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Sniper
01-01-2009, 09:04 AM
Thoughts?

Mine...

QB- Eli Manning, Giants
RB- Brandon Jacobs, Giants
RB- Clinton Portis, Redskins
FB- Madison Hedgecock, Giants
WR1- Terrell Owens, Cowboys
WR2- DeSean Jackson, Eagles
TE- Jason Witten, Cowboys
LT- Tra Thomas, Eagles
LG- Leonard Davis, Cowboys
C- Andre Gurode, Cowboys
RG- Chris Snee, Giants
RT- David Diehl, Giants

For the OL, I just tried to get the best OL regardless of official position. That's why Diehl is at RT.

4-3 defense

DE- Justin Tuck, Giants
DT- Brodrick Bunkley, Eagles
DT- Jay Ratliff, Cowboys
DE- Darren Howard, Eagles
LB- DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys (The man can play wherever the hell he wants)
LB- London Fletcher, Redskins
LB- Stewart Bradley, Eagles (I'm a homer. Sue me)
CB- Sheldon Brown, Eagles
FS- LaRon Landry, Redskins
SS- Quintin Mikell, Eagles
CB- Corey Webster, Giants

PR- DeSean Jackson, Eagles
KR- Quintin Demps, Eagles

Probably too many Eagles for you guys, but let's see yours.

Number 10
01-01-2009, 11:32 AM
QB - Tony Romo - Cowboys
RB - Brandon Jacobs - Giants
FB - Madison Hedgecock - Giants
WR - Terrell Owens - Cowboys
WR - Santana Moss - Redskins
TE - Jason Witten - Cowboys
LT - Tra Thomas - Eagles
LG - Todd Herremans - Eagles
C - Shaun O'Hara - Giants
RG - Chris Snee - Giants
RT - Marc Columbo - Cowboys


DE - Justin Tuck - Giants
DE - Trent Cole - Eagles
DT - Jay Ratliff - Cowboys
DT - Fred Robbins - Giants
OLB - DeMarcus Ware - Cowboys
MLB - London Fletcher - Redskins
OLB - Rocky McIntosh - Redskins
CB - Sheldon Brown - Eagles
CB - Corey Webster - Giants
S - Chris Horton - Redskins
S - Laron Landry - Redskins

Sniper
01-01-2009, 11:33 AM
There's no way in hell Horton was better than Mikell.

Number 10
01-01-2009, 01:57 PM
There's no way in hell Horton was better than Mikell.

I disagree.

But I'm not getting into a discussion about it with someone that thinks Darren Howard was the 2nd best DE in the NFC East.

Sniper
01-04-2009, 04:25 PM
I disagree.

Quintin Mikell

93 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF, 3 INT, 9 PD

Chris Horton

76 tackles, 1 sack, 0 FF, 3 INT, 5 PD

I could definitely see how Horton was better. :rolleyes:

But I'm not getting into a discussion about it with someone that thinks Darren Howard was the 2nd best DE in the NFC East.

He wasn't. I was being a major homer.

Number 10
01-04-2009, 06:40 PM
Sniper-

Horton - 10 games started.

Mikell - 16 games started.

Ouch!

SeanTaylorRIP
01-11-2009, 10:02 AM
To me Brandon Jacbos over Portis is laughable considering you put Ward or Bradshaw in there, there is little drop off and IMO with Ward even greater gain because he finds holes faster, but put Betts or Cartwright behind that Skins awful O-line and you would be happy to get a positive gain. Also Portis is on the field every down even on third down as a pass blocker and receiver. Brandon Jacobs is always taken out on 3rd downs because he is a hideous receiver. IMO first team has to go to a complete back.

And yeah I love Hort but him over Mikell is crazy, and I am a skins homer.

Sniper
01-11-2009, 10:05 AM
Sniper-

Horton - 10 games started.

Mikell - 16 games started.

Ouch!

Number 10,

I must have missed Horton's name on the All-Pro list. I didn't miss Mikell's though.

SeanTaylorRIP
01-11-2009, 10:38 AM
Number 10,

I must have missed Horton's name on the All-Pro list. I didn't miss Mikell's though.

Lol, I also saw Jason Peters name on that All pro list, haha but yeah this season Mikell was a far superior player to Horton.

desean4prez
01-14-2009, 03:35 PM
I can understand why you would put webster up as the 2nd cb, but I would still take asante over corey webster. moreover, eli as the best qb is a joke. i think I would take all three over east qb's over him. yes mcnabb was streaky, but he is by far the better passer. jason campbell may not be the flashiest qb but he is consistent and efficient. and finally romo consistently puts up good numbers despite (much to my enjoyment) his penchant for choking when it matters. eli has the luxury of having a phenomenal offensive line and a trio of running backs which forces opposing defenses to put an extra man in the box.

twista6002
01-16-2009, 01:20 AM
QB - Eli Manning
FB - Madison Hedgecok
RB - Clinton Portis
WR - Terrell Owens
WR - Plaxico Burress
TE - Jason Witten
LT - Tra Thomas
LG - Leonard Davis
C - Shaun O'Hara
RG - Chris Snee
RT - Kareem McKenzie

LE - Justin Tuck
DT - Jay Ratliff
DT - Fred Robbins
RE - Trent Cole
SLB - Bradie James (I know that's not his true position but I think he'd be better there than anyone else in the division)
MLB - London Fletcher
WLB - DeMarcus Ware
CB - Corey Webster
SS - Quintin Mikell
FS - Brian Dawkins (say what you want about Landry being better but this guy was the heart and soul of this team the last few weeks)
CB - Sheldon Brown

KR - Quintin Demps
PR - DeSean Jackson

twista6002
01-16-2009, 01:24 AM
Sniper-

Horton - 10 games started.

Mikell - 16 games started.

Ouch!

Yeah but Chris Horton still played throughout in the majority of the games he didn't start. And I uber doubt Horton is anywhere near as instrumental in stuffing the run as Mikell is. Not to say Horton is bad, but he wasn't on Mikell's level this season.

Crickett
01-16-2009, 01:59 AM
Mine...

QB- Eli Manning, Giants
RB- Brandon Jacobs, Giants
RB- Clinton Portis, Redskins
FB- Madison Hedgecock, Giants
WR1- Terrell Owens, Cowboys
WR2- Santana Moss, Redskins
TE1 - Jason Witten, Cowboys
TE2 - Kevin Boss, Giants
LT- Chris Samuels, Redskins
LG- David Diehl - Giants - Didn't play LG, but he used to.
C- Andre Gurode, Cowboys
RG- Leonard Davis, Cowboys
RT- Kareem McKenzie, Giants


4-3 defense

LDE- Justin Tuck, Giants
DT- Brodrick Bunkley, Eagles
DT- Jay Ratliff, Cowboys
RDE- Trent Cole, Eagles
LB- DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys
LB- London Fletcher, Redskins
LB- Bradie James, Cowboys - Because of a lack of quality alternate options.
CB- Asante Samuel, Eagles
FS- LaRon Landry, Redskins
SS- Quintin Mikell, Eagles
CB- Corey Webster, Giants
CB - Terrence Newman, Cowboys

KR -
PR - DeSean Jackson, Eagles
KR - Quintin Demps, Eagles

twista6002
01-16-2009, 02:09 AM
^LOL Asante Samuel wasn't even the best corner on his team this season. If you look at yards allowed per attempt and completion % allowed, Sheldon was day and night better.

Crickett
01-16-2009, 02:14 AM
^LOL Asante Samuel wasn't even the best corner on his team this season. If you look at yards allowed per attempt and completion % allowed, Sheldon was day and night better.

And if I knew where to find those particular statistics, I probably would have looked at them.

Sniper
01-16-2009, 05:52 AM
And if I knew where to find those particular statistics, I probably would have looked at them.

You could have just listened to me. :D I've been driving the Sheldon Brown bandwagon all year.

Twista, you got a link for those stats? I'm interested in seeing them.

twista6002
01-17-2009, 12:23 AM
And if I knew where to find those particular statistics, I probably would have looked at them.

I got YPA, TD allowed, completion % allowed, but it's kind of from a rival site. All you need to know is that only 2 other CB in the NFL (Asomonga, Revis) allowed less YPA than Sheldon Brown. Samuel was about 20th.

RedskinNation
01-27-2009, 03:54 PM
QB - Donavan McNabb/Eagles
RB - Brandon Jacobs/Giants
FB - Madison Hedgecock/Giants
WR - Terrell Owens/Cowboys
WR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles
TE - Chris Cooley/Redskins
LT - Chris Samuels/Redskins
LG - Pete Kendall/Redskins
C - Shaun O'Hara/Giants
RG - Chris Snee/Giants
RT - Kareem McKenzie/Giants

DE - Justin Tuck/Giants
DT - Fred Robbins/Giants
DT - Jay Ratliff/Cowboys
DE - Trent Cole/Eagles
OLB - Greg Ellis/Cowboys
MLB - London Fletcher/Redskins
OLB - DeMarcus Ware/Cowboys
CB - Asante Samuel/Eagles
CB - Sheldon Brown/Eagles
FS - Brian Dawkins/Eagles
SS - Chris Horton/Redskins

K - John Carney/Giants
P - Jeff Feagles/Giants
KR - Quintin Demps/Eagles
PR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles

twista6002
01-31-2009, 09:13 PM
QB - Donavan McNabb/Eagles
RB - Brandon Jacobs/Giants
FB - Madison Hedgecock/Giants
WR - Terrell Owens/Cowboys
WR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles
TE - Chris Cooley/Redskins
LT - Chris Samuels/Redskins
LG - Pete Kendall/Redskins
C - Shaun O'Hara/Giants
RG - Chris Snee/Giants
RT - Kareem McKenzie/Giants

DE - Justin Tuck/Giants
DT - Fred Robbins/Giants
DT - Jay Ratliff/Cowboys
DE - Trent Cole/Eagles
OLB - Greg Ellis/Cowboys
MLB - London Fletcher/Redskins
OLB - DeMarcus Ware/Cowboys
CB - Asante Samuel/Eagles
CB - Sheldon Brown/Eagles
FS - Brian Dawkins/Eagles
SS - Chris Horton/Redskins

K - John Carney/Giants
P - Jeff Feagles/Giants
KR - Quintin Demps/Eagles
PR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles

I would put Tra Thomas over Chris Samuels, Rich Seubert over Pete Kendall, Ellis wouldn't be pretty an an OLB in a 4-3, Chris Horton is a shell of Quintin Mikell, and Akers had a better year than Carney.

NYGibril28
01-31-2009, 09:32 PM
QB - Tony Romo, DAL
RB - Clinton Portis, WAS
RB - Brandon Jacobs, NYG
FB - Madison Hedgecock, NYG
WR - Terrell Owens, DAL
WR - Santana Moss, WAS
TE - Jason Witten, DAL
LT - Tra Thomas, PHI
LG - Leonard Davis, DAL
C - Shaun O'Hara, NYG
RG - Chris Snee, NYG
RT - Kareem McKenzie, NYG

DE - Justin Tuck, NYG
DT - Brodrick Bunkley, PHI
DT - Fred Robbins, NYG
DE - Trent Cole, PHI
LB - Demarcus Ware, DAL
LB - Bradie James, DAL
LB - London Fletcher, WAS
CB - Corey Webster, NYG
S - LaRon Landry, WAS
S - Quintin Mikell, PHI
CB - Sheldon Brown, PHI

K - John Carney, NYG
P - Jeff Feagles, NYG

giantsfan
01-31-2009, 10:31 PM
QB - Donavan McNabb/Eagles
RB - Brandon Jacobs/Giants
FB - Madison Hedgecock/Giants
WR - Terrell Owens/Cowboys
WR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles
TE - Chris Cooley/Redskins
LT - Chris Samuels/Redskins
LG - Pete Kendall/Redskins
C - Shaun O'Hara/Giants
RG - Chris Snee/Giants
RT - Kareem McKenzie/Giants

DE - Justin Tuck/Giants
DT - Fred Robbins/Giants
DT - Jay Ratliff/Cowboys
DE - Trent Cole/Eagles
OLB - Greg Ellis/Cowboys
MLB - London Fletcher/Redskins
OLB - DeMarcus Ware/Cowboys
CB - Asante Samuel/Eagles
CB - Sheldon Brown/Eagles
FS - Brian Dawkins/Eagles
SS - Chris Horton/Redskins

K - John Carney/Giants
P - Jeff Feagles/Giants
KR - Quintin Demps/Eagles
PR - DeSean Jackson/Eagles

Webster is a better and more productive corner than Asante Samuel...at least he was this year...

twista6002
02-01-2009, 05:16 PM
QB - Tony Romo, DAL
RB - Clinton Portis, WAS
RB - Brandon Jacobs, NYG
FB - Madison Hedgecock, NYG
WR - Terrell Owens, DAL
WR - Santana Moss, WAS
TE - Jason Witten, DAL
LT - Tra Thomas, PHI
LG - Leonard Davis, DAL
C - Shaun O'Hara, NYG
RG - Chris Snee, NYG
RT - Kareem McKenzie, NYG

DE - Justin Tuck, NYG
DT - Brodrick Bunkley, PHI
DT - Fred Robbins, NYG
DE - Trent Cole, PHI
LB - Demarcus Ware, DAL
LB - Bradie James, DAL
LB - London Fletcher, WAS
CB - Corey Webster, NYG
S - LaRon Landry, WAS
S - Quintin Mikell, PHI
CB - Sheldon Brown, PHI

K - John Carney, NYG
P - Jeff Feagles, NYG

It's perfect except for Romo as QB.

Freezer Boy
02-05-2009, 01:13 PM
QB- Eli Manning- Giants
RB- Brandon Jacobs- Giants
RB- Clinton Portis- Redskins
FB- Madison Hedgecock- Giants
WR- Terrell Owens- Cowboys
WR- Desean Jackson- Eagles
TE- Jason Witten- Cowboys
LT- Tra Thomas- Eagles
LG- Leonard Davis- Cowboys
C- Shaun O'Hara- Giants
RG- Chris Snee- Giants
RT- Kareem McKenzie- Giants

DE- Justin Tuck- Giants
DT- Fred Robbins- Giants
DT- Jay Ratliff- Cowboys
DE- Trent Cole- Eagles
OLB- Demarcus Ware- Cowboys
ILB- London Fletcher- Redskins
OLB- Bradie James- Cowboys
CB- Corey Webster- Giants
FS- LaRon Landry- Redskins
SS- Quintin Mikell- Eagles
CB- Asante Samuel- Eagles

K- John Carney- Giants
P- Jeff Feagles- Giants
RET- Desean Jackson- Eagles

twista6002
02-05-2009, 10:22 PM
QB- Eli Manning- Giants
RB- Brandon Jacobs- Giants
RB- Clinton Portis- Redskins
FB- Madison Hedgecock- Giants
WR- Terrell Owens- Cowboys
WR- Desean Jackson- Eagles
TE- Jason Witten- Cowboys
LT- Tra Thomas- Eagles
LG- Leonard Davis- Cowboys
C- Shaun O'Hara- Giants
RG- Chris Snee- Giants
RT- Kareem McKenzie- Giants

DE- Justin Tuck- Giants
DT- Fred Robbins- Giants
DT- Jay Ratliff- Cowboys
DE- Trent Cole- Eagles
OLB- Demarcus Ware- Cowboys
ILB- London Fletcher- Redskins
OLB- Bradie James- Cowboys
CB- Corey Webster- Giants
FS- LaRon Landry- Redskins
SS- Quintin Mikell- Eagles
CB- Asante Samuel- Eagles

K- John Carney- Giants
P- Jeff Feagles- Giants
RET- Desean Jackson- Eagles

Pssst....there are only supposed to be 11 guys on offense ;)

Asante Samuel isn't even the best corner on his team, I'd put Sheldon Brown in his spot. And I'd rather have Akers than Carney.

Sniper
03-03-2009, 09:47 AM
And I'd rather have Akers than Carney.

Akers- 33/40, 82.5%
Carney- 35/38, 92.1%

twista6002
03-03-2009, 10:42 PM
Akers- 33/40, 82.5%
Carney- 35/38, 92.1%

I'll take a guy that can make a moderate distance field goal in the playoffs.

scottyboy
03-03-2009, 10:58 PM
my turn!

QB: Eli
RB: ****, gimme Portis, Westy and Jacobs please! I can't choose here. ****.
FB: Bushpenis
WR: Plaxico
WR: Santana
TE: Witten
LT: Samuels
LG: Davis
C: O'Hara
RG: Snee
RT: McKenzie

DEFENSE:
LDE: Tuck
DT: Robbins
DT: Bunkley
RDE: Osi
OLB: Boley
MLB: Fletcher
OLB: D-Ware
CB: Webster
CB: Brown
S: Landry
S: Phillips

K: Carney
P: Jeff Almighty Feagles.

fire away

Sniper
03-04-2009, 07:18 AM
RDE: Osi
OLB: Boley


It's for 2008, scotty. As in this past year.

twista6002
03-04-2009, 01:13 PM
my turn!

QB: Eli
RB: ****, gimme Portis, Westy and Jacobs please! I can't choose here. ****.
FB: Bushpenis
WR: Plaxico
WR: Santana
TE: Witten
LT: Samuels
LG: Davis
C: O'Hara
RG: Snee
RT: McKenzie

DEFENSE:
LDE: Tuck
DT: Robbins
DT: Bunkley
RDE: Osi
OLB: Boley
MLB: Fletcher
OLB: D-Ware
CB: Webster
CB: Brown
S: Landry
S: Phillips

K: Carney
P: Jeff Almighty Feagles.

fire away

You'd take Samuels over Tra Thomas, and Osi over Cole? Kenny Phillips over Quintin Mikell = LOL

Malaka
03-04-2009, 03:22 PM
Cole over Osi = Roflcopter

twista6002
03-04-2009, 06:56 PM
Cole over Osi = Roflcopter

Outside of 1 game in 2007 against arguably the NFL's worst backup, Osi had 7 sacks. That would mean he has 34.5 sacks since becoming a starter in 2004, 4 years, 58 games not including the Winston Justice game. Trent Cole has that many sacks in his career despite coming into the league in 2005 (63 games). So maybe, if an end's sole purpose was to get sacks, Osi would be better. But Cole has more negative plays (tackles for loss + sacks) in that time span. Cole is much better at defending the run, and he's nearly just as good at rushing the passer, and he's done all this despite not having guys like Tuck and Strahan around him.

scottyboy
03-04-2009, 06:58 PM
It's for 2008, scotty. As in this past year.

I'll pick whatever damn year I want!!!

and like, eww. The NFC East has some weakass OLBs, weird.

and I'm taking a hurt Osi over anyone and you can't stop me

scottyboy
03-04-2009, 07:00 PM
You'd take Samuels over Tra Thomas, and Osi over Cole? Kenny Phillips over Quintin Mikell = LOL

tra thomas=old.

osi>>>cole.

Phillips went to "Da U".

I also put mine for the upcoming year, hence the Boley. Except Carney, he was too awesome last year to not put up.

you=fail.

good day sir.

twista6002
03-04-2009, 07:15 PM
tra thomas=old.

osi>>>cole.

Phillips went to "Da U".

I also put mine for the upcoming year, hence the Boley. Except Carney, he was too awesome last year to not put up.

you=fail.

good day sir.

Tra Thomas still had a better year than Samuels.

Refer to above post for the Osi v Cole explanation

Jermome McDougle and William Joseph went to "Da U", doesn't make them good

scottyboy
03-04-2009, 07:18 PM
Tra Thomas still had a better year than Samuels.

Refer to above post for the Osi v Cole explanation

Jermome McDougle and William Joseph went to "Da U", doesn't make them good

it's a wash, I really dont give a **** between the 2 of them. If you really need Tra up there to feel good, then be my guest, make it Tra in your mind. I really could just put Diehl and be awesome,

Osi is, and always will be, better than Cole. dont give me that ******** one game excuse. He tore Justice a new asshole, proceeded to then get doubled and help from backs and TE's. god, i'm sick of that ****** argument.

and but Phillips is actually good, add in the "U" factor, and that puts him ahead of Mikell. simple math really

twista6002
03-04-2009, 07:27 PM
it's a wash, I really dont give a **** between the 2 of them. If you really need Tra up there to feel good, then be my guest, make it Tra in your mind. I really could just put Diehl and be awesome,

Osi is, and always will be, better than Cole. dont give me that ******** one game excuse. He tore Justice a new asshole, proceeded to then get doubled and help from backs and TE's. god, i'm sick of that ****** argument.

and but Phillips is actually good, add in the "U" factor, and that puts him ahead of Mikell. simple math really

What game were you watching? Reid left Justice all alone with Osi. Every analyst was pointing it out too, I know I wasn't the only one who said anything. And besides, Cole still makes more negative plays and tackles than Osi, despite not having guys like Tuck and Strahan around him. One could only fathom how Cole would do if he had those kinds of guys around him.

A lot of people thought McDougle was good too. Until I see it on the field, Mikell is better than Phillips.

Mr. Hero
03-16-2009, 08:01 PM
Outside of 1 game in 2007 against arguably the NFL's worst backup, Osi had 7 sacks. That would mean he has 34.5 sacks since becoming a starter in 2004, 4 years, 58 games not including the Winston Justice game. Trent Cole has that many sacks in his career despite coming into the league in 2005 (63 games). So maybe, if an end's sole purpose was to get sacks, Osi would be better. But Cole has more negative plays (tackles for loss + sacks) in that time span. Cole is much better at defending the run, and he's nearly just as good at rushing the passer, and he's done all this despite not having guys like Tuck and Strahan around him.

You're out of your damn mind, Cole is a top ten DE in this league and a tremendous penetrator but saying he's better against the run is just not true. Osi's one of the only ends I've seen in this league who was able to not just get the best of Walter Jones in his prime as a pass rusher, but also manhandle him as a run stuffer, he's not tuck, but he's not much less effective than tuck against the run. And don't use the strong DL excuse for osi's play, those additional pass rushers hurt his numbers and cole has played with much better DTs throughout his career and has always had a better secondary, although we're closing the gap with Dawk moving on, webster coming into his own and Kenny P and Terrell Thomas looking like future studs.

BaLLiN
03-31-2009, 04:50 PM
Stats do not tell the story. end of story.

2008

QB: If Donovan had a decent #1 id put him here but his whining and biotching has gotten him the boot.
ELI MANNING NYG

RB: Id like to say westbrook but hes on the decline, Clinton Portis is the best all around back in our division WAS

RB2: Brandon Jacobs, he is working to be an all around back, he has had two 1,000+ yard seasons despite sharing carries and not playing full seasons. NYG

RB3(scatback):Westbrook/Felix Jones okay its between these two, westbrook should have it but Jones looks pretty nasty. Ill give it to Westbrook because he's produced already, and Jones is not really proven. PHI

FB: Madison Hedgecock (yes Bushpenis) as a all around but Deion Anderson is a better runner and recieving threat. NYG

WR1: Plaxico Burress he played all world in the superbowl run, he just had to ruin a back to back. NYG

WR2:Santanna Moss is amazing WAS

WR3: Desean JaXon is a twig PHI

TE: Jason Witten DAL
TE2: Chris Cooley WAS

LT:Chris Samuels WAS
LG:Leonard Davis DAL
C:Shaun Ohara NYG
RG: Chris Snee NYG
RT:McKenzie NYG

DE:Justin Tuck NYG
DE: Trent Cole PHI
DT: broderick Bunkley PHI
DT: Fred Robbins NYG

OLB (3-4): Demarcus Ware DAL
MLB: London Fletcher WAS
OLB: ?
CB: Corey Webster NYG
CB: (brown got messed up in playoffs) T-NEW DAL
S: LARON LANDRY WAS
S: Phillips (we didnt have a vet playing with him bc James butler doesnt count so no Mikell although he played very well, phillips was a monster tackler) NYG

K:Carney
P:Feagles

KR: Demps/Jackson
PR:Demps/Jackson