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TailbackU
12-20-2008, 06:43 PM
I’m not sure if anyone’s interested, but here’s a list of Spring 40-times for SC players who are either seniors or underclassmen who may be considering entering the draft. These times are hand-timed (run on field-turf), so they’re probably off a bit, but when you take into account that none of these guys really trained for these 40s (as they would if they were preparing for the draft), they give a pretty good indication of what we may expect them to run at the Combine or SC’s Pro Day. Note in particular that Cush was coming off ankle surgery and was fairly limited in spring and Rey was still trying to shed some of those pounds he put on prior to the Rose Bowl.


QB - Mark Sanchez* - 4.86 [Actual height is 6-2.25]
RB - Stafon Johnson* - 4.44 [40"-Vert]
RB - C.J. Gable* - 4.68
WR - Patrick Turner - 4.64
WR - Damian Williams* - 4.46 [39"-Vert]
DE - Kyle Moore - 4.79
DT - Fili Moala - 4.99
LB - Clay Matthews - did not run [37.5"-Vert]
LB - Brian Cushing - 4.59 [35-Bench / 37.5"-Vert]
LB - Rey Maualuga - 4.59 [30-Bench]
LB - Kaluka Maiava - 4.76
CB - Cary Harris - did not run [10'5"-Long]
FS - Taylor Mays* - 4.25 [21-Bench / 41"-Vert / 10'5"-Long]
FS - Josh Pinkard - 4.51 [10'5"-Long]
SS - Kevin Ellison - did not run [32-Bench]
K - David Buehler - 4.49

Xonraider
12-20-2008, 06:48 PM
CJ Gable is sloooow

Cigaro
12-20-2008, 06:51 PM
Stafon Johnson is pretty underrated in my opinion.

renegade
12-20-2008, 06:53 PM
where did you get those? I refuse to believe those until you show me some type of valid source, because what you are trying to tell me is that Taylor Mays a 6'4" 230 pound safety ran as fast as Chris Johnson (on field turf) and then proceeded to get a 41" vertical.

SuperKevin
12-20-2008, 06:54 PM
David Buehler should play HB

Babylon
12-20-2008, 06:56 PM
When your kicker runs a 4.49 you might want to take it with a grain of salt.

Cigaro
12-20-2008, 07:02 PM
where did you get those? I refuse to believe those until you show me some type of valid source, because what you are trying to tell me is that Taylor Mays a 6'4" 230 pound safety ran as fast as Chris Johnson (on field turf) and then proceeded to get a 41" vertical.

You missed the hand timed part.

foozball
12-20-2008, 07:03 PM
where did you get those? I refuse to believe those until you show me some type of valid source, because what you are trying to tell me is that Taylor Mays a 6'4" 230 pound safety ran as fast as Chris Johnson (on field turf) and then proceeded to get a 41" vertical.

hand timed on field turf...id say he runs a legit 4.35-4.4 at the combine though

LonghornsLegend
12-20-2008, 07:04 PM
WR - Patrick Turner - 4.64

Seeing as how these times are always juiced up at USC every Spring, I guess it's safe to say he won't be drafted until the 2nd day, a 4.6 at USC is a 4.8 at the combines.

TailbackU
12-20-2008, 07:05 PM
When your kicker runs a 4.49 you might want to take it with a grain of salt.

Buehler isn't your usual kicker, he came to SC as a Safety/Kickoff specialist and only became a fulltime kicker when Mario Danelo tradgically died. He's shown his speed on more than one occasion when a guys broken free on a kickoff and he's chased him down (he also just missed chasing down the ASU kick-returner on Thanksgiving last year if you remember).

Babylon
12-20-2008, 07:09 PM
Buehler isn't your usual kicker, he came to SC as a Safety/Kickoff specialist and only became a fulltime kicker when Mario Danelo tradgically died. He's shown his speed on more than one occasion when a guys broken free on a kickoff and he's chased him down (he also just missed chasing down the ASU kick-returner on Thanksgiving last year if you remember).

Well aware of Buehler as i watch all the Trojan games, just don't think he runs that kind of a 40.

Staubach12
12-20-2008, 07:09 PM
If Mays can run anything like that in the combine or his pro day, he's going to make himself a TON of money. I personally don't see it.

TailbackU
12-20-2008, 07:10 PM
hand timed on field turf...id say he runs a legit 4.35-4.4 at the combine though

Exactly, I mentioned that the times were hand-timed so they are no doubt off a bit. There's no way Mays runs a legit electronically-times 4.25, but he may well run in the 4.3s. Vernon Davis and Calvin Johnson have both shown that big guys can run in the 4.3s.

soybean
12-20-2008, 07:13 PM
Seeing as how these times are always juiced up at USC every Spring, I guess it's safe to say he won't be drafted until the 2nd day, a 4.6 at USC is a 4.8 at the combines.

riiiiight. a 4.8 WR. doubt it. im sure his time at the combine will be more or less the same.

TailbackU
12-20-2008, 07:16 PM
Seeing as how these times are always juiced up at USC every Spring, I guess it's safe to say he won't be drafted until the 2nd day, a 4.6 at USC is a 4.8 at the combines.

I'm not a fan of Turner at all as a pro-prospect, but with a couple of months of speed training he should be able to run a legit time similar to the 4.64.

Halsey
12-20-2008, 07:26 PM
Being "off a bit" when hand timing a 40 can turn a 4.4 into a 4.7. Hand timed 40's from an unknown source don't hold a lot of weight.

Scott Wright
12-20-2008, 07:28 PM
USC is pretty notorious for having a fast track and inflating their players times.

I think a good rule of thumb would be to add at least .10 to those times.

sbh15
12-20-2008, 07:33 PM
USC is pretty notorious for having a fast track and inflating their players times.

I think a good rule of thumb would be to add at least .10 to those times.

That puts Mays at a 4.35 which makes him even more impressive than before in my opinion. Possibly challenges Malcolm Jenkins for top defensive back in the draft.

Scott Wright
12-20-2008, 07:35 PM
Mays is a freak, there's no doubt about it.

He's a potential Top 10 pick.

Race for the Heisman
12-20-2008, 07:36 PM
I actually would believe quite a few of those times. I think the range of times offers a bit of legitimacy to what otherwise looks like a sham.

TailbackU
12-20-2008, 07:43 PM
Being "off a bit" when hand timing a 40 can turn a 4.4 into a 4.7. Hand timed 40's from an unknown source don't hold a lot of weight.

The times were posted back in May by the USC beat writer for the Daily News (look towards the bottom of this page - http://www.insidesocal.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?search=40+times&IncludeBlogs=27). The guys a d*ck, and sucks when it comes to recruiting news, but he's pretty good when it come to this sort of stuff. His times also matched up with those which were posted on Pete Carroll's official site.

LonghornsLegend
12-20-2008, 08:08 PM
riiiiight. a 4.8 WR. doubt it. im sure his time at the combine will be more or less the same.

What has he done that gives you the impression that he's much faster then that anyway? I agree he may run faster then a 4.8 but come on, if he can't clock faster then a 4.64 on USC's track I don't see him breaking 4.7 in Indy.

soybean
12-20-2008, 08:20 PM
What has he done that gives you the impression that he's much faster then that anyway? I agree he may run faster then a 4.8 but come on, if he can't clock faster then a 4.64 on USC's track I don't see him breaking 4.7 in Indy.

i know he's not a speedster or anything but a 4.8 is reaaaal slow, i bet many of us on this board can run a 4.8 and he's at least a trained athlete.

4.8 is borderline wheelchair status.

Xonraider
12-20-2008, 08:33 PM
i know he's not a speedster or anything but a 4.8 is reaaaal slow, i bet many of us on this board can run a 4.8 and he's at least a trained athlete.

4.8 is borderline wheelchair status.

If many of you run 4.8 you can move to Panama and play runningback in varsity!

TailbackU
12-20-2008, 09:19 PM
USC is pretty notorious for having a fast track and inflating their players times.

I think a good rule of thumb would be to add at least .10 to those times.

Scott, I agree that they no doubt inflate their players times some, but I think the fast track thing is a myth. It's a fast track compared to a grass field, but compared to Indy, how can you say it's faster, it's basically the same surface. Just look at how many players run great times at Indy every year, I'd definitely consider that a fast track. Take Terrell Thomas for example, he ran a better offical time at the Combine than he did at SC's Pro Day (and that Pro Day time is the time SC released, meaning it was probably inflated and therefore even slower than his Combine time). If SC both inflated the time and had such a fast track, how would this ever be possible. If no one complains about Indy being a fast track, I think its unfair to complain about SC's field.

B-Dawk
12-20-2008, 09:19 PM
cushing would shoot up boards if those numbers are accurate

TailbackU
12-20-2008, 09:24 PM
cushing would shoot up boards if those numbers are accurate

Regardless of workout numbers, Cush is SC's best player, and its not really that close. The only reason he may not be the first SC player drafted is his injury history. If it wasn't for that he should easily be a top-10 pick.

soybean
12-20-2008, 09:36 PM
Regardless of workout numbers, Cush is SC's best player, and its not really that close. The only reason he may not be the first SC player drafted is his injury history. If it wasn't for that he should easily be a top-10 pick.

when healthy, ellison is the best player on the field.

Babylon
12-20-2008, 09:54 PM
Regardless of workout numbers, Cush is SC's best player, and its not really that close. The only reason he may not be the first SC player drafted is his injury history. If it wasn't for that he should easily be a top-10 pick.

I would agree with that and i also think he may test better than any other LB at the combine.

Zyro_1014
12-20-2008, 10:36 PM
when healthy, ellison is the best player on the field.

he might be the best player but he is far from the best prospect. I love Kev but he is pretty slow for the position he plays. I think that teams can put him in in situational roles maybe to play in the box, but i dont think he will be able to play in coverage at the next level unless he moves to OLB.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-20-2008, 10:49 PM
Wow, I thought C.J. Gable was fast.

ChezPower4
12-20-2008, 11:54 PM
I want the kicker imagine how many TDs he could score off of fakes with that kind of speed lol

Solomon
12-21-2008, 01:31 AM
i know he's not a speedster or anything but a 4.8 is reaaaal slow, i bet many of us on this board can run a 4.8 and he's at least a trained athlete.

4.8 is borderline wheelchair status.


That is so wrong. The average (not a star) div 1 WR probably runs around a 4.6-4.7. I'm willing to bet that most people on this board couldn't break a 5.00 sec 40.

no love
12-21-2008, 01:35 AM
There are some positions where workout warriors are really overblown (TE, O-line, QB) and others where numbers are a big, big, deal (see defensive secondary).... In other words, if Taylor Mays puts up anything close to those numbers, he is going to get PAID.

holt_bruce81
12-21-2008, 01:39 AM
I don't see Mays running a 4.25

I see around 4.45-4.52

ThePudge
12-21-2008, 01:49 AM
I don't see Mays running a 4.25

I see around 4.45-4.52

Ahh, you haven't fully heard about Mays then. Taylor Mays is an athletic marvel with physical (not football) skills that rival, even surpass those of Sean Taylor. Unbelievable athlete who runs a confirmed 4.3, even sub-4.3. To be safe, for myself, I'll project Mays in between 4.30-4.35. Joe McKnight has even confirmed that Mays, not himself, is the fastest player on the USC team.

Go ahead, expect 4.45-4.52. It'll amaze you more when he actually does run.

619
12-21-2008, 01:49 AM
I don't see Mays running a 4.25

I see around 4.45-4.52

You are in for quite the surprise come the combine sir.

josh07039
12-21-2008, 01:54 AM
I think even with the fast track deal, many of these times could be either accurate or for some of the slow looking ones, could be too high. After all, all players now go to speed camps and lower their times. You hear about all sorts of guys eating healthy, learning good form, etc.

holt_bruce81
12-21-2008, 01:55 AM
Ahh, you haven't fully heard about Mays then. Taylor Mays is an athletic marvel with physical (not football) skills that rival, even surpass those of Sean Taylor. Unbelievable athlete who runs a confirmed 4.3, even sub-4.3. To be safe, for myself, I'll project Mays in between 4.30-4.35. Joe McKnight has even confirmed that Mays, not himself, is the fastest player on the USC team.

Go ahead, expect 4.45-4.52. It'll amaze you more when he actually does run.

I hope I am wrong. I'm not going to be "shocked" if he runs in the low 4.3s to high 4.2s like everyone says he will because a lot of people know more about him than I do. But in my personal opinion he runs high 4.4

Don Vito
12-21-2008, 02:41 AM
Taylor Mays is ridiculous.

Smokey Joe
12-21-2008, 08:44 AM
David Buehler is a damn good athlete with one strong ass leg. He'll catch on somewhere in the NFL as a Kick Off specialist/Extra long FG guy.

Comphockey7
12-21-2008, 12:45 PM
I'd bet a 30 pack of Natty light Gable runs faster than that

SuperKevin
12-21-2008, 01:20 PM
I'd bet a 30 pack of Natty light Gable runs faster than that

Why would anyone want to win that bet? Natty Light is gross

Babylon
12-21-2008, 01:21 PM
I don't see Mays running a 4.25

I see around 4.45-4.52

Nothing surprises me in 40 times but i think the real point is he plays like a 4.45-4.52 guy.

Comphockey7
12-21-2008, 01:26 PM
Why would anyone want to win that bet? Natty Light is gross

Not if you're a college student

619
12-21-2008, 01:27 PM
I'd bet a 30 pack of Natty light Gable runs faster than that

Just wait 'til he learns proper form under one of those speed training gurus. He'll instantly become a 4.45 ish guy like he's capable of being.

Scott Wright
12-21-2008, 01:35 PM
Natty Light was my beer of choice in college!

CashmoneyDrew
12-21-2008, 01:37 PM
Natty Light was my beer of choice in college!

You and everyone else on a tight beer budget my friend. :D

josh07039
12-21-2008, 02:21 PM
You and everyone else on a tight beer budget my friend. :D
Nah, even on a tight budget, I'll spend a few bucks extra for a 30 of Miller.

Sniper
12-21-2008, 02:27 PM
QB - Mark Sanchez* - 4.86

Fastest 4.86 dude I've ever seen. Sanchez moves around very well.

Sniper
12-21-2008, 02:28 PM
Taylor Mays is the man. Best safety in the draft, second best safety in the country. I hope he goes to Philly where the sexy uber-manbeast known as Jim Johnson can turn him into a killing machine. I remain convinced that Mays is 50% of the reason why Kevin Ellison is so good in college.

Babylon
12-21-2008, 02:41 PM
Fastest 4.86 dude I've ever seen. Sanchez moves around very well.

QB 40 times would be the least of my concerns. Like you said he moves around very well.

Sniper
12-21-2008, 02:42 PM
QB 40 times would be the least of my concerns. Like you said he moves around very well.

I'm not worried about it, just surprised. He's got excellent mobility for a QB. Once he learns to run the 40, I'd expect a 4.7ish.

nyqua
12-21-2008, 03:22 PM
Jesus Natty Ice? Have some beer standards at least.

Zyro_1014
12-21-2008, 08:17 PM
Taylor Mays is the man. Best safety in the draft, second best safety in the country. I hope he goes to Philly where the sexy uber-manbeast known as Jim Johnson can turn him into a killing machine. I remain convinced that Mays is 50% of the reason why Kevin Ellison is so good in college.

right there with ya buddy! :)

Menardo75
12-21-2008, 08:19 PM
right there with ya buddy! :)

He would be a much better 9er :)

Zyro_1014
12-21-2008, 08:40 PM
He would be a much better 9er :)

you can stay away from Taylor.

Menardo75
12-21-2008, 08:47 PM
you can stay away from Taylor.

He is ours :)

Halsey
12-21-2008, 08:49 PM
I wouldn't bet on Mays running a 4.25 at the combine. He's not Chris Johnson fast.

Zyro_1014
12-21-2008, 08:51 PM
I wouldn't bet on Mays running a 4.25 at the combine. He's not Chris Johnson fast.

you think you know...but you have no idea.

diabsoule
12-21-2008, 08:53 PM
Taylor Mays is the man. Best safety in the draft, second best safety in the country. I hope he goes to Philly where the sexy uber-manbeast known as Jim Johnson can turn him into a killing machine. I remain convinced that Mays is 50% of the reason why Kevin Ellison is so good in college.

Not if the Saints draft him first (which I only hope).

Halsey
12-21-2008, 08:53 PM
you think you know...but you have no idea.

I have an idea that when he doesn't run that fast at the combine, you'll make excuses.

Comphockey7
12-21-2008, 09:01 PM
Regardless of whats Mays runs, he's fast.

Menardo75
12-21-2008, 09:08 PM
And is the best FS in the draft. I don't think he will run any less than 4.4. When coaches at the combine see what kind of physical freak he is he will be a top ten pick.

Matthew Jones
12-21-2008, 09:11 PM
ESPN on Taylor Mays:

"Before the 2008 season, ESPN The Magazine named Mays one of college football's top two "workout warriors" for running an electronically timed 40 this spring in 4.32 seconds, doing 26 reps with 225 pounds, having a vertical jumping 41 inches, and doing a standing broad jump of 11-4 with a 6-3, 226 pound frame with 6 percent body fat."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=feldman_bruce&id=3420212

Zyro_1014
12-22-2008, 12:29 AM
ESPN on Taylor Mays:

"Before the 2008 season, ESPN The Magazine named Mays one of college football's top two "workout warriors" for running an electronically timed 40 this spring in 4.32 seconds, doing 26 reps with 225 pounds, having a vertical jumping 41 inches, and doing a standing broad jump of 11-4 with a 6-3, 226 pound frame with 6 percent body fat."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=feldman_bruce&id=3420212

if you look up the word "Freak" in the dictionary you see a picture of Mays.

gpngc
12-22-2008, 12:45 AM
I don't get why some of you are so skeptical that Mays ran a fast 40. Matt Jones somehow ran a sub 4.4-at the combine.

Like the other poster said, this just proves something we already know- Taylor Mays is fast.

On the topic of 40-yard dash times, Yeremiah Bell ran down (pretty quickly too) Jamaal Charles today on the MIA-KC game. Charles ran a 4.38 at the combine. Any Dolphins fans know what Bell ran?

Anyone else ever find that extra gear on the field? I think that might be something professionals have mastered. Not sure if you can replicate it out of your stance in tights. I think football speed is more different than timed speed than we realize.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-22-2008, 12:45 AM
I hope Mays runs a 4.8 so he falls to Denver.

Xonraider
12-22-2008, 01:22 AM
Anyone else ever find that extra gear on the field? I think that might be something professionals have mastered. Not sure if you can replicate it out of your stance in tights. I think football speed is more different than timed speed than we realize.

Several years of coaching and even playing have taught me that because someone runs a fast 40 that doesn't mean they'll be the fastest one in the field

Zyro_1014
12-22-2008, 07:24 PM
I hope Mays runs a 4.8 so he falls to Denver.

good joke lol.

gsorace
12-22-2008, 07:40 PM
But in my personal opinion he runs high 4.4

Are you basing that off of anything?

urinemonkey
12-22-2008, 10:09 PM
I hope Mays runs a 4.8 so he falls to Denver.

Mays won't have to run a 4.8 to fall to Denver.

HorusKing
12-22-2008, 11:54 PM
Man i'm surprised on C.J. Gables 40 Time because this guy look real explosive during games and he is a slippery runner I thought he would be in the 4.4 range easy. Shocking!!!!!

SuperKevin
12-23-2008, 10:10 AM
Taylor Mays was a 2 time State Champion in the 100 and 200 meters while in high school. To doubt his speed is ridiculous. He will run a sub 4.4 and that's as close to a guarantee as you can get

CC.SD
12-23-2008, 11:38 AM
USC is pretty notorious for having a fast track and inflating their players times.

I think a good rule of thumb would be to add at least .10 to those times.


This /\

However, Taylor Mays is still damn fast.

Menardo75
12-23-2008, 02:39 PM
When it's all said and done Mays will probably break most of the combine records for safety's if they have those.

Sniper
12-23-2008, 02:49 PM
When it's all said and done Mays will probably break most of the combine records for safety's if they have those.

Safeties, not that abomination that you just wrote out.

Who holds the records anyway?

Zyro_1014
12-23-2008, 03:37 PM
Safeties, not that abomination that you just wrote out.

Who holds the records anyway?

probably some freak named Sean Taylor....just a guess though lol.

Sniper
12-23-2008, 03:40 PM
probably some freak named Sean Taylor....just a guess though lol.

Doubt it. Taylor ran a 4.51 at the Combine and had a 39" VJ.

Scott Wright
12-23-2008, 03:49 PM
When it's all said and done Mays will probably break most of the combine records for safety's if they have those.

LaRon Landry ran a 4.35, which is a pretty high benchmark.

regoob2
12-23-2008, 05:25 PM
LaRon Landry ran a 4.35, which is a pretty high benchmark.Do you think Mays could run faster than a 4.35?

regoob2
12-23-2008, 05:53 PM
Nah, even on a tight budget, I'll spend a few bucks extra for a 30 of Miller.
I was drinking PBR last night and Ive felt like **** all day today.

SuperKevin
12-23-2008, 06:00 PM
Do you think Mays could run faster than a 4.35?

I think it's very possible, especially considering he'll likely train for the 40 on top of his already naturally gifted speed. If he doesn't I still don't expect anything slower than 4.4 flat

Babylon
12-23-2008, 06:49 PM
I was drinking PBR last night and Ive felt like **** all day today.

When you drink 20 beers you're probably going to feel like #### all day.:)

initial_flo
12-24-2008, 08:33 AM
Do you think Mays could run faster than a 4.35?

It'll be crazy because Mays weighs, what, like 20-30-35 lbs more then Landry?