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jnew76
12-22-2008, 07:54 PM
A lot of players carry grades we all know they do not deserve, and there are those that have been overlooked up to this point.

Overrated

1. Rhett Bomar - QB - SHSU - His rise to the top of the senior QB rankings over the likes of Reilly, Harrell, and others makes no sense to me. Bomar continues to show me average physical skills combined with the lack of leadership and intangibles to play in the NFL.

2. Phil Loadholt - OT - OU - I believe he will never play a down in the NFL as an OT. He could become an excellent OG, but projecting him as an NFL OT is just not happening for me. Does not have the feet to play either side.

3. James Davis - RB - Clemson - While he is a decent college back with well rounded skills, he is in no way a top flight NFL back. His power does not translate to the field. His speed is average at best. Does not show good wiggle. He is a good natural runner, but I do not think he is anything more than a 4th rounder.

4. Rashad Jennings - RB - Liberty - I have not seen anything terribly imprressive about Jennings. He has size and strength. Moves the pile, but has very little wiggle. Not near the prospect of say a Brandon Jacobs was. Does not accelerate well. Does not show great vision.

5. Tyson Jackson - DE - LSU - I think Jackson has value, but not necessarily 1rst round value. Jackson has played some of the most uninspired football for 2 years that I have seen from a top propect. He is consistently taken out of plays due to poor technique and discipline. Needs a lot of coaching to be half the prospect he is projected as.



Underrated

1. Graham Harrell - QB - Texas Tech - All the talk of Stafford, Bradford, Tebow, Bomar and others makes me think that once again Harrell is being overlooked. Like he was ignored by Heisman voters, I think Harrell is now being ignored by draft experts. Harrell is easily the most talented QB prospect to come out of the Texas Tech offense and I think he will be in the NFL for a number of years. Probably never a front line starter, but a long time backup and solid career is what I see.

2. Bernard Scott - RB - Abilene Christian - I will say this... There is no one in this draft that has better hands out of the backfield than Scott. He also has some of the best natural running instincts I have seen in a small schooler. Can do it all. Will make someone very happy in the draft.

3. Peria Jerry - DT - Ole Miss - Uses leverage better than any DT prospect in the draft. He is a great 3Tech prospect, and I think he will no doubt be drafted in the yop 15-20 picks come April. Gets off the ball as well as any prospect in the last couple of years. True disruptor who might be the biggest reason the Rebels have been so good this season.

4. Juaquin Iglesias - WR - OU - I might be the only one with a top 30 grade on Iglesias, but I think he is the best route runner in the draft. He has extremely good quickness and agility. Great hands, and good run after catch ability.

5. Tyrone McKenzie - OLB - USF - McKenzie is a beast who is overlooked because of Selvie, but I believe he has the skills and ability to be a starter in the NFL from day one.

Gchu83
12-22-2008, 07:59 PM
Agree on Bomar and Loadholt. Bomar didn't even look all that good when he was at OU, not sure where all the hype is coming from. Loadholt was benefiting from having a ridiculous line/QB around him, he isn't that mobile and he had no chance against Orakpo in the RRS.

Also agree that Harrell is a little underrated, but I would say Crabtree is the most talented prospect to come out of TT.

jnew76
12-22-2008, 08:00 PM
Also agree that Harrell is a little underrated, but I would say Crabtree is the most talented prospect to come out of TT.

My fault - I meant QB prospect. Fixed it

Hokie's#1
12-22-2008, 09:08 PM
Overrated
1. Rashad Jennings - Liberty
2. Brian Robiskie - Ohio State
3. Michael Johnson - Georgia Tech
4. Rhett Bomar - Sam Houston State
5.

Underrated
1. Jarron Gilbert - San Jose State
2. Mark Parson - Ohio
3. William Beatty - Connecticut
4. Philip Hunt - Houston
5. Orion Martin - Virginia Tech
6. Frantz Joseph - Florida Atlantic

Babylon
12-22-2008, 09:16 PM
Overrated;
Michael Johnson
Aaron Curry
Michael Oher
Rey Maualuga

Underrated
Taylor Mays
Brian Cushing
Alex Mack
Jason Smith
Mohamed Massaquoi

Zyro_1014
12-22-2008, 09:24 PM
Overrated;
Michael Johnson
Aaron Curry
Michael Oher
Rey Maualuga

Underrated
Taylor Mays
Brian Cushing
Alex Mack
Jason Smith
Mohamed Massaquoi

Not really sure how the first 4 of your underrated guys are underrated lol.

BeerBaron
12-22-2008, 09:30 PM
Don't take this as **** talking these guys, because I'm not. Each could be great, great pro players. But I think they each have some flaws to overcome before that can happen.

Overrated:

1.) DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech - Has the size and physical tools of a top 5 player but isn't even close in production. Come draft time it wouldn't surprise me to see him fall at least outside of the top 20, if not outside the first round.

2.) QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma - Great college QB, won the Heisman...nice stuff, but I think his pro potential isn't very good. QBs who run the spread the majority of the time in college have had issues more often than not adjusting to the pro game. I wouldn't take him unless I could sit him for at least 1 full season to let him get up to speed in a pro offense, which rules out a lot of the teams at the top of the draft.

3.) RB Chris Wells, OSU - I don't really think this guy is an elite RB. In fact, with so many running backs drafted in the 2nd or later coming into the NFL and producing (Forte, Slaton, Kevin Smith) I don't think I'd take him in the first. He could be a decent thunder to someone's lightning, but he just doesn't wow me in the same way past 'elite' backs have like AP and even McFadden.

4. & 5.) OT Jason Smith, Baylor; OT Troy Kropog, Tulane - A two-fer here. As pass blocking LT's, these guys could be very good. But I fear that they are simply a little too much on the small side to handle the all around game of an NFL OT. In a ZBS, they could be great, in a more typical offense, they could be good pass protectors like I said, but thats really it. I don't think they could bring the versatility of starting their career at G or RT if need be limiting them a bit. It turns me off to see tackles like that a little....

I'll work in some Underrated's later if I'm feeling up to it.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-22-2008, 09:34 PM
Overrated:
*Chris Wells
*Brian Cushing
*Louis Murphy
*Hunter Cantwell
*James Laurinaitis

Underrated:
*Andre Brown
*Marko Mitchell
*Kevin Barnes
*Drew Willy
*Cedric Peerman

bearsfan_51
12-22-2008, 10:07 PM
Marko Mitchell is definately underrated.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-22-2008, 10:09 PM
Overated
Jeremy Maclin
Aaron Curry
Jermaine Gresham
Brian Orakpo

Underrated
Tim Tebow
Percy Harvin
Alphonso Smith
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Everett Brown

619
12-22-2008, 10:13 PM
Overated
Jeremy Maclin
Aaron Curry
Jermaine Gresham
Brian Orakpo

Just referring to Curry as overrated is absurd, never again.

DiG
12-22-2008, 10:14 PM
those of you calling rashad jennings overrated probably havent even seen him play. I've watched him play on several occassions, more than just his youtube highlight video and he absolutely hits the whole hard and shows very good acceleration.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-22-2008, 10:21 PM
Just referring to Curry as overrated is absurd, never again.

Top-5? Yeah, the dude is good, very, very good but he isn't top-5 material.

619
12-22-2008, 10:23 PM
Top-5? Yeah, the dude is good, very, very good but he isn't top-5 material.

He is most certainly top five material although I'm not so sure he will be selected accordingly.

Race for the Heisman
12-22-2008, 10:26 PM
I agree with you on Jennings, Iglesias, and Harrell (not that I disagree with the others, but rather that I specifically agree with those three) and I will raise you:

Overrated:

C.J. Spiller - RB - Clemson - Reggie Bush without the same lateral agility. I don't like him as a running back and there's other guys I'd rather have as return specialists who won't cost second round picks.

Percy Harvin - WR - Florida - Injury prone with limited experience actually playing wide receiver. If I compare him to Steve Smith, which I think would be his ceiling, Smith was actually a receiver in college, averaged 20.6 YPC at Utah, and was still a third round pick. Harvin has averaged 17 YPC this year, but I think that his smaller sample size skews that a little, and his real average belongs closer to his 14.5 YPC average of last year. He has improved steadily as a receiver, so I don't dislike him as a prospect, I just think he's overrated.

Rey Maualuga - LB - Southern Cal - He's just not the top 10 pick advertised in my eyes. He's very aggressive, which is great, but he is sometimes too aggressive and not the most fundamental tackler. I also question his ability as a three down linebacker since he spends much of those key passing downs blitzing at USC. Granted he's very effective there, but that's not what the NFL is about.

Underrated:

C.J. Bacher - QB - Northwestern - Love his mechanics. He's a little on the smaller side (listed at 6-2, 205) but I like his intangibles and mechanics and I think if a team drafts him late to groom him he could be special.

Rashad Johnson - S - Alabama - Everyone knows who he is and he has risen a lot but many people are still holding him back due to physical attributes, whereas I feel he's a legitimate round one safety. I'd probably take him before Mays if there wasn't such an obvious disparity in their stocks.

Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri - Again, everyone knows he can play, but he's still considered a mid second round prospect. I can't really see him not succeeding in the league and while I know he'll be second round pick and that's probably where he belongs, too, I still feel as though he's underrated.

Tim Tebow - QB - Florida - I cannot impress how much I love his intangibles. More than enough to overlook most of his mechanical flaws at any rate.

Jonathan Casillas - LB - Wisconsin - He's gone quietly unnoticed for the most part after an okay season. I still think there's a pretty good NFL starter in there, though.

Might add a few more later if I think of any.

RaiderNation
12-22-2008, 10:31 PM
Overrated
Matt Stafford QB
Michael Johnson DE
Percy Harvin WR/RB
James Laurinaitis LB
Beanie Wells RB

Underrated
Andre Smith OT
Rey Maualuga LB
Matt Sanchez QB
BJ Raji NT
Tim Tebow QB

Race for the Heisman
12-22-2008, 10:33 PM
Oh, and Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland.

DiG
12-22-2008, 10:48 PM
Oh, and Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland.

under or over. i hope under.

illmatic74
12-22-2008, 11:04 PM
I hate these lists because if everyone think Maulauga, Laurinatis, Curry, Oher, Cushing, Johnson are overated they can't be OVERATED.

Babylon
12-22-2008, 11:12 PM
Not really sure how the first 4 of your underrated guys are underrated lol.


Just in the context of where most mockers have them going.I think Mays, Cush, Mack and Smith all could go quite a bit higher than projected. Not really a fan of over/under threads by the way.

Staggart
12-22-2008, 11:30 PM
i might remind everyone that spread offense qbs usually do not translate well into nfl. I like Tebow and Harrel but i do not see them every starting day one in the future. Hey i might be wrong

Solomon
12-23-2008, 12:27 AM
Overrated

Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State - Yes he had a very good college season. But he is small and doesn't have an impressive burst or straight line speed. If Mike Hart wasn't a top draft prospect I don't know why Ringer is getting first day talk.

George Selvie, DE, South Florida - Stronger than his size, plays with good leverage and has a good motor. He doesn't have the top end speed to get by with his frame, which is very undersized.

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU - I don't see him fitting any defense well besides a 3-4. And I don't see him being a dominant enough 3-4 DE to warrant a first rounder. Run Stuffers really aren't that hard to find and he seldom plays up to his highly regarded athleticism.

Darry Beckwith, LB, LSU - I really don't get the hype. Every time I watch him he disappoints. And trust me I watch alot of LSU games.

Nic Harris, S, Oklahoma - I used to think he was big time prospect. Now I'm not even sure if he can play safety in the NFL. Not good in coverage and not fast enough to erase his mistakes either. He was named All-Big 12 1st team and AP All-American third team. I don't think he deserved either.

Underrated

Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina - Great size, uses his body very well, athletic, good hands knows how to get open. The only thing he doesn't have is timed speed.

Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State - His height is an issue, but despite being 6-2 or 6-3 he excelled at OT in the Pac-10. Coming off a great season, can run block, pass block and has tremendous leadership qualities. Also very versatile.

Connor Barwin, DE, Cincinnatti - This TE turned DE could be one of the more coveted pass rushers come draft day. Decent size, very good athleticism and motor. Hasn't played the position for a long time so he has alot of room for improvement.

Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska - Most underrated DT in the nation. Moves very well for a big man, can play the run and pressure the passer. 68 tackles, 15.5 TFL and 2 ints returned for touchdowns this season. I've been keeping a close eye on this guy since his impressive freshman year and he looks ready to emerge as a top prospect.

Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky - I think with his length, athleticism, and cover ability he should be considered a first rounder but hasn't gotten that kind of attention yet.

SenorGato
12-23-2008, 01:00 AM
Underrated:

Everette Brown/Greg Hardy - This one's kind of dying down, but I think both will test better at 3-4 OLB than Orakpo and have the potential to go ahead of him. The more I watched of Brown the past two years, the more I like this guy.

Andre Brown/Jeremiah Johnson - Nice call on Jennings. He's overrated due to him being tall and heavy, but I don't think he's as physical as advertised. Brown is the most underrated power back in this draft, and I like Johnson as a nice late round runner.

Ron Brace - Raji's getting the hype, but this guy is going to be a very nice rotational DT for someone. I think his pedigree as a BC trench player gives him starting potential as a NT.

Louis Murphy - I like this guy to be a better pro than college player. Underused at FLA, and coaches will tap into this dudes nice potential. Think Mike Walker from last years draft, though Walker left school with better numbers.

Antoine Caldwell - IMO the second best center in this draft.

Eric Moncur - I see him rising again. He's lost in the sea of pass rushers we're seeing this year, but pass rushers with his size/speed combo tend to rise. Wasn't he hurt most of the year?

Scott McKillop - He's a leader, a sound tackler, and a better athlete than he's probably given credit for right now. I think this guys going to be a very good pro.

Overrated:

This is not to knock these guys. They're all still very good or good prospects.

Moreno - I just prefer McCoy really. I guess he shouldn't be here though, because a good RB will be a good RB. Just different styles.

Max Unger - At this moment in time he is. Good C prospect with potential to do "more," but anyone who rises as fast as he has (on this board) has to be looked at a little skeptically. I like Mack, Caldwell, Wood, and then Unger.

Orakpo - Good player. Very good player. Not a top 5 pick. IMO, not even a top 10.

Tyson Jackson - Nothing about him really blows you away but his size.

thebow305
12-23-2008, 01:16 AM
Overrated:

1. Aaron Curry
2. James Laurinaitis
3. All Florida Gators (Tebow, Harvin, Murphy, Spikes, Cunningham etc.)
4. Nic Harris
5. Josh Freeman/Peria Jerry

Underrated

1. Brian Cushing
2. Everette Brown
3. Ron Brace
4. Mark Sanchez
5. James Davis

ThePudge
12-23-2008, 01:23 AM
Overrated:

1. Aaron Curry
2. James Laurinaitis
3. All Florida Gators (Tebow, Harvin, Murphy, Spikes, Cunningham etc.)
4. Nic Harris
5. Josh Freeman/Peria Jerry

Underrated

1. Brian Cushing
2. Everette Brown
3. Ron Brace
4. Mark Sanchez
5. James Davis

How is Peria Jerry overrated at all? or Aaron Curry?

Curry is being billed as a Top 10 pick, which he absolutely has the talent for. He's big, fast, instinctual, and a flat out playmaker. He flows to the ball very quickly and makes plays behind the line of scrimmage. He also has the versatility to play any linebacker spot. I do not think Curry will be drafted 1st Overall, nor should he, but as a late Top 5 pick I would love to have Aaron on my team. (Chiefs, Browns and Bengals specifically in that Top 5-7 area).

Jerry has done everything right this season and has been Mississippi's best and most consistent performer on defense, yet he is seen as a Second Round pick. I don't see how he is at all overrated at this point.

Race for the Heisman
12-23-2008, 01:39 AM
How is Peria Jerry overrated at all? or Aaron Curry?

Curry is being billed as a Top 10 pick, which he absolutely has the talent for. He's big, fast, instinctual, and a flat out playmaker. He flows to the ball very quickly and makes plays behind the line of scrimmage. He also has the versatility to play any linebacker spot. I do not think Curry will be drafted 1st Overall, nor should he, but as a late Top 5 pick I would love to have Aaron on my team. (Chiefs, Browns and Bengals specifically in that Top 5-7 area).

Jerry has done everything right this season and has been Mississippi's best and most consistent performer on defense, yet he is seen as a Second Round pick. I don't see how he is at all overrated at this point.

I've generally seen Jerry as a mid/late first, so maybe we just have been looking at different mocks or whatnot.

As for Dirty Thirty, definitely under. I had been consistently looking at him as a late second but then I found out he was projected to go at least a round later and I was a bit shocked.

SenorGato
12-23-2008, 06:02 PM
I like the Suh call. He sounds interesting. I'm going to keep an eye on his stock.

Marko Mitchell, Harrell, and Igelias are guys I really like too. Jerry's underrated, but I think enough people are saying that now.

The CBs are going to be fun.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-23-2008, 10:10 PM
He is most certainly top five material although I'm not so sure he will be selected accordingly.

So you think he's on the level of Patrick Willis then?

Race for the Heisman
12-24-2008, 12:51 AM
So you think he's on the level of Patrick Willis then?

As a prospect I would be inclined to say yes, though, I doubt he will be able to emulate what Willis has done as a pro.

The Legend
12-24-2008, 01:06 AM
Taylor Mays

How in the world is he UNDERRATED?

SenorGato
12-24-2008, 01:16 AM
Vontae Davis because no one's calling him the best CB in this draft yet.

He's going to have a sick offseason IMO.

Race for the Heisman
12-24-2008, 01:33 AM
Vontae Davis because no one's calling him the best CB in this draft yet.

He's going to have a sick offseason IMO.

Which means his stock will go up but that doesn't necessarily say anything about him being over or underrated. I get the feeling you're saying he's underrated. A lot of people have called him overrated lately and if considered a top 10 selection I would have to agree.

Babylon
12-24-2008, 12:47 PM
How in the world is he UNDERRATED?

As i've said before i really don't care for over/underrated. This speaks to all those that find fault with his production not to those that like him. I think he could sneak into the top 10

burdman
12-24-2008, 04:40 PM
Harrell is easily the most talented QB prospect to come out of the Texas Tech offense and I think he will be in the NFL for a number of years. Probably never a front line starter, but a long time backup and solid career is what I see.



How is Harrell underrated if you yourself admit that he's nothing more than a backup? That makes no sense to me.

Race for the Heisman
12-24-2008, 05:22 PM
How is Harrell underrated if you yourself admit that he's nothing more than a backup? That makes no sense to me.

First, that's not what he said. I get a Gus Frerotte vibe from that post. You could have quite a bit worse starting for you and you'd feel pretty secure with him as your backup. Second, most people are treating him as a zero NFL future, out of the league within two years guy, so that makes him underrated.

burdman
12-24-2008, 05:49 PM
Second, most people are treating him as a zero NFL future, out of the league within two years guy, so that makes him underrated.

Most people? I havent heard or read anything like that. Underrated means people who are going to be starters in the NFL, not backups

Rjspartan
12-24-2008, 06:13 PM
1. Graham Harrell - QB - Texas Tech - All the talk of Stafford, Bradford, Tebow, Bomar and others makes me think that once again Harrell is being overlooked. Like he was ignored by Heisman voters, I think Harrell is now being ignored by draft experts. Harrell is easily the most talented QB prospect to come out of the Texas Tech offense and I think he will be in the NFL for a number of years. Probably never a front line starter, but a long time backup and solid career is what I see.




I agree 100% about Harrell. Good to see i am not the only one who feels that way!

Race for the Heisman
12-24-2008, 09:00 PM
Most people? I havent heard or read anything like that. Underrated means people who are going to be starters in the NFL, not backups

Underrated means valued at a level below the actual value; it means nothing with regards to backup or starter.

burdman
12-24-2008, 09:12 PM
Underrated means valued at a level below the actual value; it means nothing with regards to backup or starter.

WHAT????? actual value???????

Race for the Heisman
12-24-2008, 11:09 PM
WHAT????? actual value???????

I can't tell if you're ******** or feigning ignorance, so I'll give you a pass.

OneToughGame
12-24-2008, 11:13 PM
I really think Jarrett Dillard is underrated. I think he'll make the team that drafts him very happy.

diabsoule
12-25-2008, 12:01 AM
Overrated

1. Sam Bradford/ QB/ Oklahoma
2. Rey Maualuga/ LB/ USC
3. Rashad Jennings/ RB/ Liberty
4. Tyson Jackson/ DE/ LSU
5. Chris Wells/ RB/ Ohio St.

Underrated
1. James Davis/ RB/ Clemson
2. Larry English/ DE/ Northern Illinois
3. Louis Delmas/ S/ Western Michigan
4. Evander Hood/ DT/ Missouri
5. Jamon Meredith/ OT/ South Carolina

burdman
12-25-2008, 03:34 PM
Underrated means valued at a level below the actual value; it means nothing with regards to backup or starter.

Ok. genius. what is Harrell's "actual value"? How can u determine a prospect's "actual value" in December?

etk
12-25-2008, 07:20 PM
Overrated:

- Brandon Pettigrew - how valuable is a blocking TE with decent receiving skills? TEs with similar skill sets command very little in the FA market. Pettigrew is 1 round overrated.
- Brian Cushing - One of the stiffest prospects I've ever seen, period. Production is mediocre. Lacks a position. Probably the most overrated prospect right now.
- Rashad Johnson - Poor man's Brandon Meriweather. Nothing special about his game. Mid-season hype has taken him from his proper draft status to overrated.
- Darry Beckwith - Physically unimpressive. Doesn't even stand out playing MLB in college.
- Louis Murphy. Good size and speed, but plays in a gimmick offense with a history of awful WRs. Runs mainly deep routes and has stiff hips. Poor man's Troy Williamson.

Underrated:

- Michael Johnson - all the tools necessary to be a stud pass rusher. Rare physical specimen at a time when sack-masters are extremely desirable. Players like him are what the draft's all about...coaching and shaping athletes.
- Brooks Foster - outstanding physical tools. Struggles to produce on a team with poor QB play and other top targets. If he played on Oklahoma or Texas he would be a 1st round lock.
- Marcus Freeman - prototypical OLB with size, quickness, tackling and coverage abilty. Only weakness is hit power.
- Scott McKillop - ideal size and tackling ability for a MLB. Speed is questionable but he manages to roam the field with instincts and quickness. Changes directions well.
- Stephen Hodge - not even ranked on Scott's site.

Sniper
12-25-2008, 07:38 PM
How in the world is he UNDERRATED?

Because everyone gets in a tizzy because he doesn't have great numbers without realizing it's part of the scheme he plays in.

Sniper
12-25-2008, 07:39 PM
Vontae Davis because no one's calling him the best CB in this draft yet.

He's not the best corner in the draft. No corner that gets benched is the best corner in the draft. Malcolm Jenkins is so much better than Davis right now.

AtariBigby
12-25-2008, 08:21 PM
Overrated: Matthew Stafford

How many #1 QBs have we seen turn into busts? Guys who either didn't produce as well in college as many others, but who had the "physical measurements" that scouts love. Or who could physically make every throw you need to on Sundays. These are the same scouts who made Tom Brady pick #199, Tony Romo & Kurt Warner undrafted, and Drew Brees a 2nd rounder, but they made the physically-gifted David Carr #1 overall, or the "larger-than-Aaron Rodgers" Alex Smith the #1 overall pick. Ryan Leaf had great heighth also. Dan McGwire was chosen ahead of Brett Favre in 1991 only because he was taller. How'd that one work out?

Stafford had the luxury of Knowshown Moreno taking defensive focus away from him, and a great WR in Massaquoi, yet he still paled in comparison to Tim Tebow in terms of production and wins, same conference.
And Georgia was ranked higher than Florida was in the pre-season by almost everyone. Stafford reminds me of another former pretty-boy QB, former Fresno QB David Carr, and that's not a good thing, unless just being drafted high is the goal.

Underrated: Rey Maualuga

I don't care about his 40-times in the combine. I didn't care about Ray Lewis', Emmitt Smith, or Jerry Rice's times either. I want football speed, and I want football intensity, and this guy has it. He has what you want, and like Lewis in the 20-range of his draft, and Derrick Brooks in the late 20's of his draft, this guy is going to have a long and productive career in the NFL, with many dominant games. No way is a guy like that underrated.

I agree with RaiderNation about BJ Raji being underrated too. That guy has a long NFL career ahead of him, hopefully in Green & ugly-mustard yellow. But our GM only likes prospects from under rocks or one's with long injury-history.

JaxJag_1
12-25-2008, 09:06 PM
Overrated: Vontae Davis
Underrated: Derek Pegues

Thunder&Lightning
12-25-2008, 09:22 PM
Overrated
Taylor Mays
Michael Johnson
Chris Wells
James Laurinaitis

Underrated
Hakeem Nicks
Nate Davis
Derrick Williams

energizerbunny
12-25-2008, 09:27 PM
Overated -
Sam Bradford
James Laurenitis
Brian Orakpo


Underrated -
Jason Phillips
Michael Johnson
Louis Delmas

BNad
12-25-2008, 09:50 PM
Overrated: Matthew Stafford
Stafford had the luxury of Knowshown Moreno taking defensive focus away from him, and a great WR in Massaquoi, yet he still paled in comparison to Tim Tebow in terms of production and wins, same conference.
And Georgia was ranked higher than Florida was in the pre-season by almost everyone. Stafford reminds me of another former pretty-boy QB, former Fresno QB David Carr, and that's not a good thing, unless just being drafted high is the goal.


I don't get this delusional view that Matthew Stafford lost us all of our games this year to make us so overrated. The defense was bad this season, the o-line play post injuries was pretty abysmal, and outside of the Florida game Stafford played alright in losses.

Alabama: 24/42 274 yds 2 TD 1 INT (The numbers admittedly look better because of Bama's comfortable lead in the second half)
Georgia Tech: 24/39 407 yds 5 TD 1 INT

Not his fault every defensive player didn't bother to wrap-up on a single tackle against Georgia Tech. Not his fault the defense came out flat as can be against Alabama.

You yourself mention Knowshon Moreno as a luxury- don't think that cuts into the stats Stafford gets? In the past two years he had 20 victories (sans bowl this season) to Tebow's 21. Not that I put much into that, as Florida's defense gave up tons of points last season and it wasn't on Tebow that they lost.

I don't get the pretty boy thing either. Is anyone really calling Stafford a pretty boy? I've seen him several times on campus.. he's not getting that label from me. He's no JPW.

Geason Noceur
12-25-2008, 10:44 PM
And Georgia was ranked higher than Florida was in the pre-season by almost everyone. Stafford reminds me of another former pretty-boy QB, former Fresno QB David Carr, and that's not a good thing, unless just being drafted high is the goal.

:roll: That's the first time that I've seen anyone call Stafford a pretty-boy.

Race for the Heisman
12-26-2008, 02:38 AM
Ok. genius. what is Harrell's "actual value"? How can u determine a prospect's "actual value" in December?

You determine actual value by watching tape and projecting. A player's stock will be affected by things like team, system, and triangle numbers at the combine. All of these things will will combine with what the actual value is and then adjust or reduce that. This changed value is a player's stock. That's how Matt Leinart went from #1 to #11 or whatever he went at. He came back and played well. What changed was the scrutiny and the hype. His actual value was probably about the same, which, looking at it right now, is not equivalent to where he went, however, his stock, his perceived value, that changed. Vince Young's actual value, not so hot. Vince Young's stock when he came out? Soaring. He took some hits by only running a 4.5 (and I say that in all honesty) and the reportedly awful Wonderlic score, but coming out after winning the Rose Bowl meant his perceived value could not get any higher. Everyone got so caught up in his potential that they forgot what he actually was, except for Merrill Hodge, who took a step back and said: "Honestly, this guy's just not a quarterback at the next level."

As for Harrell, I'd put his actual value in the third, Trent Edwards-like. Now he may actually end up going there, but so-called experts will say that is because this is a weak quarterback draft and so he will be 'over-drafted.' There are also many people, some on this board included, who wouldn't touch him until the sixth or so. There is no concrete way to say what his actual value is, but I made a statement and I'll stand by it. I think he's worth a third, he may not go until the fourth, fifth, or sixth. That makes him underrated.

holt_bruce81
12-26-2008, 03:03 AM
Underrated: Rey Maualuga

I don't care about his 40-times in the combine. I didn't care about Ray Lewis', Emmitt Smith, or Jerry Rice's times either. I want football speed, and I want football intensity, and this guy has it. He has what you want, and like Lewis in the 20-range of his draft, and Derrick Brooks in the late 20's of his draft, this guy is going to have a long and productive career in the NFL, with many dominant games. No way is a guy like that underrated.

This guy is one of the most overrated players in the draft. Horrible at reading plays. And misses way to many tackles. 2nd/3rd rounder IMO.

illmatic74
12-26-2008, 03:22 AM
This guy is one of the most overrated players in the draft. Horrible at reading plays. And misses way to many tackles. 2nd/3rd rounder IMO.But he can't be overated if that's the majority opinion of everyone on this board.

giantsfan
12-26-2008, 05:48 AM
Under-rated:
Greg Hardy (My third DE behind Rak and Brown)
Brandon Spikes (is my top MLB and second best overall LB)
Jason Smith (is my top senior OT)
Marko Mitchell (A sleeper with great size hands and fluidity.
Ramses Barden (a Giant with the wheels to stretch the field and a great vertical)

Sniper
12-26-2008, 07:20 AM
Overrated

Derrick Williams, WR/RS, Penn State- This guy is a joke. The love he gets on this board is absurd. Can't run a route to save his life, has mediocre hands and has little to no production as a WR. He's the third most productive senior WR on his own team.

Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech- For such amazing tools, this guy should be so much better.

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois- No "elite" corner should ever be benched during the middle of the year, especially in such a bad year for the Big 10.

Underrated

Taylor Mays, S, USC- Everyone gets caught up in the production, or lack thereof, but people don't understand Pete Carroll's scheme. Mays is often asked to sit back and take care of anything deep, and he does it well. USC ranks as the #1 pass defense in the country and has also only given up three pass plays of 25+ yards, by far the best in the country. The second best is New Mexico State with 9. Mays plays a huge role in that.

Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State- Some people think he should play FS in the pros and others think Davis is the best corner ahead of Jenkins. No way. Jenkins is a lockdown corner with good size and good run-stuffing ability. The best corner by far, and until he's recognized as such, he's underrated.

Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers- Finished 2nd in the country in yards per game. He's a big target who moves the chains. If he didn't have such a train-wreck throwing to him, he'd be much higher on everyone's boards.

Halsey
12-26-2008, 07:29 AM
I've seen every game Knowshon Moreno has played in and the more I think about it the more I think he's a little overrated. I wouldn't want to see my team draft him in the first round if they needed a RB. Many people seem to think he's a top 20 pick. There's a LOT to like about him, but he doesn't have the body that can handle a workhorse back load, he doesn't have elite speed and I just don't think it's a good idea to draft RB's in the first unless they are Adrian Peterson/Herschel Walker/Barry Sanders level prospects. Also, keep in kmnd that Moreno had the benefit of a good passing game to keep defenses honest. People say that he kept the focus off the passing game, but it's not a one way street. They helped each other.

bearsfan_51
12-26-2008, 09:15 AM
I've seen every game Knowshon Moreno has played in and the more I think about it the more I think he's a little overrated. I wouldn't want to see my team draft him in the first round if they needed a RB. Many people seem to think he's a top 20 pick. There's a LOT to like about him, but he doesn't have the body that can handle a workhorse back load, he doesn't have elite speed and I just don't think it's a good idea to draft RB's in the first unless they are Adrian Peterson/Herschel Walker/Barry Sanders level prospects. Also, keep in kind that Moreno had the benefit of a good passing game to keep defenses honest. People say that he kept the focus off the passing game, but it's not a one way street. They helped each other.

I absolutely agree. There's nothing about Moreno that says elite to me. He's still my #2 back, but it's outside the 1st round.

AtariBigby
12-26-2008, 10:58 AM
Agreed.

Moreno is nowhere near the skilled RB that Adrian Peterson was, and with the trend in the NFL to have more 2 & 3-back systems, Moreno should slide. So should Beanie Wells. Wells would be a good pick for the Broncos since all their RBs end up on IR anyway (7 of them this year). He'd fit right in there.

AtariBigby
12-26-2008, 11:01 AM
This guy is one of the most overrated players in the draft. Horrible at reading plays. And misses way to many tackles. 2nd/3rd rounder IMO.

(If you're a Mizzou fan, in the Big 12, you probably don't know what defense is....)
So his NFL career will be like what: Go on record now holt_bruce81.
I'll go on record and say he will START in multiple Pro Bowls.

BNad
12-26-2008, 07:24 PM
I've seen every game Knowshon Moreno has played in and the more I think about it the more I think he's a little overrated. I wouldn't want to see my team draft him in the first round if they needed a RB. Many people seem to think he's a top 20 pick. There's a LOT to like about him, but he doesn't have the body that can handle a workhorse back load, he doesn't have elite speed and I just don't think it's a good idea to draft RB's in the first unless they are Adrian Peterson/Herschel Walker/Barry Sanders level prospects. Also, keep in kmnd that Moreno had the benefit of a good passing game to keep defenses honest. People say that he kept the focus off the passing game, but it's not a one way street. They helped each other.

It's weird seeing Stafford's passing game as a reason to downgrade Moreno rather than the other way around. :p

I'm with you on the RB in the TOP of the first unless it's an elite level prospect, but towards the end, depending on needs, I'd take him. What he lacks in size and speed he (imo) more than makes up for with his vision and the effort he gives on every run.

AtariBigby
12-26-2008, 09:41 PM
He does give supreme effort on every run, which I respect and appreciate, reminds me of Portis who gives all every time there's a play, run, block, or catch.

But I think Moreno is a guy who won't stay healthy. That means he's a perfect fit for the Broncos. :eek:

AtariBigby
12-26-2008, 09:44 PM
I don't get the pretty boy thing either. Is anyone really calling Stafford a pretty boy? I've seen him several times on campus.. he's not getting that label from me. He's no JPW.
What I meant was, like Brady Quinn at his draft with the long locks, the 70's Show look, I think Stafford needs to keep it trimmed.

Quinn got ripped for that look on draft day. I'd like to see Stafford pay attention to detail too and keep the 'do short. But maybe that's just me, but I know the guy's looking ahead to the draft, so take a lesson from BQ's error and look like an adult, not Ashton Kutcher on TV. Unless his career is in music.
:p

Smokey Joe
12-26-2008, 10:16 PM
I'm only gonna try and only do guys with potential for the top 3 rounds.

Top 5 Overrated:
1.) DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
2.) OG Herman Johnson, LSU
3.) OT Jason Smith, Baylor
4.) LB James Laurinaitis
5.) QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

Honorable Mentions:
-OL Max Unger, Oregon
-DE Larry English, Northern Illinois
-WR Ramses Barden, Cal Poly

Top 5 Underrated:
1.) DE Philip Hunt, Houston
2.) WR Kenny Britt, Rutgers
3.) LB Jason Williams, Western Illinois
4.) QB Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston St.
5.) OG Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati

Honorable Mentions:
-OC Antoine Caldwell, Alabama
-OL Jamon Meredith, South Carolina
-DT Vance Walker, Georgia Tech

BNad
12-26-2008, 11:18 PM
What I meant was, like Brady Quinn at his draft with the long locks, the 70's Show look, I think Stafford needs to keep it trimmed.

Quinn got ripped for that look on draft day. I'd like to see Stafford pay attention to detail too and keep the 'do short. But maybe that's just me, but I know the guy's looking ahead to the draft, so take a lesson from BQ's error and look like an adult, not Ashton Kutcher on TV. Unless his career is in music.
:p

Oh no doubt on the hair. I've been hoping he'd buzz it down to what it was his freshman year.

Larry121283
12-27-2008, 08:52 AM
I think Phil Loadholt is getting the overrated label thrown around so much these days he might be venturing into the underrated category.

Pure right tackle prospect as a mauler. He does have some decent feet and he uses his hands well. Once he gets his mits on you, its over.

I think as an early second round player, you are getting a good football player. Might be the fifth best tackle on the board. He might get passed on for a pure left tackle prospect, depending on the team, based on the fact he'll play on the right side and doesn't have much upside on the left, but I can't see him going in the third or fourth round like some people project. Early 2nd.`

Babylon
12-27-2008, 12:45 PM
What I meant was, like Brady Quinn at his draft with the long locks, the 70's Show look, I think Stafford needs to keep it trimmed.

Quinn got ripped for that look on draft day. I'd like to see Stafford pay attention to detail too and keep the 'do short. But maybe that's just me, but I know the guy's looking ahead to the draft, so take a lesson from BQ's error and look like an adult, not Ashton Kutcher on TV. Unless his career is in music.
:p

No tattoos and no long hair, what's next Afros and earrings?

Race for the Heisman
01-02-2009, 10:17 PM
I know most will disagree with me, but I'd take a chance on Javorskie Lane. I was reviewing film from before this year (so basically when he played running back) and its very reminiscent of Shonn Greene. You always have to question a guy with a persistent weight problem, but since the goes expected to go undrafted, what's a seventh to you?

Also, probably won't come out, but I like Thaddeus Gibson of Duke. He's been coached by Cutcliffe, has gotten steadily more productive each year, has great size, a very nice arm, and a nice release.

Zyro_1014
01-02-2009, 10:23 PM
(If you're a Mizzou fan, in the Big 12, you probably don't know what defense is....)
So his NFL career will be like what: Go on record now holt_bruce81.
I'll go on record and say he will START in multiple Pro Bowls.

haha very good, i was plannin on sayin somethin to that effect.

DoWnThEfiElD
01-02-2009, 10:53 PM
Overrated- Terrance Cody

giantsfan
01-02-2009, 11:20 PM
(If you're a Mizzou fan, in the Big 12, you probably don't know what defense is....)
So his NFL career will be like what: Go on record now holt_bruce81.
I'll go on record and say he will START in multiple Pro Bowls.

I'll take that bet. He's the third best linebacker in this draft if Herzlich doesn't come out and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Sintim make a bigger impact and even Lil Animal and Sean Witherspoon if they're in a cover-2.

Rey's a big, tough mofo, but he's pretty stiff for a LB and doesn't shed well, a common problem for college LBs but a problem none the less. He's going to be effective and establish toughness for your D as long as you let him just attack, but he's out of control too often and doesn't wrap up all that well. Spikes, Curry and Herzlich are not only far superior athletes, but they are also so much quicker mentally as they read plays before Rey Rey even realizes the RB he just murdered didn't actually have the ball.

What I meant was, like Brady Quinn at his draft with the long locks, the 70's Show look, I think Stafford needs to keep it trimmed.

Quinn got ripped for that look on draft day. I'd like to see Stafford pay attention to detail too and keep the 'do short. But maybe that's just me, but I know the guy's looking ahead to the draft, so take a lesson from BQ's error and look like an adult, not Ashton Kutcher on TV. Unless his career is in music.
:p

Are you seriously critiquing Stafford over his hair cut? Maybe you should start watching The View instead of Football.

619
01-02-2009, 11:25 PM
Overrated- Terrance Cody

I'm sure there are mixed emotions on this guy as a prospect, however I'd definitely say he's overrated for the most part. I expect him to come back next season.

TaylorMade
01-02-2009, 11:32 PM
Underrated:
DJ Moore: Could be the second cornerback drafted when it's all said and done.
Percy Harvin
Chase Coffman
Evander Hood
Mohamed Massaquio

Overrated:
Jeria Perry: Top Heavy
Tyson Jackson
Alex Mack
Senderrick Marks
Marcus Freeman

Wildcatsj25
01-03-2009, 12:47 AM
3 Players out of Abilene Christian, Bernard Scott (dont know if you can call him Underrated because he won DII heisman), QB Billy Malone, and WR Johhny Knox. If you havent seen these 3 guys play you will like what you see if your team drafts them.

Zyro_1014
01-03-2009, 12:48 AM
Overweight- Terrance Cody

fixed it for you :)