of Difference in the schedule as far as quality of competition.

Each played 4 teams that avg. less than 300 ypg offensively. PSU has played 3 teams that avg giving up 400, USC has played two.

USC Off Avg 453.1 ypg Def 206 ypg
PSU Off Avg 452 ypg Def 263 ypg.

Even offenses, Defense, edge does go to USC. But against teams that avg over 400 yards per game, 14 to OSU ( and 7 of those were scrub points) 7 vs Wisconsin, and 24 vs. U of I. We're never going to agree on who had the easier schedule. The only thing I'm saying is that Penn State has the talent to come out on top. Will they? I don't know. I think it will be a good game. To say PSU will be manhandled is absurd.

No, it's not. PSU getting manhandled is the most likely outcome.

[captainjack27]

No, it's not. PSU getting manhandled is the most likely outcome.

Fine, be bitter and ignorant, it's impossible to talk to people as thick-skulled as you.

[BrownsTown]

Fine, be bitter and ignorant, it's impossible to talk to people as thick-skulled as you.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

I don't like or dislike either team more, so what do I have to be bitter about? I'm saying what I think is the truth. Maybe you're the one who needs to look at it differently. They're two teams that are on different levels.

[Hines]

On paper, USC should kick the crap out of Penn State. We know USC never plays up to potential which could cost them. Should be a good game regardless and way better then last years Rose Bowl.

But it does seem like USC always comes out to play during the Rose Bowl.

[Sniper]

Have you just skipped out on bowl games lately?

[BRAVEHEART]

1.USC comes to play in bowl games
2.USC plays well in OOC games
3.USC plays well against the big-11 teams

Penn State has a chance, but I think most people believe USC will win in the end.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Does Penn State have a chance? Of course they do. If USC can lose to Oregon State, they can lose to Penn State. It will take some brutal defense and a great running game. I think it will be a closer game than people think, but USC will win.

[Zyro_1014]

I feel as though USC is going to run away with this game. I dont think Penn State is an explosive offense. I think we will have Clark very confused with all of the blitzs that Carrol is going to send at him and we will get the offense rolling. If you look back at our previous bowl games, its when our offense is at their best. The couple weeks that we have off Carrol schemes and prepares us better than anyone in the country. There isnt one team in the country this year that i feel would beat us. Sure we play in the Pac 10, but its not the first year we have been in the Pac 10 and the defense has always been dominant....even in bowl games.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I feel as though USC is going to run away with this game. I dont think Penn State is an explosive offense. I think we will have Clark very confused with all of the blitzs that Carrol is going to send at him and we will get the offense rolling. If you look back at our previous bowl games, its when our offense is at their best. The couple weeks that we have off Carrol schemes and prepares us better than anyone in the country. There isnt one team in the country this year that i feel would beat us. Sure we play in the Pac 10, but its not the first year we have been in the Pac 10 and the defense has always been dominant....even in bowl games.

And that should be the belief, and that is most likely to happen. That being said, Joe Paterno is no slouch against West Coast teams. Though I am a Paterno basher, Penn State in general does well in Bowl Games too, especially BCS/Rose Bowls. I think if they can come and punch USC in the mouth and make it a game. Will it happen? Who knows.

[ThePudge]

I think they do. Penn State is not Ohio State. They have the speed to stay with USC and are just as strong as USC in the trenches. I am looking forward to the Rose Bowl more this season than any season in recent memory.

...Ohio State is faster than Penn State at almost every position. If you watched the past two National Championships you should know Ohio State was out-coached, they had the speed to stay with anyone. Florida beat them with their pass-rush (Harvey and Jarvis Moss particularly, they were both first round picks.) Both coaches, Meyer and Miles, took advantage of the aggression of the Buckeye's defense with bootlegs, gimmick plays, and play action. The comment you made is incorrect and invalid.

Ohio State was playing USC this season early with a true freshman at QB and no Beanie Wells. I won't be naive enough to say they could take USC now, but I think it's fair to say it'd be a much closer game. Ohio State really got better as the season progressed and don't forget, they were one bounce away from beating Penn State (Pryor's sneak on which he fumbled after he was past the first down marker).

USC dismantled every team they played really, with Oregon State being an exception. They could've pulled an Oklahoma and put up 50 points up on Notre Dame and UCLA. They let off the gas a bit and rotate backups.

[iowatreat54]

just nit-picking, but Boeckman was the starter for 3/4 of the USC game.

[captainjack27]

I feel as though USC is going to run away with this game. I dont think Penn State is an explosive offense. I think we will have Clark very confused with all of the blitzs that Carrol is going to send at him and we will get the offense rolling. If you look back at our previous bowl games, its when our offense is at their best. The couple weeks that we have off Carrol schemes and prepares us better than anyone in the country. There isnt one team in the country this year that i feel would beat us. Sure we play in the Pac 10, but its not the first year we have been in the Pac 10 and the defense has always been dominant....even in bowl games.

The offense is probably the most balanced offense USC will play. If Penn State's O-Line can control the LOS (which they can in this matchup) thats what will keep them in this game. Penn State really hasn't faced a heavy blitz D yet but the line is capable of handling that.

[Namy]

Penn St. absolutely has a chance. They're a massive underdog tho, and for good reasons: It's essentially a home game for USC, USC has the best defense in recent memory, Pete Carrol may be the best big game coach.

That said, if Penn St. can weather the storm early, they've got a fighting chance to win the game imo. If they let USC jump on them quick, it could get ugly. I believe that the outcome of the game will rest on Darryl Clark. He CANNOT turn the ball over, and he must scramble and pass effectively (and smartly) a la VY. Penn St. has solid play makers, especially Derrick Williams. He could be a game breaker.

Also, USC's offense is not that good imo. You can give me all the stats you want, but it's not about numbers. I've watched a handful of their games this season, and Sanchez is nothing like Booty, Leinart, or Palmer. Sanchez is quite prone to bad decision making (ex: ASU game). Penn St's defense is underrated. If they can pressure Sanchez and rattle him early, I think Penn St has a good chance to win.

That said, I'm still picking USC overall. But does Penn St have a shot? Of course!

[diabsoule]

Let me just say to start off is that I hate that USC gets to play in the Rose Bowl due to how close it is to their campus. Penn St. gets to go on the road while USC gets to play a home game.

With that being said, I think Penn St. has the talent on both sides of the ball to keep it close but their going to have to be extremely disciplined, play smart fundamental football, commit as few turnovers as possible, and be extremely aggressive. If they could someone jump on USC with an early lead, then I like their chances.

However, I have my doubts about Penn St. offense vs. USC defense. That Trojan defense is just scary and I am doubtful that Penn State's offense is good enough to put up more than maybe two touchdowns against it.

[Zyro_1014]

Let me just say to start off is that I hate that USC gets to play in the Rose Bowl due to how close it is to their campus. Penn St. gets to go on the road while USC gets to play a home game.

With that being said, I think Penn St. has the talent on both sides of the ball to keep it close but their going to have to be extremely disciplined, play smart fundamental football, commit as few turnovers as possible, and be extremely aggressive. If they could someone jump on USC with an early lead, then I like their chances.

However, I have my doubts about Penn St. offense vs. USC defense. That Trojan defense is just scary and I am doubtful that Penn State's offense is good enough to put up more than maybe two touchdowns against it.

Im sure that USC would much rather go to any of the other BCS games instead of being stuck at the Rose Bowl again...

[BRAVEHEART]

Penn St. absolutely has a chance. They're a massive underdog tho, and for good reasons: It's essentially a home game for USC, USC has the best defense in recent memory, Pete Carrol may be the best big game coach.

That said, if Penn St. can weather the storm early, they've got a fighting chance to win the game imo. If they let USC jump on them quick, it could get ugly. I believe that the outcome of the game will rest on Darryl Clark. He CANNOT turn the ball over, and he must scramble and pass effectively (and smartly) a la VY. Penn St. has solid play makers, especially Derrick Williams. He could be a game breaker.

Also, USC's offense is not that good imo. You can give me all the stats you want, but it's not about numbers. I've watched a handful of their games this season, and Sanchez is nothing like Booty, Leinart, or Palmer. Sanchez is quite prone to bad decision making (ex: ASU game). Penn St's defense is underrated. If they can pressure Sanchez and rattle him early, I think Penn St has a good chance to win.

That said, I'm still picking USC overall. But does Penn St have a shot? Of course!

I was agreeing with you until that. If you think booty is a better decision maker let-alone better QB than sanchez then you haven't watched alot of Booty's games. Sanchez has had his ups and downs, but he's a pretty decent decision maker. Quite a scrambler when he needs to be, knows how to buy time and get away from defenders. Sanchez is not at Fault for the O's hiccups this year, not at all.

If penn state wins, it'll be a low scoring game with a whole bunch turn-overs (which is quite possible). PSU also needs the lead heading into the half, because we all know USC will get it going in the second half. Stopping the run is very important for both teams, but this will be a must for PSU.

[Sniper]

Let me just say to start off is that I hate that USC gets to play in the Rose Bowl due to how close it is to their campus. Penn St. gets to go on the road while USC gets to play a home game.

Oddly enough, I don't recall you having problems with LSU playing in the Sugar Bowl.

[CroomDawgs]

PSU also needs the lead heading into the half, because we all know USC will get it going in the second half. Stopping the run is very important for both teams, but this will be a must for PSU.


Thats an excellent point. If I'm not mistaken two years ago Michigan was tied 3-3 at halftime before USC took over and Last year Although it was 21-0 at one point Illinois nearly made it 21-17 before they fumbled in the endzone midway through the third and then USC destroyed them. If Penn State can come out and get an early one or two score lead it be huge.

[Menardo75]

I really doubt they do honestly. USC is far and away the best big game team in the country. All around I think they are a bad matchup for Penn State.

[cdub11]

i think usc wins by 17

[ruthlessrussian]

Does Penn St have a chance? Well.... No, no they dont really. 40-10 with PSU's td coming late in the game after SC is already up big.

[CroomDawgs]

Does Penn St have a chance? Well.... No, no they dont really. 40-10 with PSU's td coming late in the game after SC is already up big.

USC doesn't have a prayer of dropping 40 on Penn State.

[Zyro_1014]

USC doesn't have a prayer of dropping 40 on Penn State.

USC plays pretty well in Bowl Games....dont be surprised if we dont.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

USC's offense was ranked 13th in ppg before last game. How is that not explosive?

I guess he means, "By USC standards"

[CroomDawgs]

USC plays pretty well in Bowl Games....dont be surprised if we dont.


Against Penn State's defense? Not a chance. You dropped 32 on michigna 2 years ago and that defense wasn't as good as this, and SC's offense was better back then IMO.

As I said Earlier, 17-10 USC. PSU will keep it close but I think SC scores 10 unanswered in the 4th to win

[Sniper]

You dropped 32 on michigna 2 years ago and that defense wasn't as good as this

I feel bad for the good players on the '06 UM defense. Scrubs like Morgan Trent and Johnny Sears wasted away the dominance the other guys put in.

[Sniper]

SC's offense was better back then IMO.

False. '08 USC averages seven ppg more than '06 USC did.

[bearsfan_51]

False. '08 USC averages seven ppg more than '06 USC did.
That doesn't tell the whole story though. The Pac 10 is doggy **** poo poo this year, which no doubt is going to inflate USC's stats a bit.

[ruthlessrussian]

That doesn't tell the whole story though. The Pac 10 is doggy **** poo poo this year, which no doubt is going to inflate USC's stats a bit.

True there stats were inflated by a down year in the Pac 10. But the fact of the matter is, aside from the OrSt game, SC dominated their games against good competition and did exactly what they were supposed to do against their poor competition, use the games as practice sessions.

The honest truth is, that in my opinion, Penn St has NO chance against USC and there is really no point in arguing it other then for fun. What is a fact however and not just opinion is that USC right now has a more athletic, more experienced(excluding JoePA), better big game football team then Penn St and it is going to show next week.

Nothing against Penn St but I hope USC runs up the score on them just to prove my point, which they could have done all year eg Oklahoma.

[Namy]

Against Penn State's defense? Not a chance. You dropped 32 on michigna 2 years ago and that defense wasn't as good as this, and SC's offense was better back then IMO.

As I said Earlier, 17-10 USC. PSU will keep it close but I think SC scores 10 unanswered in the 4th to win

That's the most subjective thing I've ever heard. The USC offense of two years ago and now had completely different players... they're essentially different teams. And Penn St and Michigan? They're not even the same university. That's no way to prove a point.

And don't be surprised if USC scores 40. I have my doubts too that that will happen b/c I believe USC's offense isn't all that good honestly. However, if Penn St. comes out with with opening game jitters or whatnot and allows USC to get a multiple possession lead early (which isn't all that unlikely), I could totally see USC scoring 40. With an early lead, Penn St would have to rely more and more on QB Clark to throw... and I do not like him against the USC defense.

Turnovers and 3-and-outs from the Penn St. offense could allow USC to dominate the field position battle. If that happens, then USC could have a shorter field to work with, meaning more and better opportunities to score.

With that said, the same can be said for USC. In my OPINION, their offense is not all that good (and especially not as good as their statistics may indicate). Penn St's defense is legit and if they can create TOs and force 3-and-outs on USC's offense, they wil give Penn st's offense more opportunities to score (and they'll need as many opportunities as they can get to score on USC). I think what's crucial by Penn St is smart play by Clark and his ability to run with his legs for positive yardage when the pocket collapses.

[USC_BOUND]

Well Zyro is right...we'd rather be playen in another bowl game than the rose bowl! 2 answer the question, i dont think they gotta shot at all...we've looked great in practice and got a few plays up or sleeves.

[princefielder28]

Well Zyro is right...we'd rather be playen in another bowl game than the rose bowl! 2 answer the question, i dont think they gotta shot at all...we've looked great in practice and got a few plays up or sleeves.

Looking great in practice is going to be the difference-maker :rolleyes:

[captainjack27]

Does Penn St have a chance? Well.... No, no they dont really. 40-10 with PSU's td coming late in the game after SC is already up big.

hahahahahahah...that's funny.

[captainjack27]

Well Zyro is right...we'd rather be playen in another bowl game than the rose bowl! 2 answer the question, i dont think they gotta shot at all...we've looked great in practice and got a few plays up or sleeves.


Wow...and I'm sure Penn State is sitting there doing nothing at all...what great insight...:rolleyes:

[captainjack27]

True there stats were inflated by a down year in the Pac 10. But the fact of the matter is, aside from the OrSt game, SC dominated their games against good competition and did exactly what they were supposed to do against their poor competition, use the games as practice sessions.

The honest truth is, that in my opinion, Penn St has NO chance against USC and there is really no point in arguing it other then for fun. What is a fact however and not just opinion is that USC right now has a more athletic, more experienced(excluding JoePA), better big game football team then Penn St and it is going to show next week.

Nothing against Penn St but I hope USC runs up the score on them just to prove my point, which they could have done all year eg Oklahoma.


You completely understimate PSU. USC has played in the worst BCS conference this year in a long time. PSU is an underdog, will they win? Probably not. But to say USC will kill them is ridiculous.

[soybean]

You completely understimate PSU. USC has played in the worst BCS conference this year in a long time. PSU is an underdog, will they win? Probably not. But to say USC will kill them is ridiculous.

such a dumb argument. so if the new york giants played in the WAC that means they suck because they play in the WAC?

I mean if you want to talk about penn state's defense or USC's lack of explosive offense etc. go ahead but don't use the conference determines how good a team is, cause that is just ********.

[captainjack27]

such a dumb argument. so if the new york giants played in the WAC that means they suck because they play in the WAC?

I mean if you want to talk about penn state's defense or USC's lack of explosive offense etc. go ahead but don't use the conference determines how good a team is, cause that is just ********.

Yes it does make a difference. Level of competition can determine a team's true skill level. That's why PSU and USC aren't in the NC. They couldn't go flawless in two terrible conferences. OU and UF both faltered in two of the toughest conferences in the NCAA. USC is very talented. You don't put up those defensive numbers by accident. However, if you can't possibly sit here and tell me that them playing in the Pac-10, with such great teams as Washington, Washington St. and UCLA doesn't help make that defense look better? Not going to lie, Penn State playing teams like Michigan and Indiana helps them out a lot too. However, I don't see how people can make a legitimate claim as to why PSU is going to get killed. When they have a great run game, and better Oline, and are in the top 5 I believe in most defensive categories, as well as USC. Why? Because USC killed OSU without Beanie Wells? And don't give me that it wouldn't of made a difference. Yes USC would have won the game still, but not by that embarassing fashion. USC is the more talented team, but talent does not always win you games.

[CC.SD]

Considering they allow 7.8 ppg, that seems pretty infallible.

QFT. No chance, sorry PSU fans.

[CroomDawgs]

I think USC will win, but I hope Penn State wins so SC fans can have a bad taste in their mouth

[CroomDawgs]

such a dumb argument. so if the new york giants played in the WAC that means they suck because they play in the WAC?

I mean if you want to talk about penn state's defense or USC's lack of explosive offense etc. go ahead but don't use the conference determines how good a team is, cause that is just ********.

Well lets put it this way the Pac-10 is prolly a big reason why USC is playing in Pasadena not Miami

[Whistler6]

Did anyone watch the Wisconsin Florida State game??? Highly rated recruits with speed and size simply dominated the Badgers is almost every phase of the game except for stopping PJ Hill.

I think this game plays out JUST like that. USC *should* dominate this game.

[captainjack27]

Did anyone watch the Wisconsin Florida State game??? Highly rated recruits with speed and size simply dominated the Badgers is almost every phase of the game except for stopping PJ Hill.

I think this game plays out JUST like that. USC *should* dominate this game.

Yea but PSU has faster and just overall better players than UW...considerably better players :confused:

[Whistler6]

Yea but PSU has faster and just overall better players than UW...considerably better players :confused:

Oh yeah I agree with you 100%. Penn State is the class of the Big 10 by far. My point is just that USC is better in nearly every position and has better athletes. Penn State could make this a grinder, but I don't see it. Not if USC plays to their full potential.

[iowatreat54]

If both USC and PSU play to their full potential, it still will not be a blow out. I think PSU will lose handily, but I'm hoping for a close game, and would laugh my ass off if PSU finds a way to win.

[Sniper]

Did anyone watch the Wisconsin Florida State game??? Highly rated recruits with speed and size simply dominated the Badgers is almost every phase of the game except for stopping PJ Hill.

I think this game plays out JUST like that. USC *should* dominate this game.

The same Wisconsin/FSU game that had the 4th ACC team against the 7th Big 10 team? Just wondering...

[Whistler6]

The same Wisconsin/FSU game that had the 4th ACC team against the 7th Big 10 team? Just wondering...

The 7th ranked Big 10 team that was top 10 in the entire NCAA earlier this season.. Yeah same game

[iowatreat54]

The 7th ranked Big 10 team that was top 10 in the entire NCAA earlier this season.. Yeah same game

Oh, preseason and first week matters? Why isn't Clemson in a BCS game and OSU win the Big Ten?

While we are at it, I think South Florida was ranked #2 at some point last year, why aren't they in the National Championship game?

[Sniper]

Oh, preseason and first week matters? Why isn't Clemson in a BCS game and OSU win the Big Ten?

While we are at it, I think South Florida was ranked #2 at some point last year, why aren't they in the National Championship game?

Oregon vs. BC vs. USF in a triple-threat match for the '07 national title. Get it done. Perhaps throw in a steel cage.

[Sniper]

The 7th ranked Big 10 team that was top 10 in the entire NCAA earlier this season.. Yeah same game

So, the same team that lost to Michigan? That same one? I refuse to take any team who lost to Michigan seriously. I say this as a full-fledged Michigan fan.

[captainjack27]

Oh yeah I agree with you 100%. Penn State is the class of the Big 10 by far. My point is just that USC is better in nearly every position and has better athletes. Penn State could make this a grinder, but I don't see it. Not if USC plays to their full potential.


The one advantage I think that is key is PSU O-Line. I wont doubt you that USC for the most part has pretty much better players at most positions. But the PSU OL vs. the USC DL could be an intriguing matchup

[captainjack27]

The 7th ranked Big 10 team that was top 10 in the entire NCAA earlier this season.. Yeah same game

That doesn't matter. Every year a couple teams who were thought to be top teams falter. The fact they got ranked top 10 in the first place was a joke IMO.

[McSealson1]

This game is going to go just like when Oklahoma pissed all over West Virginia last year, underdogs have no chance.

Oh wait...

[Whistler6]

Oh, preseason and first week matters? Why isn't Clemson in a BCS game and OSU win the Big Ten?

While we are at it, I think South Florida was ranked #2 at some point last year, why aren't they in the National Championship game?

My point is USC has better players and athletes... And I compared the FSU whipping of WI to what I think (opinion) USC will do to Penn State. Sorry you guys didn't get that

[iowatreat54]

My point is USC has better players and athletes... And I compared the FSU whipping of WI to what I think (opinion) USC will do to Penn State. Sorry you guys didn't get that

That was separate from how you said Wisconsin was a top 10 team 4 weeks into the season, which has absolutely nothing to do with how good they are at the end of the season. That has nothing to do with the team at the end of the year. So, if a team starts the season #1 and goes 0-12, that means they are the #1 team right? Oh, it doesn't? Wisconsin was only ranked highly due to preseason hype and beating terrible teams, not because they were a top 10 talent.

[Brsch57]

penn state will win

[Whistler6]

The same Wisconsin/FSU game that had the 4th ACC team against the 7th Big 10 team? Just wondering...


When I said that it was in response to this. I know WI was highly overrated and in no way was I saying they are or were a top 10 team.

Don't tell me what I was saying.. Maybe my words got jumbled but my sole point is WI couldn't contend with the athlete of FSU. AND I see USC doing to Penn State what FSU did to Wisconsin. There's no argument. It's simply an opinion of mine.

[Whistler6]

That was separate from how you said Wisconsin was a top 10 team 4 weeks into the season, which has absolutely nothing to do with how good they are at the end of the season. That has nothing to do with the team at the end of the year. So, if a team starts the season #1 and goes 0-12, that means they are the #1 team right? Oh, it doesn't? Wisconsin was only ranked highly due to preseason hype and beating terrible teams, not because they were a top 10 talent.

Obviously. WI is a bad football team. I am a WI fan and bet against them in nearly every game they played. I'm not a homer and wasn't trying to say they are a "good" team.

[diabsoule]

31-7 before halftime? I think its safe to say that Penn State does not have any shot against USC.

[captainjack27]

31-7 before halftime? I think its safe to say that Penn State does not have any shot against USC.

Yup...def. ****** up on this one.

[BuddyCHRIST]

USC is always so crisp in bowl games, Pete Carrol really gets his guys ready to play and focused while still enjoying themselves. All those studs they bring in help too, seems like they have 10 6'4" WR's against PSU's defense. Doesn't hurt that Sanchez is playing out of his mind.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Penn State showed a lot of class though. They played hard throughout, even though SC was rubbing it in their faces every second they still played hard and didn't try to show up SC, they knew they were going to lose but played hard throughout.

[TimD]

the last 2 min of the 1st half lost the game for us. if usc goes into the half with only 17 as opposed to 31, possibly different outcome

[Zyro_1014]

Penn State showed a lot of class though. They played hard throughout, even though SC was rubbing it in their faces every second they still played hard and didn't try to show up SC, they knew they were going to lose but played hard throughout.

how was USC rubbing it in their face?

[captainjack27]

the last 2 min of the 1st half lost the game for us. if usc goes into the half with only 17 as opposed to 31, possibly different outcome

Biggest play really was Green's fumble with a minute left. If we could have gotten maybe a field goal on that drive...it's 24-10. Instead, it's 31-7. They didn't give up, and almost got it to 7.

[Hines]

how was USC rubbing it in their face?

Up by a billion and still throwing the ball?

[Zyro_1014]

Up by a billion and still throwing the ball?

in the 3rd quarter....and on 3rd downs.

are we suppose to start playing conservative in the 3rd quarter? cmon.

[kalbears13]

That was the closest USC game I've been to. :)

[LonghornsLegend]

This is why I hate the Bowl season, never see the matchups you want to see...Why couldn't USC play Texas or Alabama? I barely even want to watch the Orange Bowl, every year the bowl season just isn't 100% satisfying and always leaves you wanting more.


I really hope Ohio State doesn't get blown away by Texas, I'd appreciate a good game down to the final minutes.

[Sniper]

This is why I hate the Bowl season, never see the matchups you want to see...Why couldn't USC play Texas or Alabama? I barely even want to watch the Orange Bowl, every year the bowl season just isn't 100% satisfying and always leaves you wanting more.


I really hope Ohio State doesn't get blown away by Texas, I'd appreciate a good game down to the final minutes.

Blargh....Watch Brian Orakpo make himself a lot of money by abusing the **** out of a mediocre OT who might be a backup RT in the pros. Should be exciting.

I'm happy for Chris Wells' last college game. Get him the **** out of Columbus.

[Zyro_1014]

This is why I hate the Bowl season, never see the matchups you want to see...Why couldn't USC play Texas or Alabama? I barely even want to watch the Orange Bowl, every year the bowl season just isn't 100% satisfying and always leaves you wanting more.


I really hope Ohio State doesn't get blown away by Texas, I'd appreciate a good game down to the final minutes.

yeah i would have loved a USC vs. Bama/Texas match up. I just wish they would make the game as good as it couple possibly be!

[PENNSTATEHOMER]

I actually don't think the game was that bad but maybe that is just because I am blindly loyal to Penn State. We really killed ourselves in the last 2-3 minutes of the 2nd quarter. And that dumb as hell off tackle run with a 190 pound RS FR RB when we needed 2 or 3 yards on 3rd down to keep a drive going in the 2nd quarter was really foolish.

If we don't give up 14 points to USC in the last 2-3 minutes of the 2nd Q (go in 17-7), or a TD/FG (27-7), just a TD (24-7), or just a FG (20-7) I actually believe we could have made it a pretty competitive game. But as it unfolded, with Evan Royster not returning to the game and Stephfon Green breaking a pretty big gain on a screen only to fumble...we were absolutely screwed down 31-7 at half...GAME OVER.

Quite a few USC fans are saying that Pete called the dogs off, but they were throwing all over in the 3rd and got that gimme TD off horrible S play on our part. Their D was still doing line stunts, still blitzing, still had all the starters in during the 4th Q. so I was proud that we didn't fold and actually made it respectable.

We had a true freshmen RB in Brandon Beachum out there with 3-4 minutes left in the game, if we pick up that line stunt or Beachum doesn't just release and let DClark get drilled...we could have made it a one score game with plenty of time for an onside kick or a gut check moment for USC and/or OUR D.

All in all, no excuses. USC dominated, they didn't rub it in at all and the Taylor May's hit didn't upset me other then it sucked seeing Jordan Norwood getting destroyed. If any other team is sending a WR across the middle on a deep post, chances are the WR isn't 5'10 170 pounds at best...Mays was doing what he does and what he does is enforce at 6'4/6'3 230-ish pounds. Any other WR and that is probably a kill shot to the chest, plus I think Norwood tried to get down and knew trouble was on the way as soon as he grabbed that pass...I was impressed that Norwood was back in the game and showing no ill effects of the hit.

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Our secondary was exposed, our MLB was also exposed. We got poor pass rush efforts from the DL but they did admirably against the run, except for the occasional 10-12-15 yard gashing. Ridiculously poor individual S play on Scirrotto's part, still living off his 6 INTs in 2006...6'3 225 NJ S Gerald Hodges can't get enrolled soon enough, thank the lord that this entire secondary graduates...although I was impressed with a few blows that CB Lydell Sargaent delivered given his size. Our inability or unwillingness to mix up coverages and replace Scirrotto with a smaller Astorino who was actually doing something out there (3rd & short tackle forcing FG, punching the ball out of a USC WRs hands on a deep post) pisses me off. Justin King leaving after a subpar '07 as a junior, having had a dominant sophomore year in '07 and having Sean Lee out and Josh Hull as our MLB was death in a game like this. Having S Scirrotto, S Rubin & MLB Hull = EPIC FAIL, Rubin is a good 8th guy in the box, great run defender and short/curl type defender but beyond that he is very average as a safety.

Scirrotto doesn't tackle well and hasn't made the big play with the INT this season so he has become very expendable while looking ahead to '09. Thank god for the additions of guys like 4* QB Kevin Newsome, two 6'7 OTs (Eric Shrive being one of the two), 4* DE Sean Stanley, 4* MLB Glenn Carson, 4* top 10 CB Darrell Givens, 4* S Gerald Hodges and so on. Some very key guys and some guys enrolling early (C Ty Howle, QB Kevin Newsome, S Gerald Hodges, K Anthony Fera). I think we're going to have some talent upgrades just from a physical standpoint and athleticism standpoint at OT, DB & S.

[dhp318]

USC is always so crisp in bowl games, Pete Carrol really gets his guys ready to play and focused while still enjoying themselves. All those studs they bring in help too, seems like they have 10 6'4" WR's against PSU's defense. Doesn't hurt that Sanchez is playing out of his mind.

lol, they started playing almost prevent defense and running like 80% of the time in the 4th quarter. What did you want them to do? Kneel it for an entire quarter?

[kwilk103]

lol, they started playing almost prevent defense and running like 80% of the time in the 4th quarter. What did you want them to do? Kneel it for an entire quarter?

nah, just fake punt it while up 35