2009 MLB Discussion Thread

[JHG722]

Martin Stairs with a clutch hit!!!!!!!!!

Phills take the lead :)

[KCJ58]

Griffey coming up big

[JHG722]

I hope Brad Lidge gets shot in the face.

[KCJ58]

I love you rafael furcal

[ChezPower4]

Yankees lost today :(

[M.O.T.H.]

hey, hey Nate got his first hit.

edit...and stolen base. :)

[JHG722]

I hate you Rafael Furcal

[Paul]

Jon Lester is doing something I don't agree with.

[ChezPower4]

Jon Lester is doing something I don't agree with.

What would that be?

[JHG722]

What would that be?

He is not allowing the Rangers' batters to do well offensively :P

[KCJ58]

Andre Ethier is my Hero!!!

[JHG722]

Andre Ethier is a schmuck.

[KCJ58]

Andre Ethier is a schmuck.

back 2 back days with walk off hits?

the only schmuck I know is named Jayson Werthless

[M.O.T.H.]

woop, Braves just gave up a homer. 1-0. We're in trouble. :(

[Paul]

Through 6 and Lester is still being uncool.

[Brodeur]

Andre Ethier is my Hero!!!

I'd expect your hero to have defensive capabilities.

[Paul]

Woo, Michael Young ends it.

[M.O.T.H.]

hmm...first we get a leadoff triple, who is quickly thrown out at home the next at bat. Then we load them up in the same inning and what does this equate to? Zero runs.

[ChezPower4]

hmm...first we get a leadoff triple, who is quickly thrown out at home the next at bat. Then we load them up in the same inning and what does this equate to? Zero runs.

Sounds like the White Sox offense of late

[Brodeur]

Edwin Jackson is ******* awesome.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Edwin Jackson is ******* awesome.

8-13 Gb/fb and a 5 k/9 screams dominance, Niemman's CG was better.

[JHG722]

back 2 back days with walk off hits?

the only schmuck I know is named Jayson Werthless

Jayson Werthless the schmuck has a ring on his finger.

Edwin Jackson is ******* awesome.

This.

I <3 Jonny L

[Brodeur]

8-13 Gb/fb and a 5 k/9 screams dominance, Niemman's CG was better.

Jackson had a much higher WPA for this CG than Niemann did (for god sakes Tampa spell his name right).

[Boston]

Hellen Keller is a better home plate umpire than Marvin Hudson. Just ******* horrible.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Jackson had a much higher WPA for this CG than Niemann did (for god sakes Tampa spell his name right).

Did you just use WPA? You're dead to me.

(Honestly, all I've memorised is he has a double consonant somewhere.)

[Brodeur]

Did you just use WPA? You're dead to me.

(Honestly, all I've memorised is he has a double consonant somewhere.)

On a one game basis it can work. Plus, you refuse to acknowledge that Jackson is finally breaking out.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

On a one game basis it can work. Plus, you refuse to acknowledge that Jackson is finally breaking out.

Not when comparing pitchers.

Also, I'll sigbet that he'll give up 4+ runs next start.

[thetedginnshow]

Stupid Prince. I'm trying to trade for you in fantasy!

[Brodeur]

Not when comparing pitchers.

Also, I'll sigbet that he'll give up 4+ runs next start.

I sure as hell know he won't allow 4+ runs to the White Sox, but I'm not the biggest fan of sig bets.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I sure as hell know he won't allow 4+ runs to the White Sox, but I'm not the biggest fan of sig bets.

Oh, ew, nevertheless, when he faces the rays he will give up a bagillion.

[Brodeur]

Oh, ew, nevertheless, when he faces the rays he will give up a bagillion.

Melvin being significantly worse than his younger brother this season says no to this.

[M.O.T.H.]

Hey look at that, we got shut out again. shocking. :(

[princefielder28]

Hey look at that, we got shut out again. shocking. :(

You guys had so many opportunities and hit so many right at our defenders.

[M.O.T.H.]

You guys had so many opportunities and hit so many right at our defenders.

It really is amazing that we're even hovering around .500, they dont score, like ever. I thought against Suppan we'd wake up a little bit tonight but nope. Tough to watch this team. Atleast Nate got a few hits and hopefully Chipper isnt out for an extended amount of time, not that it really matters. :(:(:(

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Melvin being significantly worse than his younger brother this season says no to this.

Best run differential in the AL says hi.

[draftguru151]

Lindstrom you ****. Leo ftw.

[holt_bruce81]

John Mozeliak wake the **** up.

The team you say is in a "good place" is going to find themselves in 4th place if you continue to do absolutely nothing.

[Xiomera]

8-13 Gb/fb and a 5 k/9 screams dominance, Niemman's CG was better.

Haha, Jackson's last two starts he's gone 17 innings allowing one run and you still find fault in his performance.

Joyce is good, but I'd take the pitcher over the hitter any day.

[scottyboy]

tampa, i'm going to the Rays-Yanks game tomorrow!!!

what's the pitching matchup? i'm too lazy to look it up but I'm pretty sure I heard Wang's pitching tomorrow and i cried

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Haha, Jackson's last two starts he's gone 17 innings allowing one run and you still find fault in his performance.

Joyce is good, but I'd take the pitcher over the hitter any day.

Garza/shields/price/niemann/davis/hellboy > e-jax

[Brodeur]

tampa, i'm going to the Rays-Yanks game tomorrow!!!

what's the pitching matchup? i'm too lazy to look it up but I'm pretty sure I heard Wang's pitching tomorrow and i cried

It's fatass vs Whack Job. And Rice boy sucks ass and don't ever call him better than Jackson.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

tampa, i'm going to the Rays-Yanks game tomorrow!!!

what's the pitching matchup? i'm too lazy to look it up but I'm pretty sure I heard Wang's pitching tomorrow and i cried

Garza vs. Joba, prepare to watch Garza dominate.

[Hines]

Brad Lincoln throws yet another gem but doesn't get a decision because his offense blows.

I hope the Pirates decide to promote him soon.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

It's fatass vs Whack Job. And Rice boy sucks ass and don't ever call him better than Jackson.

When he has a consistent release point he's a damn good pitcher.

[The Dynasty]

Garza vs. Joba, prepare to watch Garza dominate.

If Joba pitches like he did in Cleveland and if your saying Garza will dominate it could be a hell of a pitching duel.

[Brodeur]

When he has a consistent release point he's a damn good pitcher.

Too bad that doesn't happen very often.

Gary Thorne is an awesome commentator.

[JHG722]

Rockies signed Adam Eaton. LMAO

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Rockies signed Adam Eaton. LMAO

Jason Hammel has a friend!

[JHG722]

If Joba pitches like he did in Cleveland and if your saying Garza will dominate it could be a hell of a pitching duel.

Or if he pitches like he did when I was in Texas, Pena might hit 5 home runs.

[Brodeur]

Rockies signed Adam Eaton. LMAO

Eaton's whirlwind journey of sucking for every team continues.

[Borat]

Garza/shields/price/niemann/davis/hellboy > e-jax

Niemann is not better than Edwin Jackson. Come on Tampa.

[Xiomera]

Garza/shields/price/niemann/davis/hellboy > e-jax

Much of that is open to debate and ridicule.

You still wish you had him. Kazmir isn't exactly lighting the world on fire these days, haha.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Much of that is open to debate and ridicule.

You still wish you had him. Kazmir isn't exactly lighting the world on fire these days, haha.

You can have edwin when he regresses to sucksville.

Kaz was CLEARLY hurt all year.

[Xiomera]

You can have edwin when he regresses to sucksville.

Kaz was CLEARLY hurt all year.

2.16 ERA . . .

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Niemann is not better than Edwin Jackson. Come on Tampa.

I still think if his arm can hold up, he can be a solid 3-4 starter. He's finally found mechanics he's comfortable with.

[Xiomera]

I still think if his arm can hold up, he can be a solid 3-4 starter. He's finally found mechanics he's comfortable with.

And Edwin has finally realized his potential . . .

[Borat]

I still think if his arm can hold up, he can be a solid 3-4 starter. He's finally found mechanics he's comfortable with.

I'm skeptical. But there's still time.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

2.16 ERA . . .

Career lows in fb/hr and BABIP, still has a k-rate well below what his stuff would dictate, his control HAS gotten better.

[Smokey Joe]

I was so pissed when I read Detroit got Jackson for only Matt freaking Joyce. You can't teach the stuff he has, and he would look damn good in the White Sox rotation. I'm pissed that we didn't make a better offer than Detroit for Jackson.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I was so pissed when I read Detroit got Jackson for only Matt freaking Joyce. You can't teach the stuff he has, and he would look damn good in the White Sox rotation. I'm pissed that we didn't make a better offer than Detroit for Jackson.

Joyce is damn good, to be fair.

[Boston]

Joyce is damn good, to be fair.

Of course he is...he plays for the Rays.

[Smokey Joe]

Smokey Joe revisiting the McLouth trade:

What a slap in the face to Pirate fans. The joke of a franchise called the Pirates decided to trade away their best player on fan favorite for 3 minor leaguers. I understand the logic to open up CF for McCutchen, but considering RF has crap in it right now for Pitt, it would have made a ton of sense to move McLouth there.

Instead, they trade McLouth for a decent no. 4 or 5 starter and two guys with upside but are still quite a ways away. What a slap in the face to the fans.

[Smokey Joe]

Joyce is damn good, to be fair.
No he isn't. He's solid, but far from damn good.

[Brodeur]

McLouth isn't anything special Smokey, so no it is not a slap in the face to Hines (since I'm assuming he's the last Pirate fan).

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Of course he is...he plays for the Rays.

Don't be a ******* ******, he's a plus power RF with a good glove.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

McLouth isn't anything special Smokey, so no it is not a slap in the face to Hines (since I'm assuming he's the last Pirate fan).

Seriously, The bay trade was three times the bad deal this was.

[bearsfan_51]

I remember when Tigers fans hated the Jackson trade and I stuck up for him.

Coincidently, I only remember when I am right.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

No he isn't. He's solid, but far from damn good.

Better OPS in AAA than Longoria or Wieters.

[Brodeur]

I remember when Tigers fans hated the Jackson trade and I stuck up for him.

Coincidently, I only remember when I am right.

I hated it because he sucked ass last year and this year he finally found his stuff.

[themaninblack]

Escaped with a win tonight in extra innings vs the Cubbies. In the process we denied Matt Maloney his first win in his major league debut. He looked pretty darn good out there tonight even with our defense helping him out tremendously. Chris Dickerson has been ridiculous defensively in replacing the injured Wily Tavares in Center Field. Really nice to see him play to his ability out there in the field after a really shaky start.

We NEED another win tomorrow. Badly.

[holt_bruce81]

Escaped with a win tonight in extra innings vs the Cubbies. In the process we denied Matt Maloney his first win in his major league debut. He looked pretty darn good out there tonight even with our defense helping him out tremendously. Chris Dickerson has been ridiculous defensively in replacing the injured Wily Tavares in Center Field. Really nice to see him play to his ability out there in the field after a really shaky start.

We NEED another win tomorrow. Badly.

I fear the Reds. Probably over anyone else in the Division. Walt Jocketty knows how to put a winning club together.

[themaninblack]

I fear the Reds. Probably over anyone else in the Division. Walt Jocketty knows how to put a winning club together.

I have to say I have been really impressed with how he has put this team together. Our role players/relative unknowns have been fantastic thus far in the season. If we can get our big 3 going(Votto, Bruce, Philly) simultaneously I can see this team making the playoffs.

Its also nice to have a farm system worth mentioning for the first time in about 15 years. God damnit I hate Jim Bowden and I can really empathize with the Nationals even though hes not there anymore.

[Smokey Joe]

Better OPS in AAA than Longoria or Wieters.
Oh really? wow... that makes him awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's a bit better but younger version of Gabe Gross, big whoop.

[Smokey Joe]

McLouth isn't anything special Smokey, so no it is not a slap in the face to Hines (since I'm assuming he's the last Pirate fan).
McLouth isn't the greatest player, but he's damn good.

He plays a decent CF (he's not GG worthy, but he's not as terrible as some make him out to be), and he hasn't even entered his prime yet. Look what he's been doing in Pittsburgh where his only protection in the lineup was Adam LaRoche and Eric Hinskie. Give him some real protection in the lineup with Chipper and McCann, and you're gonna see his BA, OBP, and SLG% go up. He's gonna get a lot more pitches to hit. Plus, he's cheap for the next 3 years.

In the next years for McLouth, I think you'll see something like:

.265-.275 BA, .360 OBP, .480 SLG% (.840 OPS), 25-30 HR, ~100 RBI, a whole lotta doubles, and 20+ SB. Man, I'll take anyday from my CF.

[Smokey Joe]

Seriously, The bay trade was three times the bad deal this was.
Actually, it really wasn't. I love Bay and he is a very good player, but he had only year left on his contract and wasn't gonna stick around in Pittsburgh. They got crap from the Red Sox, but Andy LaRoche looks pretty legit at 3B, and the one pitcher, Morris, is ranked high in their system.

They lost a lot with Bay, but if LaRoche pans out, you're talking about a big time bat from the 3B spot.

[Borat]

An outfield of Bay/McLouth/Nady is pretty good. They traded all those guys and yet their pitching is still awful.

[djp]

McLouth isn't the greatest player, but he's damn good.

He plays a decent CF (he's not GG worthy, but he's not as terrible as some make him out to be), and he hasn't even entered his prime yet. Look what he's been doing in Pittsburgh where his only protection in the lineup was Adam LaRoche and Eric Hinskie. Give him some real protection in the lineup with Chipper and McCann, and you're gonna see his BA, OBP, and SLG% go up. He's gonna get a lot more pitches to hit. Plus, he's cheap for the next 3 years.

In the next years for McLouth, I think you'll see something like:

.265-.275 BA, .360 OBP, .480 SLG% (.840 OPS), 25-30 HR, ~100 RBI, a whole lotta doubles, and 20+ SB. Man, I'll take anyday from my CF.

He was the worst defensive center fielder in the majors last year yet still won the Gold Glove.

From Rob Neyer

According to John Dewan's Fielding Bible data, McLouth was 40 plays worse than average, dead last among major league outfielders. According to Baseball Prospectus, McLouth was 17 runs -- runs, not plays -- worse than an average center fielder. According to Bill James' win shares, McLouth's outfield defense was 46th-most-valuable in the majors. This is exactly the sort of award that only damages the reputation of the honor.

So how on Earth could McLouth win a Gold Glove? The voters aren't talking, and I'm a lousy mind reader, but here's a guess: After the voters settled on Beltran and Victorino, they couldn't figure out who belonged in that third slot. Jeff Francoeur won last year, but he didn't hit this year, so -- as the "thinking" goes -- he must have been a lousy fielder, too (which he was, actually). Aaron Rowand won last year, but his hitting fell off a ton, too. (Plus, he didn't deserve the Gold Glove last year anyway. He won only because he slammed into a wall without dropping a fly ball.)

Who, then? Well, there's this kid in Pittsburgh, looks good in a uniform, is shocking the world with his bat … and did you happen to notice that he made only one error all season long? My guess is that at the end of the season, all the Gold Glove voters -- the managers and coaches -- are supplied with statistics. Just the old standards, of course. Even things like assists and putouts are meaningless to most of the voters. What they can understand, though, are errors and fielding percentage. And if you judge fielders by errors and fielding percentage, you have to allow that Nate McLouth was an excellent center fielder.

[scottyboy]

It's fatass vs Whack Job. And Rice boy sucks ass and don't ever call him better than Jackson.

YESSSSSSS

i really didn't wanna see our big Wang flop in person. But it's Joba :D

I hope Garza gets sent to a mental institute around the 5th

[Sniper]

Nice to see Lester have a good outing last night.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Oh really? wow... that makes him awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's a bit better but younger version of Gabe Gross, big whoop.

Gross was a 2 WAR player, Joyce is probably 3-4 WAR guy, maybe 5 in his prime if he can hit for average.

So yes, I'd take him over Mcclouth

[Smokey Joe]

Gross was a 2 WAR player, Joyce is probably 3-4 WAR guy, maybe 5 in his prime if he can hit for average.

So yes, I'd take him over Mcclouth
I hope you meant Gross... you'd have to be stupid to take Joyce over McLouth.

[Hines]

McLouth isn't anything special Smokey, so no it is not a slap in the face to Hines (since I'm assuming he's the last Pirate fan).

He was our building block and the best power-speed guy on our roster. Now that we traded him, we have zero power it seems like. Doumit is always hurt so I am not going to count him.

Bay-McClouth-Nady was a great outfield for the Pirates. Work on the pitching, and this team could've been a pretty good team. Only the Pirates.

So instead of seeing an outfield of McClouth-McCutchen-Tabata, we will be looking at Cutch-Hernandez-Tabata.

[Malaka]

I haven't watched much baseball but I just looked at some stats... Melky Cabrera is NOT worthless?!?!??!?!?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Tampa, why did you lie to me? I was told Edwin Jackson was not good when the Mets discussed him. I expect more from you.


I say this knowing there is a solid shot of regression.

[Smokey Joe]

I say this knowing there is a solid shot of regression.
Fail...... :D

[Smokey Joe]

I'd give my left nut to get Ian Stewart on the white sox. The guy has a ridiculous amount of power. Give him another couple years of learning the game and improving, and you got yourself a stud power bat in the middle of your lineup.

[M.O.T.H.]

Tommy Hanson time. :)

[Tampa 2 4 life]

He was our building block and the best power-speed guy on our roster. Now that we traded him, we have zero power it seems like. Doumit is always hurt so I am not going to count him.

Bay-McClouth-Nady was a great outfield for the Pirates. Work on the pitching, and this team could've been a pretty good team. Only the Pirates.

So instead of seeing an outfield of McClouth-McCutchen-Tabata, we will be looking at Cutch-Hernandez-Tabata.

The only way to GET pitching was to trade those OFers for spects.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I hope you meant Gross... you'd have to be stupid to take Joyce over McLouth.

I guess I'm stupid for taking the younger, better fielder.

[M.O.T.H.]

None of you know how to spell Mclouth...or better yet, McLouth. Only one C.

He's leading off tonight with no Chipper in the lineup.

edit...well Chipper is in the lineup, Bobby just wanted to switch for today.

[M.O.T.H.]

Wow, I think Tommy Hanson just impregnated every woman in the stadium with those last two curve balls. wowowowowow.

Just struck out the side.

[Smokey Joe]

I guess I'm stupid for taking the younger, better fielder.
Yeah, you are. McLouth is a much better player than Joyce.

[princefielder28]

Wow, I think Tommy Hanson just impregnated every woman in the stadium with those last two curve balls. wowowowowow.

Just struck out the side.

That's gonna be alot of big boys, good genes too.

[Smokey Joe]

Hanson ain't that bad of a hitter either.

[princefielder28]

Ryan Braun > Tommy Hanson

[M.O.T.H.]

Tommy didnt look too happy after Yunel booted that one. I figured something like that would happen. :( Braves may be tapped out at two runs. lol.

[M.O.T.H.]

Parra ripped that one.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Yeah, you are. McLouth is a much better player than Joyce.

Right now? Probably. In the future? Doubt it.

[djp]

McLouth is certainly overrated .. the fact that people claim he isn't a bad fielder just makes me shudder

[Brodeur]

I'd take Joyce over McLouth in a heartbeat.

[T-RICH49]

I hate Roy Halladay

[Tha Wootster]

Halladay is the man.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Halladay is the man.

Can anyone say this enough?

[themaninblack]

Thank you Marmol.

[djp]

I'd take Joyce over McLouth in a heartbeat.

I don't know enough about Joyce (nor care) to make that statement, but there sure are a hell of a lot of OF I would take to play centerfield for me.

[Brodeur]

Edwin Jackson's current tRA is 2.73. The closest Ray is James Shields with a tRA of 4.57.

Booyakasha.

[themaninblack]

Haha Bases loaded thanks Heilman ur awesome.



EDIT: I love Jonny Gomes.

[ChezPower4]

I'm sooo glad the Cubs bullpen is good.........

[Paul]

LOL, did they really send David Ortiz on that?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Edwin Jackson's current tRA is 2.73. The closest Ray is James Shields with a tRA of 4.57.

Booyakasha.

tra* ************

[Brodeur]

tra* ************

Okay, Edwin Jackson's tRA* is 4.24. The next closest Ray is James Shields with a tRA* of 4.67 (tied with Jason Marquis and Carl Pavano).

Booyakasha.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Okay, Edwin Jackson's tRA* is 4.24. The next closest Ray is James Shields with a tRA* of 4.67 (tied with Jason Marquis and Carl Pavano).

Booyakasha.

He'll still regress. :<

[thetedginnshow]

Oh my Cardinals.

[The Dynasty]

Wooo the Yankees came back again to Lead in the bottom of the eight 4-3.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Wooo the Yankees came back again to Lead in the bottom of the eight 4-3.

I hate Yankee Stadium umpiring.

[aNYtitan]

I hate...idk...I really don't have anyone to hate on the Rays. But you must admit that Aybar booted that ball so badly. That is a play Longoria makes easily

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I hate...idk...I really don't have anyone to hate on the Rays. But you must admit that Aybar booted that ball so badly. That is a play Longoria makes easily

Aybar booted it, but this is what I'm really pissed about.

JP Vs. Cano

http://brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_06/day_07/gid_2009_06_07_tbamlb_nyamlb_1//pbp/pitchers/434442.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1

[Chucky]

Halladsy for Cy Young

[aNYtitan]

Aybar booted it, but this is what I'm really pissed about.

JP Vs. Cano

http://brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_06/day_07/gid_2009_06_07_tbamlb_nyamlb_1//pbp/pitchers/434442.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1
Yeah, I'll give it to you first pitch was right there, but everyone always blames the umpires, Howell just kept going with low breaking balls.

Now its gritty Mo vs Longo

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Yeah, I'll give it to you it was right there, but everyone always blames the umpires, Howell just kept going with low breaking balls.

Now its gritty Mo vs Longo

This won't end well for me.

[aNYtitan]

Shuck on it people who say Mo is done as a closer. Its better then the Rays bullpen situation

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Oh well, good job by the skanks offense and a ****** job by our D/Balfour.

[Damix]

As long as it isn't a tie, Mo is still great.

[The Dynasty]

Yankees have 20 comeback wins this year.

[aNYtitan]

Oh well, good job by the skanks offense and a ****** job by our D/Balfour.

Hey, I don't think Howell helped the situation either

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Hey, I don't think Howell helped the situation either

Two Groundballs, a K, and a Walk isn't bad.

[aNYtitan]

Two Groundballs, a K, and a Walk isn't bad.

The walk brought in a run. If anything, you should be pitching to contact. I'll give you the ground balls, but Matsui's busted ass ran it out

[JHG722]

Nice job by Tommy H.

Btw, Doc is the best pitcher in baseball. The end.

[VoteLynnSwan]

i was just about to post something to the extent of "Will someone please take Alfonso Soriano off our hands?"

well I still want him gone anyway.

[Brodeur]

I can't help but laugh every time the Reds pitching coach comes out.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I can't help but laugh every time the Reds pitching coach comes out.

"Cueto, what you need to do son, is punch yourself in the rotator cuff 5 times, because the more sore you are, the better you pitch."

[Brodeur]

"Cueto, what you need to do son, is punch yourself in the rotator cuff 5 times, because the more sore you are, the better you pitch."

That was more of a Dick Pole joke than that, but that works too.

[thetedginnshow]

Pirates fans, how has Andrew McCutchen looked?

[bearsfan_51]

My next-door neighbor is related to Dick Pole. True story.

[Smokey Joe]

Right now? Probably. In the future? Doubt it.
I doubt Joyce ever becomes better than an average everyday player.

[Smokey Joe]

He'll still regress. :<
Why don't you just admit how horrible of a trade that was?

You don't trade pitchers with Jackson's type of stuff for freaking Matt Joyce.

[djp]

Oakland's non-stop injury parade isn't limited to the big-league level. Now top pitching prospect Michael Ynoa, the 17-year-old sensation from the Dominican Republic, is out of action because of elbow soreness.

According to assistant general manager David Forst, Ynoa had an MRI exam last week that will be reviewed by Drs. Doug Freedberg and John Frazier. Ynoa had been doing a throwing program at the A's minor-league complex in Phoenix and there was hope he would pitch in the Arizona Rookie League this summer.

"We're in the process of determining how severe it is," Forst said.

The A's gave Ynoa a record-setting $4.25 million signing bonus in July.

uh oh... the legend grows...

[Smokey Joe]

McLouth is certainly overrated .. the fact that people claim he isn't a bad fielder just makes me shudder
He isn't a terrible fielder. He's certainly not great, but he makes most of the routine plays and can get by. He's destined for a Corner OF spot, but he can get by in CF in smaller OF's. Plus, he provides a ton of offense for CF that helps make up for what you lose in CF.

[the decider13]

That was more of a Dick Pole joke than that, but that works too.

Any relation to Buck Naked?

[Borat]

Jeebus, the Giants hate Tim Lincecum. They got runners at 2nd and 3rd and no outs and proceed to have both of them thrown out at the plate. Ridiculous. Hey Tim, we got you one run. Make it stand up. No big deal, right?

[JHG722]

DBacks bullpen blows.

[Smokey Joe]

Jeebus, the Giants hate Tim Lincecum. They got runners at 2nd and 3rd and no outs and proceed to have both of them thrown out at the plate. Ridiculous. Hey Tim, we got you one run. Make it stand up. No big deal, right?
At least you have have Lincecum...

[Borat]

At least you have the opportunity to waste Lincecum...

cleaned that up for ya.

[draftguru151]

Nolasco started so well. :(

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Why don't you just admit how horrible of a trade that was?

You don't trade pitchers with Jackson's type of stuff for freaking Matt Joyce.

Daniel Cabrera!


Edit:The fact that you think Joyce is worse than McLouth in terms of trade value is hilarious.

[Smokey Joe]

Daniel Cabrera!


Edit:The fact that you think Joyce is worse than McLouth in terms of trade value is hilarious.
No, what's hilarious is you trying to cover up the huge gaff the Rays made in trading Jackson by keep saying Jackson is getting lucky and that Matt Joyce is the greatest player everz......

Also, please explain to me how a 25 year old who hasn't proven **** in the majors is worth more than a 28 year old who has proven to be a very solid player. The only thing Joyce has shown that he can match of McLouth's is his power. For pete's sake, McLouth is a potential 30-30-30 (HR-2B-SB) player.

[Smokey Joe]

Can any Mets fans tell me why the Mets asked Ricky Henderson not to come back? I heard something about problems in the club house???

[Xiomera]

I love how Edwin Jackson (of all people) is the most divisive player in this discussion thread, haha.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

No, what's hilarious is you trying to cover up the huge gaff the Rays made in trading Jackson by keep saying Jackson is getting lucky and that Matt Joyce is the greatest player everz......

Also, please explain to me how a 25 year old who hasn't proven **** in the majors is worth more than a 28 year old who has proven to be a very solid player. The only thing Joyce has shown that he can match of McLouth's is his power. For pete's sake, McLouth is a potential 30-30-30 (HR-2B-SB) player.

I'm not saying Joyce is the greatest player everz. I'm saying he'll be an above average player, and that Jackson IS getting lucky.

Well, Defense matters for one. Notice how I said trade value, 6 years of Joyce(Who'll be better in his prime anyway) > MCLouth

[Brodeur]

I love how Edwin Jackson (of all people) is the most divisive player in this discussion thread, haha.

A certain Phillies douche says hi.

[Xiomera]

A certain Phillies douche says hi.

Uhh . . . Jamie Moyer?

[thetedginnshow]

Bastardo. What a great name.

[Smokey Joe]

I'm not saying Joyce is the greatest player everz. I'm saying he'll be an above average player, and that Jackson IS getting lucky.

Well, Defense matters for one. Notice how I said trade value, 6 years of Joyce(Who'll be better in his prime anyway) > MCLouth
Please tell me how Jackson is getting lucky... Oh I know, he's lucky god gifted him with such a great arm. He's lucky that's he's pounding his fastball up there in the mid-high 90's with consistency and that he's lucky he has a sick slider. He's lucky he's vastly improved his control and doesn't walk nearly as many batters. He's lucky his WHIP is under 1 and his BA Against is .208... Yeah, he's really lucky!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And McLouth would be a fine corner outfielder. I guarantee Joyce won't be better in his prime. Joyce will likely be a better version of Gabe Gross. And if you recall, Gabe Gross was once highly touted, even more touted then your precious Matt Joyce.

[Borat]

A certain Phillies douche says hi.

And prior to this season, that douche would have been Ryan Howard.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Please tell me how Jackson is getting lucky... Oh I know, he's lucky god gifted him with such a great arm. He's lucky that's he's pounding his fastball up there in the mid-high 90's with consistency and that he's lucky he has a sick slider. He's lucky he's vastly improved his control and doesn't walk nearly as many batters. He's lucky his WHIP is under 1 and his BA Against is .208... Yeah, he's really lucky!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And McLouth would be a fine corner outfielder. I guarantee Joyce won't be better in his prime. Joyce will likely be a better version of Gabe Gross. And if you recall, Gabe Gross was once highly touted, even more touted then your precious Matt Joyce.

Wow, using such proven stats as WHIP and BA! I don't even know how to reply to this.

[Xiomera]

Wow, using such proven stats as WHIP and BA! I don't even know how to reply to this.

What will it take for you to believe he's a legit #2 starter?

A full season of pitching like this? More? Hell to freeze over?

[Brodeur]

Jackson is getting lucky because his BABIP is abnormally low and he is allowing far too many fly balls and he won't be able to maintain his low HR/FB%. However, even if the breaks catch up to him, he still should be a quality starter which he wasn't with the Rays or Dodgers.

[Smokey Joe]

Wow, using such proven stats as WHIP and BA! I don't even know how to reply to this.
I don't care, use your goofball stats. I don't need a bunch of sabremetric stats to figure out if someone is good or not. Give me K:BB, ERA, GO/AO, WHIP, BA Against, K per 9 IP, and some film, and it's easy to tell if their good or not.

I don't need to see what his HFJKDF or LKAW or any other made up crap is. Watch baseball, don't look at stats.

[Brodeur]

I don't care, use your goofball stats. I don't need a bunch of sabremetric stats to figure out if someone is good or not. Give me K:BB, ERA, GO/AO, WHIP, BA Against, K per 9 IP, and some film, and it's easy to tell if their good or not.

I don't need to see what his HFJKDF or LKAW or any other made up crap is. Watch baseball, don't look at stats.

I'm going to pretend I didn't see this and I'll feel a lot better for it.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I'm going to pretend I didn't see this and I'll feel a lot better for it.

High-Five for repression?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I don't need to see what his HFJKDF or LKAW or any other made up crap is. Watch baseball, don't look at stats.


Clearly, you are the only person here to watch baseball. You're vast knowledge of the game that you learn from watching it is just mesmerizing. Bill James and company look at stats. They do not not watch games. This is how you learn baseball, watch the games. Evolved statistics that give you a true understanding of what you are watching... ********. Thank you for breathing some fresh air into this thread Smokey Joe.

[Smokey Joe]

Jackson is getting lucky because his BABIP is abnormally low and he is allowing far too many fly balls and he won't be able to maintain his low HR/FB%. However, even if the breaks catch up to him, he still should be a quality starter which he wasn't with the Rays or Dodgers.
Jackson's always gonna be a flyball pitcher. Fastballs like his don't normally induce groundballs. He gets by because hitters are usually late on his fastballs, and can't get good wood on it. With his stuff and if he's throwing strikes, it's awfully tough to hit the ball well off of him.

I'm not saying he's gonna keep this up, but there's no reason not to think he can't be a very good no. 2 or no. 3 if he throws strikes.

Also, BABIP is such a crappy stat. With the way Jackson has been pitching, of course his BABIP is gonna be low. There is no stat for luck. It's just stupid.

[Brodeur]

High-Five for repression?

You know it.

And I love me some ATL.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Jackson is getting lucky because his BABIP is abnormally low and he is allowing far too many fly balls and he won't be able to maintain his low HR/FB%. However, even if the breaks catch up to him, he still should be a quality starter which he wasn't with the Rays or Dodgers.

This This This This This x100000

[Smokey Joe]

Clearly, you are the only person here to watch baseball. You're vast knowledge of the game that you learn from watching it is just mesmerizing. Bill James and company look at stats. They do not not watch games. This is how you learn baseball, watch the games. Evolved statistics that give you a true understanding of what you are watching... ********. Thank you for breathing some fresh air into this thread Smokey Joe.
Evolved statistics? Give me a ******* break. They just combine a bunch of **** and say this determines if a player is lucky or not. Or if you combine this, this, and this, you can tell this player is awesome, and so on. That's ******* crap. Stats never ever tell the whole story, and today people have come to look way too much into them.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Evolved statistics? Give me a ******* break. They just combine a bunch of **** and say this determines if a player is lucky or not. Or if you combine this, this, and this, you can tell this player is awesome, and so on. That's ******* crap. Stats never ever tell the whole story, and today people have come to look way too much into them.

Nobody ever does research on correlation of these stats? News to me.

[yo123]

Also, BABIP is such a crappy stat. With the way Jackson has been pitching, of course his BABIP is gonna be low. There is no stat for luck. It's just stupid.


Yeah, I'm not against saber stats but I don't 100% get this one. If your facing a good pitcher you aren't going to get good wood on the ball as often right? And balls that aren't hit as well=outs. (Most of the time.)

I'm not necessarily disagreeing I'd just like an explanation.

[Smokey Joe]

Yeah, I'm not against saber stats but I don't 100% get this one. If your facing a good pitcher you aren't going to get good wood on the ball as often right? And balls that aren't hit as well=outs. (Most of the time.)

I'm not necessarily disagreeing I'd just like an explanation.
My understanding is that every ball put into play is considered the same, but that itself is crap.

Also, it does not take into account defensive positioning. That itself is a huge flaw.

And another thing I hate about the PECOTA nuts is that strikeouts are no different than any other out, and that's ******* BS.

[Brodeur]

Yeah, I'm not against saber stats but I don't 100% get this one. If your facing a good pitcher you aren't going to get good wood on the ball as often right? And balls that aren't hit as well=outs. (Most of the time.)

I'm not necessarily disagreeing I'd just like an explanation.

Even great pitchers have BABIP's of around .290-.300 on average.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

My understanding is that every ball put into play is considered the same, but that itself is crap.

Also, it does not take into account defensive positioning. That itself is a huge flaw.

And another thing I hate about the PECOTA nuts is that strikeouts are no different than any other out, and that's ******* BS.


Which is more likely to be converted into an out? A strike out or a ground ball?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

My understanding is that every ball put into play is considered the same, but that itself is crap.

Also, it does not take into account defensive positioning. That itself is a huge flaw.

And another thing I hate about the PECOTA nuts is that strikeouts are no different than any other out, and that's ******* BS.

How I use BABIP, is I take expected BABIP from (LD% + .120), and then compare that to BABIP.

Defensive Positioning doesn't matter, really.

Strikeouts are only very slightly more damaging than regular outs.

[Smokey Joe]

Which is more likely to be converted into an out? A strike out or a ground ball?
Which has a greater chance of you getting you on base and/or moving a runner along... a strike out or a ground ball???

[Brodeur]

My understanding is that every ball put into play is considered the same, but that itself is crap.

Also, it does not take into account defensive positioning. That itself is a huge flaw.

And another thing I hate about the PECOTA nuts is that strikeouts are no different than any other out, and that's ******* BS.

http://halfbackflanker.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/watchmen-movie-doctor-manhattan-multiple.jpg

PECOTA DOES NOT RESPOND WELL TO SLANDER. That was for Tampa

[yo123]

How I use BABIP, is I take expected BABIP from (LD% + .120), and then compare that to BABIP.

Defensive Positioning doesn't matter, really.

Strikeouts are only very slightly more damaging than regular outs.


See that makes sense, but a lot of the time I see people just looking at BABIP individually without LD rate which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[SuperKevin]

I went to all 3 Mets/Nats games this weekend. Saturday sucked

[Smokey Joe]

How I use BABIP, is I take expected BABIP from (LD% + .120), and then compare that to BABIP.

Defensive Positioning doesn't matter, really.

Strikeouts are only very slightly more damaging than regular outs.
I think LD% is a bad stat in itself. Who determines what's a line drive or not? From what I've read, they've got a trajectory of every ball hit. But does that take into account weakly hit soft line drives? And if they go by trajectory, they don't take into account hard hit grounders, fly ball home runs, and fly balls that just missed from being home runs. All very important when determining luck.

Hitting a baseball hard or soft is a matter of eye lashes. A pitcher can give up 15 fly ball outs that were just missed from being home runs, and his LD% would stay low, even though he got lucky as hell.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I think LD% is a bad stat in itself. Who determines what's a line drive or not? From what I've read, they've got a trajectory of every ball hit. But does that take into account weakly hit soft line drives? And if they go by trajectory, they don't take into account hard hit grounders, fly ball home runs, and fly balls that just missed from being home runs. All very important when determining luck.

Hitting a baseball hard or soft is a matter of eye lashes. A pitcher can give up 15 fly ball outs that were just missed from being home runs, and his LD% would stay low, even though he got lucky as hell.

STATS is the company that does it, and Hit F/X, which has been introduced this year, should fix a lot of those problems. But the Hard/Soft issue is still small enough that I have no qualms using it in analysis.

[Smokey Joe]

I just hate the whole idea of predicting luck. It's bogus. You can't predict luck. And I'm not gonna buy anything saying someone is lucky or unlucky because a stat indicates that he may or may not be.

The only way I'll except the idea of Jackson being lucky if some unbiased person has seen every single start of his, and noticed that he was getting away with a lot of hard hit balls, a lot of bad pitches, and some wicked D.

[SuperKevin]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w62/Superkevin40/IMG_0439.jpg

FERNANDO!

[JHG722]

Ryan Howard hits one out after Chooch and Victorino hit ones out the previous inning.

Nice efficient outing by The Bastardo: 5 IP 7 H 2 ER 1 BB 4 K. 1.18 WHIP 2.45 ERA. I'll take that all day from the youngin.

[Borat]

Philly has a 5-run lead in the 9th. Will that be enough?

[themaninblack]

Wow we really blew it today. I can't believe how many chances we had to win and didn't take advantage.

[Donno]

Man the A's are on a 6 game winning streak, the young rotation is starting to come around and Vin Mazzaro is looking amazing.

[thetedginnshow]

Man the A's are on a 6 game winning streak, the young rotation is starting to come around and Vin Mazzaro is looking amazing.

Really? Great! I just picked him up in fantasy. :D

You wouldn't happen to know if Adam Kennedy is staying in the line-up when Ellis gets back, would you?

[JHG722]

Man the A's are on a 6 game winning streak, the young rotation is starting to come around and Vin Mazzaro is looking amazing.

Nice job by the Phillies to miss out on a guy from ****** Hackensack. Ugh.

[Donno]

Really? Great! I just picked him up in fantasy. :D

You wouldn't happen to know if Adam Kennedy is staying in the line-up when Ellis gets back, would you?

I really don't know what will happen, it will be really hard for management to pull out Kennedy from the lineup. I could see one of them going to 3rd base for the rest of the year if they both keep the bats up.

[Giantsfan1080]

Updated N.L. All Star Balloting:

CATCHERS
Yadier Molina, Cardinals (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=SLN), 874,329
Brian McCann, Braves (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=ATL), 660,523
Ivan Rodriguez, Astros (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=HOU), 625,389
Jason Kendall, Brewers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=MIL), 619,954
Carlos Ruiz, Phillies (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=PHI), 599,167

FIRST BASEMEN.
Albert Pujols, Cardinals (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=SLN), 1,751,945
Ryan Howard, Phillies (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=PHI), 876,149
Prince Fielder, Brewers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=MIL), 697,456
Adrian Gonzalez, Padres (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=SDN), 473,060
Joey Votto, Reds (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=CIN), 323,791

SECOND BASEMEN
Chase Utley, Phillies (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=PHI), 1,749,457
Orlando Hudson, Dodgers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=LAN), 735,973
Rickie Weeks, Brewers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=MIL), 560,670
Skip Schumaker, Cardinals (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=SLN), 425,636
Brandon Phillips, Reds (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=CIN), 302,035

THIRD BASEMEN
David Wright (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/players.php?player=david_wright), Mets, 994,855
Ryan Zimmerman, Nationals (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=WAS), 747,380
Chipper Jones, Braves (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=ATL), 640,598
Pedro (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/pitchers.php?player=pedro_martinez) Feliz, Phillies (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=PHI), 598,563
Bill Hall, Brewers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=MIL), 551,202

SHORTSTOPS
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=PHI), 936,377
Hanley Ramirez, Marlins (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=FLO), 871,917
J.J. Hardy, Brewers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=MIL), 662,474
Jose Reyes (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/players.php?player=jose_reyes), Mets, 526,591
Miguel Tejada (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/players.php?player=miguel_tejada), Astros (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=HOU), 462,941

OUTFIELDERS
Raul Ibañez, Phillies (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=PHI), 1,415,493
Ryan Braun, Brewers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=MIL), 1,269,033
Carlos Beltran (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/players.php?player=carlos_beltran), Mets, 1,092,516
Alfonso Soriano, Cubs (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=CHN), 1,078,904
Manny Ramirez, Dodgers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=LAN), 858,353
Shane Victorino, Phillies (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=PHI), 852,667
Mike Cameron (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/players.php?player=mike_cameron), Brewers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=MIL), 716,343
Jays (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=TOR)on Werth, Phillies (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=PHI), 636,818
Rick Ankiel, Cardinals (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=SLN), 615,875
Ryan Ludwick, Cardinals (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=SLN), 612,094
Corey Hart (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/players.php?player=corey_hart), Brewers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=MIL), 608,704
Adam Dunn, Nationals (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=WAS), 468,957
Matt Kemp, Dodgers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=LAN), 460,341
Andre Ethier, Dodgers (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=LAN), 427,680
Kosuke Fukudome, Cubs (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/team.php?team=CHN), 371,946

[M.O.T.H.]

Last time I checked, I could have swore Mccann and Chipper were no where to be found.

[Tha Wootster]

Wtf rollins over hanram ?

[Sniper]

Wtf rollins over hanram ?

The Phils' fans are awesome at stuffing ballot boxes, haha.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

I just did my all-star voting, here is who I have so far.

AL

C - Mauer
1B - Morneau
2B - Hill
SS - Jeter
3B - Longoria
OF - Bay
OF - A. Jones
OF - Crawford

NL

C - McCann
1B - Pujols
2B - Hudson
SS - Tejada
3B - C. Jones
OF - Ibanez
OF - Braun
OF - Upton

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Rollins an allstar with that crazy .260 OBP. Awesome.

[Giantsfan1080]

Rollins an allstar with that crazy .260 OBP. Awesome.

By the time the voting is finished he won't be in the lead.

[draftguru151]

I'm gonna go vote for Hanley a 100,000 times bbiab.

[Brodeur]

Rollins an allstar with that crazy .260 OBP. Awesome.

They meant to vote for Jimmy Collins, the 1898 NL leader in homers.

[Brodeur]

I'd trade Armando Galarraga or a bag of Skittles.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I'd trade Armando Galarraga or a bag of Skittles.

Gabe Kapler?

[Brodeur]

Gabe Kapler?

I'd rather have the bag of skittles.

[Tha Wootster]

I'd rather have the bag of skittles.

Original ?

[nobodyinparticular]

Really? Great! I just picked him up in fantasy. :D

You wouldn't happen to know if Adam Kennedy is staying in the line-up when Ellis gets back, would you?

The A's may try to give Kennedy a look at 3B over Crosby/JackHann when Ellis comes back. I'd say ride that Kennedy hot streak but as soon as he puts two bad weeks together, dump him.

[SuperKevin]

I've filled out like 50 All Star Ballots at the ballpark the past 2 weeks. I don't do homer votes though. Except I voted Ichiro into the Home Run Derby each time though

[Tampa 2 4 life]

DEAR ANDREW SONNANSTINE,

Stop sucking. Please?

[scottyboy]

I enjoy Nick Swisher so much it's not even funny. <3

[Brodeur]

DEAR ANDREW SONNANSTINE,

Stop sucking. Please?

Funny thing is I would have gladly taken him over Jackson in the Joyce trade a few months ago. Oh those were fun times.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Funny thing is I would have gladly taken him over Jackson in the Joyce trade a few months ago. Oh those were fun times.

Don't rub it in.

Also, I'm pretty sure Gabe Kapler just told Pettite to retire.

[draftguru151]

Chris Coghlan has been leading off the past few games. Ya happy brodeur?

[Brodeur]

Chris Coghlan has been leading off the past few games. Ya happy brodeur?

Well at least he knows what a walk is, unlike Emilio.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Well at least he knows what a walk is, unlike Emilio.

Although, I doubt he can keep up an OBP above .350 for much longer, but I still like him.

[Hines]

Nate McLouth just said **** you to the Pirates for trading him. Hit a homer.

[GB12]

Nate McLouth just said **** you to the Pirates for trading him. Hit a homer.
I seriously doubt that. I'm sure he's extremely happy to be out of Pittsburgh.

[draftguru151]

Although, I doubt he can keep up an OBP above .350 for much longer, but I still like him.

He's starting to hit so that should help it stay up there. Hopefully he can start stealing more now.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Who the hell is Sean West?

[draftguru151]

Who the hell is Sean West?

Pretty sure he's the Marlins top pitching prospect, been up for a few games because of injuries and is kinda killing the Giants atm. Has had some control issues in a few games but other than that he's been really good.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

DG,

What has been up with Uggla this year? I see that he has never hit above .280, but .222 seems a bit low. Does the team look past this because of his power numbers of 11 home runs, 40 RBIs, and a slugging percentage of .454?

[draftguru151]

He had a lot of really good ABs early on but just kept hitting the ball right at guys or guys would make great plays against him. Then after that he struggled for a bit but has been better lately.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Pretty sure he's the Marlins top pitching prospect, been up for a few games because of injuries and is kinda killing the Giants atm. Has had some control issues in a few games but other than that he's been really good.

Kinda Killing is a bit of an understatement.

[draftguru151]

Kinda Killing is a bit of an understatement.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I know man, I won 't say it.

[draftguru151]

Gah he gave up a hit. Stupid tampa.

[Smokey Joe]

I ******* hate all-star voting. Since the game actually means something now, they should actually compile serious rosters... They should limit voting to just the final man and the home run derby.

[thetedginnshow]

Awww yeah. Do your thing, McLouth.

[M.O.T.H.]

Interesting that Nate is leading off again...Might just be something we see against lefties or perhaps, we'll keep him there. Bobby gets a little too cute every now and then. But anyway, fun game so far...Mclouth, Chipper, and Mccann all go deep. Kawakami has been very efficient as of late as well. He's a good a pitcher.

[M.O.T.H.]

Mclouth, Escobar, Jones, Mccann sounds amazing. Hell of a lot of talent there, it's everyone else that we have to worry about.

[Smokey Joe]

Would the Braves be interested in trading for Jermaine Dye?

[Hines]

Oh man, I love Andrew McCutchen<3333333333333.

[M.O.T.H.]

Would the Braves be interested in trading for Jermaine Dye?

Most likely. Only if Chicago ate up a bit of his salary, though. We're bound to have an opening in right before this season is over...and the Braves are still looking for a power bat. And Dye being a right handed power bat, that would make him a hot commodity for Atlanta, atleast.

A nice stop gap before Heyward arrives. It's certainly possible, if you guys fall out of it...and Bobby loves Dye.

The deal would be interesting, though because ATL wont trade Heyward, Hanson, or Freeman for anyone.

[draftguru151]

Sean West finished with 8 IP, 2 hits, 1 BB, 6 Ks and no runs. His 23rd birthday is next week. :)

[M.O.T.H.]

Mclouth really needs to steal more, the guy never gets thrown out.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh man. I have McCutchen and McLouth. I love everything about this game.

[KCJ58]

Oh man. I have McCutchen and McLouth. I love everything about this game.

thankfully i could start both of them (and Freddy Sanchez) in fantasy with not many teams playing today

[Xiomera]

Bonderman was not greeted kindly by ChiSox hitters in his return to the mound tonight.

Damn. We need him to be our 5th starter. He's gotta be better than Dontrelle, right?

[Damix]

Bonderman was not greeted kindly by ChiSox hitters in his return to the mound tonight.

Damn. We need him to be our 5th starter. He's gotta be better than Dontrelle, right?

I lost $1 on this game :mad:

[Smokey Joe]

Most likely. Only if Chicago ate up a bit of his salary, though. We're bound to have an opening in right before this season is over...and the Braves are still looking for a power bat. And Dye being a right handed power bat, that would make him a hot commodity for Atlanta, atleast.

A nice stop gap before Heyward arrives. It's certainly possible, if you guys fall out of it...and Bobby loves Dye.

The deal would be interesting, though because ATL wont trade Heyward, Hanson, or Freeman for anyone.
Screw you then, you can't have him!!! ;)

You can't get a deal done with the White Sox if you plan on offering the same crap you offered McLouth.

You could have Colon if you want though.

[Xiomera]

I lost $1 on this game :mad:

Don't gamble, you'll end up living in a box and lose your family.

[M.O.T.H.]

Screw you then, you can't have him!!! ;)

You can't get a deal done with the White Sox if you plan on offering the same crap you offered McLouth.

You could have Colon if you want though.

eww. You can have Frenchy and some scrubs for Dye. Frenchy just needs a change of scenery. ;)

You wouldn't get fair value in a real Braves offer for sure but, I wouldnt be surprised to see the Braves land anyone w/ meh prospects. Braves pull off head scratchers all of the time and their prospects are typically heavily overrated around the league. We almost landed Peavy for pretty much junk.

[Smokey Joe]

eww. You can have Frenchy and some scrubs for Dye. Frenchy just needs a change of scenery. ;)

You wouldn't get fair value in a real Braves offer for sure but, I wouldnt be surprised to see the Braves land anyone w/ meh prospects. Braves pull off head scratchers all of the time and their prospects are typically heavily overrated around the league. We almost landed Peavy for pretty much junk.
The prospects the Braves trade usually fail. However, we did get a very solid package for Vazquez. If Flowers can stick behind the plate, that's a lot of offensive output from the catcher spot.

However, if you want Dye, we'll accept Shaffer as part of the deal.

[M.O.T.H.]

I really wish Greg Norton wasnt a Brave. Just because he can play a few positions decent enough, he is held in high regard in our organization. blah. I still cant believe he is younger than Chipper. haha. He looks like my grandpa.

But yeah, his .124 average isnt cutting it.

[M.O.T.H.]

The prospects the Braves trade usually fail. However, we did get a very solid package for Vazquez. If Flowers can stick behind the plate, that's a lot of offensive output from the catcher spot.

However, if you want Dye, we'll accept Shaffer as part of the deal.

I agree there...I was really high on Flowers. Sad to see him go...just like I was sad to see Gorkys go.

I'd give you Schafer for basically a rental...the Braves wouldnt, but I would. :) The Braves future OF probably will look something like...Mclouth in left, Schafer in center, and Heyward in right in just a few years. Could be pretty special as long as Schafer pans out...I'm not worried about Heyward. Cody Johnson could always be a corner OF for us if he could cut down on those strike outs. The power is ridiculous, though.

[Smokey Joe]

I really wish Greg Norton wasnt a Brave. Just because he can play a few positions decent enough, he is held in high regard in our organization. blah. I still cant believe he is younger than Chipper. haha. He looks like my grandpa.

But yeah, his .124 average isnt cutting it.
Norton is the greastest... how dare you say that.

Also, if you don't get why Norton is the greatest, you've never seen a game when he played for the White Sox with Hawk announcing.

[M.O.T.H.]

A Mclouth walk off sounds good here. :D

[Smokey Joe]

I agree there...I was really high on Flowers. Sad to see him go...just like I was sad to see Gorkys go.

I'd give you Schafer for basically a rental...the Braves wouldnt, but I would. :) The Braves future OF probably will look something like...Mclouth in left, Schafer in center, and Heyward in right in just a few years. Could be pretty special as long as Schafer pans out...I'm not worried about Heyward. Cody Johnson could always be a corner OF for us if he could cut down on those strike outs. The power is ridiculous, though.
We need Schafer though... he and Flowers can take PED's again, but this time, together!

[M.O.T.H.]

Damn Braves and their dirty ass system. :D Seriously, they need to keep a closer eye on Cody Johnson. lol. I would say he has too much power but, apparently 16 year olds can hit 500 foot bombs these days.

[Smokey Joe]

Damn Braves and their dirty ass system. :D Seriously, they need to keep a closer eye on Cody Johnson. lol. I would say he has too much power but, apparently 16 year olds can hit 500 foot bombs these days.
We'll take Cody Johnson too... we could use some more power in our system...

[Brodeur]

I can't believe the Tigers are getting dominated by the corpse of Jose Contreras. This is just sad.

[Smokey Joe]

I can't believe the Tigers are getting dominated by the corpse of Jose Contreras. This is just sad.
Yeah, that is pretty sad.

[M.O.T.H.]

Damn Braves should have never traded Laroche for Mike Gonzalez. This started a whole lot of things in motion. Besides, Raffy Soriano is so much better than Gonzo these days. Give me Laroche over Kotchman. And, well we wouldn't have made that deal for Tex. Only thing that still irks me over that one, though is the fact that Elvis is already in the bigs...didnt expect that at all. Oh and I wish we had Matt Harrison back.

[M.O.T.H.]

Well that was stupid to send Monroe home on what was another great hit by McCutchen.

[Giantsfan1080]

I know I'm going to be a jinx now but I told you guys Livan would have a nice bounce back year. 26th in the NL in FIP which I'll take in a heartbeat.

[Hines]

Well that was stupid to send Monroe home on what was another great hit by McCutchen.

Cutch is going to win the ROY! ;)

[Brodeur]

Well that was stupid to send Monroe home on what was another great hit by McCutchen.

Well Monroe is unbelievably terrible.