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D-Unit
12-08-2008, 06:51 PM
I know this is crazy for me to say. The Giants are arguably the best team in the NFL, especially if you believe all the media pundits. ...and I'm not a Giants hater or anything so don't take it as that. But just by an outside hunch and sideline observation, I think the Giants might have reached a turning point to their season and the team that we once knew as a mighty champ, might be on the verge of a downward spiral.

I think things have finally caught up to them. For several reasons...

1a. It's a numbers thing. The loss of Plax is just one guy, just another number off the roster... you might think the Giants can get by this one... but I think it's a bigger deal than what most people think. Mark it down in the growing count under the column "Players Lost from the SB season". Strahan retired. Shockey moved on. Kawika Mitchell, Reggie Torbor, Gibril Wilson left for greener pastures. Osi was lost in the preseason. Tyree and Olivera got put on IR. ...and the guys expected to fill in have not come to full rescue. Kevin Boss was supposed to have a breakout season. Sammy Knight was supposed to fill in for Gibril Wilson. Danny Clark was supposed to fill in at SLB but draft talk is already being discussed at that position. Goff was also lost so that draft pick wasn't able to shore up any rescue there. Tyree's impact wasn't supposed to be huge, but most thought Manningham and Moss would have developed quick enough and they haven't. ...and we haven't seen the same Steve Smith that lit up the playoffs to be quite honest. Aaron Ross has been banged up. Now Brandon Jacobs hobbling off the field yesterday just compounds the situation exponentially. These are key players that can't just be substituted easily and people can expect things to be the same. The Giants have prepared well to be a team that's not dependent on any one guy and I admire that. But when the list starts to get that long, no team can overcome that for the long haul.

1b. No Plax, No gas. Now true, the Giants have won without Plax. But I don't think that's tells the real story. I think that was a mirage. You won a game here and there without him. However, I don't think the Giants can sustain winning over a long period of time without him. This is the number that puts the situation over the top. This is the threashold. The leaky drops have turned into a down right down pour. He's too much of a key relieable target for Eli... especially in the red zone... and especially when Eli needed a big play. Without that threat, the Giants offensive attack is not balanced. I think we saw that yesterday. I think Eli hit it on the head in his post game interview. They couldn't get the key play that is normally there for them. Without Plax defenses don't have to send double coverage in his direction. They can play the Giants honestly and not be afraid. Hixon is a promising player, but even Giants fans have to admit that he does not bring to the table the same thing Plax did. None of the remaining healthy receivers do. His loss allowed a finesse Philly defense to hold the Giants at 88 yards rushing.

3. Media distractions. They're baaaaaaaack. The once quiet NY media is now all a fuss over this whole Plax story. Ask Antonio Peirce if Plax's situation hasn't affected him? Wait.. you might not be able to... he's in the middle of talking with investigators and detectives... It's poured out onto the rest of the team. Now they have to deal with every question that comes their way regarding it. They can't just think and focus about the next game. It's become an untimely bothersome distraction.

4. The Eagles just wrote the book on how to beat the Giants. The story has yet to be told, but let's be real, that game was at home for the Giants and they should've beaten this lowly Eagles who now all of a sudden are now back in the race! The way Brian Westbrook dismantled the Giants D was impressive. The way the Philly D contained the Giants O also sent a big message. The blue print is out there.... just at the wrong time for the Giants. Wanna know how bad it is in Giantsland? They clinched the NFC East Title and it doesn't even feel good.

Giantsfan1080
12-09-2008, 12:21 AM
Wow their is a lot to go over there. Briefly their are a lot of mistakes in 1A so give me a day and then I'll come back to this. I do think we beat you guys on Sunday.

NY+Giants=NYG
12-09-2008, 08:30 AM
The Eagles did nothing of the sort. Bengals, second half of the Skins game, and Browns game did that. The blue print was there but no one could do it. The Eagles did a good job with their week and a half to prepare, just like the Browns did with 2 weeks. But in football finding a blue print isn't that hard to do. We used the Ravens, Browns, and Eagles game from last year to beat the Pats.

Jughead10
12-09-2008, 08:53 AM
I know this is crazy for me to say. The Giants are arguably the best team in the NFL, especially if you believe all the media pundits. ...and I'm not a Giants hater or anything so don't take it as that. But just by an outside hunch and sideline observation, I think the Giants might have reached a turning point to their season and the team that we once knew as a mighty champ, might be on the verge of a downward spiral.

I think things have finally caught up to them. For several reasons...

1a. It's a numbers thing. The loss of Plax is just one guy, just another number off the roster... you might think the Giants can get by this one... but I think it's a bigger deal than what most people think. Mark it down in the growing count under the column "Players Lost from the SB season". Strahan retired. Shockey moved on. Kawika Mitchell, Reggie Torbor, Gibril Wilson left for greener pastures. Osi was lost in the preseason. Tyree and Olivera got put on IR. ...and the guys expected to fill in have not come to full rescue. Kevin Boss was supposed to have a breakout season. Sammy Knight was supposed to fill in for Gibril Wilson. Danny Clark was supposed to fill in at SLB but draft talk is already being discussed at that position. Goff was also lost so that draft pick wasn't able to shore up any rescue there. Tyree's impact wasn't supposed to be huge, but most thought Manningham and Moss would have developed quick enough and they haven't. ...and we haven't seen the same Steve Smith that lit up the playoffs to be quite honest. Aaron Ross has been banged up. Now Brandon Jacobs hobbling off the field yesterday just compounds the situation exponentially. These are key players that can't just be substituted easily and people can expect things to be the same. The Giants have prepared well to be a team that's not dependent on any one guy and I admire that. But when the list starts to get that long, no team can overcome that for the long haul.

I'll just start with 1A as well. A lot of those guys who left were extremely expendable. The only one I wish we still had is Wilson. Mitchell has played well in Buffalo, but he is very average. Shane Olivea was not on the team last year and was in camp with us for about a week. If he made the team, he was going to be one of the last guys to do so. Kevin Boss is playing pretty damn well. I don't know what you expected as far as a breakout, but I've got no problems with Boss. We have draft talk at the SLB position because Danny Clark signed a one year contract. We might have to find another two down linebacker next year. That is correct. Goff was lost? He was a fifth round draft pick, he has tons of time to develop. He may or he may not, but he is depth at this point. No one was counting on Moss or Manningham. Most wanted Moss cut and Manningham is a rookie. Our first two draft picks are playing quite well.

We have seen the same Steve Smith that lit up the playoffs. I don't know what you are watching. He just isn't a fantasy player, so some people mistake that for not playing well. He is still doing exactly what he did in the playoffs.

Geo
12-09-2008, 12:13 PM
The Giants need to win one more game to guarantee themselves a first round bye, pretty good.

And Carolina's remaining schedule isn't a cakewalk either I heard, so we'll see if Big Blue potentially loses its season-long grasp of the first overall seed in the NFC.

Now what is interesting is wondering how much homefield advantage actually helps the Giants, I suppose.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 01:02 PM
I'll just start with 1A as well. A lot of those guys who left were extremely expendable. The only one I wish we still had is Wilson. Mitchell has played well in Buffalo, but he is very average. Shane Olivea was not on the team last year and was in camp with us for about a week. If he made the team, he was going to be one of the last guys to do so. Kevin Boss is playing pretty damn well. I don't know what you expected as far as a breakout, but I've got no problems with Boss. We have draft talk at the SLB position because Danny Clark signed a one year contract. We might have to find another two down linebacker next year. That is correct. Goff was lost? He was a fifth round draft pick, he has tons of time to develop. He may or he may not, but he is depth at this point. No one was counting on Moss or Manningham. Most wanted Moss cut and Manningham is a rookie. Our first two draft picks are playing quite well.

We have seen the same Steve Smith that lit up the playoffs. I don't know what you are watching. He just isn't a fantasy player, so some people mistake that for not playing well. He is still doing exactly what he did in the playoffs.
Thanks for the corrections. I understand those guys I mentioned were expendable, but you still needed to replace them and I don't think the replacements came through. Like I said... Sammy Knight hit the IR... Danny Clark... well there's a reason why you're talking draft instead of contract extension... Kevin Boss is playing alright, but he's not the weapon or threat that Shockey was... he honestly doesn't scare anyone like Shockey used to... although that said, Shockey doesn't scare anyone else these days either... bottomline, you lost something there now that your TE doesn't keep Defensive Coordinators up at night... People want Moss cut because like I said, he hasn't developed fast enough... I agree the jury is still out on Manningham... but his number might be called sooner rather than later... Steve Smith played a big impact as a rookie... and you're right, he's still doing about the same as he did in the playoffs... I guess I expected him to be one of the bigger beneficiaries of Eli's targets now that Shockey left... he was another breakout candidate who has basically stayed in neutral, imo... solid player, don't get me wrong.

Still, I think you've lost too many numbers... whether they be starters or depth guys.

Jughead10
12-09-2008, 01:24 PM
Thanks for the corrections. I understand those guys I mentioned were expendable, but you still needed to replace them and I don't think the replacements came through. Like I said... Sammy Knight hit the IR... Danny Clark... well there's a reason why you're talking draft instead of contract extension... Kevin Boss is playing alright, but he's not the weapon or threat that Shockey was... he honestly doesn't scare anyone like Shockey used to... although that said, Shockey doesn't scare anyone else these days either... bottomline, you lost something there now that your TE doesn't keep Defensive Coordinators up at night... People want Moss cut because like I said, he hasn't developed fast enough... I agree the jury is still out on Manningham... but his number might be called sooner rather than later... Steve Smith played a big impact as a rookie... and you're right, he's still doing about the same as he did in the playoffs... I guess I expected him to be one of the bigger beneficiaries of Eli's targets now that Shockey left... he was another breakout candidate who has basically stayed in neutral, imo... solid player, don't get me wrong.

Still, I think you've lost too many numbers... whether they be starters or depth guys.

Sammy Knight never played for us. He was a special team guy, when he was active. Which wasn't always. As for Clark the reason we are talking draft instead of contract extension is his age. When we signed him, I think we all pretty much knew it was just a one year thing. Maybe we bring him back on another one year deal? But there is no reason to sign him long term.

I don't think we've lost too many numbers at all. Minus Plax this is the same team we've had all season. And we've done pretty well so far.

Heywood Jabuzof
12-09-2008, 01:56 PM
Excellent points. So, your Cowboys should have no problems next Sunday night, right?

Gay Ork Wang
12-09-2008, 01:57 PM
Giants better not falter, they have to beat the vikings

captainjack27
12-09-2008, 02:03 PM
You make good points, but I'm chalking up last sunday's game to a lack of focus and possible over confidence. I think that Tom Coughlin well straighten the team out and they'll regain focus. The one point that you made though that struck me the most was about them not having Plax. I think come playoff time, if a team can shut down that running game (though a tough task) I think the loss of a bigtime target like Plax will really hurt them. I know Steve Smith and Hixon have been big contributors, but to me, they need a big redzone target receiver. Other than that, I think the team will be fine. They've had most of the current team the whole year. I think they'll stay focused and ignore the media distractions. And as for the Eagles, Jim Johnson is a helluva D- Coordinator, really only Dick LeBeau and Monte Kiffin come to mind as other coordinators that could gameplan to beat the Giants. And LeBeau (although costly turnovers doomed Pitt more than anything) already lost to the giants.

skiinginNJ
12-09-2008, 03:06 PM
not to take anything away from the eagles, who played very well, but the giants looked absolutely lost on offense.


they were dropping passes left and right, recievers were running the wrong routes, they never seemed to try and establish thier running game as well as in the past, ect. i think you would have to see another game when they look that bad, both offensively and defensively (they couldnt stop philly on 3rd down, its unlikely a team can perform that well on 3rd down consistently).

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 04:33 PM
Excellent points. So, your Cowboys should have no problems next Sunday night, right?
I have a strong hunch that the Giants will lose. That's all this post is. A hunch that the Giants are going to tailspin and some reasons why I think so. Doesn't mean it's going to come true. Just stating what I see/feel.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 04:37 PM
not to take anything away from the eagles, who played very well, but the giants looked absolutely lost on offense.


they were dropping passes left and right, recievers were running the wrong routes, they never seemed to try and establish thier running game as well as in the past, ect. i think you would have to see another game when they look that bad, both offensively and defensively (they couldnt stop philly on 3rd down, its unlikely a team can perform that well on 3rd down consistently).
Yeah, that could be it. A loss is not enough to say they're doomed already. I am saying though, that I think the tailspin has already begun and more can be expected. I don't think they'll go undefeated the rest of the regular season as many still think.

Heywood Jabuzof
12-09-2008, 05:58 PM
I have a strong hunch that the Giants will lose. That's all this post is. A hunch that the Giants are going to tailspin and some reasons why I think so. Doesn't mean it's going to come true. Just stating what I see/feel.

I see/feel that after the demoralizing loss in Pittsburgh, the Cowboys are going to go into an even bigger tailspin.

Giants - Little tailspin
Cowboys - Big tailspin

Giants win. lol.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 06:27 PM
I see/feel that after the demoralizing loss in Pittsburgh, the Cowboys are going to go into an even bigger tailspin.

Giants - Little tailspin
Cowboys - Big tailspin

Giants win. lol.
You need to improve your sarcasm. The loss was tough because we were so close to beating them... but hardly demoralizing as you'd like to "see/feel". Not like they couldn't hang with the 10-3 Steelers. I find it funny... when the Cowboys win in convincing fashion over the 9ers and Seahawks, it's thought of as expected... yet when the NY Jets lose to the 9ers and NE Patriots barely beat the Seahawks no one says a thing. Interesting, ain't it.

NY™
12-09-2008, 07:16 PM
The last three times the Giants have lost they have rebounded very well. Take it back to last year, the last loss was against the Patriots in the regular season. We had the momentum going into the playoffs, and from there it's history. Our first loss this season was against Cleveland, after that they returned to their normal ways of running the football, getting consistent pass rush, and continuing to beat their opponents physically and on the board.

They lost to philly last week, and you can say many reasons why they lost, most will say because they weren't focused. I was actually hoping that at some point they would lose, just a game to bring them back to earth and to pick up some momentum going into the playoffs. However, it was sooner than I had expected it to be.

I'm not saying that the Giants will destroy the Cowboys or anything like that, in fact I'm worried that they are traveling to Dallas to play them. I think that we can expect a better performance on both sides of the ball this week from the Giants.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 07:25 PM
The last three times the Giants have lost they have rebounded very well. Take it back to last year, the last loss was against the Patriots in the regular season. We had the momentum going into the playoffs, and from there it's history. Our first loss this season was against Cleveland, after that they returned to their normal ways of running the football, getting consistent pass rush, and continuing to beat their opponents physically and on the board.

They lost to philly last week, and you can say many reasons why they lost, most will say because they weren't focused. I was actually hoping that at some point they would lose, just a game to bring them back to earth and to pick up some momentum going into the playoffs. However, it was sooner than I had expected it to be.

But that does serve cause for hope. Maybe things will continue. I have my doubts all things considered though.
I'm not saying that the Giants will destroy the Cowboys or anything like that, in fact I'm worried that they are traveling to Dallas to play them. I think that we can expect a better performance on both sides of the ball this week from the Giants.
I don't think history is ever a really good indicator. So many variables are different.

Heywood Jabuzof
12-09-2008, 07:41 PM
You need to improve your sarcasm. The loss was tough because we were so close to beating them... but hardly demoralizing as you'd like to "see/feel". Not like they couldn't hang with the 10-3 Steelers. I find it funny... when the Cowboys win in convincing fashion over the 9ers and Seahawks, it's thought of as expected... yet when the NY Jets lose to the 9ers and NE Patriots barely beat the Seahawks no one says a thing. Interesting, ain't it.
Cowboys come off an epic joke job, and the Cowboys fans start predicting a tailspin for the Giants. One can dream, I suppose.

I mean, yeah, the Giants lost. But, they were long overdue for a loss. A letdown was bound to happen sometime. You can't win 'em all. The Giants just didn't match the intensity of the Eagles, simple as that. That doesn't mean that the Giants are suddenly a bad team. They are still the team they were a week prior to that. A fundamentaly sound team that plays good defense and can run the ball. That didn't just suddenly change because of one loss.

The Cowboys just proved once again that they can't beat a worthy opponent when it matters. How many above average teams have the Cowboys beaten this year? Tampa Bay, Washington (once) and Philly. Yippy, whippy.

December + Meaningfull game + Good opponent = Dallas loss

I know you don't like to use history as an indicator, but man, that formula has been spot on for the past half decade. Why has that happened, you might ask? Because the Cowboys are all flash and no substance. A bunch of Superstars that can't play as a team. Jerruh doesn't care about winning as much as he has you believing. He's a businessman first, and he's got your money. You'll be back next year, look at all that talent!

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 08:02 PM
Cowboys come off an epic joke job, and the Cowboys fans start predicting a tailspin for the Giants. One can dream, I suppose.

I mean, yeah, the Giants lost. But, they were long overdue for a loss. A letdown was bound to happen sometime. You can't win 'em all. The Giants just didn't match the intensity of the Eagles, simple as that. That doesn't mean that the Giants are suddenly a bad team. They are still the team they were a week prior to that. A fundamentaly sound team that plays good defense and can run the ball. That didn't just suddenly change because of one loss.

The Cowboys just proved once again that they can't beat a worthy opponent when it matters. How many above average teams have the Cowboys beaten this year? Tampa Bay, Washington (once) and Philly. Yippy, whippy.

December + Meaningfull game + Good opponent = Dallas loss

I know you don't like to use history as an indicator, but man, that formula has been spot on for the past half decade. Why has that happened, you might ask? Because the Cowboys are all flash and no substance. A bunch of Superstars that can't play as a team. Jerruh doesn't care about winning as much as he has you believing. He's a businessman first, and he's got your money. You'll be back next year, look at all that talent!
Once again, this has nothing to do with the Cowboys. The Cowboys could lose out the rest of the year. That's a fact and I don't deny it.

But for the reasons noted, I think the Giants are headed for disaster and I can easily see them losing their first game of the playoffs.

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 08:56 PM
Personally, I don't think the Giants are spiralling downward. They had a subpar performance this past week, though to be honest, the Eagles did a great job gameplanning and executing. We took the Ginats off guard by sticking to the run (took me off guard as well, but in a good way) Our defnese manned up and kep the best rushign attack to less than half of it normal productivity. Sure the Giants were out of synch, but honestly, the Eagles defnese did contribute to that more than some people are giving them credit for. That being said, they will not implode in the final three weeks of the season. Tom Coughlin won't let it happen. They may lose another game, but I expect it to be after they clinch home field. They have a tough finish playing two very good opponents in Dallas and Carolina (don't know who the other one is) but I think they are still a good enough team to beat the Cowboys and Carolina. The Giants could end up with two more losses, I could easily see that if the Panthers put together another performance like they did last night. Honestly though, the Giants, even if they lose two out of three, they are still in good shape for the playoffs.

I would honestly be more concerned if I were a Dallas fan. The history is undeniable, and I know it doesn't directly affect this year's team, but I'm sure there are times when Romo thinks about all the taunting he got from his late season failures. I love Romo, and think he is a great QB, but I don't know if he has the emotional toughness of some NFL QBs. I don't expect dallas to choke it up either though, but thier record in December, combined with Romo's numbers, would worry me if I was a Dallas fan. I think The Giants-Cowboys gmae will be great this week, it will be a close match, but I honeslty expect the Giants to win, albeit by a small margin. If they lose though, I wouldn't expect them to win against the Panthers, which really makes my whole argument a moot point. This game will be a great indicator for both teams.

scottyboy
12-09-2008, 09:02 PM
not gonna lie, Westbrook is known for killing the Giants. We somehow stuffed him earlier this season, but he's just an animal who always seems to kill the Giants.

that andn it was so ******* windy, even for the Meadowlands(even moreso, that's pretty damn windy) and we didn't have our starting RB. I think we struggle too much in the cold at home, but I think we'll be fine.

must I find the resiliency video? :D

NY™
12-09-2008, 09:06 PM
not gonna lie, Westbrook is known for killing the Giants. We somehow stuffed him earlier this season, but he's just an animal who always seems to kill the Giants.

that andn it was so ******* windy, even for the Meadowlands(even moreso, that's pretty damn windy) and we didn't have our starting RB. I think we struggle too much in the cold at home, but I think we'll be fine.

must I find the resiliency video? :D

Westbrook wasn't 100% in that 1st meeting ... and yeah he's a Giant Killer, he's always played well against us, doesn't matter what the situation is, regular season, post season, playing for a wild card, etc.

I think not having BJ hurt, but looking at the time of possession the eagles dominated us in that category in the 2nd half and I'm not sure having Jacobs would have been much of a factor especially since the defense wouldn't get off the field after third downs.

scottyboy
12-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Westbrook wasn't 100% in that 1st meeting ... and yeah he's a Giant Killer, he's always played well against us, doesn't matter what the situation is, regular season, post season, playing for a wild card, etc.

I think not having BJ hurt, but looking at the time of possession the eagles dominated us in that category in the 2nd half and I'm not sure having Jacobs would have been much of a factor especially since the defense wouldn't get off the field after third downs.

yea, but westy's never 100% haha. but yes, he was more healthy on Sunday.

Jacobs punishes and tires defenses, that's how it is. His presence alone changes the game. I like Ward, but we need to keep Jacobs and not him if we have a choice. You can find average Rb's who are good at many things but not great at anything to thrive behind our OL. Jacobs is a key cog in our wheel.

We do need a big, tall gamebreaker, ala Kenny Britt.

NY™
12-09-2008, 09:14 PM
yea, but westy's never 100% haha. but yes, he was more healthy on Sunday.

Jacobs punishes and tires defenses, that's how it is. His presence alone changes the game. I like Ward, but we need to keep Jacobs and not him if we have a choice. You can find average Rb's who are good at many things but not great at anything to thrive behind our OL. Jacobs is a key cog in our wheel.

We do need a big, tall gamebreaker, ala Kenny Britt.

I'm not disagreeing with you here, I think Jacobs is crucial to the offense, he sets the tempo and the style of the game. In fact people are putting Eli in MVP categories when I wouldn't even say he is the MVP to our own team, Jacobs is. If you watched a game with Jacobs playing and a game with him not, you will notice that the way the Giants play on offense and run the ball is much different.

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:17 PM
not gonna lie, Westbrook is known for killing the Giants. We somehow stuffed him earlier this season, but he's just an animal who always seems to kill the Giants.

that andn it was so ******* windy, even for the Meadowlands(even moreso, that's pretty damn windy) and we didn't have our starting RB. I think we struggle too much in the cold at home, but I think we'll be fine.

must I find the resiliency video? :D

IT is true, but Westy is our version of your Tiki, now you are getting your payback, haha.

That wind was amazing. I was surprised, because usually when there is wind like that in Northern NJ, it is just the smae where I live in the middle of Eastern PA. The winds were what 25-35 mph. It was windy earlier in the day where I live, but at gametime, the winds were 10 mph at the most. It was a big factor in the game, but ultimately it woudln't have changed the game too much. I know gameplanning is different in those situations, but like was said numerous times, that weather favored the Giants more than the Eagles. Just sayin, I don't want to cause anything. As said before, Jacobs leaving woudln't have hade much effect with how the Eagles were (miraculously) soaking up the clock. Granted it hurts, but I don't think it would have made that much of an impact.

renegade
12-09-2008, 09:17 PM
not gonna lie, Westbrook is known for killing the Giants. We somehow stuffed him earlier this season, but he's just an animal who always seems to kill the Giants.

He was hurt the first game. He was hurt most of the season and when he was healthy Andy seemed to abandon the run. But the last two games Marty has been calling the plays so the running game is back. :D

Also I find it funny that a Cowboy's fan has the audacity to say that the Giants are going to collapse. Am I the only one who sees the irony?


I had to do it! :D
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scottyboy
12-09-2008, 09:17 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you here, I think Jacobs is crucial to the offense, he sets the tempo and the style of the game. In fact people are putting Eli in MVP categories when I wouldn't even say he is the MVP to our own team, Jacobs is. If you watched a game with Jacobs playing and a game with him not, you will notice that the way the Giants play on offense and run the ball is much different.

right on, well put. I'd say our OL is more MVP than Jacobs, but that's how most Giants fans feel and MVP is more one player and all that jazz.

Very nice to see another knowledgeable Giants poster around, I like yourr style.

We were off our game, no doubt about it. Did all the Plax distractions and not having him hurt? they damn sure didn't help. Jacobs being out hurt, and yea, we are wearing down a bit. We still kept it fairly close and our secondary still looked pretty good. I think we'll be ok, I really do.

oh, and one thing NY: who do you like for the Giants in this coming draft?(answer in the draft thread, I want to pick your brain! :D)

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:21 PM
yea, but westy's never 100% haha. but yes, he was more healthy on Sunday.

Jacobs punishes and tires defenses, that's how it is. His presence alone changes the game. I like Ward, but we need to keep Jacobs and not him if we have a choice. You can find average Rb's who are good at many things but not great at anything to thrive behind our OL. Jacobs is a key cog in our wheel.

We do need a big, tall gamebreaker, ala Kenny Britt.

It showed how healthy he was on Sunday, he really stepped it up.

He does change games, but as said before, in that situation, with the Giants really not seein gthe needed action on offense, his impact would have been lessened. He is one fo the vital weapons of your offense. I wouldn't mind seeing him go somewhere else.

I like Kenny Britt, and now with Plax's future in question, I think he would be a good fit for the G-men. I also think he would be great for the Eagles. What is the news on him scotty, is he going to declare? I think if he does, he has a solid shot at the second or third round.

scottyboy
12-09-2008, 09:24 PM
It showed how healthy he was on Sunday, he really stepped it up.

He does change games, but as said before, in that situation, with the Giants really not seein gthe needed action on offense, his impact would have been lessened. He is one fo the vital weapons of your offense. I wouldn't mind seeing him go somewhere else.

I like Kenny Britt, and now with Plax's future in question, I think he would be a good fit for the G-men. I also think he would be great for the Eagles. What is the news on him scotty, is he going to declare? I think if he does, he has a solid shot at the second or third round.

he's not really sure, he and his dad have been very good on keeping it mum. If he enters, the Saints pick would be an ideal spot for the Giants to pick him. He's gonna skyrocket with the combine, especially his strength and size and speed. No way he'd slip past the mid-2nd IMO.

but again, damn that Westy is so damn good. A big east rival grad and plays for a team i wish would burn in a car fire, but I can't hate him. I just can't

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:25 PM
He was hurt the first game. He was hurt most of the season and when he was healthy Andy seemed to abandon the run. But the last two games Marty has been calling the plays so the running game is back. :D

Also I find it funny that a Cowboy's fan has the audacity to say that the Giants are going to collapse. Am I the only one who sees the irony?


I had to do it! :D
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That block is one of my favorite blocked FG attempts in the history of the NFL. Just absolute sheer will and great athletecism, combined with good scouting for my favorite team puts that at the top for me.

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:27 PM
he's not really sure, he and his dad have been very good on keeping it mum. If he enters, the Saints pick would be an ideal spot for the Giants to pick him. He's gonna skyrocket with the combine, especially his strength and size and speed. No way he'd slip past the mid-2nd IMO.

but again, damn that Westy is so damn good. A big east rival grad and plays for a team i wish would burn in a car fire, but I can't hate him. I just can't

I honestly felt the same way about Tiki. It was notched out twice a year the Giants would come in and no matter what Tiki would have a great game. He cause fits for the defnese, but he just was a great player and wasn't an A-hole, and despite the fact he is on a division rival I really liked him a lot. He was one of the players that earned his respect.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 09:30 PM
Personally, I don't think the Giants are spiralling downward. They had a subpar performance this past week, though to be honest, the Eagles did a great job gameplanning and executing. We took the Ginats off guard by sticking to the run (took me off guard as well, but in a good way) Our defnese manned up and kep the best rushign attack to less than half of it normal productivity. Sure the Giants were out of synch, but honestly, the Eagles defnese did contribute to that more than some people are giving them credit for. That being said, they will not implode in the final three weeks of the season. Tom Coughlin won't let it happen. They may lose another game, but I expect it to be after they clinch home field. They have a tough finish playing two very good opponents in Dallas and Carolina (don't know who the other one is) but I think they are still a good enough team to beat the Cowboys and Carolina. The Giants could end up with two more losses, I could easily see that if the Panthers put together another performance like they did last night. Honestly though, the Giants, even if they lose two out of three, they are still in good shape for the playoffs.

I would honestly be more concerned if I were a Dallas fan. The history is undeniable, and I know it doesn't directly affect this year's team, but I'm sure there are times when Romo thinks about all the taunting he got from his late season failures. I love Romo, and think he is a great QB, but I don't know if he has the emotional toughness of some NFL QBs. I don't expect dallas to choke it up either though, but thier record in December, combined with Romo's numbers, would worry me if I was a Dallas fan. I think The Giants-Cowboys gmae will be great this week, it will be a close match, but I honeslty expect the Giants to win, albeit by a small margin. If they lose though, I wouldn't expect them to win against the Panthers, which really makes my whole argument a moot point. This game will be a great indicator for both teams.
You kinda made it sound ok if they lose 2 out of 3... that actually turns into losing 3 out of 4 and that's not the kind of momentum you want heading into the playoffs. If they lose 2 out of 3, I'd call that a tailspin.

As for the Cowboys... meh. Someone could make a thread about how they won't make the playoffs. ...and that's not saying much at all... they have to overcome a lot of odds and there's a lot of worry. No doubt about it. That's a fact. On the other hand, everyone thinks everything in Giantsland is ladi-da and nothing is wrong. ...that they're in great shape. I'm saying, they're not.

scottyboy
12-09-2008, 09:32 PM
You kinda made it sound ok if they lose 2 out of 3... that actually turns into losing 3 out of 4 and that's not the kind of momentum you want heading into the playoffs. If they lose 2 out of 3, I'd call that a tailspin.

As for the Cowboys... meh. Someone could make a thread about how they won't make the playoffs. ...and that's not saying much at all... they have to overcome a lot of odds and there's a lot of worry. No doubt about it. That's a fact. On the other hand, everyone thinks everything in Giantsland is ladi-da and nothing is wrong. ...that they're in great shape. I'm saying, they're not.

oh you've obviously never visited bigblueinteractive.com

oh geez! trust me, that's not the mindset right now haha :D

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 09:33 PM
yea, but westy's never 100% haha. but yes, he was more healthy on Sunday.

Jacobs punishes and tires defenses, that's how it is. His presence alone changes the game. I like Ward, but we need to keep Jacobs and not him if we have a choice. You can find average Rb's who are good at many things but not great at anything to thrive behind our OL. Jacobs is a key cog in our wheel.

We do need a big, tall gamebreaker, ala Kenny Britt.
Yeah, I mentioned seeing Jacobs hobble off the field was another bad sign. All these things adding up... I just forsee a tailspin.

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:35 PM
You kinda made it sound ok if they lose 2 out of 3... that actually turns into losing 3 out of 4 and that's not the kind of momentum you want heading into the playoffs. If they lose 2 out of 3, I'd call that a tailspin.

As for the Cowboys... meh. Someone could make a thread about how they won't make the playoffs. ...and that's not saying much at all... they have to overcome a lot of odds and there's a lot of worry. No doubt about it. That's a fact. On the other hand, everyone thinks everything in Giantsland is ladi-da and nothing is wrong. ...that they're in great shape. I'm saying, they're not.

My very last sentence I said if the Giants lose to the Cowboys and the Panthers my whole stement is pretty much moot. I don't think the Giants will lose the the Cowboys, that is just how I see it. The point I was trying to make with my last sentence was if they lose both those games, then thay may be in trouble. Sorry for the confusion.

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:38 PM
Yeah, I mentioned seeing Jacobs hobble off the field was another bad sign. All these things adding up... I just forsee a tailspin.

Just out of curiosity, what are your feelings about the Eagles. Honestly, it is difficult to be 100% beleiving that we will run the table and make the playoffs. I have a horrible feeling that they will lift my hopes this week and next against the Skins, only to play a horrible game and break my heart against the Cowboys, even if the Cowboys are in a December bellyflop.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 09:42 PM
He was hurt the first game. He was hurt most of the season and when he was healthy Andy seemed to abandon the run. But the last two games Marty has been calling the plays so the running game is back. :D

Also I find it funny that a Cowboy's fan has the audacity to say that the Giants are going to collapse. Am I the only one who sees the irony?


I had to do it! :D
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There's no irony in the fact that I'm a Cowboys fan. I might be noticing this more because I'm a rival fan, but that's about it. Maybe I notice things more because I'm a rival fan. But I laid out my thoughts and reasons for my thinking. It's easy for you guys to say it's odd that a Cowboys fan would say this, but it's not really. I'm not bashing the Giants. I'm not saying they suck. I'm just saying I'm not seeing strong signs. How can it be irony? The Cowboys didn't achieve anything. They're not being mentioned as the top team in the entire NFL, like the Giants are. So what? Where's the irony? Nobody is saying the Giants are heading for a collapse except me. ....and this thread only proves it further in the fact that you guys only want to defend the Giants. Nobody sees it coming, but hey... if I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat my crow right here.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 09:42 PM
Just out of curiosity, what are your feelings about the Eagles. Honestly, it is difficult to be 100% beleiving that we will run the table and make the playoffs. I have a horrible feeling that they will lift my hopes this week and next against the Skins, only to play a horrible game and break my heart against the Cowboys, even if the Cowboys are in a December bellyflop.
Honestly, I think the tie may help you GET to the playoffs over the Cowboys.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 09:45 PM
right on, well put. I'd say our OL is more MVP than Jacobs, but that's how most Giants fans feel and MVP is more one player and all that jazz.

Very nice to see another knowledgeable Giants poster around, I like yourr style.

We were off our game, no doubt about it. Did all the Plax distractions and not having him hurt? they damn sure didn't help. Jacobs being out hurt, and yea, we are wearing down a bit. We still kept it fairly close and our secondary still looked pretty good. I think we'll be ok, I really do.

oh, and one thing NY: who do you like for the Giants in this coming draft?(answer in the draft thread, I want to pick your brain! :D)
Your OL is VERY solid. They are your foundation for success on offense. Everything revolves around their play. I totally agree. That's the one thing that can save you.

...except... I think you would've had more than 88 yards rushing if Jacobs stayed in the game... So the OL can only do so much.

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 09:46 PM
oh you've obviously never visited bigblueinteractive.com

oh geez! trust me, that's not the mindset right now haha :D
So they agree with me, but you guys don't? Hmmm... :rolleyes:

scottyboy
12-09-2008, 09:48 PM
So they agree with me, but you guys don't? Hmmm... :rolleyes:

no no, i wouldn't go that far. They don't think we're in a downward spiral, but after every bad play the sky is falling there haha.

I think no team is truely "perfect". We've lost 2 games, and in each loss we've looked like total ****. Every team messes up and falters once in a while(except that one special team...) and we've had 2. If we look bad the next few games, then there's time to panic.

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:52 PM
There's no irony in the fact that I'm a Cowboys fan. I might be noticing this more because I'm a rival fan, but that's about it. Maybe I notice things more because I'm a rival fan. But I laid out my thoughts and reasons for my thinking. It's easy for you guys to say it's odd that a Cowboys fan would say this, but it's not really. I'm not bashing the Giants. I'm not saying they suck. I'm just saying I'm not seeing strong signs. How can it be irony? The Cowboys didn't achieve anything. They're not being mentioned as the top team in the entire NFL, like the Giants are. So what? Where's the irony? Nobody is saying the Giants are heading for a collapse except me. ....and this thread only proves it further in the fact that you guys only want to defend the Giants. Nobody sees it coming, but hey... if I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat my crow right here.
The irony comes from a Cowboys fan, who by now knows the signs of a late season collapse. Not great irony, but still irony nonetheless. I can see your viewpoint easily, it is strongly possible, I admit, I just disagree with you. Like I said before, the game between the Cowboys and Giants will really decide how this wraps up. I would never suck up to a division rival, how dare you suggest such a horrible, horrible idea!?!:D

D-Unit
12-09-2008, 09:55 PM
The irony comes from a Cowboys fan, who by now knows the signs of a late season collapse. Not great irony, but still irony nonetheless. I can see your viewpoint easily, it is strongly possible, I admit, I just disagree with you. Like I said before, the game between the Cowboys and Giants will really decide how this wraps up. I would never suck up to a division rival, how dare you suggest such a horrible, horrible idea!?!:D
I don't care if you disagree with me. But if you disagree with my points, or you think my points don't make sense or are irrelevant then I like discussing stuff like that.

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:56 PM
Honestly, I think the tie may help you GET to the playoffs over the Cowboys.

It is actually kind of simple for the Eagles to get in. All we need to do is win out (obviously easier said than done) and we need the Falcons to lose one game. It is doable. The tie does help us in that situation. Obviously if the Falcons win out as well, and the Bucs don't collapse, then it hurts us. But he only way we make it in if we lose one game is if we lose to hte Browns this week but beat the skins and the boys. But then the Cowboys will have to lose to the Giants as well, and the Skins will need to lose another game. Also, the Falcons would have to lose at least two games. It is a tough road either way. If we win out, we don't need to much help. I think the Falcons play the Panthers and the Bucs, either one could be a loss for the Falcons. But if we lose, especially to the Redskins or Cowboys, we are done.

eaglesalltheway
12-09-2008, 09:59 PM
I don't care if you disagree with me. But if you disagree with my points, or you think my points don't make sense or are irrelevant then I like discussing stuff like that.

They are totally legitimate if you ask me. I see both sides of the bridge though, I'm sure you do too, we just have a difference in opinion. Neither is worng right now. If the Giants win, my dise of the bridge looks a little nicer than yours. But if the Cowboys win this weekend obviously, my opinion was wrong and your side of the bridge will be more appealing. Its a dumb analogy but it fits.

giantsfan
12-10-2008, 12:36 AM
Personally i think losing to the eagles was one of the best things that could've happened to us. This team plays so much better when people are questioning and doubting them that I was really worried about all of the good press we were getting. Now with the plax situation and this loss the team has something to rally around again and I'm expect us to bounce back big time against the cowboys, not calling for a blow out because if the cowboys are clicking it'll be a good game but I'm expecting the giants to play very well and for spags to get more focussed on creating pressure again.

NY™
12-10-2008, 08:18 PM
right on, well put. I'd say our OL is more MVP than Jacobs, but that's how most Giants fans feel and MVP is more one player and all that jazz.

Very nice to see another knowledgeable Giants poster around, I like yourr style.

We were off our game, no doubt about it. Did all the Plax distractions and not having him hurt? they damn sure didn't help. Jacobs being out hurt, and yea, we are wearing down a bit. We still kept it fairly close and our secondary still looked pretty good. I think we'll be ok, I really do.

oh, and one thing NY: who do you like for the Giants in this coming draft?(answer in the draft thread, I want to pick your brain! :D)

Thanks for the compliment, it seems that this forum has many smart posters here, so plan on seeing me posting around some more.

As for who the Giants pick I'll post that in a bit, but the main reason I joined was to learn more about evaluating prospects, even though I don't watch college football as closely as I do NFL.

Personally i think losing to the eagles was one of the best things that could've happened to us. This team plays so much better when people are questioning and doubting them that I was really worried about all of the good press we were getting. Now with the plax situation and this loss the team has something to rally around again and I'm expect us to bounce back big time against the cowboys, not calling for a blow out because if the cowboys are clicking it'll be a good game but I'm expecting the giants to play very well and for spags to get more focussed on creating pressure again.

100% agreed with every sentence you said, lol.

eaglesalltheway
12-10-2008, 09:39 PM
Thanks for the compliment, it seems that this forum has many smart posters here, so plan on seeing me posting around some more.

As for who the Giants pick I'll post that in a bit, but the main reason I joined was to learn more about evaluating prospects, even though I don't watch college football as closely as I do NFL.



100% agreed with every sentence you said, lol.

Overall it is a great forum, but just we weary, it too has its... for lack of a better word, jackasses. Mythbusta, aka STARHEATHER, is one of those. If you look around I'm sure u'll notice a few things. Just call him heather for short, its a lot easier.

D-Unit
12-14-2008, 11:29 PM
dum da dum dum

Geo
12-15-2008, 12:28 AM
Good call, D. The Giants have really fell off the last two weeks, and the next two weeks are going to present some problems for them - especially if they don't get some things fixed and productive again.

captainjack27
12-15-2008, 12:40 AM
Props to you D-Unit.

LonghornsLegend
12-15-2008, 01:54 AM
Still stinging that letting that Steeler game slip away also let the Division crown slip away, I would be alot happier if that were still within our reach.

Turtlepower
12-15-2008, 01:58 AM
Brandon Jacobs being out really hurt that game. It isn't an excuse because our o-line sucked royally, but his loss did sting a lot. Here is to hoping we win next Sunday night.

Gay Ork Wang
12-15-2008, 02:11 AM
imo the Giants will lose against Carolina. That will fuel their jets and will win the last game and go for a nice playoff run :)

D-Unit
12-15-2008, 12:01 PM
Brandon Jacobs being out really hurt that game. It isn't an excuse because our o-line sucked royally, but his loss did sting a lot. Here is to hoping we win next Sunday night.
The amount of injuries stack piled upon one another was a main reason why I thought the Giants could be in trouble. You can only sustain yourself to a certain point. As much as you think Jacobs was a factor, I really think not having Plaxico hurts more. Hixon's true colors are starting to show. I like to call it the Alvin Harper syndrome.

D-Unit
12-15-2008, 12:03 PM
imo the Giants will lose against Carolina. That will fuel their jets and will win the last game and go for a nice playoff run :)
Beating Carolina will be tough. Carolina looks like the best team in the NFC when Delhomme isn't making idiotic mistakes. They are beatable though.

Question is... who are the Giants? Can they right this ship or is it already too off course?

Crickett
12-15-2008, 12:11 PM
Beating Carolina will be tough. Carolina looks like the best team in the NFC when Delhomme isn't making idiotic mistakes. They are beatable though.

Question is... who are the Giants? Can they right this ship or is it already too off course?

My father (he's the Giants fan, I'm a Jets fan) thinks the Giants woes are all Plaxico's fault.

IMO, Plaxico has hurt the Giants passing game severely and Hixon simply has NOT stepped up to take his place.

But that doesn't explain why the Giants offensive line did their best imitation of one of these.

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scottyboy
12-15-2008, 02:35 PM
imo the Giants will lose against Carolina. That will fuel their jets and will win the last game and go for a nice playoff run :)

I honestly believe the same exact thing lol

D-Unit
12-15-2008, 03:03 PM
I honestly believe the same exact thing lol
Didn't you also believe you were gonna beat the Cowboys?

Trust me, losing 3 games in December is NOT the way you want to be heading into the playoffs.

scottyboy
12-15-2008, 04:51 PM
Didn't you also believe you were gonna beat the Cowboys?

Trust me, losing 3 games in December is NOT the way you want to be heading into the playoffs.

actually, I wasn't sure. I thought we could, but when Jacobs was out, my hopes and thoughts(expectations really) were severely lowered

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
12-15-2008, 04:57 PM
i think the giants are going to be ok if jacobs is healthy through the playoffs



is burress out for the playoffs as well? im not sure if he was suspended for the whole year

NY™
12-15-2008, 07:29 PM
imo the Giants will lose against Carolina. That will fuel their jets and will win the last game and go for a nice playoff run :)

Hmm I'm not so sure about that, if Jacobs plays and is 100% (that is the key here, if he plays) then the Giants have a much bigger chance of winning. Plus I think people overlook Carolina as a road team, they have three losses this year, all of which came on the road. Also they are coming North, who knows what the cold will do to them.

I think that the offensive line will play better in this game as well, the Dallas front 7, even when they sent 4, was getting constant pressure. I just don't think that Carolina has the personnel to be doing that every down. Plus it would be mind boggling to think that they played 2 bad back to back games as a unit.

D-Unit
12-15-2008, 07:45 PM
Hmm I'm not so sure about that, if Jacobs plays and is 100% (that is the key here, if he plays) then the Giants have a much bigger chance of winning. Plus I think people overlook Carolina as a road team, they have three losses this year, all of which came on the road. Also they are coming North, who knows what the cold will do to them.

I think that the offensive line will play better in this game as well, the Dallas front 7, even when they sent 4, was getting constant pressure. I just don't think that Carolina has the personnel to be doing that every down. Plus it would be mind boggling to think that they played 2 bad back to back games as a unit.

To think.... this is a must win for you guys, just to save morale.

I hope you send help Diehl's way. Julius Peppers has had a rejuvinating year... this being his contract year and all, not surprising one bit.

Giantsfan1080
12-15-2008, 09:41 PM
To think.... this is a must win for you guys, just to save morale.

I hope you send help Diehl's way. Julius Peppers has had a rejuvinating year... this being his contract year and all, not surprising one bit.

Julius Peppers is a better and more productive DE than Osi Umenyiora in contract years!! :)

Jughead10
12-16-2008, 01:45 PM
To think.... this is a must win for you guys, just to save morale.

I hope you send help Diehl's way. Julius Peppers has had a rejuvinating year... this being his contract year and all, not surprising one bit.

Doesn't Peppers play on the left side on the defensive line. Against our RT?

D-Unit
12-16-2008, 01:48 PM
Doesn't Peppers play on the left side on the defensive line. Against our RT?
Yes, but do they not move him around? I dunno.. Either way, I expect Peppers to have a good day. Eli can't survive another beating the way he got on Sunday, so I hope for your sakes that the OL shows up.

Giantsfan1080
12-16-2008, 01:56 PM
Yes, but do they not move him around? I dunno.. Either way, I expect Peppers to have a good day. Eli can't survive another beating the way he got on Sunday, so I hope for your sakes that the OL shows up.

The O-Line has one bad game and all of a sudden the sky is falling. Seubert being sick and McKenzie getting hurt had a lot to do with it. We've held a lot of great pass rushing teams in check this year so I expect them to bounce back and have a good game.

Jughead10
12-16-2008, 04:55 PM
Yes, but do they not move him around? I dunno.. Either way, I expect Peppers to have a good day. Eli can't survive another beating the way he got on Sunday, so I hope for your sakes that the OL shows up.

Actually (knock on wood) Eli always gets up. He's survived a lot of beatings before, although more when he first became a starter three years ago. Romo is the one more likely to wear his injuries on his sleeve.

LonghornsLegend
12-16-2008, 06:43 PM
Romo is the one more likely to wear his injuries on his sleeve.

And that reason would be?

scottyboy
12-16-2008, 06:45 PM
And that reason would be?

Eli doesn't cry mid-game perhaps?

Pretty sure when Eli sperated his AC joint last year, he showed no tears. It's not necessarily a bad thing, Romo shows his emotions more, and Eli is known for showing little emotion until the playoffs and 4th quarter...

Bucs_Rule
12-16-2008, 07:04 PM
Without Burress their left without a legitimate #1 or 2 reciever. Teams can just stack the box. The line has to play better than before to get the same result. Missing a big target like Burress really hurts in the red zone as well.

Jacobs is great at wearing down defenses. The lightning backs just don't do that.

If the Giants lose at Carolina and Minny beats Atlanta the winner of the Minny/Giants game gets a bye. Going from looking like they could clinch Home Field a couple weeks early to playing on WildCard weekend would be a killer psychologically.

Atleast the D is still playing pretty well.

D-Unit
12-16-2008, 07:08 PM
Eli doesn't cry mid-game perhaps?

Pretty sure when Eli sperated his AC joint last year, he showed no tears. It's not necessarily a bad thing, Romo shows his emotions more, and Eli is known for showing little emotion until the playoffs and 4th quarter...
Um, the Eli I see is the biggest cry baby in the league.

...but that might just be his natural facial expression. He's got the most irritating look in the world. I saw all the cry baby emotion I needed to out of him the minute he held up that San Diego Jersey.

...and on the field... uh.. it's never his fault. I hate that about him.

LonghornsLegend
12-16-2008, 07:20 PM
Eli doesn't cry mid-game perhaps?

Pretty sure when Eli sperated his AC joint last year, he showed no tears. It's not necessarily a bad thing, Romo shows his emotions more, and Eli is known for showing little emotion until the playoffs and 4th quarter...

Oh, I must of missed Romo crying tears of pain during the game then.

scottyboy
12-16-2008, 07:48 PM
Oh, I must of missed Romo crying tears of pain during the game then.

you honestly didn't see the clip of him with tears literally running down his cheeks on the sideline? He was crying...

scottyboy
12-16-2008, 07:50 PM
Um, the Eli I see is the biggest cry baby in the league.

...but that might just be his natural facial expression. He's got the most irritating look in the world. I saw all the cry baby emotion I needed to out of him the minute he held up that San Diego Jersey.

...and on the field... uh.. it's never his fault. I hate that about him.

oh god, the San Diego thing...with nothing else on him, we bring up that incident, come on D, you're better than that...

No, no no. It's never "it's not my fault", it's "aww shucks" or "come on guys"

not even close to the biggest crybaby. He only played through a sepereated AC shoulder joint. come on now D...

D-Unit
12-16-2008, 08:52 PM
oh god, the San Diego thing...with nothing else on him, we bring up that incident, come on D, you're better than that...

No, no no. It's never "it's not my fault", it's "aww shucks" or "come on guys"

not even close to the biggest crybaby. He only played through a sepereated AC shoulder joint. come on now D...
Eli is a very capable QB. But his demeanor is that of a cry baby many times.

Number 10
12-16-2008, 09:01 PM
Eli is a very capable QB. But his demeanor is that of a cry baby many times.

Lets not turn this into Eli vs. Romo.

Manning earned all the respect in the world last January. Romo is a great QB that gutted it out as much as any QB can Sunday night and anyone that disagrees is a foolish hater.

scottyboy
12-16-2008, 09:02 PM
Lets not turn this into Eli vs. Romo.

Manning earned all the respect in the world last January. Romo is a great QB that gutted it out as much as any QB can Sunday night and anyone that disagrees is a foolish hater.

oh yea, they both took a nasty beatdown but kept on getting up. Both are awesome QB's, Romo just shows his emotion more, that's it...

Number 10
12-22-2008, 10:21 PM
If this is a collapse...I would love to hear what they call what went down in Dallas Saturday night....

Crickett
12-22-2008, 10:36 PM
If this is a collapse...I would love to hear what they call what went down in Dallas Saturday night....


A Tijuromo.


Ok, I just made that up, but it sounds like what it should be called. :D

Heywood Jabuzof
12-23-2008, 01:24 PM
If this is a collapse...I would love to hear what they call what went down in Dallas Saturday night....

Epic PWNAGE

D-Unit
12-23-2008, 01:32 PM
That win still doesn't stop me from believing what I feel about the Giants future this season. There is a collapse coming your way... meaning, you'll lose your first playoff game. If you win your first playoff game, I'll eat my crow.

As for Dallas.. if they get to the playoffs and win 1 game, that's progress. ...and that's not a collapse. But that's actually besides the point of this discussion. This discussion had nothing to do with the Boys. They could flake out and not make the playoffs.... and that's pretty much in line with the general public's view of them. On the other hand, when I made this thread, everyone in the world was labeling the Giants as the best team in the NFL. Big difference.

D-Unit
12-23-2008, 01:34 PM
Epic PWNAGE
No Epic PWNAGE is me banning you. Bye bye, ricky bobby.

Number 10
12-23-2008, 01:40 PM
That win still doesn't stop me from believing what I feel about the Giants future this season. There is a collapse coming your way... meaning, you'll lose your first playoff game. If you win your first playoff game, I'll eat my crow.

As for Dallas.. if they get to the playoffs and win 1 game, that's progress. ...and that's not a collapse. But that's actually besides the point of this discussion. This discussion had nothing to do with the Boys. They could flake out and not make the playoffs.... and that's pretty much in line with the general public's view of them. On the other hand, when I made this thread, everyone in the world was labeling the Giants as the best team in the NFL. Big difference.

The Giants make you eat a lot of crow...have your taste buds adapted yet? I guess the thought process is if you keep on making predictions concerning them, eventually you'll get a couple right and be able to say 'I told you so'

D-Unit
12-23-2008, 01:54 PM
The Giants make you eat a lot of crow...have your taste buds adapted yet? I guess the thought process is if you keep on making predictions concerning them, eventually you'll get a couple right and be able to say 'I told you so'
Nah. I'm not a constant Giants basher. Never have been. I don't remember making predictions on them before. Nor do I remember ever making "I told you so" posts just to puff up my pride. I just made this thread to stir up discussion and thought. I saw some signs and thought the future wasn't as bright as America was claiming about the so called "best team in the NFL" at the time.

But I promise that if you guys win your first playoff game, I'll give you your due and admit I was dead wrong.

Geo
12-23-2008, 03:10 PM
Got to love the division rivalry. :)

Number 10
12-23-2008, 04:07 PM
Nah. I'm not a constant Giants basher. Never have been. I don't remember making predictions on them before. Nor do I remember ever making "I told you so" posts just to puff up my pride. I just made this thread to stir up discussion and thought. I saw some signs and thought the future wasn't as bright as America was claiming about the so called "best team in the NFL" at the time.

But I promise that if you guys win your first playoff game, I'll give you your due and admit I was dead wrong.

Two words for you D....

Brandon Jacobs

Remember?

D-Unit
12-23-2008, 04:09 PM
Two words for you D....

Brandon Jacobs

Remember?
My thoughts on Jacobs that I've always had...

Runs too tall and will be prone to injury. Pretty much on point there, no?

bigbluedefense
12-23-2008, 04:12 PM
I think Brandon Jacobs doesn't get enough respect as one of the better RBs in this league. His YPC has always been great, and i think its evident now how much he helps the RBs behind him after he softens up the defense.

He doesn't get enough credit as a pass blocker, and while he's an unconventional back, the results speak for themselves.

He is injury prone though, but that comes with being a power runner who keeps getting hit under the belt.

D-Unit
12-23-2008, 04:18 PM
I think Brandon Jacobs doesn't get enough respect as one of the better RBs in this league. His YPC has always been great, and i think its evident now how much he helps the RBs behind him after he softens up the defense.

He doesn't get enough credit as a pass blocker, and while he's an unconventional back, the results speak for themselves.

He is injury prone though, but that comes with being a power runner who keeps getting hit under the belt.
I agree. I think Jacobs is a better back than noted for. He does a lot of things that go unrecognized for that offense and when he is healthy, there's no denying him. Ward and Bradshaw looked infinitlely better this week with Jacobs in the line up than last week with Jacobs out of the lineup. By the end of the game, that Carolina D looked exhausted... and Jacobs was one of the main reasons why.

I think you need Plax to win the SB though. Hixon's true colors are starting to show and he's not in the same league.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
12-23-2008, 04:19 PM
RAVENS/GIANTS Superbowl ?????

DEJA VU??

bigbluedefense
12-23-2008, 04:21 PM
I agree. I think Jacobs is a better back than noted for. He does a lot of things that go unrecognized for that offense and when he is healthy, there's no denying him. Ward and Bradshaw looked infinitlely better this week with Jacobs in the line up than last week with Jacobs out of the lineup. By the end of the game, that Carolina D looked exhausted... and Jacobs was one of the main reasons why.

I think you need Plax to win the SB though. Hixon's true colors are starting to show and he's not in the same league.

thats personally my biggest concern. if we had Plax, I think we'd run away with the SB this year.

but now without him, its going to be tough. its still possible, but a lot tougher. with Plax the Giants made it look easy. 7 man fronts, we ran anywhere we wanted whenever we wanted.

now, its gonna take a solid defensive effort coupled with great play by Jacobs and Eli to carry our team.

Number 10
12-23-2008, 04:45 PM
My thoughts on Jacobs that I've always had...

Runs too tall and will be prone to injury. Pretty much on point there, no?

You said prior to the start of the 2007 season he could never be counted on as an every down back. He is banged up too often for my liking, but him as an every down threat is as dangerous as any back in the league not named Adrian Peterson (the one that wears purple)

Number 10
12-23-2008, 04:46 PM
RAVENS/GIANTS Superbowl ?????

DEJA VU??

I don't think the Ravens could make it.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
12-23-2008, 04:47 PM
I don't think the Ravens could make it.

way to crush my hopes :(

Number 10
12-23-2008, 04:48 PM
Of course the Giants aren't as good without Plax. And of course Hixon isn't in the same league.

But as long as our backs are healthy, we can put up 24+ points up on anybody in the NFC, no question. And that isn't easy to do in the playoffs especially in the Meadowlands.

D-Unit
12-23-2008, 05:09 PM
You said prior to the start of the 2007 season he could never be counted on as an every down back. He is banged up too often for my liking, but him as an every down threat is as dangerous as any back in the league not named Adrian Peterson (the one that wears purple)
Well apart of the reason why I thought he couldn't be an everydown back is because I thought he wouldn't be able to wtihstand the constant toll that comes with being an everydown back. ...especially with his upright running style, him being an everydown back was not and is not an ideal fit for him.

If you say as long as he's healthy, then that goes directly against one of my main reasons for saying he couldn't be an everydown back in the first place. I have no problems saying he's an everydown back if he never gets injured... but the fact remains, he's been frequently injured in his short career.

D-Unit
12-23-2008, 05:12 PM
Of course the Giants aren't as good without Plax. And of course Hixon isn't in the same league.

But as long as our backs are healthy, we can put up 24+ points up on anybody in the NFC, no question. And that isn't easy to do in the playoffs especially in the Meadowlands.
10, let's be real. Yes, it's obvious to see it now, but I still remember and I don't think you have already forgotten either... how a lot of people were thinking that the Giants didn't need Plax to win. They were winning w/out him in the beginning and the Giants fans and the media were talking it up about how they didn't need Plax and that you guys had Wrs that could carry the load.

Today, it's a completely different story. Right?

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
12-23-2008, 05:15 PM
Well apart of the reason why I thought he couldn't be an everydown back is because I thought he wouldn't be able to wtihstand the constant toll that comes with being an everydown back. ...especially with his upright running style, him being an everydown back was not and is not an ideal fit for him.

If you say as long as he's healthy, then that goes directly against one of my main reasons for saying he couldn't be an everydown back in the first place. I have no problems saying he's an everydown back if he never gets injured... but the fact remains, he's been frequently injured in his short career.

well it dont even have to be one of your reasons its something you should automatically look at when your talking about an every down back.

but i agree with you

giantsfan
12-25-2008, 01:47 PM
10, let's be real. Yes, it's obvious to see it now, but I still remember and I don't think you have already forgotten either... how a lot of people were thinking that the Giants didn't need Plax to win. They were winning w/out him in the beginning and the Giants fans and the media were talking it up about how they didn't need Plax and that you guys had Wrs that could carry the load.

Today, it's a completely different story. Right?

We can still win without plax it's just harder, if anyone denied that things would be tougher without plax they were being delusional. I love hixon to, but give him an offseason of work as the number guy to settle him down and let him and eli really get a feel for each other and you'll see a completely different level of consistency from Hixon and then we can talk about how we're fine without plax.

DMWSackMachine
08-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Wow...reading back through this thread and I am amazed by the pwnage that D wreaked on everyone here.

A lot of crow to go around here.

scottyboy
08-20-2009, 09:59 PM
Wow...reading back through this thread and I am amazed by the pwnage that D wreaked on everyone here.

A lot of crow to go around here.

this coming from the guy who called the Dallas secondary top 10. talk about eating crow.

pot meet kettle

Sniper
08-21-2009, 01:52 PM
this coming from the guy who called the Dallas secondary top 10. talk about eating crow.

pot meet kettle

He also said they had the potential to be the best secondary in the past decade.

Sniper
08-21-2009, 01:55 PM
Honestly, I think the tie may help you GET to the playoffs over the Cowboys.

Good Lord. D-Unit's a psychic!

D-Unit
08-21-2009, 05:53 PM
Good Lord. D-Unit's a psychic!
I'm just good like dat. yeeeeeeeea ;)

+rep DWM!!!

scottyboy
08-21-2009, 06:35 PM
I'm just good like dat. yeeeeeeeea ;)

+rep DWM!!!

why should he get +rep when he's the one who needs to eat crow and guys who point that out get neg rep?

D-Unit
08-21-2009, 07:50 PM
why should he get +rep when he's the one who needs to eat crow and guys who point that out get neg rep?
...he's not pointing out something he said. ;) :p

herniateddisc
11-10-2009, 10:27 PM
Great call on this thread by D.

Rosebud
11-10-2009, 10:40 PM
Great call on this thread by D.

Nice, necro-bumping is so cool. Especially threads talking about last seasons team, no you don't have an agenda to try and prove that the giants are over-rated just so you can keep talking up Mike Jenkins as a better corner than he is.

herniateddisc
11-10-2009, 11:04 PM
Nice, necro-bumping is so cool. Especially threads talking about last seasons team, no you don't have an agenda to try and prove that the giants are over-rated just so you can keep talking up Mike Jenkins as a better corner than he is.

So I give D-Unit rep on something and you are upset about it?

Sheesh, people on this website have thin skin.

Rosebud
11-10-2009, 11:23 PM
So I give D-Unit rep on something and you are upset about it?

Sheesh, people on this website have thin skin.

I'm not upset, I'm just trying to point out the transparency of your posting.