DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart Best RB Duo in NFL?

[Thunder&Lightning]

Just finished watching the MNF game and I am officially convinced Deangelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart are the best RB duo in the NFL. DeAngelo Williams continues to impress making me think he is now one of the top RB's in the NFL while Stewart doesn’t look like a Rookie and can only get better. These two can only get better and better... which should start to scare defenses.

[The Dynasty]

Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor. Chester easily should be a starter on another team. But This might the Homer in me coming out.

[Number 10]

I got criticized a few weeks ago for saying that the Panthers were the team I did not want to face in the playoffs. I'm not sure why, but for some reason people forget EVERY year that winning in January is all about running the ball and stuffing the run. Panthers are going to be a scary team in the playoffs, more so than any opponent my team will have.

[PACKmanN]

I would like to give some credit to that o-line opening those large roles and the Bucs' defense taking bad angles on their tackles. Those are my thoughts on why they had such a great game.

[MetSox17]

No, i agree with AP and CT.

The Panthers have one scary running attack though. Williams was one of my favorite players coming out of Memphis a few years back, and i was disappointed that he hadn't amounted to anything his first two years. Might be the improved o-line, or Jake Delhomme, or maybe they're just that beastly, but that Carolina rushing attack sure is scary.

How's Jeff Otah doing, btw?

[Bruce Banner]

don't be fooled.

the bucs d mailed it in early.

kiffin is leaving, and they made a statement.

[niel89]

Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor. Chester easily should be a starter on another team. But This might the Homer in me coming out.

true I would have to say that AD>DeAngelo and Taylor/Stewart is a wash.

[MetSox17]

don't be fooled.

the bucs d mailed it in early.

kiffin is leaving, and they made a statement.

Thing is, that's not the first time they do this.

[Thunder&Lightning]

taylor and stewart are equal now... in time stewart will be a lot better

[tjsunstein]

chris johnson and lendale white not yet mentioned?

[GB12]

Minnesota and Jacksonville have better, but they're a strong candidate for third.

[Bruce Banner]

Thing is, that's not the first time they do this.

if they didn't have this game on national TV this discussion wouldn't be happening.

AD + CT is still the best.

[CashmoneyDrew]

chris johnson and lendale white not yet mentioned?

Glad someone besides me did it. Smash and Dash baby!

[giantsfan]

I think this is one of those threads where I can indulge the homer in me and state the giants RB duo is on par with the carolina duo. I'd take BJ over any of the backs concerned and Wards is a very smart runner who just plays the position well and is on par with Stewart, at least for this season.

[PACKmanN]

if they didn't have this game on national TV this discussion wouldn't be happening.

AD + CT is still the best.

Agreed, I would take AD alone over both the tandem of Williams and Stewart.

[Thunder&Lightning]

Minnesota and Jacksonville have better, but they're a strong candidate for third.

not jacksonville, Taylor is done...

[MetSox17]

Minnesota and Jacksonville have better, but they're a strong candidate for third.

I disagree. Between Deangelo Williams and MJD, it's a wash. Fred Taylor is probably gonna hang them up after this season after a great career, but this year he's no way as good as he was last. I'll take Stewart any day over Taylor, for a game tomorrow.

[Bruce Banner]

Agreed, I would take AD alone over both the tandem of Williams and Stewart.

exactly. throw in a decent starter as a back up (CT) and you're money.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Adrian Peterson+anyone=best RB tandem.

[tjsunstein]

if they didn't have this game on national TV this discussion wouldn't be happening.

AD + CT is still the best.

Exactly, everyone is on their nuts now. Bandwagoners..
Is Antonio Bryant gonna get noticed now because of his awesome catch and 200 yard game? Because he now has 4 100 yards games this year. Ask how many 100 yard games Colston has had, Boldin, Calvin, TO, Reggie Wayne... Bryant has more and only about half of you noticed.

[Thunder&Lightning]

Exactly, everyone is on their nuts now. Bandwagoners..
Is Antonio Bryant gonna get noticed now because of his awesome catch and 200 yard game? Because he now has 4 100 yards games this year. Ask how many 100 yard games Colston has had, Boldin, Calvin, TO, Reggie Wayne... Bryant has more and only about half of you noticed.

i think thats thread worthy...

[ShutDwn]

I'm excited, because DeAngelo can still be used in a lot of ways in the passing game. Stewart has been nursing injuries and will be a more complete player next year.

The best part is, they are pretty tight.

Actually, this is a bit overdue for DeAngelo anyways. He has been tearing it up even with injuries plaguing the oline through the middle of the season.

[Bruce Banner]

Exactly, everyone is on their nuts now. Bandwagoners..
Is Antonio Bryant gonna get noticed now because of his awesome catch and 200 yard game? Because he now has 4 100 yards games this year. Ask how many 100 yard games Colston has had, Boldin, Calvin, TO, Reggie Wayne... Bryant has more and only about half of you noticed.

this post made me
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[tjsunstein]

Seriously comparing each running back side to side? That's not what a duo is about. It's how they compliment each other.

By the way I thought we were going with teams that actually have two backs get more than 8 touches a game... if not then how is it a duo? You're simply taking the best back and naming his backup then getting your thoughtless answer.

[Bearsfan123]

my rankings:

AD CT
Chris Johnson Lenwhale White (i almost put them third because Lendale is so slow)
Deangelo Williams Jon Stewart
Brandon Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw
MJD, Taylor

[yo123]

I didn't realize people actually thought Lendale White was good.

[giantsfan]

my rankings:

AD CT
Chris Johnson Lenwhale White (i almost put them third because Lendale is so slow)
Deangelo Williams Jon Stewart
Brandon Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw
MJD, Taylor

That works since in really it it's

AD and CT










everyone else fighting for second.

[MetSox17]

Seriously comparing each running back side to side? That's not what a duo is about. It's how they compliment each other.

By the way I thought we were going with teams that actually have two backs get more than 8 touches a game... if not then how is it a duo? You're simply taking the best back and naming his backup then getting your thoughtless answer.

That's the dumbest thing i've heard in a while. So if i had two Brandon Jacobses, that would compliment each other in no way whatsoever, but they both ran for a buck fifty a game, you would take a fast guy and a strong guy over them? That's ridiculous. I don't care if they run the exact same way, they both produce. Fred Taylor isn't producing. What the hell else are you gonna compare?

[PACKmanN]

my rankings:

AD CT
Chris Johnson Lenwhale White (i almost put them third because Lendale is so slow)
Deangelo Williams Jon Stewart
Brandon Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw
MJD, Taylor

Its a tandem, not a threesome...

[Mr. Stiller]

Next year I think Steelers can challenge this...

Willie Parker, Rashard Mendenhall, Mewelde Moore, Gary Russell.

I'm really liking it.

I think Dallas has a heck of a nice Backfield next year as well.

Marion Barber, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice.. any of those guys could be starters.

Before Pitt drafted Mendy I really wanted Choice. He really beat us up.



My Vote goes to: Tennessee... If Fisher wasn't shutting Chris Johnson down quite a bit the dude would probably be leading the league in rushing.

Lendale should thank Johnson... Lendale actually is starting to look the part now.

I hope Mendenhall shows up around 225 again and really rocks it.

[MetSox17]

Marion Barber and Felix Jones were gonna make some noise as a tandem this year, till Felix broke all of our hearts. :(

[tjsunstein]

That's the dumbest thing i've heard in a while. So if i had two Brandon Jacobses, that would compliment each other in no way whatsoever, but they both ran for a buck fifty a game, you would take a fast guy and a strong guy over them? That's ridiculous. I don't care if they run the exact same way, they both produce. Fred Taylor isn't producing. What the hell else are you gonna compare?

Um, I dont know how that counters my argument at all. I'm saying that Taylor does nothing to compliment Peterson and doesnt nearly touch the ball enough for that be considered a duo. It's just naming the best back with his backup, like I said. By the way, two Brandon Jacobs? What does that have to do with anything?

[ShutDwn]

I didn't realize people actually thought Lendale White was good.

He will be TJ Ducket in two years. Johnson is legit though.

[Mr. Stiller]

Marion Barber and Felix Jones were gonna make some noise as a tandem this year, till Felix broke all of our hearts. :(

I know what you mean. Mendenhall broke his shoulder in like week 4, but he was looking pretty solid against the Ravens, showing an incredible burst.


I'm betting Willie Parker is on a different team in 2010.

[MetSox17]

Um, I dont know how that counters my argument at all. I'm saying that Taylor does nothing to compliment Peterson and doesnt nearly touch the ball enough for that be considered a duo. It's just naming the best back with his backup, like I said. By the way, two Brandon Jacobs? What does that have to do with anything?

I thought you were talking about the Jacksonville running game.. my bad lol. I get what you're saying, but Chester Taylor has 86 carries this year with four touchdowns. That's not as much as the other guys, but you really don't need him to take many carries. Besides, last year he showed everyone what he could do with that line should they need to give him the load. He's no scrub.

[giantsfan]

Its a tandem, not a threesome...

bradshaw's averaging under 5 touches a game, we have a tandem with occassional appearances by the playmaker bradshaw.

[tjsunstein]

I thought you were talking about the Jacksonville running game.. my bad lol. I get what you're saying, but Chester Taylor has 86 carries this year with four touchdowns. That's not as much as the other guys, but you really don't need him to take many carries. Besides, last year he showed everyone what he could do with that line should they need to give him the load. He's no scrub.

haha I'm not saying the Jacksonville duo is better.
Taylor only touches the ball like 6 times a game. I don't think that qualifies Minnesota as a duo considering AP gets about 23, that's just a "AP/AD is tired, get in" back.

Rushes per game:
Tennessee: Chris Johnson 17, Lendale 13
Carolina: DeAngelo 16, Stewart 10
Jacksonville: MJD 11, Taylor 11
New York: Jacobs 16, Ward 10

Just examples of what I interpret as a duo..

[SchizophrenicBatman]

DeAngelo is > AD because he doesn't fumble

And Chester Taylor could start in some places, but not that many. Remember he went to the Vikings in the first place because he wasn't starting in Baltimore

I think Stewart's explosiveness edges Lenwhale in the Titans duo.

The Giants trio has an argument

[PACKmanN]

bradshaw's averaging under 5 touches a game, we have a tandem with occassional appearances by the playmaker bradshaw.

my point was, this is an tandem thread, so how can you enclude 3 backs on a team? doesn't make sense. Your tandem is Jacobs and Ward(pending Jacobs injury.)

[yo123]

DeAngelo is > AD because he doesn't fumble


Leave now and never ever come back.

[PACKmanN]

DeAngelo is > AD because he doesn't fumble

And Chester Taylor could start in some places, but not that many. Remember he went to the Vikings in the first place because he wasn't starting in Baltimore

I think Stewart's explosiveness edges Lenwhale in the Titans duo.

The Giants trio has an argument

Quit now before you continue down this path. Just stop watching football since you know nothing. LOLZ.

This post reminds me of that one post someone made about how we shouldn't have resigned Rodgers during the season, lolz.

[tjsunstein]

DeAngelo is < AD because he is

And Chester Taylor could start in some places, but not that many. Remember he went to the Vikings in the first place because he wasn't starting in Baltimore

I think Stewart's explosiveness edges Lenwhale in the Titans duo.

The Giants trio has an argument

Fixed it for you. Let's not be dumb here.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Leave now and never ever come back.

What? It's true. AD's talent trumps Williams' a thousand times over but in actual VALUE DeAngelo has been better this year. If the Vikings offered Peterson for Williams would I take it straight up? Hell yes, because you can fix fumbling. But in the 2008 season DeAngelo has been worth more

[yo123]

What? It's true. AD's talent trumps Williams' a thousand times over but in actual VALUE DeAngelo has been better this year. If the Vikings offered Peterson for Williams would I take it straight up? Hell yes, because you can fix fumbling. But in the 2008 season DeAngelo has been worth more


Adrian Peterson is on pace to be a top 5 RB of all time. Deangelo isn't even top 5 right now.

[PACKmanN]

What? It's true. AD's talent trumps Williams' a thousand times over but in actual VALUE DeAngelo has been better this year. If the Vikings offered Peterson for Williams would I take it straight up? Hell yes, because you can fix fumbling. But in the 2008 season DeAngelo has been worth more

hold on, you would rather take a running back that has been in a tandem his entire NFL career then a running back who can single handily take over games and win them for you? you sound smart.

[MetSox17]

What? It's true. AD's talent trumps Williams' a thousand times over but in actual VALUE DeAngelo has been better this year. If the Vikings offered Peterson for Williams would I take it straight up? Hell yes, because you can fix fumbling. But in the 2008 season DeAngelo has been worth more

I don't know what you've been smoking, but it must be damn good and i want some.

The Vikings have Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson playing quarterback for them. I think that's where the argument starts and ends.

[yo123]

I swear the overall IQ of this board has cut itself in half over the last year.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Adrian Peterson is on pace to be a top 5 RB of all time. Deangelo isn't even top 5 right now.

That's not what I'm arguing. In any given baseball season someone could be having a better year than Albert Pujols, that doesn't mean he's better than Pujols, it means he's having a better year

[tjsunstein]

What? It's true. AD's talent trumps Williams' a thousand times over but in actual VALUE DeAngelo has been better this year. If the Vikings offered Peterson for Williams would I take it straight up? Hell yes, because you can fix fumbling. But in the 2008 season DeAngelo has been worth more

You're right. **** Peterson' 23 carries 108 yards a game. Worthless. Absolutely Worthless.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

I don't know what you've been smoking, but it must be damn good and i want some.

The Vikings have Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson playing quarterback for them. I think that's where the argument starts and ends.

DeAngelo did just fine when he touched the ball last season with David Carr as his QB. It wasn't his fault Fox didn't start him over DeShaun ****ing Foster

[yo123]

That's not what I'm arguing. In any given baseball season someone could be having a better year than Albert Pujols, that doesn't mean he's better than Pujols, it means he's having a better year


He's not having a better year. You guys have a semi respectable passing game to take pressure off him and he still has 500 less yards than AD.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

hold on, you would rather take a running back that has been in a tandem his entire NFL career then a running back who can single handily take over games and win them for you? you sound smart.

Can you read? I just said if the Vikings offered Peterson for Williams straight up I take it without even thinking

[Bruce Banner]

for the record

metsox was right about AD's fumbling problems from the get-go.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25182

[tjsunstein]

So you have a team for 2008, who's your running back for every single game? DeAngelo Williams or Adrian Peterson?

[MetSox17]

DeAngelo did just fine when he touched the ball last season with David Carr as his QB. It wasn't his fault Fox didn't start him over DeShaun ****ing Foster

No matter how stupid a coach is, they'll never cut their nose off to spite their face like that. If he was that productive, he would have seen the field a lot more often. He should have been the lead back last year anyhow. Still, there's no way Williams is either better, or valuable or anything over Peterson. He's a very good running back, but Peterson is on a level that maybe ONE other back in the league can say they're at.

[PACKmanN]

Can you read? I just said if the Vikings offered Peterson for Williams straight up I take it without even thinking

so why would you mention this in the first place? kind of worthless...

[tjsunstein]

for the record

metsox was right about AD's fumbling problems from the get-go.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25182

Your memory is disgusting.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

You're right. **** Peterson' 23 carries 108 yards a game. Worthless. Absolutely Worthless.

It's not worthless but it's diminished by his fumbles. Would you rather have a QB throw for 400 yards 3 TD 2 INT or 300 yards 2 TD 0 INT? I haven't actually checked but I bet if you looked at footballoutsiders.com they'd have DeAngelo's season as better than ADs so far, and for good reason

[The Dynasty]

So you have a team for 2008, who's your running back for every single game? DeAngelo Williams or Adrian Peterson?

Adrian Peterson every single time I would be asked. Every time he touches the ball you stare at the TV and just wait to see what he does. Deangelo Williams is an Semi Above Average RB, and just having a good season this year.

[703SKINS202]

Taylor is a beast in his own right and could start for about 10 teams right now. AP is the best RB in the league hands down. Add that to the non-existent passing game and the production that those two combined creates is ridiculous.

[MetSox17]

for the record

metsox was right about AD's fumbling problems from the get-go.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25182

:):):):):):)

[SchizophrenicBatman]

So you have a team for 2008, who's your running back for every single game? DeAngelo Williams or Adrian Peterson?

If I could take a RB for the next week's game its AD. If I were voting for a Running Back of the Year award I'd vote DeAngelo

I don't see why this is such a weird opinion. The MVP doesn't go to the best player in football every year either

[tjsunstein]

It's not worthless but it's diminished by his fumbles. Would you rather have a QB throw for 400 yards 3 TD 2 INT or 300 yards 2 TD 0 INT? I haven't actually checked but I bet if you looked at footballoutsiders.com they'd have DeAngelo's season as better than ADs so far, and for good reason

Two interceptions in a game is completely different than 7 fumbles over the course of a season.

[PACKmanN]

It's not worthless but it's diminished by his fumbles. Would you rather have a QB throw for 400 yards 3 TD 2 INT or 300 yards 2 TD 0 INT? I haven't actually checked but I bet if you looked at footballoutsiders.com they'd have DeAngelo's season as better than ADs so far, and for good reason

Let me ask you this, would you consider the Panthers wideouts a threat or would you put 8 defenders in the box? same said for the Vikings...

[yo123]

When Packer fans are defending a Vikings player in an argument you know your opinion is probably a failure.

[PACKmanN]

When Packer fans are defending a Vikings player in an argument you know your opinion is probably a failure.

well, I am getting sick and tired of AD, why did you guys have to draft him.

[tjsunstein]

Taylor is a beast in his own right and could start for about 10 teams right now. AP is the best RB in the league hands down. Add that to the non-existent passing game and the production that those two combined creates is ridiculous.

I mean if you wanna talk production those two combined put out then we will.

Peterson: 1,413 yards 4.8 yards per carry 9 touchdowns
Taylor: 320 yards 3.7 yards per carry 4 touchdowns

Do they combine to put out "ridiculous" production or does Peterson put out ridiculous production and then you add his washed up backup?

[The Dynasty]

well, I am getting sick and tired of AD, why did you guys have to draft him.

Why did you have to trade for Favre?

[SMoore]

If I could take a RB for the next week's game its AD. If I were voting for a Running Back of the Year award I'd vote DeAngelo

I don't see why this is such a weird opinion. The MVP doesn't go to the best player in football every year either

You do know that AD is LEADING THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING!

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Two interceptions in a game is completely different than 7 fumbles over the course of a season.

eh, it's a bad comparison because INTs are much more common than fumbles. 7 fumbles are a ridiculous number you have to admit. It's like throwing 15 picks at this point

[yo123]

well, I am getting sick and tired of AD, why did you guys have to draft him.


AD's awesomeness=Troy Williamson's uselessness.

[Giantsfan1080]

The Giants have the best YPG rushing wise so who cares who the best duo is. The Giants have the best trio.

[MetSox17]

well, I am getting sick and tired of AD, why did you guys have to draft him.

They used first rounders on Erasmus James and Troy Williamson. LET THEM HAVE AD!

[jballa838]

Adrian Peterson+anyone=best RB tandem.
so by your logic Adrian Peterson+draftguru151=Best RB tandem?
Better hope you don't play on the road in the sun.

[703SKINS202]

I mean if you wanna talk production those two combined put out then we will.

Peterson: 1,413 yards 4.8 yards per carry 9 touchdowns
Taylor: 320 yards 3.7 yards per carry 4 touchdowns

Do they combine to put out "ridiculous" production or does Peterson put out ridiculous production and then you add his washed up backup?

I would certainly not call him washed up. 844 yards last year 7 td's 5.4 avg. He just hasn't got as many carries this year but I know he could go somewhere else and be a big help.

[PACKmanN]

They used first rounders on Erasmus James and Troy Williamson. LET THEM HAVE AD!

well, the Lions also had to do something right and draft Calvin *hopes the Bears don't draft a superstar*

[The Dynasty]

I mean if you wanna talk production those two combined put out then we will.

Peterson: 1,413 yards 4.8 yards per carry 9 touchdowns
Taylor: 320 yards 3.7 yards per carry 4 touchdowns

Do they combine to put out "ridiculous" production or does Peterson put out ridiculous production and then you add his washed up backup?

Chester is not a washed up backup man, He means a lot to this team. He has 317 receiving yards as well which is very helpful to this offense.

Chester's Total Yards: 637 yards and 5 Touchdowns.
Adrian's Total Yards: 1522 Total Yards and 9 Touch downs

Yes Adrian is the premier back but Chester plays a big role on this team.

[tjsunstein]

eh, it's a bad comparison because INTs are much more common than fumbles. 7 fumbles are a ridiculous number you have to admit. It's like throwing 15 picks at this point

It is a ridiculous amount but he carries the ball 23 times a game and gives you more than 100 yards. You can't discount everything Peterson is because he might fumble once every 2 or 3 games. It's like saying that you would take Thigpen over Favre because of the TD:INT ratio

[Giantsfan1080]

The Giants have the best YPG rushing wise so who cares who the best duo is. The Giants have the best trio.

[Bruce Banner]

I swear the overall IQ of this board has cut itself in half over the last year.

njx agrees.

Your memory is disgusting.

having nothing to do, does that

[SchizophrenicBatman]

You do know that AD is LEADING THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING!

Yea, where in this topic have I said that AD sucked? He's a ridiculous talent, the only RB I have ever felt deserved to be drafted in the top 10 (injury concerns be damned) and he plays on an awful offensive team. But yards as the ONLY measure is lame. In fact, here, I looked it up: http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Peterson ranks lower than Williams. Those stats are flawed too, but not anymore than using just yardage or just TDs. The only RB of the top 10 that doesn't pass my "smell test" of deserving to be ranked in there is Thomas Jones. But it looks like he's having a career year, so maybe it does fit

[MetSox17]

The Giants have the best YPG rushing wise so who cares who the best duo is. The Giants have the best trio.

The Giants also have the best offensive line, so take that for what it's worth. If you put Stewart and Williams behind that line, the Giants would never need to pass the ball.

[yo123]

njx agrees.





I don't mean to sound like an elitist jackass, but that's why I stick mostly to off topic nowadays, expect game days.

[MetSox17]

Your memory is disgusting.

He just speaks the trooff! ;)

[tjsunstein]

The Giants also have the best offensive line, so take that for what it's worth. If you put Stewart and Williams behind that line, the Giants would never need to pass the ball.

This is a Pet Peeve of mine. You can't assume they would be any better or worse like that. It defeats any stat and it becomes speculation.

[The Dynasty]

The Giants have the best YPG rushing wise so who cares who the best duo is. The Giants have the best trio.

This isnt Best RB Trio in NFL, This is the Best Duo.

Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor Combine for 1743 Yards

Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward(2nd in the team Rushing): 1671

So We still have a Better Duo.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

It is a ridiculous amount but he carries the ball 23 times a game and gives you more than 100 yards. You can't discount everything Peterson is because he might fumble once every 2 or 3 games. It's like saying that you would take Thigpen over Favre because of the TD:INT ratio

I'm not discounting everything he does, I'm discounting a little bit. I wouldn't take Thigpen over Favre, but I would take Peyton Manning over him.

And before you jump all over me, no DeAngelo Williams is not the Peyton Manning of RBs. But there are some years a pretty good QB like I dunno...Philip Rivers? would have a better season than Favre

[yo123]

This isnt Best RB Trio in NFL, This is the Best Duo.

Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor Combine for 1743 Yards

Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward(2nd in the team Rushing): 1671

So We still have a Better Duo.

Not to mention we started Ryan Cook at RT for the majority of the season. The impact of this cannot be overlooked.

[captainjack27]

AD and Taylor is the best tandem, however don't be surprised if as soon as next year Williams and Stewart surpass them.

[jkpigskin]

Seriously comparing each running back side to side? That's not what a duo is about. It's how they compliment each other.

By the way I thought we were going with teams that actually have two backs get more than 8 touches a game... if not then how is it a duo? You're simply taking the best back and naming his backup then getting your thoughtless answer.

i agree with this
i remember a similar argument came upon last year and LT was being mentioned in the same light as AD is being mentioned now... him + any backup = best...

that being said....its exciting to see all of these duos/trios coming on.... its cool cause all of these guys are young which means, who knows wat these duos will look like in the future... possible 1000 yrd tandems in the backfield... i dont feel ike arguing cause i feel like you win with any of those tandems

[tjsunstein]

I'm not discounting everything he does, I'm discounting a little bit. I wouldn't take Thigpen over Favre, but I would take Peyton Manning over him.

And before you jump all over me, no DeAngelo Williams is not the Peyton Manning of RBs. But there are some years a pretty good QB like I dunno...Philip Rivers? would have a better season than Favre

Right, but IMO, Williams isnt having a better season. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

[giantsfan]

The Giants also have the best offensive line, so take that for what it's worth. If you put Stewart and Williams behind that line, the Giants would never need to pass the ball.

I disagree, Neither stewart nor Williams exhausts a defense like Jacobs which makes it easier for our oline to man handle them as the game wears on and that lets Ward really shine as he's a smart runner who does a great job taking advantage of tired defenders, that and he's a very consistent guy to give Jacobs breathers.

Our oline's playing awesome, but don't let that convince you that our RBs aren'et as good as they're playing. When Otah has played that Panthers oline has been pretty nasty in it's own right and say what you will about delhomme, but steve smith keeps a man out of the box to role over to him.

[Giantsfan1080]

So we should be punished because we have a competent 3rd RB also? Also, everyone praises our O-Line this year yet last year when Giants fans on this board said we had a Top 5 line we were ridiculed. I don't get why everyone switched their opinions so quickly.

[The Dynasty]

AD and Taylor is the best tandem, however don't be surprised if as soon as next year Williams and Stewart surpass them.

See Ill agree with that because it will soon when Chester Taylor leaves us to become a Starter.

[PACKmanN]

Not to mention we started Ryan Cook at RT for the majority of the season. The impact of this cannot be overlooked.

Now if you guys would have listened to me and took Clady instead of trading for Allen, you wouldn't have had that problem. ;)

[SMoore]

Yea, where in this topic have I said that AD sucked? He's a ridiculous talent, the only RB I have ever felt deserved to be drafted in the top 10 (injury concerns be damned) and he plays on an awful offensive team. But yards as the ONLY measure is lame. In fact, here, I looked it up: http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Peterson ranks lower than Williams. Those stats are flawed too, but not anymore than using just yardage or just TDs. The only RB of the top 10 that doesn't pass my "smell test" of deserving to be ranked in there is Thomas Jones. But it looks like he's having a career year, so maybe it does fit

But you're saying that Williams is having a better year and that is just stupid. Peterson is the only threat on his team, defenses stack the line against him all the time, and he still has put his team in a position to make the playoffs. He is an MVP candidate.

Williams is having a career year, but he is on a team with Steve Smith, Jake Delhomme, and Jonathon Stewart. Of course he is going to have some big games, because the defense has everything else to worry about.

The fact is AD carries his team and Williams does not. AD is having a better year and it's not really close.

[The Dynasty]

So we should be punished because we have a competent 3rd RB also? Also, everyone praises our O-Line this year yet last year when Giants fans on this board said we had a Top 5 line we were ridiculed. I don't get why everyone switched their opinions so quickly.

Im not saying a 3rd back is bad, Im saying it has little to do with this topic. If we were talking Top Trio in the League it would be Giants hands down but we arent, We are talking Duo.

[MetSox17]

So we should be punished because we have a competent 3rd RB also? Also, everyone praises our O-Line this year yet last year when Giants fans on this board said we had a Top 5 line we were ridiculed. I don't get why everyone switched their opinions so quickly.

Because maybe it takes more than just one season of performing well for people to buy into the fact that they're THAT good? Everyone has up and down years. They've been able to sustain that level of play for two + seasons now, so yes, now everyone considers them one of the best.

[tjsunstein]

See Ill agree with that because it will soon when Chester Taylor leaves us to become a Starter.

The day he thrives as a starter again will be the day I will admit I was wrong on this. Just because he leaves to become a starter doesnt mean Peterson and him co exist as the best tandem right now.

[Thunder&Lightning]

next year watch out for marion barber and felix jones...

[tjsunstein]

Im not saying a 3rd back is bad, Im saying it has little to do with this topic. If we were talking Top Trio in the League it would be Giants hands down but we arent, We are talking Duo.

And they can still be in the conversation with Jacobs and Ward. Neither are overwhelming zomgz superstars like Peterson but they compliment each other well and provide a different element to the offense when either of them are in.

[Giantsfan1080]

Because maybe it takes more than just one season of performing well for people to buy into the fact that they're THAT good? Everyone has up and down years. They've been able to sustain that level of play for two + seasons now, so yes, now everyone considers them one of the best.

Your right they've been that good for 2+ years now but nobody has recognized it. It has nothing to do with up and down years but the fact they've been together so long and have dominated most teams.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Right, but IMO, Williams isnt having a better season. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

That's fine, I knew it would be a contentious opinion when I stated it and I certainly can see why anyone would think AD is having the better year. I absolutely screwed up by not making it clear what I was saying, as well. AD is >>> DeAngelo if the NFL has a complete re-draft this offseason, for sure

[tjsunstein]

next year watch out for marion barber and felix jones...

I think they turn into the Giants type with Choice in the mix but they will be exciting to watch. I wish Jones would have never played against us!

[Giantsfan1080]

Im not saying a 3rd back is bad, Im saying it has little to do with this topic. If we were talking Top Trio in the League it would be Giants hands down but we arent, We are talking Duo.

Who cares if it's best duo. We have the best running game. The best duo is AD and Taylor. Next year when Williams falls off we wont be talking about this.

[BlindSite]

For reference

AD: 293 for 1413 4.8 ypc 9 touchdowns 7 fumbles
CT:86 for 320 3.6 ypc 4 touchdowns 1 fumble
Total: 379 for 1733 4.5ypc 13 touchdowns 8 fumbles

D-Will: 212 for 1141 5.4 ypc 13 touchdowns 0 fumbles
J-Stew: 142 for 699 4.9 ypc 8 touchdowns 2 fumbles
Total: 354 for 1840 5.1ypc 21 touchdowns 2 fumbles

Dash: 222 for 1094 4.9ypc 8 touchdowns 1 fumble
Smash: 170 for 674 4.0ypc 14 touchdowns 1 fumble
Total: 392 for 1768 4.5 ypc 22 touchdowns 2 fumbles

Statistically, the best running back duo in the league is Stewart and Williams. Really though I'd say right now its tied between the Panthers and the Titans.

Adrian Peterson is the best back in the NFL right now, but him and chester are not more successful, nor more productive than the other two backfields.

[The Dynasty]

The day he thrives as a starter again will be the day I will admit I was wrong on this. Just because he leaves to become a starter doesnt mean Peterson and him co exist as the best tandem right now.

I dont know if you watched the 2006 Season but Chester Taylor was 11th in Rushing in the league that year...Only 2 years ago and now you calling washed up because a Potential top 5 Running Back in the league came in and took his spot...yeah he will never play good again since that's the reason.

Chester and Adrian are not the same type of runners by the way. Adrian is a powerful running back where Chester is a Finesse running back which complements very well.

[tjsunstein]

For reference

AD: 293 for 1413 4.8 ypc 9 touchdowns 7 fumbles
CT:86 for 320 3.6 ypc 4 touchdowns 1 fumble
Total: 379 for 1733 4.5ypc 13 touchdowns 8 fumbles

D-Will: 212 for 1141 5.4 ypc 13 touchdowns 0 fumbles
J-Stew: 142 for 699 4.9 ypc 8 touchdowns 2 fumbles
Total: 354 for 1840 5.1ypc 21 touchdowns 2 fumbles

Dash: 222 for 1094 4.9ypc 8 touchdowns 1 fumble
Smash: 170 for 674 4.0ypc 14 touchdowns 1 fumble
Total: 392 for 1768 4.5 ypc 22 touchdowns 2 fumbles

Statistically, the best running back duo in the league is Stewart and Williams. Really though I'd say right now its tied between the Panthers and the Titans.

Adrian Peterson is the best back in the NFL right now, but him and chester are not more successful, nor more productive than the other two backfields.

I agree totally with this. It's what I've been pointing out the whole time. Thank you Blindsite.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

I don't mean to sound like an elitist jackass, but that's why I stick mostly to off topic nowadays, expect game days.

just an fyi, the last time someone who's screen name starts with "yo" on this forum sigged me for thinking I said something stupid, the Rams happened. I said after the Panthers started last season beating the Rams that it wasn't a good win for us because the Rams sucked, and yodachu felt it sig worthy. I certainly don't think it will happen, but I wouldn't mind if an Osi/Julius Peppers-esque (shout out to number10!) jinx happens from that

Actually, no I wouldn't. I <3 AD and don't want Vikings fans to have go through a 2007 Peppers type season

[tjsunstein]

I dont know if you watched the 2006 Season but Chester Taylor was 11th in Rushing in the league that year...Only 2 years ago and now you calling washed up because a Potential top 5 Running Back in the league came in and took his spot...yeah he will never play good again since that's the reason.

Chester and Adrian are not the same type of runners by the way. Adrian is a powerful running back where Chester is a Finesse running back which complements very well.

It would compliment very well if it was actually a duo.. It's like saying Turner and Norwood are a duo. No, there's a feature back and a backup.

[yo123]

just an fyi, the last time someone who's screen name starts with "yo" on this forum sigged me for thinking I said something stupid, the Rams happened. I said after the Panthers started last season beating the Rams that it wasn't a good win for us because the Rams sucked, and yodachu felt it sig worthy. I certainly don't think it will happen, but I wouldn't mind if an Osi/Julius Peppers-esque (shout out to number10!) jinx happens from that

Actually, no I wouldn't. I <3 AD and don't want Vikings fans to have go through a 2007 Peppers type season

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[giantsfan]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

that you might've just cursed AD by questioning schizo.

[BlindSite]

Its pretty hard to refute production, wins/losses and what we saw tonight.

Minnesota fans will just have to live with having a dominant RB but not backfield. Wow, what a horrible situation.

[yo123]

Its pretty hard to refute production, wins/losses and what we saw tonight.

Minnesota fans will just have to live with having a dominant RB but not backfield. Wow, what a horrible situation.

Meh, I actually think Carolina fans can make a pretty good argument for the best tandem. However the whole D-Will>AD thing was crazy.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

that was a fun post to get the grief off me

hopefully someone digs up the thread where "Osi is a better and more productive DE than Julius Peppers" blew up. That thing is a forum legend

[yo123]

that was a fun post to get the grief off me

hopefully someone digs up the thread where "Osi is a better and more productive DE than Julius Peppers" blew up. That thing is a forum legend


Even though that ended up being true eventually, it still made no sense to say he was better than Peppers at the time. Number 10 gets to much credit for that.

If I said that Tarvaris Jackson was a better and more productive QB than Peyton Manning and it miraculously came true, that doesn't mean what I said wasn't ridiculous.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

It would compliment very well if it was actually a duo.. It's like saying Turner and Norwood are a duo. No, there's a feature back and a backup.

the most wasted duo of all time was LT/Turner. So unfortunate they had LT play full time during those years. Maybe he wouldn't be winding down so fast if The Burner had taken an extra 100 carries off his load every year :(

[Giantsfan1080]

Even though that ended up being true eventually, it still made no sense to say he was better than Peppers at the time. Number 10 gets to much credit for that.

If I said that Tarvaris Jackson was a better and more productive QB than Peyton Manning and it miraculously came true, that doesn't mean what I said wasn't ridiculous.

I don't want to make this another De thread but #10 was on the money. It wasn't a miracle that he was right, it was based on watching football. Osi showed how dominant he could and Pepers played a back seat role. Osi had all the intangibles to show he could be a top 5 DE and then he came out and proved it.

[The Dynasty]

The thing is that some of you are acting like since he fumbled we lost those games but when he has fumbled we are 3-1 and the only lost was to the Titans. Him fumbling is a problem but look at Tiki he had a terrible fumbling problem and he got it fixed so its still AD > DW.

[MetSox17]

I remember i got flamed when i mentioned AD's running style could cause fumbling problems.

[BlindSite]

Even though that ended up being true eventually, it still made no sense to say he was better than Peppers at the time. Number 10 gets to much credit for that.

If I said that Tarvaris Jackson was a better and more productive QB than Peyton Manning and it miraculously came true, that doesn't mean what I said wasn't ridiculous.

Well it didn't, but still...

[yo123]

Well it didn't, but still...

It did for a while.

[The Dynasty]

For what its worth, These two teams played this year against each other. Vikings Duo ran for 121 Yards in 28 Attempts and Panthers Duo ran for 42 yards and 17 Attempts. I know people will come back at me saying it was earlier in the season but still...

[Shane P. Hallam]

Kevin Smith and Rudi Johnson not mentioned yet?

[SchizophrenicBatman]

I don't want to make this another De thread but #10 was on the money. It wasn't a miracle that he was right, it was based on watching football. Osi showed how dominant he could and Pepers played a back seat role. Osi had all the intangibles to show he could be a top 5 DE and then he came out and proved it.

I feel almost the same way about DeAngelo though. I've thought he was chronically underrated since day 1. He does everything well except turn a 40 yard run into an 80 yarder because he doesn't have long speed. However, comparing him to Osi is a little much. Osi is still an athletic freak, maybe not as much as Peppers, but still, while D-Will really isn't.

WRT to Vikings being 3-1...Delhomme has won a bunch of games this year where he's played like complete ass with stupid interceptions (today being an example). Doesn't mean throwing dumb interceptions is ok. A better example might be Favre throwing interceptions while carrying teams with a bunch of TDs and such, but still, throwing interceptions isn't ideal. Taking a few risks here and there is ok, and honestly you have to do it every now and then...but 7 fumbles in 12 games? come on

But yes, fumbling can be fixed, I said that. I wonder how many posts this thread would have if I just said "I'd rather have DeAngelo's production than AD's this year because he's still crazy good and hasn't fumbled" rather than shortening it spur of the moment

[comahan]

No kidding JBond. And the lack of Slaton and uh.

Wait, whos our #2 back?

Whoever it is. Theyre up there as well.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

For what its worth, These two teams played this year against each other. Vikings Duo ran for 121 Yards in 28 Attempts and Panthers Duo ran for 42 yards and 17 Attempts. I know people will come back at me saying it was earlier in the season but still...

nah that's a valid point. Of course, the Williams twins >>> Damione Lewis and Maake Kemoeatu but still. There's plenty of arguments for AD > DeAngelo just for this season alone, much less altogether (which I never mean to contend) just as there's valid arguments for any of a number of RBBC's over the Williams/Stewart duo

One big one being that DeAngelo/Stewart have been shut down a few times. That Vikings game being one, the earlier Bucs game being another, and I think there was a third sometime

[ShutDwn]

AD and Taylor are probably better right now, only because of Peterson. But I have a feeling that Stewart is going to be a monster. He has made veterans look like small children all year, he is just physically dominating.

This duo is so incredibly young.

[BlindSite]

Point is, overall Carolina has a better record than Minnesota, the Carolina duo has more yards, touchdowns, higher average and less fumbles.

The duo is better, by a decent margin.

AD is the best back in the NFL right now, by a decent margin.

/thread

[Bruce Banner]

best back in the league + average starter > two above average starter backs

[djp]

People forget easily how good Chester Taylor is.

Let's remember he ran for 1200 yards the year before we drafted Peterson and that was on a bad bad team.

He's the perfect third down back. Great hands, great pass blocker. He's absolutely invaluable to the Vikings. He does everything well that Adrian can't quite do just yet.

To me, that's what a complimentary RB is all about.

[BlindSite]

best back in the league + average starter > two above average starter backs

Funny how it doesn't translate into more wins or more production. I guess you're right though... :rolleyes:

[LonghornsLegend]

Stewart is just so nasty, I can't wait until he gets a chance to get 20 carries because he's a monster, he looks every bit as fast as Deangelo with so much more strength, I thought he was the prototypical RB coming out and he looks like it.


Deangelo is very impressive with his vision and acceleration, very nice duo, their not the best duo yet but one of the better ones easily.

[LonghornsLegend]

Funny how it doesn't translate into more wins or more production. I guess you're right though... :rolleyes:

That's not what the thread or discussion is even about though, why does more wins = better RB?

[Bruce Banner]

Funny how it doesn't translate into more wins or more production. I guess you're right though... :rolleyes:

too many other variables at play to use that type of assessment. (defenses faced, o-line quality, offensive schemes, etc)

I'm basing this on talent alone.

[BlindSite]

too many other variables at play to use that type of assessment.

I'm basing this on talent alone.

Good thing we have you then, to correct us all, when viable evidence can be discounted just because...

[Bruce Banner]

Good thing we have you then, to correct us all, when viable evidence can be discounted just because...

(defenses faced, o-line quality, offensive schemes, etc)

things nobody are compensating for. (or should try to atm)

[Shane P. Hallam]

Wins have little to do with talent at one position.

[PACKmanN]

No kidding JBond. And the lack of Slaton and uh.

Wait, whos our #2 back?

Whoever it is. Theyre up there as well.

we all know Grant is the second best running back in the NFL. Plus Brandon Jackson's 5.5 YPC. Who can stop us, lol.

[tjsunstein]

We're talking about best DUOS(!), not best running back plus their backup.

I quit this thread since what is meant to be discussed is being ignored. The stats are there if you read the thread through.

[Bruce Banner]

We're talking about best DUOS(!), not best running back plus their backup.

I quit this thread since what is meant to be discussed is being ignored. The stats are there if you read the thread through.

certain "running back plus their backup" situations would be true duos in they were in different schemes and such.

I think it's only fair if we base if on talent alone.

[LonghornsLegend]

We're talking about best DUOS(!), not best running back plus their backup.

I quit this thread since what is meant to be discussed is being ignored. The stats are there if you read the thread through.

You act like the Vikings just don't use Chestor Taylor.

[PACKmanN]

nah that's a valid point. Of course, the Williams twins >>> Damione Lewis and Maake Kemoeatu but still. There's plenty of arguments for AD > DeAngelo just for this season alone, much less altogether (which I never mean to contend) just as there's valid arguments for any of a number of RBBC's over the Williams/Stewart duo

One big one being that DeAngelo/Stewart have been shut down a few times. That Vikings game being one, the earlier Bucs game being another, and I think there was a third sometime

lol, AD had 103 yards on 19 carries vs. us and 192 on 30 carries vs. us the second time, while the duo of Williams and Stewart had 128 on 25 carries. And we know how horrible the packers run d is.

[OzTitan]

certain "running back plus their backup" situations would be true duos in they were in different schemes and such.

I think it's only fair if we base if on talent alone.



And certain 3-4 OLB's would be great 4-3 DE's in the right schemes, but that doesn't mean they should be discussed in 'best 4-3 DE' threads.

I'd consider a "duo" a pairing that both see the ball a fair bit, where there isn't a clear #1 in all stat categories. How much would the Vikings running game suffer if CT went down? I doubt it would be much, where as any of the two in Tennesee and Carolina for instance may create an issue for the team. Now, part of that is because Peterson is so good, but it also comes down to how they're being used. I'd consider the Vikings to have a clear starter-backup thing going.

With that said, a Panthers v Titans Superbowl would be pretty cool if both run games got going.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Obviously, the answer is LT and Michael Turner.

[niel89]

Funny how it doesn't translate into more wins or more production. I guess you're right though... :rolleyes:

teams win and lose game not just RBs

[tjsunstein]

You act like the Vikings just don't use Chestor Taylor.

What do you define as use? 6 carries a game?

[tjsunstein]

Obviously, the answer is LT and Michael Turner.

How? It's a yes or no question. ;)

[BlindSite]

teams win and lose game not just RBs

I'm refuting the statement that AP and CT is better than Williams and Stewart when there's no evidence to support that statement.

Other than someone's opinion.

Its not really fair to discount the record of a team if they're a run first team. Even if you want to dismiss that, there's no denying the Panthers / Titans duos have more impressive statistics.

[throwback54milkman]

any props to Thomas Jones and Leon Washington??

[giantsfan]

Wins have little to do with talent at one position.

LIAR wins and losses are entirely determine by the beastliness of a teams best player.

[Halsey]

I bet the Chargers feel stupid that they didn't let Michael Turner share the load with LT more. They didn't know what they had in Turner and they let him walk away just in time for all that work to catch up to LT's body. They had the best RB tandem and didn't know it.

and BTW, Turner is now second in the NFL in rushing, first in TD's and has only lost one fumble all year despite leading the NFL in carries. Turner and Norwood are a pretty good combo themselves.

[BlindSite]

LIAR wins and losses are entirely determine by the beastliness of a teams best player.

I never said it was the only factor and I didn't even elude to that opinion. That is what people deduced from me including W/L records in the discussion.

You're just taking shots now for the sake of it.

[giantsfan]

I never said it was the only factor and I didn't even elude to that opinion. That is what people deduced from me including W/L records in the discussion.

You're just taking shots now for the sake of it.

I never just take shots for the sake of it, I take them because they're there due to someone saying something stupid or someone doing a good job with the set up and me having to finish it.

But I'm going to you humor you with this notion that you didn't imply anything by including the w/l records and ask you wtf you meant by this then: "Funny how it doesn't translate into more wins"

[BlindSite]

He's saying that having one great back and an average one is better than two above average ones. I already pointed out that the two above average backs have better stats (tennessee and carolina) and he discounted that just saying its better.

If it doesn't translate to a better record, or better production, why is it an advantage?

It was a response to a post from another person and you jumped on it baselessly. Read the thread.

[giantsfan]

He's saying that having one great back and an average one is better than two above average ones. I already pointed out that the two above average backs have better stats (tennessee and carolina) and he discounted that just saying its better.

If it doesn't translate to a better record, or better production, why is it an advantage?

It was a response to a post from another person and you jumped on it baselessly. Read the thread.

Just because I didn't feel obligated to post extensively this thread doesn't mean I haven't read it. However your argument is just getting atrocious since your using numbers without considering context at all when trying to argue that your duo is better than the duo of the best RB in the league and an above average starter.

But hey carolina's two backs are winning and don't have to overcome a faultering oline, gus frerotte and brad childress thus have better combined stats, although you're conveniently missing out on all of the catches Chester taylor has and I have yet to see you even mention blocking.

Please continue, I'm not going to argue with you anymore and will just proceed to laugh at your posts, as I do most of the time and let you try and remove your tongue from the brown of whatever panther gets mentioned.

That said you guys aren't even better than the giants duo or the titans duo and neither of those duos is as good as Minnesota's

[bored of education]

Can someone say beast? Can someone say > Maroney. I can and always have. I have been high on DeAngelo for quite some time. JStew is sick as well. A very good combo.

[Caddy]

Great combo but Johnson/White does it for me.

[Draft King]

I like the Williams/Stewart combo, they both run hard and have deceptive speed.

Top 5 Combos

1a - Stewart/Williams
1b - Peterson/Taylor
2 - Johnson/White
3 - Jones-Drew/Taylor
4 - Turner/Norwood
5 - T. Jones/Washington

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Top 3 for sure. Personally my #1 is Chris Johnson and Lendale because Johnson is that every down home run threat who can do it out of the backfield rushing or receiving, and Lendale is the perfect complement since he is one of the best goalline backs in the NFL. A team like the Eagles could definitely have the best duo in the league if they could find a thunder for Westbrook's lightning. Guys like Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, and even AD and Turner even though they have capable backups will never have the best duos because these guys get the bulk of the carries making their backups nothing more than fill in's when they are tired.

[abaddon41_80]

Personally, and not to take anything away from Williams and Stewart, I think that when two guys can put up great numbers like that it says more about the offensive line than the players. I voted 'yes', btw.

[jkpigskin]

Can someone say beast? Can someone say > Maroney. I can and always have. I have been high on DeAngelo for quite some time. JStew is sick as well. A very good combo.

i really liked deangelo when he came out... i remember watching highlights of him on youtube when he was at memphis... im glad he's really turned it on

ghetto brings up a really valid point... some of the names being brought up are nothing more than a starter and a backup who comes in when that guy is tired... michael turner is the featured back, AD is the featured back, thomas jones is the featured back... that cant be considered a duo

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Its a tandem, not a threesome...

LOL.. Yup our team should be out of this. We are in the threesome category.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

i really liked deangelo when he came out... i remember watching highlights of him on youtube when he was at memphis... im glad he's really turned it on

ghetto brings up a really valid point... some of the names being brought up are nothing more than a starter and a backup who comes in when that guy is tired... michael turner is the featured back, AD is the featured back, thomas jones is the featured back... that cant be considered a duo

Yeah an elite duo for me is a tandem in which you get at least 4ypc on every single play because the guy is fresh. With say AD you will get huge runs but a bunch of 1-2 yard runs because he's tired.

[Hines]

The best group of running backs is Cedric Benson and Kenny Watson. Kidding aside, i think AP and CT are the best. Both can be high profile guys and have a bad passing game. Once they get a quarterback to keep the defense honest, I think AP will break the rushing record.

J Stew and DLo are good, but not as good as AP and CT IMO.

[TitanHope]

What makes LenDale White so good at scoring touchdowns?

The endzone paint is edible...

[Aftermath]

Stewart is making Oregon fans real proud.

Dixon is up next, go baby!

[Gay Ork Wang]

What makes LenDale White so good at scoring touchdowns?

The endzone paint is edible...
the white lines are made of icing

[bigbluedefense]

Its good to see DeAngelo do his thing. I liked him the most personally out of the RBs in that class. (Maroney, Addai, Williams)

I also think he's gained some weight over the seasons as well. I don't remember him coming into the league with that mass. He's a stud.

So is Stewart. Great RB duo.


But I agree with others, Minny has the best duo.

[LonghornsLegend]

i really liked deangelo when he came out... i remember watching highlights of him on youtube when he was at memphis... im glad he's really turned it on

ghetto brings up a really valid point... some of the names being brought up are nothing more than a starter and a backup who comes in when that guy is tired... michael turner is the featured back, AD is the featured back, thomas jones is the featured back... that cant be considered a duo


On Deangelo's first TD as soon as he got the ball handed to him he had 3 guys in his face, he made a sick cut to the left and hit the corner before anyone touched him, that's the vision and acceleration I love from him.


He's really starting to come into his own now, been putting up 100 yards like it's nothing.

[bigbluedefense]

Carolina btw, is a team no one wants to see in the playoffs.

Right here right now, theyre my pick to go to the SB out of the NFC.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Carolina's OLine has really stepped it up for sure. Otah is a beast in the run game, Kalil gets to the second level and pulls well and Keydrick Vincent has been an excellent pick up. That said, it's not like the Vikings, Titans or Giants OLines suck either, and Otah and Kalil have missed a lot of games this year

Can one make the other look good? Yea, but you need both to look great. Just like QB/OLine/WR

[ShutDwn]

Carolina btw, is a team no one wants to see in the playoffs.

Right here right now, theyre my pick to go to the SB out of the NFC.

Delhomme has to pick it up. We won't run that well for often, regardless of how good they are. Delhomme cannot make those mistakes, and he consistently has.

The Panthers oline, Jeff King and Hoover did a great job, but DeAngelo and Stewart also made some nice cuts in their own backfield when they should have been stopped. They also did their job at the second level and broke tackles.

DeAngelo can be used in the passing game so much more too. Hopefully they are going to change things up in the coming weeks, they still have so much untapped potential on the offense.

[TitanHope]

That said, it's not like the Vikings, Titans or Giants OLines suck either...

I actually think that the Titans OL's run-blocking has dropped off from last year. Our LG was the backup center last season, and our RG, Jake Scott, is 30 lbs lighter than our starting RG last season. Mawae is getting up there in age and is only around 290 to begin with, but he's still performing at a good level. They struggle with massive NT's, like Kris Jenkins in the loss to the Jets, but on the otherhand, they do excel at getting to the next level in blocking.

[Gay Ork Wang]

The VIkings have Ryan Cook.
Nuff said

[ChezPower4]

Marion Barber and Felix Jones were gonna make some noise as a tandem this year, till Felix broke all of our hearts. :(

Those two really go togeather well. Barber is a lot of power and wear you down type back. Jones is lighting quick and shifty. He's a great change of pace and it really worked well before Jones was hurt.

[bigbluedefense]

Delhomme has to pick it up. We won't run that well for often, regardless of how good they are. Delhomme cannot make those mistakes, and he consistently has.

The Panthers oline, Jeff King and Hoover did a great job, but DeAngelo and Stewart also made some nice cuts in their own backfield when they should have been stopped. They also did their job at the second level and broke tackles.

DeAngelo can be used in the passing game so much more too. Hopefully they are going to change things up in the coming weeks, they still have so much untapped potential on the offense.

Delhomme is such a clutch qb in the playoffs though. He's proven over the course of his career that he steps it up 2 notches in the playoffs. Which is why I think Carolina is a scary team.

Carolina always overperforms in the playoffs bc of Delhomme's improvement, their run game, that defense, and Fox is one hell of a playoff coach as well. The team as a whole just plays really well in the playoffs.

[Ward]

Exactly, everyone is on their nuts now. Bandwagoners..
Is Antonio Bryant gonna get noticed now because of his awesome catch and 200 yard game? Because he now has 4 100 yards games this year. Ask how many 100 yard games Colston has had, Boldin, Calvin, TO, Reggie Wayne... Bryant has more and only about half of you noticed.

As a Cowboys fan, I know who Bryant is and I can't say this shocks me. The kid has always had talent, but has always been a headcase. I hope he's finally grown up, because the he can play.

[thebow305]

I officially admit I was wrong about Williams, I thought the guy was a bum and nothing more than a 3rd down back prior to this season.

[TitleTown088]

Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor. Chester easily should be a starter on another team. But This might the Homer in me coming out.

No homer, They are ridiculous and run behind a dank run offense.

[tjsunstein]

As a Cowboys fan, I know who Bryant is and I can't say this shocks me. The kid has always had talent, but has always been a headcase. I hope he's finally grown up, because the he can play.

Haha you're part of that other half then. Most people wrote him off but he's been having a quiet storm of a season until last night where the storm was no longer quiet.

[D-Rod]

It's worth noting that the Vikings run game has to contend with more 8 in the box than the Panthers.

The trio of Delhomme-Smith-Moose is much more restrictive of how many men a defense can commit to the run than Frerotte-Berrian-Rice. That makes a big difference.

Also, while I've been impressed with D-Will, I'd like to see him repeat the performance next year. When does he need to get paid by the Panthers? End of next year, perhaps? I'd still be reluctant to throw big bucks at him at the present moment.

[Xiomera]

For me, the best duo remains Kevin Smith and Aveion Cason.

DYNAMITE!

In all seriousness though, I do think they are the best duo as of right now.

[umphrey]

AP and Chester Taylor? Still the best no question

Then
MJD/Taylor
Williams/Stewart
Jacobs/Ward

Johnson and Lenwhale are overrated but they still crack the top 6 I guess

[tjsunstein]

AP and Chester Taylor? Still the best no question

Then
MJD/Taylor
Williams/Stewart
Jacobs/Ward

Johnson and Lenwhale are overrated but they still crack the top 6 I guess

Pleaseee tell me this isnt a serious post! Everything bolded I went "!?!?!?!?!????!?!?!???!?!?!" to.

[Gay Ork Wang]

MJD is such a beast, god just give them something remotely close to a passing game. I believe it took garrard 1 half to get one pass to a WR/TE

[MetSox17]

MJD is such a beast, god just give them something remotely close to a passing game. I believe it took garrard 1 half to get one pass to a WR/TE

Someone bring back that David Garrard signs an extension thread. Then, too, i got flamed for saying he was ridiculously overrated and over-paid.

[Gay Ork Wang]

i really think a big thing is the pass protection. I mean ******* Mark Anderson got a sack. The other thing is Garrard made some weird throws. The first interception was like Right into the hands of Daniel Manning

[tjsunstein]

Someone bring back that David Garrard signs an extension thread. Then, too, i got flamed for saying he was ridiculously overrated and over-paid.

I think if you could suck yourself off, you would. Just based on your posts of how much you love to bask in yourself being right. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[sbh15]

Chris Johnson and LenDale White are number 1 in terms of production.

I'd take the Titans flash over the Panthers (Johnson v Williams) and the Panthers smash over the Titans (White v Stewart). Imagine a tandem of Johnson and Stewart. Wow.

Anyway, this much hype is a tad premature. I'd take the Jaguars tandem (solely for MJD and what he can do with a healthy O-Line), the Titans tandem, and the Vikings tandems as of right now.

[BlindSite]

Delhomme is such a clutch qb in the playoffs though. He's proven over the course of his career that he steps it up 2 notches in the playoffs. Which is why I think Carolina is a scary team.

Carolina always overperforms in the playoffs bc of Delhomme's improvement, their run game, that defense, and Fox is one hell of a playoff coach as well. The team as a whole just plays really well in the playoffs.

Appreciate the props to the team. I think I saw somewhere Carolina has like the 3rd best record % wise in the playoffs and under fox the team is 5-2 never finishing lower than an NFCCG.

Other than one horrendous game, Delhomme was one of the top two post season QBs by rating in NFL history.

I like our chances in the playoffs. I just hope that the team can continue playing at a high level against denver and especially in the closer against NO. A first round bye off would be good for the Panthers.




Oh and as for the RB discussion. Keep in mind that for 4 games this season the Panthers were without Otah and for 5 or 6 I think, we were without Kalil. So the Oline hasn't been healthy all year either.


I'm also wanting to put this out there. Despite all the comparisons when Williams was coming out I did then and still do compare him strongly to Priest Holmes. Same style of running and the same slashing cuts and excellent vision and power. They're almost identical in size too. Any one else agree with the comparison?

[OzTitan]

Chris Johnson and LenDale White are number 1 in terms of production.

I'd take the Titans flash over the Panthers (Johnson v Williams) and the Panthers smash over the Titans (White v Stewart). Imagine a tandem of Johnson and Stewart. Wow.

Anyway, this much hype is a tad premature. I'd take the Jaguars tandem (solely for MJD and what he can do with a healthy O-Line), the Titans tandem, and the Vikings tandems as of right now.

They are? I thought DW/JS were?

I've noticed the Panthers duo have also started being associated with the 'smash and dash' title (I say "also" because the Titans duo coined that a little while back ;)). But who's smash and who's dash? Pretty clear on the Titans (even though LenDale White has the longest run between the two, lol), but both Panthers backs to me seem to be skewed towards power. At least, if they weren't so good at breaking first contact, they wouldn't have had anywhere near as big a game against the Buccs, and while Williams is 'quick', he doesn't seem overly fast. I think Stewart may be faster? On the other hand, Stewart doesn't seem to be significantly more powerful a runner than Williams to me.

So yeah, in short, get a new title :P

[ShutDwn]

Delhomme is such a clutch qb in the playoffs though. He's proven over the course of his career that he steps it up 2 notches in the playoffs. Which is why I think Carolina is a scary team.

Carolina always overperforms in the playoffs bc of Delhomme's improvement, their run game, that defense, and Fox is one hell of a playoff coach as well. The team as a whole just plays really well in the playoffs.

That is what I am hoping for, he has all the tools he needs to be incredibly efficient, other than sometimes I wish the coordinator Davidson wouldn't try and switch it up when there is no need.

I really think that Delhomme is more uncomfortable when there is less pressure on him. He has proven through his career that he plays better under pressure (physical or not) then he does against little adversity.


Chris Johnson and LenDale White are number 1 in terms of production.

I'd take the Titans flash over the Panthers (Johnson v Williams) and the Panthers smash over the Titans (White v Stewart). Imagine a tandem of Johnson and Stewart. Wow.

Anyway, this much hype is a tad premature. I'd take the Jaguars tandem (solely for MJD and what he can do with a healthy O-Line), the Titans tandem, and the Vikings tandems as of right now.

The Panthers are number one in production.

[GB12]

Appreciate the props to the team. I think I saw somewhere Carolina has like the 3rd best record % wise in the playoffs and under fox the team is 5-2 never finishing lower than an NFCCG.
The Panthers have only been to the playoffs three times. Those numbers mean absolutely nothing. Playoff records in general don't mean much.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Rings are awesome!

[49ersfan_87]

I don't know if theyre the best, but it was a lot of fun to watch that offense run the ball in the 2nd half (no offense bucs fans). Credit to the OL for opening some big holes, credit to the backs for breaking about 5 tackles a run. Run the ball like that and they're going to win a few games in January.

[ShutDwn]

The Panthers have only been to the playoffs three times. Those numbers mean absolutely nothing. Playoff records in general don't mean much.

Well, it does when you have guys like Delhomme and Smith. They are a big reason for the Panther's success in the playoffs, both have stepped up big time.

They have a lot of guys who were on the team a few years ago, and some that were on the superbowl team. Playoff stats don't usually matter because players change, but the main ingredients have stayed the same for the Panthers.

[sbh15]

The Panthers are number one in production.

In terms of rushing yards, by about 200. In terms of touchdowns, they're -3.

[ShutDwn]

rushing, they are only -1, including receiving they are equal.

[sbh15]

rushing, they are only -1, including receiving they are equal.

Well my math went down the pooper there.

[BaLLiN]

In the beginning of the season i thought the best tandem wouldve gone to Willie Parker and Rashard Mendenhall, id like to admit defeat

[jkpigskin]

AP and Chester Taylor? Still the best no question

Then
MJD/Taylor
Williams/Stewart
Jacobs/Ward

Johnson and Lenwhale are overrated but they still crack the top 6 I guess

how does this make any sense...i would love to hear wat you have to say about this

[ShutDwn]

how does this make any sense...i would love to hear wat you have to say about this

I can see Lendale being over rated. I really don't expect him to ever equal this years production.

[giantsfan]

I can see Lendale being over rated. I really don't expect him to ever equal this years production.

I could say the same thing about DeAngelo Williams, that said I expect both Stewart and Johnson to be even better next season so I see those two stepping up and replacing whatever production their partner losses.

[BlindSite]

I don't think Stewart will be ready to replace Williams for another year to be honest. He seems to be taking a bit of time picking up the playbook.

I love stewart and eventually I think he'll be ready to go and we'll allow williams to leave and have him as the featured back but Williams has been amazing this season and he's only going to get better. This is only Otah's rookie season and its only Kalil's first as a starter and already they're brilliant in the running game. Give those two another year at the pro level and they'll make a scary middle to right hand side of the line.

[bearfan]

I would give them #1 this season. Williams has 15TDs, over the past 3 games he has had 7TDs. He really has come on strong latley.
You can say Peterson/Taylor, but Stewart has 700 yards rushing and 8 rushing touchdowns to Taylors 300some rushing and 3tds. I believe that Stewart/Williams YPC is 4.9 and over 5. I looked up Taylors, and its below 4.

So Im going to go with Williams/Stewart as the #1 right now.

[ChezPower4]

I don't think Stewart will be ready to replace Williams for another year to be honest. He seems to be taking a bit of time picking up the playbook.

I love stewart and eventually I think he'll be ready to go and we'll allow williams to leave and have him as the featured back but Williams has been amazing this season and he's only going to get better. This is only Otah's rookie season and its only Kalil's first as a starter and already they're brilliant in the running game. Give those two another year at the pro level and they'll make a scary middle to right hand side of the line.

So your saying that you'd rather see Stewart get more carries come next season?

[BlindSite]

I'm saying he won't be ready to be a starter for atleast another 10 games or so and another offseason in the playbook.

[captainjack27]

In the beginning of the season i thought the best tandem wouldve gone to Willie Parker and Rashard Mendenhall, id like to admit defeat

It had the potential to be, but injuries killed it. Next year, provided if Moore stays (I'm not sure how long we signed him for) Pitt could have a good tandem of Parker, Mendenhall, and Moore. Not mention Gary Russell is a good young player as well.

[CC.SD]

I'll give it to em; They are beastly. I think over the offseason the Steelers take a crack at straightening out their O-line and unleashing Mendenhall and Parker though.

[TitanHope]

I can see Lendale being over rated. I really don't expect him to ever equal this years production.

I have a soft spot for LenWhale. I have no clue why, but I always find myself defending him from other Titans fans.

LenDale receives a lot of unjust criticism for his play. Now, he deserves the knocks for his weight (which looks to be waaaaay down this season - I've never seen him look so small) and conditioning, but many criticize him because he's not a sexy back.

Last year was a rough season for the Titans offense. Vince Young was dealing with injury and wasn't making strides in his development, his receivers weren't making plays, and Norm Chow's offensive playcalling was predictable. Every game, LenDale faced 8+ man fronts and the offense had no way to clear it out for him. To compound that, LenDale is a big back. He's not going to provide the explosive plays from the RB position weekly like fans want, especially when DEF's are loading up against the run. He was set up for failure, but still handled the load for the 5th ranked rushing offense in the NFL and ran for 1,110 yards and 1,224 total yards.

This season, LenDale has excelled with increased playmakers around him. While Kerry Collins has been great and has given the offense the passing threat, Chris Johnson has opened this entire offense up and his presence has been the most impactful. It has caused LenDale's rushing attempts and yardage to decrease, but it has allowed his yards per attempt average to increase and his TD's to increase. Both RB's compliment each other perfectly, and are being used in ways that are most successful for the offense.

LenDale isn't a "feature" running back like Chris Johnson, DeAngelo Williams, or even Jonathan Stewart, so it's hard to compare him to those types of RB's. He is what he is, but he has a prominent role in the offense and has been very successful in his opportunities.

[OzTitan]

Still, though, there is some truth to the argument Ron Dayne could probably be doing what LenDale is doing right now. Well, maybe not, as White is very durable, but he's fairly replaceable I would think.

Here's a fun fact though - LenDale White still has the longest run in the NFL this season at 80yards. lol.

[whatadai]

At the beginning of the season I thought Mendenhall and FWP would be the best RBBC while DeAngelo Williams would end up being a great feature back that very few saw coming with Stewart being a non-factor. I was kind of right.

[sbh15]

Still, though, there is some truth to the argument Ron Dayne could probably be doing what LenDale is doing right now. Well, maybe not, as White is very durable, but he's fairly replaceable I would think.

Here's a fun fact though - LenDale White still has the longest run in the NFL this season at 80yards. lol.

That **** ****** me in fantasy.

[Menardo75]

I don't think they are quite yet. I would rank any combination of the Giant backs over them today.

[ThatThereCarGoin200mph]

i wish i could repost all the chris johnson haters from the nfl draft forum before the draft! haha he has certainly proved the billion million naysayers wrong remember even the espn guys gave titans a "terrible" draft "shouldnt have taken chris johnson in the first round" hah

[OzTitan]

i wish i could repost all the chris johnson haters from the nfl draft forum before the draft! haha he has certainly proved the billion million naysayers wrong remember even the espn guys gave titans a "terrible" draft "shouldnt have taken chris johnson in the first round" hah

I recall some expert saying the Titans wouldn't make the playoffs after their apparently appauling 08 draft.

Hrmmm, now who was that? :)

[TitanHope]

I didn't like the Chris Johnson pick, but man has he proven me wrong in every single way possible. In fact, if you remember Oz, I pitched a fit about Reinfeldt after the draft because I was so displeased. Now, it looks like it was one of the best drafts we've had in recent memory.

I'm not gonna be one to criticize MR for a while after that....unless he lets Haynesworth walk. :P

[giantsfan]

The greatest RB duo in the World is Sergio Kindle and Sergio Kindle.

[OzTitan]

Unfortunately, whether Haynesworth walks or not will be up to him and not MR. MR can only ensure whether or not he walks with a good deal offered by the Titans.

As for the CJ pick, I would have been less happy had a better quality WR been available, but at the time I was pretty pleased and felt most people overreacted to the bevy of early RB picks the Titans had made because they are a very run happy team after all, and it was clear a big play threat was needed for the offense - having one at RB made sense to me.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

im sure haynesworth will return to the titans because you guys are stacked and have a quality team and are a top 2 team if not number 1 and i dont have him wanting to leave that and im jealous of the titans having chris johnson his a stud

[captainjack27]

The greatest RB duo in the World is Sergio Kindle and Sergio Kindle.

QFT. How could we be so blind?

[whatadai]

Unfortunately, whether Haynesworth walks or not will be up to him and not MR. MR can only ensure whether or not he walks with a good deal offered by the Titans.

As for the CJ pick, I would have been less happy had a better quality WR been available, but at the time I was pretty pleased and felt most people overreacted to the bevy of early RB picks the Titans had made because they are a very run happy team after all, and it was clear a big play threat was needed for the offense - having one at RB made sense to me.

I don't think all the overreaction was because of CJ, but because the picked a RB. Everyone thought just cause the Titans had no passing game whatsoever, getting an RB would be useless with 8 in the box against them on every play. Few just knew how explosive CJ actually is.

[stephenson86]

i would happily take CJ and lenwhale over anyone else

[Saints-Tigers]

I'll take Peterson over any RB duo.

[bearfan]

forget actual analysis, stats = everything.

I know that they dont, but I think they say enough in this case. Stewart vs Taylor...Taylor is more experienced, but he hasnt produced as Stewart has this season. Adrian Peterson is easily the best RB in the league, but since this is best dou, with Stewart being more productive, I give the nod to Carolina.

[ShutDwn]

I heard DeAngelo and Stewart stole the dance they do from the titans too!!!

[TitanHope]

I heard DeAngelo and Stewart stole the dance they do from the titans too!!!

They did?! Those bastards...

[OzTitan]

I heard DeAngelo and Stewart stole the dance they do from the titans too!!!

That's just dumb of them. I mean sure, take the name LenDale White came up with - they can back it up on the football field if need be - but you're just asking to be served if you start stealing L-Dub's dance moves.

[OzTitan]

gosh, and some part of me wonders if that has anything to do with stewart having almost twice as many carries behind a less talented back... hmm.

common sense tends to go a long way in preventing this kind of argument.

I think the real problem is a cross over in topics. Some people seem to be talking about fantasy (in the traditional sense, not NFL sense) duos asking 'who would be the best duo given the opportunity to split carries?', where as other people seem to be talking about actual duos on teams who run a 2-back system based on carry sharing and not a primary-backup system based on giving the primary back a breather every so often. My impression was this thread was about the latter.

[TitanHope]

That's just dumb of them. I mean sure, take the name LenDale White came up with - they can back it up on the football field if need be - but you're just asking to be served if you start stealing L-Dub's dance moves.

It seems that the whole nickname controversy has been put to rest.

THERE WAS ONE MORE MATTER ... of discussion in the locker room Wednesday regarding Williams – the search for a firm, permanent nickname for him and Jonathan Stewart.

"Smash and Dash" has circulated throughout local circles; Williams said in the locker room after the Nov. 16 win over the Detroit Lions that he heard that moniker from fans, and felt it would stick. But with the Tennessee Titans' ground duo of LenDale White and Chris Johnson also answering to "Smash and Dash," some, like wide receiver Steve Smith, thought that there should be something original for the Panthers' runners.

His suggestion?

"It's 'Razzle and Dazzle,'" Smith said. "DeAngelo's 'Razzle' and Jonathan is 'Dazzle.'"

"It's not 'Smash and Dash,'" he continued. "The offensive linemen did a poll. The receivers, quarterbacks, training room, staff – and it's 'Razzle and Dazzle.'"

http://www.panthers.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=42170


Personally, I think "Smash 'n Dash" will stick like "Thunder 'n Lightning" did after LenDale/Bush at USC, and will be used to reference other RB's besides these two tandems. What shall the next great nickname be? My money's on "Shake 'n Bake!"

[OzTitan]

Someone over at a Titans messageboard had a good suggestion for CJ and White - Dash & Dine.

Razze and Dazzle probably make more sense anyway. Williams and Stewart aren't polar opposites like White and Johnson, which Smash and Dash would suggest.

[TitanHope]

Stewart is a little brick though. He's what? 5'10, 230? In comparison, LenDale is 6'1, 245 - I think he's that small. He's looked skinnier as of late. Stewart is all muscle too. Stewart is shorter and lighter than White, but he still has great power due to his compact, muscular body.

DeAngelo Williams is 5'9, 190, so JStew is much thicker in comparison. JStew still has good speed, which makes his power appear poorer. Though, LenDale's speed is very under-rated, in my opinion. When he chooses to, he can hit the hole with great velocity. But, he tends to be too patient and dances through the hole. If he continues to make his cut and go full speed ahead, he'll steal more carries away from CJ.

[D-Rod]

Someone over at a Titans messageboard had a good suggestion for CJ and White - Dash & Dine.

Razze and Dazzle probably make more sense anyway. Williams and Stewart aren't polar opposites like White and Johnson, which Smash and Dash would suggest.

No, it's the other way round, what poor students do: Dine & Dash

[BlindSite]

gosh, and some part of me wonders if that has anything to do with stewart having almost twice as many carries behind a less talented back... hmm.

common sense tends to go a long way in preventing this kind of argument.

I think everyone acknowledged a long time ago that Minnesota has the best featured back in the NFL by a long margin, and yes I agree that stats rarely tell the full story, in this case:

Williams and Stewart have more yards, more yards per carry, less turnovers and more touchdowns.

The Rushing offense is ranked 4th in the NFL compared to 6th

There is a case to be made.

I look at it like this:

Adrian Peterson is a 9.5 out of 10 back (fumbles and some receiving game issues prevent the full 10)

Chester Taylor is barely a 5.5 out of 10 back

DeAngelo is an 8 out of 10
Stewart is a 7.5 out of ten

As a tandem Deangelo and Stewart are the better Pair, but as singular players Peterson is far and away a better runner.

That being said, I still think Tennessee gets the nod as the best tandem and NYG are far and away the best ground unit in the NFL.

[giantsfan]

based on what? last season when peterson was hurt, taylor played very well in his relief. this year, while peterson's been healthy, taylor hasn't gotten a chance. i don't buy that him not seeing the field is any basis for argument, given that he's behind the best running back in the nfl right now. he's shown he has the ability to be a roughly 1200 yard back (might as well extrapolate some stats from last season and the season before) by himself. i don't buy that stewart has shown that, and really, outside of the last 6 games, williams hadn't shown anything close to that.

Chester Taylor his last season in baltimore and first season in minny was at least as impressive as DeAngelo Williams is looking right now. Since he can't steal many carries from the best back in the league people have forgotten how good this guy was when he has been asked to carry the load for a team.

[San Diego Chicken]

Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw are the best RB trio.

Williams and Stewart are the best RB duo.

Peterson is the best RB... uhhm, solo.


You want to know a weird rotation of backs? Baltimore. They rank 4th in the league in rushing with Le'Ron McClain, Willis McGahee and Ray Rice. Who would have thought that a team could rank #4 in rushing with Le'Ron McClain leading in yards and carries?

[BlindSite]

based on what? last season when peterson was hurt, taylor played very well in his relief. this year, while peterson's been healthy, taylor hasn't gotten a chance. i don't buy that him not seeing the field is any basis for argument, given that he's behind the best running back in the nfl right now. he's shown he has the ability to be a roughly 1200 yard back (might as well extrapolate some stats from last season and the season before) by himself. i don't buy that stewart has shown that, and really, outside of the last 6 games, williams hadn't shown anything close to that.

If Chester Taylor is so good he'd be getting more carries and more time in the game. There's no reason to play AP as much as they have with his injury history if Taylor is a starting calibre running back. He's on pace for 350 carries this year, which is quite an amount for a second year player.

Taylor on the other hand is on pace for 102 and had his best season before the Vikings decided to draft a replacement for him. Right now he's healthy and under used in their offense and he is supposedly a complete back.

I'm not necessarily saying Taylor is pathetic or a bad back, I think he's pretty much average, which is the score I gave him. He's an average back. I think if he were as good as people are trying to argue he'd be getting more reps in the offense.

[giantsfan]

If Chester Taylor is so good he'd be getting more carries and more time in the game. There's no reason to play AP as much as they have with his injury history if Taylor is a starting calibre running back. He's on pace for 350 carries this year, which is quite an amount for a second year player.

Taylor on the other hand is on pace for 102 and had his best season before the Vikings decided to draft a replacement for him. Right now he's healthy and under used in their offense and he is supposedly a complete back.

I'm not necessarily saying Taylor is pathetic or a bad back, I think he's pretty much average, which is the score I gave him. He's an average back. I think if he were as good as people are trying to argue he'd be getting more reps in the offense.

When AP's clearly their best player and they don't have a quarterback yes AP does have to get that many carries. You're expecting Brad Childress to have some intelligence and rest his offense sometimes, but he's desperate not to get fired and he can't create any sort of passing game to take men out of the box when AP does get a rest. So he's just riding AP hard this year and ignoring Chester Taylor because he's not AP, that said he's a big part of their limited passing game and actually has nearly as many total yards as Jonathon Stewart and is a good pass blocker.

[notacarolinafan]

Call me a Homer but I agree that Smash-N-Dash are the best duo. (Williams and Stewart)

[comahan]

Id say the Titans duo that Ive heard affectionately referred to as "Lard & 'Tard".

[jkpigskin]

Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw are the best RB trio.

Williams and Stewart are the best RB duo.

Peterson is the best RB... uhhm, solo.


You want to know a weird rotation of backs? Baltimore. They rank 4th in the league in rushing with Le'Ron McClain, Willis McGahee and Ray Rice. Who would have thought that a team could rank #4 in rushing with Le'Ron McClain leading in yards and carries?

yessir
its pretty crazy.. mcClain is a TANK... great power.. a real workhorse. McGahee has really disappointed this season, but has flashes in a couple of games. and i really like rookie ray rice out of Rutgers of the ravens... if we can keep mcgahee fresh, i think he can find his groove late in the season

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I think everyone acknowledged a long time ago that Minnesota has the best featured back in the NFL by a long margin, and yes I agree that stats rarely tell the full story, in this case:

Williams and Stewart have more yards, more yards per carry, less turnovers and more touchdowns.

The Rushing offense is ranked 4th in the NFL compared to 6th

There is a case to be made.

I look at it like this:

Adrian Peterson is a 9.5 out of 10 back (fumbles and some receiving game issues prevent the full 10)

Chester Taylor is barely a 5.5 out of 10 back

DeAngelo is an 8 out of 10
Stewart is a 7.5 out of ten

As a tandem Deangelo and Stewart are the better Pair, but as singular players Peterson is far and away a better runner.

That being said, I still think Tennessee gets the nod as the best tandem and NYG are far and away the best ground unit in the NFL.

I see a bigger gap between Adrian Peterson and DeAngelo Williams than I do between Chester Taylor and Jonathan Stewart. Don't get how AD is only 1.5 higher than DW, while CT is 2 full points behind Stew.

[BlindSite]

his injury history? you mean the nagging hamstring pulls or the gimpy ankle? or the rather catastrophic broken bones? that's hardly an "injury history". that's some bad luck on hits.

Because since his first season at the college level he's struggled to play full seasons at any level of competition. He might just be unlucky, fair enough, but you can't quantify luck and you can quantify what carries do to the longevity of a running back.



and i think that's a silly opinion. is deangelo williams really not as good as you think? i mean, why else would the panthers have drafted a replacement for him and be giving stewart so many carries? i guess he's "just average". i mean, he has the same YPC that taylor had last year for the vikings. and if he's "just average" now, i'd hate to hear what you thought of him for the first 54% of the season.
Probably because until this season Williams wasn't turning out to be the player the team initially thought he could be. He showed flashes as a rookie and struggled a little last year picking up the newer offense. This year, his second in Davidson's system, with an actually decent line and quarterback who isn't terrified of his own shadow or legally able to claim a pension he's exploded.

I'm not saying that Williams has been good his whole career. I've never made that statement.

In fact until this year I wasn't sure how well he'd go. My predictions for his performance were made in the preseason during training camp when everyone who visited camp commented on how much better he looked than years past.

In his first year Dan Henning was useless, in his second there was a new system and delhomme was out for the year. In his third he knows the offense has a supporting cast and has shown what he can do.

I don't know why stewart was drafted, I'm not in the draft room and I'm not going to speculate because it has nothing to do with my point.

Right now, Stewart and Williams are a better tandem than Peterson and Taylor simply saying "because I said so" and "he was good in the past" is no definitive statement. It's not even an opinion with a statistical basis.

That being said I'm not even saying that Williams and Stewart are the best in the NFL right now.

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What I'm saying is that with Peterson having some nicks and injuries and having a history of not being the most dependable, durable back, if you've got a runner who's supposedly better than average, why would he not be seeing some more carries, not even a 50/50 split necessarily, just more carries, more consistently? It doesn't make sense to have a player whom you're saying is good to be benched while you've got a guy who's nicked up and hurting with an injury history on pace

o carry for 350 times. It doesn't make a huge amount of sense. Why did you only pick one paragraph of my statement? I posted this Probably because until this season Williams wasn't turning out to be the player the team initially thought he could be. He showed flashes as a rookie and struggled a little last year picking up the newer offense. This year, his second in Davidson's system, with an actually decent line and quarterback who isn't terrified of his own shadow or legally able to claim a pension he's exploded. He wasn't looking like the feature back we all thought he would be. I posted several factors why that could be and ultimately concluded I didn't know the real concrete reason. How is that not posting to help Williams? I just said this is year 1/3 that he's been good enough to be a starter. i fail to see where i've suggested they're not or further, where you'd come up with the ludicrous and dishonest opinion that it's simply because "i told you so". making up arguments and then attributing them to me won't further YOUR point. All you've done is say Chester Taylor is a good back who's not getting carries because Adrian Peterson is the human equivalent of the Juggernaut and is likely the next stage of human evolution and just picked parts of an overall argument to attack. Make your point already.

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DeAngelo is > AD because he doesn't fumble
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[LonghornsLegend]

What I'm saying is that with Peterson having some nicks and injuries and having a history of not being the most dependable.

It's like people just make this stuff up about AD, so is Portis, Bush, Steven Jackson, or anyone other Rb that has ever played in the NFL injury prone also? He's barely gotten hurt since he's been drafted, it's impossible for him to go without one injury, yet people still act like he has some sort of injury concerns.


If AD has a history of not being dependable, I'd love to know what Portis, Brandon Jacobs, Steven Jackson, Reggie Bush, and alot of other backs are considered.

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At this point, while I still would want the Peterson/Taylor duo simply to have Peterson, there's no arguing that these two are hands down the most dynamic pair in the NFL at this point.