ravens defense vs titans defense

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

On any given sunday who would you choose to have playing defense for your team???/

[bigbluedefense]

Titans.

My main reason is this: The Ravens defense this year, has had a bad tendency of collapsing in big moments in big games. Theyre not "clutch", if a defense is allowed to be that term.

For that reason, Im taking the Titans defense, who has been stoute all season, for all 4 quarters.

Not 3 1/2 like the Ravens defense too many times this year.

[CC.SD]

If the Titans are at full strength, they get my nod. KVB and Haynseworth just collapse the pocket instantly against both the run and pass, it makes it impossible for an offense to operate. The rest of them are a bunch of mean mothers too. It's close because obviously it's impossible to hate on the Ravens D, but I go with the Titans if there's a gun to my head.

[MetSox17]

I like the Ravens defense better.

I agree with you (^) saying that the Titans defense is probably a little more reliable, but i like the big play ability the Ravens have on defense over the vanilla Titans. They've had injury concerns across the line throughout the season, so can they really generate enough pressure without Vanden Bosch or Haynesworth? Both secondaries are top notch, the Titans probably get the edge there, but Baltimore's front 7 is pretty nasty. Behind only Pittsburgh's imo.

[giantsfan]

As I've mentioned in other threads both defense have a lot of talent and both have had very good seasons.

That said I'll take the titans by a smidge since they just go out there and do what they're supposed to do, nothing very creative or fancy about that D, but they'll just do their job better than you can do yours and shut you down because of it.

The Ravens D is very aggressive and the do a very good job of confusing opposing OCs. They're playing totally balls to the wall, which I love, but they just seem to make mistakes at the worst times, if I had to guess why I'd say it's because they're pressing to protect their rook. Thus while the ravens make more plays their D isn't as consistent and steady as the titans and that's why I give the titans the nod. Both are top 5 Ds and both deserve a lot of respect, but my preference would be the titans D.

[giantsfan]

BTW if you can add a poll you should do it, I'd like to see with whom the majority lies.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

yea me to lol so i will if i can figure it out

[skinzzfan25]

Ravens.

Ed Reed is too much.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I think the Titans have a better defense, but it's just by a pubic hair.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Both teams have very fluid plans based on their given opponent, so I'm not sure either has the schematic advantage. Past that, assuming everyone is healthy, I'd go with Tennessee.

Tennessee relies heavily on Haynesworth to rectify that front seven and Baltimore relies heavily on Reed to rectify that secondary, but while Reed is indeed awesome, he can't be everywhere in that secondary and Baltimore can be prone to giving up some big yards in the passing game.

[bigbluedefense]

People aren't giving the 2nd best DT in the league enough credit: Ngata.

Ngata does for that Baltimore front 7 what Haynesworth does for Tennessee.

[B-Dawk]

To me i like the Ravens explosiveness and penchant for the big play, while i see the titans as more consistent. I guess it would depend on the offense, but i'll take the ravens.

[Bruce Banner]

I think the Titans have a better defense, but it's just by a pubic hair.

what if it's a vintage porn pubic hair?

that difference becomes asstronomic.

[CC.SD]

what if it's a vintage porn pubic hair?

that difference becomes astronomic.

Yah, don't mess with the fur bikini.

[CashmoneyDrew]

what if it's a vintage porn pubic hair?

that difference becomes asstronomic.

Yes, yes it does.

[TitanHope]

How good is Ngata at pass rushing? What separated guys like Haynesworth and Kevin Williams is that they're big DT's that can stop the run and rush the passer. I always thought Ngata wasn't that good at pass rushing, but it may be the scheme he plays in.

[bigbluedefense]

How good is Ngata at pass rushing? What separated guys like Haynesworth and Kevin Williams is that they're big DT's that can stop the run and rush the passer. I always thought Ngata wasn't that good at pass rushing, but it may be the scheme he plays in.

oh he can rush. the guy stands up and blitzes. he can rush.

they use him in a ton of ways, which is good in a way, but also bad in a way. they should use him the exact same way Tennessee uses Haynesworth.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

How good is Ngata at pass rushing? What separated guys like Haynesworth and Kevin Williams is that they're big DT's that can stop the run and rush the passer. I always thought Ngata wasn't that good at pass rushing, but it may be the scheme he plays in.

ngata plays LB on some plays he gets picks lol hes good with his hands when the qb is passing .

[PACKmanN]

I think its even, the Titans' coaching staff will always put their defense is a position to win while the Ravens' defense can always get by based on talent and speed.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

they use him in a ton of ways, which is good in a way, but also bad in a way. they should use him the exact same way Tennessee uses Haynesworth.

I tend to agree. I can't rank Ngata with Haynesworth in terms of overall impact when he plays the 5-tech for a good chunk of the time.

[CC.SD]

oh he can rush. the guy stands up and blitzes. he can rush.

they use him in a ton of ways, which is good in a way, but also bad in a way. they should use him the exact same way Tennessee uses Haynesworth.

Also quite a rugby player.

[Aftermath]

I'm partial to the Raven's defense.

So, Baltimore.

[SenorGato]

People aren't giving the 2nd best DT in the league enough credit: Ngata.

Ngata does for that Baltimore front 7 what Haynesworth does for Tennessee.

+1

He's also younger and more mature than Haynesworth was at the same age.

I'd take the Ravens D every day. Sure they take risks, but thats what great D's can allow themselves to do.

[giantsfan]

People aren't giving the 2nd best DT in the league enough credit: Ngata.

Ngata does for that Baltimore front 7 what Haynesworth does for Tennessee.

Ngata's a beast, but he's not as dominant as fat albert yet. He probably will be, and could even be better, but not yet, give the kid some time before we put him on fat albert's level.

[bigbluedefense]

oh i agree, Ngata is not on Haynesworth's level. but nobody is.

i think Ngata does similar things for Baltimore. And as a front 7 DT/UT/NT, the only player in the league id take over Ngata right now is Haynesworth.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

yea well thats why i said i wouldnt take fat al over him because hes younger and has the potential to be better

[giantsfan]

oh i agree, Ngata is not on Haynesworth's level. but nobody is.

i think Ngata does similar things for Baltimore. And as a front 7 DT/UT/NT, the only player in the league id take over Ngata right now is Haynesworth.

I don't know how drunk I'd have to get to disagree with you on that one. Although the way Jenkins played this year I think he might be close, but not better.

[giantsfan]

yea well thats why i said i wouldnt take fat al over him because hes younger and has the potential to be better

Sure, but we're talking about both of these defenses during the 2008-2009 season, not the 2011 ravens versus the 2009 titans.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

I don't know how drunk I'd have to get to disagree with you on that one. Although the way Jenkins played this year I think he might be close, but not better.

i think theres DT out there who are as good as him right now but to have a 24yr old DT who is nasty and eats double teams for breakfast like him is rare and you can only imagine how good he will be in 5yrs. and it helps to have rex ryan and the rest of the ravens def helping you look good. or should i say it helps rex ryan and the rest of the ravens def to look good having ngata??

[PACKmanN]

oh i agree, Ngata is not on Haynesworth's level. but nobody is.

i think Ngata does similar things for Baltimore. And as a front 7 DT/UT/NT, the only player in the league id take over Ngata right now is Haynesworth.

over Aso???

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Sure, but we're talking about both of these defenses during the 2008-2009 season, not the 2011 ravens versus the 2009 titans.

good point.

[giantsfan]

over Aso???

Aso would struggle at DT and NT. He probably could be a beastly UT just because he's aso, but I still wouldn't take him for that role over Ngata. ;)

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

over Aso???

i think he meant dt

[Bruce Banner]

over Aso???

eh, the d-linemen create for the corners is the logic I would employ.

[skinzzfan25]

Pryce gets a lot of penetration mainly because Ngata takes up 2-3 linemen constantly. I don't think you can accurately compare both Ngata and Haynesworth because they're both asked to do different things based on the schemes they play in.

When healthy, Pryce defiantly does reap the benefits of having a rock right next to him. Ngata doesn't let linemen get to the second level and lets his LBers make the play on the backs. He's everything I want in my NT.

The overall explosiveness of the Ravens defense is just nasty. They play motivated.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

thats probably the difference in the 2 is the risks the ravens take and the intensity they bring to every game.

[bigbluedefense]

over Aso???

i was talking DTs.

but if you want to discuss the 2 and compare them, id still take Haynesworth over Aso.

its the horses up front who win you championships.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

i was talking DTs.

but if you want to discuss the 2 and compare them, id still take Haynesworth over Aso.

its the horses up front who win you championships.

as you can see with teams like the packers who have real good DBs but there front 7 isnt all that so they give up alot of runs. you have to stop the run to stop the pass. no run no play action lol

[Malaka]

I like Baltimore's big play ability on defense, so I'll take them over the Titans but they are both in the top 3 in defenses.

1. Steelers
2. Ravens
3. Titans
(Thats my honest opinion, and it is quite interchangeable)

[CashmoneyDrew]

I keep seeing people say they'll take the Ravens "Big Play" ability over the Titans. The Titans can make plays too now people. We're talking about a secondary with Chris Hope, Cortland Finnegan, and Michael Griffin. Our LB's can make plays in the passing game and blitzing when need be as well. The defensive line is so deep and gets such great pass rush without extra blitzers as well. I love love love the Ravens defense and how they play but the Titans can make some plays too.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

yea the titans obviously make plays there a top defense in the game lol but the ravens ability to make plays is on another level IMO because thats what we thrive on. I mean to bad everyone cant have a ed reed

[CashmoneyDrew]

From NFL.com.....

Titans defense: 44 sacks, 23 forced fumbles, 20 INT's
Ravens defense: 34 sacks, 13 forced fumbles, 26 INT's

So the Titans defense makes a ton of plays as well.

[OzTitan]

Sometimes I think "A D thriving on making plays" = "A D making a big deal out of sacks and turnovers". A turnover and a sack is always the same no matter the D, but some D's seem to celebrate and draw (or spend) more energy as a result. I think the Ravens are like this. I think the better summary is an "emotional" D.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

yea when we get a interception we dont go to the sideline like ok the offense better score we did our job. we go to the sideline and are ready to come back on thinking lets get another pick. and the more big plays we get the better our def is going to play. theres nothing scarier than a very good def with confidence.(Ravens,Steelers,Titans)

[TitanHope]

Oh yeah! Well...I bet my defense can beat up your defense! ;)

Our DL is what I love most about the Titans DEF. It has the top end talent, yet the depth to allow backups to rotate in and there not being any significant dropoff in play. It really is our bread and butter. Of the 44 sacks the Titans have tallied this season, 40 of them were made by the DL. To show what kind of depth the DL has, the Titans starters Al Haynesworth, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Jevon Kearse, and Tony Brown only accounted for 20 of the DL's 40 sacks. That means that the backups contributed 50% of the DL's sacks this season. Gotta love it!

As for comparing the two defenses...it's tough. For starters, the Titans run a 4-3 and the Ravens run a 3-4. The Titans's DEF is bend but don't break, and the Ravens DEF is blitz heavy. The Titans will give up the yardage but not the points, and the Ravens will give up the points but not the yardage. So it's hard to look at the numbers and say one is better.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Just think how many sacks we'd have if Schwartz would send a blitz once in a blue moon! Yipes!

[TitanHope]

Lol, don't hate on the ever epic CB Blitz!!!

When your secondary has 3x the amount of sacks as your LB's do, you know something's up...:(

[SenorGato]

From NFL.com.....

Titans defense: 44 sacks, 23 forced fumbles, 20 INT's
Ravens defense: 34 sacks, 13 forced fumbles, 26 INT's

So the Titans defense makes a ton of plays as well.

I bow to those numbers.

2008 winners are the Titans.

Good game coming up then. Little bit of one.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I'm surprised the voting isn't a little bit closer to be honest.

[giantsfan]

I'm surprised the voting isn't a little bit closer to be honest.

Me to, although the ravens have had a rep for an elite d for longer and have more recognizable talent so it's not surprising. I understand completely why people like the ravens, I normally prefer aggressive defenses that attack and confuse, but the titans have just been executing unbelievably well this season which is why I like them more this season.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

yea i think its the consistency that catches everyones eye. The ravens have been solid on defense since the beginning lol and the question is what defense would you take not what team because the titans have a better offense so they can get the def some rest lol the ravens def likes to win the games for our offense

[CashmoneyDrew]

yea i think its the consistency that catches everyones eye. The ravens have been solid on defense since the beginning lol and the question is what defense would you take not what team because the titans have a better offense so they can get the def some rest lol the ravens def likes to win the games for our offense

The offenses are actually fairly similar. They both had about the same amount of rushing yards in the regular season and the starting QB's had eerily similar QB ratings.
80.2 and 80.3 respectively. And the Titans defense was solid last year as well so it's not like they just came out of nowhere.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

The offenses are actually fairly similar. They both had about the same amount of rushing yards in the regular season and the starting QB's had eerily similar QB ratings.
80.2 and 80.3 respectively. And the Titans defense was solid last year as well so it's not like they just came out of nowhere.

yea but theres a difference between having a dominating defense consistently and having a solid defense not saying your def wasnt good because ours wasnt all that good last year (we took a year off:) ) but we have been dominate for a long time

[CashmoneyDrew]

That's technically true, yes. The Titans did have a couple of down years defensively there a few years ago, but otherwise they've always been a very good defense.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

That's technically true, yes. The Titans did have a couple of down years defensively there a few years ago, but otherwise they've always been a very good defense.

agreed. the great samari rolle came from the titans lol:)

[giantsfan]

I don't see how their performance in previous season plays into this though. This thread sprung up because I said I thought the Titans had a better D this season when discussing their upcoming match up. I'm not an idiot so of course the ravens have had a better D for a while, but this year I can't not give the Titans the respect they've earned since they just go out and beat you up, nothing fancy, no blitzes, like ever, just line em up and beat your guy and maybe a couple other guys.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

I don't see how their performance in previous season plays into this though. This thread sprung up because I said I thought the Titans had a better D this season when discussing their upcoming match up. I'm not an idiot so of course the ravens have had a better D for a while, but this year I can't not give the Titans the respect they've earned since they just go out and beat you up, nothing fancy, no blitzes, like ever, just line em up and beat your guy and maybe a couple other guys.

well we were just saying that the reason the poll isnt closer is because the ravens have a bigger reputation on the def side of the ball. check back to earlier posts he says he thought it would be closer so we were talking about that

[giantsfan]

well we were just saying that the reason the poll isnt closer is because the ravens have a bigger reputation on the def side of the ball. check back to earlier posts he says he thought it would be closer so we were talking about that

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was trying to get some of the people who would be voting for the ravens on name recognition (basically) to dig a little deeper than just voting for Ray Ray, Reed, ngata and suggs.

Edit: I was actually the one who first mentioned how the ravens history might be playing a role in the voting when responding to VM's comment about how he expected it to be closer. yeah, i'm so awesome

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was trying to get some of the people who would be voting for the ravens on name recognition (basically) to dig a little deeper than just voting for Ray Ray, Reed, ngata and suggs.

oh aiight my fault. i def made this thread so i could find out what people thought about our debate(which was a good debate lol and i always enjoy a good debate) and i wanted more than just ravens fans to give there opinions because when we started the debate i thought we were on a diff level but with some good points and some other peoples opinions i realize that the titans are a top 3 defense and it isnt as far away as i made it.

[TitanHope]

The voting difference is probably attributed to the Ravens playing most recently, and having a great defensive performance while they were at it too. Titans starters haven't played a full game since the Pittsburgh game in Week 16.

If someone doesn't know the intricacies of the Titans and Ravens, they'll likely go off recent memory and pick the Ravens as they've impressed most recently.

But then again, it seems like everybody's sleeping on the Titans, and are picking the Ravens to be the most likely team to win next weekend. So maybe it is more of a conscious decision than I'm thinking,

[WinslowBodden]

Ravens... If the Ravens had a top 10 offense they would be unstoppable... Their defense constantly wins games without hardly any offensive production, at least the titans do something.

[LonghornsLegend]

The Ravens...The Titans have a much more competent offense and can move the ball with Chris Johnson and can rely on the veteran at QB, the Ravens defense always carries that team, and typically do the scoring as well...They stop the run better then Tennessee, and while they both create turnovers Ed Reed is playing out of his mind and they probably have two 1st ballot Hall of Famers on that defense.


You could really roll with either, but Baltimore for me.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Ravens... If the Ravens had a top 10 offense they would be unstoppable... Their defense constantly wins games without hardly any offensive production, at least the titans do something.

Dude, the Ravens scored more points per game than the Titans.

[LonghornsLegend]

Dude, the Ravens scored more points per game than the Titans.

Yea, and realize that counts defensive TD's also...The Ravens probably average 6 points on defense per game alone.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Yea, and realize that counts defensive TD's also...The Ravens probably average 6 points on defense per game alone.

Heh, not quite.

Baltimore had 6 defensive touchdowns and Tennessee had 4. The offenses produced at about the same level. In fact, Baltimore put up more yards per game as well.

[ShutDwn]

Titans.

My main reason is this: The Ravens defense this year, has had a bad tendency of collapsing in big moments in big games. Theyre not "clutch", if a defense is allowed to be that term.

For that reason, Im taking the Titans defense, who has been stoute all season, for all 4 quarters.

Not 3 1/2 like the Ravens defense too many times this year.

I know what you mean, any time I have seen them with a must stop situation they let a team go down the field. They may have been stout all game and even dominant, but they are a terrible last possession defense this year.

[Iamcanadian]

For me it is simple. Tennessee played one of the weakest schedules in the NFL and dominated weaker teams on defense. Baltimore played one of the toughest schedules in the NFL and dominated better teams on defense.
My vote therefore goes to Baltimore.

[giantsfan]

The Ravens...The Titans have a much more competent offense and can move the ball with Chris Johnson and can rely on the veteran at QB, the Ravens defense always carries that team, and typically do the scoring as well...They stop the run better then Tennessee, and while they both create turnovers Ed Reed is playing out of his mind and they probably have two 1st ballot Hall of Famers on that defense.


You could really roll with either, but Baltimore for me.

I'm going to have to disagree with your reasoning here, the Ravens had more passing yards, passing TDs, rushing yards and points (although as you've mentioned the ravens had two more defensive TDs). So if anything I'd have to say the Ravens had a more competent offense, being able to move the ball with McLain, Rice and Willis, with Flacco having a better season than Collins.

Sure Ed reed is beasting, but the ravens have only three more takeaways while also collecting 10 less sacks. As for the run D's the ravens are only .1 yards per carry better on the season so while I'd have to agree the ravens were a little better it's not exactly a major difference.

[giantsfan]

For me it is simple. Tennessee played one of the weakest schedules in the NFL and dominated weaker teams on defense. Baltimore played one of the toughest schedules in the NFL and dominated better teams on defense.
My vote therefore goes to Baltimore.

Umm, the ravens and titans opponents had the exact same record, 141-115...

[Smooth Criminal]

I'll take the Titans. At least twice the Ravens D has given up a last second drive down the entire field to lose the game. Gotta finish.

[Smooth Criminal]

Umm, the ravens and titans opponents had the exact same record, 141-115...

Record yes they're even. Talent? Ravens schedule was much harder. AFC North had to play the hardest schedule this year. Playing the NFC East and the AFC South plus the Ravens had Miami aswell.

Baltimore had 7 games against playoff teams. Pittsburgh twice, NYG, Philly, Indy, Tennessee and Miami.
Tennessee had 5. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indy twice, and Minnesota.

[giantsfan]

Record yes they're even. Talent? Ravens schedule was much harder. AFC North had to play the hardest schedule this year. Playing the NFC East and the AFC South plus the Ravens had Miami aswell.

Baltimore had 7 games against playoff teams. Pittsburgh twice, NYG, Philly, Indy, Tennessee and Miami.
Tennessee had 5. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indy twice, and Minnesota.

That's true, but IAC made it out to seem like the ravens played only playoff teams and the titans played the lions 16 times. The ravens played some better teams, but it wasn't as though the titans didn't play any good teams either.

[Iamcanadian]

Umm, the ravens and titans opponents had the exact same record, 141-115...

The facts are clear, Tennessee played teams with a .455 winning record and Baltimore played teams with a .521 winning record. Baltimore had a very tough schedule while Tennessee played teams with a very weak schedule. Tennessee stats and record are warped by playing a very easy schedule while Baltimore still completed a very good record and stats while playing a far more difficult schedule.
Baltimore still has to play at Tennessee where Tennessee is always tough and has to hope that their rookie QB can stand up to the pressure on the road but they have proven themselves against a far tougher schedule and will give Tennessee a real go. Let's see how Collins plays against a superior defense something he wasn't called upon to do too often during the regular season.
My money's on Baltimore to prevail.

[Smooth Criminal]

Titans schedule wasn't pathetic by any means. But the NFC North is way weaker than the NFC East.

The other two games, Baltimore played Miami and Oakland. Tennessee played KC and NYJ. Another advantage Baltimore.

[CashmoneyDrew]

All of that stuff about the Titans have a better offense to get their team off of the field more and blah, blah, blah.....

Ravens: 24.1 pts per game, 324 yds, 175.5 passing yds per game, 148.5 rushing yards per game

Titans: 23.4 pts per game, 313.6 yds, 176.2 passing yds per game, 137.4 rushing yards per game

The Ravens offense was better in every stat except for passing yards per game, and they only lost out by .7 yds per game there.

So we've established....
- Titans defense allows fewer points per game
- Titans defense creates more big plays
- Titans defense carries a lesser offense
- Titans defense helped win more games and lock up the #1 playoff seed in the AFC
- Titans defense beat the Ravens defense head-to-head AT Baltimore

Therefore 49-18 prefers the Ravens defense......

[LonghornsLegend]

All of that stuff about the Titans have a better offense to get their team off of the field more and blah, blah, blah.....

Ravens: 24.1 pts per game, 324 yds, 175.5 passing yds per game, 148.5 rushing yards per game

Titans: 23.4 pts per game, 313.6 yds, 176.2 passing yds per game, 137.4 rushing yards per game

The Ravens offense was better in every stat except for passing yards per game, and they only lost out by .7 yds per game there.

So we've established....
- Titans defense allows fewer points per game
- Titans defense creates more big plays
- Titans defense carries a lesser offense
- Titans defense helped win more games and lock up the #1 playoff seed in the AFC
- Titans defense beat the Ravens defense head-to-head AT Baltimore

Therefore 49-18 prefers the Ravens defense......


So basically if anyone picks the Ravens D their wrong then right?

[katnip]

Umm, for me for some reason I'd take Titans D for this game

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

All of that stuff about the Titans have a better offense to get their team off of the field more and blah, blah, blah.....

Ravens: 24.1 pts per game, 324 yds, 175.5 passing yds per game, 148.5 rushing yards per game

Titans: 23.4 pts per game, 313.6 yds, 176.2 passing yds per game, 137.4 rushing yards per game

The Ravens offense was better in every stat except for passing yards per game, and they only lost out by .7 yds per game there.

So we've established....
- Titans defense allows fewer points per game
- Titans defense creates more big plays
- Titans defense carries a lesser offense
- Titans defense helped win more games and lock up the #1 playoff seed in the AFC
- Titans defense beat the Ravens defense head-to-head AT Baltimore

Therefore 49-18 prefers the Ravens defense......

your team barely holds teams to less points.
your team gets more sacks.
your offense i wouldnt say is less more of even
your defense havent won more games than ours (the one in baltimore was an offensive drive that won that. and also got a bulshit roughing the passer call that i dont care about anymore but still remember)
your defense dont have Ed Reed lol :)
We have a rookie QB and HC your team has veteran both
we have fullback starting

its easy to come up with things that make sense i mean i understand why people are choosing the ravens i have got to watch them since they were a team. but i can agree i thought it would be a little closer.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

So basically if anyone picks the Ravens D their wrong then right?

it comes down to playmakers and IMO we have more. who are you going to depend on to come up big more than anyone??? i say ed reed what do you guys think??

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Playmakers is a good reason to pick a D, but it will come down gameplanning. That's one way to negate some of the playmakers on both sides, assuming we are going to say Titans have some too.

How many teams are going to break tendencies?

Are they going to break any or run the same stuff they ran throughout the season?

Honestly, it's going to come down the coaches and their specific gameplans which the players, obviously must execute.

This is why any team can win or any given day, having sick players is obviously a luxury, but my interest is in both teams gameplans.What are you going to do to break tendencies on both sides of the ball? That to me is key!

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Playmakers is a good reason to pick a D, but it will come down gameplanning. That's one way to negate some of the playmakers on both sides, assuming we are going to say Titans have some too.

How many teams are going to break tendencies?

Are they going to break any or run the same stuff they ran throughout the season?

Honestly, it's going to come down the coaches and their specific gameplans which the players, obviously must execute.

This is why any team can win or any given day, having sick players is obviously a luxury, but my interest is in both teams gameplans.What are you going to do to break tendencies on both sides of the ball? That to me is key!

agreed alot of us including me have not been giving our coaches enough credit its going to come down to game planning +rep on that good post

[CashmoneyDrew]

So basically if anyone picks the Ravens D their wrong then right?

No, I never said that. I've stated myself that it's a close call. I'm just very confused as to why the voting is so one sided in the end when the facts indicate that the Titans have a slightly better defense.

your team barely holds teams to less points. Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
your team gets more sacks. Yes
your offense i wouldnt say is less more of even Statistically the Ravens have a better offense therefore the Titans have a lesser offense.
your defense havent won more games than ours (the one in baltimore was an offensive drive that won that. and also got a bulshit roughing the passer call that i dont care about anymore but still remember) So you admit then that your defense collapsed at the end of the game to a very mediocre offense regardless of whether or not the penalty was warranted. And that's a debate for another day.
your defense dont have Ed Reed lol :) Your defense doesn't have Albert Haynesworth. So nah nah nah nah boo boo
We have a rookie QB and HC your team has veteran both Your rookie QB has better stats than our veteran QB so that doesn't really matter.
we have fullback starting So do we. Most teams do.

its easy to come up with things that make sense i mean i understand why people are choosing the ravens i have got to watch them since they were a team. but i can agree i thought it would be a little closer.

it comes down to playmakers and IMO we have more. who are you going to depend on to come up big more than anyone??? i say ed reed what do you guys think??

The Titans have plenty of play makers. Keith Bulluck, Chris Hope, Cortland Finnegan, Michael Griffin, Albert Haynesworth, KVB, Tony Brown, Jacob Ford..... etc.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

No, I never said that. I've stated myself that it's a close call. I'm just very confused as to why the voting is so one sided in the end when the facts indicate that the Titans have a slightly better defense.





The Titans have plenty of play makers. Keith Bulluck, Chris Hope, Cortland Finnegan, Michael Griffin, Albert Haynesworth, KVB, Tony Brown, Jacob Ford..... etc.

ok so your saying you would take my offense over yours
we have ngata and hes not as far apart from fat al as any of your safeties are from ed reed
our defense i was tired we were on the field a long time that game so yes we didnt have a last drive collapse
we have a fullback starting at HB lol guess i had that one coming

[CashmoneyDrew]

we have ngata and hes not as far apart from fat al as any of your safeties are from ed reed


I was just poking fun because to say that your defense is better simply because you have Ed Reed is a joke to me. Ed Reed is one of the top 5 defensive players in the NFL but so is Albert Haynesworth so it's a trade off. Ngata is very good but you're underrating Michael Griffin and the rest of the Titans defense not only as a unit, but as individual play makers.

[Gay Ork Wang]

oh lawd more homer battles

[CashmoneyDrew]

oh lawd more homer battles


Oh well, hopefully they'll back me up this Saturday. I didn't start this thread by the way. I'm only arguing because of the lopsidedness of the vote and because I think my team deserves a little more respect.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

YEA its def a homer battle and i think your team is very good defensivly and i think that your safetys are good as well i just dont think that there even close to ed reed.

[TitanHope]

it comes down to playmakers and IMO we have more. who are you going to depend on to come up big more than anyone??? i say ed reed what do you guys think??

I disagree. It's true that Ed Reed is the best playmaker out of the players on both teams, but him being the best doesn't mean Baltimore makes more plays. As a team, I'd say the Titans have the most playmakers from top to bottom. Michael Griffin is t-2nd in the NFL with 7 INT's, Cortland Finnegan is t-6th with 5 INT's, and Chris Hope is t-13th with 4 INT's. Ed Reed leads the NFL in INT's with 9, but the closest ones tp him on the Ravens DEF is Ray Lewis, Chris McCallister, and Samari Rolle with 3 INT's a piece. Ravens have the #1 player, but the Titans have player ranked 2-4.

Ed Reed is the best safety in the game, but Michael Griffin has been an exceptional ball hawk this season as well. Griffin had a INT TD, compared to Reed's 2 INT TD's. Griffin had a 24.6 INT return average, compared to Reed's 29.3 INT return average. Griffin has been spectacular this season, especially considering he's only in his second season. He is to Reed as Ngata is to Haynesworth.

I think it's when you look past the star players like Reed and Haynesworth and look at the guys who aren't going to the Pro Bowl or receiving the attention from the media.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Oh well, hopefully they'll back me up this Saturday. I didn't start this thread by the way. I'm only arguing because of the lopsidedness of the vote and because I think my team deserves a little more respect.

yea well i made this thread because i think this is a great match up for both teams and im sure all of us are scared for our offenses lol but i will keep saying i think it shouldnt be so unanimous but hey THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN LOL:)

[jkpigskin]

of course i will pick the ravens, but one thing people forget to mention is that the ravens are missing our starting NT/DE and CB in Kelly Gregg and Chris McAllister. Kelly Gregg is a beast and truly one of the most underappreciated players in the league and when healthy, McAllister is an elite CB

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

well i guess you can look at it that way but me and someone else had a argument about this years def so thats what started this thread

[CashmoneyDrew]

of course i will pick the ravens, but one thing people forget to mention is that the ravens are missing our starting NT/DE and CB in Kelly Gregg and Chris McAllister. Kelly Gregg is a beast and truly one of the most underappreciated players in the league and when healthy, McAllister is an elite CB

Well, the Titans have been missing KVB (one of the best all-around DE's in the game) and Eric King (our 3rd CB which usually plays an important role in the Titans defense) and not to mention Haynesworth has been out a few weeks.

[jkpigskin]

I disagree. It's true that Ed Reed is the best playmaker out of the players on both teams, but him being the best doesn't mean Baltimore makes more plays. As a team, I'd say the Titans have the most playmakers from top to bottom. Michael Griffin is t-2nd in the NFL with 7 INT's, Cortland Finnegan is t-6th with 5 INT's, and Chris Hope is t-13th with 4 INT's. Ed Reed leads the NFL in INT's with 9, but the closest ones tp him on the Ravens DEF is Ray Lewis, Chris McCallister, and Samari Rolle with 3 INT's a piece. Ravens have the #1 player, but the Titans have player ranked 2-4.

Ed Reed is the best safety in the game, but Michael Griffin has been an exceptional ball hawk this season as well. Griffin had a INT TD, compared to Reed's 2 INT TD's. Griffin had a 24.6 INT return average, compared to Reed's 29.3 INT return average. Griffin has been spectacular this season, especially considering he's only in his second season. He is to Reed as Ngata is to Haynesworth.

I think it's when you look past the star players like Reed and Haynesworth and look at the guys who aren't going to the Pro Bowl or receiving the attention from the media.

the bolded statement is very true. A good defense is made up of a solid core of players. A really good defense has those playmakers. We have seen on both the Titans and the Ravens that both have really solid players everywhere. At least on the Ravens side, Jim Leonhard showed that he is a solid nfl player during the miami game. We have blue collar guys like Justin Bannan and Jarrett Johnson. Big guys: Haloti Ngata & Trevor Price. Speed Guys: Fabian Washington & Samari Rolle. Pass Rushing Specialists: Terrell Suggs & Jim Leonhard from the saftey spot. Coverage LB's in Bart Scott and A leader named Ray Lewis

stars make a solid group of players into an elite group. and both teams are like this

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Well, the Titans have been missing KVB (one of the best all-around DE's in the game) and Eric King (our 3rd CB which usually plays an important role in the Titans defense) and not to mention Haynesworth has been out a few weeks.

stop that!!!!!! everyone has been mentioning KVB and fat al no one has said anything about greg or cmac but thats because there injured most of the year

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

the bolded statement is very true. A good defense is made up of a solid core of players. A really good defense has those playmakers. We have seen on both the Titans and the Ravens that both have really solid players everywhere. At least on the Ravens side, Jim Leonhard showed that he is a solid nfl player during the miami game. We have blue collar guys like Justin Bannan and Jarrett Johnson. Big guys: Haloti Ngata & Trevor Price. Speed Guys: Fabian Washington & Samari Rolle. Pass Rushing Specialists: Terrell Suggs & Jim Leonhard from the saftey spot. Coverage LB's in Bart Scott and A leader named Ray Lewis

stars make a solid group of players into an elite group. and both teams are like this

well said my friend well said

[CashmoneyDrew]

stop that!!!!!! everyone has been mentioning KVB and fat al no one has said anything about greg or cmac but thats because there injured most of the year

Hey now, I'm just bringing up key Titans injuries that should be pointed out as well. KVB has actually been out for quite some time.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Hey now, I'm just bringing up key Titans injuries that should be pointed out as well. KVB has actually been out for quite some time.

yea it sucks they will be back for saturday lol

[TitanHope]

KVB only played one series in the Titans/Ravens game in Week 5, and without him the Ravens were able to contain Haynesworth (Grubbs did an excellent job). I'm anxious to see how the Titans DL does in the rematch now that KVB is back and Jacob Ford has emerged as a the best pass-rusher behind Fat Al and KVB.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

yea theres alot of differences in the teams from that game so it will be fun to watch. the ravens are hot right now well the defense is and flacco is so much better (not saying he will go lights out sat.)

[TitanHope]

I think Samari Rolle was out that game too, and McCallister was healthy then. Kinda ironic that now Rolle is healthy, and McCallister is out.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

yea cmac had a pick that game lol

[bam bam]

The Titans D is actually more like the Ravens 2000 D than the current Ravens defense. They line up in a vanilla 4-3, and just beat you straight up. No complex blitzes or deceptive formations. Its because they have a great DLine.

If the Ravens play a complete 4 quarters, then they get the nod. If Flacco can put up some long drives and rest the D, then I give it to the Ravens. The fact of the matter is that the Ravens have played straight through since week three...they are tired and it showed in the Miami game. Miami was actually moving the ball pretty well, and the D was tired, but MIA always made a bonehead turnover.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

MIA didnt make the turnover we forced those and i agree we are going to have our hands full because we havent had a bye week but hopefully we keep our def off the field

[indyfan1985]

Id probably go with the Titans. Age has to be considered and Ray Lewis, Chris McAlister, and Samari Rolle are all getting up there.

When completely healthy, the Titans are just plain dominant on defense. Plus they have a Ed Reed like safety in Michael Griffin who also has 7 ints this year. They have 3 pro bowl DBs in Cortland Finnegan, Chris Hope, and Michael Griffin, a very good LB core led by Keith Bulluck, and obviously a dominant D-line.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Id probably go with the Titans. Age has to be considered and Ray Lewis, Chris McAlister, and Samari Rolle are all getting up there.

When completely healthy, the Titans are just plain dominant on defense. Plus they have a Ed Reed like safety in Michael Griffin who also has 7 ints this year. They have 3 pro bowl DBs in Cortland Finnegan, Chris Hope, and Michael Griffin, a very good LB core led by Keith Bulluck, and obviously a dominant D-line.

Well McCalister hasn't played the whole season and is out for the year. And why are we talking about Ray Lewis's age. For right now he shows no slowing down as he says he feels like he is entering his prime, whether or not that is true, he is performing as an elite linebacker. Rolle is the Ravens weakest corner no doubt but he doesn't even start many times.

The Ravens defense defense would really be amazing if C-mac, Kelly Gregg, Dawan Landry weren't out for the year. That's 3 key starters.