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bored of education
12-31-2008, 01:55 PM
4.47-4.52 IMO


If he breaks 4.45 I will find him and give him a high five!

What do you think he runs?

CashmoneyDrew
12-31-2008, 01:59 PM
I think he'll wait till his pro day to run and it'll be between 4.5-4.55.

bored of education
12-31-2008, 02:11 PM
zomgz 4.10z Jordyz NEzlonzezque!

etk
12-31-2008, 02:13 PM
4.53. He's not a straight-line speed guy, but he's one of the best overall athletes at the position. Britt and Heyward-Bey might be faster but Crabtree has better overall traits with quickness, explosion, balance and smooth cuts.

Forenci
12-31-2008, 02:14 PM
Lol, BOE.

I think he'll end up running in the high 4.4's, personally. I know he's expected to run in the 4.5 range but I think he's the type of guy who has the work ethic to really train and improve his 40 time.

Matthew Jones
12-31-2008, 02:14 PM
I'll say between 4.55 and 4.60 at his Pro Day.

LonghornsLegend
12-31-2008, 02:21 PM
4.53. He's not a straight-line speed guy, but he's one of the best overall athletes at the position. Britt and Heyward-Bey might be faster but Crabtree has better overall traits with quickness, explosion, balance and smooth cuts.

I agree 100%, I think he will run a 4.48-4.52.

Babylon
12-31-2008, 02:27 PM
I'll say between 4.55 and 4.60 at his Pro Day.

That would sound right. As long as he ain't painfully slow he's a keeper. He's like a rb when he gets his hand on the ball and his speed doesnt prevent him from getting separation. If there is ever a guy where 40 times don't matter it's probably Crabtree.

RaiderNation
12-31-2008, 02:34 PM
If he declares he knows that his one weakness is his 40 time. He will train like all others to get a good one. Didnt most people say Calvin Johnson wouldnt run in the 4.3's? I think Crabtree will run a 4.39

keylime_5
12-31-2008, 02:40 PM
4.51

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SeanTaylorRIP
12-31-2008, 02:46 PM
4.49 would be my best guess.

KobeBryant833
12-31-2008, 02:47 PM
I say a 4.5 flat, but DHB will probably run 4.31 and he is this receiver of this class.

Crickett
12-31-2008, 02:52 PM
4.47-4.52 IMO

I think he'll wait till his pro day to run and it'll be between 4.5-4.55.

I'll say between 4.55 and 4.60 at his Pro Day.


If we're going to do a range here, I say he's going to run the 40 between 4 and 5 seconds.

djp
12-31-2008, 02:56 PM
4.59 -- he's not fast at all

bored of education
12-31-2008, 02:57 PM
If we're going to do a range here, I say he's going to run the 40 between 4 and 5 seconds.

i told you stop chirping

Crickett
12-31-2008, 03:04 PM
i told you stop chirping

Well I wanted to make sure I got it right this time. :rolleyes:

bored of education
12-31-2008, 03:09 PM
if he runs a 5.01 im comming for your wings crickett

TACKLE
12-31-2008, 03:11 PM
He won't run at the combine.

4.48 - Pro Day

Menardo75
12-31-2008, 03:12 PM
Some place in the high 4.4 low 4.5 range probably.

TimD
12-31-2008, 03:14 PM
slow enough so he falls to the jets? haha

BeerBaron
12-31-2008, 03:15 PM
If Matt Forte can run a 4.46 I bet Crabs can too.

If he runs above a 4.45 I'll be kind of sad because I think he could run that if he works on it.

It still shouldn't hurt him though. I think everyone knows he's not a speed receiver. Anyone remember what Fitzgerald ran? I think Crabs is the same type of prospect though 1 notch lower on the elite-ness scale.

Crickett
12-31-2008, 03:21 PM
Anyone remember what Fitzgerald ran? I think Crabs is the same type of prospect though 1 notch lower on the elite-ness scale.

His sports illustrated draft profile has Fitz listed at 4.53.

BeerBaron
12-31-2008, 03:23 PM
His sports illustrated draft profile has Fitz listed at 4.53.

Cool, thanks for finding that.

So see, its not the end of the world if a top 10 projected WR can't break 4.5.

draftguru151
12-31-2008, 03:27 PM
4.52-4-54.

foozball
12-31-2008, 03:39 PM
4.47

i think he's a better athlete than fitzy. he's a powerful runner, and he'll be able to run 4.50 or better

Paranoidmoonduck
12-31-2008, 03:46 PM
It still shouldn't hurt him though. I think everyone knows he's not a speed receiver. Anyone remember what Fitzgerald ran? I think Crabs is the same type of prospect though 1 notch lower on the elite-ness scale.

Fitz ran an electronic 4.63 at the combine. But I think Fitz was a considerably better prospect.

tjsunstein
12-31-2008, 03:49 PM
4.56

Not very fast on a straight line.

BeerBaron
12-31-2008, 03:50 PM
Fitz ran an electronic 4.63 at the combine. But I think Fitz was a considerably better prospect.

I think Fitz is just slightly bigger with a better build, and his jumping ability is pretty sick. But I do see them as similar types like I said, I just have Crabtree one notch down.

LonghornsLegend
12-31-2008, 03:55 PM
4.59 -- he's not fast at all

Lol, he's way faster then a 4.59 I'm sure of that, it's not like he's slow or anything...He does speed training with Michael Johnson at his workout facility in Dallas, I highly doubt he runs a time pushing a 4.6.

jballa838
12-31-2008, 04:07 PM
4. 43

Diehard
12-31-2008, 04:13 PM
4.5 on the nose

regoob2
12-31-2008, 05:06 PM
I'll say between 4.55 and 4.60 at his Pro Day.
That's what I was thinking. Id guess 4.57.

MidwayMonster31
12-31-2008, 05:15 PM
4.46. I think he looks more like a long-strider than he gets credit for. Long strides usually translate very well as track speed, which is what the 40 yard dash is all about.

TACKLE
12-31-2008, 05:21 PM
Here's a good physical comparison.Braylon Edwards when he came out: 6'3 210, 4.45 forty.

Physically very similar to Crabtree as a prospect but Braylon has clearly put on weight since entering the NFL.

Texas Homer
12-31-2008, 11:32 PM
I'll guess 4.4, but I don't think it matters really. I think he is a Andre Johnson clone.Man oh man, Crabtree is tough and hard to bring down.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-31-2008, 11:53 PM
I think he surprises much like CJ did and runs a low 4.4.

Iamcanadian
01-01-2009, 02:18 AM
I think he will run in the 4.55-4.60 range. He doesn't have elite speed but surprises do occur.

etk
01-01-2009, 08:32 AM
I think he surprises much like CJ did and runs a low 4.4.

CJ running a 4.35 did not surprise me at all.

Brent
01-01-2009, 11:26 AM
4.46. I think he looks more like a long-strider than he gets credit for. Long strides usually translate very well as track speed, which is what the 40 yard dash is all about.
QFT

I think with speed training and his long stride, upper 4.4's would not surprise. If he runs at Tech, it could be on Astroturf instead of the FieldTurf.

Gay Ork Wang
01-01-2009, 11:32 AM
(6.6 + 2.4)/2

Turtlepower
01-01-2009, 11:35 AM
The 40-time is such an artificial time due to training that I see him running close to a 4.42.

TheBuffaloBills
01-01-2009, 11:36 AM
4.48 forty

JFLO
01-01-2009, 04:59 PM
4.48

He'll poop on all the scouting reports and run well during the combine, especially during his Pro-Day.

tjsunstein
01-01-2009, 06:56 PM
(6.6 + 2.4)/2

4.50 even. What's the formula?

DetroitInDaHouse
01-01-2009, 07:15 PM
4.24


He cuts off Chris johnsons legs then cuts off his legs and staples them to his lower body and then surprises all the critics. All possible due to major breakthroughs in technology.

7-11
01-01-2009, 08:42 PM
4.50 even. What's the formula?

(x + y)/z = Crabtree Combine 40

x = 6.6
y = 2.4
z = 2

Known in sports science circles as the *** Ork Wang Crabtree 40 formula, truly groundbreaking stuff.

Texas Homer
01-01-2009, 09:34 PM
Is he even going to play in the bowl game tomorrow?

He's been playing on a bad ankle/foot for most of the season. He's a really tough WR, that's for sure.

PMoney18
01-01-2009, 10:26 PM
4.45-4.55. I think he will be a good pro because he is strong, has good hands, and is not afraid to go up and get it.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
01-02-2009, 12:03 AM
If he declares he knows that his one weakness is his 40 time. He will train like all others to get a good one. Didnt most people say Calvin Johnson wouldnt run in the 4.3's? I think Crabtree will run a 4.39

I'm of similar thinking. Truth is, there isn't TOO much of a difference between a 4.5 and a 4.4. If he trains his butt off with a real sprinting coach, he'll run an excellent time. Look at Leon Hall. Speed was his knock, and he breaks 4.4 at the combine. I'm gonna predict 4.42.

Crickett
01-02-2009, 12:11 AM
I'm of similar thinking. Truth is, there isn't TOO much of a difference between a 4.5 and a 4.4. If he trains his butt off with a real sprinting coach, he'll run an excellent time. Look at Leon Hall. Speed was his knock, and he breaks 4.4 at the combine. I'm gonna predict 4.42.

Ever watch that one episode of playmakers?

4.1
4.2
4.3
4.4
4.5
4.6

Thats all I have to say.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
01-02-2009, 12:40 AM
Ever watch that one episode of playmakers?

4.1
4.2
4.3
4.4
4.5
4.6

Thats all I have to say.

No, I didn't see it. I've never even heard of the show actually lol. What happened?

BamaFalcon59
01-02-2009, 12:45 AM
4.50 I would guess.

Crickett
01-02-2009, 01:01 AM
No, I didn't see it. I've never even heard of the show actually lol. What happened?

The coach showed the aging running back a clip in slow motion. I forget which tenth of a second it was, but if the player in the clip had been 1 tenth of a second slower, the defender would have tackled him.


Seriously, you never watched playmakers?

Mr. Stiller
01-02-2009, 01:07 AM
I'm of similar thinking. Truth is, there isn't TOO much of a difference between a 4.5 and a 4.4. If he trains his butt off with a real sprinting coach, he'll run an excellent time. Look at Leon Hall. Speed was his knock, and he breaks 4.4 at the combine. I'm gonna predict 4.42.

People fail to realize Agility is more a big deal.


How fast can they keep going when they change direction.

Sure a 40 time is great if they're going to do go-routes the whole time but... Frankly I'd rather have a guy who runs a 4.49 who doesn't lose speed in and out of his cuts and is ridiculously fluid than a guy who runs a 4.24 and is too stiff in and out of his cuts to sell anything.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
01-02-2009, 01:09 AM
The coach showed the aging running back a clip in slow motion. I forget which tenth of a second it was, but if the player in the clip had been 1 tenth of a second slower, the defender would have tackled him.


Seriously, you never watched playmakers?

What channel is it on? I don't get ESPN if it's on there.

Crickett
01-02-2009, 01:11 AM
What channel is it on? I don't get ESPN if it's on there.

It was on ESPN. It got cancelled after one year because the NFL thought it portrayed football in too negative if a light.

Cigaro
01-02-2009, 01:19 AM
Crabtree won't need to run. Scouts will stare in awe of his presence, making any display of his Godliness unnecessary.

DetroitInDaHouse
01-02-2009, 01:39 AM
All crabtree has to do is run a 4.8 40 and he is a lock for the first round. Hes got the size and hands and route running ability to be a successful tight end in this league think tony gonzalez

KobeBryant833
01-05-2009, 08:32 PM
All crabtree has to do is run a 4.8 40 and he is a lock for the first round. Hes got the size and hands and route running ability to be a successful tight end in this league think tony gonzalez

Haha. Whos going to take him if the Seahawks don't?

bored of education
01-05-2009, 08:35 PM
Playmakers was awesome. I am still standing by my guess!

jdcozart
01-05-2009, 11:20 PM
Playmakers was awesome. I am still standing by my guess!

4.56. I'd be shocked if he runs sub 4.45 or so. I don't see the top end speed. And Playmakers was insane!!

Bruce Banner
01-05-2009, 11:21 PM
Playmakers was awesome. I am still standing by my guess!

you guys are making me sad that playmakers was canceled.


AMAZING show.

P-L
01-05-2009, 11:51 PM
I'll say 4.49.

Monomach
01-06-2009, 12:44 AM
I have the entire season of Playmakers on DVD. That show definitely needed to have like 6 more seasons.

Thunder&Lightning
01-06-2009, 12:45 AM
im thinkn a 4.49

Iamcanadian
01-06-2009, 09:35 AM
People fail to realize Agility is more a big deal.


How fast can they keep going when they change direction.

Sure a 40 time is great if they're going to do go-routes the whole time but... Frankly I'd rather have a guy who runs a 4.49 who doesn't lose speed in and out of his cuts and is ridiculously fluid than a guy who runs a 4.24 and is too stiff in and out of his cuts to sell anything.

Agility is definitely a facet of a great WR, there is no doubt about that but if Crabtree cannot run at least a 4.50, he will be too slow to execute a separation from NFL CB's who are simply faster and have excellent agility as well. Over the last 50 years, the NFL has pretty well figured it out that if you run a slow 40, above a 4.50, your chances for success at the next level is significantly diminished. It isn't that you have no chance for success but the odds on being successful are so low that no team will touch you in the top 10.
Maybe Crabtree runs a 4.50 and the question becomes moot but if he is slower then he will fall down the draft boards of teams drafting in the top 10, maybe even the top 15.
You have to have it all to go top 10, there can be no significant weaknesses and a 40 time for a WR is enough to drop you considerably if you cannot run a 4.50 or better. Crabtree may have real success as a route runner in the NFL but if he runs a slow 40, his ability to beat NFL CB's who are just faster than he is, on deep patterns will raise enough question marks that he will fall on draft day.
The past has shown one exception to this rule. If the draft year is an extremely poor one then a slower WR might get picked higher if he has little competition for a top 10 spot. That is the only time you'll see a slow WR reach the top 10.

Brooder
01-06-2009, 12:18 PM
In high school, Crabtree was surpisingly already at 215 pounds and ran a 4.6. Now I would imagine we would run close to there but not under 4.5. At best he might run a 4.57-4.58 but realistically around 4.6. The more I look at Crabtree, the more I see Mike Williams in him. Now he wont be out of the league because Mike Williams was a ***** and never worked out and just ate all the time. Crabtree will be a possession receiver WR but that is about it. Best case scenario, think Mushin Muhammed but that is even a stretch because Mushin was taller and had a nice height advantage over the CB.

http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=1547700

katnip
01-06-2009, 01:51 PM
4.43

just watch, I know all

NY+Giants=NYG
01-06-2009, 02:56 PM
I agree 100%, I think he will run a 4.48-4.52.


Also to piggyback off of that. Coaches normally in an Air Raid system teach their Qbs on vertical stretches to under throw the ball if the CB is hip to hip, or basically not in a trail technique, or if there is a safety over the top. I believe the TD against Texas to win it was an example of this. But straight line speed is overrated, and thus the system, compensates for it, as well as the players athletic ability.

bitonti
01-06-2009, 04:36 PM
Crabtree's running at Indy? who says?

zepplant
01-06-2009, 05:49 PM
In high school, Crabtree was surpisingly already at 215 pounds and ran a 4.6. Now I would imagine we would run close to there but not under 4.5. At best he might run a 4.57-4.58 but realistically around 4.6. The more I look at Crabtree, the more I see Mike Williams in him. Now he wont be out of the league because Mike Williams was a ***** and never worked out and just ate all the time. Crabtree will be a possession receiver WR but that is about it. Best case scenario, think Mushin Muhammed but that is even a stretch because Mushin was taller and had a nice height advantage over the CB.

http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=1547700

if you hit that link it shows scout only gave Crabtree a two star rating going into TT- hope no one wastes money on their garbage....

DetroitFalcons
01-06-2009, 06:31 PM
I hope its 4.6+ so then my Lions won't be tempted to take him. :)

sweetness34
01-06-2009, 09:07 PM
I think if he runs anything under than 4.45 he's gonna sky rocket. We all know he has great hands, he runs good routes, he has great body control...but if he can show that he has some top end speed a team will take him high I think.

I love him as a prospect and I hope he runs slow so the Bears can get a chance to get him.

Crickett
01-06-2009, 09:59 PM
I hope its 4.6+ so then my Lions won't be tempted to take him. :)

Why? So they can draft Jeremy Maclin instead? :D

no love
01-06-2009, 10:48 PM
Agility is definitely a facet of a great WR, there is no doubt about that but if Crabtree cannot run at least a 4.50, he will be too slow to execute a separation from NFL CB's who are simply faster and have excellent agility as well. Over the last 50 years, the NFL has pretty well figured it out that if you run a slow 40, above a 4.50, your chances for success at the next level is significantly diminished.


Jerry Rice (4.6), Anquan Boldin (4.7), Wes Welker (4.6) and others like Carter, Largent, Fitzgerald, prove that there is plenty more to the position than a 40 tim.

“Scouting is two parts science, one part art...The science part everybody gets — height, weight, speed, and so on and so forth. But the one part that is always hard to measure is the art, and that has to do with competitiveness, heart, and knowledge of the game. That’s the piece of the puzzle that everybody wishes was a science but it’s really not.” - STEVE LARGENT HOF WR

DetroitFalcons
01-09-2009, 09:39 AM
Why? So they can draft Jeremy Maclin instead? :D

Aargh! I guess you might as well put the bullet in the chamber for me. LMAO

Iamcanadian
01-09-2009, 10:02 AM
Jerry Rice (4.6), Anquan Boldin (4.7), Wes Welker (4.6) and others like Carter, Largent, Fitzgerald, prove that there is plenty more to the position than a 40 tim.

“Scouting is two parts science, one part art...The science part everybody gets — height, weight, speed, and so on and so forth. But the one part that is always hard to measure is the art, and that has to do with competitiveness, heart, and knowledge of the game. That’s the piece of the puzzle that everybody wishes was a science but it’s really not.” - STEVE LARGENT HOF WR

Your 1st 2 are way off. I read an article by Gil Brandt who wanted the Cowboys to draft Rice after he timed him at 4.40 at the combine. After more than 10 years in the league he may have slowed down some but when he was drafted he ran a 4.40.
Next comes Anquan Bolden who ran a 4.60 at the combine. However he was recovering from leg surgery at the time and walked with a noticable limp. He just ran to show scouts he was healing nicely. Healthy, he runs in the 4.45 range maybe even faster.
The 3rd one is Fitz who did run a 4.60 at the combine but showed at his pro day that he could run faster by posting a 4.48 and a 4.53.
It always amazes me how people hear a rumor and and never check out the facts.
Sure Carter, Walker and Largent were successful slow 40 men although Walker may have increased his speed since entering the league. Gee a grand total of 3 in the last 20 years. I can think of maybe 2 more but that is where it ends. Pro GM's aren't stupiod. They can see the odds for success for slow WR's and it isn't pretty.
Of course there is more than a good 40 time to playing WR in the NFL, nobody denies that and Crabtree has most of those qualities but unless he can show scouts he has at least 4.50 speed, it is very doubtful he gets picked in the top 10. Of course there are bad GM's out there so it is always possible but no GM worth his salt will touch Crabtree top 10 unless he runs pretty close to a 4.50 or better.

SKim172
01-09-2009, 05:59 PM
If the GMs were worth their salt, they wouldn't be drafting in the top 10.

I say 4.48 and that he doesn't run at the combine. I'd estimate at least five receivers will run better times and at least one will be fast enough that before Crabtree's pro workout, people will be considering that guy above Crabtree. The sub-4.5 will be enough to put Crabtree back as the #1 receiver, but there will be doubters.

Not a Calvin Johnson situation.

I'm gonna guess it'll be Heyward-Bey that cracks out some super-fast time.

AtariBigby
01-10-2009, 10:10 AM
I live in Texas and am a big TT fan. I love the Raiders.

But am I the only one who would not want to use a top-5 pick on Crabtree?

I see good skills in him, good size, etc. But I surely don't see "special" in him. He's not in the league of Calvin Johnson.

I've seen too many WR's way overvalued over the years go in the top 5 or 10 and be busts.

Guys like Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall, Terrell Owens, etc... those guys are special and none were even top-10 picks.
I doubt Crabtree does better than Dwayne Bowe does in the NFL. So top 3, top 4 pick? I wouldn't. KC would be a good situation for him though with a decent young QB, opposite Bowe, Gonzalez still going strong, Jamaal Charles... they should be cashing in Larry Johnson (but who wants him?).....

hagy34
01-10-2009, 10:13 AM
I'll take a stab. How about 4.56? He'll run similar to Fitzgerald in my mind.

nyqua
01-10-2009, 10:23 AM
4.52

Hell he could run a 4.91 and he should still go in the first round.

jCut
01-10-2009, 11:44 AM
I think Brandon Marshall ran something like a 4.54, and I think that's about where Crabtree will be.

croflash
01-10-2009, 11:51 AM
4.54

Also depends on how much of an impact the injury is going to have and whether they are going to use it as an explanation for any time he runs at the TT Pro Day.

Spleen
01-11-2009, 01:24 AM
I remembered Rice's 40 time being incredibly slow.... Looked through any/all info about Rice's 40 time, ALL have his 40 time listed at 4.60 to 4.71. That is why he dropped in the draft. (Link (http://www.neilcornrich.com/2006_02_01_archive.html))

Would love to read the Gil Brandt article. I knew the Cowboys were very interested in Rice, and that is why the 49ers paid such a steep price to jump them in the draft order.

Your 1st 2 are way off. I read an article by Gil Brandt who wanted the Cowboys to draft Rice after he timed him at 4.40 at the combine. After more than 10 years in the league he may have slowed down some but when he was drafted he ran a 4.40.
Next comes Anquan Bolden who ran a 4.60 at the combine. However he was recovering from leg surgery at the time and walked with a noticable limp. He just ran to show scouts he was healing nicely. Healthy, he runs in the 4.45 range maybe even faster.
The 3rd one is Fitz who did run a 4.60 at the combine but showed at his pro day that he could run faster by posting a 4.48 and a 4.53.
It always amazes me how people hear a rumor and and never check out the facts.
Sure Carter, Walker and Largent were successful slow 40 men although Walker may have increased his speed since entering the league. Gee a grand total of 3 in the last 20 years. I can think of maybe 2 more but that is where it ends. Pro GM's aren't stupiod. They can see the odds for success for slow WR's and it isn't pretty.
Of course there is more than a good 40 time to playing WR in the NFL, nobody denies that and Crabtree has most of those qualities but unless he can show scouts he has at least 4.50 speed, it is very doubtful he gets picked in the top 10. Of course there are bad GM's out there so it is always possible but no GM worth his salt will touch Crabtree top 10 unless he runs pretty close to a 4.50 or better.

Iamcanadian
01-11-2009, 12:52 PM
I remembered Rice's 40 time being incredibly slow.... Looked through any/all info about Rice's 40 time, ALL have his 40 time listed at 4.60 to 4.71. That is why he dropped in the draft. (Link (http://www.neilcornrich.com/2006_02_01_archive.html))

Would love to read the Gil Brandt article. I knew the Cowboys were very interested in Rice, and that is why the 49ers paid such a steep price to jump them in the draft order.


Glad to provide you with the statement:





Rice was special before he was drafted



By Gil Brandt





(June 1, 2005) -- The 1985 NFL Draft was held on April 30, and on that day I was in my office in Dallas prepared to add a new member to our team. One of the players I was hoping to select was a wide receiver out of little-known Mississippi Valley State by the name of Jerry Rice. We had the 17th pick, and using it on him was certainly a possibility.

The draft began with Buffalo picking first and taking Bruce Smith, followed by Atlanta taking Bill Fralic. There was only one wide receiver taken in the first 10 picks, and it was Al Toon going to the New York Jets. Things were looking good.
Houston, San Diego, Cincinnati, Buffalo and Kansas City all made their picks, and none of them were Rice. I remember getting excited as I hoped to catch the steal of the draft with our selection. New England came up on pick No. 16, and I sure didn't figure them to take a wide receiver since they took Irving Fryar the year before.
And then I heard the words that haunted me for a long, long time: "There has been a trade involving this pick, and San Francisco is now on the clock."
The Patriots got San Francisco's first-, second- and third-round picks for pick No. 16. Moments later, Rice was selected and was on his way to Northern California. Had the 49ers not traded up or taken someone else, Rice would have probably been our choice.
Now Rice, at the young age of 42, has signed on with the Denver Broncos and is still planning on playing 20 years later. I thought I would look back at our notes from when we scouted Rice back when he was in college and see what was accurate and what wasn't.
The first thing you may not have known about Rice is that in college, his nickname was "World," because according to his coaches and teammates he could catch anything in the world.
As is the case today, Rice was in great physical shape. According to the report, he had a "very big, strong pair of hands, long arms, tapered body, a well-developed upper body and arms." It did cite his lower legs for needing some development, but he had plenty of "natural strength."


Jerry Rice continues to play the game of football 20 years after his drafting.
****In the 40-yard dash he ran in the 4.4 range, which is excellent. Even with that good of a number, the report felt that Rice, "Plays better and runs better in game and on practice field than his 40 time. He has pro speed."
Equally impressive was his character. He had a "family that worked hard for everything," read the document. He was labeled as mature, soft spoken and respectful. I'd say that was correct.
So were there any negatives? There seemed to be a focus on his blocking that concerned the scouts. "He will not make an effort to cut or even push block," said the report. It also said Rice prefered to work along the right sideline and would need work on running patterns and reading the coverage. I'm pretty sure he's improved in all of these areas.
Also, he wore leather gloves until our scout asked him why he did. Since then, he didn't wear gloves. Maybe it helped his game.
When rating Rice on a scale of 1 to 9, with 9 being the highest and 3 being average, he scored 6s, 7s and 8s in character, competitiveness, strength and explosion, speed, short-yardage receiving, running ability after the catch, catching in a crowd and of course hands. Why no 9s? Because for some reason, we never gave out any 9s. We probably should have had the scale go from 1 to 8. And as you may expect, his worst grade came in blocking, a 3.
Our summary read as follows: "He could be a starter in this league in his second season for a contender. ... He has consistently been productive and durable in the past two seasons. He can be the type of player to play for a team in the NFL for a long time. The more I talk to him the more I am impressed with his character. *****He has big-play ability."
Sounds like Rice, doesn't it?

It says "he ran in the 4.4 range with big play ability" and back then, prospects didn't train for the combine like they do today, where they practice for a month leading up to the event. He likely would have run in the 4.3 range if he had trained and run on the fast track, the combine uses today. Remember back then the old combine track had a reputation for being a slow track, the new one is much faster.
Think about it, Rice played for Mississippi Valley St. hardly a football factory and there is no way a slow WR from that college playing in a weak conference was going to get picked in round 1 unless he demonstrated at the combine that he had excellent speed.

Flyboy
01-11-2009, 12:56 PM
I live in Texas and am a big TT fan. I love the Raiders.

I'm actually from Lubbock so I'm probably the biggest Crabtree fan on the boards. With that said, I think anywhere from #10 - #15 is probably better value from him. I still think he should be the first WR taken, though.

Crickett
01-11-2009, 03:17 PM
I really wish people would stop comparing receivers to Jerry Rice. On that documentary about the draft (Two days in April), someone compared Derek Hagan to Jerry Rice.


Derek f'n Hagan.

Spleen
01-11-2009, 05:34 PM
Thank you - great article!