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Axl Rose
01-04-2009, 10:48 PM
Whats everyones opinion?

energizerbunny
01-04-2009, 10:49 PM
I'm not sure what you consider a bust, but Southern Cal has produced alot of pro players of recent that have not lived up to their billings as prospects.

Monomach
01-04-2009, 10:53 PM
Florida Quarterbacks.

Yes, yes...I know. Here comes the load of people telling me Tebow is going to be the one to break the cycle.

keylime_5
01-04-2009, 10:55 PM
Florida WRs and QBs always bust. I think Penn State might produce the most busts though.

Matthew Jones
01-04-2009, 11:03 PM
Not the most busts, but Texas has recently had Mike Williams (the OT), Marcus Tubbs, Cedric Benson, David Thomas, Michael Huff, Vince Young, etc.

illmatic74
01-04-2009, 11:04 PM
delete this

Scott Wright
01-04-2009, 11:05 PM
Penn State definitely has more than their fair share.

Monomach
01-04-2009, 11:07 PM
Penn State definitely has more than their fair share.

&^%$%^& Koo-Koo for Cocoa Puffs Curtis Enis over Randy Moss still pisses me off.

Brian Dawkins
01-04-2009, 11:11 PM
Florida WRs

furiousgod
01-04-2009, 11:23 PM
usc produces alot of busts

Brent
01-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Not the most busts, but Texas has recently had Mike Williams (the OT), Marcus Tubbs, Cedric Benson, David Thomas, Michael Huff, Vince Young, etc.
That's because they don't get a lot of development at UT. I am not knocking the team but they rely more on players' physical abilities rather than coaching them up. Muschamp seems to have changed it a bit but I dont know if that is more scheme than anything.

Iamcanadian
01-05-2009, 08:09 AM
Weak GM's who have a hard time actually assessing talent will draft guys from major programs as they may offer a better shot at being OK. They are miserable at judging talent and hence often rely on the school's reputation to help them.
This group of GM's account for a large # of serious busts from their high picks. Teams who have solid GM's account for far less busts and will often put out false information on prospects hoping the weak GM's take the bait and draft far weaker players. This lets the better prospects fall to the better teams who probably wouldn't touch half the players the weaker GM's draft higher.
In many cases the school has nothing to do with who busts at the next level, it is all about who coaches a college team and what positions he places his better athletes. Steve Spurrior is a good example. Every spring he decides where freshmen will play. If he has an athlete who can play both WR and DB, he tends to place his better athletes at DB and lets the weaker athletes play WR for him. He obviously believes that his system on offense will let inferior athletes be productive. Hence Florida and now South Carolina will produce solid NFL DB's under this system while a lot of his WR's will bust if drafted too high.
Scouts and GM's become well aware over time where certain HC's like to put their best athletes and will use that information to avoid drafting certain positions where that HC doesn't put his superior athletes.
Of course if the college switches HC's, then the new HC may have different priorities and this trend for a school may change completely. In Florida's case, Urben Meyer may have a completely different idea on where to put his better athletes from Spurrior, and NFL scouts and GM's will have to reevaluate each position on Florida and determine all over again where Meyer likes to put his top athletes. Florida's WR's could be a strong position to now draft from that school if Meyer's places more importance on that position. Over time pro scouts and GM's will get a book on Meyer's tendencies and act accordingly. They follow the same process on every college HC.

SuperKevin
01-05-2009, 08:47 AM
Basically the answer to this question is teams like USC, Penn State, and Florida but not because their players aren't good. In fact it's because they have too many good players. When you're sending 8-10 players into the pros every year you're bound to have some fail to reach expectations.

OneToughGame
01-05-2009, 08:50 AM
Not the most busts, but Texas has recently had Mike Williams (the OT), Marcus Tubbs, Cedric Benson, David Thomas, Michael Huff, Vince Young, etc.

I don't know if I'd call Tubbs a bust as in play wise but constantly injured then I would. He was always injured but when he was playing he did pretty well out there.

P-L
01-05-2009, 09:10 AM
I'll say Florida, and it's not just quarterbacks and receivers either.

bored of education
01-05-2009, 09:30 AM
Just the Florida draft picks since 2000, not many sexy picks.


2008 1 8 Derrick Harvey DE Jacksonville Jaguars U
2008 3 97 Andre Caldwell WR Cincinnati Bengals U
2007 1 17 Jarvis Moss DE Denver Broncos
2007 1 21 Reggie Nelson FS Jacksonville Jaguars
2007 3 97 Ray McDonald DE San Francisco 49ers
2007 4 121 Marcus Thomas DT Denver Broncos
2007 4 135 Joe Cohen DT San Francisco 49ers
2007 6 206 Ryan Smith CB Tennessee Titans
2007 7 227 Dallas Baker WR Pittsburgh Steelers
2007 7 228 DeShawn Wynn RB Green Bay Packers
2007 7 240 Brandon Siler LB San Diego Chargers
2006 2 36 Chad Jackson WR New England Patriots
2006 6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB New England Patriots
2006 7 236 Dee Webb CB Jacksonville Jaguars
2005 3 70 Channing Crowder OLB Miami Dolphins
2005 4 112 Ciatrick Fason RB Minnesota Vikings
2005 7 218 Reynaldo Hill CB Tennessee Titans
2004 2 40 Ben Troupe TE Tennessee Titans
2004 2 49 Keiwan Ratliff CB Cincinnati Bengals
2004 3 75 Max Starks T Pittsburgh Steelers
2004 3 95 Guss Scott SAF New England Patriots
2004 7 249 Bobby McCray DE Jacksonville Jaguars
2003 1 22 Rex Grossman QB Chicago Bears
2003 2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Washington Redskins
2003 4 100 Todd Johnson DB Chicago Bears
2003 4 116 Ian Scott DT Chicago Bears
2003 5 161 Aaron Walker TE San Francisco 49ers
2003 5 171 Tron LaFavor DT Chicago Bears
2003 6 190 Michael Nattiel LB Minnesota Vikings
2003 7 227 Clint Mitchell DE Denver Broncos
2002 1 26 Lito Sheppard CB Philadelphia Eagles
2002 2 33 Jabar Gaffney WR Houston Texans
2002 2 40 Mike Pearson T Jacksonville Jaguars
2002 2 48 Reche Caldwell WR San Diego Chargers
2002 4 102 Jeff Chandler K San Francisco 49ers
2002 4 104 Alex Brown DE Chicago Bears
2002 5 141 Andra Davis LB Cleveland Browns
2002 6 181 Marquand Manuel SS Cincinnati Bengals
2001 1 3 Gerard Warren DT Cleveland Browns
2001 1 14 Kenyatta Walker T Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2001 4 125 Jesse Palmer QB New York Giants
2001 7 208 John Capel -- Chicago Bears
2000 1 10 Travis Taylor WR Baltimore Ravens
2000 3 68 Erron Kinney TE Tennessee Titans
2000 3 80 Darrell Jackson WR Seattle Seahawks
2000 4 112 Cooper Carlisle G Denver Broncos
2000 7 249 Eugene McCaslin LB Green Bay Packers

VoteLynnSwan
01-05-2009, 09:36 AM
no one drafted in round 4 or later can EVER be considered a bust... anything you get from those guys is a positive.

jdcozart
01-05-2009, 03:54 PM
Just the Florida draft picks since 2000, not many sexy picks.


2008 1 8 Derrick Harvey DE Jacksonville Jaguars U
2008 3 97 Andre Caldwell WR Cincinnati Bengals U
2007 1 17 Jarvis Moss DE Denver Broncos
2007 1 21 Reggie Nelson FS Jacksonville Jaguars
2007 3 97 Ray McDonald DE San Francisco 49ers
2007 4 121 Marcus Thomas DT Denver Broncos
2007 4 135 Joe Cohen DT San Francisco 49ers
2007 6 206 Ryan Smith CB Tennessee Titans
2007 7 227 Dallas Baker WR Pittsburgh Steelers
2007 7 228 DeShawn Wynn RB Green Bay Packers
2007 7 240 Brandon Siler LB San Diego Chargers
2006 2 36 Chad Jackson WR New England Patriots
2006 6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB New England Patriots
2006 7 236 Dee Webb CB Jacksonville Jaguars
2005 3 70 Channing Crowder OLB Miami Dolphins
2005 4 112 Ciatrick Fason RB Minnesota Vikings
2005 7 218 Reynaldo Hill CB Tennessee Titans
2004 2 40 Ben Troupe TE Tennessee Titans
2004 2 49 Keiwan Ratliff CB Cincinnati Bengals
2004 3 75 Max Starks T Pittsburgh Steelers
2004 3 95 Guss Scott SAF New England Patriots
2004 7 249 Bobby McCray DE Jacksonville Jaguars
2003 1 22 Rex Grossman QB Chicago Bears
2003 2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Washington Redskins
2003 4 100 Todd Johnson DB Chicago Bears
2003 4 116 Ian Scott DT Chicago Bears
2003 5 161 Aaron Walker TE San Francisco 49ers
2003 5 171 Tron LaFavor DT Chicago Bears
2003 6 190 Michael Nattiel LB Minnesota Vikings
2003 7 227 Clint Mitchell DE Denver Broncos
2002 1 26 Lito Sheppard CB Philadelphia Eagles
2002 2 33 Jabar Gaffney WR Houston Texans
2002 2 40 Mike Pearson T Jacksonville Jaguars
2002 2 48 Reche Caldwell WR San Diego Chargers
2002 4 102 Jeff Chandler K San Francisco 49ers
2002 4 104 Alex Brown DE Chicago Bears
2002 5 141 Andra Davis LB Cleveland Browns
2002 6 181 Marquand Manuel SS Cincinnati Bengals
2001 1 3 Gerard Warren DT Cleveland Browns
2001 1 14 Kenyatta Walker T Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2001 4 125 Jesse Palmer QB New York Giants
2001 7 208 John Capel -- Chicago Bears
2000 1 10 Travis Taylor WR Baltimore Ravens
2000 3 68 Erron Kinney TE Tennessee Titans
2000 3 80 Darrell Jackson WR Seattle Seahawks
2000 4 112 Cooper Carlisle G Denver Broncos
2000 7 249 Eugene McCaslin LB Green Bay Packers

That is an insane list of Florida flunkies!

SeanTaylorRIP
01-05-2009, 04:05 PM
no one drafted in round 4 or later can EVER be considered a bust... anything you get from those guys is a positive.

Exactly 25 names on that list were drafted beyond the 4th round, not sure how you can call a 7th rounder a bust. For 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders you just pray they make the roster.

SuperKevin
01-05-2009, 04:10 PM
As much as it pains me to say it, Maryland usually produces a fair share of busts that are overhyped because of athletic ability

coordinator0
01-05-2009, 04:14 PM
Outside of offensive linemen I would say Michigan produces quite a few busts, although not as many as the other programs. There are a few exceptions to the rule (as there are with every college), including Charles Woodson and Lamar Woodley, but I think a lot of their players get a ton of hype that is'nt deserved.

AtariBigby
01-05-2009, 04:21 PM
Great list. With all those picks, and over 25 of them in the first 4 rounds, you'd expect to find some superstars. Some Emmitt Smith's or Neal Anderson's again. But nothing like that.
Jarvis Moss was totally overrated.
Chad Jackson was supposed to be e phenom and break the WR jinx for them.

D Harvey, Reggie N, and C Crowder have bright futures though.....

sbh15
01-05-2009, 04:40 PM
Yeah Florida has kind of failed in the NFL of late... I think Percy will break the WR trend, Tebow I think will be a stud, but not at QB. I really do like him as an H-Back if he can't make it as a QB.

underscore
01-05-2009, 05:02 PM
I'd be willing to bet it's all pretty even as to who has the most busts.

It's just the high profile ones you remember the most (like PSU RBs)

soybean
01-05-2009, 05:08 PM
Yeah Florida has kind of failed in the NFL of late... I think Percy will break the WR trend, Tebow I think will be a stud, but not at QB. I really do like him as an H-Back if he can't make it as a QB.

tebow at hb = jacob hester.

captainjack27
01-05-2009, 05:19 PM
Penn State definitely has more than their fair share.

:( don't remind me

captainjack27
01-05-2009, 05:20 PM
&^%$%^& Koo-Koo for Cocoa Puffs Curtis Enis over Randy Moss still pisses me off.

Talk about fail.