2009 MLB Discussion Thread

[holt_bruce81]

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That's pretty cool to see.

[holt_bruce81]

So Tommy Hanson wins the NLROY by default...sweet.

Colby Rasmus says Hi.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

omg the rays got a hit!

[ImBrotherCain]

Colby Rasmus says Hi.

Can you please tell him i say "Hello" back and if you do i think it would be really cool if i could get an autograph.

Thanks in advance

[Brodeur]

I don't know why people keep forgetting about Rasmus for NL ROY when he pretty much has it won.

[yo123]

Yeah, Rasmus has been one of the best fielders in the league this year and has been adequate with the bat. Hanson has been good, but not as good as his record indicates.

[GB12]

I would just like to say that I had the foresight to see that Holliday would be used as a trade chip for prospects before the trade deadline from the moment he signed with Oakland. :D
Why are you bragging about that? EVERYONE knew that the whole reason Oakland traded for him was so they could turn around and trade him off this year.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I don't know why people keep forgetting about Rasmus for NL ROY when he pretty much has it won.

Niemman for ALROY? I say yes.

[yo123]

I'd take Romero out of the AL. Niemann is making himself a case though.

[nobodyinparticular]

Yeah, Rasmus has been one of the best fielders in the league this year and has been adequate with the bat. Hanson has been good, but not as good as his record indicates.

He's not even as good as his ERA indicates. Hanson will probably have a couple really bad games, everyone will ask what happened, and then T24L and Brodeur will sit back smugly knowing that it was coming with his 4.53 FIP and 5.12 xFIP.

[Philliez01]

Brendan Ryan's socks are so awesome. It's like Ankiel's back in his pitching days. Stirrups are just so cool.

The tarp is out. Rain hasn't hit where I am yet but CBS3 was reporting a pretty solid sized storm was going to hit around 7:30 in Philly. But from what I've seen on radar, it's going to be a quick storm.

just to tell you.

[M.O.T.H.]

Colby Rasmus says Hi.

Tommy Hanson crushes Colby Rasmus w/ his size 17 cleat.

[nobodyinparticular]

Holy cow of India! Brett Anderson strikes out the side to start the game in New York.

Anderson is going to 1up Buehrle--27 up, 27 down, all Ks. You heard it hear first.

[GB12]

I don't know why people keep forgetting about Rasmus for NL ROY when he pretty much has it won.

294 AB| 11 HR| 34 RBI| 19 BB| .262 avg| .312 OBP| .446 SLG| .758 OPS

164 AB| 07 HR| 29 RBI| 15 BB| .323 avg| .376 OBP| .534 SLG| .911 OPS

[Brodeur]

294 AB| 11 HR| 34 RBI| 19 BB| .262 avg| .312 OBP| .446 SLG| .758 OPS

164 AB| 07 HR| 29 RBI| 15 BB| .323 avg| .376 OBP| .534 SLG| .911 OPS

Colby has been an elite defensive player while McGehee has been below average. Rasmus wins.

[M.O.T.H.]

As for Tommy not being as good as his record indicates so far...that is true but, he's only going to get better. He's not exactly settled in yet. His command has been shaky early and he hadnt even let the ball fly until this past start. His velocity was 91-93 in his previous starts, last start he was back up in the 94-96 range. He looks more confident each time he takes the mound. Guy is a freak. There is still plenty of time for him to outshine Rasmus.

And as for defense...I'm not too sure how much an outfielder's defense would be taken into account for ROY.

[yo123]

The 164 AB's for McGehee compared to 294 for Rasmus says it all. He's going to come back to earth. The guy never even put up numbers that were anything special in the minors.

[Brodeur]

As for Tommy not being as good as his record indicates so far...that is true but, he's only going to get better. He's not exactly settled in yet. His command has been shaky early and he hadnt even let the ball fly until this past start. His velocity was 91-93 in his previous starts, last start he was back up in the 94-96 range. He looks more confident each time he takes the mound. Guy is a freak. There is still plenty of time for him to outshine Rasmus.

And as for defense...I'm not too sure how much an outfielder's defense would be taken into account for ROY.

A guy who didn't pitch until June is not winning it over one of the best defensive centerfielders in baseball (this year).

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Rays scored a run!

[GB12]

Colby has been an elite defensive player while McGehee has been below average. Rasmus wins.
He has an OPS that is 150 points higher. You really think defense makes up for that gap. Besides, it's not like the voters really care about defense anyway. Offense and hype win ROY, not defense.

The 164 AB's for McGehee compared to 294 for Rasmus says it all. He's going to come back to earth. The guy never even put up numbers that were anything special in the minors.
That could happen, but until it does he shouldn't be counted out. Even if he doesn't keep up the pace he's on, he's not going to all of a sudden drop to a .200 hitter. He could easily pass Rasmus in HRs and RBI while maintaining a nice lead in avg, OBP, SLG, and OPS. And it's not like it's he has way too small of a sample size. 160 is a decent number of at bats to judge from. Obviously it'd be better if he had more, but we'll see what happens.

[holt_bruce81]

Brendan Ryan's socks are so awesome. It's like Ankiel's back in his pitching days. Stirrups are just so cool.

The tarp is out. Rain hasn't hit where I am yet but CBS3 was reporting a pretty solid sized storm was going to hit around 7:30 in Philly. But from what I've seen on radar, it's going to be a quick storm.

just to tell you.

Have you heard anything about the Rain Delay?

[M.O.T.H.]

I agree, I really dont think an OFs defense would come into play all that much in a rookie of the year vote. And a great deal of the writers are baseball purests who dont really care about the new in depth statistics. He does have 4 errors already, which is tied for 2nd among CFs. Hanson still has a very good shot at it.

[Brodeur]

He has an OPS that is 150 points higher. You really think defense makes up for that gap. Besides, it's not like the voters really care about defense anyway. Offense and hype win ROY, not defense.


Yes I do think defense makes up for that gap. It'll end up being just like when Braun undeservingly won over Tulowitzki.

[badgerbacker]

He has an OPS that is 150 points higher. You really think defense makes up for that gap. Besides, it's not like the voters really care about defense anyway. Offense and hype win ROY, not defense.


That could happen, but until it does he shouldn't be counted out. Even if he doesn't keep up the pace he's on, he's not going to all of a sudden drop to a .200 hitter. He could easily pass Rasmus in HRs and RBI while maintaining a nice lead in avg, OBP, SLG, and OPS. And it's not like it's he has way too small of a sample size. 160 is a decent number of at bats to judge from. Obviously it'd be better if he had more, but we'll see what happens.
The problem is that I'm not sure if McGehee is going to be an everyday player anymore.

Anyway, you guys are overrating how much defense plays in awards like this. Remember when Troy Tulowitzki put up great numbers and played gold-glove worthy defense? Yeah, he lost to Braun who put up better offensive numbers even though he was the worst defensive player in baseball.

Edit: I see Brodeur beat me to the Tulo punch.

[cvv84]

The problem is that I'm not sure if McGehee is going to be an everyday player anymore.

Anyway, you guys are overrating how much defense plays in awards like this. Remember when Troy Tulowitzki put up great numbers and played gold-glove worthy defense? Yeah, he lost to Braun who put up better offensive numbers even though he was the worst defensive player in baseball.

Edit: I see Brodeur beat me to the Tulo punch.

That was one of the closest ROY vote though in the history of the ROY award.

Also for those comparing ABs, Braun won despite having 150+ less ABs than Tulowitzki.

[comahan]

that was the year Hunter Pence hit .322/.360/.539 with 17 HR, 69 RBI, 30 2B, and 11 SB in 100 games and finished 3rd~

Good year for rooks

[yo123]

I'm pretty sure we are talking about who SHOULD win ROY, not who the moron voters will choose. At least that's what I'm talking about.

[comahan]

MIKE HAMPTON 2 RUN HOMER OFF OF JOHAN~

Hes hitting like .330 now too, lol

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Rays-Jays pitching duel is insane.

[The Dude Abides]

MIKE HAMPTON 2 RUN HOMER OFF OF JOHAN~

Hes hitting like .330 now too, lol

Me and Mike Hampton are gonna party like it's 1999

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Kershaw is still younger than a few prominent rookies (hanson, rasmus), but he kinda pitched a lot last year. After some early season struggles, he's been amazing lately. Could have been considered..

He'll probably lose tonight and give up a bunch of runs after me reppin' him.

[Brodeur]

What was that about taking 3 of 4 this weekend Smokey?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Halladay: 9IP, 10k, 3BB, 2 ER
Garza: 9IP, 9K, 0BB, 2ER

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Longoria is amazing. 4-2 Rays. put in the chiller.

[M.O.T.H.]

Jason Heyward just a hit homer. Hitting .424 in 17 games now in AA. He may just make our opening day roster next season.

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Halladay is really helping the Jays milk as much as possible out of a trade.

[comahan]

Halladay: 9IP, 10k, 3BB, 2 ER
Garza: 9IP, 9K, 0BB, 2ER

Yessss, go Garza! Fantasy help is always welcome.

[M.O.T.H.]

Dammit Braun. I never expected to lose this game w/ the pitching matchup in place. Manny Parra is lucky he hasnt given up about 8 runs. ugh.

[Boston]

Dammit Braun. I never expected to lose this game w/ the pitching matchup in place. Manny Parra is lucky he hasnt given up about 8 runs. ugh.

Ha. Manny Parra must look like a horrible pitcher looking at his current stats. In his last two starts up from AAA, he's had 13 IP and has given up only one earned run. He was absolutely abysmal before he got sent down, but he seems to have figured out a few things since then.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

JP Howell can have my babies.

[M.O.T.H.]

Manny wasnt too hot tonight, though. We should have tagged him for more than 4 runs.

[M.O.T.H.]

Chipper Home Run!

http://homeofthe.mlblogs.com/Chipper_Jones-lg.jpg

[thetedginnshow]

Oh man we got Holliday that's AWESOME. I know I'm late. Brett Wallace is overrated and ugly.

And Carlos Guillen is back beastin'. lole to the people im in leagues with

[Boston]

Coming off an off day, with the entire bullpen rested, Macha decides to throw our worst reliever into the game right after Braun finally ties it up.

http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg

[holt_bruce81]

Julio Lugo!!!!

2/5 with a Triple and Homerun

[Stash]

A's are gonna get swept, I can feel it.

[fenikz]

Mark Reynolds just pulled a Jeter for the 2nd time this week

[Sniper]

Thank you, Brad Penny.

Also, will the Yankees ever lose again? I say no.

[M.O.T.H.]

Woooooooooooo. Javy Vazquez Ks Prince for the 4th time tonight.

[Smokey Joe]

Halladay: 9IP, 10k, 3BB, 2 ER
Garza: 9IP, 9K, 0BB, 2ER
I was so glad when the Twins got rid of Garza (and to a lesser extent Bartlet). What a terrible trade by them. It's beyond stupid to trade pitchers with Garza's stuff and age for a position player, especially a raw one with character concerns (but then again, Garza has his own character concerns).

I applaud the Rays for that deal.

[Smokey Joe]

What was that about taking 3 of 4 this weekend Smokey?
If the whole team wasn't hungover from yesterday and didn't suck, we would have won the night game.

What a god awful two games that was. However, tomorrow should be a great game with Floyd and Jackson.

[yo123]

Joe Mauer you are so awesome. I wish the rest of the team didn't suck.

[ImBrotherCain]

Garrett Jones... is he human?

[Smokey Joe]

Joe Mauer you are so awesome. I wish the rest of the team didn't suck.
you still got Morneau and Nathan....

[Philliez01]

Garrett Jones... is he human?

No, he's dancer.

[yo123]

you still got Morneau and Nathan....


I know, that was hyperbole. I just hope that we actually make a deal before the deadline for once, we have a good core group, but we also have some positions that are just terrible. Our middle infield has to be among the worst in the league, if not the worst. Guys like Alexi Casilla, Nick Punto, and Brendan Harris aren't starting caliber players in this league.

[M.O.T.H.]

Josh Anderson and Mark Kotsay designated for assignment? Glad to see my former Braves are doing well.

[Brodeur]

Josh Anderson being DFA'd is one of the greatest moments of the season for me. If I was able to cry I would.

[M.O.T.H.]

Braves had 24 guys left on base today. bleh. Mccann went 0-6 w/ 11 LOB. But hey, we won. Gained a game on Philly and could be 2.5 back in the wild card w/ a Giants win.

Gallardo scares the hell out of me but, Hanson/Gallardo tomorrow could be a fantastic game. Gallardo 2 hit us, last time out.

[yo123]

Haha, Mauer with his second HR of the night.

But he's not a franchise hitter.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Haha, Mauer with his second HR of the night.

But he's not a franchise hitter.


Hit him 2nd!

[Hines]

Garrett Jones... is he human?

Funny thing is if he keeps this up, he might win Rookie of the Year.

[sbh15]

Garrett Jones' season is so raven...

[Brodeur]

Funny thing is if he keeps this up, he might win Rookie of the Year.

If he keeps this up, I'll get a get a Garrett Jones tattoo on my wang.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Anaheim is indeed interested in Scott Kazmir, spurred on by input from pitching coach Mike Butcher, who once held the same position with Tampa.

I...I love you Mike Butcher.

COME ON ANGELS STEP ON THIS ******* LANDMINE.

[T-RICH49]

man Zack Greinke should be the AL Cy Young given he has the most anemic offense in ML history to "support" hil

[iBoldin]

man Zack Greinke should be the AL Cy Young given he has the most anemic offense in ML history to "support" hil

Roy Halladay arguably has it just as bad.

10 K's, fanned Tampa Bay hitters left and right, and all we could muster is 2 ******' runs? Give me a break.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Roy Halladay arguably has it just as bad.

10 K's, fanned Tampa Bay hitters left and right, and all we could muster is 2 ******' runs? Give me a break.

Matt garza is teh suck amirite?

[thetedginnshow]

Roy Halladay arguably has it just as bad.

10 K's, fanned Tampa Bay hitters left and right, and all we could muster is 2 ******' runs? Give me a break.

...no. Just a couple days ago someone was bragging about their two 20/50 boys.

[T-RICH49]

Roy Halladay arguably has it just as bad.

10 K's, fanned Tampa Bay hitters left and right, and all we could muster is 2 ******' runs? Give me a break.

Greinke's line tonight:

7 IP, 3 H 1 ER, 10 K's

[Donno]

So how do you guys think the A's faired on the Holliday deal? Do you think it was a fair trade?

[djp]

So how do you guys think the A's faired on the Holliday deal? Do you think it was a fair trade?

So they traded


Huston Street
Carlos Gonzalez
Greg Smith

for

half season of OF Matt Holliday
3B Brett Wallace
SP Clayton Mortenson
OF Shane Peterson

I'd say they won that

[yo123]

The Phillies think Drabek, Happ, and Dominic Brown is too much for Halladay? Really?

He's definitely staying in Toronto.

[M.O.T.H.]

They dont want to get rid of Happ and Drabek. But seriously...come on, the opportunity to land a Halladay doesnt come around that often.

As for some Braves...Jason Heyward getting a little ESPN air time yesterday. :) Not really surprising info but, Gammons did reiterate that the chances are looking good that Heyward will be a September call up and may just stay up to start next season.

Of course they may be a little wary after rushing Schafer a bit but, Heyward and Schafer are nothing alike. Heyward looks ready right now, at age 19.

[ChezPower4]

The Phillies think Drabek, Happ, and Dominic Brown is too much for Halladay? Really?

He's definitely staying in Toronto.

That's not too much considering the Phillies would probably be the favorite to win the world series the next two years.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Defensive switch from third base to shortstop for Ray Olmedo.
Defensive Substitution: Henry Mateo replaces shortstop Reid Brignac, batting 2nd, playing second base.

Seattle cleared a 40 man spot today. OMGOMGOMGOMG.

[SuperKevin]

Does anyone on Washington have any trade value? I would think Nick Johnson would be the most likely to be moved but there isn't a high demand for contact hitting first basemen. Boston would have been nice but they traded for LaRoche already. The Washington Post is saying Josh Willingham has value but I don't really see it.

[Hines]

Does anyone on Washington have any trade value? I would think Nick Johnson would be the most likely to be moved but there isn't a high demand for contact hitting first basemen. Boston would have been nice but they traded for LaRoche already. The Washington Post is saying Josh Willingham has value but I don't really see it.

Adam Dunn would be another player IMO.

[Borat]

The Giants have been mentioned about Josh Willingham

[SuperKevin]

Adam Dunn would be another player IMO.

The team won't deal Adam Dunn. It's already been stated in the Post

[GB12]

The team won't deal Adam Dunn. It's already been stated in the Post
Why wouldn't they?

[SuperKevin]

Why wouldn't they?

Not sure but they don't plan on trading him. Probably has something to do with him being one of the only marketable stars in DC

[M.O.T.H.]

I heard Washington is listening to offers now for Dunn but, they want a disgusting return for him. So nothing will probably happen.

[ChezPower4]

Why wouldn't they?

I think it would be a good idea for them to trade him. They could get a couple good prospects for him. Dunn could be that big bat that some teams are missing.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Welcome Back, Rays offense.

[Stash]

Gio Gonzalez looked good today after a horrible outing last time. Had a no-no into the 5th, ended up going 6.2, 2 hits, 1 ER, 6k's. Oh, and Melky Cabrera is a ****.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Oh Dear Lord.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5815/aybarpena1.gif

[Brodeur]

Does anyone on Washington have any trade value? I would think Nick Johnson would be the most likely to be moved but there isn't a high demand for contact hitting first basemen. Boston would have been nice but they traded for LaRoche already. The Washington Post is saying Josh Willingham has value but I don't really see it.

Josh Willingham has been quite good this year so I'm not sure why you think he doesn't have value.

[The Unseen]

I <3 Josh Willingham

[Tampa 2 4 life]

What a ******* insane game that was.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Jon Niese pitching tonight. Maybe his fastball isn't straight as arrow anymore (as reported) and he can make something more of himself than a #4.

[Giantsfan1080]

Jon Niese pitching tonight. Maybe his fastball isn't straight as arrow anymore (as reported) and he can make something more of himself than a #4.

He's been great ever since he changed his repertoire. Im excited to see that cutter/sinker that he has now.

[thetedginnshow]

I think I like this lineup for the Cards more. Rather see Rasmus in there than Ankiel though.

[Brodeur]

Mark Grace is a moron.

[yodapoop]

I think I like this lineup for the Cards more. Rather see Rasmus in there than Ankiel though.

I was about to post that I agree with u and then Ankiel goes yard. Ugh, I don't like Jason Motte.

[thetedginnshow]

I was about to post that I agree with u and then Ankiel goes yard. Ugh, I don't like Jason Motte.

He's just trying to up his trade value so we can trade him and Wellemeyer for Halladay.

[Brodeur]

Rose/Grace said that the Wise catch is one of the 5 best catches we'll ever see. God I hate these two.

[fenikz]

You sir need to shut your filthy whoreish mouth

[comahan]

Mark Grace is a moron.

Screw you pal, die in a grease fire

Mark Grace is like, the most entertaining color guy in baseball.

[yodapoop]

I was about to post that I agree with u and then Ankiel goes yard. Ugh, I don't like Jason Motte.

God damn it, do I hate when I am right like this. Jason Motte is a worthless piece of ****. He has one mother ******* pitch. If u are in the mother ******* majors, u need to know how to pitch more than one damn pitch. I don't mind when u give up homers, well kinda. When its to .233 hitting Jimmy Rollins and not exactly home run hitting when u think of him Shane Victorino, I kinda do, but at least u made them earn their homers. U walked a pinch hitter and Jayson Werth, thats what got u in trouble. Motte freaking sucks. How can he not have more than one pitch. Throw a lob or something, u gotta change speeds, especially against a great hitting team like Philly. He ******* sucks. And we got Automatic Loss Wellemeyer on the mound tomorrow, so here we go again, I was right. The Cubs more than likely .5 GB, and I said a couple weeks ago how we let them be in this race for too long. And lets not forget about the Astros who are playing the Mets. Ugh! I wish I was never right.

[KCJ58]

wonder how Bobby Jenks will fair with only a one run lead

[Brodeur]

Screw you pal, die in a grease fire

Mark Grace is like, the most entertaining color guy in baseball.

Having a raspier version of Kevin Costner's voice makes him less entertaining.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Phillies fans are the douchiest people on the planet. Shining lights in batter's eyes? Is this the ******* bad news bears?

[iowatreat54]

Having a raspier version of Kevin Costner's voice makes him less entertaining.

Hey, don't you insult the player with the most hits in the 1990s. Respect the dominanceeeeee.

[GB12]

Phillies fans are the douchiest people on the planet. Shining lights in batter's eyes? Is this the ******* bad news bears?
It's actually a Buffalo Wild Wings commercial.

[yodapoop]

Phillies fans are the douchiest people on the planet. Shining lights in batter's eyes? Is this the ******* bad news bears?

Awww, that was the on-field delay? I was hoping Jason Motte tore his labrum so freaking bad cuz all he can throw is a below average 92-98 mph 4-seem fastball that he griving in pain and he could never throw another pitch. 5.70 ERA, what a joke.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Please keep J.A. Happ phils, him and his 83% strand rate should provide me with some cheap laughs.

[holt_bruce81]

Phillies fans are the douchiest people on the planet. Shining lights in batter's eyes? Is this the ******* bad news bears?

Yeah and in Pujols' Eye none the less. The man/woman should be shot.

[KCJ58]

ohh silly Bobby Jenks

[yodapoop]

Yeah and in Pujols' Eye none the less. The man/woman should be shot.

You can shoot him or her, but first I would like to puch them in the face. Maybe I was a little hard on Jason Motte. Josh Kinney stinks too, but he wasn't supposed to be able to be a closer.

[iowatreat54]

ohh silly Bobby Jenks

It's so great that a Sox golden boy is screwing up so bad. It's funny to hear a bunch of Sox fans scream that he should be traded. Plus, he looks like a douche.

[M.O.T.H.]

The Braves uniforms are way too freaking baggy. The Atlanta Black Crackers uniforms. yeah.

Love those red back pockets, though. lol.

[Brodeur]

Brown/Happ/Drabek is a lot less than the Orioles got for Bedard, and that should be the deal that is measured against the Halladay deal. I don't know why the Phillies won't take it.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh Mariners...

[M.O.T.H.]

Wow, Prince's uniform is worse than everyone elses. That thing is enormous.

[iowatreat54]

Wow, Prince's uniform is worse than everyone elses. That thing is enormous.

One of the things I absolutely despise about Prince is that he wears such an enormous uniform. I understand he is a big guy, but he still wears a uniform like 2 sizes too big. I don't understand how you can play baseball in that.

[thetedginnshow]

Maybe we should just quit this game...

[holt_bruce81]

You can shoot him or her, but first I would like to puch them in the face. Maybe I was a little hard on Jason Motte. Josh Kinney stinks too, but he wasn't supposed to be able to be a closer.

No Jason Motte deserves it.

Jason Motte Since June 1st:

15.1 IP, 20 hits, 9 BBs, 15 ER, 1.92 WHIP, 8.94 ERA

Why is he on the team? Why is he leading the Cards Relievers in Appearances?

[M.O.T.H.]

One of the things I absolutely despise about Prince is that he wears such an enormous uniform. I understand he is a big guy, but he still wears a uniform like 2 sizes too big. I don't understand how you can play baseball in that.

Yeah it's normally really bad...but, you should see this throwback he's wearing. They're huge on everyone but, Prince just looks like a mess out there. His hat doesnt even fit right.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Screw you pal, die in a grease fire

Mark Grace is like, the most entertaining color guy in baseball.


Try Keith Hernandez.

[iowatreat54]

Yeah it's normally really bad...but, you should see this throwback he's wearing. They're huge on everyone but, Prince just looks like a mess out there. His hat doesnt even fit right.

They should make Prince wear stirrups with the throwbacks. That would be absolutely hysterical.

Side note: If I had been lucky enough to play baseball for a living, I would wear stirrups every game, no excuses.

[iowatreat54]

<3 Carlos Guillen.

Man, the Tigres didn't waste any time in the 10th.

[Brodeur]

CARLOS GUILLLLLLLEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.

And Mark Grace said he didn't bunt and has only had 2 sacrifice bunts in the previous 5 years because "it's the AL thing to do." Keith Hernandez does rule though ATL.

[yo123]

Now that we know the Twins aren't winning the division, I'm begging you Detroit. Do not let the White Sox win it.

[Ravens1991]

The orioles commentators said Riemold is leading the American league in slugging% and a bunch of other stuff since the all-star break! I like to hear that!

[yo123]

The orioles commentators said Riemold is leading the American league in slugging% and a bunch of other stuff since the all-star break! I like to hear that!


A .524 SLG is leading the league since the all star break? I don't think I believe that.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Anyone else feel as though Kyle Drabek is being overrated?

[Borat]

Anyone else feel as though Kyle Drabek is being overrated?

Yes, very much so. The Phillies should have pulled the trigger on that deal immediately.

I can't understand why the Dodgers aren't making a move for Halladay. He'd truly make them WS favorites and their farm system is very healthy right now.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Yes, very much so. The Phillies should have pulled the trigger on that deal immediately.

I can't understand why the Dodgers aren't making a move for Halladay. He'd truly make them WS favorites and their farm system is very healthy right now.

Hell, I'd take Billingsley alone over Drabek/Happ.

[yo123]

Anyone else feel as though Kyle Drabek is being overrated?



By the Phillies, yes. Good prospect, but not being willing to package him for the best pitcher in baseball is ridiculous.

[Philliez01]

As a Phillies fan, I always envisioned Drabek as a #2-#3 starter aka someone who wouldn't be a Hamels (when at his best) but would definitely have an ERA around the 3.50-3.75 range. He has a good fastball and a very good curveball but nothing else yet. Amongst recent prospects (Phillies pitching) I would rate him in between Hamels and Myers. Myers had some talk of a Curt Schilling clone I remember but that was probably a liberal description by the Phillies.

That being said, I can't believe Amaro sat on his hands with that deal. It may be a 'sticker price' but Dom Brown, while potentially a blue-chipper, is still developing and is 3 years away at most. JA Happ is a #3 on a bad team, #4 on a good team type starter. Certainly not Kyle Kendrick, but he's pitching more out of his mind right now. Last night was more of bad luck than bad pitching though.

Getting an ace for a #3, a #2 and a developing OF prospect seemed to be a great deal to me.

[KCJ58]

Yes, very much so. The Phillies should have pulled the trigger on that deal immediately.

I can't understand why the Dodgers aren't making a move for Halladay. He'd truly make them WS favorites and their farm system is very healthy right now.


they want Kershaw or Billinglsey & that is a deal breaker for us, maybe we can package James McDonald, Scott Elbert, or Josh Lindblom and some other young prospects for Halladay, i would tkae that as long as none of fab 7 (CB,CK,JB,AE,MK,RM,JL) get traded

[yo123]

Yes, very much so. The Phillies should have pulled the trigger on that deal immediately.

I can't understand why the Dodgers aren't making a move for Halladay. He'd truly make them WS favorites and their farm system is very healthy right now.


Both the Dodgers and Angels made an offer, they didn't say what they were though.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Keith Hernandez does rule though ATL.


His apathy, wit, and the fact that he is just plain knowledgeable cannot be matched.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

By the Phillies, yes. Good prospect, but not being willing to package him for the best pitcher in baseball is ridiculous.

I mean, besides his A+ stint this year he's never had a K/BB over 2.5, he's not really a groundballer, and his HR rate is going to increase.

Edit: plus he's already had TJ surgery.

[Philliez01]

I mean, besides his A+ stint this year he's never had a K/BB over 2.5, he's not really a groundballer, and his HR rate is going to increase.

Edit: plus he's already had TJ surgery.

He's sucked against lefties too. I've seen him 3 times (one of them was his last start when he got pulled out and would have TJ Surgery in Lakewood) and he's a good prospect. He recently had a growth spurt, though I don't know why that was important to mention.

I like him a lot, but he's not an ideal fit at CBP.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

He's sucked against lefties too. I've seen him 3 times (one of them was his last start when he got pulled out and would have TJ Surgery in Lakewood) and he's a good prospect. He recently had a growth spurt, though I don't know why that was important to mention.

I like him a lot, but he's not an ideal fit at CBP.

He has good but not great stuff, I just don't see "Top 25 prospect" with him.

[Philliez01]

He has good but not great stuff, I just don't see "Top 25 prospect" with him.

I agree with the latter but he does have a pretty good curveball. He has a low to mid 90s (Reading's radar gun is iffy) but he lacks a 3rd pitch. Almost literally.

[Philliez01]

...and to continue. I don't see Drabek as THAT much better than Carlos Carrasco either. Drabek seems to have a bit more control, but Carrasco is still only 22 and is in AAA. I know his ERA is high but he's had some pretty good outings and does have I believe a K per every inning or near. Happ had a rough first go in AAA as well but was injured too.

I'd say there isn't a HUGE dropoff between the two though.

[yo123]

Carrasco is going to be better than Drabek.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I'm going to be pissed if the Blue Jays lower the cost even more for an already subpar package.

[GB12]

One of the things I absolutely despise about Prince is that he wears such an enormous uniform. I understand he is a big guy, but he still wears a uniform like 2 sizes too big. I don't understand how you can play baseball in that.
I find it amazing that they even make jerseys that are 2 sizes too big for Prince.

[M.O.T.H.]

Tommy is pitching well for having the flu again...his velocity is down again because, of it though. We just gotta get em healthy. haha.

[Philliez01]

Carrasco is going to be better than Drabek.

He's grossly inconsistent. He struggles with the long ball but I do think he has a higher ceiling. Drabek still hasn't been back for a full year yet though. But I like Carrasco more in the future. The Phillies can lose Drabek. They can lose Happ. They can lose Brown. I wish they can lose Donald.

[GB12]

Atlanta Black Crackers.

Bit of a contradiction.

[Brodeur]

Amaro said that he would prefer if Carrasco was inserted for Drabek or Happ in the deal. Since Carrasco will be better than Happ, JP should have asked for Drabek/Carrasco/Brown, although I don't like that return for Halladay either way.

[M.O.T.H.]

The Braves cannot hit Gallardo. This game sucks. He's killing me right now.

[Philliez01]

Amaro said that he would prefer if Carrasco was inserted for Drabek or Happ in the deal. Since Carrasco will be better than Happ, JP should have asked for Drabek/Carrasco/Brown, although I don't like that return for Halladay either way.

A few pages back I suggested D'Arnaud/Drabek/Knapp (or Happ)/Brown and maybe Donald (though I think he's nothing more than superutility or fringe starter). The only reasoning for D'Arnaud is that there were Blue Jays scouts allegedly at the Lakewood games in the past week and Knapp's down with an injury so the only potential top-10 guy right now would be Travis. Gose has 55+ steals and a good arm, but can't hit anything offspeed and Collier is a lesser version of Gose with only slightly better plate discipline.

[GB12]

Gallardo is destroying the Braves. 7 shutout innings and 2 hits so far.

EDIT: Gallardo has 2 hits as a batter.

[M.O.T.H.]

Yay, Gallardo is out. Time to win this game.

[tjsunstein]

I can't believe we haven't jumped on the deal yet unless Amaro is waiting it out closer to the deadline to lower their already gift wrapped package and hope they get a deal done out of desperation, I don't what is going on. If Halladay isn't a Phillie by June 31st at 4:01 p.m., I'm gonna be angry.

[Philliez01]

I can't believe we haven't jumped on the deal yet unless Amaro is waiting it out closer to the deadline to lower their already gift wrapped package and hope they get a deal done out of desperation, I don't what is going on. If Halladay isn't a Phillie by June 31st at 4:01 p.m., I'm gonna be angry.

Don't worry, we'd still have until July 31st and bypass the imaginary day to get a deal.

[T-RICH49]

Hochevar vs Texas tonight:

7 IP, 2 ER, 0 BB, 13 K's

[fenikz]

Suck it pirates you're worse than us!

[themaninblack]

Well the Reds are playing like **** right now. We desperately needed to take two of these games against the Cubbies. Hopefully we don't get swept tomorrow.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I still can't believe Jim Rice is getting into the Hall.

[Xiomera]

Woo! Tigers are on Sunday Night Baseball!

[Brodeur]

I still can't believe Jim Rice is getting into the Hall.

Boston's dumbass writers eventually got to everyone. If Raines doesn't get in soon after Rice got in this year, we have a serious problem.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Must Read: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/26/963183/playing-the-odds-previewing-the

[tjsunstein]

We just might take 2/3 from the new (and improved?) Cardinals. Helps when Wellemeyer pitches, too. That was fun to watch.

Edit: Rich Harden is one hitting the Reds with no walks right now going into the 5th. The only hit happened to be a Votto HR. Just a fun fact.

[Brodeur]

The best the Phillies can offer for Halladay is Taylor/Happ/Carrasco/Donald? That is disgusting.

[M.O.T.H.]

Called that Kotchman homer! woo!

Anyway...Kotchman has such a pretty uppercut swing, the guy seriously needs to try to bat for more power. He leaves no doubt when he gets contact when he goes for it. He just crushed that one. Casey def. has some untapped power, a simple swing adjustment could make a world of difference. I really do want to see him go for it more often...come on Casey, you play a power position.

[tjsunstein]

John Lannan threw 81 pitches in 8 innings of 1 run ball. What's the lowest amount of pitches thrown in an 8 inning start or even complete game?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

The best the Phillies can offer for Halladay is Taylor/Happ/Carrasco/Donald? That is disgusting.

Taylor/Happ/Carrasco/Donald

or

Davis/Barnese/Kang/Morrow(With Briggy and Kitty kaz going to the mariners, we get clement)

MAKE IT HAPPEN AFRIED.

[Brodeur]

John Lannan threw 81 pitches in 8 innings of 1 run ball. What's the lowest amount of pitches thrown in an 8 inning start or even complete game?

Red Barrett had a 58 pitch complete game 65 years ago. In modern times, Carlos Silva and Aaron Cook both had 76 pitch complete games in the last few years.

[Philliez01]

The best the Phillies can offer for Halladay is Taylor/Happ/Carrasco/Donald? That is disgusting.

Donald is such a scrub too. I'm shocked they aren't at least throwing D'Arnaud's name around. Not a blue-chip guy but he would have to be more highly touted than a superutility IF.

[tjsunstein]

John Lannan threw 81 pitches in 8 innings of 1 run ball. What's the lowest amount of pitches thrown in an 8 inning start or even complete game?

Then Mike MacDougal blows it. Gives up a solo shot to Kyle Blanks in a 2-1 game. John Lannan needs to be traded to somewhere he can be recognized and rewarded.

[M.O.T.H.]

Welcome back Kelly Johnson. Here's hoping he's returning to form. We have too many middle IFs but, I'm not complaining. Hell of a group in Escobar, Prado, Infante, and Johnson.

Infante's return will hopefully spell the end for Norton. Especially now that Kelly Johnson is now a bench player and may see some days in the OF, perhaps. Same goes for Infante.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

The Dodgers and Indians are in serious discussions about a blockbuster that would send left-hander Cliff Lee and catcher Victor Martinez to Los Angeles for first baseman James Loney, one of the Dodgers' young starting pitchers and prospects, according to major-league sources.


...Really, Dodgers? You have a 100% chance of making the playoffs.

[Brodeur]

...Really, Dodgers? You have a 100% chance of making the playoffs.

If Kershaw is not involved, they win the trade.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

If Kershaw is not involved, they win the trade.

I'd have to think long and hard about how much worse Billingsley is than lee during that time when his GB% goes back to normal. The difference may be only like 1-1.5 WAR. Loney isn't that great though.

[KCJ58]

If Kershaw is not involved, they win the trade.


**** giving up Loney would not be good for us, he is playing Gold Glove defense for us and I don't really want to see him go, hopefully one of the young pitchers are either Scott Elbert or James McDonald, I'd be down for Cliff Lee but Victor Martinez does not make sense at 1B/C, we have Martin who has been struggling but still hitting ok. and as far as young pitchers i would be schocked if Ned pulled the trigger and gave away Billingsley or Kershaw

[M.O.T.H.]

This NL wild card race sure is pissing me off. lol. Right now the top two teams, the Rockies and Giants, are playing. That's pretty counterproductive for the teams trailing. Then, the Rockies play the Mets next series and the Giants play the Pirates. Awesome.

[Borat]

This NL wild card race sure is pissing me off. lol. Right now the top two teams, the Rockies and Giants, are playing. That's pretty counterproductive for the teams trailing. Then, the Rockies play the Mets next series and the Giants play the Pirates. Awesome.

Meh. The Pirates kicked the Giants ass last week. BTW, the Giants aren't very good. Watching them attempt to score runs is like watching old people try to use the computer.

[Boston]

I wonder what it'd be like watching a team that actually hits with RISP...

[Jughead10]

A nice 9-1 homestand for the Yankees since the All Star break. We still need another pitcher though. Hope Cashman can get a decent 3 or 4 type without giving up anything of value.

[M.O.T.H.]

Meh. The Pirates kicked the Giants ass last week. BTW, the Giants aren't very good. Watching them attempt to score runs is like watching old people try to use the computer.

But still...it's the Mets and Pirates. They havent given me much of a reason to have much confidence in either of them.

Kelly Johnson homer!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

**** giving up Loney would not be good for us, he is playing Gold Glove defense for us and I don't really want to see him go, hopefully one of the young pitchers are either Scott Elbert or James McDonald, I'd be down for Cliff Lee but Victor Martinez does not make sense at 1B/C, we have Martin who has been struggling but still hitting ok. and as far as young pitchers i would be schocked if Ned pulled the trigger and gave away Billingsley or Kershaw

Career UZR/150 at 1B(3000~ innings) is -3.4.

[Jughead10]

Career UZR/150 at 1B(3000~ innings) is -3.4.

What's it this year though? He hasn't had the immortal Donnie Baseball working with him at 1B his entire career.

[tjsunstein]

Career UZR/150 at 1B(3000~ innings) is -3.4.

What's Ryan Howard's career UZR compared to this year's?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

What's it this year though? He hasn't had the immortal Donnie Baseball working with him at 1B his entire career.

Using one year of UZR data is not something I advise but its -2 so far this year.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

What's Ryan Howard's career UZR compared to this year's?

From 06-07: 0.9
From 08-09: 7.4

I usually use 2-3 years of data to get a good sample size.

[KCJ58]

Anthony Swarzak No hitter got broken up by a Kendry Morales Solo Homerun

[yo123]

Anthony Swarzak No hitter got broken up by a Kendry Morales Solo Homerun



A no hitter through 3.1 innings is hardly even classified as a no hitter.

[Jughead10]

From 06-07: 0.9
From 08-09: 7.4

I usually use 2-3 years of data to get a good sample size.

Yeah but things can change on a year to year basis. Such as working with new coaches.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Yeah but things can change on a year to year basis. Such as working with new coaches.


You want to try and remove flukes though. Take Manny for example


2006: -18.6
2007: -21.0
2008: -2.5


If you just go by one year, you could get the wrong impression like Manny only being a little bit below average.

[tjsunstein]

From 06-07: 0.9
From 08-09: 7.4

I usually use 2-3 years of data to get a good sample size.

His defense has been so f'ing awesome this year... for his standards.

[draftguru151]

Hooray Marlins offense showed up today.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Hooray Marlins offense showed up today.
well, Schmidt did spot them 5 runs. he was garbage today, he needs to give up. 86 mph fastballs won't cut it.

[T-RICH49]

Red Barrett had a 58 pitch complete game 65 years ago. In modern times, Carlos Silva and Aaron Cook both had 76 pitch complete games in the last few years.

Hochevar had a 80 pitch CG this year

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Yeah but things can change on a year to year basis. Such as working with new coaches.

Is that really going to have a large effect on range?

[BuckNaked]

Is that really going to have a large effect on range?

You'd be surprised. Donnie Baseball works in mysterious ways.

[Jughead10]

Is that really going to have a large effect on range?

I think so, because of positioning. Derek Jeter is having his best defensive year in a long time, maybe ever. And at his age he certainly isn't gaining more range. It's a combination of him being more healthy than previous years, and putting himself in better position before the play.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I think so, because of positioning. Derek Jeter is having his best defensive year in a long time, maybe ever. And at his age he certainly isn't gaining more range. It's a combination of him being more healthy than previous years, and putting himself in better position before the play.

1 year of UZR data isn't much at all.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/how-reliable-is-uzr/

You need 2-3 years to properly gauge a player.

[The Unseen]

Hooray Marlins offense showed up today.

And Volstad just dropped a deuce. Dodgers on the comeback.

[comahan]

The Indians have acquired Jess Todd as the player to be named later from the Mark DeRosa trade. Todd, 23, entered the season as the Cardinals' #4 prospect. He's pitched very well, posting a 2.20 ERA through 49 innings, allowing just 39 hits and 13 walks while striking out 59 and collecting 24 saves. Opponents are hitting just .214 against Todd this season.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[SuperKevin]

Two straight winning series for the Nationals. Against the Mets and Padres but still solid nonetheless

[Tampa 2 4 life]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Jess Todd just makes that deal an easy win for Shapiro.

[KCJ58]

Badenhop just got ejected for hitting Orlando Hudson

[KCJ58]

well, Schmidt did spot them 5 runs. he was garbage today, he needs to give up. 86 mph fastballs won't cut it.


I was hoping he could win today and make a name for him self as the 5th starter with all that money we are paying him, now with all this CLiff Lee talk going on with only days away from the trade dealine, I hope our fab 7 won't be broken up, Scott Elbert is a ready now pitcher who is really good, also James McDonald could be traded to get a top Ace

[fenikz]

Scherzer 7 ip 5 h 8 k

[yodapoop]

Jess Todd just makes that deal an easy win for Shapiro.

U are vastly overrating the Cardinals farm system. Our system sucks. Losing Todd, Wallace, and the other ******* that won't amount to anything in the Holliday trade won't hurt that much either. I don't give a **** if we have to trade 8 mother ******* players, as long as the trade does not include Pujols, Wainwright, or Carpenter, trade for Halladay now. Trade Rasmus, Ankiel, and 6 more mother ******* that won't do **** for him now. Granted they prolly won't want any of our guys. Thats right, 8 players for one. Call JP Richardi now, and say no Carpenter, no Pujols, no Holliday and no Wainwright, but other than that, pick 8 players and we will give u them for Halladay. Thats how bad I want the ******* stink that is Todd Suckmeyer, or Automatic Loss Wellemeyer, or I suckassmeyer. He ******* sucks. Although I am not sure if it will matter anything unless all of our starters can throw complete game shutouts cuz we can't beat the Phillies. I hate the Phillies, I hate their fans, and the **** them. **** the Cubs. Good for them, they are finally in first place. The two best teams in the NL Central will be playing in Wrigley Field tomorrow night. ****!

[SuperKevin]

U are vastly overrating the Cardinals farm system. Our system sucks. Losing Todd, Wallace, and the other ******* that won't amount to anything in the Holliday trade won't hurt that much either. I don't give a **** if we have to trade 8 mother ******* players, as long as the trade does not include Pujols, Wainwright, or Carpenter, trade for Halladay now. Trade Rasmus, Ankiel, and 6 more mother ******* that won't do **** for him now. Granted they prolly won't want any of our guys. Thats right, 8 players for one. Call JP Richardi now, and say no Carpenter, no Pujols, no Holliday and no Wainwright, but other than that, pick 8 players and we will give u them for Halladay. Thats how bad I want the ******* stink that is Todd Suckmeyer, or Automatic Loss Wellemeyer, or I suckassmeyer. He ******* sucks. Although I am not sure if it will matter anything unless all of our starters can throw complete game shutouts cuz we can't beat the Phillies. I hate the Phillies, I hate their fans, and the **** them. **** the Cubs. Good for them, they are finally in first place. The two best teams in the NL Central will be playing in Wrigley Field tomorrow night. ****!


You should try articulating your points without cursing

[yodapoop]

You should try articulating your points without cursing

I don't really have any coherent points. I hardly ever do.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

U are vastly overrating the Cardinals farm system. Our system sucks. Losing Todd, Wallace, and the other ******* that won't amount to anything in the Holliday trade won't hurt that much either.

Stopped reading when you said Brett Wallace won't amount to anything.

[yodapoop]

Stopped reading when you said Brett Wallace won't amount to anything.

I don't care if this ugly mother **** amounts to anything.

http://phoenix.fanster.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/wallace.jpg

Especially since he isn't even on the Cards.

[KCJ58]

I don't care if this ugly mother **** amounts to anything.

http://phoenix.fanster.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/wallace.jpg

Especially since he isn't even on the Cards.

hopefully i will remember this thread 15 years from now

[The Unseen]

Marlins took 2 out of 3 in LA!

yayyy

[Brodeur]

Again, Porcello is not ready.

[yo123]

Again, Porcello is not ready.



Not surprising, 20 years old with only 24 minor league starts all at A+? Bringing him up just wasn't the best idea.

[Brodeur]

Not surprising, 20 years old with only 24 minor league starts all at A+? Bringing him up just wasn't the best idea.

Well Dombrowski ****** up Bonderman royally by bringing him up early and after one great year, Zumaya's arm is fried after being brought up early.

[tjsunstein]

I am not sure if it will matter anything unless all of our starters can throw complete game shutouts cuz we can't beat the Phillies. I hate the Phillies, I hate their fans, and the **** them.

You act like we're the Nationals or Padres.

I laughed a little inside. And the second bolded "point" doesn't make sense if I can uncover the stars correctly.

[yo123]

You act like we're the Nationals or Padres.

I laughed a little inside. And the second bolded "point" doesn't make sense if I can uncover the stars correctly.



Don't make the mistake of taking one of Yoda's rants seriously.

[holt_bruce81]

Who said Lugo was Garbage? he's 8/14 (.571) with the Cardinals with 2 doubles, 2 triples and a homerun.

Heck in 3 games Lugo has more hits than Duncan had in his last 30 games

[yo123]

Lugo=garbage>Duncan.

[holt_bruce81]

lol at Todd Wellemeyer even getting a chance to pitch against the Phillies

Lefties are hitting .340 vs Todd. And the Phillies lineup is stacked with Lefties!

[yodapoop]

You act like we're the Nationals or Padres.

I laughed a little inside. And the second bolded "point" doesn't make sense if I can uncover the stars correctly.

I don't really hate the Phillies or their fans. I actually hate when the Cards play them cuz they can't beat them. U guys have the most potent lineup, and I hate that cuz like everyone 1 through 8 u have to almost pitch scared of. Yes, even Carlos Ruiz. And really, I don't hate Philly fans. It was one or two people using their laser pointer. I don't let one or two morons represent the rest. Most stuff I said was due to anger of Todd Suckmeyer or Automatic Lossmeyer, or Fuckmeyer. I really suck at coming up with nick names.

[yodapoop]

lol at Todd Wellemeyer even getting a chance to pitch against the Phillies

Lefties are hitting .340 vs Todd. And the Phillies lineup is stacked with Lefties!

lol at Todd Wellemeyer making a MLB roster. He is just so, so, so, so sad.

[tjsunstein]

I don't really hate the Phillies or their fans. I actually hate when the Cards play them cuz they can't beat them. U guys have the most potent lineup, and I hate that cuz like everyone 1 through 8 u have to almost pitch scared of. Yes, even Carlos Ruiz. And really, I don't hate Philly fans. It was one or two people using their laser pointer. I don't let one or two morons represent the rest. Most stuff I said was due to anger of Todd Suckmeyer or Automatic Lossmeyer, or Fuckmeyer. I really suck at coming up with nick names.

The laser thing was one of the most classless thing in the history of baseball. Whoever did that shouldn't have even went to the game because they clearly don't respect the game.

I'm not singling you out yoda on this one, but I hate the rep that I automatically assume because I cheer for the Phillies. I don't like the be categorized with the fans of the city of Philadelphia. Most are flip flopping, frontrunning, know it alls. When someone says they hate the Philadelphia fans, just know that I'm not in that category even though I'm a Phillies fan. I have to make that clear because I feel like I have to clear that up everytime has something to say about the fans in Philly.

[Smokey Joe]

WTF!? After two great starts, KW and Ozzie take Richard out of the rotation and replace him with the fatass Colon? This is beyond stupid.

[BuckNaked]

This is random but I ******* love Mark Teixiera.

[no bare feet]

Some interesting developments might be on the horizon in the Curious Case of Pete Rose. I wonder if Selig will actually think about lifting the ban. Would Rose then go straight to the Vets Committee? Would the committee or the writers be the best chance to let Rose in? This could all be semantics until a ban is lifted though. For one, I think Pete Rose as a player is easily a HOFer. If you don't think that end yourself.

[eaglesalltheway]

The laser thing was one of the most classless thing in the history of baseball. Whoever did that shouldn't have even went to the game because they clearly don't respect the game.

I'm not singling you out yoda on this one, but I hate the rep that I automatically assume because I cheer for the Phillies. I don't like the be categorized with the fans of the city of Philadelphia. Most are flip flopping, frontrunning, know it alls. When someone says they hate the Philadelphia fans, just know that I'm not in that category even though I'm a Phillies fan. I have to make that clear because I feel like I have to clear that up everytime has something to say about the fans in Philly.


That can be said about myself as well for the Phils and the Eagles. I'll have my moments where I act like an ass, but that is in my house and directed at myself, lol... Everyone has those. But Philly is recognized as a tough city with tough fans. Really, the asshole Philly fans are rare...

[no bare feet]

The number of players in the DSL that are being suspended for the use of PEDs could start raising some eyebrows.

[Hines]

The Pirates make me want to break things.

[Bigburt63]

According to si.com the red sox are still trying to make a big trade before the deadline.....shocking!

[Jughead10]

According to si.com the red sox are still trying to make a big trade before the deadline.....shocking!

I wonder if the Yankees and Red Sox end up fighting over the same pitcher? I know all rumors link them to a big hitter, but I think they need another pitcher as well. Unless Wakefield and Dice-K are coming back soon.

[Bigburt63]

I wonder if the Yankees and Red Sox end up fighting over the same pitcher? I know all rumors link them to a big hitter, but I think they need another pitcher as well. Unless Wakefield and Dice-K are coming back soon.

I think they are looking for a big bat more than a big pitcher, sans Halladay of course. Our offense has been so anemic recently its pathetic. Ortiz has shown flashes but not much else, Lowell can't run and his range in the field has taken a hit as a result (he can still swing the bat though), leaving LaRoche and Youk as the only real options in the field on a consistent basis.

The rotation has Beckett and Lester pitching very well as of late, Pennty for all of his shortcomings is at least healthy and giving at least 5-6 innings an outing. Wakefield should be back sometime, although his health is a concern, and Smoltz just hasn't gotten it done yet. Buchholz has looked pretty good in his 2 starts this year, but I will concede is a relative unknown.

Of course they could prove me wrong and trade for a pitcher over a top hitter, but the pitching hasn't really been the problem, with obvious exceptions, in the recent struggle.

[awfullyquiet]

wait. wat... cubs are in first place?

WHO WAS PHONE?

serious.

[Jughead10]

I think they are looking for a big bat more than a big pitcher, sans Halladay of course. Our offense has been so anemic recently its pathetic. Ortiz has shown flashes but not much else, Lowell can't run and his range in the field has taken a hit as a result (he can still swing the bat though), leaving LaRoche and Youk as the only real options in the field on a consistent basis.

The rotation has Beckett and Lester pitching very well as of late, Pennty for all of his shortcomings is at least healthy and giving at least 5-6 innings an outing. Wakefield should be back sometime, although his health is a concern, and Smoltz just hasn't gotten it done yet. Buchholz has looked pretty good in his 2 starts this year, but I will concede is a relative unknown.

Of course they could prove me wrong and trade for a pitcher over a top hitter, but the pitching hasn't really been the problem, with obvious exceptions, in the recent struggle.

I don't think Smoltz is going to get it done at all this year. The pitching for you guys was extremely deep but now with Wakefield and Dice-K on the DL, and Smoltz being quite bad, it isn't nearly as deep. Can you afford to deal Buchholz for that big bat now?

[iowatreat54]

Man, Rich Harden was filthy last night. After giving up a HR to Votto batting 3rd in the 1st inning, he retired the next 16 batters. He went 6 innings and faced 1 batter over the minimum. This is the Rich Harden we all know and love.

Oh, and suck it Yoda. Thanks for keeping the seat warm for us. :D

[Bigburt63]

I don't think Smoltz is going to get it done at all this year. The pitching for you guys was extremely deep but now with Wakefield and Dice-K on the DL, and Smoltz being quite bad, it isn't nearly as deep. Can you afford to deal Buchholz for that big bat now?

Haha, no not at all. We still have a quite alot of young pitching in the system, but not alot that is ready for the rotation. I agree that Smoltz probably won't get it done this year, but I'm not ready to give up on him entirely yet, and he may surprise us. Also, I'm not even sure Dice-K can get it done this year when/if he ever gets off the DL.

[Hines]

Man, Rich Harden was filthy last night. After giving up a HR to Votto batting 3rd in the 1st inning, he retired the next 16 batters. He went 6 innings and faced 1 batter over the minimum. This is the Rich Harden we all know and love.

Oh, and suck it Yoda. Thanks for keeping the seat warm for us. :D

You're the Cubs and you will blow it.


(Here comes the 16 straight jokes, but at least my team won a World Series in the past 100 years)

/discussion

[Borat]

Guess Edgar Renteria's OPS for the month of July:

Answer below.

.492

[iowatreat54]

You're the Cubs and you will blow it.


(Here comes the 16 straight jokes, but at least my team won a World Series in the past 100 years)

/discussion

It's ok, I look forward to trading for many of your top young players in years to come. It must be nice being our AAAA team. ;)

[Hines]

It's ok, I look forward to trading for many of your top young players in years to come. It must be nice being our AAAA team. ;)

Were the Red Sox's bitches now!

[awfullyquiet]

Were the Red Sox's bitches now!

*cough* everyones bitches.

hokay hines.

Its amazing what happens when your leadoff hitter slumps and your number six hitter slumps, you switch them in the order, and they both do better? que el ****.

[iowatreat54]

*cough* everyones bitches.

hokay hines.

Its amazing what happens when your leadoff hitter slumps and your number six hitter slumps, you switch them in the order, and they both do better? que el ****.

I really don't know why it took so long. If you think about it, Alfi is (should be) a run producer that can't get on base, and Kosuke is a good OBP guy that flakes when he has the opportunity to drive in runs.

Good thing we listened to Alfi for 2 years saying that he can't bat anywhere but leadoff... :rolleyes:

[awfullyquiet]

I really don't know why it took so long. If you think about it, Alfi is (should be) a run producer that can't get on base, and Kosuke is a good OBP guy that flakes when he has the opportunity to drive in runs.

Good thing we listened to Alfi for 2 years saying that he can't bat anywhere but leadoff... :rolleyes:

pinellas' balls.

[T-RICH49]

there's a rumor going around that MLB may yank the 2012 ASG from KC(which was reportedly promised to us) because we're trying to spend money via the draft to get better.yet Bud is considering reinstating Pete Rose?

[M.O.T.H.]

So, the Royals are going to try to convert Tony Pena Jr. into a pitcher.

[T-RICH49]

So, the Royals are going to try to convert Tony Pena Jr. into a pitcher.

yep about time he might have less suckiness to him as a pitcher

[sbh15]

So, uh, just how much does SD want for Gonzo?

[themaninblack]

yet Bud is considering reinstating Pete Rose?


You shut your mouth when you speak of the man himself.
http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050412/050412_peteRose_bcol.widec.jpg

[Borat]

So, uh, just how much does SD want for Gonzo?

From Boston, something like Bucholz, Anderson and Bowden.

[Jughead10]

there's a rumor going around that MLB may yank the 2012 ASG from KC(which was reportedly promised to us) because we're trying to spend money via the draft to get better.yet Bud is considering reinstating Pete Rose?

Are you implying that Bud might be trying to punish the Royals for spending overslot in the draft?

[ChezPower4]

From Boston, something like Bucholz, Anderson and Bowden.

I don't see Boston pulling the trigger on that deal.

[Giantsfan1080]

Are you implying that Bud might be trying to punish the Royals for spending overslot in the draft?

Apparently that's one of the reasons the Mets haven't spent overslot the last couple of years as well. They don't want to piss Selig off because they want the All Star Game at Citi so it wouldn't suprise me. Selig's system is so half-ass on the draft that it's one of the biggest jokes.

[Jughead10]

Apparently that's one of the reasons the Mets haven't spent overslot the last couple of years as well. They don't want to piss Selig off because they want the All Star Game at Citi so it wouldn't suprise me. Selig's system is so half-ass on the draft that it's one of the biggest jokes.

Yankees pay overslot all the time and got an all star game and are supposed to get another one in a few years.

You're better off spending overslot to improve your team rather than hosting an all star game anyway.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Mets press conference at 3:30. I'm guessing either Bernazard got fired or one of Beltran/Reyes/Delgado is going to be shut down. A trade would be pretty surprising.