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GatorsBullsFan
12-23-2008, 07:02 AM
Ok I've been checking this site for Draft Tips for a long time and I love this site...but this year I think I have finally caught the great Scott Wright in a Mistake...George Selvie from USF is suppose to be a First rounder this year and I can't find his name in your Rankings...He is a Junior and he is better than Everette Brown.

Mr. Stiller
12-23-2008, 07:26 AM
Ok I've been checking this site for Draft Tips for a long time and I love this site...but this year I think I have finally caught the great Scott Wright in a Mistake...George Selvie from USF is suppose to be a First rounder this year and I can't find his name in your Rankings...He is a Junior and he is better than Everette Brown.

Selvie is not better than Everette Brown.

GatorsBullsFan
12-23-2008, 07:30 AM
Selvie was ranked as one of the Top 3 DEs in the country behind Orakpo and Johnson

Mr. Stiller
12-23-2008, 07:31 AM
Selvie was ranked as one of the Top 3 DEs in the country behind Orakpo and Johnson

Key word.. "Was".

Everette Brown is faster, Stronger, more explosive and more productive. Everette Brown is looking at a top15-20 Selection at the worst... Selvie likely won't crack round 1.

GatorsBullsFan
12-23-2008, 07:33 AM
George Selvie is a 2 time All-American plus he played most of this season with a High Ankle Sprain.

Plus Selvie and Brown both run a 4.65

BandwagonPunditry
12-23-2008, 07:37 AM
Ok I've been checking this site for Draft Tips for a long time and I love this site...but this year I think I have finally caught the great Scott Wright in a Mistake...George Selvie from USF is suppose to be a First rounder this year and I can't find his name in your Rankings...He is a Junior and he is better than Everette Brown.

I believe the rankings at this point are still Sr focused, there's little point in Scott ranking juniors before they've declared as the rankings are focused on the next draft only, or investing too much time in them, beyond the obvious monitoring of future prospects. Closer to the time, when more juniors have declared I imagine you'll see the rankings change significantly. There are only a couple of scouting reports up, it's early days yet.

Scott Wright
12-23-2008, 08:12 AM
George Selvie isn't in my rankings because he hasn't declared and didn't make the cut for round one of my mock. In fact, word is Selvie is leaning toward going back to school.

There is no question that Selvie is a great college player and he has been playing hurt this season but the bottom line is he's undersized and probably won't be able to put on much weight. Also, he isn't going to be a workout warrior, which raises questions about whether he has the speed and athleticism to make the move to a 3-4 outside linebacker.

If Selvie comes out he could be a fringe first rounder.

GatorsBullsFan
12-23-2008, 08:26 AM
George Selvie isn't in my rankings because he hasn't declared and didn't make the cut for round one of my mock. In fact, word is Selvie is leaning toward going back to school.

There is no question that Selvie is a great college player and he has been playing hurt this season but the bottom line is he's undersized and probably won't be able to put on much weight. Also, he isn't going to be a workout warrior, which raises questions about whether he has the speed and athleticism to make the move to a 3-4 outside linebacker.

If Selvie comes out he could be a fringe first rounder.

He is 6'4 252 pounds....I mean I'm not really sure what the right size is for a DE but that looks pretty good to me

SuperKevin
12-23-2008, 09:45 AM
He is 6'4 252 pounds....I mean I'm not really sure what the right size is for a DE but that looks pretty good to me

Problem is he's a thin 252. He doesn't have the required bulk to be a factor in the run game or avoid being pushed around at the LOS

Scott Wright
12-23-2008, 09:50 AM
And he has a thin lower body. He's built like a basketball player and his metabolism makes it extremely difficult for him to put on and maintain weight.

In my opinion he is absolutely a 3-4 linebacker prospect but if he's only going to run a 4.7 that's not great. Especially when you compare him to Brian Orakpo and Everette Brown.

I definitely think he's a Day One pick, but concern about his size, position and speed will most likely push him into very late round one or round two.

Staubach12
12-23-2008, 12:15 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/48/486027.jpg

That's not a great lower body. His body type reminds me of Manny Lawson, but he's not the athletic freak Lawson was.

JDB7821
12-23-2008, 12:27 PM
Slightly off topic, but along the same lines...Scott, do you think Everette Brown can fall to the Falcons at 32? Humor aside, the Falcons are going to be picking late first round, do we have a shot at the guy?

bearsfan_51
12-23-2008, 12:30 PM
Slightly off topic, but along the same lines...Scott, do you think Everette Brown can fall to the Falcons at 32? Humor aside, the Falcons are going to be picking late first round, do we have a shot at the guy?

I'm not Scott, but no, not at all.

BeerBaron
12-23-2008, 12:31 PM
Aye, Everette will likely work himself into being a top 15 pick at least by the time all is said and done.

YAYareaRB
12-23-2008, 12:32 PM
I wouldn't mind drafting Brown for the 49ers if he were there.

PACKmanN
12-23-2008, 12:33 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/48/486027.jpg

That's not a great lower body. His body type reminds me of Manny Lawson, but he's not the athletic freak Lawson was.

lolz, I have a feeling this is going to turn into an McFadden 2.0 thread.

TACKLE
12-23-2008, 12:37 PM
Selvie has put on a lot of weight since his sophomore season and reports have him at around 265. When I watched him this year he looked noticeably thicker than he did as a soph. I think physically he has very similar build to Derrick Harvey from last year. Harvey played at about 255-260 and bulked up to 270 by the combine. If Selvie is 265 than they are quite similar as players and prospects.

scottyboy
12-23-2008, 12:40 PM
George Selvie is a 2 time All-American plus he played most of this season with a High Ankle Sprain.

Plus Selvie and Brown both run a 4.65

too bad he's terribly over-rated and constantly gets man-handled by the better OL that he goes against. He's a non-factor in games I see him, and Rutgers didn't even doubled team him. He got shut down by Zuttah, switched sides and was shut down by Sosa last year, and this year couldn't get anything against Sophomore Anthony Davis...

oh yea, and:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0coE7cmdos4iE/610x.jpg

RaiderNation
12-23-2008, 12:41 PM
If Selvie added 10-15 lbs more, he could be the 2nd DE taken this year. But he wont, but I can see a 3-4 team take a chance on him late in the 1st or early 2nd to be a OLB

JaxJag_1
12-23-2008, 12:41 PM
Everette Brown > George Selvie

bigbluedefense
12-23-2008, 12:55 PM
im curious if people feel he can be a good situational pass rusher in the NFL?

i want a 4th DE on the Giants for nickel downs, and I think he could get after it Robert Mathis style on 3rd and long. We don't need him to be a complete DE, just a pass rusher.

Can he do this? Or is he just too small to pan out in the NFL at any level?

TACKLE
12-23-2008, 12:55 PM
In Selvie's defense, during the bowl game, they showed at stat that said Selvie was double-teamed on 53% of pass plays. I'd be willing to bet that's the highest % of any DE.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-23-2008, 12:57 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/48/486027.jpg

That's not a great lower body. His body type reminds me of Manny Lawson, but he's not the athletic freak Lawson was.

That's from last year.

It's 95% chance he's staying so this is all moot.

SuperKevin
12-23-2008, 12:57 PM
im curious if people feel he can be a good situational pass rusher in the NFL?

i want a 4th DE on the Giants for nickel downs, and I think he could get after it Robert Mathis style on 3rd and long. We don't need him to be a complete DE, just a pass rusher.

Can he do this? Or is he just too small to pan out in the NFL at any level?

He certainly could be one but he won't last long enough unless you plan on using your late 1st rounder or trading up to get him.

bigbluedefense
12-23-2008, 12:58 PM
He certainly could be one but he won't last long enough unless you plan on using your late 1st rounder or trading up to get him.

word on the street is he's a 2nd rounder right now, and we have NO's 2nd round pick which will be fairly early in the 2nd.

with the depth at DE this year, i don't expect him to go round 1 if he declares.

sbh15
12-23-2008, 01:01 PM
im curious if people feel he can be a good situational pass rusher in the NFL?

i want a 4th DE on the Giants for nickel downs, and I think he could get after it Robert Mathis style on 3rd and long. We don't need him to be a complete DE, just a pass rusher.

Can he do this? Or is he just too small to pan out in the NFL at any level?

He's too talented to be a one down player. If he bulks up in his senior season, which it appears he is staying for, then he'll be a far better prospect, and perhaps go in the top 20.

SuperKevin
12-23-2008, 01:02 PM
word on the street is he's a 2nd rounder right now, and we have NO's 2nd round pick which will be fairly early in the 2nd.

with the depth at DE this year, i don't expect him to go round 1 if he declares.

I'd agree but that whole late 1st/early 2nd is usually a crapshoot.

bigbluedefense
12-23-2008, 01:05 PM
im upset that the Giants couldn't nab Quentin Groves when he was falling. I loved Groves.

I figure if Groves can fall that far, why not Selvie?

What about Hardy? Any news on this guy and where he will fall?

Hardy is my favorite DE in this draft.

SuperKevin
12-23-2008, 01:24 PM
He's too talented to be a one down player. If he bulks up in his senior season, which it appears he is staying for, then he'll be a far better prospect, and perhaps go in the top 20.

Unfortunately he'll likely have to deal with guys like Everson Griffen, Jermaine Cunningham, Jeremy Beal, Paul Krueger, and Greg Romeus. All of those guys have a shot at potentially leap frogging him if they declared

sbh15
12-23-2008, 01:25 PM
Unfortunately he'll likely have to deal with guys like Everson Griffen, Jermaine Cunningham, Jeremy Beal, Paul Krueger, and Greg Romeus. All of those guys have a shot at potentially leap frogging him if they declared

This is very true... But the point remains that Selvie is far too talented to be a one down player.

Menardo75
12-23-2008, 02:37 PM
I think Selvie really needs to stay for his senior season get healthy and have a great year. If he does that he will be a sure fire 1st round pick in 2010.

Habibi
12-23-2008, 02:46 PM
George Selvie reminds me a lot of Bruce Davis. Great college player but simply doesn't have the physical tools to make a consistent impact at the next level. I'm not completely writing George Selvie off, but he needs to work a lot more than the average player on his physique in the NFL.

I hope he stays for his senior year, bulk up, get healthy, and get back to his sophomore form. He has a legitimate chance of being a first rounder next season.

GatorsBullsFan
12-23-2008, 03:00 PM
Selvie might not be the fastest but his size combined with how good his Technique is at DE...I mean he only started playing DE his Senior year of High school so his Technique is this good right now and he still has demanded Double team on 70% of the plays this season. Plus he has a great Nose for the Ball he has 31.5 Tackles for loss this season.

All you have to do is watch his Highlight Reel of his 2007 Season as a Sophmore to see what happens when he isn't being Double Teamed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZLb6jdnZ0

Scott Wright
12-23-2008, 03:17 PM
George Selvie reminds me a lot of Bruce Davis.

I like that comparison a lot.

Maybe a notch above Davis.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-23-2008, 03:24 PM
I like that comparison a lot.

Maybe a notch above Davis.

I probably agree with this too, I think the two things that Selvie has that help his case in the pros are:

1.An absurdly fast first step on pass rushes.
2.Good reads on running plays.

Those two things will probably make him a 1st rounder as a senior, probably getting 10-12 sacks a year at his peak as a pass rush specialist.

Larry121283
12-23-2008, 03:53 PM
I'll pass on a Florida State end...

I'd take Selvie over Everette Brown and take my chances.

Taking a Florida State end that stays at end is like taking a TTech QB. Thanks, but no thanks.

scottyboy
12-23-2008, 04:38 PM
Selvie might not be the fastest but his size combined with how good his Technique is at DE...I mean he only started playing DE his Senior year of High school so his Technique is this good right now and he still has demanded Double team on 70% of the plays this season. Plus he has a great Nose for the Ball he has 31.5 Tackles for loss this season.

All you have to do is watch his Highlight Reel of his 2007 Season as a Sophmore to see what happens when he isn't being Double Teamed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZLb6jdnZ0

you know the majority of those plays came against:
Elon, UNC before they were good, Pat White scrambling and being caught from behind(selvie's fast, I'll give him that), FAU, UCF, and Syracuse.

The others were Auburn and Uconn who have average OL's. That's my biggest knock, he's not doing it against good or even average OL's.

Note who wasn't in that highlight: Rutgers, who sent Jeremy Zuttah to the pros last year via the draft. Let's see him do something against a pro calibur OLmen, or a decent OL in general...

GatorsBullsFan
12-23-2008, 05:37 PM
you know the majority of those plays came against:
Elon, UNC before they were good, Pat White scrambling and being caught from behind(selvie's fast, I'll give him that), FAU, UCF, and Syracuse.

The others were Auburn and Uconn who have average OL's. That's my biggest knock, he's not doing it against good or even average OL's.

Note who wasn't in that highlight: Rutgers, who sent Jeremy Zuttah to the pros last year via the draft. Let's see him do something against a pro calibur OLmen, or a decent OL in general...

Hey you can't blame him for the Talent he had to go against

Staubach12
12-23-2008, 06:41 PM
Hey you can't blame him for the Talent he had to go against

In that case, Brandon Swain is the #1 DE!!!!!!!!!!!111!!1!1one

PACKmanN
12-23-2008, 06:46 PM
I like that comparison a lot.

Maybe a notch above Davis.

just throwing a name around, but how about Calvin Pace?

Mr. Stiller
12-23-2008, 10:37 PM
I wouldn't mind drafting Brown for the 49ers if he were there.

Draft Everette Brown and Slide Manny Lawson inside next to Willis and they will be one hell of a Nasty Duo.

Mr. Stiller
12-23-2008, 10:40 PM
I'll pass on a Florida State end...

I'd take Selvie over Everette Brown and take my chances.

Taking a Florida State end that stays at end is like taking a TTech QB. Thanks, but no thanks.

I'm sorry, but if Kamerion Wimbley wasn't on the Browns, he'd probably be one of the best 3-4 OLB's in the league.

That said, FSU Defense is nothing like a TTech QB.

In that breath you could say the same about PSU RB's, but you'd have to ignore Larry Johnson.


Always an exception, and I feel Everette Brown is an exception.

Larry121283
12-23-2008, 11:05 PM
I'm sorry, but if Kamerion Wimbley wasn't on the Browns, he'd probably be one of the best 3-4 OLB's in the league.

That said, FSU Defense is nothing like a TTech QB.

In that breath you could say the same about PSU RB's, but you'd have to ignore Larry Johnson.


Always an exception, and I feel Everette Brown is an exception.

Notice I said "ends that stay ends"...there are virtually NONE that have succeeded, IIRC. Peter Boulware was good, but he was an OLB. Kamerion Wimbley is ok at best, but again, a linebacker. Tony Bryant? Meh, I guess he was ok. Had a decent career...but a first rounder? No thanks. Orpheus Roye? Eh, more of an inside-outside guy. He was drafted in the sixth round. Had a long career, wouldn't call him special.

I can go back nearly 20 years and not find a single FSU DE that did anything significant in the NFL when he stayed at DE. The only success stories have come when they move to linebacker. And really, its success STORY, namely, Peter Boulware.

Everette Brown isn't better than Andre Wadsworth in college, he also isn't better than Jamal Reynolds in college.

I don't even know if I'd say he was better than Reinard Wilson.

If you are content with taking an FSU DE, go right ahead, I won't stop you, but as far as I am concerned, I'll pass. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll take the risk on someone else. If I miss out, so be it. My rule will work 99% of the time.

SuperKevin
12-23-2008, 11:09 PM
Are you seriously going to not draft a stud like Brown because Andre Wadsworth was a bust? I'll actually agree with BBIB here and say using your logic then Sam Bradford and Matthew Stafford shouldn't be drafted because Georgia and Oklahoma have had poor QBs

Larry121283
12-23-2008, 11:25 PM
You don't use the same logic for every player. You don't square peg yourself like that.

With that said, I wouldn't take Sam Bradford as high as many are saying he'll go right now and Matt Stafford is in the Jay Cutler pile right now. Gives you a lot of reasons not to draft him, but he has the plus plus arm strength and shows you he can make NFL throws. Better upside as a pro than what he has shown as a collegiate.

With that said, I'd take a good number of DEs in this years class over Everette Brown. I don't see a stud quality at all about him. In college, he'd be low on my list of FSU DEs, as a prospect, he isn't as high as most of them. Wouldn't call him a stud. And, if you'd like to revisit this topic in 5 years, by all means, bump away, I'd like to think I have history on my side and will take that bet nearly every time.

JDB7821
12-25-2008, 03:32 PM
Notice I said "ends that stay ends"...there are virtually NONE that have succeeded, IIRC. Peter Boulware was good, but he was an OLB. Kamerion Wimbley is ok at best, but again, a linebacker. Tony Bryant? Meh, I guess he was ok. Had a decent career...but a first rounder? No thanks. Orpheus Roye? Eh, more of an inside-outside guy. He was drafted in the sixth round. Had a long career, wouldn't call him special.

I can go back nearly 20 years and not find a single FSU DE that did anything significant in the NFL when he stayed at DE. The only success stories have come when they move to linebacker. And really, its success STORY, namely, Peter Boulware.

Everette Brown isn't better than Andre Wadsworth in college, he also isn't better than Jamal Reynolds in college.

I don't even know if I'd say he was better than Reinard Wilson.

If you are content with taking an FSU DE, go right ahead, I won't stop you, but as far as I am concerned, I'll pass. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll take the risk on someone else. If I miss out, so be it. My rule will work 99% of the time.

Not highly drafted, but I love what Chauncey Davis brings to the Falcons. He's a great backup DE and should probably start over Jamaal Anderson.

scottyboy
12-25-2008, 06:02 PM
Hey you can't blame him for the Talent he had to go against

the main thing is, he hasn't preformed against the good talent he's gone against...

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-25-2008, 06:51 PM
Are you seriously going to not draft a stud like Brown because Andre Wadsworth was a bust? I'll actually agree with BBIB here and say using your logic then Sam Bradford and Matthew Stafford shouldn't be drafted because Georgia and Oklahoma have had poor QBs

Yet people knock Tebow because of Alex Smith.

HellonEarth84
12-25-2008, 10:21 PM
I compare Selvie to James Harrison.

Lack of size, lack of true position in the 4-3, late bloomers, average speed at best.

However, both have great motors and work ethic.

Selvie will find a place in the league and if he does drop to rd2 he's going to be a steal.

Mr. Stiller
12-25-2008, 11:05 PM
I compare Selvie to James Harrison.

Lack of size, lack of true position in the 4-3, late bloomers, average speed at best.

However, both have great motors and work ethic.

Selvie will find a place in the league and if he does drop to rd2 he's going to be a steal.

Selvie is not James Harrison. James Harrison has ungodly Strength.. I don't see the power or drive that Harrison has in Selvie.

I'm thinking a better comparison would be a guy like Anthony Spencer.

619
12-26-2008, 12:52 AM
Yet people knock Tebow because of Alex Smith.

No, Tebow's issues go MUCH farther than just the system ...