2009 MLB Discussion Thread

[Borat]

Barry Zito is beyond "teh suck". There aren't words to describe how terriful this guy is.

[Jughead10]

Barry Zito is beyond "teh suck". There aren't words to describe how terriful this guy is.

I just found out recently that my father grew up a NY Giants fan before they moved to San Fran. However instead of continuing to be a fan of theirs from across the country, he wisely switched to being a Yankee fan.

[Brent]

I just found out recently that my father grew up a NY Giants fan before they moved to San Fran. However instead of continuing to be a fan of theirs from across the country, he wisely switched to being a Yankee fan.
Sounds like a bandwagoner to me. Just kidding, I'd probably have done the same.

[dabears10]

Sounds like a bandwagoner to me. Just kidding, I'd probably have done the same.

Actually many of original fandom of the Mets came from fans of the departed Brooklyn Dodgers and NY Giants baseball teams. New Yorkers can correct me if I'm wrong but after those teams moved west many fans, mostly the Dodger fans because of the rivalry, could not cheer for Yankees but were left without a team.

[Borat]

I just found out recently that my father grew up a NY Giants fan before they moved to San Fran. However instead of continuing to be a fan of theirs from across the country, he wisely switched to being a Yankee fan.

I think in French it's pronounced "Le Douche"

[Jughead10]

Actually many of original fandom of the Mets came from fans of the departed Brooklyn Dodgers and NY Giants baseball teams. New Yorkers can correct me if I'm wrong but after those teams moved west many fans, mostly the Dodger fans because of the rivalry, could not cheer for Yankees but were left without a team.

This is true. But the Mets came a handful of years later. There were 4 or 5 years when the Yankees were the only team in NY. My father was very little when the Giants moved, I think 8 or so.

[Borat]

Some AFraud art I found:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/31447/2vwxkkh.png

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/86/45/arod-madonna-photos.0.0.0x0.425x289.jpeg

http://www.nyystadiuminsider.com/uploaded_images/arodmadonna2.jpg

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/alex-rodriguez-joslyn-noel-morse-masks.jpg

[twista6002]

Blanton sucks.

Your insight is profound. You have made the most intelligent observation ever and put it into an even more intelligent way of wording your observation. Your pearls of wisdom can only be surpassed by divine scripture.

[twista6002]

First of all, why the **** do I care? I'm not a part of the Blanton v. Maine debate, although Maine's stats are generally much better, which means he's giving his team a greater opportunity to win. It's not Maine's fault that Blanton must have got more run support.

Blanton got .49 more runs per game. That still shouldn't explain why a team about 17% more likely to win with Blanton on the mound.

[Borat]

Your insight is profound. You have made the most intelligent observation ever and put it into an even more intelligent way of wording your observation. Your pearls of wisdom can only be surpassed by divine scripture.

Blanton sucks, a lot.

[twista6002]

Are you suggesting a higher average leads to more runs? OBP and SLG have much more correlation to runs scored and Burrell is superior in both. If you can't understand that then you have a lot to learn young padawan.

A higher batting average with guys on leads to more runs. Especially when there's a .100 difference

[twista6002]

the "I watch the... therefore I know everything about them, and you don't" line is probably the stupidest thing anyone can say.

So basically, we should take advice and listen to people who obviously don't watch Burrell or haven't seen more than a dozen games of his?

[bsaza2358]

A lot of baseball can be broken out in statistics. Seeing things can trick you into thinking things that are incorrect. Also, overanalyzing stats can trick you the same way.

[twista6002]

Blanton sucks, a lot.

Way to totally ignore the last few pages of posts and come to a simple conclusion that has no evidence to support it whatsoever. Are you going to pull out a "(insert your team's #1 starter) rules!" while you're at it? I think that would be enough to totally prove everything and everyone wrong.

[Sniper]

Way to totally ignore the last few pages of posts and come to a simple conclusion that has no evidence to support it whatsoever. Are you going to pull out a "(insert your team's #1 starter) rules!" while you're at it? I think that would be enough to totally prove everything and everyone wrong.

Well, Tim Lincecum does rule, so your point fails.

[bsaza2358]

Blanton is a decent MLB starter who is not an ace or a #2. I'd be more comfortable with him as a #4, but I'll take him as a #3. He eats innings and is generally healthy. I'm glad to have him at this price for 2 more seasons.

[Borat]

Way to totally ignore the last few pages of posts and come to a simple conclusion that has no evidence to support it whatsoever. Are you going to pull out a "(insert your team's #1 starter) rules!" while you're at it? I think that would be enough to totally prove everything and everyone wrong.

You missed the point big guy. Everyone has been posting evidence that contradicts most of your points you've been making, and you ignore them all. So, why the **** would I try and debate with a clown that doesn't even listen to the other side of the argument?

[iowatreat54]

You missed the point big guy. Everyone has been posting evidence that contradicts most of your points you've been making, and you ignore them all. So, why the **** would I try and debate with a clown that doesn't even listen to the other side of the argument?

Because the Philliezzz are the bezt teeeam EVVARZZZ!!!

[twista6002]

You missed the point big guy. Everyone has been posting evidence that contradicts most of your points you've been making, and you ignore them all. So, why the **** would I try and debate with a clown that doesn't even listen to the other side of the argument?

And I've made viable arguments to prove them partially wrong. Contrary to what some on here think, Blanton doesn't suck Ibanez doesn't suck and the Phillies pitching staff doesn't suck. Christ reading people's comments in here you'd think the Phillies were the freaking Pirates or maybe even the Giants ;)

[Borat]

Blanton doesn't suck. He blows though.

[twista6002]

Blanton doesn't suck. He blows though.

Okay whatever you say Giant fan :rolleyes:

[Borat]

Teh Giants are teh Haxorz Baseball

[Tha Wootster]

God you are annoying twista. get over it already blanton sucks.

[iowatreat54]

Okay whatever you say Giant fan :rolleyes:

lol if I were Borat, I'd be rather proud of a team with 10,000 wins vs. a team with 10,000 losses. Actually, I don't have to be Borat to be proud to be a fan of a team in that situation :D.

[Sniper]

God you are annoying twista. get over it already blanton sucks.

Woot has spoken.

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/sizemoreSI.jpg

I got you a present, Woot.

[iowatreat54]

I like Sizemore even more now that I know what he drives.

[Tha Wootster]

Grady <333333333

God I love him :)

[Tha Wootster]

Oh and thanks for the little rep twista.

[twista6002]

God you are annoying woot. get over it already blanton isn't bad.

Fixed for ya ;)

[Tha Wootster]

Oh yeah I'm an indians fan I must be biaised right ?

:rolleyes:

[twista6002]

Oh yeah I'm an indians fan I must be biaised right ?

:rolleyes:

I was just trying to make a point about you being a whinny hypocrite but if you'd like to admit your bias that would suffice rather well.

;)

[Tha Wootster]

Yes cause everyone disagreeing with you is a whinny hypocrite.

:rolleyes:

[bored of education]

Yes cause everyone disagreeing with you is a whinny hypocrite.

:rolleyes:

can i be a whinny hypocrite

BLANTON SUCKS

Grady >>>> Blanton

[Sniper]

I was just trying to make a point about you being a whinny hypocrite but if you'd like to admit your bias that would suffice rather well.

;)

What does whinny mean? Is it like this guy?

http://disney-clipart.com/winnie-the-pooh/Pooh-Bear/pooh-rumbly-2006.jpg

Look, I like the Phils and all, but Blanton is nothing better than a good #4 starter (and a better clutch* post-season hitter than Alex Rodriguez :)), but you're coming off like a little baby when you're complaining about everyone hating on the Phils. Ibanez isn't that good and he's definitely not worth $10 million under any circumstances. Blanton is a good #4. They're basically both just another guy.

*Yes, I'm aware that statistically clutch doesn't exist in baseball. Leave me alone, you sabermetrics lovin' fools.

[bored of education]

/me mounts Woot and Grady :o

[Turtlepower]

I will be pissed if America doesn't win the WBC this year. That is all.

[Sniper]

Miguel Tejada charged with lying to Congress about steroids.

[princefielder28]

Miguel Tejada charged with lying to Congress about steroids.

Does anyone really care anymore?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

And I've made viable arguments to prove them partially wrong. Contrary to what some on here think, Blanton doesn't suck Ibanez doesn't suck and the Phillies pitching staff doesn't suck. Christ reading people's comments in here you'd think the Phillies were the freaking Pirates or maybe even the Giants ;)

Twista: " Hey gais Burrel is teh suxxorz under Ib4nez"
Everyone Else: "No he's not"
Twista: "Here are a bunch of stats that prove he is better"
Everyone Else: "Those stats aren't really that good, here are some better ones that prove burrell is better"
Twista: "..."
Twista: "Here are a bunch of stats that prove he is better."

repeat lines 3-6 ad nauseum.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Look, I like the Phils and all, but Blanton is nothing better than a good #4 starter (and a better clutch* post-season hitter than Alex Rodriguez :)), but you're coming off like a little baby when you're complaining about everyone hating on the Phils. Ibanez isn't that good and he's definitely not worth $10 million under any circumstances. Blanton is a good #4. They're basically both just another guy.

*Yes, I'm aware that statistically clutch doesn't exist in baseball. Leave me alone, you sabermetrics lovin' fools.

hitting a HR off Edwin Jackson just means you know how to hit a high fastball.

[bored of education]

Hey Twista, Rap called they miss your terrible music.

[fenikz]

http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/5/5/6/e298/j300/PHP47F0480722655.jpg
discuss.

[Scotty D]

Hey Twista, Rap called they miss your terrible music.

I"MMA MAKE YOU A CELEBRITY OVAHNIGHT

[Borat]

http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/5/5/6/e298/j300/PHP47F0480722655.jpg
discuss.

600 Strikeout potential?

[fenikz]

600 Strikeout potential?

if reynolds ever breaks 300 sure

[Borat]

if reynolds ever breaks 300 sure

My bad. 700 strikeout potential.

[gpngc]

Not a big MLB fan but I was looking at some stuff last night and I want to know about the Giants.

They have a good starting rotation and a solid closer, but the offense is supposed to be dreadful.

However, after researching some of their players, they actually have a bunch of young guys who have decent career #s in terms of batting average. If I remember correctly, most of their lineup batted over .280 last season.

What are the chances they actually contend for that division this year?

And also, I know they were rumored to be in the hunt for Manny. What happened to that? It is it still possible? And if it is, would that move make them a legit contender in the NL?

[Borat]

Not a big MLB fan but I was looking at some stuff last night and I want to know about the Giants.

They have a good starting rotation and a solid closer, but the offense is supposed to be dreadful.

However, after researching some of their players, they actually have a bunch of young guys who have decent career #s in terms of batting average. If I remember correctly, most of their lineup batted over .280 last season.

What are the chances they actually contend for that division this year?

And also, I know they were rumored to be in the hunt for Manny. What happened to that? It is it still possible? And if it is, would that move make them a legit contender in the NL?

Ehhhh. The offense isn't very good. I'd say best case scenario they can get to .500 or maybe 2 games over. They're more likely in the 75-77 win range though.

They're not getting Manny unless someone takes on Aaron Rowand. And that ain't happening. But yes, if they land Manny, they're contenders.

[mqtirishfan]

PECOTA projects the Braves to be in the post-season (well, in a tie-breaker).

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/index.php?sessionstatus=notloggedin

[M.O.T.H.]

Tied for top AVG and 2nd in OBP in the NL...niiice. A lot of people are jumping back on the band wagon this year...I'm not sold on anything.

I'm just praying we dont get stricken with the injury bug again...I've never seen any team get hit as hard with injuries as we did last year.

[scottyboy]

Robinson Cano blows, and Tex was a terrific signing. Get off it whorebag.

NO! Cano is awesome and I will continue to dislike all Yankees 1B not named Tino Martinez!

[scottyboy]

I go to Rutgers live in New Brunswick and Phils games are never on! Unless you're a commuter from south Jersey I don't know what local channels you're talking about. And as for Ibanez not being better, read through the previous 8 pages and tell me he's not.

good god, I can't wait til I meet you at Rutgers so I can tell you to your face how wrong you are about everything.

And Monmouth County=central jersey=NY AND philly channels and games...so there's that.

And I did read those pages, 8 pages of you getting pwnd. pretty sweet

[Jughead10]

good god, I can't wait til I meet you at Rutgers so I can tell you to your face how wrong you are about everything.

And Monmouth County=central jersey=NY AND philly channels and games...so there's that.

And I did read those pages, 8 pages of you getting pwnd. pretty sweet

Not all of monmouth county gets ny and philly channels. Only you guys in western monmouth who are close to swinging on the border of those freaks in south jersey.

[scottyboy]

Not all of monmouth county gets ny and philly channels. Only you guys in western monmouth who are close to swinging on the border of those freaks in south jersey.

this is true, forgot about that. I'm in western monmouth, so I'm cursed with Philly channels along with the NY channels.

sometimes I'm scared driving my brother down to his games when they play in south jersey(like 2 towns away) in my big blue truck covered in giants stickers, but you know...

[Jughead10]

this is true, forgot about that. I'm in western monmouth, so I'm cursed with Philly channels along with the NY channels.

sometimes I'm scared driving my brother down to his games when they play in south jersey(like 2 towns away) in my big blue truck covered in giants stickers, but you know...

Yeah, I don't get Philly channels and my shore house in Manasquan doesn't as well. I wouldn't live anywhere where I got Philly channels. My ex gf got them at her place, and it was means for a break up.

Also be careful down there in south jersey. You might catch something.

[fischbowl]

Yeah, I don't get Philly channels and my shore house in Manasquan doesn't as well. I wouldn't live anywhere where I got Philly channels. My ex gf got them at her place, and it was means for a break up.

Also be careful down there in south jersey. You might catch something.

Probably syphilis or worse, gonorrhea

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm right on the border. Another 5 miles and I also would have both.

[Borat]

Probably syphilis or worse, gonorrhea

I'm right on the border. Another 5 miles and I also would have both.

This combination made me laugh. I know what you meant though GF.

[gpngc]

Tied for top AVG and 2nd in OBP in the NL...niiice. A lot of people are jumping back on the band wagon this year...I'm not sold on anything.

I'm just praying we dont get stricken with the injury bug again...I've never seen any team get hit as hard with injuries as we did last year.

By "we" you mean the Giants?

Here are some notable 2008 batting averages:

C Bengie Molina .292
SS Edgar Renteria .270 (.332 in 2007)
3B Pablo Sandoval .345 (50 for 145, 3 HR, 24 RBI)
OF Fred Lewis .282 (9 HR, 81 R, 21 SB)
CF Aaron Rowand .271 (.309 in 2007)
OF Randy Winn .306 (25 SB)
OF Nate Schierholtz .320 (.304 in 2007)
SS Emmanuel Burris .283 (13 SB)

They are young and fast. 2B Frandsen and 1B Ishikawa are slated to start and haven't shown much yet but they are both young too.

[Giantsfan1080]

This combination made me laugh. I know what you meant though GF.

Haha. That was bad timing. Fisch's post wasn't there when I posted. 5 miles is way too close to catching an STD.

[iowatreat54]

PECOTA projects the Braves to be in the post-season (well, in a tie-breaker).

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/index.php?sessionstatus=notloggedin

They are just haterz cuz it doesn't have the Philliez at the bezt at everything. I mean come on, they just won the World Series LAST YEAR!!!

[Giantsfan1080]

By "we" you mean the Giants?

Here are some notable 2008 batting averages:

C Bengie Molina .292
SS Edgar Renteria .270 (.332 in 2007)
3B Pablo Sandoval .345 (50 for 145, 3 HR, 24 RBI)
OF Fred Lewis .282 (9 HR, 81 R, 21 SB)
CF Aaron Rowand .271 (.309 in 2007)
OF Randy Winn .306 (25 SB)
OF Nate Schierholtz .320 (.304 in 2007)
SS Emmanuel Burris .283 (13 SB)

They are young and fast. 2B Frandsen and 1B Ishikawa are slated to start and haven't shown much yet but they are both young too.

He meant the Braves. MOTH is a big Braves fan.

[Giantsfan1080]

They are just haterz cuz it doesn't have the Philliez at the bezt at everything. I mean come on, they just won the World Series LAST YEAR!!!

Let's not start that again please.

[iowatreat54]

Let's not start that again please.

You're no fun.

And the thing that makes me sad is seeing the Cubs #1 in record, runs scored, team BA, team OBP, and 2nd in SLG...yet I'm still scared of them getting trounced in the playoffs :(.

[Giantsfan1080]

You're no fun.

And the thing that makes me sad is seeing the Cubs #1 in record, runs scored, team BA, team OBP, and 2nd in SLG...yet I'm still scared of them getting trounced in the playoffs :(.

You have the pitching to get you through any short series. They didn't do well last year when it counted but this year could be the total opposite.

[Brent]

I'm still scared of them getting trounced in the playoffs :(.
Just give up hope.

[iowatreat54]

You have the pitching to get you through any short series. They didn't do well last year when it counted but this year could be the total opposite.

2 straight years they've laid an egg in the playoffs. It's obvious they have the talent and should have the experience on paper, but come playoffs our starting pitching shits the bed and players like ARam and Soriano don't show up. I'm going to be on suicide watch if we fail again this year...

[Giantsfan1080]

2 straight years they've laid an egg in the playoffs. It's obvious they have the talent and should have the experience on paper, but come playoffs our starting pitching shits the bed and players like ARam and Soriano don't show up. I'm going to be on suicide watch if we fail again this year...

They have but they can turn it around. Zambrano and Harden have great stuff so I'd always be scared to face them in the playoffs. The bats on the other hand who knows but anything is possible.

[tjsunstein]

I live in South Jersey...
Its not as bad as Rutgers or any of north Jersey and scumbag or NY, the most sexually disease infected college in America.

[Giantsfan1080]

I live in South Jersey...
Its not as bad as Rutgers or any of north Jersey and scumbag or NY, the most sexually disease infected college in America.

Actually Rutgers is now #2. Deleware is #1.

[M.O.T.H.]

By "we" you mean the Giants?

Here are some notable 2008 batting averages:

C Bengie Molina .292
SS Edgar Renteria .270 (.332 in 2007)
3B Pablo Sandoval .345 (50 for 145, 3 HR, 24 RBI)
OF Fred Lewis .282 (9 HR, 81 R, 21 SB)
CF Aaron Rowand .271 (.309 in 2007)
OF Randy Winn .306 (25 SB)
OF Nate Schierholtz .320 (.304 in 2007)
SS Emmanuel Burris .283 (13 SB)

They are young and fast. 2B Frandsen and 1B Ishikawa are slated to start and haven't shown much yet but they are both young too.

I was responding to a fellow Braves fans post.

edit...gf1080 had me covered. :) I do need to use that quote button more often.

[Stash]

By "we" you mean the Giants?

Here are some notable 2008 batting averages:

C Bengie Molina .292
SS Edgar Renteria .270 (.332 in 2007)
3B Pablo Sandoval .345 (50 for 145, 3 HR, 24 RBI)
OF Fred Lewis .282 (9 HR, 81 R, 21 SB)
CF Aaron Rowand .271 (.309 in 2007)
OF Randy Winn .306 (25 SB)
OF Nate Schierholtz .320 (.304 in 2007)
SS Emmanuel Burris .283 (13 SB)

They are young and fast. 2B Frandsen and 1B Ishikawa are slated to start and haven't shown much yet but they are both young too.
BA is not a good way to judge players, the problem with that lineup is a serious lack of power and OBP. The Giants were 28th in slugging and 25th in OBP, that is a problem. Their pitching staff is good enough to possibly keep them competitive in a weak division, but they need a power bat badly.

[twista6002]

Come on guys ridicule me for my opinions not because you personify me to have poor grammar and spelling.

[fischbowl]

Haha. That was bad timing. Fisch's post wasn't there when I posted. 5 miles is way too close to catching an STD.

Lol, I just realised that. Epic combo indeed

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Come on guys ridicule me for my opinions not because you personify me to have poor grammar and spelling.


I've told you a couple of times that this can be resolved if you would just leave this thread and not return.

[Giantsfan1080]

I was thinking today that MLB Network better have some type of minor league show. It would be awesome to see highlights of the big prospects weekly. They could easily do a 30 min show everynight or at least have an hour long weekly program. Something has to be done to cover the minors on the network.

[PACKmanN]

so when will Carlos Delgado get his MVP award?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

so when will Carlos Delgado get his MVP award?


Carlos Delgado took the high road with respect to whether he rightfully deserved the 2003 American League MVP award, since he finished as the runner-up in balloting to an admittedly steroid using Alex Rodriguez.

Responding through his agent, David Sloane, Delgado succinctly said about the subject: "I have no thoughts!"

[fischbowl]

I was thinking today that MLB Network better have some type of minor league show. It would be awesome to see highlights of the big prospects weekly. They could easily do a 30 min show everynight or at least have an hour long weekly program. Something has to be done to cover the minors on the network.

Jon Mayo should get a show sooner or later. Yeah they were really stringent with the programming I feel, but it helps Advanced Media (website) so that's all good for now. We get to keep Fantasy 411....for now

[Hines]

It looks like the Pirates are interested in Bobby Abreau. I would hope we land him so he could be our starting LFer or RFer.

[iowatreat54]

It looks like the Pirates are interested in Bobby Abreau. I would hope we land him so he could be our starting LFer or RFer.

And then get traded at the deadline.

[twista6002]

It looks like the Pirates are interested in Bobby Abreau. I would hope we land him so he could be our starting LFer or RFer.

If they could've somehow kept Nady and then signed Abreu, the Pirates may have the best outfield in the game :eek: at least offensively

[D-Unit]

If they could've somehow kept Nady and then signed Abreu, the Pirates may have the best outfield in the game :eek: at least offensively
Calm down buddy... Abreu is just a shell of what he used to be now that the steroids testing has become strict.

[dabears10]

If they could've somehow kept Nady and then signed Abreu, the Pirates may have the best outfield in the game :eek: at least offensively

Yes but they did have Jason Bay, Nady, and McLouth. That wouldn't have been a bad outfield either...

[twista6002]

Yes but they did have Jason Bay, Nady, and McLouth. That wouldn't have been a bad outfield either...

Damn how did I forget about Bay?

At one point Bay, Nady and McLouth could've been the best offensive outfield in baseball. It's a shame Selig's concept of fairness forces teams to have fire sales on an almost annual basis. Pirates could've been decent.

[comahan]

Calm down buddy... Abreu is just a shell of what he used to be now that the steroids testing has become strict.

The only thing that was down last year for him were his walks

[Hines]

And then get traded at the deadline.

Shut up. But then I read that he was close to signing with the Angels.

[D-Unit]

The only thing that was down last year for him were his walks
My bad. I thought he was at one point a 40 HR guy, but I guess not. With so many guys being acused now days, it's easy to get carried away.

You're right comahan. I was wrong.

Pirates + Abreu = Best OF in the world conversation... carry on... haha :p

[Borat]

The best outfield is anyone with Raul Ibanez in it. Duh.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

The best outfield is anyone with Raul Ibanez in it. Duh.

Only if there is no Pat Burrell who sucks because he's not a Phillie anymore.

[Sniper]

Only if there is no Pat Burrell who sucks because he's not a Phillie anymore.

No. Pat Burrell's range has sucked for a long, long time. Good bat, awful defense.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

No. Pat Burrell's range has sucked for a long, long time. Good bat, awful defense.


Yes it has. But have fun with that awful defense x2! I'm waiting in anticipation for the first ball the Ibanez completely butchers and Reyes gets an inside the park homer.

[twista6002]

The best outfield is anyone with Raul Ibanez in it. Duh.

Way to put words in people's mouths.

[P-L]

Good bat, awful defense.
Replace the word "Good" with "Average" and you just described Raul Ibanez.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Replace the word "Good" with "Average" and you just described Raul Ibanez.

Ding Ding Ding

[Brodeur]

Replace the word "Good" with "Average" and you just described Raul Ibanez.

Look at his batting average with RISP and tell me that.

[Jughead10]

so when will Carlos Delgado get his MVP award?

He was probably on the roids too. Who placed third?

[Brodeur]

He was probably on the roids too. Who placed third?

Jorge Posada was third that year.

[Turtlepower]

Jorge Posada was third that year.

Hip Hip!!!

[Brodeur]

Hip Hip!!!

Anything's better than Shannon Stewart at 4th that year. Seriously, what the ****?

[Sniper]

Replace the word "Good" with "Average" and you just described Raul Ibanez.

I have stated numerous times that I think the Ibanez signing sucked.

[Giantsfan1080]

I have stated numerous times that I think the Ibanez signing sucked.

Well twista thinks it's the best signing ever.

[Sniper]

Well twista thinks it's the best signing ever.

twista also thinks the Eagles shouldn't go after Anquan Boldin.

[Giantsfan1080]

Jorge Posada was third that year.

I'm suprised Jughead hasn't taken that one and run with it.

[Giantsfan1080]

twista also thinks the Eagles shouldn't go after Anquan Boldin.

Well it's good to know there are sensible Eagles/Phillies fans like you and Bsaza.

[Giantsfan1080]

Looks like Bobby Abreu is signing with the Angels for $5 million. At that price it's a steal for them. Excellent move.

[Brodeur]

Looks like Bobby Abreu is signing with the Angels for $5 million. At that price it's a steal for them. Excellent move.

He doesn't fit the ******** Angels offensive strategy, so I'm surprised.

[Giantsfan1080]

He doesn't fit the ******** Angels offensive strategy, so I'm surprised.

Your right but at that price they'll take the extra bat. There is no reason not to do it.

[ElectricEye]

Yeah, that really isn't a bad signing for them. Could be good for them to get some plate discipline. Nice bat for the price.

[tjsunstein]

K, while we're on the topic..
Ryan Howard signed a 3 year, 58 million dollar deal. What are the chances he stays after that?
Cole Hamels. Cy Young chance?
I love the Phillies. Personally I don't think that Howard will be with us after that third year, he'll be a DH for the Red Sox when Ortiz leaves is my guess. And Hamels has a decent shot only if he gets run support unlike he did last year. Plus he has more publicity with the World Series and all. He had like 6+ losses or no decisions in 2 run games last year, something crazy. I love the Phillies.

[Giantsfan1080]

K, while we're on the topic..
Ryan Howard signed a 3 year, 58 million dollar deal. What are the chances he stays after that?
Cole Hamels. Cy Young chance?
I love the Phillies. Personally I don't think that Howard will be with us after that third year, he'll be a DH for the Red Sox when Ortiz leaves is my guess. And Hamels has a decent shot only if he gets run support unlike he did last year. Plus he has more publicity with the World Series and all. He had like 6+ losses or no decisions in 2 run games last year, something crazy. I love the Phillies.

Hamels will probably get hurt. Howard will be 33 after his new deal ends I think. People don't realize how old he is. He's in his prime which is why he puts up amazing numbers.

[tjsunstein]

He'll be 31, currently 28.

[Giantsfan1080]

He'll be 31, currently 28.

Ok sorry I was 2 years off. He's still currently in his prime. He had all his development time in the minors. He's peaking currently which is the same as Utley.

[Giantsfan1080]

He'll be 31, currently 28.

Actually he's 29. He'll be 30 in November. The more I look at his stats he's actually declining every year in every big statistical category. He'll be done within 2 years.

[tjsunstein]

Ok sorry I was 2 years off. He's still currently in his prime. He had all his development time in the minors. He's peaking currently which is the same as Utley.

Yeah, I realize that he'd be on the tail end of his prime but at 31, do you think a team will give him a shot at 1B if they have the money and a surrounding team able to contend? He's defense is god awful but is his power bat [take the bad (Ks) with the good (HRs, RBIs)] worth it for a team able to contend in the NL?

[tjsunstein]

Actually he's 29. He'll be 30 in November.

That sounds more right. I looked on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Howard ) and scrolled down to his stats and saw the posted ages in that box without doing the math. My fault.

[Brodeur]

Ok sorry I was 2 years off. He's still currently in his prime. He had all his development time in the minors. He's peaking currently which is the same as Utley.

Except Utley is a top 5 player in the majors and Howard, well he isn't.

[Giantsfan1080]

Except Utley is a top 5 player in the majors and Howard, well he isn't.

I love Chase Utley. He's one of my favorite players not on the Mets which is really saying something since he plays for Philly. With that being said I bet his numbers start to decline in 2010 and maybe even this year with his injury. As I just said Howard has been declining for since his rookie year but no one seems to mention it for whatever reason.

Also, Utley isn't a Top 5 player in the majors.

[Giantsfan1080]

That sounds more right. I looked on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Howard ) and scrolled down to his stats and saw the posted ages in that box without doing the math. My fault.

Haha you neg repped because I was right. Really doesn't make that much sense.

[tjsunstein]

Haha you neg repped because I was right. Really doesn't make that much sense.

This year would be year one of his contract, so his age would be 30 when the season ends. 31 when season two ends. 32 when the third baseball season ends, which is when his contract ends. No, you weren't right. We were both wrong.

[Zyro_1014]

twista also thinks the Eagles shouldn't go after Anquan Boldin.

ill kill him the next time he says that.

ship Howard over to the dodgers, id love it.

[tjsunstein]

ill kill him the next time he says that.

ship Howard over to the dodgers, id love it.

Remember Matt Stairs?

[Giantsfan1080]

This year would be year one of his contract, so his age would be 30 when the season ends. 31 when season two ends. 32 when the third baseball season ends, which is when his contract ends. No, you weren't right. We were both wrong.

Ok your right but when I posted I said I but might be a year off. You really didn't need to negative rep me.

[tjsunstein]

Ok your right but when I posted I said I but might be a year off. You really didn't need to negative rep me.

haha waittttttttttt, you neg repped me first... lmao
I dont neg rep people unless they neg rep me...
no one neg reps me and gets away with it! :D

[mqtirishfan]

Cole Hamels. Cy Young chance?

Lincecum, Santana and Peavy are in the NL. I'd say his chances are low.

[Brodeur]

Lincecum, Santana and Peavy are in the NL. I'd say his chances are low.

Cole Hamels is a hell of a lot better than Peavy.

[iowatreat54]

Lincecum, Santana and Peavy are in the NL. I'd say his chances are low.

And Joe Blanton.

[holt_bruce81]

Lincecum, Santana and Peavy are in the NL. I'd say his chances are low.

I think he has just as good of a shot for the award as all 3 of the players you just named.

[comahan]

Cole Hamels is a hell of a lot better than Peavy.

I dont know about a hell of a lot.

[djp]

Cole Hamels is a hell of a lot better than Peavy.

I think Peavy is better than Hamels (and everyone else) when he's healthy and not trying to strike everybody out.

Unfortunately for him, his messed up delivery is only going to keep him healthy for spurts at a time.

[fenikz]

Webb is always the NL favorite

also look for Oswalt to have a big year, he was great the 2nd half

[bored of education]

I heard on the radio the Roberto Alomar has full blown AIDS and some chick is suing him for alot of money because he tried to force her to have unprotected sex.

:(

[Jughead10]

I'm suprised Jughead hasn't taken that one and run with it.

Cause I wouldn't be suprised if Jorge was on the sauce either. That's the point.

[themaninblack]

Webb is always the NL favorite

also look for Oswalt to have a big year, he was great the 2nd half

I absolutely LOATHE Oswalt. Talk about a Reds killer.

[Brodeur]

I heard on the radio the Roberto Alomar has full blown AIDS and some chick is suing him for alot of money because he tried to force her to have unprotected sex.

:(

Who says AIDS didn't enhance his performance?

[Borat]

Wow, Stephen A. Smith is such an assclown. It is maddening trying to get through his writing. Hey dipshit, don't write the same way you speak. They are two separate mediums and they don't cross over.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=3896206)

[ElectricEye]

Wow, Stephen A. Smith is such an assclown. It is maddening trying to get through his writing. Hey dipshit, don't write the same way you speak. They are two separate mediums and they don't cross over.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=3896206)

That's pretty pathetic, actually...

[bored of education]

Wow, Stephen A. Smith is such an assclown. It is maddening trying to get through his writing. Hey dipshit, don't write the same way you speak. They are two separate mediums and they don't cross over.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=3896206)

Sniper would have a field day with that!

[Brodeur]

Wow, Stephen A. Smith is such an assclown. It is maddening trying to get through his writing. Hey dipshit, don't write the same way you speak. They are two separate mediums and they don't cross over.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=3896206)

Why is he still employed?

Quite Frankly, he pisses me off.

[Borat]

And because arguably the greatest right-handed hitter of modern time still finds himself unemployed, after spending the last three months of this past season reminding us all that there actually is a baseball team in Los Angeles, he certainly falls under the "screwed royally" category for the moment.

This run-on sentence gave birth to another run-on sentence.

And Manny is getting "royally screwed"? Really Stephen A? He just turned down an offer of $25M for one year. Yep, that sounds like he's getting screwed royally to me. The guy quit on his previous team mid-season, and yet he just received a $25M offer as a 37-year-old outfielder that plays terrible defense. Yep, poor Manny. Teams are treating him very badly.

[fischbowl]

Apparently Matt Bush is the Blue Jays Problem now

[dabears10]

SI reporting that Abreu agreed to terms with the Angels for 1 year $5 Million.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/49261-angels-and-abreu-agree-to-one-year-deal?eref=fromSI

Amazing, amazing deal. Although, he is no Ibanez....

[Jughead10]

Apparently Matt Bush is the Blue Jays Problem now

Is he pitching now?

I also saw Stephen A. Smith once in NYC standing in front of a White Castle, munching on some sliders. I just shook my head at him.

[619]

Apparently Matt Bush is the Blue Jays Problem now

You mean, we actually did something?

[Jughead10]

SI reporting that Abreu agreed to terms with the Angels for 1 year $5 Million.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/49261-angels-and-abreu-agree-to-one-year-deal?eref=fromSI

Amazing, amazing deal. Although, he is no Ibanez....

I was pissed off the Yankees didn't offer him arbitration so they could get a draft pick for him. I guess for once they might have actually guessed his market correctly, they were afraid he'd take the one year deal. And he probably would have.

[bsaza2358]

I can't believe you're insulting Ibanez. He signed with the best team in the majors, so obviously he was worth it...

[Jughead10]

I can't believe you're insulting Ibanez. He signed with the best team in the majors, so obviously he was worth it...

Would you rather have Abreu back for one year at that contract or have Ibanez and his contract?

[bsaza2358]

Abreu, considering the Phillies could then conceivably make a play for Holliday next offseason.

[Brodeur]

Apparently Matt Bush is the Blue Jays Problem now

Bush is a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf. Great job taking Bush over Verlander by the Padres.

[Jughead10]

Abreu, considering the Phillies could then conceivably make a play for Holliday next offseason.

He might not like it, but imagine Abreu batting 2nd in the lineup right before Utley and Howard. I know it would mean dropping Victorino in the lineup but Bobby can still get on base better than him. Abreu's problem was he always couldn't carry the team or be the guy, but he wouldn't have had to do that.

[619]

Bush is a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf. Great job taking Bush over Verlander by the Padres.

.... and Stephen Drew and Jered Weaver and .... wow ..

[fenikz]

.... and Stephen Drew and Jered Weaver and .... wow ..


DRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Brodeur]

.... and Stephen Drew and Jered Weaver and .... wow ..

I was just taking into consideration that Verlander was a much better prospect at the time and they took Bush over him. Bush is going to be the only 1st overall pick to never have a single major league at bat, sans two others who had career ending injuries.

[Jughead10]

The Padres were never going to take Drew or Weaver because of what it took the sign them.

[Forenci]

Webb is always the NL favorite

also look for Oswalt to have a big year, he was great the 2nd half

Lol, Oswalt ALWAYS has great second halfs. Oswalt and Santana are both considered second half pitchers (ironic since they were minor league teammates). In fact I think they've both got two of the highest win percentages in the second half.

Either way, I think they both will have great seasons this year and they are both two of my favorite pitchers.

[bsaza2358]

He might not like it, but imagine Abreu batting 2nd in the lineup right before Utley and Howard. I know it would mean dropping Victorino in the lineup but Bobby can still get on base better than him. Abreu's problem was he always couldn't carry the team or be the guy, but he wouldn't have had to do that.

Abreu was not a lineup carrier, but he was also a poor leader. When he was traded for 5 cents on the dollar to the Yanks, the team went on a huge tear because he was gone, and they could relax. No way the Phils were bringing him back. He was sent out partially because he wasn't part of the culture.

I like Werth in the 2/6 hole and playing RF better than Abreu. Werth hustles more.

[Brodeur]

Quick question, Does anybody have a picture of a pitcher getting injured on the mound? I need one for a collage I'm doing for my composition class that's due in about an hour.

[djp]

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/08/images/large/C_6_8Crse1__0308.jpg

[bsaza2358]

Quick question, Does anybody have a picture of a pitcher getting injured on the mound? I need one for a collage I'm doing for my composition class that's due in about an hour.

Try finding something on Dave Dravecky, whose arm broke throwing a pitch in 1988 or 1989.

[Jughead10]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/04/29/sports/29torre.xlarge1.jpg

Jeff Karstens broke his leg after getting hit with a line drive.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09THdjZ8Yr8wp/610x.jpg

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/08/images/large/C_6_8Crse1__0308.jpg

I was there. That was scary.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Dunn to the Nats

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090211&content_id=3817580&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm sure that deal was cheap so very good move by the Nats. They really could use another bat. If they can develop some pitching they will be solid in a few years.

[Brodeur]

Dunn to the Nats

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090211&content_id=3817580&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

Aww come on Dunn. That team is so devoid of talent that it's ridiculous for anyone to sign there.

[Tha Wootster]

Toronto Blue Jays signed first baseman Kevin Millar to a minor-league contract on Wednesday.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=266687&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_main

yay jays ? lol

[fischbowl]

The Padres were never going to take Drew or Weaver because of what it took the sign them.

Jughead is right, both of them were super-prospects but also represented by Scott Boras. Both took the longest to sign, held out into the next season, playing for teams in the American Association before signing lucrative deals.

[619]

Toronto Blue Jays signed first baseman Kevin Millar to a minor-league contract on Wednesday.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=266687&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_main

yay jays ? lol

I'm still waiting 'til we sign a major league free agent .. :rolleyes:

[Brodeur]

Jughead is right, both of them were super-prospects but also represented by Scott Boras. Both took the longest to sign, held out into the next season, playing for teams in the American Association before signing lucrative deals.

But Verlander was a better prospect and got less of a bonus. The pick was ******* stupid for that.

[Jughead10]

But Verlander was a better prospect and got less of a bonus. The pick was ******* stupid for that.

You can get on them for that. I just wouldn't bring up Drew or Weaver because that was a finances thing.

[fenikz]

Dunn to the Nats

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090211&content_id=3817580&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

ha, and no one believed me when I said Dunn would of accepted the D'backs $12 Mil if we offered it

[yodapoop]

Roy Oswalt went after A-Rod, good for him. I don't really like him because he owns our asses, but good for him.

[fischbowl]

But Verlander was a better prospect and got less of a bonus. The pick was ******* stupid for that.

Yeah I have no idea what they were thinking in terms of Bush v. Verlander or even any of the Rice Three (Niemann, Humber, Townsend). Not drafting Townsend is obvious though.

Oh, and Roberto Alomar has AIDS. And I lol'ed a lot

[PACKmanN]

Toronto Blue Jays signed first baseman Kevin Millar to a minor-league contract on Wednesday.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=266687&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_main

yay jays ? lol

looks like we have our full-time DH.

[D-Unit]

Yeah I have no idea what they were thinking in terms of Bush v. Verlander or even any of the Rice Three (Niemann, Humber, Townsend). Not drafting Townsend is obvious though.

Oh, and Roberto Alomar has AIDS. And I lol'ed a lot
Why would you laugh at someone for having a terminal disease?

As for Bush, they drafted him because of signability knowing full well that he was a lesser talent.

[D-Unit]

looks like we have our full-time DH.
Hmmm.... who makes it to the Big Leagues first... Andruw Jones or Kevin Millar?

Gotta love these minor league contracts.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Yeah I have no idea what they were thinking in terms of Bush v. Verlander or even any of the Rice Three (Niemann, Humber, Townsend). Not drafting Townsend is obvious though.

Oh, and Roberto Alomar has AIDS. And I lol'ed a lot

Colon Less Than Sign

:<

[fischbowl]

Why would you laugh at someone for having a terminal disease?

As for Bush, they drafted him because of signability knowing full well that he was a lesser talent.

Because I ******* hate Roberto Alomar

[Brodeur]

Why would you laugh at someone for having a terminal disease?

Because Alomar's an asshole.

[D-Unit]

Because I ******* hate Roberto Alomar
Ouch... What does that mean when I know you ******* hate me too?

[D-Unit]

Because Alomar's an asshole.
Figuratively or Physically? :p

[fischbowl]

Ouch... What does that mean when I know you ******* hate me too?

I don't hate you, I just picked you in the douche draft, and am annoyed by you occasionally, mostly in here MLB thread and in any Fantasy Draft

[D-Unit]

I don't hate you, I just picked you in the douche draft, and am annoyed by you occasionally, mostly in here MLB thread and in any Fantasy Draft
Yeah but I was the 3rd overall pick after Hitler and Bin Laden. LMAO.

I seriously cracked up for a good minute. Thanks for the recognition. :D Or should I not be thankful...? lol. I didn't care. I thought it was funny.

[Brodeur]

Figuratively or Physically? :p

I'm going to go with both.

[twista6002]

Well twista thinks it's the best signing ever.

Anyone else want to put words in my mouth while I'm here.

Oh and about the Anquan trade, he's an asshole. Didn't you learn from the TO fiasco?

[twista6002]

And Joe Blanton.

Who else wants to put words in my mouth?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Who else wants to put words in my mouth?


I honestly just want you the shut the **** up. Stick whatever the **** you want in your mouth to make it happen, I don't care.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I'm not Alomar's biggest fan, because of how awful he was for the Mets, but if true, this is pretty brutal. Only slightly worse than one of twista's posts however.

told her he had been "raped by two Mexican men" as a teenager.

[Sniper]

I honestly just want you the shut the **** up. Stick whatever the **** you want in your mouth to make it happen, I don't care.

Hahahahahahahahha priceless. Thanks for the new sig quote. I'm fresh out of rep but you'll get some later.

[twista6002]

I honestly just want you the shut the **** up. Stick whatever the **** you want in your mouth to make it happen, I don't care.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h145/Twista6002/InternetToughGuy.jpg

[Sniper]

He's not being tough, he's just asking you to shut your mouth. Huge difference.

And that thread in your sig wouldn't make the top 100 in NFLDC history, let alone #1.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Oversized image

I would just like to put out the irony of you calling someone a name on the very same forum someone you ridiculed someone for insulting you.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Jesus ******* christ twista. You've already sent me that in a PM whining like a little *****. Bring some new material to the plate at least.

[Brodeur]

I would just like to put out the irony of you calling someone a name on the very same forum someone you ridiculed someone for insulting you.

This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

[princefielder28]

This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

yeah, that thought(?) is butchered up

[Tampa 2 4 life]

This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

Lost First, Coherent Sentences 2nd.

[Borat]

Damn you Sniper. I just read that post by ATL and was going to use it for my new sig quote.

Edit: I picked up your rep for ATL.

[Sniper]

Damn you Sniper. I just read that post by ATL and was going to use it for my new sig quote.

Edit: I picked up your rep for ATL.

You can have it if you wish. It's such a beauty. Thanks for the pickup.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

You can have it if you wish. It's such a beauty. Thanks for the pickup.


Thank you sirs. Twista... has the message not been well received?

[Philliez01]

This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

Too many anonymous "someones" or "somethings". Really there's no predicate to the subject.

[Whistler6]

I know what Tejada did was wrong and deceiving.. And I don't forgive him like a lot of people will. But A-Rod you want to see what a sincere apology is, watch Tejada plead guilty and throw himself on the mercy of the people. That was real...

[iowatreat54]

I know what Tejada did was wrong and deceiving.. And I don't forgive him like a lot of people will. But A-Rod you want to see what a sincere apology is, watch Tejada plead guilty and throw himself on the mercy of the people. That was real...

Meh, at least ARod didn't commit perjury first and then come clean. The only reason Tejada was sincere and apologetic is to avoid jail.

[nobodyinparticular]

I know what Tejada did was wrong and deceiving.. And I don't forgive him like a lot of people will. But A-Rod you want to see what a sincere apology is, watch Tejada plead guilty and throw himself on the mercy of the people. That was real...

Well I'm glad someone other than Rob Neyer is finally bringing this up. Seriously, A-Rod's apology means nothing to me. Could no one else tell that A-Rod was trying to repeat, verbatim, a script that had been written for him? Seriously, it makes me angry that people are nearly giving him a free pass for a completely fake apology that very well was a lie.

I don't know why he chose to script it. I may very well have been protection, but it certainly seemed like he was lying. By him picking that time period (only the Texas years) he was sure of protecting the majority of his legacy, protecting his future team as well as the majority of his early years. Does anyone really believe he wasn't taking steroids in high school? I know most of my high school baseball team did. To be honest, after that interview I expect that he has been taking steroids since he was 15 years old. I bet he's taking something right now that is merely undetectable. Heck, HGH is still undetectable by the MLB testing program because they only do piss tests. I would not be surprised to find out that 95 of the 104 positive tests from 2003 have merely switched to HGH or something even more safe.

A-rod, you had the opportunity to come clean and receive our forgiveness and instead you come with general statements and lies. If you had only been sincere and told the entire truth, you might have had the opportunity to protect your image. But you chose to lie. And you're a bad actor. So the truth showed through.

[Sniper]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3901872

Mariners picking up the pace in negotiations for Griffey Jr.

He never should have left...Dear God, let this happen.

[bored of education]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3901872

Mariners picking up the pace in negotiations for Griffey Jr.

He never should have left...Dear God, let this happen.


I am the number one hater of the if healthy theory but it's hard to speculate how amazing his numbers would have been if he had stayed healthy. I have attempted to do year aby year stats, projecting stuff and its crazy.

[Turtlepower]

I know what Tejada did was wrong and deceiving.. And I don't forgive him like a lot of people will. But A-Rod you want to see what a sincere apology is, watch Tejada plead guilty and throw himself on the mercy of the people. That was real...

Tejada still says he didn't take steroids. He just is pleading guilty to lying about knowing his teammates took steroids...

[Whistler6]

I know I was just talking about the apology. It wasn't rehearsed, and maybe, maybe not but looked real.

[twista6002]

He looked like he was about to cry.

[Hines]

I am the number one hater of the if healthy theory but it's hard to speculate how amazing his numbers would have been if he had stayed healthy. I have attempted to do year aby year stats, projecting stuff and its crazy.

I believe he would've broken the record if he was healthy. He for sure was one of the best players in the game when healthy.

[Philliez01]

I am the number one hater of the if healthy theory but it's hard to speculate how amazing his numbers would have been if he had stayed healthy. I have attempted to do year aby year stats, projecting stuff and its crazy.

When people say "A-Rod was the one I trusted" I sort-of laughed. I trust, and firmly trust, Ken Griffey Jr. to have been clean. Then again, wasn't there an alleged phone call deal with him? Oh well. But Griffey Jr. was insane and if memory serves in the earlygoings of the 61 chase, he was right with Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire.

But when thinking about steroids, I echo McGwire. Forget the past, no more investigations we all know way more than we wanted to about the subject. Work right now to find adequate HGH testing (like NIP said, something other than piss) and rid HGH out of baseball.

The steroid issue is around now with HGH. I'm willing to bet the same amount of people caught in the 90s-00s, are doing HGH now.

It sucks, but now I really don't care.

[Tha Wootster]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090212&content_id=3819230&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Hank Aaron FTW!

[Brodeur]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090212&content_id=3819230&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Hank Aaron FTW!

Oh like Aaron didn't take greenies or other PED's late in his career.

And Griffey never was a better player than Bonds, so even if he hadn't been so injury prone he would never be as good as Bonds was/is.

[iowatreat54]

Oh like Aaron didn't take greenies or other PED's late in his career.

And Griffey never was a better player than Bonds, so even if he hadn't been so injury prone he would never be as good as Bonds was/is.

But healthy, Griffey would prolly have shattered the HR record. Bonds would have only held it for maybe 3-4 seasons.

[awfullyquiet]

But healthy, Griffey would prolly have shattered the HR record. Bonds would have only held it for maybe 3-4 seasons.

that i do believe.

esp if he played in cincy more.

[Whistler6]

So the savior of the sport and major records falls to Albert Pujols now? I mean a lot of people were saying, "A-Rod will break the HR record and reclaim the records from being steroid filled".. Something like that. Now that A-Rod is outted, do we put our faith in Pujols breaking the record 10+ years from now? Dear God if he gets thrown into the mix with users, I might give up on the sport. I can't be a fan of guys like Greg Maddux and Juan Pierre forever.

I need a super hero to root for!

[iowatreat54]

So the savior of the sport and major records falls to Albert Pujols now? I mean a lot of people were saying, "A-Rod will break the HR record and reclaim the records from being steroid filled".. Something like that. Now that A-Rod is outted, do we put our faith in Pujols breaking the record 10+ years from now? Dear God if he gets thrown into the mix with users, I might give up on the sport. I can't be a fan of guys like Greg Maddux and Juan Pierre forever.

I need a super hero to root for!

Blasphemy! You can be a fan of Maddog for all of existence.

And poo-holes is on the juice. It's only a matter of time before it comes out and Yoda falls deep into depression.

[Zyro_1014]

Oh like Aaron didn't take greenies or other PED's late in his career.

And Griffey never was a better player than Bonds, so even if he hadn't been so injury prone he would never be as good as Bonds was/is.

Man i dont know how to say this, but that is a lie.

When Jr. was healthy he was flat out dominant. I would take Jr over Bonds anyday.

[fenikz]

It's all right people, all will be forgotten with the emergence of J-Up
http://i.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0803/mlb.draft.class.2005/images/justin-upton.jpg

[Im_a_Romosexual]

I LOVED Griffey (still do), but he wasn't as skilled Bonds.

[tjsunstein]

I LOVED Griffey (still do), but he wasn't as skilled Bonds.

As skilled like as skilled at injecting steroids into his ass and rubbing cream all over himself? ;)

[Zyro_1014]

So the savior of the sport and major records falls to Albert Pujols now? I mean a lot of people were saying, "A-Rod will break the HR record and reclaim the records from being steroid filled".. Something like that. Now that A-Rod is outted, do we put our faith in Pujols breaking the record 10+ years from now? Dear God if he gets thrown into the mix with users, I might give up on the sport. I can't be a fan of guys like Greg Maddux and Juan Pierre forever.

I need a super hero to root for!

I love Pujols, and he is one of the guys that i could honestly say i dont think is on steroids. I would just hate to hear he was but i think hes good.

Best hitter in the game right now and its not even close.

[ElectricEye]

Pujols isn't on steroids. He is, however, about 45 years old.

[Zyro_1014]

Pujols isn't on steroids. He is, however, about 45 years old.

hes 29...lol

[ElectricEye]

hes 29...lol

28, actually. There's certain rumors floating around about a little tinkering with that. I don't put too much into it personally, but it was good enough to joke about.

[Zyro_1014]

28, actually. There's certain rumors floating around about a little tinkering with that. I don't put too much into it personally, but it was good enough to joke about.


yeah, i know Tejada is way older than he has said.

[Brodeur]

Man i dont know how to say this, but that is a lie.

When Jr. was healthy he was flat out dominant. I would take Jr over Bonds anyday.

Compare their stats in the 90's prior to PED's for Bonds and Bonds clearly has the better stats. Not too mention Griffey is the most overrated defender ever (sans Jeter).

[Zyro_1014]

Well lets see here...

Griffey from 1990 through 2000
Games-1553
BA-.327
Runs-1102
HR's-422
RBI's-1209
K's-1018

Bonds from 1990 through 2000
Games-1577
BA-.331
Runs-1220
HR's-410
RBI's-1172
K's-834

idk, to me i guess its personel preference. Both pretty damn close.

[Brodeur]

Well lets see here...

Griffey from 1990 through 2000
Games-1553
BA-.327
Runs-1102
HR's-422
RBI's-1209
K's-1018

Bonds from 1990 through 2000
Games-1577
BA-.331
Runs-1220
HR's-410
RBI's-1172
K's-834

idk, to me i guess its personel preference. Both pretty damn close.

Kind of ignored the fact that Bonds obliterated him in every advanced stat and even some other basic ones (OBP).

[Philliez01]

yeah, i know Tejada is way older than he has said.


Which reminds me, does anyone suffer from more public humiliation than Miguel Tejada?

Perjury-yes.
Age Questions-Yes.
Sappy TV Press Conferences-Yes.
Being questioned, without your knowledge on what the interview was probably about, about your age-Yes.
Having Jeremy Schaap show you you're true birth certificate-Yes.
Bunting just to secure another game in a consecutive game streak-Yes.

I must say, he's been Pittsnogle'd in terms of public shame. (AKA read how Yahoo! Sports found him pretty much living in a trailer with 300 lbs and working on volunteer basis).

[Brodeur]

Which reminds me, does anyone suffer from more public humiliation than Miguel Tejada?

Perjury-yes.
Age Questions-Yes.
Sappy TV Press Conferences-Yes.
Being questioned, without your knowledge on what the interview was probably about, about your age-Yes.
Having Jeremy Schaap show you you're true birth certificate-Yes.
Bunting just to secure another game in a consecutive game streak-Yes.

I must say, he's been Pittsnogle'd in terms of public shame. (AKA read how Yahoo! Sports found him pretty much living in a trailer with 300 lbs and working on volunteer basis).

As much of a tool as Jeremy Schaap is, that was pretty hilarious.

Also Selig needs to shut the **** up already. Jesus ******* christ he's a ******* scumbag that needs to retire already.

[Borat]

"I'm Jeremy Schaaaaaaaaaaaap."

Douche.

[Philliez01]

As much of a tool as Jeremy Schaap is, that was pretty hilarious.

Also Selig needs to shut the **** up already. Jesus ******* christ he's a ******* scumbag that needs to retire already.

"MY FATHER WAS DICK SCHAPP, EVER HEARD OF HIM?!?!"

Though I must say, the Tejada incident was priceless. The Bobby Fischer thing too, was quite.....interesting may be the best adjective.

[mqtirishfan]

Though I must say, the Tejada incident was priceless. The Bobby Fischer thing too, was quite.....interesting may be the best adjective.

Nothing like having no journalistic integrity.

[Stash]

Well lets see here...

Griffey from 1990 through 2000
Games-1553
BA-.327
Runs-1102
HR's-422
RBI's-1209
K's-1018

Bonds from 1990 through 2000
Games-1577
BA-.331
Runs-1220
HR's-410
RBI's-1172
K's-834

idk, to me i guess its personel preference. Both pretty damn close.
The timeline you used isn't exactly fair, 1990 was only Griffey's 2nd season while Bonds already had 4 under his belt. Also, there is no way those BA numbers are correct, both are significantly lower. Instead of '90-'00, I used the first 10 years of their careers and added some stats:

Griffey 89-99
Games-1535
2B-320
HR-398
RBI-1152
SB-167
BA-.296
OBP-.378
SLG-.563
OPS-.942

Bonds 86-96
Games-1583
2B-333
HR-334
RBI-993
SB-380
BA-.288
OBP-.402
SLG-.549
OPS-.951

Bonds was a little better at getting on base while Griffey had a little more power, but overall very similar. Bonds of course also had many more SB's.

[the_legend_killer]

"I'm Jeremy Schaaaaaaaaaaaap."

Douche.

You forgot the "EEEEEEEEE-ESSSSSSSSSSS-PEEEEEEEEEEE-ENNNNNNNNNN". But still, Bob Knight chewing him out is a classic.

[bored of education]

Grady Sizemore = MVP for 2009!
Cliff lee to repeat!
Laporta ROY!
Tribe World Series Champs!

It's baseball season..so wake me up in August.

K thanx!

[Jughead10]

Grady Sizemore = MVP for 2009!
Cliff lee to repeat!
Laporta ROY!
Tribe World Series Champs!

It's baseball season..so wake me up in August.

K thanx!

A-Rod = MVP for 2009. Haha

[bored of education]

I just hope Grady can hit better than .278.

[Jughead10]

I just hope Grady can hit better than .278.

If he can keep is OBP close to .400, it won't really matter.

[Giantsfan1080]

If he can keep is OBP close to .400, it won't really matter.

Since 1990 there has only been 2 times where an MVP award winner hasn't had a batting average over .300 and they were .296 and .298. Like it or not, it seems the writers definitely use BA in their judgements regardless of what their OBP is.

[Jughead10]

Since 1990 there has only been 2 times where an MVP award winner hasn't had a batting average over .300 and they were .296 and .298. Like it or not, it seems the writers definitely use BA in their judgements regardless of what their OBP is.

I thought he was just generally saying he hopes Grady can hit better than .278. That really doesn't matter for the performance of his team, especially since he bats leadoff.

I already said A-Rod is gonna win MVP. It's his year. Every other year.

[Giantsfan1080]

I thought he was just generally saying he hopes Grady can hit better than .278. That really doesn't matter for the performance of his team, especially since he bats leadoff.

I already said A-Rod is gonna win MVP. It's his year. Every other year.

Not this year. I thought he meant he wanted Grady to have a higher BA because he had him winning the MVP.

[Jughead10]

Not this year. I thought he meant he wanted Grady to have a higher BA because he had him winning the MVP.

A-Rod is switching to HGH this year which is still not tested for in the MLB. All is good.

He's probably already been using it.

[M.O.T.H.]

Speaking of Griffey...looks like the Braves are real close to stealing him away from the Mariners, this according to MLB network.

Griffey is certainly near the end but, I'm an enormous Jr. fan...I wouldnt have any problem with the signing. I always dreamed Griffey would be a Brave one day. Better late than never. haha. This might just happen.

[fischbowl]

Lolz, radio reports say that the Mets are considering to bat Luis Castillo in the leadoff spot

[Brodeur]

Speaking of Griffey...looks like the Braves are real close to stealing him away from the Mariners, this according to MLB network.

Griffey is certainly near the end but, I'm an enormous Jr. fan...I wouldnt have any problem with the signing. I always dreamed Griffey would be a Brave one day. Better late than never. haha. This might just happen.

What a dumbass move.

[M.O.T.H.]

What a dumbass move.

Screw it...I love me some Griffey. I dont care how old he is, I dont have any expectations for this season. My prediction days, when it comes to the Braves, are over.

[Brodeur]

Screw it...I love me some Griffey. I dont care how old he is, I dont have any expectations for this season. My prediction days, when it comes to the Braves, are over.

They need a quality outfielder, and instead are getting a piece of crap. I stand by the fact that they should have signed Willie Harris back, traded for Marlon Byrd, and grabbed another guy like Burrell.

[M.O.T.H.]

Reports are that Griffey and Diaz would platoon in left and Griffey is absolutely fine with that. hmmmmmm.

[M.O.T.H.]

Honestly, it's not a terrible idea...Griffey isnt hitting lefties anymore anyway so, if he's only seeing righties, this could certainly be a good pick up. He'll give us a little pop and wont cost all that much.

[mqtirishfan]

Damnit, why are the Braves going to **** with Griffey to Seattle?