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jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 07:18 PM
Someone posted it in the Jets forum:

John Clayton on ESPN reported that the Jets and Lions are in trade talks about sending Vilma, #25, and our late 2nd for #2 overall.

No link as of now.


Damn this is one exciting offseason!

BlindSite
03-03-2007, 07:19 PM
So you'd lose your best defensive player in order to draft whom? AD? I can't see you guys taking CJ, though he would be a great weapon for years to come, but AD could be great.

Eaglez.Fan
03-03-2007, 07:19 PM
Damn, Vilma is a monster that'd be a crazy trade. But this is probably assuming Adrian Peterson would still be there. At the Lions pick. It would be a great trade for both. Detroit picking up the best young ILB, and still having a 1st rounder. And the Jets getting an amazing RB, and Vilma isn't as effective in the 3-4

BuckNaked
03-03-2007, 07:20 PM
EF, I guarantee you that the Raiders will not draft AP.

Beans
03-03-2007, 07:20 PM
:O

ten times :O

Azale
03-03-2007, 07:21 PM
Wow...that's a steep drop in the first round. Has a team ever traded that high up before?

I thought Vilma had a down year this year too...

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 07:22 PM
"John Clayton on ESPN reported that the Jets and Lions are in trade talks about sending Vilma, #25, and our late 2nd for #2 overall."

If thats the case and the Jets take Peterson, I really hope the Browns take Calvin Johnson.

art vandelay
03-03-2007, 07:22 PM
This is definitely a trade for Adrian Peterson.

shavedaeyebrow2
03-03-2007, 07:22 PM
Wow, if this happens, I may just not become a Jets fan anymore. We trade away the bulk of our draft, and our defensive captain. Just wow.

ricky bobby
03-03-2007, 07:22 PM
I think that it would cost the jets their first and both second round picks to trade up that far. I'm assuming it's for Adrian Peterson.

Basileus777
03-03-2007, 07:22 PM
So you'd lose your best defensive player in order to draft whom?

Vilma isn't their best defensive player in the 3-4. If the Jets trade him it means that Mangini doesn't believe that Vilma fits his system.

If this goes through I think the Jets would be getting the better end of this deal by far.

Eaglez.Fan
03-03-2007, 07:23 PM
EF, I guarantee you that the Raiders will not draft AP.

Really, why is that? There moving to the west coact offense, which would be huge if they had a very good RB. They're reportedly keeping Moss. And they might get a vet QB.


Wow...that's a steep drop in the first round. Has a team ever traded that high up before?

I thought Vilma had a down year this year too...

It was mainly because of the switch from 4-3 to 3-4

BuckNaked
03-03-2007, 07:24 PM
They might get a vet QB to pave the way for a younger one.

PoopSandwich
03-03-2007, 07:24 PM
Do the Jets run a 4-3 or a 3-4?

If so, I could see them maybe trying to ink a trade with Cleveland for Andra Davis... Leon Williams and D'Qwell seem to fit the 3-4 a bit better.

shavedaeyebrow2
03-03-2007, 07:30 PM
The only way I'd trade Vilma would be for Vilma and a 3rd for #2

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 07:31 PM
Jets run a hybrid 3-4 I think.

Andra is fine in the 3-4, he gets a ton of tackles every year. We need better DL so he doesnt have to shed so much blockers and make a tackle 10 yards down field.

Beans
03-03-2007, 07:31 PM
The only way I'd trade Vilma would be for Vilma and a 3rd for #2

That's a bit ridiculous. Maybe Vilma and a high 2nd. That's a bit more realistic, but still a stretch.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 07:32 PM
They run a 3-4, which is the only reason why Vilma is even thought about being dealt.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 07:33 PM
Wow, if this happens, I may just not become a Jets fan anymore. We trade away the bulk of our draft, and our defensive captain. Just wow.

You say that now, but when Adrian Peterson rushes for 2,500 yards his rookie campaign, you may begin to reconsider . . .

Diehard
03-03-2007, 07:34 PM
The rumor around Denver was that Detroit wanted to acquire Al Wilson, but Shanny shot that down immediately. Now the Lions appear to be going after even bigger game in Vilma... I guess they *really* want a MLB to anchor their defense.

TCU
03-03-2007, 07:35 PM
wow this would be a huge deal, Vilma is the face of the franchise and i couldnt see him anywhere but NYJ. This trade is for All Day but the Jets have to give up a lot for him, but you never know if relations between Vilma and the Jets might not be the strongest. Trade or no trade this is still exciting stuff.

Number 10
03-03-2007, 07:38 PM
Vilma does not fit the 3-4 so I understand it partially....but that run defense was so bad last year and they would be losing their best LB. Seems kind of fishy unless they bring in a FA or two.

And it would make mocks so hard to make because I could see them taking Quinn, Peterson, or Johnson there.

ks_perfection
03-03-2007, 07:38 PM
You say that now, but when Adrian Peterson rushes for 2,500 yards his rookie campaign, you may begin to reconsider . . .

The only way AD would rush for 2,500 yards is on Madden 2008 if your playing on easy.

Philliez01
03-03-2007, 07:39 PM
I hate being "that guy" but can I have a link about this? Usually people say "John Clayton Reports. . . ." or "Adam Schefter reports. . . ." when there's a faulty news item. I remember reading on YAHOO! Answers some guy saying that Troy Aikman was coming out of retirement. Granted, this is a lot more realistic but the price for trading that high up would be ridiculous.

If so, this is obviously for AD but how would they work Leon Washington into the offense more? AD is obviously starting but how would they utilize Leon, I'm guessing like NE uses Kevin Faulk?

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 07:40 PM
The only way AD would rush for 2,500 yards is on Madden 2008 if your playing on easy.

LOL! Most likely more than that, I could probably average 1018 yards per game with AD on Rookie.

Number 10, there run defense was so bad last year, but so was their run offense.

draftguru151
03-03-2007, 07:41 PM
That trade values Vilma as the #7 overall pick roughly. That trade actually makes a lot of sense. Vilma is a very good fit in a tamp 2 defense, and the Jets can get either CJ or AD at #2. Huge trade but I actually think it makes some sense.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 07:41 PM
AD hasnt played a full season of 10-12 games in college yet. How will he last 16 in the much more brutal NFL?

Frsh yr = 1 game from shoulder
soph yr = ankle causing him to have surjury
junior yr = colar bone, missing much of the season

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 07:42 PM
I hate being "that guy" but can I have a link about this? Usually people say "John Clayton Reports. . . ." or "Adam Schefter reports. . . ." when there's a faulty news item. I remember reading on YAHOO! Answers some guy saying that Troy Aikman was coming out of retirement. Granted, this is a lot more realistic but the price for trading that high up would be ridiculous.

If so, this is obviously for AD but how would they work Leon Washington into the offense more? AD is obviously starting but how would they utilize Leon, I'm guessing like NE uses Kevin Faulk?

Believe me, I want the link just as badly as everyone else. I'm looking hard for it. They would use Leon as a spell for AD, keep him fresh as a rookie. Also, we can line Leon up at WR, and maybe throw out a quick screen to him. Leon is good for about 6-10 carries a game with AD, and he can do damage that way. Also, in a split backs formation AD can block and Leon can run out of the backfield.

BigDawg819
03-03-2007, 07:43 PM
The Lions better make this trade before the Jets' front office sobers up and realizes what it just did....

GB12
03-03-2007, 07:43 PM
I think it makes sense for both teams. Vilma is a very good LB, but not a great fit for the 3-4. Detroit really wants a MLB, but there isn't one worth taking at #2. They also still get a first round pick.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 07:45 PM
That trade values Vilma as the #7 overall pick roughly. That trade actually makes a lot of sense. Vilma is a very good fit in a tamp 2 defense, and the Jets can get either CJ or AD at #2. Huge trade but I actually think it makes some sense.

I agree with you. Vilma is not such a great fit in a 3-4, but yet a top 3 LB in a 4-3. I would say a top three 25 year old linebacker with a positive attitude values to a top 5 draft pick. This trade would be the definition of blockbuster.

Basileus777
03-03-2007, 07:45 PM
The Lions better make this trade before the Jets' front office sobers up and realizes what it just did....

That they traded a linebacker who doesn't really fit their defense for the #2 pick in the draft? If anything the Jets would be getting the better end of this deal. Vilma is good, but not enough to give up the #2 pick.

Philliez01
03-03-2007, 07:47 PM
Believe me, I want the link just as badly as everyone else. I'm looking hard for it. They would use Leon as a spell for AD, keep him fresh as a rookie. Also, we can line Leon up at WR, and maybe throw out a quick screen to him. Leon is good for about 6-10 carries a game with AD, and he can do damage that way. Also, in a split backs formation AD can block and Leon can run out of the backfield.

That appears like a good scenario for all parties, Leon is too dangerous of a weapon to not be invovled in the offense in some capacity. I see end-arounds, reverses, etc out of him this year; sort-of like a poor Reggie Bush.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 07:47 PM
That appears like a good scenario for all parties, Leon is too dangerous of a weapon to not be invovled in the offense in some capacity. I see end-arounds, reverses, etc out of him this year; sort-of like a poor Reggie Bush.

Exactly! A poor Reggie Bush is basically the PERFECT description for him.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 07:50 PM
A poor man = a bum right?

LOL made me laugh.

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-03-2007, 07:53 PM
This is without a doubt a trade for AD.Jets fans just better hope hes there.
Raiders are likely to cut Jordan.
Raiders need a RB.
Raiders could trade down with Houston.


I hope This trade happens.Then hopefully Houston will try and trade with Oakland.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 07:57 PM
This is without a doubt a trade for AD.Jets fans just better hope hes there.
Raiders are likely to cut Jordan.
Raiders need a RB.
Raiders could trade down with Houston.


I hope This trade happens.Then hopefully Houston will try and trade with Oakland.

One thing we could do is heavily smokescreen that we are taking CJ, then trade down with Tampa, pick up extra picks and maybe take Joe Thomas? How is Thomas at RT?

Gridiron
03-03-2007, 08:01 PM
The trade is definitely for Peterson, but if he's taken #1, we wouldn't have any problem taking Johnson. WR is barely a need, but, like we all know, he is clearly the best player in the draft and would help any team.

jetsfan3, we're not taking a RT at #4 overall.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 08:03 PM
The trade is definitely for Peterson, but if he's taken #1, we wouldn't have any problem taking Johnson. WR is barely a need, but, like we all know, he is clearly the best player in the draft and would help any team.

jetsfan73, we're not taking a RT at #4 overall.

Who's jetsfan73?

We probably wont, but just imagine that line . . .

jackalope
03-03-2007, 08:06 PM
if they trade up to 2 they should take Joe Thomas and move him to RT. they'd have the most amazing young O-line.

AlexDown
03-03-2007, 08:10 PM
No thanks.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 08:10 PM
Raiders - Jemarcus Russell
Jets - Adrien Peterson
Browns - Calvin Johnson
TampaBay - screwed

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 08:12 PM
Raiders - Jemarcus Russell
Jets - Adrien Peterson
Browns - Calvin Johnson
TampaBay - screwed

LOL


AlexDown why are you opposed to this?

Philliez01
03-03-2007, 08:12 PM
Tampa would be in decent shape, they would just get either Gaines Adams or Joe Thomas to replace Kenyatta Walker.

shavedaeyebrow2
03-03-2007, 08:12 PM
No thanks.

Someone who agrees! We are losing most of our first day picks to get Adrian Peterson. If Peterson had never gotten injured in college, I'd consider it, but giving up that much for a RB who was injury prone in college is too risky. If WR was a huge need of ours, I'd possibly consider it, but this is too much.

Gridiron
03-03-2007, 08:16 PM
Who's jetsfan73?

We probably wont, but just imagine that line . . .

haha, sorry about that. I see things when I'm this tired.

That would be a helluva line, but there's more value at #2 with the possibility of landing either Peterson or Johnson than at #6 and taking a RT, IMO.

Number 10
03-03-2007, 08:18 PM
I think the Jets will have to wait and see who they can get in FA before they trade away their best LB. If they trade him, that will leave two holes at ILB, a position that is not always easy to fill in the 3-4.

familyguy555
03-03-2007, 08:19 PM
Omg Yess Pleaseeeee!!!1

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-03-2007, 08:20 PM
TBay wouldn't be screwed, they could take Gaines Adams or Alan Branch in that scenario. And the Browns would probly take Quinn anyway.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-03-2007, 08:21 PM
Oh, and I ran for over 2000 on All-Madden with AD splitting carries as a rookie. Bell, his backup, had 800 yards.

Gridiron
03-03-2007, 08:22 PM
I think the Jets will have to wait and see who they can get in FA before they trade away their best LB. If they trade him, that will leave two holes at ILB, a position that is not always easy to fill in the 3-4.

Eric Barton is a decent player and Vilma is definitely not our best LB anymore.

That title goes to Bryan Thomas.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 08:26 PM
Eric Barton is a decent player and Vilma is definitely not our best LB anymore.

That title goes to Bryan Thomas.

I agree, Bryan Thomas is our best LB and Kerry Rhodes is our best defensive player.

Notredameleo
03-03-2007, 08:34 PM
I would love this trade for the lions. They get a stud MLB that fits the tampa 2, and with the first round pick they could get a CB like Chris houston or Revis.

'cuse-213
03-03-2007, 08:35 PM
There is a reason the jets havent signed anyone in FA yet. Its because they plan on building their team through the draft. So why on earth would they give up their own draft picks?

dont worry guys madden comes out soon.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 08:36 PM
There is a reason the jets havent signed anyone in FA yet. Its because they plan on building their team through the draft. So why on earth would they give up their own draft picks?

dont worry guys madden comes out soon.

In what way is getting the #2 not building through the draft?

familyguy555
03-03-2007, 08:37 PM
This would be monumental (big word) for Detroit. We finally get an anchor for that D in Vilma. Pair him with Sims and watch out.

Pocket
03-03-2007, 08:37 PM
In what way is getting the #2 not building through the draft?

QFT.

Adrian Peterson is not a way of building your team?

Smooth Criminal
03-03-2007, 08:38 PM
Great trade for both teams. The lions biggest need is at LB and there isn't anyone worthy of the #2 pick and the Jets need a player like AP.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 08:38 PM
QFT.

Adrian Peterson is not a way of building your team?

Thank you. It is apparent that cuse does not know what he is talking about.

Beans
03-03-2007, 08:39 PM
Someone who agrees! We are losing most of our first day picks to get Adrian Peterson. If Peterson had never gotten injured in college, I'd consider it, but giving up that much for a RB who was injury prone in college is too risky. If WR was a huge need of ours, I'd possibly consider it, but this is too much.

Since when is one pick most of them?

Smooth Criminal
03-03-2007, 08:41 PM
In what way is getting the #2 not building through the draft?

He means they're trading away picks which they need.

But if I remember they have 2 2nd rounders so trading one of them isn't that big of a deal. You still have 3 day 1 picks and one of them is 2nd overall.

familyguy555
03-03-2007, 08:41 PM
ok nvm damn ten characters

Beans
03-03-2007, 08:43 PM
ok nvm damn ten characters

Yeah... that's what I said.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 08:45 PM
He means they're trading away picks which they need.

But if I remember they have 2 2nd rounders so trading one of them isn't that big of a deal. You still have 3 day 1 picks and one of them is 2nd overall.

Yes. We have #37 (WSH 2nd rounder) and #57 or something, which is late. And the pick we are trading is the later pick, so we have #2 overall and #37 overall and a 3rd rounder.

sodar21
03-03-2007, 08:45 PM
Eric Barton is a decent player and Vilma is definitely not our best LB anymore.

That title goes to Bryan Thomas.

Victor Hobson was pretty good last year as well.

BigDawg819
03-03-2007, 08:48 PM
That they traded a linebacker who doesn't really fit their defense for the #2 pick in the draft? If anything the Jets would be getting the better end of this deal. Vilma is good, but not enough to give up the #2 pick.


I understand that Vilma is a better fit in a 3-4 scheme and the Jets aren't going to run that but the Jets are giving up their first 2 picks in the draft and a pretty good linebacker for the 2nd pick. I'm sorry but with a draft that is going to have pretty good depth in the first 2 rounds, the Lions are getting the better end of this deal. I foresee this deal being spoken in the same breath as the LT-Vick and Eli-Rivers/Merriman trades.

Notredameleo
03-03-2007, 08:49 PM
So how close is this to actually happening. If detroit does this, signs Curtis and have already signed white, This would be a great offseason just with those three things.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 08:51 PM
So how close is this to actually happening.

I'm dying to know the same thing.

Pocket
03-03-2007, 08:51 PM
It's merely a rumor. Hopefully we get some more information about it soon.

frogstomp
03-03-2007, 08:55 PM
If this comes true, the Lions instantly become my second favorite team, and I hate the Jets for at least a month.

I'm pissed off just hearing that this is a rumour.

****.

Notredameleo
03-03-2007, 09:01 PM
Man, Elisha Cuthbert is so frickin hot!!!!

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 09:01 PM
If they did this trade, it probably wouldnt happen until draft day so they can gaurantee the player they want is there.

shavedaeyebrow2
03-03-2007, 09:02 PM
Since when is one pick most of them?

Ok, learn to count. We lose 2 picks. We may be gaining one, but we are losing two picks.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-03-2007, 09:03 PM
This is a massive move down for Detroit, but considering they would pick up a great fit for their defense in Vilma, and I like it.

To do this the Jets are going to have to really want Peterson, but if they do (and for them to be in talks about it I would imagine that would be the case) then I think it benefits both teams.

drmoyer421
03-03-2007, 09:03 PM
STOP!

Now take a deep breath! This is a rumor from someone who posted it, and that person didnt even hear it.

Has anyone even heard this even being mentioned, or heard it on ESPN? Cause i havent, and I feel like everyone is posting about nothing and nonsense!

Not even the biggest rumor mill in the internet profootballtalk doesnt have anything about it

PACKmanN
03-03-2007, 09:11 PM
if this trade happens does Millan become a hero?

PalmerToCJ
03-03-2007, 09:16 PM
This trade would just be insane for the Lions. If I was them I'd be all over that (if it's on the table).

You get an impact defender and you still have a late 1st and 2 second rounders.

Smooth Criminal
03-03-2007, 09:37 PM
if this trade happens does Millan become a hero?

No. He can never redeem himself.

'cuse-213
03-03-2007, 09:41 PM
In what way is getting the #2 not building through the draft?

um maybe because you would be getting rid of draft picks......










........

'cuse-213
03-03-2007, 09:43 PM
THIS JUST IN:

Unknowledgable football fans believe anything/any rumor.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 09:45 PM
um maybe because you would be getting rid of draft picks......










........

We lose one pick in this trade. It is clear you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. My suggestion to you is that you leave this thread and come back when you are ready to post intelligently.

darnik44two
03-03-2007, 09:46 PM
Vilma struggled in the 3-4 system and they are definetly looking to deal him. I think it would be a good trade for both teams with the Lions actually getting the advantage. They would get a tested verteran and former first round pick while fill a need at MLB. Adding another second round pick would be a good spot for a WR. There will still be some very talented ones left. It would also take the pressure off of Millen to make the right choice at #2. The Jets could go several different directions with the #2 overall. I think they could or would possibly look to deal it, move back a few spots and get back the second they lost only in a lot higher position, or just take a potential francise player at #2.

P-L
03-03-2007, 09:48 PM
AD hasnt played a full season of 10-12 games in college yet. How will he last 16 in the much more brutal NFL?

Frsh yr = 1 game from shoulder
soph yr = ankle causing him to have surjury
junior yr = colar bone, missing much of the season
Sorry for bringing this post up, but you're wrong. Adrian Peterson injured his shoulder before his freshman season in Spring practice. However, it healed quickly and he didn't miss any time in the regular season. He played in every single game as a freshman and played in all but one game as a sophomore.

'cuse-213
03-03-2007, 09:52 PM
We lose one pick in this trade. It is clear you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. My suggestion to you is that you leave this thread and come back when you are ready to post intelligently.

wow you must not have read it right. the jets, are not big players in FA. theyre going to pick up a couple players in a few days who will be pretty good/ back ups. they need as many draft picks as possible. you might not have noticed from the 10-6 season but the jets are a rebuilding team. trading up for AD will not do this team any good. possible? of course. trading down is what jets will most likely do, to get more picks, not less.

i would definitely be willing to bet anything that this does not happen.

your just upset because someone doesnt think we will get AD, trust me.. AD will not be a jet.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 09:58 PM
wow you must not have read it right. the jets, are not big players in FA. theyre going to pick up a couple players in a few days who will be pretty good/ back ups. they need as many draft picks as possible. you might not have noticed from the 10-6 season but the jets are a rebuilding team. trading up for AD will not do this team any good. possible? of course. trading down is what jets will most likely do, to get more picks, not less.

i would definitely be willing to bet anything that this does not happen.

your just upset because someone doesnt think we will get AD, trust me.. AD will not be a jet.

I'm just upset because someone doesn't think we will get AD? I'm not upset. I'll remember to trust you, Mr. Future Predictor, AD will not be a Jet. And did Mangini call you telling you that we will trade down?

'cuse-213
03-03-2007, 10:03 PM
I'm just upset because someone doesn't think we will get AD? I'm not upset. I'll remember to trust you, Mr. Future Predictor, AD will not be a Jet. And did Mangini call you telling you that we will trade down?

I didnt say we would trade down, stop putting words in my mouth. I said it would be smart to, and its more likely than trading up.

Mr. Future Predictor, sounds kinda nice.. I will let you call me that when all this blows over.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 10:05 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11323&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11323.

familyguy555
03-03-2007, 10:07 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11323&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11323.

its all insider (which im pretty sure is against the rules) and im not an insider so whats important there?

nyjets5125
03-03-2007, 10:10 PM
isn't it AP not AD? everyone keeps saying AD in this thread, and ive been calling him AP since he was a dominant freshman at oklahoma

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 10:12 PM
isn't it AP not AD? everyone keeps saying AD in this thread, and ive been calling him AP since he was a dominant freshman at oklahoma

AD was his nickname out of highschool meaning All Day

familyguy555
03-03-2007, 10:12 PM
isn't it AP not AD? everyone keeps saying AD in this thread, and ive been calling him AP since he was a dominant freshman at oklahoma

AP = adrian peterson AD = All Day his nickname

nyjets5125
03-03-2007, 10:15 PM
o thanks, i feel kinda stupid, but thanks for the clarification

AMJets
03-03-2007, 10:15 PM
If it's Vilma and #25 for #2, the Jets would be all over that. Vilma is a solid player in the 3-4, nothing special. Peterson has the potential to be one of the best RBs in the NFL.

Even if one of the Jets' second round picks has to be included, they'd need to pull the trigger.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 10:15 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11323&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11323.

OH WHAT DOES IT SAY. THE AGONY. THE AGONY. WHAT DOES IT SAY??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paranoidmoonduck
03-03-2007, 10:16 PM
THIS JUST IN:

Unknowledgable football fans believe anything/any rumor.

THIS JUST IN:

We're discussing the possibility of this trade from the perspective of both teams, not whether it is real or not.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 10:16 PM
If it's Vilma and #25 for #2, the Jets would be all over that. Vilma is a solid player in the 3-4, nothing special. Peterson has the potential to be one of the best RBs in the NFL.

Even if one of the Jets' second round picks has to be included, they'd need to pull the trigger.

Nothing special? The Lions play a Cover 2 Tampa I believe, something along those lines. Anyway, Vilma is a top 3 LB in that scheme and he is 25 years old.

keylime_5
03-03-2007, 10:18 PM
Hopefully this trade dies so the Browns get AD and Detroit and New York get nothing

AMJets
03-03-2007, 10:18 PM
Nothing special? The Lions play a Cover 2 Tampa I believe, something along those lines. Anyway, Vilma is a top 3 LB in that scheme and he is 25 years old.

Umm... okay?

I said he's nothing special in the 3-4, which is true.

familyguy555
03-03-2007, 10:20 PM
not a very reliable website at all but some guy says he heard it on john claytons radio show! http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=19217

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 10:21 PM
Umm... okay?

I said he's nothing special in the 3-4, which is true.

I misread, my apology.

'cuse-213
03-03-2007, 10:21 PM
THIS JUST IN:

We're discussing the possibility of this trade from the perspective of both teams, not whether it is real or not.

seems to me like some people really think this will happen. but your right.

'cuse-213
03-03-2007, 10:22 PM
not a very reliable website at all but some guy says he heard it on john claytons radio show! http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=19217

I'm a member there too

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 10:22 PM
Hopefully this trade dies so the Browns get AD and Detroit and New York get nothing

AD reminds me of Chris Brown, but obviously better. But the thing is both are allways hurt because of there running style.

nyjets5125
03-03-2007, 10:29 PM
OH WHAT DOES IT SAY. THE AGONY. THE AGONY. WHAT DOES IT SAY??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude don't worry, i have insider, its just the draft analysis of peterson, nothing special

nyjets5125
03-03-2007, 10:30 PM
it's possible that this is just a NY rumor, cuz you know any NY team has rumors surrounding them all the time

Grizzlegom
03-03-2007, 10:33 PM
i think this would be a great trade for both teams. the jets get a choice of almost anyone in the draft, likely AP, and the lions get the MLB they need and some more picks to address their many needs.

vilma was wildly inconsistent and played poorly in the 3-4. i honestly think he isnt suited for it and they should trade him now while he still has ridiculously high value.

Thecollegedropout
03-03-2007, 10:35 PM
STOP!

Now take a deep breath! This is a rumor from someone who posted it, and that person didnt even hear it.

Has anyone even heard this even being mentioned, or heard it on ESPN? Cause i havent, and I feel like everyone is posting about nothing and nonsense!

Not even the biggest rumor mill in the internet profootballtalk doesnt have anything about it
PFT did mention that the Jets had been entertaining the chance of moving up yesterday night.......



POSTED 5:57 p.m. EST, March 2, 2007

JETS CONSIDERING A TRADE UP?

We're hearing that the New York Jets are considering an effort to trade up from the No. 25 spot in round one to the top of the draft.

The Jets would like to get in position to draft either receiver Calvin Johnson or running back Adrian Peterson.

To ensure that they'll get either guy, the Jets likely would have to land no lower than No. 3.

asmitty45
03-03-2007, 10:54 PM
honestly, ill cry tears of joy if this happens. I love vilma and i hate watching him play in a system he doesnt fit. AD would be sick with the jets and they cn fill that 3-4 ILB position thru FA (Ed Hartwell) or thru the Draft in the 3rd/4th Rounds

if this happens then i may be able to look millen in the face if were ever to meet him.

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 10:57 PM
honestly, ill cry tears of joy if this happens. I love vilma and i hate watching him play in a system he doesnt fit. AD would be sick with the jets and they cn fill that 3-4 ILB position thru FA (Ed Hartwell) or thru the Draft in the 3rd/4th Rounds

if this happens then i may be able to look millen in the face if were ever to meet him.

Donnie Edwards is also a possiblity. This trade works out for both teams.

TCU
03-03-2007, 10:57 PM
I think NYJets want to trade Vilma, we know he could be traded to Detroit and Washington is a real possibility. Portis for Vilma?
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070301-124258-9226r.htm

jetsfan3
03-03-2007, 10:59 PM
I think NYJets want to trade Vilma, we know he could be traded to Detroit and Washington is a real possibility. Portis for Vilma?
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070301-124258-9226r.htm

That was a possibility as well, but the Skins signed Fletcher-Baker, so they must not want him, or should I say need him, as bad.

draftguru151
03-03-2007, 11:18 PM
AD reminds me of Chris Brown, but obviously better. But the thing is both are allways hurt because of there running style.

Not one of ADs injuries are from his running style.

WMD
03-04-2007, 12:35 AM
Well, if this trade doesn't go through.. Our best move would be to trade down and pick up Patrick Willis...

Finlayson56
03-04-2007, 12:43 AM
that seems like the worst trade ever

princefielder28
03-04-2007, 12:43 AM
not worth it for the Jets just to get Adrian Peterson; no way!!!

The Great Jonathan Vilma
03-04-2007, 01:05 AM
i'm pretty torn in this. I can't even explain how heart broken i would be if Vilma was dealt. AP is my favorite player in the draft and would love him on the Jets. but getting him and losing Vilma......i'll put it this way. Vilma did have a down year, he is undersized for a 3-4 but is still very young and just had his first year in that style of defense, i think he can pick it up. AP although amazing, is injury prone, like it or not, and do u want to give up ur defensive captian, regardless of his down year, for a RB who has had trouble making it through all but one college season (out of 3)? i'm not sold.

DChess
03-04-2007, 01:13 AM
i actually really like this trade, vilma has so much more value ot the lions than the jets, he's a good player, but alot of others play better in that system. also i think its worth for peterson, he's cant miss prospect, and he defitnaly proved it at the combine. Also if this does go down, you will see calvin johnson in cleveland

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-04-2007, 01:35 AM
AD reminds me of Chris Brown, but obviously better. But the thing is both are allways hurt because of there running style.
no its because AD has to run the ball 30+ a game.

The Legend
03-04-2007, 02:50 AM
Someone posted it in the Jets forum:

John Clayton on ESPN reported that the Jets and Lions are in trade talks about sending Vilma, #25, and our late 2nd for #2 overall.

No link as of now.


Damn this is one exciting offseason!

i would wonder if they would give Vilma & 1st Round

Edit: and Curtis Martin | maybe he will come back |

GREENSMACKS
03-04-2007, 03:44 AM
If the jets do this its for Calvin johnson. Why would the Jets give up their first rounder and Vilma for AP when they can give up their first and third rounder for Turner. . I would think the Jets value vilma more so than a 3rd round pick. The Jets OC worked with Turner in SD and the Jets have interest so Turner's production isnt a fluke. Also i would even venture to guess with Coles bitching about working hard toward the end of the season, and the Lions need WR help, why not offer vilma, coles and a 3rd round pick for the top pick? Grab CJ

WMD
03-04-2007, 03:59 AM
If the jets do this its for Calvin johnson. Why would the Jets give up their first rounder and Vilma for AP when they can give up their first and third rounder for Turner. . I would think the Jets value vilma more so than a 3rd round pick. The Jets OC worked with Turner in SD and the Jets have interest so Turner's production isnt a fluke. Also i would even venture to guess with Coles bitching about working hard toward the end of the season, and the Lions need WR help, why not offer vilma, coles and a 3rd round pick for the top pick? Grab CJ

Lions don't need WR help.. We have Roy Williams, Mike Furrey, and they're probably going to sign Kevin Curtis.. In the coaching staff's eyes, they're set... If we needed WR help, we'd just stay at 2 and take Calvin Johnson.

AdrianWilson12
03-04-2007, 06:38 AM
In terms of value it is fine. Its the only way a team can justify trading in the top 3 in a draft is for a elite QB or a once in a generation player, Peterson doesn't fit the bill. On that logic, Russell, Quinn and Johnson are the only onnes worth that weight in gold. Thats why I'm against the Cardinals trading up for Thomas. This would have shades of the Ricky Williams deal, just with the addition of Peterson being injury prone.

As a Cardinals fan though, this trade is perfect. It would all but guarentee Thomas at 5.

MaxV
03-04-2007, 09:51 AM
I know that Vilma hasn't done very well in the 3-4 system, but still, to me this seems like way to high of a price to pay for the Jets just to fill a need (RB) that historically isn't all that hard to fill.

If true, Lions get the better end of the deal.

'cuse-213
03-04-2007, 10:35 AM
Sunday, March 04, 2007
DAVE HUTCHINSON
Star-Ledger Staff

Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum has said he'll be patient in free agency. The team is currently around $15 million under the salary cap. There are rumors the Jets may look to trade up in the draft to select a top-tier running back but that seems unlikely because the price would be steep and Tannenbaum insists he wants to build through the draft.


^thats exactly what ive been saying, but i guess its clear i have no idea what im talking about right?

derza222
03-04-2007, 10:37 AM
I'm still not convinced that the Jets would be trading up for AD, I could be completely off here but Johnson is still a real possibility in my eyes. Vilma, a first, and a second for a slightly injury prone guy is a lot, because as great a player as Peterson is he still is a risk. I don't want anybody to misinterpret this because I do think he is by far the best back in the draft, but he does come with risks. Johnson is less of a risk for the Jets to trade up for, and could make sense. He's a high character guy who has the potential to be the best at his position. To add to that, we extended Cotchery who is a good player but in reality a good number 2 receiver in the NFL, not a number one. Coles is a good WR but has alluded to a possible retirement after all of the years of going down the middle and tough training camps. Calvin could be a part of a very good 3 WR receiving corps and by the time he is ready to be a #1 he could either step in and have Coles and Cotchery bump down or could step in once LC retires. I'm more doing this to play devils advocate than anything else but I still don't think that the Jets taking AD if they do make this trade is a lock by any stretch of the imagination.

derza222
03-04-2007, 10:40 AM
Sunday, March 04, 2007
DAVE HUTCHINSON
Star-Ledger Staff

Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum has said he'll be patient in free agency. The team is currently around $15 million under the salary cap. There are rumors the Jets may look to trade up in the draft to select a top-tier running back but that seems unlikely because the price would be steep and Tannenbaum insists he wants to build through the draft.


^thats exactly what ive been saying, but i guess its clear i have no idea what im talking about right?


It's tough to trust the Ledger all the time, they do have some idea of what they're talking about sometimes but they're completely off at others. I read that this morning but just because the Star-Ledger says it I wouldn't exactly believe that it's a guarantee that the Jets don't trade up. Plus, if the Jets feel that Vilma is not a good fit for the 3-4 defense, the price is not actually that steep. It's a player who is not a good fit in your scheme, a first rounder, and a second rounder, for the number two pick. And if the Jets do make this trade, they obviously don't believe that Vilma is a good fit in their scheme and feel that his potential to improve is not that high.

LonghornsLegend
03-04-2007, 12:11 PM
seems like a perfect fit, AD has injury concerns so i dont see him getting bulk of the load, and washington played great and is a different style runner then AD so i can see them splittingg carries

'cuse-213
03-04-2007, 12:21 PM
It's tough to trust the Ledger all the time, they do have some idea of what they're talking about sometimes but they're completely off at others. I read that this morning but just because the Star-Ledger says it I wouldn't exactly believe that it's a guarantee that the Jets don't trade up. Plus, if the Jets feel that Vilma is not a good fit for the 3-4 defense, the price is not actually that steep. It's a player who is not a good fit in your scheme, a first rounder, and a second rounder, for the number two pick. And if the Jets do make this trade, they obviously don't believe that Vilma is a good fit in their scheme and feel that his potential to improve is not that high.

right, but i was stated earlier that i have no idea what im talking about. just shedding some light.

Komp
03-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Why don't they just move up to grab Lynch? It would cost waaaay less than AD and you're still getting a massive improvement at RB.

derza222
03-04-2007, 12:50 PM
right, but i was stated earlier that i have no idea what im talking about. just shedding some light.

No, I read your posts and they do make sense, a trade down would make more sense than a trade up for us because we are a rebuilding team with a below average talent level and we have a ton of needs. That said trading Vilma in a trade up is not that much really if we don't think he's a good fit for the scheme. But you were pretty much on point with most of the stuff you said, all I was saying was that you have to take that newspaper article for what its worth.

Anybody else think the Jets could actually be trading up for Johnson first with Peterson as more of a backup plan? The more and more I think of it, the more I'm a little skeptical about a trade up for AD.

jetsfan3
03-04-2007, 01:13 PM
No, I read your posts and they do make sense, a trade down would make more sense than a trade up for us because we are a rebuilding team with a below average talent level and we have a ton of needs. That said trading Vilma in a trade up is not that much really if we don't think he's a good fit for the scheme. But you were pretty much on point with most of the stuff you said, all I was saying was that you have to take that newspaper article for what its worth.

Anybody else think the Jets could actually be trading up for Johnson first with Peterson as more of a backup plan? The more and more I think of it, the more I'm a little skeptical about a trade up for AD.

Calvin would be perfect for Pennington's game. A big target like him over the middle is an easy hit for Pennington.

But then when I think about it, Calvin is perferct for every QB.

eacantdraft
03-04-2007, 01:33 PM
This trade is just not going to happen.

familyguy555
03-04-2007, 01:35 PM
This trade is just not going to happen.

why dont post if your gonna be an pessimist. its PERFECT for both teams like its been said many times in this thread...go away

IndyColtScout
03-04-2007, 01:40 PM
I actually think NYJ should make this deal. The Jets got Thomas, Kassell, Shlegal, Barton, Hobson, besides Vilma at LB. The Jets would probably want to go out & get a guy like Porter before they make a deal like this. Vilma is a great player, but I think the NYJ could handle his loss. Besides, Mangini is a Mangenius. He will have the D in order. Peterson + Washington would be a dangerous 1-2 combo. If NYJ decided to go CJ, that would give Coles a legit compliment to keep double teams off of him. CJ would help Cotchery & Baker too. I think NYJ should make this deal.

frogstomp
03-04-2007, 01:44 PM
I actually think NYJ should make this deal. The Jets got Thomas, Kassell, Shlegal, Barton, Hobson, besides Vilma at LB. The Jets would probably want to go out & get a guy like Porter before they make a deal like this. Vilma is a great player, but I think the NYJ could handle his loss. Besides, Mangini is a Mangenius. He will have the D in order. Peterson + Washington would be a dangerous 1-2 combo. If NYJ decided to go CJ, that would give Coles a legit compliment to keep double teams off of him. CJ would help Cotchery & Baker too. I think NYJ should make this deal.

Cotchery is already a legitimate compliment. The only reason we should get a WR early is if we feel Coles really will retire soon.

IndyColtScout
03-04-2007, 01:46 PM
Cotchery is already a legitimate compliment. The only reason we should get a WR early is if we feel Coles really will retire soon.

Why would Coles retire when he just had a really good season, and doesn't look like he's lost his speed? CJ has size & speed, many teams will want to double team him leaving Cotchery & Coles in single coverage.

jetsfan3
03-04-2007, 01:56 PM
Why would Coles retire when he just had a really good season, and doesn't look like he's lost his speed? CJ has size & speed, many teams will want to double team him leaving Cotchery & Coles in single coverage.

He took a real beating, and he doesn't know if his body can hold up.

eacantdraft
03-04-2007, 02:15 PM
why dont post if your gonna be an pessimist. its PERFECT for both teams like its been said many times in this thread...go away

Why do I post? Because these rumours are a dime a dozen and almost never pan out. Multi player trades are a rarity in the NFL and you have to consider salary cap space.

And it would be stupid for the Lions to trade down 23 spots just so they can get Jonathan Vilma, a very nice player, but no Ray Lewis or LT Sr.

LionSmack
03-04-2007, 02:26 PM
I don't really think this trade will happen either, oddly enough not because of the Jets but the Lions. I think they will simply not be able to pull the trigger on a move from #2 all the way down to #25.

TacticaLion
03-04-2007, 02:40 PM
Wow. The last two posts have said that this would be a bad trade for the Lions.

I ask the posters... HOW!? Millen and Marinelli want a stud, "vetran" MLB for the defense, and Vilma is an incredible player. To get a player NEAR his level in the draft (or entire offseason), they'd have to take Willis in round 1.

So, the Lions could find a way to draft Willis in round 1, an unproven player but great prospect, then go about the rest of the draft as planned (with 1 second round pick [2 if they trade down]), OR they can make this trade, get their MLB of the future (a proven leader and BEAST), still have a 1st round pick and have TWO second round picks.

Believe me... this trade is perfect for the Lions. The only reason as to why this trade should NOT be had is if the Jets think Vilma can eventually work in their defense.

asmitty45
03-04-2007, 02:42 PM
I don't really think this trade will happen either, oddly enough not because of the Jets but the Lions. I think they will simply not be able to pull the trigger on a move from #2 all the way down to #25.

that wont be the reason, theyll have no qualms with moving back to #25, they solve a HUGE need with an elite MLB and this is a very deep DE class, theyd also pick up another 2nd rounder so that would cancel out the reasons for not wanting to move down.

There really is no reason for either team to not pursue this deal.

asmitty45
03-04-2007, 02:43 PM
Why do I post? Because these rumours are a dime a dozen and almost never pan out. Multi player trades are a rarity in the NFL and you have to consider salary cap space.

And it would be stupid for the Lions to trade down 23 spots just so they can get Jonathan Vilma, a very nice player, but no Ray Lewis or LT Sr.

Vilma is the closest thing to Ray Lewis, and moving down 23 spots wont matter all to much b/c theyll still be taking a DE and, once again, this is a very deep DE class

IndyColtScout
03-04-2007, 02:50 PM
If the Lions accepted the deal, they would have the oppurtunity to draft a young CB to help their D even more. If the trade were to happen, the Lions would have added the DE they were looking for, the MLB they needed, and the young CB they've been looking for (and we haven't even entered the 2nd round yet). I think Millen should do it. Vilma & Sims would be sick. They might even go Joe Staley if he's available & then CB in early 2nd. This trade would open up a lot of options that weren't there before.

LionSmack
03-04-2007, 02:54 PM
(to smitty and the other Lions guys)

Yeah, but you guys are forgetting the way the Lions have relied on the PR boost of a big-name pick to ease the fanbase's annual anger and disgust. Also I think Millen is a believer in solving problems with impact draft picks. Now, Marinelli is more of an overall-program guy, as shown by last year's pick of Sims instead of Leinart. Maybe, if the franchise is really going to operate more in that patient way, a move like this could be made, but I still think that for this year, they want to stay in the top 10 and won't move down to #25 unless they were getting the steal of all time.

TacticaLion
03-04-2007, 02:59 PM
If the Lions accepted the deal, they would have the oppurtunity to draft a young CB to help their D even more. If the trade were to happen, the Lions would have added the DE they were looking for, the MLB they needed, and the young CB they've been looking for (and we haven't even entered the 2nd round yet). I think Millen should do it. Vilma & Sims would be sick. They might even go Joe Staley if he's available & then CB in early 2nd. This trade would open up a lot of options that weren't there before.I think the Lions are still looking for a stud DE, but that player can be found with one first and two second round picks. I hope that DE, CB and S are the focuses of the first two rounds, but, if Stanton falls to round 2, they'll take him there.

TacticaLion
03-04-2007, 03:01 PM
(to smitty and the other Lions guys)

Yeah, but you guys are forgetting the way the Lions have relied on the PR boost of a big-name pick to ease the fanbase's annual anger and disgust. Also I think Millen is a believer in solving problems with impact draft picks. Now, Marinelli is more of an overall-program guy, as shown by last year's pick of Sims instead of Leinart. Maybe, if the franchise is really going to operate more in that patient way, a move like this could be made, but I still think that for this year, they want to stay in the top 10 and won't move down to #25 unless they were getting the steal of all time.Getting Vilma for the defense and STILL having a 1st round pick (and two 2nd round picks) may be the steal of all time.

The trade would be priceless for the Lions, and would give the Jets whichever stud they'd like... as Peterson and CJ will be dominant.

jetsfan3
03-04-2007, 03:15 PM
Getting Vilma for the defense and STILL having a 1st round pick (and two 2nd round picks) may be the steal of all time.

The trade would be priceless for the Lions, and would give the Jets whichever stud they'd like... as Peterson and CJ will be dominant.

Or 3 2nd rounders, depending on if we give you #25 or #37.

TacticaLion
03-04-2007, 03:20 PM
Or 3 2nd rounders, depending on if we give you #25 or #37.Nah... we'll take your #25 and your second. Moving from #25 to #2 for only your first and second is insane... and, if you're willing to trade Vilma, your admitting that he doesn't fit the defense. So, for you, if Vilma doesn't fit, the trade is a steal. He will fit for us, so it works well for both.

jetsfan3
03-04-2007, 03:27 PM
Nah... we'll take your #25 and your second. Moving from #25 to #2 for only your first and second is insane... and, if you're willing to trade Vilma, your admitting that he doesn't fit the defense. So, for you, if Vilma doesn't fit, the trade is a steal. He will fit for us, so it works well for both.

I'm not sold on Vilma not fitting yet, he would be an excellent player with a solid NT, but just nothing what he could be in a 4-3. Vilma on the Lions is better than anyone you can draft.

derza222
03-04-2007, 03:28 PM
Why would Coles retire when he just had a really good season, and doesn't look like he's lost his speed? CJ has size & speed, many teams will want to double team him leaving Cotchery & Coles in single coverage.

Coles actually stated in January that he believes he may retire soon because he takes a beating and training camp takes a toll on him.

"At this point I'm starting to realize, with the way I'm feeling, that I'm getting pretty close to the end"

Here's a link.

http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player/3388

He probably has around 2 or 3 years left I'd guess, which is enough time for Calvin to develop if he needs any time. If not, CJ is an immediate spark for our offense and when Coles retires we have a fairly polished elite #1 receiver and a very solid #2 who we just locked up for another 5 years in Cotchery. I've said it a couple times in this thread, a trade up for CJ makes enough sense that you cannot assume that the trade will be for Peterson. And I would not be surprised if Tangini fell in love with the guy and decided that he's the guy they want on this team, what is there not to like about Calvin Johnson?

derza222
03-04-2007, 03:31 PM
I'm not sold on Vilma not fitting yet, he would be an excellent player with a solid NT, but just nothing what he could be in a 4-3. Vilma on the Lions is better than anyone you can draft.


Exactly, I think he definitely could be a pretty good fit in the 3-4, but nothing compared to what he can be in the 4-3. If the team decides that he will not be an elite player in a 3-4 defense, it would make sense to trade him this offseason while people have seen him have a good season in a 4-3 recently. The ONLY reason we would trade Vilma is because Mangini is convinced he cannot be an elite 3-4 ILB, and IF that is the case and the Jets have fallen in love with AD or CJ the trade makes sense for both sides. If not, the trade will not happen.

jetsfan3
03-04-2007, 03:33 PM
He probably has around 2 or 3 years left I'd guess, which is enough time for Calvin to develop if he needs any time. If not, CJ is an immediate spark for our offense and when Coles retires we have a fairly polished elite #1 receiver and a very solid #2 who we just locked up for another 5 years in Cotchery. I've said it a couple times in this thread, a trade up for CJ makes enough sense that you cannot assume that the trade will be for Peterson. And I would not be surprised if Tangini fell in love with the guy and decided that he's the guy they want on this team, what is there not to like about Calvin Johnson?

I agree with everything you said. We can't go wrong with Calvin. If OAK takes CJ #1 overall, then, we settle for Peterson. I've seen people mention "Tangini" multiple times. Is this some kind of nickname or a typo? Is it a combo of Tannenbaum and Mangini?

derza222
03-04-2007, 03:35 PM
I agree with everything you said. We can't go wrong with Calvin. If OAK takes CJ #1 overall, then, we settle for Peterson. I've seen people mention "Tangini" multiple times. Is this some kind of nickname or a typo? Is it a combo of Tannenbaum and Mangini?

It's a combo of Tannenbaum and Mangini, or at least that's how I use it.

WMD
03-04-2007, 04:11 PM
http://www.mlive.com/lions/weblog/

Vilma trade? John Clayton says he never mentioned it
There is all kinds of talk, blogs and posts out there about ESPN's John Clayton supposedly mentioning a possible trade between the Lions and Jets that would involve Detroit's second overall pick for linebacker Jonathan Vilma and assorted draft picks.

"What? I never said a word about it. I've never mentioned Jonathan Vilma,'' Clayton said moments ago.

Ah, Internet rumors. At least this one got shot down before it grew into a monster.

draftguru151
03-04-2007, 04:13 PM
Well so much for that, lol.

energizerbunny
03-04-2007, 04:13 PM
I like the idea just because Vilma does not fit in the 3-4 at all. . And he is the ideal tampa 2 MIKE for Marinelli

TacticaLion
03-04-2007, 04:16 PM
I'm not sold on Vilma not fitting yet, he would be an excellent player with a solid NT, but just nothing what he could be in a 4-3. Vilma on the Lions is better than anyone you can draft.Well... you can't say yet that Willis will or will not be a beast. Yes, we KNOW that Vilma is a monster, but we're not sure yet if Willis (or any other MLB prospect) will be a stud.

That being said, IF they made this trade, they would have to believe that Vilma doesn't fit. And, if they made the trade, they'd have to throw in their #25 and their late second.

***THIS JUST IN***
Saw this on mlive.com:
Vilma trade? John Clayton says he never mentioned it
There is all kinds of talk, blogs and posts out there about ESPN's John Clayton supposedly mentioning a possible trade between the Lions and Jets that would involve Detroit's second overall pick for linebacker Jonathan Vilma and assorted draft picks.

"What? I never said a word about it. I've never mentioned Jonathan Vilma,'' Clayton said moments ago.

Ah, Internet rumors. At least this one got shot down before it grew into a monster.
Bah... that sucks. (Wow... I was a bit late.)

familyguy555
03-04-2007, 04:16 PM
aww **** this sucks

derza222
03-04-2007, 04:17 PM
Would have been an interesting trade, I think it spurred from people assuming we don't think Vilma can be a fit in a 3-4. If we traded him it would have meant that and I would not have minded the deal, but I'm glad we'll probably be giving him another opportunity in the defense.

familyguy555
03-04-2007, 04:19 PM
man im pissed im gonna go eat a cat

TacticaLion
03-04-2007, 04:21 PM
man im pissed im gonna go eat a cat*sigh*... save some for me.

jetsfan3
03-04-2007, 04:24 PM
*sigh*... save some for me.

I'll take the tail. :( I'm in deep sorrow and morning. Well, it was fun to speculate about.

drmoyer421
03-04-2007, 04:27 PM
http://www.mlive.com/lions/weblog/

Vilma trade? John Clayton says he never mentioned it
There is all kinds of talk, blogs and posts out there about ESPN's John Clayton supposedly mentioning a possible trade between the Lions and Jets that would involve Detroit's second overall pick for linebacker Jonathan Vilma and assorted draft picks.

"What? I never said a word about it. I've never mentioned Jonathan Vilma,'' Clayton said moments ago.

Ah, Internet rumors. At least this one got shot down before it grew into a monster.

WOW. I posted this 3 threads into this post.

STOP!

Now take a deep breath! This is a rumor from someone who posted it, and that person didnt even hear it.

Has anyone even heard this even being mentioned, or heard it on ESPN? Cause i havent, and I feel like everyone is posting about nothing and nonsense!

Not even the biggest rumor mill in the internet profootballtalk doesnt have anything about it

7 threads later we finally have sanity.. Thank you for ending this!

Jonathan_VIlma
03-04-2007, 04:28 PM
Regardless, I doubt the Jets try and trade up anyway. It would take our whole draft + some of next year. We're bringing in Ahman Green, Chris Brown and T.J. Duckett for visits, and Nick Harper, David Bowens, and Kenyon Coleman as well. This all indicates to me that we will go offensive line in the draft again, as they are trying to shore up our other holes through free agency.

jetsfan3
03-04-2007, 04:30 PM
Regardless, I doubt the Jets try and trade up anyway. It would take our whole draft + some of next year. We're bringing in Ahman Green, Chris Brown and T.J. Duckett for visits, and Nick Harper, David Bowens, and Kenyon Coleman as well. This all indicates to me that we will go offensive line in the draft again, as they are trying to shore up our other holes through free agency.

I have no problem with that style anyway. Speculating about getting AD or CJ is exciting though.

eacantdraft
03-04-2007, 04:44 PM
Got to love the internet and all some dweeb can start a rediculous rumour and that rumour is taken as if it were gospel.

Thank Gawd there are posters willing to shoot these silly rumours down.

'cuse-213
03-04-2007, 06:06 PM
Didnt see this coming.

TacticaLion
03-04-2007, 07:11 PM
Got to love the internet and all some dweeb can start a rediculous rumour and that rumour is taken as if it were gospel.

Thank Gawd there are posters willing to shoot these silly rumours down.Actually, the rumor was proposed like most other trades... starting with the "John Clayton just said this on ESPN..." line. It isn't unreasonable to entertain the idea, as the trade was reasonable for both teams.

And... you can "Thank Gawd" all you'd like, but it wasn't a "poster" that shot this "silly rumor" down... it was well-known writer that actually contacted John Clayton.

But, LOL! THANK GAWD, RITE!?