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CC.SD
01-06-2009, 03:09 PM
http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2009/01/chargers_player_arrested_for_d.html

I know a lot of people are expecting some kind of homerish defense, but if you've read my rantings against Leonard Little and Jared Allen, you'll know that my personal belief through experience is a zero tolerance policy for this crime. I honestly don't want to see Jackson in a Charger uniform ever again. I'll have more thoughts on this later, but for now here's the link, it's confirmed. I'm truly disgusted.

"Chargers player arrested for DUI

San Diego Chargers' wide receiver Vincent Jackson was arrested on suspicion of drunken driving early this morning.

Jackson was booked into county jail on a misdemeanor charge and released by 6 a.m., a spokesman with the Sheriff's Department said.

Jackson was team's second-leading receiver this year with 59 catches and he led the team with 1,098 yards. He also had 7 TDs.

The Chargers face off against the Pittsburgh Steelers in a divisional playoff game at 1:45 p.m. Sunday.

MetSox17
01-06-2009, 03:11 PM
I'd love for you to be a GM in the NFC East.

Strongside
01-06-2009, 03:13 PM
For once, I'm happy that Goodell is the commish. Do your stuff Goodell, one less weapon for us to worry about

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
01-06-2009, 03:13 PM
how stupid are NFL players?? its so funny how you get paid all that money and cant pay someone to be your driver lol now the nfl will suspend him for a game and he will miss the biggest game of his season. Im sure steelers fans are happy

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 03:20 PM
is it only suspicion?

Forenci
01-06-2009, 03:31 PM
If he really was (and not suspicion like GOW mentioned) then he needs to be suspended for the Steelers game.

I was VERY upset the Giants didn't suspend Kareem McKenzie for a game when he got his DUI. Even though Kareem is a great guy and was super regretful (and I believe him about it) he still needed to be suspended for a game.

People don't realize just how dangerous this is. Everytime you do it you can get somebody killed, or even yourself doing it. Needs to be a mandatory one game suspension in my opinion and not always a team decision.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
01-06-2009, 03:33 PM
yea i agree a suspension for the steelers game should be his punishment i know its a big game but drinking and driving is serious. even though i do it lol maybe i shouldnt be allowed to watch the steelers game lol

yourfavestoner
01-06-2009, 03:44 PM
remember guys, three or four beers is enough to put you over .08. "legally drunk" is not the same thing as "drunk."

CC.SD
01-06-2009, 03:47 PM
I agree, except I think he should be suspended forever. Beyond the horrific, monstrously beyond selfish action that even stepping into a vehicle while intoxicated entails, the fact that he does it during the playoffs is just sickening.

I have to raise my eyebrow about a 3am arrest and a 6am release; this is probably the detail that will get him to dodge a suspension in the organization's eyes.

Ugh. Floyd should be back this week at least. VJ can go crawl in a hole somewhere.

Honestly these pro athletes are treated their whole lives like they are the center of the entire universe, it is inconceivable to them that there are other people around them, living their own lives. Guess what, being drunk behind the wheel turns you into a KILLING MACHINE and for what reason? Why is it so important to these rich bastards that they drive their own car? Hire a cab you jerkoff: it's not about money, or how you look, or prestige, take a cab because there is a significantly lower chance that you won't murder someone.

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 03:51 PM
Teams practice during the week until Tursday usually. What's he doing going out drinking when he has practice in the morning

yourfavestoner
01-06-2009, 03:58 PM
I agree, except I think he should be suspended forever. Beyond the horrific, monstrously beyond selfish action that even stepping into a vehicle while intoxicated entails, the fact that he does it during the playoffs is just sickening.

I have to raise my eyebrow about a 3am arrest and a 6am release; this is probably the detail that will get him to dodge a suspension in the organization's eyes.

Ugh. Floyd should be back this week at least. VJ can go crawl in a hole somewhere.

Honestly these pro athletes are treated their whole lives like they are the center of the entire universe, it is inconceivable to them that there are other people around them, living their own lives. Guess what, being drunk behind the wheel turns you into a KILLING MACHINE and for what reason? Why is it so important to these rich bastards that they drive their own car? Hire a cab you jerkoff: it's not about money, or how you look, or prestige, take a cab because there is a significantly lower chance that you won't murder someone.

really riding the high horse today, aren't we?

Xonraider
01-06-2009, 04:00 PM
Yo Vincent, if you're not accepted again up there, come down here to Oakland! The QB is almost your size!

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 04:03 PM
I agree, except I think he should be suspended forever. Beyond the horrific, monstrously beyond selfish action that even stepping into a vehicle while intoxicated entails, the fact that he does it during the playoffs is just sickening.

I have to raise my eyebrow about a 3am arrest and a 6am release; this is probably the detail that will get him to dodge a suspension in the organization's eyes.

Ugh. Floyd should be back this week at least. VJ can go crawl in a hole somewhere.

Honestly these pro athletes are treated their whole lives like they are the center of the entire universe, it is inconceivable to them that there are other people around them, living their own lives. Guess what, being drunk behind the wheel turns you into a KILLING MACHINE and for what reason? Why is it so important to these rich bastards that they drive their own car? Hire a cab you jerkoff: it's not about money, or how you look, or prestige, take a cab because there is a significantly lower chance that you won't murder someone.

Forever? We're not talking about a guy with a rap sheet like Pac Man Jones here. I will bet he gets no punishment this season while details are still coming out and may end up suspended for the first game of 2009.

Crickett
01-06-2009, 04:07 PM
I agree, except I think he should be suspended forever. Beyond the horrific, monstrously beyond selfish action that even stepping into a vehicle while intoxicated entails, the fact that he does it during the playoffs is just sickening.

I have to raise my eyebrow about a 3am arrest and a 6am release; this is probably the detail that will get him to dodge a suspension in the organization's eyes.

Ugh. Floyd should be back this week at least. VJ can go crawl in a hole somewhere.

Honestly these pro athletes are treated their whole lives like they are the center of the entire universe, it is inconceivable to them that there are other people around them, living their own lives. Guess what, being drunk behind the wheel turns you into a KILLING MACHINE and for what reason? Why is it so important to these rich bastards that they drive their own car? Hire a cab you jerkoff: it's not about money, or how you look, or prestige, take a cab because there is a significantly lower chance that you won't murder someone.


http://www.artwww.net/mcarney/images/High%20Horse.jpg

I think you'll be needing this. Punished yes, suspended forever? Thats a bit far IMO.

bigbluedefense
01-06-2009, 04:07 PM
You know what the sad thing is?

we're calling for his head, but how many of you know a buddy or friend who did far worse after hammering some beers at the bar?

i think every single one of us knows at least one person guilty of doing this.



im not saying what he did was right, i thoroughly believe he should be punished for his behavior, all im saying is we should look ourselves in the mirror before we overreact to anything. half this board drove out of the bar once in their life after having 3 beers.

CC.SD
01-06-2009, 04:09 PM
http://www.artwww.net/mcarney/images/High%20Horse.jpg

I think you'll be needing this. Punished yes, suspended forever? Thats a bit far IMO.

Obviously he won't be suspended forever. But I'm not on a high horse, drunk driving is as serious as it gets. It's ruined countless families, and the NFL does not take it seriously enough. Not even my homer goggles give him an inch on this one. I feel the same way about every player stupid enough to do this.

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 04:10 PM
One of my superiors here got arrested for a DUI 2 nights ago with a loaded gun in his car.

yourfavestoner
01-06-2009, 04:11 PM
I agree, except I think he should be suspended forever. Beyond the horrific, monstrously beyond selfish action that even stepping into a vehicle while intoxicated entails, the fact that he does it during the playoffs is just sickening.

I have to raise my eyebrow about a 3am arrest and a 6am release; this is probably the detail that will get him to dodge a suspension in the organization's eyes.

Ugh. Floyd should be back this week at least. VJ can go crawl in a hole somewhere.

Honestly these pro athletes are treated their whole lives like they are the center of the entire universe, it is inconceivable to them that there are other people around them, living their own lives. Guess what, being drunk behind the wheel turns you into a KILLING MACHINE and for what reason? Why is it so important to these rich bastards that they drive their own car? Hire a cab you jerkoff: it's not about money, or how you look, or prestige, take a cab because there is a significantly lower chance that you won't murder someone.

really riding the high horse today, aren't we?

rockio42
01-06-2009, 04:11 PM
This really pissed me off, mainly because he is my favortie WR in the NFL behind Torry Holt, but yea I have the idea of no tolerance on this stuff too; i was calling for Leonard Little's release from the team when he was caught driving drunk

The Unseen
01-06-2009, 04:17 PM
really riding the high horse today, aren't we?

really stoned today, aren't we?

yourfavestoner
01-06-2009, 04:22 PM
sorry I keep double posting. I have no computer out here so I have to use my phone for internet.

bigbluedefense
01-06-2009, 04:26 PM
you're severely overestimating the age of half of this board.




on a sidenote that isn't directed at bbd in particular, "everybody did it" is a crappy defense for a horrific decision. if people can afford to go out drinking, they can afford to take a taxi home from the bar. or they can stay at a friend's house till morning. or if their decision making is that bad, they can stop drinking. i don't see how DUIs are in any way excusable. that said, i don't know that suspended for life is appropriate for what, i believe, is a first time offense. if the guy is doing this every other day? yeah. throw him out. send him to prison for a year and then rehab for a few years after that.

oh definitely. i just want to clarify that i don't condone what he did in anyway. nor do i think its not a serious offense.

i don't drink alcohol (not that this matters to my argument), and ive worked in customer retail for a long time in my teens. ive seen countless turds drive home wasted beyond belief, and it doesn't sit well with me at all.

i guess what im trying to say is, i wish society itself was treated with the same criticism that NFL players get, if that makes any sense. im not trying to get all philosophical here, but thats how i feel about it. if more people called for the average joe to lose his job when he drives drunk, we'd have a lot less drunks on the road.

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 04:27 PM
Where Jackson really screwed up is the fact that he's currently on probation for a prior DUI

Twiddler
01-06-2009, 04:28 PM
As others have said, I think this is a serious matter but I think you're (OP) overreacting on this one. The man made a mistake, granted its incredibly stupid and selfish mistake in my opinion, but to say he should never play on the Chargers again is pretty outlandish.

EDIT: Now seeing that he's had a prior DUI offense, I'm not exactly against "throwing the book" at him. If he's stupid enough to get a second DUI in a playoff week, then I don't know what to think.

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 04:29 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_CHARGERS_JACKSON_DUI?SITE=CADIU&SECTION=SPORTS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Here's a better article about it

CC.SD
01-06-2009, 04:38 PM
You know what the sad thing is?

we're calling for his head, but how many of you know a buddy or friend who did far worse after hammering some beers at the bar?

i think every single one of us knows at least one person guilty of doing this.



im not saying what he did was right, i thoroughly believe he should be punished for his behavior, all im saying is we should look ourselves in the mirror before we overreact to anything. half this board drove out of the bar once in their life after having 3 beers.

This is true, it's just a sad fact of life. I'm as guilty as a lot of people in this regard, especially when I was in college, which is a mindset I think a lot of NFL players never outgrow. It doesn't make it right, or responsible, and it only takes one incident to switch filters on your whole life. The problem is no one thinks about these things, everybody thinks they're invincible, until they are not.

I love Jackson as a player, he has really turned on the lightswitch. This is extremely disappointing.

Forenci
01-06-2009, 05:02 PM
you're severely overestimating the age of half of this board.




on a sidenote that isn't directed at bbd in particular, "everybody did it" is a crappy defense for a horrific decision. if people can afford to go out drinking, they can afford to take a taxi home from the bar. or they can stay at a friend's house till morning. or if their decision making is that bad, they can stop drinking. i don't see how DUIs are in any way excusable. that said, i don't know that suspended for life is appropriate for what, i believe, is a first time offense. if the guy is doing this every other day? yeah. throw him out. send him to prison for a year and then rehab for a few years after that.

I completely agree with pretty much everything you said in this post.

There is absolutely no excuse to be drinking and driving. If you're going to drink then you should have an idea of how to get home that doesn't include driving a vehicle yourself. It's really not that hard. Anyone who thinks it is either too lazy or too dumb. ESPECIALLY if you're an athlete. Get a limo, hire a driver to get you around, just bring a friend along who you KNOW will not drink, or call a taxi.

Now I certainly don't think if you get do it only once you should be 'banned from the league' like CC.SD said. People do make mistakes, even bad ones like drinking and driving, but people do deserves second chances.

I'm not saying I don't know people who haven't done it before but I make sure I let them know what they did wasn't right (as we all should, imo). If a friend ever calls me up and they're too drunk to drive themselves I'll do my damned best to make sure I can give them a ride, get somebody to give them a ride, or call them a taxi.

It's not some moral pompous argument that can be debated whether it's right or wrong. If you drink, you can kill somebody or yourself without ever meaning to. It happens far too often and is so easily avoidable, which is the saddest part of it all.

giantsfan
01-06-2009, 05:14 PM
I wonder what he blew. DUI's are blown out of proportion all the time, especially with famous people.

People don't realize just how dangerous this is. Everytime you do it you can get somebody killed, or even yourself doing it. Needs to be a mandatory one game suspension in my opinion and not always a team decision.

Everytime you get behind the wheel you can get somebody killed, or even yourself doing it. Especially with how anyone with a pulse gets a license in this country, you don't even know how to drive to get a license. not saying driving hammered is a good thing, just that it's overblown a lot. I'm freaking barely buzzed after 4 beers yet would be given a DUI. Now a Football player, a guy that size, you know how much he'd have to drink to actually not be able to drive? I'm 6' 210 and it takes me 4-5 beers to even get a good buzz going, Vincent Jackson's what 6'5 240?

There's a big difference between being over .08 and being more unsafe than normal as long as you drive extra carefully to account for your altered state and make sure you don't get distracted. **** I'm certain that I'm a safer driver while impaired than while sober, because while sober I drive like a total ass yet once I'm not sober I ton it down to within 5 of the speed limit and keep big gaps.

giantsfan
01-06-2009, 05:20 PM
Where Jackson really screwed up is the fact that he's currently on probation for a prior DUI

Oh, that's different. I've got no problem with someone driving buzzed and being a first time offender, if he's still on freaking probation for a previous DUI though he's just ********.

yourfavestoner
01-06-2009, 05:23 PM
really stoned today, aren't we?

unfortunately I'm not at all. I'm in jacksonville right now, flying into miami tomorrow to go to the NC game. you need to help me find weed immediately before I go crazy and kill a redneck.

giantsfan
01-06-2009, 05:30 PM
unfortunately I'm not at all. I'm in jacksonville right now, flying into miami tomorrow to go to the NC game. you need to help me find weed immediately before I go crazy and kill a redneck.

I've got the same damn problem in Keystone, CO. Luckily I'm going to be home tomorrow and my Dragon is already packed and waiting for me.

LonghornsLegend
01-06-2009, 05:33 PM
Isn't VJ a Free Agent this off-season? Bad timing for all of this, maybe it lowers his price value but I still doubt the Chargers let him walk.

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 05:34 PM
I've got the same damn problem in Keystone, CO. Luckily I'm going to be home tomorrow and my Dragon is already packed and waiting for me.
ur 14, stop talking like ur 21 :D

TimD
01-06-2009, 05:47 PM
haha if he is really 14 then LOL. and whats a dragon?

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 05:48 PM
damn i think i confused him with Malaka

TimD
01-06-2009, 05:51 PM
oh haha okay. that would have been priceless if he was 14

not saying that 14 year olds don't smoke, but it would have been more likely the case of him trying to be "cool" haha

TimD
01-06-2009, 05:52 PM
but seriously whats a dragon. im pretty knowledgeable in that type of thing and i don't recall ever hearing of it.

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 05:52 PM
I wonder what he blew. DUI's are blown out of proportion all the time, especially with famous people.



Everytime you get behind the wheel you can get somebody killed, or even yourself doing it. Especially with how anyone with a pulse gets a license in this country, you don't even know how to drive to get a license. not saying driving hammered is a good thing, just that it's overblown a lot. I'm freaking barely buzzed after 4 beers yet would be given a DUI. Now a Football player, a guy that size, you know how much he'd have to drink to actually not be able to drive? I'm 6' 210 and it takes me 4-5 beers to even get a good buzz going, Vincent Jackson's what 6'5 240?

There's a big difference between being over .08 and being more unsafe than normal as long as you drive extra carefully to account for your altered state and make sure you don't get distracted. **** I'm certain that I'm a safer driver while impaired than while sober, because while sober I drive like a total ass yet once I'm not sober I ton it down to within 5 of the speed limit and keep big gaps.
who the **** cares if he gets a buzz or not. The Law says 0.8. And thats finito.

San Diego Chicken
01-06-2009, 05:57 PM
This really is just sad. It's the last thing the team needs going into the biggest game of the season, but moreover, it's sad that someone as (book) smart as Vincent has to learn the hard way for the 2nd time. I don't know why you're out on Monday night drinking anyway. If you lose on Sunday, you've got the entire offseason to get blasted.

No excuse for this in my mind, especially coming off of the no-show that he had against Indy. This really has soured me on Vincent, maybe for good. It's an awful situation because the team NEEDS him this weekend, but he'd rather be out drinking and putting others at risk.

yourfavestoner
01-06-2009, 06:01 PM
who the **** cares if he gets a buzz or not. The Law says 0.8. And thats finito.

just because something is illegal doesn't mean that its necessarily wrong. is it wrong to get in a car and drive while being completely inebriated? absolutely. what about driving home after having a few beers? that's a much larger gray area, but they're one in the same according to the law. and i'm no longer defending jackson because he was already on probation for a prior DUI. I'm really just arguing for the sake of argument.

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 06:05 PM
just because something is illegal doesn't mean that its necessarily wrong. is it wrong to get in a car and drive while being completely inebriated? absolutely. what about driving home after having a few beers? that's a much larger gray area, but they're one in the same according to the law. and i'm no longer defending jackson because he was already on probation for a prior DUI. I'm really just arguing for the sake of argument.
whats wrong and right is moral. Its different for every single one of us, and morally, u can argue every side. but in our society, illegal and legal is the right and wrong. the Right things to do and the wrong things to do.

I be no means judge and say what would/should be better. The law says 0.8. And no matter how u turn it, its against the law and therefore what he did is wrong since he is supposed to follow the law

Forenci
01-06-2009, 06:05 PM
I wonder what he blew. DUI's are blown out of proportion all the time, especially with famous people.



Everytime you get behind the wheel you can get somebody killed, or even yourself doing it. Especially with how anyone with a pulse gets a license in this country, you don't even know how to drive to get a license. not saying driving hammered is a good thing, just that it's overblown a lot. I'm freaking barely buzzed after 4 beers yet would be given a DUI. Now a Football player, a guy that size, you know how much he'd have to drink to actually not be able to drive? I'm 6' 210 and it takes me 4-5 beers to even get a good buzz going, Vincent Jackson's what 6'5 240?

There's a big difference between being over .08 and being more unsafe than normal as long as you drive extra carefully to account for your altered state and make sure you don't get distracted. **** I'm certain that I'm a safer driver while impaired than while sober, because while sober I drive like a total ass yet once I'm not sober I ton it down to within 5 of the speed limit and keep big gaps.

That is complete and utter load of ****. If you're saying you drive better drunk then you're obviously too arrogant (like a lot of people who drink and drive) to realize that you're in some way impaired. It doesn't matter how tall or what you weigh, a couple of beers will impair your judgement, reaction, etc. (no matter how small that impairment might be) whether you think you feel it physically or not is not the point. If you want to tell yourself that it doesn't do anything to make yourself feel better, then go ahead.

It is NOT overblown, in fact I think people like you show just how under emphasized and dangerous it really is. That and the fact people still continue to do it regardless of how bad it is.

Every time you get behind the wheel you can get someone killed? Well no **** Sherlock. But if you're drunk and under the influence of alcohol then your chances of killing yourself or someone are only further increased whilst driving drunk. So lets get all those people who do get a licence and don't deserve it drunk in addition to be a horrible driver, that sounds like a plan. Whether they get a drivers licence or not despite being a bad driver it will only be worse if they drink whilst doing it.

God, I can't stand when people make these arrogant statements and have no ******* clue what they're talking about.

CashmoneyDrew
01-06-2009, 06:08 PM
hard to blame you if you're stuck in jacksonville for a while. not a fan of that city, to put it lightly.

I bet Jacksonville can't hold Memphis' jock. I hate that city with a passion. Sorry if anyone here has ties to that city but bad experiences have soured me on it.

steelersfan43
01-06-2009, 06:09 PM
That is complete and utter load of ****. If you're saying you drive better drunk then you're obviously too arrogant (like a lot of people who drink and drive) to realize that you're in some way impaired. It doesn't matter how tall or what you weigh, a couple of beers will impair your judgement, reaction, etc. (no matter how small that impairment might be) whether you think you feel it physically or not is not the point. If you want to tell yourself that it doesn't do anything to make yourself feel better, then go ahead.

It is NOT overblown, in fact I think people like you show just how under emphasized and dangerous it really is. That and the fact people still continue to do it regardless of how bad it is.

Every time you get behind the wheel you can get someone killed? Well no **** Sherlock. But if you're drunk and under the influence of alcohol then your chances of killing yourself or someone are only further increased whilst driving drunk. So lets get all those people who do get a licence and don't deserve it drunk in addition to be a horrible driver, that sounds like a plan. Whether they get a drivers licence or not despite being a bad driver it will only be worse if they drink whilst doing it.

God, I can't stand when people make these arrogant statements and have no ******* clue what they're talking about.

Thank you, I was just about to tell him the same crap. I hate it when people say they drive better when they are slightly drunk, no sorry your ********.

badgerbacker
01-06-2009, 06:11 PM
Obviously this is a shame and terrible timing for him, but wow...a little bit of an overreaction on many of your parts, in my opinion. Yes, many people are killed because of drunk drivers and we all agree that he is much more likely to get in an accident when he's drunk. However, it doesn't appear as though he killed anybody and doesn't even say that he was speeding.

Please don't yell at me because I'm not condoning drunk driving...it is terrible. Let's just hear the details before we do our overreacting. You can't punish somebody for what could have happened.

Hamptorf
01-06-2009, 06:14 PM
That is complete and utter load of ****. If you're saying you drive better drunk then you're obviously too arrogant (like a lot of people who drink and drive) to realize that you're in some way impaired. It doesn't matter how tall or what you weigh, a couple of beers will impair your judgement, reaction, etc. (no matter how small that impairment might be) whether you think you feel it physically or not is not the point. If you want to tell yourself that it doesn't do anything to make yourself feel better, then go ahead.

It is NOT overblown, in fact I think people like you show just how under emphasized and dangerous it really is. That and the fact people still continue to do it regardless of how bad it is.

Every time you get behind the wheel you can get someone killed? Well no **** Sherlock. But if you're drunk and under the influence of alcohol then your chances of killing yourself or someone are only further increased whilst driving drunk. So lets get all those people who do get a licence and don't deserve it drunk in addition to be a horrible driver, that sounds like a plan. Whether they get a drivers licence or not despite being a bad driver it will only be worse if they drink whilst doing it.

God, I can't stand when people make these arrogant statements and have no ******* clue what they're talking about.


Forenci is completely correct

It just amazes me how some people can be so ignorant about things like this

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 06:23 PM
I bet Jacksonville can't hold Memphis' jock. I hate that city with a passion. Sorry if anyone here has ties to that city but bad experiences have soured me on it.

I stayed right outside memphis for a night once. I stopped because the billboard advertised the rooms as 24.99 a night. I know why it was so cheap. The guy at the desk was drinking a 40 behind bullet proof glass and an hour after I got my room, a random person walked into my room because the front desk assigned him to the same room as me. Creepiest and Scariest moment of my life as the guy asks if we can just share the room since it was late.

TimD
01-06-2009, 06:27 PM
haha thats ridiculous

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 06:28 PM
one of the few states i haven't been to. although no doubt it doesn't hold a candle to philadelphia or the vast majority of new jersey. which will probably piss plenty of people off.



don't see how that's relevant. we're punishing him for what DID happen. a DUI. which is a fairly grievous offense, so far as "victim-less crimes" go.
idk whats with people, i personally didnt think Jersey was that bad

Hamptorf
01-06-2009, 06:28 PM
I stayed right outside memphis for a night once. I stopped because the billboard advertised the rooms as 24.99 a night. I know why it was so cheap. The guy at the desk was drinking a 40 behind bullet proof glass and an hour after I got my room, a random person walked into my room because the front desk assigned him to the same room as me. Creepiest and Scariest moment of my life as the guy asks if we can just share the room since it was late.

Memphis is a rough city....nuff said

Jacksonville's is a much kinder gentler place

CashmoneyDrew
01-06-2009, 06:29 PM
I stayed right outside memphis for a night once. I stopped because the billboard advertised the rooms as 24.99 a night. I know why it was so cheap. The guy at the desk was drinking a 40 behind bullet proof glass and an hour after I got my room, a random person walked into my room because the front desk assigned him to the same room as me. Creepiest and Scariest moment of my life as the guy asks if we can just share the room since it was late.

Bahahaha! Yup, that sounds just like Memphis. To be honest I want to go ahead and give it to Arkansas. We could pay them to take that city. My roommate this semester from Memphis hates Memphis.

giantsfan
01-06-2009, 06:29 PM
but seriously whats a dragon. im pretty knowledgeable in that type of thing and i don't recall ever hearing of it.

It's a glass dragon statue, which also happens to be a steamroller. ;)

That is complete and utter load of ****. If you're saying you drive better drunk then you're obviously too arrogant (like a lot of people who drink and drive) to realize that you're in some way impaired. It doesn't matter how tall or what you weigh, a couple of beers will impair your judgement, reaction, etc. (no matter how small that impairment might be) whether you think you feel it physically or not is not the point. If you want to tell yourself that it doesn't do anything to make yourself feel better, then go ahead.

It is NOT overblown, in fact I think people like you show just how under emphasized and dangerous it really is. That and the fact people still continue to do it regardless of how bad it is.

Every time you get behind the wheel you can get someone killed? Well no **** Sherlock. But if you're drunk and under the influence of alcohol then your chances of killing yourself or someone are only further increased whilst driving drunk. So lets get all those people who do get a licence and don't deserve it drunk in addition to be a horrible driver, that sounds like a plan. Whether they get a drivers licence or not despite being a bad driver it will only be worse if they drink whilst doing it.

God, I can't stand when people make these arrogant statements and have no ******* clue what they're talking about.

I'm sorry but you have no idea what your talking about here. I'm extremely aggressive while driving sober, but once i'm the least bit impaired I'm driving at most 5 over keeping gaps and drive very defensively, because I haven't gotten a DUI yet and I don't intend to. I'm not saying my driving ability is better, it's clearly not, I'm just saying my driving style is much safer when not sober.

My point is that there are people who are good drivers, and those people when buzzed are much safer than the 4 16 year olds who got the keys to dad's benz. Not saying people should drive drunk, just saying people should be judged on how reckless or not they're driving on not whether they had a beer or not. If you're going to put people in jail for driving buzzed you should put people in jail for being ****** drivers.

But I'm just going to stop arguing in this as I've realized that I've ventured onto the MADD message board instead of SWDC.

CC.SD
01-06-2009, 06:32 PM
But I'm just going to stop arguing in this as I've realized that I've ventured onto the MADD message board instead of SWDC.

Yeah I'm glad you came to this conclusion. I understand the point you're making and it makes sense for some people, but you aren't going to get very far as the Pro-drunk driving guy.

PS all this talk of certain shortages in certain cities makes me sad. You guys need a vacation out here, it sounds like.

steelersfan43
01-06-2009, 06:35 PM
It's a glass dragon statue, which also happens to be a steamroller. ;)



I'm sorry but you have no idea what your talking about here. I'm extremely aggressive while driving sober, but once i'm the least bit impaired I'm driving at most 5 over keeping gaps and drive very defensively, because I haven't gotten a DUI yet and I don't intend to. I'm not saying my driving ability is better, it's clearly not, I'm just saying my driving style is much safer when not sober.

My point is that there are people who are good drivers, and those people when buzzed are much safer than the 4 16 year olds who got the keys to dad's benz. Not saying people should drive drunk, just saying people should be judged on how reckless or not they're driving on not whether they had a beer or not. If you're going to put people in jail for driving buzzed you should put people in jail for being ****** drivers.

But I'm just going to stop arguing in this as I've realized that I've ventured onto the MADD message board instead of SWDC.
If you recognize that why dont you fix it? I dont see why people have to drive like assholes. If everyone just followed the damn rules everyone would get where they are going on time and there would be way less accidents.

Also, why the hell would you still speed even when your drunk. That is ********

TimD
01-06-2009, 06:37 PM
It's a glass dragon statue, which also happens to be a steamroller. ;)

ahh haha i got ya. enjoy

CC.SD
01-06-2009, 07:01 PM
Tuesday, Jan. 6, 2009
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Statement from San Diego Chargers
Wide Receiver Vincent Jackson:

“Yesterday I was stopped by an officer. I don’t think any charges will be filed as a result of the stop. In the event they are, I look forward to clearing my name and proving my innocence.”

Gay Ork Wang
01-06-2009, 07:05 PM
some parts aren't. then you go to newark. or south jersey (not the beach, which is still overrated). north jersey might as well be one vast suburb.

fwiw, i also hate NYC with a passion.
yea i really didnt think NYC was that impressive. I really really liked DC

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 07:11 PM
yea i really didnt think NYC was that impressive. I really really liked DC

The Western part of DC is nice with Georgetown and all but anything touching Prince George's County, Maryland might be one of the top 5 scariest places on Earth

Shane P. Hallam
01-06-2009, 07:17 PM
VJax won't get touched for the playoffs, perhaps a suspension next year. The Chargers technically aren't allowed to take action.

LonghornsLegend
01-06-2009, 07:17 PM
PS all this talk of certain shortages in certain cities makes me sad. You guys need a vacation out here, it sounds like.

Not a problem here in Texas ;) Although I do need to take a vacation to Cali really soon though.

Forenci
01-06-2009, 07:18 PM
It's a glass dragon statue, which also happens to be a steamroller. ;)



I'm sorry but you have no idea what your talking about here. I'm extremely aggressive while driving sober, but once i'm the least bit impaired I'm driving at most 5 over keeping gaps and drive very defensively, because I haven't gotten a DUI yet and I don't intend to. I'm not saying my driving ability is better, it's clearly not, I'm just saying my driving style is much safer when not sober.

My point is that there are people who are good drivers, and those people when buzzed are much safer than the 4 16 year olds who got the keys to dad's benz. Not saying people should drive drunk, just saying people should be judged on how reckless or not they're driving on not whether they had a beer or not. If you're going to put people in jail for driving buzzed you should put people in jail for being ****** drivers.

But I'm just going to stop arguing in this as I've realized that I've ventured onto the MADD message board instead of SWDC.

That's where you're wrong. You're basically saying it's okay for you to get buzzed (which means you're likely over the legal limit) because you think you're a better driver whilst intoxicated. Which who knows if you really are? I know people who get stoned and drive extra careful because they don't want to get caught, and sure they may be bad drivers when they're straight but it doesn't mean they're any better off driving under the influence. You might be better off driving in normal situations under the influence but when something unexpected and reactionary does occur (which is pretty much when all accidents happen) you won't be able to react as well to it.

Not to mention those 'four 16 year olds' who suck at driving as you put it are probably the ones getting drunk and driving whilst doing so. You can't be selective about who drinks and drives. Saying it's okay for people who will drive less aggressively if they drink is moronic. It's illegal for everybody.

I'm not overreacting to someone getting one DUI, as I stated in my initial post, I think it's a pretty poor choice to do and is illegal (by law, not me) but he (Vincent Jackson in this case) shouldn't get a life sentence for it. Just don't do it again. I'm not acting high and mighty about it, nor am I saying anyone who drinks and drives must be a scum bag (because everyone makes mistakes), I'm just saying it's a bad idea and it is illegal and anyone who thinks it's better to drive drunk than sober is only fooling themselves, regardless of circumstances.

The only thing I made a big deal about is you thinking because you drive 'better' whilst buzzed or drunk or whatever that it's the smarter thing to do.

You've gone from saying it's okay to drive drunk (but only if you're an aggressive driver with your particular circumstances!) to it probably kinda impairs your judgement, but it's not the worst thing in the world, and I'm sure your next post will be about saying how I'm overreacting and that "I don't know your particular situation". Which you already pretty much stated by saying I don't know what I'm talking about.

It's not the worst crime in the world, but as Njx said it's probably one of the more stupid crimes you can do that doesn't involved hurting anyone. That reason being because it increases the chances you will hurt somebody, intentional or otherwise.

SuperKevin
01-06-2009, 07:20 PM
Yeah I'm glad you came to this conclusion. I understand the point you're making and it makes sense for some people, but you aren't going to get very far as the Pro-drunk driving guy.

PS all this talk of certain shortages in certain cities makes me sad. You guys need a vacation out here, it sounds like.

I live in San Diego County. Anything south of the Coronado Bridge and east of the 123 sucks.

tjsunstein
01-06-2009, 08:02 PM
VJ is a jackass for this. Not to beat a dead horse or anything. Not once but twice? You serious? Dumb. Plain dumb.

nrk
01-06-2009, 10:06 PM
The cop didn't even know his blood alcohol level. If he's just over the limit, he probably isn't drunk. A few beers isn't that bad unless you have no tolerance, and with Jackson's height/weight it wouldn't even effect him that much. I don't know his BAC, but sometimes it is blown out of proportion.

That's where you're wrong. You're basically saying it's okay for you to get buzzed (which means you're likely over the legal limit) because you think you're a better driver whilst intoxicated. Which who knows if you really are?

Did you read his post? He said he wasn't a better driver.

whats wrong and right is moral. Its different for every single one of us, and morally, u can argue every side. but in our society, illegal and legal is the right and wrong. the Right things to do and the wrong things to do.
Tell that to Martin Luther King Jr.

The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.

No, just because there is a law it doesn't mean it is right. Until recently, hedgehogs were banned from Kansas. I'm not trying to say drunk driving should be legal or anything.

Also, Jackson is a dumbass. Like others has said, get a driver, a taxi, etc. Especially after being caught once jeeze.

PoopSandwich
01-06-2009, 10:13 PM
I'm deffinetly not saying drunk driving is a good thing, but most people don't really make that decision thinking properly.

Geo
01-06-2009, 10:17 PM
Jackson must have been driven to drink after getting completely blanked by the Colts.

(:()

Crickett
01-06-2009, 10:35 PM
No, just because there is a law it doesn't mean it is right. Until recently, hedgehogs were banned from Kansas.

http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/classicsonic.jpg

Sonic > Kansas

TheBuffaloBills
01-06-2009, 10:37 PM
IMO, this is were the team should step in. Since many players are immature, the team should deduct money from their contract so they can hire a designated driver for them. Whenever they go out, that person can drive. You may think it is stupid, but it can save a players' career, health, and even their and other peoples lives.

Xenos
01-06-2009, 10:56 PM
This really is just sad. It's the last thing the team needs going into the biggest game of the season, but moreover, it's sad that someone as (book) smart as Vincent has to learn the hard way for the 2nd time. I don't know why you're out on Monday night drinking anyway. If you lose on Sunday, you've got the entire offseason to get blasted.

No excuse for this in my mind, especially coming off of the no-show that he had against Indy. This really has soured me on Vincent, maybe for good. It's an awful situation because the team NEEDS him this weekend, but he'd rather be out drinking and putting others at risk.
At the moment it's just suspicion. He got released pretty soon for a DUI.

And while he was a no show on Saturday, he really helped Gates and Chambers by opening up the middle for them.

nrk
01-07-2009, 12:47 AM
http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/classicsonic.jpg

Sonic > Kansas

It got unbanned by a kid who desperately wanted a hedgehog because he loved Sonic.

Xenos
01-07-2009, 12:50 AM
From what I understand, he doesn't need to be drunk to get a DUI. Because of his prior DUI probation, if he gets pulled over at all and has any trace of alcohol (no matter how benign), he would have broken his probation. That's the reason why he got released so soon IMO. His blood level was probably way below the limit, but he'll get the DUI anyways.

SuperKevin
01-07-2009, 01:15 AM
From what I understand, he doesn't need to be drunk to get a DUI. Because of his prior DUI probation, if he gets pulled over at all and has any trace of alcohol (no matter how benign), he would have broken his probation. That's the reason why he got released so soon IMO. His blood level was probably way below the limit, but he'll get the DUI anyways.

Yeah i found out today thats the law in CA. Highway Patrol will randomly run the plates of cars they follow and if you come up as being on a DUI probation they'll pull you over for no reason.