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marshallb
01-07-2009, 06:18 PM
By my count the Vikings have 10 Unrestricted Free Agents, and 4 Restricted Free Agents. The Vikings have 3 offensive UFAs: Matt Birk, Jim Kleinsasser, and Marcus Johnson, and 1 RFA: Naufahu Tahi. Their are 7 defensive UFAs: Darren Sharper, Benny Sapp, Heath Farwell, Napoleon Harris, Ellis Wyms, Jimmy Kennedy, and Kenechi Udeze, and 3 RFAs: Charles Gordon, Fred Evans, and Otis Grigsby. Here is the link to where I got the Free Agents from, and it has a list of all key free agents: http://www.draftdaddy.com/features/nflfreeagents_defense.htmThat is the list of defensive players, you can get to the offensive players by the small link at the top or bottom of the page. Also according to Kevin Seifert from ESPN and formerly of the Star Tribune, the Vikings have $20.4 million in cap space currently, but as he said, " The numbers are current but don't reflect the credits and adjustments that occur just prior to the beginning of free agency." The question is which of these players would you like to see the Vikings resign, and which would you like to see them let go. Also which other Free Agents would you like to see the Vikings go after, realistically, knowing about how much the Vikings will have to spend.

marshallb
01-07-2009, 06:21 PM
Also I just read that Sharper says that the chances of him coming back are 50-50 per the Star Tribune.

the_legend_killer
01-07-2009, 06:26 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Sharper was gone. I think Tyrell Johnson is ready to step up and take over for him.

marshallb
01-07-2009, 06:33 PM
I agree on Sharper, and he said, “I’d like to come back and I told a couple of guys that in my exit interview. We’ll see what happens. … You never want to close the door because I know they believe I have a lot of good years of playing football left in my body. I know the defensive scheme and it would be easy for me to comeback. But they do have to think about the future. Tyrell is a guy who played and played well enough to show that he can be a starter. It’s a decision that management has to make.”

marshallb
01-07-2009, 06:39 PM
I think that the Viking should let Birk, Johnson, Sharper, Sapp, and possibly Wyms go, and resign Kleinsasser, Farwell, Napoleon, Kennedy, and Udeze as long as the price is right, but none of those guys are really must sign guys. As far as RFAs go, the only ones that I even care about at all are Gordon and Evans, Grigsby hardly played, and would likely lose even more playing time if Udeze came back, and if Jayme Mitchell is able to recover from his season ending knee injury in the preseason. Tahi, I don't really care for.

Splat
01-07-2009, 06:42 PM
How did Sapp play this year just curious?

marshallb
01-07-2009, 06:48 PM
How did Sapp play this year just curious?

Terribly. He didn't play hardly at all until Charles Gordon got hurt, and after that he had numerous stupid penalties on defensive holding, offsides, unsportsmanlike conduct(throwing a punch), etc. He never really stood out for any major mistakes in coverage leading to wide open receivers, but he just screwed us over with those penalties coming at the worst times, in fact I think almost all of those penalties came on a third down where we had made the stop, but the penalty led to a 1st down.

Splat
01-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Sounds about right he is kinda of a hot head one of the reason we let him walk was the penalties he completely melt down in one game last year Brain Waters pretty much had to drag him off the field after a unsportsmanlike conduct foul.

jimmylishis
01-07-2009, 07:12 PM
How did Sapp play this year just curious?

he played horribly and he cost us too many drives in stupid penalties

anyways here are some of the players i think we should keep and let go

Keep:
Jimmy Kleinsasser- i really like kleinsasser. he's a great blocker and we may need him to help out our RT whether it's ryan cook or a rookie from the draft

Heath Farwell- our special teams was horibble this year. we need to keep him badly

Charles Gordan- He played pretty well before he got heart and he could return for us if we don't bring anyone in

Fred Evans- I think he played well in relief of Phat Pat and we don't really have anyone else worth mentioning

Let go:
Darren Sharper- Hes getting older and he started to play worse and worse as the season went on. by the end of the year his angles were horrible. I think Tyrell will be ready with some coaching.Besides he will be looking for too much $$.

Matt Birk- I like Birk but he will just be looking for too much money. Though He may accept an offer from us for cheap because of his roots. If we can get him for cheap i would love to have him back

Naufahu Tahi- We need a legit lead blocker if AD is going to reach his full potential.

Napoleon Harris- He played ok in relief of E.J. but he's slow and he would free up a roster spot for Rufus alexander or Erin Henderson

marshallb
01-08-2009, 10:32 AM
he played horribly and he cost us too many drives in stupid penalties

anyways here are some of the players i think we should keep and let go

Keep:
Jimmy Kleinsasser- i really like kleinsasser. he's a great blocker and we may need him to help out our RT whether it's ryan cook or a rookie from the draft

Heath Farwell- our special teams was horibble this year. we need to keep him badly

Charles Gordan- He played pretty well before he got heart and he could return for us if we don't bring anyone in

Fred Evans- I think he played well in relief of Phat Pat and we don't really have anyone else worth mentioning

Let go:
Darren Sharper- Hes getting older and he started to play worse and worse as the season went on. by the end of the year his angles were horrible. I think Tyrell will be ready with some coaching.Besides he will be looking for too much $$.

Matt Birk- I like Birk but he will just be looking for too much money. Though He may accept an offer from us for cheap because of his roots. If we can get him for cheap i would love to have him back

Naufahu Tahi- We need a legit lead blocker if AD is going to reach his full potential.

Napoleon Harris- He played ok in relief of E.J. but he's slow and he would free up a roster spot for Rufus alexander or Erin Henderson

I agree with pretty much all of that, except I think we should think about resigning Napoleon Harris, he would be good depth at LB, and would probably sign pretty cheap, after nobody else wanted him this year.

General Zod
01-08-2009, 11:12 PM
Ok, so if no Birk for us next year, do we look for a free agent to sign for center? I know we drafted John Sullivan(who I actaully like a lot), but was he even active once this season?

Hey, didnt Ryan Cook play center in college? lol
(that comment made me ill for a moment)

russie
01-09-2009, 05:40 AM
Ok, so if no Birk for us next year, do we look for a free agent to sign for center? I know we drafted John Sullivan(who I actaully like a lot), but was he even active once this season?

Hey, didnt Ryan Cook play center in college? lol
(that comment made me ill for a moment)

how ironic would it be if he turns into a probowl player if he was moved back to his original position?

marshallb
01-09-2009, 10:32 AM
Ok, so if no Birk for us next year, do we look for a free agent to sign for center? I know we drafted John Sullivan(who I actaully like a lot), but was he even active once this season?

Hey, didnt Ryan Cook play center in college? lol
(that comment made me ill for a moment)

I believe that Sullivan was active for almost every game. He was the backup C and RG, b/c I remember hearing that if Herrera didn't play that game after his mother(?) died, that Sullivan would play at RG.

hagy34
01-10-2009, 10:07 AM
Sharper is gone and its for the better. There were countless plays this year where he was way late. Plays he used to make he just wasn't close on this season. I remember him talking about being upset about not have the INT numbers this season, its because he was never around the ball! Johnson is going to be an upgrade for us next season. He's the real deal. As for Birk we need him back. Not saying its for sure going to happen but we will feel the effects if he walks, especially with the chances that TJack is under center. Also we need to bring back Farwell and FEvans for sure! Evans was great when we needed him and Farwell was missed all season on special teams.

hagy34
01-10-2009, 10:09 AM
Oh and I can't stand Benny Sapp. I really hope Gordon is back and that we draft a corner at somepoint. Sapp made so many stupid plays and in the post game interviews he would always apologize for them. Don't apologize, just don't hurt your team with the idiotic plays.

Vikings4ever
01-10-2009, 11:56 AM
Try to keep Birk if he's willing to sign a short term contract at a fair price.
Keep Kleinsasser, Harris, Udeze (if the price is right), Farwell, Evans, and Gordon.

Look at Warner/Garcia for a couple years.
Bring back Tony Richardson or bring in Lorenzo Neal.
I'd love to see Jordan Gross at right tackle for us next season, but that likely won't happen.

hagy34
01-10-2009, 12:14 PM
Try to keep Birk if he's willing to sign a short term contract at a fair price.
Keep Kleinsasser, Harris, Udeze (if the price is right), Farwell, Evans, and Gordon.

Look at Warner/Garcia for a couple years.
Bring back Tony Richardson or bring in Lorenzo Neal.
I'd love to see Jordan Gross at right tackle for us next season, but that likely won't happen.

Much rather see Garcia than Warner. I don't like the idea of a statue QB like Warner. Just scares me.

Are you the same guy from FFToday? Good to see ya over here, I just started posting here.

Vikings4ever
01-10-2009, 07:29 PM
Much rather see Garcia than Warner. I don't like the idea of a statue QB like Warner. Just scares me.

Are you the same guy from FFToday? Good to see ya over here, I just started posting here.

:banana:

I'd agree that Garthia would be a better. Warner would be better if the Vikes were still playing the offense of 5 years ago, but now they just need a QB who the opposing defenses respect, rather than one who can sling it all over the field.

hagy34
01-10-2009, 07:45 PM
:banana:

I'd agree that Garthia would be a better. Warner would be better if the Vikes were still playing the offense of 5 years ago, but now they just need a QB who the opposing defenses respect, rather than one who can sling it all over the field.

Exactly. Garcia would be a great fit.

marshallb
01-10-2009, 11:03 PM
I agree with most of what has been said in here lately, especially about Sharper, but I am not sure if I want Birk back, or if he will be back. There were many more times this year where he got beat that usual, and we drafted a guy to be his replacement last year. Plus I think I remember him and Childress not getting along, but he does have ties to this area, so maybe he would like to stay. I guess if he would sign a short, small contract, then I would like having him back, but if he wants a 4 year deal worth pretty good money, then I'd rather see him walk and give the money to Kleinsasser and a RT.

marshallb
01-10-2009, 11:06 PM
I also really like Gordon and hope he is resigned, and that we draft a corner somewhere in rounds 2-4. I would also love to see Gross at RT, but I don't really see it either, and wouldn't mind us getting Vernon Carey or someone like that.

hagy34
01-11-2009, 12:28 PM
I also really like Gordon and hope he is resigned, and that we draft a corner somewhere in rounds 2-4. I would also love to see Gross at RT, but I don't really see it either, and wouldn't mind us getting Vernon Carey or someone like that.

Gordon I think should probably resign. It's not like people are going to be jumping at him after that injury. It's hard for me to pick and choose FA guys because there are so many ways we could go in the draft. I guess our 1st rd pick will greatly depend on how much spending we do. Does anyone know how much money we have this offseason? It can't be a lot....

FuzzyGopher
01-11-2009, 01:44 PM
The cap room really depends on Birk and Sharper, and all those weird incentives they build into the contracts that likely will not be met. I think we will have around 20 to 25 m in cap room.

I actually just looked around and this link says about 20m.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-7-45/Black-and-Blue--salary--caps.html

FuzzyGopher
01-11-2009, 01:47 PM
Also I would be very uncomfortable letting both Shaper and Birk go, I think we should keep at least one of them. Sullivan is very unproven and while Birk's play has declined, he is still way better than any of our other options. Same with Sharper, what if Johnson gets hurt, who steps in? Frampton?

marshallb
01-11-2009, 02:30 PM
Yes, in the original post it said $20.4 million, but that can be changed a lot, and the Vikings have one of the best at adding cap room through unachievable bonuses or whatever it is called. Also, I think we would have to sign or draft a S for depth if we let Sharper go.

General Zod
01-11-2009, 06:00 PM
Lots of rumors flying around about us working on getting Matt Cassell.

FuzzyGopher
01-11-2009, 08:46 PM
Lots of rumors flying around about us working on getting Matt Cassell.

Any of them substantial? All I have seen is a bunch of internet talk.

The Dynasty
01-11-2009, 09:05 PM
I havent really seen anything but havent been looking sort of still iffy on him. I mean he had an All Pro Offense to protect him and throw too. So that makes me worry, I just dont want to see us give up another 1st rounder for a guy, Jared Allen was worth it but he was a proven guy where Cassel could be a One Season wonder.

For Free Agency I guess I'm hoping for a RT - I sort of have a feeling of we looking at Taushcher(spelling?) from Green Bay. Also with a QB, I dont see Warner leaving the Cardinals after this season so the only QB that will be on the market would be Garcia and maybe Cassel.

From what it looks like the draft, The top QBs will be Bradford and Stafford but I dont see them falling to 22 or 23 where ever we pick so I would like to see Alphonso Smith come to Minnesota.

I know Alphonso has the ability to return but I also wouldnt mind to see Allen Rossum to sign just as a return specialist. He could give a legitimate threat in kickoffs which we havent had in a long time.

hagy34
01-11-2009, 09:43 PM
Lots of rumors flying around about us working on getting Matt Cassell.

Its pretty much all speculation at this point.I can't see Cassel leaving NE with Brady's uncertainty.

hagy34
01-11-2009, 09:44 PM
Also I would be very uncomfortable letting both Shaper and Birk go, I think we should keep at least one of them. Sullivan is very unproven and while Birk's play has declined, he is still way better than any of our other options. Same with Sharper, what if Johnson gets hurt, who steps in? Frampton?

The problem with Sharper is that he's lost a step. He just doesn't have it anymore. As I said before he just doesn't have the skills he used to and I have no problem letting him walk.

FuzzyGopher
01-11-2009, 11:26 PM
Here is a link regarding Cassel.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/84694-vikings-zeroing-in-on-cassel

DHVF
01-11-2009, 11:31 PM
Guys, just know that these rumors are comin from Charley Walters.

case & point

FuzzyGopher
01-11-2009, 11:40 PM
Charley Walters is a douche and I hope he retires.

General Zod
01-12-2009, 12:00 AM
I would like to see Alphonso Smith come to Minnesota.



Id love to have Alphonso Smith here, I hope he is there at our 1st pick, depending on of course if anyone O line man or corner projected higher is still there. :-)

vikes_28
01-12-2009, 08:39 AM
I'm pretty sure cassel got franchised didnt he?

The_Dude
01-12-2009, 10:09 AM
I hope that we resign Birk (i love the local player angle in any sport) & Klein-sasuage.

Goodbye to the rest.... especially Sharper (i've never been a fan of his).

I have been hoping for Garcia for a couple of years now & would still take him. If the Little General wants to run the West Coast Offense, he should have a QB that has had success in it.

I also think/hope that T-Jack is still "trainable" & could still possibly be a servicable QB a couple of years down the road. He has physical tools, but he seems to be lacking in the mental aspects. Having a successful veteran (like Garcia & at one point i was really hoping for McNabb, but that is now out, or how about Hassle-Wassle, if the price is right?; No to Warner, though) around for a few years could help his development, while also providing the immediate stability at the QB position that could allow this team to step up to the next level.

I am against trading for Cassel as i think that a good deal of his success has to do with the Patriots offensive system & the talent around him. Is he even a good "fit" for the WCO? I also think that it would cost us too much.

Oh, i also like the idea of going after Taucher or another veteran upgrade to Cook. I would prefer to use our 1st round pick on Raji or Davis if available.

The_Dude
01-12-2009, 10:11 AM
I'm pretty sure cassel got franchised didnt he?

I think that he's about to, but i am sure that it will only be temporary... he'll either get traded or sign a deal before he signs the franchise deal.

hagy34
01-12-2009, 05:59 PM
I think that he's about to, but i am sure that it will only be temporary... he'll either get traded or sign a deal before he signs the franchise deal.

It will be interesting to see what the Pats decide to do. It doesn't seem like Brady will be ready...if they trade Cassel and Brady can't play they are screwed.

marshallb
01-13-2009, 10:36 AM
So what would everyone be willing to give up for Cassel?

Vikings4ever
01-13-2009, 01:15 PM
So what would everyone be willing to give up for Cassel?

Not a thing.

If the Vikes go after a FA, I'd prefer Garthia, then Warner.

russie
01-13-2009, 04:24 PM
So what would everyone be willing to give up for Cassel?

2011 7th round pick and a bag of funyuns

hagy34
01-13-2009, 06:32 PM
Not a thing.

If the Vikes go after a FA, I'd prefer Garthia, then Warner.

Agree 100%. I don't like Matty C.

DHVF
01-14-2009, 12:06 AM
Agree 100%. I don't like Matty C.
Same here. Just look at what he did against good defenses...yuck

Vikes99ej
01-28-2009, 06:14 PM
The only ones I'd consider bringing back are Kleinsasser, Udeze, and maybe Charles Gordon. I don't see us signing Birk again.

Crazy_Chris
01-28-2009, 08:03 PM
Purple=Keep Red=Let Go
Offense

Matt Birk- I would like to see us re-sign him for a couple more years although I'm sure there will be some other team willing to pay him more than we will. So in the end I think he will be playing for another team.

Jim Kleinsasser-I think he is a key to some of the vikings success in the run game the man is like having another Tackle out there and he is still athletic enough to surprise and come up with a nice catch once in a while.

Marcus Johnson- He couldn't beat out Ryan Cook at RT. That pretty much says it all.

Nafhu Tahi-Never thought he really added much to the team other than fumbles we need a better FB one that will be better at clearing the way for Adrian and one that will also be a threat out of the backfield.

Also another person on Offense I would like us to release is Maurice Hicks he adds pretty much nothing to this team on special teams or offense.

Defense

Darren Sharper-He was a very nice pickup his first 2 season with us but the last two he has been on the decline. With the pick of Tyrell Johnson it was only a matter of time before they parted ways with him. Sharpers 1 Int in my opinion isn't nearly enough to justify keeping the talented young one on the bench another season

Charles Gordon-I really like Charles Gordon he was playing very well as our nickel before he got injured. I think he is going to push Cedric Griffin for the starting spot accross from Winfield next year.

Benny Sapp-Too many stupid penalties... With the Vikings being very likely to draft another CB early in the draft there will be no place for him on this team.

Heath Farwell-His presence being absent from the special teams unit was a huge loss he is a excellent special teamer we need him back.

Napoleon Harris- it was nice to get him back mid season after EJ and Herron got hurt. But I don't really see any compelling reason to keep him here. I think it would be better just to let him walk and have a young LB fill the spot.

Fred Evans-He played very well when pat went down he is good depth at DT we definatly should keep him

Jimmy Kennedy-Don't see any reason to re-sign him

Ellis Wyms-I wasn't to sure what I wanted to do with him, he did pretty well notching 2.5 sacks for us in limited playing time but I think we need to make room for another young DT so in the end we gotta let him walk

Otis Grigsby-No compelling reason to re-sign him just let him walk

Kenechi Udeze- This is probably the hardest one to decide on. Simply because I have no clue what kind of shape he is in. Being away from football for a year and with Lukemia who knows if he is anywhere near in shape to play DE. However if he is I would like to bring him back.



As far as free agents I would like to pursue... We need a REAL threat returning kicks I would absolutly love to have Darren Sproles be our KR/PR. But I don't think he will come here because other teams will give him more oppurtunities on Offense as well as being the KR/PR with us he will have to get chances behind both Adrian and Chester on Offense.

vikes_28
01-29-2009, 07:18 AM
Purple=Keep Red=Let Go
Offense

Matt Birk- I would like to see us re-sign him for a couple more years although I'm sure there will be some other team willing to pay him more than we will. So in the end I think he will be playing for another team.

Jim Kleinsasser-I think he is a key to some of the vikings success in the run game the man is like having another Tackle out there and he is still athletic enough to surprise and come up with a nice catch once in a while.

Marcus Johnson- He couldn't beat out Ryan Cook at RT. That pretty much says it all.

Nafhu Tahi-Never thought he really added much to the team other than fumbles we need a better FB one that will be better at clearing the way for Adrian and one that will also be a threat out of the backfield.

Also another person on Offense I would like us to release is Maurice Hicks he adds pretty much nothing to this team on special teams or offense.

Defense

Darren Sharper-He was a very nice pickup his first 2 season with us but the last two he has been on the decline. With the pick of Tyrell Johnson it was only a matter of time before they parted ways with him. Sharpers 1 Int in my opinion isn't nearly enough to justify keeping the talented young one on the bench another season

Charles Gordon-I really like Charles Gordon he was playing very well as our nickel before he got injured. I think he is going to push Cedric Griffin for the starting spot accross from Winfield next year.

Benny Sapp-Too many stupid penalties... With the Vikings drafting another very likely to draft another CB early in the draft there will be no place for him on this team.

Heath Farwell-His presence being absent from the special teams unit was a huge loss he is a excellent special teamer we need him back.

Napoleon Harris- it was nice to get him back mid season after EJ and Herron got hurt. But I don't really see any compelling reason to keep him here. I think it would be better just to let him walk and have a young LB fill the spot.

Fred Evans-He played very well when pat went down he is good depth at DT we definatly should keep him

Jimmy Kennedy-Don't see any reason to re-sign him

Ellis Wyms-I wasn't to sure what I wanted to do with him, he did pretty well notching 2.5 sacks for us in limited playing time but I think we need to make room for another young DT so in the end we gotta let him walk

Otis Grigsby-No compelling reason to re-sign him just let him walk

Kenechi Udeze- This is probably the hardest one to decide on. Simply because I have no clue what kind of shape he is in. Being away from football for a year and with Lukemia who knows if he is anywhere near in shape to play DE. However if he is I would like to bring him back.



As far as free agents I would like to pursue... We need a REAL threat returning kicks I would absolutly love to have Darren Sproles be our KR/PR. But I don't think he will come here because other teams will give him more oppurtunities on Offense as well as being the KR/PR with us he will have to get chances behind both Adrian and Chester on Offense.

Pretty colors...

Kid_Ego
02-27-2009, 03:15 PM
No way the chargers let sproales go. Birk is staying Kennedy most likely will be back we need all the Dts we can get until we know whats going on the first four games next year. Whos ya mama wants to be a viking and I have visions of 1998 with Housyamama, Berrian and warner folks garcia is washed up and cant take a hit. Warner cant take a hit either but with what we have invested in a line he shouldnt freaking have to. JIMMY cant Go Hes my favorite Jimmy scirrors hands Kleinsaucser cant be anywhere but a viking. For christ sakes he is a viking fan ZyGI just pay my boy where else you going to get a 280lb fb/te who proabbly is bette rthen any rt we got

Kid_Ego
02-27-2009, 03:16 PM
And Tyrell is the reason we lost the playoff game I know darrin is old but johnson isnt even close to ready they continually picked on him in the play off game