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BigJohn98
01-06-2009, 02:41 PM
Rumor has it that there is a strong possibility Brown will return for his senior season. Apparently his draft projection came back and it wasn't favorable.

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 02:42 PM
damn he should come out!!! His spin move is so sick

JaxJag_1
01-06-2009, 02:56 PM
I hope he comes out, I'd love him as a Jaguar

Monomach
01-06-2009, 02:57 PM
Rumor has it that this is completely made up.

BigJohn98
01-06-2009, 02:58 PM
Rumor has it that this is completely made up.

Umm, no it's not. I read it straight off a Florida State website from the owner of the website.

Menardo75
01-06-2009, 03:38 PM
Umm, no it's not. I read it straight off a Florida State website from the owner of the website.

A link would be prudent.

BigJohn98
01-06-2009, 04:05 PM
A link would be prudent.

It's a premium message board. Have to pay to read it.

Scott Wright
01-06-2009, 04:24 PM
I'd bet he comes out...

giantsfan
01-06-2009, 04:24 PM
Probably not a bad idea if he wants to be viewed as a 4-3 DE and not just as a 3-4 OLB.

Still see him coming out though.

BigJohn98
01-06-2009, 04:59 PM
It was also said that he was looking to register for spring classes. He has until Sunday to register for spring semester.

Menardo75
01-06-2009, 05:09 PM
I still think he is coming out.

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 05:41 PM
I'd bet he comes out...
isnt he like projected #1-2 DE off the board ?

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 05:43 PM
It was also said that he was looking to register for spring classes. He has until Sunday to register for spring semester.

He could still declare and go to school in the spring. Happens all the time. You always hear about players who are missing minicamps because they are still in school. He's probably just smart enough to want to continue his education.

GB12
01-06-2009, 05:59 PM
Or he could just be signing up for classes to keep both options open because he hasn't decided yet.

BuddyCHRIST
01-06-2009, 06:01 PM
He could still declare and go to school in the spring. Happens all the time. You always hear about players who are missing minicamps because they are still in school. He's probably just smart enough to want to continue his education.

I think he's thinking about registering, but he has already graduated, so he's not staying to finish up his degree.

giantsfan
01-07-2009, 03:19 PM
I think he's thinking about registering, but he has already graduated, so he's not staying to finish up his degree.

Maybe there are some classes he's always wanted to take because he thought they would be fun to learn about but hasn't had the time for in getting his degree and becoming the prospect he is?

GB12
01-07-2009, 03:47 PM
I saw on ESPN's bottom line that he's expect to declare soon.

SuperKevin
01-07-2009, 03:49 PM
I saw on ESPN's bottom line that he's expect to declare soon.

It's been reported on ESPN.com for a few hours now.

The Legend
01-07-2009, 03:50 PM
He Declared

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/cfootballnews.asp?articleID=248947

Tallahassee, FL (Sports Network) - Florida State pass-rush specialist Everette Brown has decided to forego his senior season and enter the 2009 NFL Draft.

The North Carolina native figures to be a guaranteed first-or-second rounder after logging a gaudy 13 1/2 sacks and 21 1/2 tackles for a loss this past season for the Seminoles, who finished up a 9-4 season with a Champs Sports Bowl victory over Wisconsin.

"In making my decision I took everything into account but my final decision was made based on what was wise for me at this point in my life," Brown said. "I grew up loving FSU and I truly appreciate the opportunity to be a part of this prestigious university. I will cherish the memories and experiences from my time here."

The 6-foot-4, 252-pound redshirt junior finished his three-year career at FSU with 23 sacks and 100 total tackles.

Texas Homer
01-07-2009, 07:27 PM
Why wouldn't he come out. Isn't he likely to be a top 20 pick?

goonies07
01-07-2009, 09:09 PM
Why wouldn't he come out. Isn't he likely to be a top 20 pick?

yeah, he'll be going 17th to the jets

regoob2
01-07-2009, 10:11 PM
Rumor has it that there is a strong possibility Brown will return for his senior season. Apparently his draft projection came back and it wasn't favorable.Nice thread Post a link next time.

Zyro_1014
01-07-2009, 11:14 PM
yeah, he'll be going 17th to the jets

he'll be gone before then.

Scott Wright
01-07-2009, 11:15 PM
yeah, he'll be going 17th to the jets

Don't the Jets already have Calvin Pace, Bryan Thomas and Vernon Gholston?

The last thing they need is another 3-4 outside linebacker.

Texas Homer
01-08-2009, 12:46 AM
Texans maybe? It depends who is available.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-08-2009, 01:00 AM
Honestly, I'd watch out for San Francisco at the #10 pick. I expect them to go defense and if I had to bet whether Singletary would push for a secondary player (Taylor Mays?) or a front seven guy, I'd go with the latter. Singletary has already said that you can't have enough pass rushers and his hybrid defense could certainly use one.

toonsterwu
01-08-2009, 02:21 AM
It was a good decision on Everette's part. This is, IMO, a weak DE class at the top (I'm not huge on Orakpo, who everyone seemingly loves). Depending on his workouts, I could see Everette in the top 10, if not with a shot at top 5. At worst, I think he should be a first rounder, assuming nothing drastic happens.

toonsterwu
01-08-2009, 02:23 AM
Honestly, I'd watch out for San Francisco at the #10 pick. I expect them to go defense and if I had to bet whether Singletary would push for a secondary player (Taylor Mays?) or a front seven guy, I'd go with the latter. Singletary has already said that you can't have enough pass rushers and his hybrid defense could certainly use one.

Definitely a possibility. I just wonder, though, with signs of development from Haralson and Lawson, if they wait a round perhaps. That said, depends on who is on the board. They definitely could use Mays, and a Michael Crabtree wouldn't be the worst idea out there (although I think betting money would be defense).

Paranoidmoonduck
01-08-2009, 02:26 AM
I also agree in as much that I'm not as hot on Orakpo as some. You know he's talented and I have less misgivings about him than I did about Gholston last time around, but that doesn't say a whole lot. Brown seems to oscillate a bit in terms of effort, but there's so much there to like. Considering the way the top of this draft looks, one of the defensive ends slipping into the top 5 seems very possible, and I'm not sure Orakpo has as much of a leg up as some believe.

Menardo75
01-08-2009, 02:33 AM
I think the only way San Fran takes Brown is if the top three Ot's are off the board, and Mays is off the board. I don't doubt they will adress the pass rush sometime in the draft though.

goonies07
01-08-2009, 08:03 PM
Don't the Jets already have Calvin Pace, Bryan Thomas and Vernon Gholston?

The last thing they need is another 3-4 outside linebacker.

bryan thomas is not a starting calibur 34 OLB. He had a hot start in the first 4-5 games of the season, but after that, was virtually invisible.

I think Gholston will improve in his second year. However, he didn't do much at all this year and who knows if we'll be able to depend on him to give us production at OLB this year.

besides pace, right now we have no other real pass rushing OLBs. It doesn't hurt adding more pass-rushing OLBs to a 34 defense, especially when a 34 defense needs pass rushers like the jets, no matter how many OLBs we already have.

keylime_5
01-08-2009, 08:11 PM
I think the only way San Fran takes Brown is if the top three Ot's are off the board, and Mays is off the board. I don't doubt they will adress the pass rush sometime in the draft though.

Well Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe aren't very ideal right tackles. Definitely not ideal enough to spend a top ten pick on so that they can play right tackle. Oher could be a good right tackle, but his stock is slipping and I don't expect him to sniff the top ten. Mays is overrated, I wouldn't pass on a top pass rusher for him. I could see them taking Jenkins b/c of the value of that pick if he fell, and I could see them taking Curry to play TED next to Willis...but I think Brown is gonna be higher on their board than the guys you mentioned.

Malaka
01-08-2009, 09:23 PM
Well Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe aren't very ideal right tackles. Definitely not ideal enough to spend a top ten pick on so that they can play right tackle. Oher could be a good right tackle, but his stock is slipping and I don't expect him to sniff the top ten. Mays is overrated, I wouldn't pass on a top pass rusher for him. I could see them taking Jenkins b/c of the value of that pick if he fell, and I could see them taking Curry to play TED next to Willis...but I think Brown is gonna be higher on their board than the guys you mentioned.

Jason Smith/Eugene Monroe would stay at LT, and Staley would move back to his more natural RT position, so drafting an OT, is very big possibility for the 49ers.

keylime_5
01-08-2009, 09:39 PM
Is Staley really a better fit at right tackle? I thought he was a guy known for being really quick for 300 lbs. with great feet and pass protecting skills that wasn't overly powerful, but is so mobile he can run block well if I remember from scouting him in 2006 and 2007. I always thought of him as a natural left tackle who could play right and not the other way around.

Malaka
01-08-2009, 09:43 PM
Is Staley really a better fit at right tackle? I thought he was a guy known for being really quick for 300 lbs. with great feet and pass protecting skills that wasn't overly powerful, but is so mobile he can run block well if I remember from scouting him in 2006 and 2007. I always thought of him as a natural left tackle who could play right and not the other way around.

Well he has played very well at LT, but he can be even better at RT, he is quite powerful, and has great footwork, but he is a much better run blocker than he is a pass blocker, with him at RT, and an excellent pass blocker like Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, or even quite possibly Michael Oher (who could also be very good at RT).

Habibi
01-08-2009, 10:06 PM
I think the only way San Fran takes Brown is if the top three Ot's are off the board, and Mays is off the board. I don't doubt they will adress the pass rush sometime in the draft though.

There is absolutely no way the 49ers take an OT tenth overall. Joe Staley has been lights out at LT. If it's not Stafford at 10 it's gonna be Brown.

Habibi
01-08-2009, 10:08 PM
Well he has played very well at LT, but he can be even better at RT, he is quite powerful, and has great footwork, but he is a much better run blocker than he is a pass blocker, with him at RT, and an excellent pass blocker like Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, or even quite possibly Michael Oher (who could also be very good at RT).

No, he can't. He's a much better LT than he'd be RT.

AkiliSmith
01-08-2009, 10:59 PM
There is absolutely no way the 49ers take an OT tenth overall. Joe Staley has been lights out at LT. If it's not Stafford at 10 it's gonna be Brown.
55 sacks given up (worst in the NFL) says otherwise

will99890
01-09-2009, 12:32 AM
Huge fan of his. I feel he is the most balanced pass rusher in the draft except for Hardy possibly. Fast enough to be at the very least serviceable in coverage as a 3-4 backer. Surprisingly strong with a good balance of inside and speed moves.

Yea I think Everette Brown is definitely a possibility at 10. I'd say theres a 90% chance we go defense in the first round. IMO we couldn't go wrong with any of the top defensive prospects this year. Mays, Brown, Orakpo, Jenkins, Maualuga or Curry (highly doubt he falls here) would all be great picks. RT isn't the toughest position to fill so round 2 is more likely. Loadhoalt is a possibility.

My very early prediction: Everette Brown goes at 10 to San Fran. I feel he is the most balanced pass rusher in the draft except for Hardy possibly.

Habibi
01-09-2009, 12:32 AM
55 sacks given up (worst in the NFL) says otherwise

Those were primarily because of Martz's system that requires QBs to make seven-step drops. That was a recipe for disaster because JT O'Sullivan was absolutely dismal at deciphering defenses and getting rid of the football. Joe Staley gave up exactly one sack in the second half of the season since Shaun Hill started, and completely shutout some of the NFL's best rushers in Ware, Porter, and Berry.

SenorGato
01-09-2009, 12:41 AM
bryan thomas is not a starting calibur 34 OLB. He had a hot start in the first 4-5 games of the season, but after that, was virtually invisible.

I think Gholston will improve in his second year. However, he didn't do much at all this year and who knows if we'll be able to depend on him to give us production at OLB this year.

besides pace, right now we have no other real pass rushing OLBs. It doesn't hurt adding more pass-rushing OLBs to a 34 defense, especially when a 34 defense needs pass rushers like the jets, no matter how many OLBs we already have.

Exactly.

No such thing as too many pass rushers. Plus, I think Everette Brown can be a DeMarcus Ware tyle guy who makes himself a good linebacker too.

John Gaunt
01-09-2009, 12:57 AM
As a Niner fan I want to see them take Brown with their first pick.

Menardo75
01-09-2009, 01:07 AM
With how deep this draft is at o-line it can probably wait till the second round. I think Taylor Mays has to be the pick.

AntoinCD
01-10-2009, 06:47 AM
What I really like about Brown is that sometimes when he pass rushes all he does is duck under the tackle. Somehow he manages to get so low but still run full speed. And he done a great spin move against VT that reminded me of Dwight Freeney

toonsterwu
01-10-2009, 08:11 AM
I really, really wouldn't rule out say ... Everette Brown at 3. It feels like the Chiefs job is Pioli's if he wants it. Who knows, though. They've kept things under wrap. That said, if it is Pioli, I don't know how sold I would be on them going Stafford. Bradford feels, IMO, more like a Pioli pick, but there stands a chance that he's off.

So, what else? I guess a "pure" LB is a thought, with Aaron Curry topping the list. Is Malcolm Jenkins a top 5 pick? I don't think so, although some do. I don't really see another offensive lineman with their first, as there are so many other needs and Albert looks solid at LT, and WR/TE can wait. If it is Pioli, I don't see RB there.

Not saying it will be Everette, but if he has a stellar workout, don't rule it out, particularly if it is Pioli.

keylime_5
01-10-2009, 10:01 AM
Chiefs I think simply take QB or Crabtree. That's gonna be the best value. I dont think there's gonna be any DEs who can go in the top 3 without it being a major reach. If STL passes on Smith and KC really likes him I could see that match too.

PossibleCabbage
01-10-2009, 02:35 PM
I haven't personally seen much of Brown, but from what I can tell people are pretty high on him. What makes us so sure that he won't just join a long line of FSU DEs that fizzled in the pros? I mean, it's not entirely fair to hold those other guys against him (Brown had nothing to do with it), but doesn't it make you wonder about that team, scheme, or level of competition making DEs look better than they are?

Coming from a fan of a team who both 1) Needs a DE and 2) Drafted Jamal Reynolds in the top 10, I'm a little bit worried about Brown.

Ho0k Em'
01-10-2009, 02:48 PM
Chiefs I think simply take QB or Crabtree. That's gonna be the best value. I dont think there's gonna be any DEs who can go in the top 3 without it being a major reach. If STL passes on Smith and KC really likes him I could see that match too.

I think there is a very good chance we go defense with the #3 pick. DE is our biggest need by far followed by MLB. It's not this draft is particularly strong at the top so I wouldn't consider it much of a reach for either Brown or Orakpo.

keylime_5
01-10-2009, 03:14 PM
I hear Orakpo won't go as high as Brown from some people who know their stuff, and very likely not top 3. I could see them taking Curry, but when's the last time a team took a guy to play middle linebacker or even sam linebacker in a 4-3 with a top 3 pick? I don't see them passing up Stafford or Bradford or Crabtree for Curry, though I certainly wouldn't rule it out completely.

toonsterwu
01-10-2009, 03:32 PM
Chiefs I think simply take QB or Crabtree. That's gonna be the best value. I dont think there's gonna be any DEs who can go in the top 3 without it being a major reach. If STL passes on Smith and KC really likes him I could see that match too.

QB is definitely an option, but Crabtree there? I'll be a tad surprised. With so many needs, do they need a WR there, when Bowe was solid, and Crabtree is in a similar mold to Bowe? And ... if the offense is a McDaniels type offense, I think they'll be looking for the quick, cut guys.

toonsterwu
01-10-2009, 03:33 PM
I hear Orakpo won't go as high as Brown from some people who know their stuff, and very likely not top 3. I could see them taking Curry, but when's the last time a team took a guy to play middle linebacker or even sam linebacker in a 4-3 with a top 3 pick? I don't see them passing up Stafford or Bradford or Crabtree for Curry, though I certainly wouldn't rule it out completely.

As noted somewhere, I think Orakpo is getting overhyped. I think he's more a mid-late first, but we'll have to see how things shake. I think Brown has a solid top 10 shot, with a borderline top 5 shot.

Really a side note on the QB's - Do people see Stafford as a Pioli type pick? I'm not sure I see it. Bradford, yes. Stafford? I'm not sure. In saying all that, obviously, we aren't sure if it is Pioli, and even then, we would need to know who the HC was.

toonsterwu
01-10-2009, 03:35 PM
I haven't personally seen much of Brown, but from what I can tell people are pretty high on him. What makes us so sure that he won't just join a long line of FSU DEs that fizzled in the pros? I mean, it's not entirely fair to hold those other guys against him (Brown had nothing to do with it), but doesn't it make you wonder about that team, scheme, or level of competition making DEs look better than they are?

Coming from a fan of a team who both 1) Needs a DE and 2) Drafted Jamal Reynolds in the top 10, I'm a little bit worried about Brown.

I don't think Everette Brown excels in all schemes, but I think he has a better first step than a lot of recent Florida State DE vintage. I think his best shot is as a rush backer, though.

adschofield
01-10-2009, 06:04 PM
Toonster, why do you like Brown more than Orakpo? Where does Hardy fit into all of this?

adschofield
01-10-2009, 06:05 PM
As noted somewhere, I think Orakpo is getting overhyped. I think he's more a mid-late first, but we'll have to see how things shake. I think Brown has a solid top 10 shot, with a borderline top 5 shot.

Really a side note on the QB's - Do people see Stafford as a Pioli type pick? I'm not sure I see it. Bradford, yes. Stafford? I'm not sure. In saying all that, obviously, we aren't sure if it is Stafford, and even then, we would need to know who the HC was.

Why wouldn't Stafford be a Pioli type pick?

keylime_5
01-10-2009, 06:25 PM
I think Bradford seems more like a guy Pioli would prefer too, but it might depend on who he would hire as the head coach and what type of offensive sytsem that guy ran. If it was an offense like what Schottenheimer and his disciples do then Stafford for sure, if it's more of a New England type or WCO then Bradford most likely. Then again, Stafford might just be too good to pass up, his upside is so high. Knowing the Patriots tendencies however, they always draft to fill needs, so E.Brown could go that high even if he really shouldn't.

toonsterwu
01-10-2009, 08:24 PM
Toonster, why do you like Brown more than Orakpo? Where does Hardy fit into all of this?

I think Brown is the better pure pass rusher. I think Orakpo is a more complete 2-way guy, but if I'm drafting that high, I want that pure pass rusher. I could see Hardy in the first as well, depending on workouts/interviews. As noted, I haven't followed as much this year, but I liked Hardy last year, and from the little that I've followed, I don't think my mind would have changed much.

toonsterwu
01-10-2009, 08:27 PM
Why wouldn't Stafford be a Pioli type pick?

My instinct says that Pioli prefers more disciplined guys, guys willing to stick within the system. If you are a gambler, you are always going to gamble a little.

For the Chiefs (you are a Chiefs fan, right?), I still think that, if Pioli lands in KC (and it sure feels like his HC pick would be Ferentz), that Pioli will make a run at Cassel, assuming Brady is healthy enough to go at the start of the year. That said, I don't think the Pats fork over Cassel unless they get some sort of 2nd round value in a package. I think it is worth it for the Chiefs, as I like what I've seen out of Matt, but that'd be my instinctual guess on what Pioli would do (and that he would try to deal down from 3, but well, who wouldn't this day and age).

adschofield
01-10-2009, 09:06 PM
My instinct says that Pioli prefers more disciplined guys, guys willing to stick within the system. If you are a gambler, you are always going to gamble a little.

For the Chiefs (you are a Chiefs fan, right?), I still think that, if Pioli lands in KC (and it sure feels like his HC pick would be Ferentz), that Pioli will make a run at Cassel, assuming Brady is healthy enough to go at the start of the year. That said, I don't think the Pats fork over Cassel unless they get some sort of 2nd round value in a package. I think it is worth it for the Chiefs, as I like what I've seen out of Matt, but that'd be my instinctual guess on what Pioli would do (and that he would try to deal down from 3, but well, who wouldn't this day and age).

Yeah, I'm a Chiefs...I can see what you're saying...IDK if Pioli ends up in KC, but I could seeing him going after Cassel if he does.

Could Brown play in both the 3-4 and 4-3?

I think it's going to be near impossible to trade down this year from one of the top picks considering the depth of this class.

keylime_5
01-10-2009, 10:20 PM
Well with Crabtree likely being the head and shoulders above the rest top WR prospect I think Jacksonville is gonna really try hard to trade up to get him, and KC is in the prime spot for a trade with some1 who wants Crabtree. Pioli and the Pats did trade down last year in the top ten picks in order to fill a need and get their guy.

LonghornsLegend
01-10-2009, 10:35 PM
I agree about Brown's pass rushing skills, that's why I like him in a 3-4 where his skills can be utilized the most...As I've said all along it depends on which team pulls the trigger on who, but I think Brown's chances of being a bust increases if he ends up in a 4-3, and as others have pointed out history certainly isn't on his side.

derza222
01-13-2009, 01:59 PM
I wonder if Brown gets a long look if he's available at #6. Marvin supposedly really wanted Hardy last year and they've got a little bit of money in their ends but could really use a pass rusher in Cincinnati. Depending on what they think of their offensive tackles, who's available, and what end they like the most of course, but based on who they've liked in the past it seems like Brown really fits the mold of what the Bengals have been looking for in an end.

Dark Knight01
01-14-2009, 08:02 PM
I think Brown will get a look from the Raiders as well at #7.

It will come down between an OT, WR, or pass rushing DE for Oakland with the #7 pick.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-14-2009, 08:04 PM
Well with Crabtree likely being the head and shoulders above the rest top WR prospect I think Jacksonville is gonna really try hard to trade up to get him, and KC is in the prime spot for a trade with some1 who wants Crabtree. Pioli and the Pats did trade down last year in the top ten picks in order to fill a need and get their guy.

I'd be surprised if the Jags make another big first round trade. Unless Pioli's price is well below the typical rate.