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Babylon
12-30-2008, 03:29 PM
the Seahawks select either........???????

Matthew Stafford
Andre Smith
Malcolm Jenkins
Michael Crabtree

Has a nice ring to it.

summond822
12-30-2008, 09:53 PM
Matthew Stafford and Andre Smith are the obvious choices if they are there.

I'd add Aaron Curry to that list as well, since we might not resign Leroy Hill

jballa838
12-31-2008, 04:12 PM
I've been saying it for about a month, Malcolm Jenkins.

OneToughGame
12-31-2008, 11:15 PM
Any of those 4 and I'm happy. Curry would be a nice pick if Hill is gone but it wouldn't help us out. The Seahawks actually NEED the other positions. Besides there's great depth at LB in this draft. They could pick up a guy like Marcus Freeman in the 3rd round.

Geo
01-01-2009, 10:19 AM
To know you're guaranteed one of those four guys, that's pretty awesome.

summond822
01-01-2009, 06:43 PM
Any of those 4 and I'm happy. Curry would be a nice pick if Hill is gone but it wouldn't help us out. The Seahawks actually NEED the other positions. Besides there's great depth at LB in this draft. They could pick up a guy like Marcus Freeman in the 3rd round.

They could also take a good player at WR later in the draft. No matter who they choose there it is going to be one of the elite players in this draft and should be a great pick.

Technically, I still don't think the Seahawks need anything this year. Whichever direction they go, it is going to be a luxury pick that should improve the talent base of the Seahawks.

The only NEED we have I would say is a big physical corner to start opposite Marcus Trufant. We already have a good short corner in Wilson, but he can't stop a guy like Fitzgerald or Boldin. We need another CB like Trufant to shut down the Cardinals, which is why I still think Jenkins is the best pick there.

I believe that they will take someone like Sintim or Cushing in the second round to fill our need at OLB if Hill leaves.

However we much we discuss it though...I can't shake the feeling that the Seahawks will trade down and pass on these elite prospects to settle for someone who falls to them. This may lead to another impact player in the second & third rounds, but it will still be hard to watch when they do trade down and those 4 players are likely off the board.

OneToughGame
01-02-2009, 01:55 AM
They could also take a good player at WR later in the draft. No matter who they choose there it is going to be one of the elite players in this draft and should be a great pick.

Technically, I still don't think the Seahawks need anything this year. Whichever direction they go, it is going to be a luxury pick that should improve the talent base of the Seahawks.

The only NEED we have I would say is a big physical corner to start opposite Marcus Trufant. We already have a good short corner in Wilson, but he can't stop a guy like Fitzgerald or Boldin. We need another CB like Trufant to shut down the Cardinals, which is why I still think Jenkins is the best pick there.

I believe that they will take someone like Sintim or Cushing in the second round to fill our need at OLB if Hill leaves.

However we much we discuss it though...I can't shake the feeling that the Seahawks will trade down and pass on these elite prospects to settle for someone who falls to them. This may lead to another impact player in the second & third rounds, but it will still be hard to watch when they do trade down and those 4 players are likely off the board.

I really hope Ruskell doesn't trade down this year. (Hopefully) we won't have another chance at a pick this early for a while.

ChiFan24
01-02-2009, 02:18 AM
To know you're guaranteed one of those four guys, that's pretty awesome.

That's the beauty of a 4-12 season.

How would you guys feel about Eugene Monroe or Jason Smith if Andre Smith goes #2?

jballa838
01-02-2009, 02:55 AM
I hope we dont trade down either. trading down is for teams rebuilding, we are adding a few pieces.

OneToughGame
01-02-2009, 02:57 AM
That's the beauty of a 4-12 season.

How would you guys feel about Eugene Monroe or Jason Smith if Andre Smith goes #2?

Not big on taking either of them 4th overall. Especially with the other guys at other positions still on the board.

Edit: Honestly, I've been giving Orakpo alot of thought. Kerney isn't getting younger and Jackson never was a amazing pass rusher. Kerney & Orakpo on boths sides with Mebane in the middle would do wonders to the defense..

Crickett
01-02-2009, 03:50 AM
To know you're guaranteed one of those four guys, that's pretty awesome.

What if one of them doesn't declare?

http://www.psychobabyonline.com/site/scpics/large/3126/buzzkill.jpg


:D

jballa838
01-02-2009, 01:06 PM
The ONLY Viable option for trading down is if we were to get Taylor Mays.

Babylon
01-02-2009, 04:53 PM
What if one of them doesn't declare?

http://www.psychobabyonline.com/site/scpics/large/3126/buzzkill.jpg


:D

You hush...

summond822
01-02-2009, 06:55 PM
What if one of them doesn't declare?

http://www.psychobabyonline.com/site/scpics/large/3126/buzzkill.jpg


:D

IF one of them doesn't declare we take one of the top senior OT's or Malcolm Jenkins.

Another viable option if we traded down would be to take one of those same OT's and pay them a heck of a lot less money.

I really would like to see the local kid in Mays get drafted by the Seahawks, but he is not in their range without a trade, and the biggest problem is where does he fit in? Unless they converted him to a LB he probably wouldn't start immediately this year.

Edit: If we trade down, I am looking at likely a trade to the lower half of the top 10 or 15. It is very likely that they decide to trade down farther and pick up an additional first round pick this year and trading the lower of the two for a first round next year. We're not rebuilding, but Ruskell does love to have the liberty of lots of draft picks and he does enjoy trading in the 2nd round.

OneToughGame
01-03-2009, 12:14 AM
Would anyone actually be mad if the Seahawks did take Orakpo if he was available? I know we just took "lojack" last year in the first but he's never going to be a "elite" pass rusher in the NFL, I also know we have Tapp but he's just to inconsistent for us. I don't really know anymore lol. I'd love for the Seahawks to draft Crabtree. I'd love if they drafted Jenkins, and I don't think I'd hate them drafting Orakpo one bit.

jballa838
01-03-2009, 12:41 AM
Lojack was one of the worst picks in the history of the seahawks, so I'd like Okrapo, if the price is right. Once again, at 4 we need an "Elite" talent to be worth the money. I dont see us going QB until later, and bolstering our pass rush would be great for our team.
So my Big Board is now:
1. Jenkins
2. Crabtree
3. Okrapo
4. Mays

I really dont like Stafford or Smith, and no other prospects jump out as "Elite" like these do. Jenkins is a great cover corner, Crabtree is a great WR, and Okrapo and Mays are both game changers who can make a large impact immediately.

OneToughGame
01-03-2009, 09:21 AM
Lojack was one of the worst picks in the history of the seahawks, so I'd like Okrapo, if the price is right. Once again, at 4 we need an "Elite" talent to be worth the money. I dont see us going QB until later, and bolstering our pass rush would be great for our team.
So my Big Board is now:
1. Jenkins
2. Crabtree
3. Okrapo
4. Mays

I really dont like Stafford or Smith, and no other prospects jump out as "Elite" like these do. Jenkins is a great cover corner, Crabtree is a great WR, and Okrapo and Mays are both game changers who can make a large impact immediately.

Switch Crabtree and Jenkins around and that's my list. I really think Ruskell might go for the hometown kid in Mays though, I guess I only think this because of Trufant. If I remember right wasn't Trufant a "reach" at the pick when the Seahawks drafted him?

jballa838
01-03-2009, 11:49 AM
Switch Crabtree and Jenkins around and that's my list. I really think Ruskell might go for the hometown kid in Mays though, I guess I only think this because of Trufant. If I remember right wasn't Trufant a "reach" at the pick when the Seahawks drafted him?
I don't really remember, but for some reason something irks me about Crabtree. It's not screaming "BUST" but he doesn't look like a future hall of famer talent, which is what Jenkins brings to the table. They really should be 1a and 1b though, since wr is a bigger need, but Jenkins is the better prospect.

Babylon
01-03-2009, 12:00 PM
Would anyone actually be mad if the Seahawks did take Orakpo if he was available? I know we just took "lojack" last year in the first but he's never going to be a "elite" pass rusher in the NFL, I also know we have Tapp but he's just to inconsistent for us. I don't really know anymore lol. I'd love for the Seahawks to draft Crabtree. I'd love if they drafted Jenkins, and I don't think I'd hate them drafting Orakpo one bit.


Problem is i think the 4 guys i had going there have a much higher grade than Orakpo. I'm still excited about Stafford being the next John Elway so that's my choice although i think he'll be gone by the Hawks pick. I know it isnt the consensus pick for Seattle fans but Wallace isnt the answer and Matt is 32 going on 40.

jballa838
01-03-2009, 12:08 PM
Problem is i think the 4 guys i had going there have a much higher grade than Orakpo. I'm still excited about Stafford being the next John Elway so that's my choice although i think he'll be gone by the Hawks pick. I know it isnt the consensus pick for Seattle fans but Wallace isnt the answer and Matt is 32 going on 40.
I see bust all over stafford. Elway was a winner and had production along with great feet and a rocket arm. Stafford has a cannon, but bad footwork and he doesn't seem like a leader. The fact that Georgia had so much talent around him and they played so awful which may have something to do with the lack of leadership. One year wonder in my eyes. Plus, we need someone to put us over the hump immediately, because most of our team is aging. picking a qb is basically throwing in the towel on our veterans, saying we are going to rebuild, not pick someone who can make an immediate impact.

Babylon
01-03-2009, 04:16 PM
I see bust all over stafford. Elway was a winner and had production along with great feet and a rocket arm. Stafford has a cannon, but bad footwork and he doesn't seem like a leader. The fact that Georgia had so much talent around him and they played so awful which may have something to do with the lack of leadership. One year wonder in my eyes. Plus, we need someone to put us over the hump immediately, because most of our team is aging. picking a qb is basically throwing in the towel on our veterans, saying we are going to rebuild, not pick someone who can make an immediate impact.

Elway was on an average team at Stanford and never went to a bowl game. I will admit his feet were some of the best ever but Stafford is a good athlete (probably a high 4.6 guy) and he's very strong. His talent has gone from really bad for two years at the WR position to really bad this year at the OL position. I'm extremely high on this guy. I think he can be great. So we disagree, big deal.

J.Hens.
01-04-2009, 01:44 PM
I am a fan of Crabtree but I truly feel that in this position we should take advantage and go another direction.

I'm not for a QB. I don't feel as if drafting a QB will impact this team next year, and I feel that we have a core group of players that are here to win now.

Branch, Kerney, Hasselbeck, Jones, J.Jones, Trufant, Tatupu, Peterson

Are all in their prime, past their prime, or getting close to their prime.

To me, when most of our money is going toward such good talent, we can't risk to draft a player that won't help us immediately. Otherwise we aren't doing justice to all the money we are spending to the players we are giving it to.

So to me, I think we have to either go Offensive Line or Safety.

Taylor Mays is my favorite player in this draft. I wouldn't mind having a Jenkins, but I think we have spent too much at corner the last few years and need to allow Wilson and Jennings to continue to develop.

Mays would give us an impact safety which is something we've lacked for awhile.


An Offensive Linemen though, at pick 4, might be the best choice considering Walter Jones' future is in question now. An OT would be able to play now, and would be able to be our tackle of the future as well.

jballa838
01-04-2009, 01:50 PM
I'm starting to like the Mays pick more and more. And I don't like Andre Smith or really a lot of the tackle prospects.

Smokey Joe
01-04-2009, 01:55 PM
Hopefully no one steals this, but in my upcoming, super awesome mock, I have Mark Sanchez going to you guys.

jballa838
01-04-2009, 02:22 PM
Hopefully no one steals this, but in my upcoming, super awesome mock, I have Mark Sanchez going to you guys.
At 4? No way man.

Smokey Joe
01-04-2009, 02:44 PM
At 4? No way man.
He's gonna rise big time. He put up great numbers this season, had a great rose bowl, and he's gonna workout and test really well.

jballa838
01-04-2009, 02:47 PM
He's gonna rise big time. He put up great numbers this season, had a great rose bowl, and he's gonna workout and test really well.
still no way man. Sanchez is not what we need. Be edgy and give us Mays.

J.Hens.
01-04-2009, 02:50 PM
Mays, Crabtree, Smith or Jenkins I say are the most likely choices.

I mean if we DO go QB, I won't be dissapointed, but I truly won't feel like we took advantage of the talent on the board as far as what we need to win now.

jballa838
01-04-2009, 02:51 PM
I'll throw my hat in disgust.

J.Hens.
01-04-2009, 02:57 PM
yeah, i hear you, i probably would too

but i guess i'd just try to be supportive, but i am with you, i don't feel like it's the right direction right now

i mean i'd be comfortable with taking a QB in the 2nd round even, try to develop them you know?

top 4 or 5 player has to play NOW imo

Smokey Joe
01-04-2009, 02:59 PM
I think you guys need a QB big time. Sure, when healthy Hasselbeck is a solid QB. However, he is going to be 34 next season, and his injuries are back and knee related, and those always linger. Also, you only have Seneca and Fyre behind him.

While you guys can compete in the NFC West, I don't see you guys turning into a legit contender for the NFC title in just one season. I think you guys need a two year plan, where in the 2009-2010 year, you're just looking to progress as a team and get into the middle of the pack.

jballa838
01-04-2009, 03:04 PM
I think you guys need a QB big time. Sure, when healthy Hasselbeck is a solid QB. However, he is going to be 34 next season, and his injuries are back and knee related, and those always linger. Also, you only have Seneca and Fyre behind him.

While you guys can compete in the NFC West, I don't see you guys turning into a legit contender for the NFC title in just one season. I think you guys need a two year plan, where in the 2009-2010 year, you're just looking to progress as a team and get into the middle of the pack.
He got back problems because of the seats on the Plane. and a two-year plan is great, if we would have any talent on the team by then. The cap hit is too large to justify it, and it basically be a kick to Hasselbeck's nuts.

J.Hens.
01-04-2009, 03:05 PM
I think you guys need a QB big time. Sure, when healthy Hasselbeck is a solid QB. However, he is going to be 34 next season, and his injuries are back and knee related, and those always linger. Also, you only have Seneca and Fyre behind him.

While you guys can compete in the NFC West, I don't see you guys turning into a legit contender for the NFC title in just one season. I think you guys need a two year plan, where in the 2009-2010 year, you're just looking to progress as a team and get into the middle of the pack.


i guess i just look at the other players we just gave big contracts too

julius jones
marcus trufant
lofa tatupu
julian peterson
patrick kerney
walter jones
hasselbeck

all these guys are making alot of money, I mean, minus Jones, everyone is probably roughly at the top financially in their position

so its like, if we treat next year as a slight rebuilding/improvement year, we are paying alot of players to play knowing they aren't trying to really compete legitimately

i mean, they just get one year older, and some of those guys we cant risk that happening

Smokey Joe
01-04-2009, 03:05 PM
Keep Hasselbeck for one more year to develop Sanchez, and then cut him prior to the 2010-2011 season.

J.Hens.
01-04-2009, 03:07 PM
He got back problems because of the seats on the Plane. and a two-year plan is great, if we would have any talent on the team by then. The cap hit is too large to justify it, and it basically be a kick to Hasselbeck's nuts.

yeah exactly

J.Hens.
01-04-2009, 03:07 PM
what about trading our 1st to the Patriots for theirs and Cassell?

i say no but i've thought about it lol.

jballa838
01-04-2009, 03:13 PM
Keep Hasselbeck for one more year to develop Sanchez, and then cut him prior to the 2010-2011 season.
What don't you understand about winning now? If we were to do that there would be no incentive for Hasselbeck to play well. And we'd be putting the last remaining years of Walter Jones and Patrick Kerney in the hands of a QB who has proved nothing in the NFL, and was a one year starter/wonder.
what about trading our 1st to the Patriots for theirs and Cassell?

i say no but i've thought about it lol.
Cassel is a UFA. . .

J.Hens.
01-04-2009, 03:17 PM
oh yeah that's right

from rumors, brady might not be good for 2009 anyways.

summond822
01-04-2009, 05:42 PM
Lojack was one of the worst picks in the history of the seahawks, so I'd like Okrapo, if the price is right. Once again, at 4 we need an "Elite" talent to be worth the money. I dont see us going QB until later, and bolstering our pass rush would be great for our team.
So my Big Board is now:
1. Jenkins
2. Crabtree
3. Okrapo
4. Mays

I really dont like Stafford or Smith, and no other prospects jump out as "Elite" like these do. Jenkins is a great cover corner, Crabtree is a great WR, and Okrapo and Mays are both game changers who can make a large impact immediately.


My list goes like this (operating under the assumption they don't resign Leroy Hill):

1. Jenkins
2. Curry
3. Taylor Mays
4. Michael Crabtree

I have to agree with what jballa said when he said there is just something about Crabtree that I just don't like. I keep trying to think positive about it, but I can't. I am starting to hate the Crabtree pick and I cannot see Ruskell going with Crabtree who only has marginal timed speed. I try to compare him to Larry Fitzgerald, but I just don't see it.

Smith and Stafford I don't actually expect to be there when the Seahawks pick, so that is why I left them out otherwise they would 3 and 4 respectively.

Mays I only see them drafting if they trade down. I am actually growing quite fond of the Mays pick if they can't get Jenkins.

As for WR being a greater need, I think we need to fix the biggest problem we had this year, a defense that returned all 11 starters and still was among the league's worst. Taking Jenkins or Mays would provide upgrades at two positions that really struggled this year, while Curry would just be a replacement to a pro-bowl caliber OLB.

I believe we can get a good WR in the second or third who has YAC ability, like a Harvin or a Derrick Williams. Maybe even take a C.J. Spiller to give them an actual change of pace back.

If they take a QB it is going to be a person who has the tangibles, but who is raw, like Josh Freeman. Any QB they take is going to be a project, so why waste a first round draft pick on one who is going to sit on the bench and get paid an insane amount of money. You don't take Top 5 picks to sit on the bench, it's too much of a financial restriction.

Edit: As for Hasselbeck being a good QB when he is healthy, thats an understatement. He is one of the top QB's in the league when he is healthy. Seneca Wallace has really impressed me this year, and I can eventually see him running this team full time. If a coach made a game plan that incorporated his running abilities into the scheme, like in roll outs and such, then he could be a really good QB.