2009 MLB Discussion Thread

[Brodeur]

Ben Zobrist is on PEDs. But I still love him.

Are catholics allowed to take PED's?

[princefielder28]

Are catholics allowed to take PED's?

What the hell does him being Catholic have to do with anything?

[Brodeur]

What the hell does him being Catholic have to do with anything?

That was more of a Ben Zobrist joke than anything.

[princefielder28]

That was more of a Ben Zobrist joke than anything.

My bad. Nothing like some good Ben Zobrist humor on a Thursday night. :rolleyes:

[JHG722]

I guess those PEDs did wonders for Catholic boy Benny Z

[Giantsfan1080]

Victorino is a little *****. Welke has been terrible at 1B this game.

[Brodeur]

My bad. Nothing like some good Ben Zobrist humor on a Thursday night. :rolleyes:

It was aimed at Tampa.

[JHG722]

Victorino is a little *****. Welke has been terrible at 1B this game.

Little shoulder nudge. Don't call Vic names; he's all heart. Tell your manager not to try to headbutt the ump next time.

[JHG722]

Jayson. *******. Werth.

[Giantsfan1080]

Little shoulder nudge. Don't call Vic names; he's all heart. Tell your manager not to try to headbutt the ump next time.

Welke made 2 terrible calls this game so he can do whatever. I don't care what it was, he was out. You can't seek out contact like that.

[aNYtitan]

Jeez, the Yankees go through catchers like Girardi goes through relievers

[JHG722]

Welke made 2 terrible calls this game so he can do whatever. I don't care what it was, he was out. You can't seek out contact like that.

I mean, he made the wrong call, but it was inside the basepath. It's not like Vic ran into CF and pushed Beltran...

[Hurricanes25]

Jeez, the Yankees go through catchers like Girardi goes through relievers

I hope this Cervelli kid can hit.

[scottyboy]

Jeez, the Yankees go through catchers like Girardi goes through relievers

yea really. like Cervelli's in the game? really? in May...

[Giantsfan1080]

I mean, he made the wrong call, but it was inside the basepath. It's not like Vic ran into CF and pushed Beltran...

Inning should have been over before Werth got up and now we might have to use K-Rod again.

[P-L]

I still don't know if Tim Wakefield being our best pitcher is a good thing or a bad thing.

[JHG722]

and now we might have to use K-Rod again.

I love adventures with KRod. Makes it exciting.

[aNYtitan]

yea really. like Cervelli's in the game? really? in May...

Well Molina came up clutching his thigh when he scored, so its obviously something with his hammy. Same sort of injury with Posada

[Forenci]

I mean, he made the wrong call, but it was inside the basepath. It's not like Vic ran into CF and pushed Beltran...

No he didn't. He just lowered his shoulder and intentionally ran into Reyes.

Not to mention Welke blew a call at first base when (the runners name eludes me right now) was out by a mile.

But sure, whatever, lets just ignore the fact it was a horrible call and say Victorino is a warrior because he made a bush league move.

[JHG722]

No he didn't. He just lowered his shoulder and intentionally ran into Reyes.

Not to mention Welke blew a call at first base when (the runners name eludes me right now) was out by a mile.

But sure, whatever, lets just ignore the fact it was a horrible call and say Victorino is a warrior because he made a bush league move.

I said it was a bad call. Bush league? Headbutting is much more bush league. You wish you had Vic.

[SuperKevin]

I said it was a bad call. Bush league? Headbutting is much more bush league. You wish you had Vic.

Nah. I'm cool with Beltran in Center

[SuperKevin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4150536

Arizona is firing Melvin

[Forenci]

I said it was a bad call. Bush league? Headbutting is much more bush league. You wish you had Vic.

Yeah, sure. Oh wait, that's right we have this Beltran player who is ten times the player Victorino is.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a jerk but I am still not in a good mood because of that call.

[JHG722]

Nah. I'm cool with Beltran in Center

I didnt mean instead of.

[JHG722]

Yeah, sure. Oh wait, that's right we have this Beltran player who is ten times the player Victorino is.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a jerk but I am still not in a good mood because of that call.

I dont disagree with you, and as I said, I didnt mean instead of Beltran.

[Giantsfan1080]

Frankie!!!! 4 saves in 4 consecutive games.

[JHG722]

Jimmy sucks right now.

[SuperKevin]

Break out the mini brooms! Mini sweep!

[Forenci]

Nice job Francisco.

He always makes a game interesting when he comes into a close game and I know he'll eventually blow some games too but I really have confidence in him.

[aNYtitan]

I love ya Johnny Damon, I know you are probably on the roids but hey, just don't get caught

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I mean, he made the wrong call, but it was inside the basepath. It's not like Vic ran into CF and pushed Beltran...


Jesus, you are really stupid. And no, I really don't want that little ***** on my team.

[Giantsfan1080]

I love ya Johnny Damon, I know you are probably on the roids but hey, just don't get caught

The wind tunnel that is the new Yankees Stadium is really helping Damon and Melky power wise.

[aNYtitan]

The wind tunnel that is the new Yankees Stadium is really helping Damon and Melky power wise.

Yet Swisher has no HR's at the new park. All I know is A-Rod will love the place cause he can hit that opposite field

[Giantsfan1080]

Wow Crawford with a solo shot.

[Stash]

A's actually won a game this afternoon. Cahill went 7 innings, 5 hits, and 0 walks in his first big league victory. Holliday is starting to turn it around, 4 homers in the last 8 games. Now if Giambi could get going we could go on a nice little run.

[Giantsfan1080]

And now Longoria with a solo shot. What's up with Mariano tonight.

[aNYtitan]

O Jesus, the one reliever we can count on comes out really flat tonight

[Jensen]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4150536

Arizona is firing Melvin

I'm not surprised. The team hasn't been very good for almost a year now and the D'Backs hitters, well, aren't hitting. Hopefully Schu goes with him. I haven't heard anything new on who will be replacing him yet.

[themaninblack]

Haha Micah Owings hit a triple tonight.

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Jered Weaver is a beaut.

[nobodyinparticular]

Benjie Molina with 2 bombs today. Of course, some people would rather him take 2 walks instead. Silly Sabrs.

Also, how is Josh Bard doing so far? I heard he was better than Benjie. LMAO!

He makes an out 7 out of 10 times at the plate. That is hardly amazing. Right now, he only looks good because of a ridiculously high (for Bengie) ISOp. His OPS (and subsequent value) will drop significantly when he comes back to earth in that department.

It's not that we would rather see him take a walk than hit a home run (although Joe Morgan would rather bunt or hit and run than homer), it's that we'd like to see him take a walk at least once out of those 7 outs.

[KCJ58]

dodgers lose their 1st game at home without manny.

[fenikz]

I'm not surprised. The team hasn't been very good for almost a year now and the D'Backs hitters, well, aren't hitting. Hopefully Schu goes with him. I haven't heard anything new on who will be replacing him yet.

yep Schu got fired as well(that made me happy)

I personally know nothing about A.J. Hinch besides him being a former mlb catcher(always a plus for a manager) and our vice president for player development

something had to be done though, being 12-17 with that much talent on a team is simply unacceptable.

on a better note, Justin Upton is becoming a freak, he really looks like he is starting to figure this baseball thing out

BA up to .294(was way under .200 less than 15 games ago) on a 14 game hitting streak with 6 HR 15 rbi and 15 runs in that time with a .530 OBP

[nobodyinparticular]

yep Schu got fired as well(that made me happy)

I personally know nothing about A.J. Hinch besides him being a former mlb catcher(always a plus for a manager) and our vice president for player development

something had to be done though, being 12-17 with that much talent on a team is simply unacceptable.

on a better note, Justin Upton is becoming a freak, he really looks like he is starting to figure this baseball thing out

BA up to .294(was way under .200 less than 15 games ago) on a 14 game hitting streak with 6 HR 15 rbi and 15 runs in that time with a .530 OBP

I was beginning to wonder if the Upton brothers were ever going to be anything more than the biggest tease in baseball. Obviously 85 ABs isn't a great sample size, but his numbers on the season a much better. Now BJ needs to fix his bat.

[Stash]

Bengie Molina's batting average is higher than his OBP, lol. How does that even happen?

[draftguru151]

Sac flies, I had that convo with comahan last night lol.

[bored of education]

Arod Comes Back Tonight!

[SuperKevin]

I bet A-Rod sent Manny a gift basket officially thinking him for taking all the steroid heat off him

[comahan]

ALEX RODRIGUEZ~

3r hr in his first AB. Niiiiiiiice

[JHG722]

ARoids with a shot.

[Borat]

Epic win for the 'roids. You can't hold them down forever.

[aNYtitan]

Welcome back A-Rod, its good to have your bat

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Patrick The Batrick!

[bored of education]

I love AROD!

[Brodeur]

ARoids with a shot.

What a hilarious and original nickname.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

What a hilarious and original nickname.

Got nothing on Man-Needsovarypills-am.

[Brodeur]

I am confident that over an entire season, I would have better hitting stats than Dane Sardinha.

[JHG722]

Jo-Jo Reyes overthrows Kotchman on a little swinging bunt by Hamels. Two score.

[M.O.T.H.]

Jo-Jo Reyes overthrows Kotchman on a little swinging bunt by Hamels. Two score.

Reyes is useless...I'm glad I'm not watching him pitch tonight.

[JHG722]

2 run double by JRoll. w00t

[thetedginnshow]

Good for A-Rod.

[Brodeur]

Reyes is useless...I'm glad I'm not watching him pitch tonight.

I remember when you were excited about him. Those were good times.

[JHG722]

King Cole is dealing right now.

[M.O.T.H.]

I remember when you were excited about him. Those were good times.

I never really liked Reyes. I was hopeful but, in the Majors, I was never a fan at all. I always said he reminded me of when Davies was here. I've always liked Harrison a lot more and I was praying that Reyes was going to be in that Tex deal instead.

[tjsunstein]

After a certain point of media abuse you have to feel bad for the guy. Good to see ARod back.

Jimmy Rollins with a two run double?! J-Roll, IS THAT YOU!?!?!

[JHG722]

What's gotten into Jeff Bailey?

[JHG722]

Howard just hit a bullet. Once bouncer out. Ground rule double.

[JHG722]

2 run HR Jayson effing Werth!!!!!!!! Epic.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Why is Crawford so good.

[bored of education]

Why is Crawford so good.

you told him to be good thats why :)

[Brodeur]

Why is Crawford so good.

Well mainly because he's not.

[tjsunstein]

No, no, Jo-Jo. Not tonight.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Well mainly because he's not.

ok lemme rephrase

"Why has Crawford started walking to a tune of a a line of .308/.375/.388"

[yodapoop]

I want the Joel Pineiro that was pitching in April back.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

By the way, interesting note on Armando Galarraga

"February 4, 2008: Traded by the Texas Rangers to the Detroit Tigers for Michael Hernandez (minors)."

Good job Texas Rangers scouting department.

[JHG722]

You know it's not your night when Chris Coste hits one out off of you. LMAO

[M.O.T.H.]

Jo-Jo Reyes pitches like that every time out.

[aNYtitan]

My word, CC is just dominating out there. Not getting K's but he is pitching quick innnings

[Tampa 2 4 life]

James Shields can't win at fenway!!!!!!!!!

[Philliez01]

From my sister's boyfriend who went to the Phillies game. (Some dude ran onto the field):

Guy goes from RF baseline all the way down to 3B where he shakes Pedro Feliz's hand. Then makes it back to center, does a move like Reggie Bush against Fresno then makes two cutbacks to beat security.
_________

Just thought you guys would like to know that, you won't be seeing that on Twitter.

[fischbowl]

Before the game today, Orioles traded Ryan Freel to the Cubs for Joey Gathright. Speed is all Gathright has going for him, can't hit the side of a barn, it's a shame to lose someone with such versatility like Freel off the bench. Come on, Andy....

[princefielder28]

Aramis Ramirez is hurt for the Cubs

[iowatreat54]

F....M....L

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Before the game today, Orioles traded Ryan Freel to the Cubs for Joey Gathright. Speed is all Gathright has going for him, can't hit the side of a barn, it's a shame to lose someone with such versatility like Freel off the bench. Come on, Andy....

Don't the O's already have a ****** OF with speed with Pie?

[thetedginnshow]

I'm going to assume the Cards aren't trying.

[Brodeur]

Justin Verlander has found his mojo. Time for the rest of the major league teams to be frightened.

[holt_bruce81]

I'm going to assume the Cards aren't trying.

Cueto is good.

[fischbowl]

Don't the O's already have a ****** OF with speed with Pie?

Yep. The two are carbon copies of each other.

[draftguru151]

Chris Coghlan is starting at 2B tonight and hitting 2nd. He's probably going to take over for Uggla either next year or the year after.

[thetedginnshow]

Cueto is good.

You're very right.

[Brodeur]

Curtis Granderson is the greatest man alive.

[Michigan]

CURTIS GRANDERSON!!!!! BEST CATCH OF ALL TIME. q

[Xiomera]

Curtis Granderson. Oh my god.

You're the man. Verlander owes you one there.

[Notredameleo]

I am going to name my first born Granderson, no matter the sex!!

[Giantsfan1080]

Beltran with a big hit to put us up 3-2 in the 8th.

[Giantsfan1080]

Delgado hit a 3 run HR and just passed Mickey Mantle on the all time RBI list. You guys think Delgado is a HOF'er?

[Hines]

Hahahaha, oh god the Pirates suck.

[Giantsfan1080]

Hahahaha, oh god the Pirates suck.

The Mets are just playing good ball right now. You have a couple of bright spots on the team. Morgan and Diaz are pretty impressive defensively.

[Hines]

The Mets are just playing good ball right now. You have a couple of bright spots on the team. Morgan and Diaz are pretty impressive defensively.

I guess I was just spoiled over their great start.

Pirates have lost like 6 straight now.

[Giantsfan1080]

I guess I was just spoiled over their great start.

Pirates have lost like 6 straight now.

Yeah you have been playing terribly lately but that's going to happen as you know. Your bullpen is god awful.

[SuperKevin]

Delgado hit a 3 run HR and just passed Mickey Mantle on the all time RBI list. You guys think Delgado is a HOF'er?

If he gets his 500th HR then I think he will be. Especially since he's hopefully clean.

[MidwayMonster31]

Put some AAA lowlife against the White Sox and he will throw 7 shutout innings. I'm not even kidding around, that happens every time.

Edit: Make that a complete game, shutout.

[holt_bruce81]

Wow go Cards. down by 2 in the 9th with no outs and a runner on and you get thrown out trying to steal. Why are you even attempting a stolen base? What!!!!

[PACKmanN]

Steve Young is a Blue Jays fan so Jays>all. :)

[Donno]

This is why Gio Gonzalez should be in majors, A's are already down.

[Giantsfan1080]

Haha on Aaron Heilman giving up a game winning HR to Ryan Braun.

[Boston]

Damn. Hoffman's just been filthy so far this year.

[Brodeur]

Ryan Braun with his newly found patience is frightening.

[Hines]

They would show '92 Braves and Pirates. That was the last time the Pirates had a winning record.....

[Stash]

This is why Gio Gonzalez should be in majors, A's are already down.
Overreact much? A's win again, offense is starting to come around and the bullpen is awesome.

[draftguru151]

Marlins starter got a win for the first time in 20 games. Nolasco looked good for the first time this season. Hanley's been great the last 6/7 games, 4/5 today with another homer.

[comahan]

Wandy Rodriguez continues to be fantastic. 8 shutout tonight to drop his ERA to 1.80.

Also, Michael Bourn taking Jim Edmonds, Lance Berkman, and Carlos Beltran lessons on making amazing plays on the hill in Center. Hes made like 4 this year.

[aNYtitan]

I dont care if its just one start, but CC looked absolutely filthy tonight. Had the hitters guessing and his slider was untouchable. All he needed was A-Rod's home run and that was that

[Sniper]

I dont care if its just one start, but CC looked absolutely filthy tonight. Had the hitters guessing and his slider was untouchable. All he needed was A-Rod's home run and that was that

...against the AL East's worst offense.

[Scotty D]

Verlander was better. :)

[Borat]

Brodeur. Zito. Nice.

[aNYtitan]

...against the AL East's worst offense.

Doesn't mean anything to me, hey its a 1 game winning streak, especially after a week that has been just awful. Not to mention the O's have a pretty decent lineup with Jones, Markakis, Roberts and Huff. It's no pushover

[JHG722]

They would show '92 Braves and Pirates. That was the last time the Pirates had a winning record.....

Try being a Temple football fan ;)

[iowatreat54]

Doesn't mean anything to me, hey its a 1 game winning streak, especially after a week that has been just awful. Not to mention the O's have a pretty decent lineup with Jones, Markakis, Roberts and Huff. It's no pushover

Did you just describe the O's offense as no pushover? Really?

Yea, congrats, CC finally pitched a game where it could be argued he is worth what he's paid.

[themaninblack]

Wow go Cards. down by 2 in the 9th with no outs and a runner on and you get thrown out trying to steal. Why are you even attempting a stolen base? What!!!!

How we even won with such a pathetic lineup is somewhat of a miracle.

[Forenci]

Did you just describe the O's offense as no pushover? Really?

Yea, congrats, CC finally pitched a game where it could be argued he is worth what he's paid.

He pitched like the second best pitcher in New York finally!

[comahan]

He pitched like the second best pitcher in New York finally!

3rd~

Pettitte > Santana and CC

100%

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Did you just describe the O's offense as no pushover? Really?

Yea, congrats, CC finally pitched a game where it could be argued he is worth what he's paid.

Well, they have Roberts, Huff and Markakis. Besides that, it does look pretty bleak.

[Michigan]

"And Sizemore lifts that one to center, Granderson going back...on the track... it isss GOOOONE!!!!! NO IT'S NOT!"

Granderson's big play from Cleveland's viewpoint:

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090508&content_id=4626582

[comahan]

Well, they have Roberts, Huff and Markakis. Besides that, it does look pretty bleak.

Adam Jones is pretty decent, too.

And LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE Scott isnt awful

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Adam Jones is pretty decent, too.

And LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE Scott isnt awful

Pacman has to show me that he can do this all year, especially considering his .388 BABIP. I forgot about Scott actually, thank you.

[comahan]

They also have Ty Wigginton! Tampa and Houston LEGEND Ty Wigginton!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

They also have Ty Wigginton! Tampa and Houston LEGEND Ty Wigginton!

ehhhhhhhhhhhh too far.

[fischbowl]

Adam Jones is pretty decent, too.

And LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE Scott isnt awful

It's a solid 6 with Mora added to the mix. Scott and Mora are adequate to say the least. We're no pushover offensively. Pitching wise is a different story. Don't worry, I packed enough canned butterbeans and pickled peaches in my cellar to last me if this Adam Eaton start the apocalypse

[aNYtitan]

It's a solid 6 with Mora added to the mix. Scott and Mora are adequate to say the least. We're no pushover offensively. Pitching wise is a different story. Don't worry, I packed enough canned butterbeans and pickled peaches in my cellar to last me if this Adam Eaton start the apocalypse

See that is what I am arguing, when considering it in context amongst the AL east, it may be the worst offense in the division (idk don't know much about Toronto) but in the entire majors, they are definitely not amongst the worst in the league. They are decent is all I am saying

[fischbowl]

See that is what I am arguing, when considering it in context amongst the AL east, it may be the worst offense in the division (idk don't know much about Toronto) but in the entire majors, they are definitely not amongst the worst in the league. They are decent is all I am saying

Toronto's offense has been red hot all year, but yes, unfortunately we are most definitely the worst in the AL East

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/loving-longoria


Suck it Wieters.

[comahan]

Longoria is indeed awesome, but I dont know about being "not too far behind Pujols as the best player in baseball."

[Brent]

Brodeur. Zito. Nice.
For the sake of my mental health, I really hope he's finding his former self.

[Borat]

For the sake of my mental health, I really hope he's finding his former self.

Four straight "quality starts" will help.

[Borat]

It's just Manny being Barry:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/jackj0000/random/mannyshoots2.gif

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/jackj0000/random/dodgerscheatlogosmall.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt232/tferr85/127442_Nationals_Dodgers_Baseball.jpg

[JHG722]

Wow, Granderson's catch was absolutely incredible...

[SuperKevin]

The Mets offense has been red hot as of late

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Chicks dig the Longo Ball.

[Giantsfan1080]

Mets with their 6th in a row!!!

[SuperKevin]

Mets with their 6th in a row!!!

Let's hope Philly loses and we can take 1st place

[comahan]

What in the hell was that

[Tampa 2 4 life]

The **** is wrong with you CC.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Carlos Pena with the best bailout of a 3B ever.

[Hurricanes25]

Carlos Pena with the best bailout of a 3B ever.

That was crazy. Thats why Pena won the gold glove last year.

[JHG722]

Rocco!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Borat]

There isn't one redeeming quality about Aaron Rowand. What a waste of a roster spot. Damn you Sabean, you ******* jackass.

[JHG722]

Chase Utley, you are the man!!!!!!!!!!

[SuperKevin]

Come on Braves! Beat the Phillies!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

There isn't one redeeming quality about Aaron Rowand. What a waste of a roster spot. Damn you Sabean, you ******* jackass.

Yeah, what the hell happened with him? He was less than 3 times worse last year than his '07 year.

[Borat]

But OMGZZZZZZZZZZ Rowand runs into walls. Give him $60M Sabean. Great ******* idea.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

But OMGZZZZZZZZZZ Rowand runs into walls. Give him $60M Sabean. Great ******* idea.

He had a fuckshit insane 2007 that came out of nowhere and was worth 225 mil that year. but then he went into suckfest mode in SF and was wroth 6. I think Sabean is just cursed.

Edit: or ******** since that was an extreme outlier. I'll go with ********.

[Borat]

Edit: or ******** since that was an extreme outlier. I'll go with ********.

You'd be correct sir.

[SuperKevin]

Thank you Joe Blanton for serving up that homer.

[JHG722]

Thank you Joe Blanton for serving up that homer.

Yeah, ughhhhhhhhhh

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Evan Longoria is pretty good, eh?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

<3 Pat Burrell.

[JHG722]

Evan Longoria is pretty good, eh?

He's alright.

[tjsunstein]

Is it ironic that as soon as T24L confessed his love for Burrell that Raul homered?

[JHG722]

Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuul :D

[Sniper]

Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuul :D

ZOMGZ SMALL SAMPLE SIZE!

;)

[JHG722]

ZOMGZ SMALL SAMPLE SIZE!

;)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

ZOMGZ SMALL SAMPLE SIZE!

;)

Well, it is.

And you still overpaid.

[JHG722]

Nope. Steal of the offseason.

Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuul

[tjsunstein]

Well, it is.

And you still overpaid.

You won't admit you are wrong will you?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You won't admit you are wrong will you?

It's may ******* ninth.

[JHG722]

We could win the WS again with Raul hitting 35 and 115 and we would have still overpaid according to him lol

[Tampa 2 4 life]

We could win the WS again with Raul hitting 35 and 115 and we would have still overpaid according to him lol

First of all using RBIs is ********. But if at the end of the year he continues this pace(He won't), I will ******* gladly eat crow.

[Brent]

Damn you Sabean, you ******* jackass.
I'll admit that our farm system has some ******* insane talent though. The San Jose team is so loaded it'll be wonderful when they're brought up.

[tjsunstein]

Raul Ibanez finishes with more RBI than Manny.


I said that.

[SuperKevin]

I said that.

That's only going to happen because Manny can't get a boner though

[JHG722]

First of all using RBIs is ********. But if at the end of the year he continues this pace(He won't), I will ******* gladly eat crow.

Well RBI are the most basic indicator of production (other than hits and BA). I'm aware that it goes more in depth than RBI, dont worry.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Well RBI are the most basic indicator of production (other than hits and BA).

.....Really?

[tjsunstein]

It's may ******* ninth.

Thanks. But you act like he hasnt produced like this for the last 3 years.
Of course he isnt gonna continue at this pace and hit 48 HR and 130 some RBI but he will outdo Burrell.

[tjsunstein]

That's only going to happen because Manny can't get a boner though

I didn't say how it was going to happen. His sexual ineffeciency is my gain. Yup.

[JHG722]

.....Really?

Am I wrong?

[SuperKevin]

I wish I understood what Tampa was talking about most of the time

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Thanks. But you act like he hasnt produced like this for the last 3 years.
Of course he isnt gonna continue at this pace and hit 48 HR and 130 some RBI but he will outdo Burrell.

2009 BABIP: .350(Expected(LD% + .120): .264)
Career: .312(Expected: .320)

2009 Hr/FB: 22.2%
Career: 12.4%

Luck is a funny thing.

[Brodeur]

Am I wrong?

100 percent wrong.

[JHG722]

100 percent wrong.

Well then please correct me with the basic indicator, then...

[tjsunstein]

2009 BABIP: .350(Expected(LD% + .120): .264)
Career: .312(Expected: .320)

2009 Hr/FB: 22.2%
Career: 12.4%

Luck is a funny thing.

Luck is when skill meets oppurtunity.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Luck is when skill meets oppurtunity.

This is an awesome counter argument.

[Brodeur]

Well then please correct me with the basic indicator, then...

Basic? OPS.

[JHG722]

Basic? OPS.

Well his OPS is pretty damn good right now.

[tjsunstein]

This is an awesome counter argument.

His numbers right now are better than Burrell's. I can't really think of a better argument than that. Small sample sizes, whatever. They are. Therefore you're wrong so far.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

His numbers right now are better than Burrell's. I can't really think of a better argument than that. Small sample sizes, whatever. They are. Therefore you're wrong so far.

The difference is we're not paying Burrell 3/30 and counting on him to play LF.

[JHG722]

And thus far Ibanez has proven everyone wrong defensively, no?

[tjsunstein]

And his numbers are going to be far and away better this year coming to a more potent offense in a smaller stadium. So I don't think he is going to match his career number to the thousand place. Just because he is doing better than those numbers right now doesn't mean he will just fall off because sabr stats say so.

[tjsunstein]

The difference is we're not paying Burrell 3/30 and counting on him to play LF.

Ibanez has been awesome in the field.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

And his numbers are going to be far and away better this year coming to a more potent offense in a smaller stadium. So I don't think he is going to match his career number to the thousand place. Just because he is doing better than those numbers right now doesn't mean he will just fall off because sabr stats say so.

I don't care if you go to Yankee Stadium from petco, your flyballs won't be flying out twice as much.

Also, if we're playing this game, Zobrist will make the astros cry for letting him go because apparently he's a hitting savant.

[SuperKevin]

Hooray. The Mets are in first place!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I can't believe I'm having this ******* argument again. I'm done.

[tjsunstein]

I don't care if you go to Yankee Stadium from petco, your flyballs won't be flying out twice as much.

Also, if we're playing this game, Zobrist will make the astros cry for letting him go because apparently he's a hitting savant.

You're ridiculous. You act like he has to match his career numbers no matter what. He won't, they will be better. Admit it.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You're ridiculous. You act like he has to match his career numbers no matter what. He won't, they will be better. Admit it.

He is not going to hit ******* twice as many fly balls out, stop being ********.

[tjsunstein]

He is not going to hit ******* twice as many fly balls out, stop being ********.

When did I say that? Quote me.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

When did I say that? Quote me.

Um, he is, and you said he's not going to drop off.

[tjsunstein]

Um, he is, and you said he's not going to drop off.

Is that an exact quote?
I said he's not going to drop off to his career average just because sabr says so.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Is that an exact quote?
I said he's not going to drop off to his career average just because sabr says so.

And where, young padowan, did I say that.

[tjsunstein]

And where, young padowan, did I say that.

Where you said it's only a small sample size yet he keeps producing. How long before it's legit?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Where you said it's only a small sample size yet he keeps producing. How long before it's legit?

Come on, if you're going to do that with me, tell me where I said "He will go back to career norms"

[tjsunstein]

Come on, if you're going to do that with me, tell me where I said "He will go back to career norms"

Tell me where I said that 1/5 of his fly balls will be home runs. You use sabr stats way too much and rely on them for more than they are intended for. From where I stand, it looks like you think that every year has to match their sabr stat from years past. I really hope you don't think that but that's what it looks like. Now that he is in CBP, his fly ball/HR percentage will go up. There's no doubt about that.

That's beside the original point. Ibanez is producing better than Burrell and everything that you said was wrong with the deal hasn't happened.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Tell me where I said that 1/5 of his fly balls will be home runs. You use sabr stats way too much and rely on them for more than they are intended for. From where I stand, it looks like you think that every year has to match their sabr stat from years past. I really hope you don't think that but that's what it looks like. Now that he is in CBP, his fly ball/HR percentage will go up. There's no doubt about that.

That's beside the original point. Ibanez is producing better than Burrell and everything that you said was wrong with the deal hasn't happened.

Holy ****, did you even read my last two posts?

[Tha Wootster]

Oh god can we stop this argument now...?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Oh god can we stop this argument now...?

Please, please, Please can we stop.

[tjsunstein]

Holy ****, did you even read my last two posts?

Guess you can't put two and two together. Everything indicates that Ibanez will be better than Burrell for the extent of their contracts. Contradicting everything you ever believed about it in the first place.

[SuperKevin]

Please, please, Please can we stop.

You're the one who continues it most of the time

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Guess you can't put two and two together. Everything indicates that Ibanez will be better than Burrell for the extent of their contracts. Contradicting everything you ever believed about it in the first place.

Everything = One month of data?


I'm done, the next time you make a stupid post, I'm just going to ignore it.

[tjsunstein]

Everything = One month of data?


I'm done, the next time you make a stupid post, I'm just going to ignore it.

Yes, everything since their contracts has been one month. Is it gonna be the same small sample size next month, all star break, and when he finishes the year better is your argument at the end of the year gonna be "it was only one year"?

What exactly was stupid about my post? You have been wrong so far. Admit it.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

And somehow Lance Cormier gets a save from that.

[bearsfan_51]

To whomever took the under on the Jay Bruce to 30 HR count, he just hit his 9th, and it's the 30th game of the season.

[SuperKevin]

To whomever took the under on the Jay Bruce to 30 HR count, he just hit his 9th, and it's the 30th game of the season.

I think he'll cool off a bit and hit somewhere around 28 homers

[bearsfan_51]

I think he'll hit 50 and then have sex with your entire family.

[ccB]

Aunrey Huff just jacked a 3r HR to put us up 7-0 over the Yankees in the 2nd, I knew I should of went to this game :(

[SuperKevin]

Hopefully even Adam Eaton can't blow this kind of a lead

[M.O.T.H.]

I used to say the same thing when the Braves would turn to the likes of Danny Kolb and Chris Reitsma with a big league. Oh there is always a chance.

[JHG722]

Hopefully even Adam Eaton can't blow this kind of a lead

Don't hold your breath...

[Brent]

Dear Fred Lewis/Aaron Rowand,

Kill yourself.

-Brent

[Mr.Regular]

I hate Alex Rios. Almost as much as I hate BlowJob Ryan and Lyle "Inning Killer" Overbay.....

wow even when we're doing well I can't kick the habit of ripping on the Jays....they've disappointed me for so long that I'm just used to them sucking.

[ccB]

Hopefully even Adam Eaton can't blow this kind of a lead

We are up 11-1 in the 5th, he blows this I will drive to Camden Yards and kick him in the ******* nuts.

[JHG722]

We are up 11-1 in the 5th, he blows this I will drive to Camden Yards and kick him in the ******* nuts.

11-4 now :eek:

[PalmerToCJ]

Go Redlegs! First time in a long time I've been able to be optimistic about them. They're playing pretty good team ball right now.

[Hines]

The Pirates are a joke.

[JHG722]

11-4 now :eek:

11-5!!!!!! :eek: :eek:

[the_legend_killer]

Burrell and Ibanez < Craig Counsell

[JHG722]

Burrell and Ibanez < Craig Counsell

Kapler > Counsell > Ibanez > Burrell

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Kapler > Counsell > Ibanez > Burrell

Kapler sucks.

[JHG722]

Cy Greinke's ERA just ballooned to .56

[Sniper]

Cy Greinke's ERA just ballooned to .56

D-Unit called this.

[JHG722]

D-Unit called this.

Time to send Greinke down to the minors =(

[CJSchneider]

http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/050909aab.html

17 K's in a no-no, even if it is Air Force is amazing.

[JHG722]

http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/050909aab.html

17 K's in a no-no, even if it is Air Force is amazing.

While I think it's terrible that there's no rookie scale to prevent this kid from asking for $60,000,00 he's freakin filthy.

[Tha Wootster]

OH NOES GREINKE ALLOWED RUNS. Cy Young my ass!

[SuperKevin]

Ryan Zimmerman's hit streak is probably going to end tonight :(

[scottyboy]

Glenallen Hill>>>>>>>>> Burrell>Ibanez>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kapler

[HChu]

Austin Kearns you sexy beast.

[HChu]

27 games baby!

[JHG722]

26 games baby!

Jesus, Zimmerman is good...

[SuperKevin]

Whew. Thank goodness that whenever I post that something's going to happen the opposite usually happens. Zimmerman extends the streak!

[Borat]

Dear Fred Lewis/Aaron Rowand,

Kill yourself.

-Brent

Funny thing is the sabr dorks think Fred Lewis is a good defensive outfielder. LMAO.

[Brodeur]

Glenallen Hill>>>>>>>>> Burrell>Ibanez>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kapler

Jay Buhner >>>>>>> Pat the Bat >>>>>> Ibanez > Kapler > Glenallen Hill.

[JHG722]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03K94lEgnzeNf/340x.jpg

What a mug...

[scottyboy]

Jay Buhner >>>>>>> Pat the Bat >>>>>> Ibanez > Kapler > Glenallen Hill.

Chile Davis>>>>>>>>Jay Buhner>>>>>>>Glenallen Hill>>>>>>>Pat the bat>>>>>>>.Ibanez>>>>>>>>Adam Eaton>>>>>>>>>>Gabe Kapler

[JHG722]

Wow, Greinke is having a terrible, terrible outing: one run and FOUR hits. Geez...

[Xiomera]

Edwin Jackson tonight: 7 IP, 0 Runs Allowed, 5 H, 1 BB, 7 K

Lowered his ERA to 2.60

Just sayin . . .

[Boston]

Wow. Cubs pitchers have walked Brewers hitters nine times today...

[Hines]

Chile Davis>>>>>>>>Jay Buhner>>>>>>>Glenallen Hill>>>>>>>Pat the bat>>>>>>>.Ibanez>>>>>>>>Adam Eaton>>>>>>>>>>Gabe Kapler

Andy Van Slyke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buhner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hill>>>>>Pat>>>>>RI>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eaton>>>>Gapler

[sbh15]

Dear Red Sox starting pitching. Find the restart button.

That is all.

[Xiomera]

Andy Van Slyke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buhner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hill>>>>>Pat>>>>>RI>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eaton>>>>Gapler

You know where Andy Van Slyke is today?

Tigers First Base/OF coach.

[SuperKevin]

Billy Ripken>All

[JHG722]

Greinke loses. Forget Cy Young. I hope they figure out what's wrong with him :(