2009 MLB Discussion Thread

[Jughead10]

The name fits because of his constant hypocrisy. And if further investigations prove continued PE use, then they better suspend him. Remember STEROIDS ARE ILLEGAL IN THE US, screw the suspension ARREST HIM!

He has to fail a test since 2004 to suspend him. Even if he did use past then, which he probably did, you can't suspend on some guy's word.

Arrest him? Do you really want to go there? Do you want to arrest Brian Roberts while your at it? That be opening a whole can of worms that MLB does not want because they'd have half their players behind bars.

[Giantsfan1080]

Dodgers don't care about their non-pitching prospects anyway, so the first round pick is useless.

Who's to say they couldn't get a really good pitching prospect with that draft pick?

[BigDawg819]

He has to fail a test since 2004 to suspend him. Even if he did use past then, which he probably did, you can't suspend on some guy's word.

Arrest him? Do you really want to go there? Do you want to arrest Brian Roberts while your at it? That be opening a whole can of worms that MLB does not want because they'd have half their players behind bars.

Yes arrest all of them, this is bs that these clowns make millions of dollars for a game and do whatever they want with no consequences. Everyone here can bash my view all you want but you're just perpetuating the problem of giving them a free pass. If this was some high school/college prospect there would be no free pass.

[Brodeur]

Yes arrest all of them, this is bs that these clowns make millions of dollars for a game and do whatever they want with no consequences. Everyone here can bash my view all you want but you're just perpetuating the problem of giving them a free pass. If this was some high school/college prospect there would be no free pass.

So let's overcrowd our prisons more with people who barely even committed a real crime? The only person they are hurting is themselves, let it go.

Plus, aren't you a Barry Bonds defender?

[BigDawg819]

So let's overcrowd our prisons more with people who barely even committed a real crime? The only person they are hurting is themselves, let it go.

Plus, aren't you a Barry Bonds defender?

Bonds is being brought up on charges, although not for steroids, and people who were persecuting Barry are the same that want to sweep it under rug about AFraud. This hypocrisy is mind numbing.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Rays sign suckringhousen, and the Durham Bulls are officially better than the padres.

C John Jaso
1B Chris Richard
2B Adam Kennedy
SS Reid Brignac
3B Morgan Ensberg
LF Justin Ruggiano
CF Fernando Perez
RF Matt Joyce(to start the season)

SP 1 David Price(Read: Joyce)
SP 2 Wade Davis
SP 3 Mitch Talbot

SU Dale Thayer
CL Jason Isringhausen

[fenikz]

Who's to say they couldn't get a really good pitching prospect with that draft pick?


I assumed he was talking about the emerging DeWitt but then brought in the draft pick

[T-RICH49]

Dodgers steal Orlando Hudson.

appearantly KC offered more in base salary but he still chose LA.dang

[mqtirishfan]

Bonds is being brought up on charges, although not for steroids, and people who were persecuting Barry are the same that want to sweep it under rug about AFraud. This hypocrisy is mind numbing.

First of all, people hate Barry Bonds, because he is the biggest dick in sports. Then, there is the whole perjury thing.

I don't think people really go to prison for steroids.

[Brodeur]

First of all, people hate Barry Bonds, because he is the biggest dick in sports. Then, there is the whole perjury thing.

I don't think people really go to prison for steroids.

Benito Santiago or Rafael Palmeiro haven't been brought up on perjury charges. The Bonds thing is just a witch hunt because he broke a bunch of records. Even if he is a dick, he still doesn't deserve any prison time for a bogus ass perjury charge.

[mqtirishfan]

Benito Santiago or Rafael Palmeiro haven't been brought up on perjury charges. The Bonds thing is just a witch hunt because he broke a bunch of records. Even if he is a dick, he still doesn't deserve any prison time for a bogus ass perjury charge.

I completely agree with you on the perjury charges. I'm just suggesting some reasons as to why people hate Bonds for this more than A-Rod.

[Jughead10]

Bonds is being brought up on charges, although not for steroids, and people who were persecuting Barry are the same that want to sweep it under rug about AFraud. This hypocrisy is mind numbing.

I don't think anyone on this forum could every find me saying something negative about Bonds. Because quite frankly, I don't care. The whole sport is tainted but as long as my team wins, I don't care. Do I hope they clean this sport up in the future? Yes I do. But going on a witch hunt for the people who tainted it originally will serve little purpose. The number will be too many. Half this sport has been on something at some point.

[ccB]

Yes, let's arrest someone who failed a test during a screening that happened on the basis that no one would be punished for testing positive!/sarcasm

God I am one of the biggest Yankee haters around, and I enjoy taking any shot possible at the team or it's players but that is just the most dimwitted idea I've ever heard.

[Jughead10]

Yes, let's arrest someone who failed a test during a screening that happened on the basis that no one would be punished for testing positive!/sarcasm

God I am one of the biggest Yankee haters around, and I enjoy taking any shot possible at the team or it's players but that is just the most dimwitted idea I've ever heard.

Or better yet lets arrest the one person out of 104 whose name was leaked, while the other remain anonymous. I'm very torn on whether I want the other names to be leaked or not. It's really not fair for A-Rod to bear the all the ridicule for the 104 positive tests, but at the same time I think him doing so will help baseball move on. I'm leaning towards I hope they say anonymous.

[Borat]

Dear A-Rod,

Thanks for picking up the slack.

Sincerely,

Barry Lamar Bonds

[TitleTown088]

Joe Crede = Twin. yay.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090220&content_id=3858430&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[Brodeur]

Joe Crede = Twin. yay.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090220&content_id=3858430&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I was really hoping they'd pick up Andy Marte and start his useless ass at third.

[BigDawg819]

Yes, let's arrest someone who failed a test during a screening that happened on the basis that no one would be punished for testing positive!/sarcasm

God I am one of the biggest Yankee haters around, and I enjoy taking any shot possible at the team or it's players but that is just the most dimwitted idea I've ever heard.

Right because arresting someone for breaking the law is dimwitted. The man has spent years hanging out with a guy MLB has banned for supplying illegal drugs. We arrest guys for the same thing with narcotics, but steroids are totally different. :rolleyes:

[BigDawg819]

did you know that the Yankees haven't had a rotation ERA under 4.00 since 2002, and that last season's rotation averaged only 5.55 innings per start, the third-lowest figure in the American League?

Very interesting stats.

[ccB]

Right because arresting someone for breaking the law is dimwitted. The man has spent years hanging out with a guy MLB has banned for supplying illegal drugs. We arrest guys for the same thing with narcotics, but steroids are totally different. :rolleyes:

So by your logic everyone who has ever tried an illegal drug should be arrested? How can you not see the foolishness in this statement?

[iowatreat54]

Yes, let's arrest someone who failed a test during a screening that happened on the basis that no one would be punished for testing positive!/sarcasm

God I am one of the biggest Yankee haters around, and I enjoy taking any shot possible at the team or it's players but that is just the most dimwitted idea I've ever heard.

In all honesty, it really doesn't matter how the test came about. Just because the test says "no one will be punished" or whatever, doesn't make the results inexcusable. I mean, just because some one takes a test that "doesn't really count" and fails it, does not mean they didn't do anything wrong.

In the eyes of the MLB, Arod may not be guilty because the tests/studies were not "MLB approved" but it doesn't ******* mean he didn't do steroids. IDC if he doesn't get penalized for it, I know that Arod did steroids and his image is tarnished for it.

Seriously, who the **** cares if the "test" was legitimate or not? A positive test is a positive test. It's not like "Oh, this test wasn't approved, even though it's positive, it doesn't count." Arod took ******* steroids, that's all that ******* matters. Whether or not the "test" was MLB sanctioned is irrelevant and who the **** cares.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

In all honesty, it really doesn't matter how the test came about. Just because the test says "no one will be punished" or whatever, doesn't make the results inexcusable. I mean, just because some one takes a test that "doesn't really count" and fails it, does not mean they didn't do anything wrong.

In the eyes of the MLB, Arod may not be guilty because the tests/studies were not "MLB approved" but it doesn't ******* mean he didn't do steroids. IDC if he doesn't get penalized for it, I know that Arod did steroids and his image is tarnished for it.

Seriously, who the **** cares if the "test" was legitimate or not? A positive test is a positive test. It's not like "Oh, this test wasn't approved, even though it's positive, it doesn't count." Arod took ******* steroids, that's all that ******* matters. Whether or not the "test" was MLB sanctioned is irrelevant and who the **** cares.

Well yea it wasn't right but LOCK HIM UP? Yea right that is just stupid


Why all the curse words?

[ccB]

In all honesty, it really doesn't matter how the test came about. Just because the test says "no one will be punished" or whatever, doesn't make the results inexcusable. I mean, just because some one takes a test that "doesn't really count" and fails it, does not mean they didn't do anything wrong.

In the eyes of the MLB, Arod may not be guilty because the tests/studies were not "MLB approved" but it doesn't ******* mean he didn't do steroids. IDC if he doesn't get penalized for it, I know that Arod did steroids and his image is tarnished for it.

Seriously, who the **** cares if the "test" was legitimate or not? A positive test is a positive test. It's not like "Oh, this test wasn't approved, even though it's positive, it doesn't count." Arod took ******* steroids, that's all that ******* matters. Whether or not the "test" was MLB sanctioned is irrelevant and who the **** cares.
The guy said he should be ARRESTED for it, that is just ridiculous.

[BigDawg819]

So by your logic everyone who has ever tried an illegal drug should be arrested? How can you not see the foolishness in this statement?


Way to not actually see the point, of course with you its obvious you only read what you want to see. The point was that ordinary people get ARRESTED for narcotics merely by doing the same things AFraud is doing with steroids. Wake up why don't you.

[iowatreat54]

Well yea it wasn't right but LOCK HIM UP? Yea right that is just stupid


Why all the curse words?

Sorry. But it's ignorant to think that just because A. it happened in the past and B. the test was not recognized by the MLB that a person is not guilty.

I really don't care how the test came about. ARod admitted that he has broken the law and done steroids. At this point, the report/test is irrelevant. His admission is enough proof for suspension, end of story. Just because a report/test is not authorized or sanctioned by the MLB, does not mean the results aren't true. They may not be "valid" but when ARod admitted to using steroids, that is all the proof that is needed. It really does not matter how the test came about or any of that, admission of guilt trumps all other evidence and just because it was 5 years ago does not make it admissible.

[BigDawg819]

The guy said he should be ARRESTED for it, that is just ridiculous.
"Well, under the Control Substance Act of 1970 (CSA) and amended in 1991, steroids have been classified as a Schedule III illegal drug. Possession of steroids is a federal crime. Though it was nice of MLB to finally "ban" an illegal drug, it is irrelevant from the law's standpoint."

In case you're totally oblivious, steroids are illegal in this country without a prescription and have been for awhile now.

[iowatreat54]

The guy said he should be ARRESTED for it, that is just ridiculous.

Well, he admitted to breaking the law. Technically speaking, he should be arrested, but circumstances change that.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Sorry. But it's ignorant to think that just because A. it happened in the past and B. the test was not recognized by the MLB that a person is not guilty.

I really don't care how the test came about. ARod admitted that he has broken the law and done steroids. At this point, the report/test is irrelevant. His admission is enough proof for suspension, end of story. Just because a report/test is not authorized or sanctioned by the MLB, does not mean the results aren't true. They may not be "valid" but when ARod admitted to using steroids, that is all the proof that is needed. It really does not matter how the test came about or any of that, admission of guilt trumps all other evidence and just because it was 5 years ago does not make it admissible.

I can go to the police station high as a kite and tell them I just smoked a blunt and they can not lock me up. I think that since the league said it was not going to be punishable than it shouldn't be. Even if they do punish him that is fine but any legal action is just dumb because it was 5yrs ago.

[ccB]

"Well, under the Control Substance Act of 1970 (CSA) and amended in 1991, steroids have been classified as a Schedule III illegal drug. Possession of steroids is a federal crime. Though it was nice of MLB to finally "ban" an illegal drug, it is irrelevant from the law's standpoint."

In case you're totally oblivious, steroids are illegal in this country without a prescription and have been for awhile now.
Can you please hold while I call the cops to alert them that President Barrack Obama has admitted to smoking Marijuana, a drug that is ILLEGAL in this country? He needs to be put in handcuffs right this instance!

[BigDawg819]

I can go to the police station high as a kite and tell them I just smoked a blunt and they can not lock me up. I think that since the league said it was not going to be punishable than it shouldn't be. Even if they do punish him that is fine but any legal action is just dumb because it was 5yrs ago.


Actually if you walked in high, they could arrest you for disorderly conduct and public intoxication depending upon your behavior. ;)

[Brodeur]

Screw it, just lock up all the PED users in sports and burn more tax payer dollars.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Can you please hold while I call the cops to alert them that President Barrack Obama has admitted to smoking Marijuana, a drug that is ILLEGAL in this country? He needs to be put in handcuffs right this instance!

So this argument is finished since this post just sums everything I was saying up???

[iowatreat54]

I can go to the police station high as a kite and tell them I just smoked a blunt and they can not lock me up. I think that since the league said it was not going to be punishable than it shouldn't be. Even if they do punish him that is fine but any legal action is just dumb because it was 5yrs ago.

I'm not saying he should be arrested or anything. I'm saying that since he admitted to it, in my eyes he is guilty and his image is tarnished and if the MLB chooses to punish him, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that decision.

I'm not saying he should be arrested. But if the MLB chooses to punish him, the defense of "well, they said it wasn't punishable" is incredibly weak and irrelevant. Unless it is in his contract that "drug test A cannot count towards any future action and will not be punishable by the MLB," it really does not matter what the MLB said, the results are there.

Unless specifically outlined by his contract or any written agreement between the MLB and the players association, ARod's admission to guilt of using an illegal substance is justifiably punishable by the MLB.

[BigDawg819]

Can you please hold while I call the cops to alert them that President Barrack Obama has admitted to smoking Marijuana, a drug that is ILLEGAL in this country? He needs to be put in handcuffs right this instance!


Way to be that guy and take everything to an extreme. Don't agree with me all you want, nothing new for you, but please don't continue to insult people's intelligence with this nonsense. Authorities can prove AFraud's drug use, good luck proving your moronic point.

[ccB]

Screw it, just lock up all the PED users in sports and burn more tax payer dollars.

And every citizen who has ever tinkered around with Illegal drugs, who cares if we lock up 75% of the population it needs to be done!

[BigDawg819]

So this argument is finished since this post just sums everything I was saying up???

No this point is moronic and useless.

[ccB]

Way to be that guy and take everything to an extreme. Don't agree with me all you want, nothing new for you, but please don't continue to insult people's intelligence with this nonsense. Authorities can prove AFraud's drug use, good luck proving your moronic point.

cpBzQI_7ez8

PROVED!

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Way to be that guy and take everything to an extreme. Don't agree with me all you want, nothing new for you, but please don't continue to insult people's intelligence with this nonsense. Authorities can prove AFraud's drug use, good luck proving your moronic point.

This is funny because if your job drug test you and you come up dirty do you get locked up or charged with anything?? No.

[BigDawg819]

And every citizen who has ever tinkered around with Illegal drugs, who cares if we lock up 75% of the population it needs to be done!


Right thats what I was saying, god no wonder the country is going downhill. Most share your idiotic logic. Your in college? Talk about a waste of dollars.

[iowatreat54]

This is funny because if your job drug test you and you come up dirty do you get locked up or charged with anything?? No.

See, you are associating the social norm with what is law. Could you be locked up/charged? Absolutely yes. Would you? No, because law enforcement has better things to do. Just because you aren't charged with something, does not make it legal/right. There is a huge difference.

[ccB]

I'm not saying he should be arrested or anything. I'm saying that since he admitted to it, in my eyes he is guilty and his image is tarnished and if the MLB chooses to punish him, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that decision.

I'm not saying he should be arrested. But if the MLB chooses to punish him, the defense of "well, they said it wasn't punishable" is incredibly weak and irrelevant. Unless it is in his contract that "drug test A cannot count towards any future action and will not be punishable by the MLB," it really does not matter what the MLB said, the results are there.

Unless specifically outlined by his contract or any written agreement between the MLB and the players association, ARod's admission to guilt of using an illegal substance is justifiably punishable by the MLB.

I am fine with his image being tarnished, hell he did more than enough tarnishing by going out with Madonna. I wouldn't be up in arms if he was punished by MLB. But I think it is absolutely stupid to say the guy should be arrested for it.

[Brodeur]

You want to know why no one presses criminal charges in sports based offenses? Because people need these things to deal with that kind of **** year round. If a normal guy takes PED's or some HGH of some kind, then it's an entirely different situation then a guy in a sport who is taking it to keep his body going. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to be an athlete physically.

[BigDawg819]

cpBzQI_7ez8

PROVED!


Juvenile offender, probation at most.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

See, you are associating the social norm with what is law. Could you be locked up/charged? Absolutely yes. Would you? No, because law enforcement has better things to do. Just because you aren't charged with something, does not make it legal/right. There is a huge difference.

I am not saying he was right for doing steroids!!! I have nothing against a punishment by the MLB I just think that any legal actions would be dumb and a waste of time.

[BigDawg819]

You want to know why no one presses criminal charges in sports based offenses? Because people need these things to deal with that kind of **** year round. If a normal guy takes PED's or some HGH of some kind, then it's an entirely different situation then a guy in a sport who is taking it to keep his body going. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to be an athlete physically.

Excuses, excuses. They don't like it, they can get a regular job like everyone else.

[iowatreat54]

I am fine with his image being tarnished, hell he did more than enough tarnishing by going out with Madonna. I wouldn't be up in arms if he was punished by MLB. But I think it is absolutely stupid to say the guy should be arrested for it.

Agreed. I could care less if he is arrested. However, he admittedly broke the law, so I would not be surprised if he was arrested.

However, the social norm is that hardly any individual is arrested for what they "should" be arrested for. Literally speaking, Arod "should" be arrested. Will he, obviously not. But the fact remains, Arod did something illegal and technically "should" be arrested for it and at the very least, should be punished by the MLB.

However, he will face no punishment because of how much revenue he generates, which is a disgrace to the legal system and society. But that's for another argument that isn't allowed here.

[BigDawg819]

I am not saying he was right for doing steroids!!! I have nothing against a punishment by the MLB I just think that any legal actions would be dumb and a waste of time.

Really? What if further investigations show that his association Angel Presinal not only provided AFraud with illegal steroids but other players as well. Therefore making AFraud an accomplice. The story is just beginning and until the whole truth is known then everything needs to be an option.

[ccB]

Right thats what I was saying, god no wonder the country is going downhill. Most share your idiotic logic. Your in college? Talk about a waste of dollars.

Yup I am a college student, what did you think I was, some 30 year old creep looking trolling internet forums looking for social interaction? Go ahead and take the easy way out of the argument by insulting my intelligence. My 3.66 GPA isn't a waste of money, and it won't be in a year when I am working in a Hospital near you budday, hopefully you do not develop a cardiopulmonary disease one day or I might have to meet you :(

[Brodeur]

Fine, let's start with the root of the problem:

http://www.femmefan.com/site/images/lookerspics/lookers2/Brady-Anderson.jpg

[iowatreat54]

I am not saying he was right for doing steroids!!! I have nothing against a punishment by the MLB I just think that any legal actions would be dumb and a waste of time.

Well, I'll agree it is a waste of time to prosecute individuals for doing steroids. But the argument is: "should" he be prosecuted for breaking the law? And the answer is yes. In a perfect society, he would be. However, since he is a famous figure, he won't and society will look the other way.

I'm not arguing whether I believe he will or won't be punished. I do believe that he should, but since celebrities are held ot a different standard, he will face no consequences that a normal person would.

It is a waste of time to punish him by law. But he should be punished, and that is indisputable. The fact that he won't is because of his celebrity status and social acceptability.

[BigDawg819]

Yup I am a college student, what did you think I was, some 30 year old creep looking trolling internet forums looking for social interaction? Go ahead and take the easy way out of the argument by insulting my intelligence. My 3.66 GPA isn't a waste of money, and it won't be in a year when I am working in a Hospital near you budday, hopefully you do not develop a cardiopulmonary disease one day or I might have to meet you :(


I'm disagreeing with your opinion, you started the insults with rep sir. But right just deflect on me as usual. You can blame me all you want, you do it every few months. Didn't know 28 was now 30, so I guess that means 3.66 is what 2.99?

ARod broke the law and that should not be forgotten. Whether or not it is isn't up to me. But I'm sick and tired of athletes being held to a different standard then the people who pay their salaries.

[comahan]

Arrested? Really? Thats one of the most moronic things Ive heard. And Im a regular reader of this board for christs sake.

[BigDawg819]

Fine, let's start with the root of the problem:

http://www.femmefan.com/site/images/lookerspics/lookers2/Brady-Anderson.jpg

Many a man in San Fransisco would be disappointed. Although does that mean Frank Robinson gets his Oriole record back? If so then by all means arrest him.

[BigDawg819]

Arrested? Really? Thats one of the most moronic things Ive heard. And Im a regular reader of this board for christs sake.


Again breaking a federal law, no biggie. Apparently I'm wrong......... free Mike Vick he's an athlete, he shouldn't have been charged either... :rolleyes:

[iowatreat54]

Arrested? Really? Thats one of the most moronic things Ive heard. And Im a regular reader of this board for christ sake.

I could care less if he is arrested.

Should he be arrested? Technically speaking, yes. He broke the law.

I don't think he should be arrested. However, I think that he should be punished by the MLB. Whether it is a 1 game suspension or 50; admission of using steroids/committing an illegal act should be punishable. End of story.

[ccB]

ARod broke the law and that should not be forgotten. Whether or not it is isn't up to me. But I'm sick and tired of athletes being held to a different standard then the people who pay their salaries.

You are right, athletes shouldn't be held to different standards, which is why I am saying he shouldn't be arrested. If the average person admitted to a cop he had tried steroids before a cop wouldn't do **** about it, which is the same reason A-Rod shouldn't be arrested. The same thing can be said for Michael Phelps, if a cop had a picture of a random person smoking weed they wouldn't arrest them for it, but someone digs up a picture of Phelps and some nitwits try and lock him up for it.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Yes he broke the law but did he do something so bad he needs to be arrested? In what situation would someone be locked up for coming up dirty for steroids in the real world??

[iowatreat54]

See, the problem is everyone is arguing "should" versus "would".

Just because someone won't get charged/arrested for something, doesn't, mean they shouldn't.

So, just because "it isn't that bad" it means he shouldn't be punished? If Arod is arrested, yea, I'll agree that's pretty silly waste of resources. However, it isn't wrong. Just because something isn't usually enforced, doesn't mean it's right.

[BigDawg819]

Yes he broke the law but did he do something so bad he needs to be arrested? In what situation would someone be locked up for coming up dirty for steroids in the real world??

Taking steroids means at some point he had possession of steroids. Possession of steroids is a federal crime. A + B = C where A is his possessing the steroids to take, B being possession of steroids being a federal crime and C being a federal crime that was broken.

I know he won't be arrested, doesn't mean he technically shouldn't.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Taking steroids means at some point he had possession of steroids. Possession of steroids is a federal crime. A + B = C where A is his possessing the steroids to take, B being possession of steroids being a federal crime and C being a federal crime that was broken.

I know he won't be arrested, doesn't mean he technically shouldn't.

Well technically he didn't have possession of them his cousin did. So he is just guilty of being injected by an illegal drug. Either way you saying lock them up is what I am arguing not whether or not he will be locked up.

[BigDawg819]

Well technically he didn't have possession of them his cousin did. So he is just guilty of being injected by an illegal drug. Either way you saying lock them up is what I am arguing not whether or not he will be locked up.


Being in his body would be possession........

[iowatreat54]

So, just for sake of argument, does anyone believe ARod should be admitted to the Hall of Fame, as of right now?

(Disregarding stats, assuming he was comparable/better statistically than other members)

[mqtirishfan]

Again breaking a federal law, no biggie. Apparently I'm wrong......... free Mike Vick he's an athlete, he shouldn't have been charged either... :rolleyes:

First of all, there must be a statute of limitation on steroid charges, right? If he failed a test in 2003, I doubt they can press charges in 2009 on that. Second, have you ever seen someone taken to prison for steroid use, especially on what would absolutely have to be a first offense?

Honestly, the fact that steroids are illegal is stupid to me.

[Jughead10]

So, just for sake of argument, does anyone believe ARod should be admitted to the Hall of Fame, as of right now?

(Disregarding stats, assuming he was comparable/better statistically than other members)

Hard to say. Depends on how you look at it. If you look at everything he has done and will do since 2004 as clean, then he will get in. However many will not believe that, nor should they. Hard to say.

And what is with these Orioles fans getting on each other. Why can't we all be friends? I'll come down and buy you guys a beer in early April for the bi monthly NY/NJ invasion of Camden Yards.

[DHVF]

Well the Twins got Crede for a base salary of 2.5 million that includes performance bonuses that will escalate it to 7 million if he gets atleast 525 plate appearances. Me likes this deal a lot
http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2009/02/21/done-deal-joe-crede-is-a-twin/?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanch O7DiUr

[Vikes99ej]

Damnit, you beat me DHVF. Still kinda meh on the deal. Hopefully he gives us production equal to or better than Cuddyer.

[DHVF]

Damnit, you beat me DHVF. Still kinda meh on the deal. Hopefully he gives us production equal to or better than Cuddyer.
Well if he's healthy he should atleast match Cuddyer's type of production to go along with great defense, so I love the signing. Its a definite upgrade to the Harris/Buscher platoon.

[fischbowl]

Harris has to be traded. Matt Macri IS the future!

[D-Unit]

So, just for sake of argument, does anyone believe ARod should be admitted to the Hall of Fame, as of right now?

(Disregarding stats, assuming he was comparable/better statistically than other members)
Of course. Why not?

[DHVF]

Harris has to be traded. Matt Macri IS the future!
lol yeah definitely. Macri. Future at 3rd base. lol ;)

[iowatreat54]

Of course. Why not?

Then Pete Rose should also be in the HoF.

If ARod can get in, Rose should be allowed.

[nobodyinparticular]

Just a quick question for those who think that all users should be locked up (all 104 positive tests from the 2003 testing). If you are taking a drug test for a potential job, and you fail the piss test, do you think you should be turned in to the authorities? Or better yet, how would you feel if you're looking for a job at Wal-Mart, fail the test and don't get the job. Then 3 years later the feds bust into the Wal-Mart archives and seize all the test results. After going over the results for 6 months, they break down your door and take you downtown.

Does that sound realistic? Then why should all MLB players who tested positive be taken to court?

[fenikz]

Diamondbacks are apparently going to sign and trade Juan Cruz to the Twins because they are unwilling to give up their 1st, as long as we get good prospects back I'm fine with it, surprised MLB is letting us do this though

[BigDawg819]

Then Pete Rose should also be in the HoF.

If ARod can get in, Rose should be allowed.


Pete should definitely be in as a player, certainly not as a manager.

[JFLO]

I don't think it will ever happen for Rose. People have been debating for Shoeless Joe for about 70 years now and he hasn't been able to get in.

[D-Unit]

Then Pete Rose should also be in the HoF.

If ARod can get in, Rose should be allowed.
Arod didn't hold off the lie for years and years and years...

but yeah... Rose does deserve to be in too.

[Brodeur]

Then Pete Rose should also be in the HoF.

If ARod can get in, Rose should be allowed.

A-Rod is a billion times better than Rose ever was. Rose is incredibly overrated and even without the gambling crap, he's a borderline hall of famer.

[fenikz]

A-Rod is a billion times better than Rose ever was. Rose is incredibly overrated and even without the gambling crap, he's a borderline hall of famer.

really?

Rose, a switch hitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch_hitter), is the all-time Major League leader in hits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_%28baseball%29) (4,256), games played (3,562), at-bats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-bat) (14,053)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose#cite_note-0), and outs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_%28baseball%29) (10,328.) He won three World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series) rings, three batting titles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batting_average), one Most Valuable Player Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Most_Valuable_Player_award), two Gold Gloves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Glove), the Rookie of the Year Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Rookie_of_the_Year_award), and made 17 All-Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_All-Star_Game) appearances at an unequaled five different positions (2B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_baseman), LF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_fielder), RF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_fielder), 3B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_baseman), and 1B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_baseman)).

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[iowatreat54]

A-Rod is a billion times better than Rose ever was. Rose is incredibly overrated and even without the gambling crap, he's a borderline hall of famer.

ARod is better than Rose, but to say Rose is a borderline Hall of Famer is ridiculous.

My point was, Rose only isn't in because he did something illegal, something that is much less than what ARod has admitted to doing.

[Brodeur]

really?

Rose, a switch hitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch_hitter), is the all-time Major League leader in hits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_%28baseball%29) (4,256), games played (3,562), at-bats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-bat) (14,053)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose#cite_note-0), and outs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_%28baseball%29) (10,328.) He won three World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series) rings, three batting titles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batting_average), one Most Valuable Player Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Most_Valuable_Player_award), two Gold Gloves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Glove), the Rookie of the Year Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Rookie_of_the_Year_award), and made 17 All-Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_All-Star_Game) appearances at an unequaled five different positions (2B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_baseman), LF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_fielder), RF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_fielder), 3B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_baseman), and 1B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_baseman)).

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None of these accomplishments are anything special honestly. Hits/Games played/Outs are just a result of him playing for so incredibly long, he played on a bunch of incredibly talented teams (so the WS rings are useless to mention), batting titles are nothing special, and golden gloves are earned on reputation so it doesn't particularly matter.

Harold Raines is a better player than Pete Rose ever was.

[nobodyinparticular]

None of these accomplishments are anything special honestly. Hits/Games played/Outs are just a result of him playing for so incredibly long, he played on a bunch of incredibly talented teams (so the WS rings are useless to mention), batting titles are worthless, and golden gloves are earned on reputation so it doesn't particularly matter.

Harold Raines is a better player than Pete Rose ever was.

Harold Raines? Do you mean Tim Raines? Harold Baines? Or a combination of both?

If you have Raines' average, OBP and SBs combined with Baines' HRs and slugging, I'd say that's a pretty darn good player.

[Brodeur]

Harold Raines? Do you mean Tim Raines? Harold Baines? Or a combination of both?

If you have Raines' average, OBP and SBs combined with Baines' HRs and slugging, I'd say that's a pretty darn good player.

I don't know why I said Harold Raines. Something must be wrong with me today. Although funny thing is Harold Baines was a better hitter than Pete Rose as well.

[iowatreat54]

I don't know why I said Harold Raines. Something must be wrong with me today. Although funny thing is Harold Baines was a better hitter than Pete Rose as well.

Statistics disagree with you.

[fenikz]

None of these accomplishments are anything special honestly. Hits/Games played/Outs are just a result of him playing for so incredibly long, he played on a bunch of incredibly talented teams (so the WS rings are useless to mention), batting titles are nothing special, and golden gloves are earned on reputation so it doesn't particularly matter.

Harold Raines is a better player than Pete Rose ever was.

So i guess you aren't a fan of Favre being in the HoF either

[Brodeur]

So i guess you aren't a fan of Favre being in the HoF either

Pete Rose was not even close to as good of a baseball player as Favre was a football player.

And Baines and Rose are very very close in most stats so I'll disregard that part (although Baines has a slight edge), but Raines was far better offensively than Rose.

[iowatreat54]

Pete Rose was not even close to as good of a baseball player as Favre was a football player.

And Baines and Rose are very very close in most stats so I'll disregard that part (although Baines has a slight edge), but Raines was far better offensively than Rose.

Baines was only a better power hitter. Rose trumps him in nearly every category besides HRs and Slugging.

[Brodeur]

Baines was only a better power hitter. Rose trumps him in nearly every category besides HRs and Slugging.

I'm not going to argue about Harold Baines because I never meant to say he was more of a HOF than Rose. Raines is who I meant to say/stay with.

[mqtirishfan]

Garrett Anderson to Atlanta. Meh, at least he can hit rightys, unlike Diaz.

[Philliez01]

If we're talking about A-Rod and Rose, why not mention Shoeless Joe Jackson?

Then again, even though there is proof to the contrary, Shoeless Joe did admit to purposely throwing a series (let alone the f---ing World Series!) as well as Eddie Ciccotte who may have been the first true knuckleballer.

I must say though, I can't help but think of Ray Liotta when I think of Shoeless Joe Jackson.....

[Eaglez.Fan]

Baseball is going in the wrong direction. How can you have a hall of fame, without the all-time hit leader (Rose), all-time HR leader (Bonds), potentially the best all-around player (A-Rod), and potentially the best pitcher of all-time (Clemens).

[princefielder28]

Baseball is going in the wrong direction. How can you have a hall of fame, without the all-time hit leader (Rose), all-time HR leader (Bonds), potentially the best all-around player (A-Rod), and potentially the best pitcher of all-time (Clemens).

People will still come to the ballpark though. Baseball is too great in people's eyes to die off because of some cheating.

[fenikz]

People will still come to the ballpark though. Baseball is too great in people's eyes to die off because of some cheating.

definitely losing a lot of fair weather fans, AZ is made of them and look at the numbers

1998 44,571 per game

2008 30,986 per game

[Philliez01]

Baseball is going in the wrong direction. How can you have a hall of fame, without the all-time hit leader (Rose), all-time HR leader (Bonds), potentially the best all-around player (A-Rod), and potentially the best pitcher of all-time (Clemens).

Simple. Most voters, and fans for that matter, believe they cheated the game. Those who have a very high opinion of the league feel pretty ashamed of these players who they enjoyed following and found out that most of them were cheats.

Baseball in America, at least to me, is still mythical. The NFL is more popular and the NBA may be more entertaining, but think of the characters baseball had. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Cy Young, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, etc. were all larger-than-life icons. Not superstar athletes but ICONS.

Music has Elvis and the Beatles, but baseball has the Babe.

A lot of those guys, namely Ruth, were around in a time in which sports were just getting bigtime. Baseball from about 1910-WWII (and beyond) was embedded into every little boy's mind. Everyone idolized these guys more than we idolize our Peyton Mannings, Tom Bradys, Adrian Petersons and Brett Favres (well maybe not Favre for some).

Baseball is a sport that seems to thrive off father-son. Is there anything more genuine than a game of catch as evident by Field of Dreams?

With ALL that being said, people feel cheated when they think of these icons of our past being beat out by guys who may have cheated the game. Some feel it's an insult to the memory of the game, which used to be as pure (well as pure as you can be with spitballers, death threats, racism, etc.) before the paychecks. I can't back this up with facts, but that's how I feel so SORRY if anyone takes offense.

Baseball has/had 9 lives. When the country suffered, the game brightened the mood. It also reflected everyday life. Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier may have been one of the most legendary moments in sports history.

Also, Clemens the best of ALL-TIME?!? Nolan Ryan? Sandy Koufax albeit in a much shorter career? Warren Spahn? Christy Matthewson? Same with A-Rod being the best all-around, I have to disagree even if it's just potentially.

[M.O.T.H.]

Garrett Anderson to Atlanta. Meh, at least he can hit rightys, unlike Diaz.

Well, I guess that means no Brandon Jones. I've always held Garret in high regard so, I dont hate the move but, after we missed out on Griffey, I was kind of hoping they'd give Jones a shot. He def. could use the seasoning, though.

I wouldnt be surprised if it was a full-time deal. I havent heard anything yet but, Garrett is coming off of a year w/ 550+ ABs. Griffey made more sense for a platoon.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

definitely losing a lot of fair weather fans, AZ is made of them and look at the numbers

1998 44,571 per game

2008 30,986 per game


Dude, you're comparing the first game in a team's existence to like a year where they finished in meh in the NL meh.

[fenikz]

Dude, you're comparing the first game in a team's existence to like a year where they finished in meh in the NL meh.

1st season not game, 1st game was sold out like 50,000

[PACKmanN]

wow, the Blue Jays are already getting hit by the injury bug.

[Brodeur]

Also, Clemens the best of ALL-TIME?!? Nolan Ryan? Sandy Koufax albeit in a much shorter career? Warren Spahn? Christy Matthewson? Same with A-Rod being the best all-around, I have to disagree even if it's just potentially.

Is this a joke? Please let this be a joke. Can't say I like the listing of Warren Spahn or Sandy Koufax either.

[holt_bruce81]

Dave Duncan on Chris Carpenter.....

"Looked pretty normal to me," Duncan said. "I was tickled pink with the way he threw. I think you have to be conscious of the fact that he hasn’t pitched in two years. (His throw Saturday) tells me he’s as close to 100 percent effort level as you can get. I can’t imagine that he’s got any more in there."

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/4EA9DFA45A71D51B86257565000B6B39?OpenDocument

[Philliez01]

Is this a joke? Please let this be a joke. Can't say I like the listing of Warren Spahn or Sandy Koufax either.

I'm just listing alternatives. There are others we could list, though's Spahn had a terrible end of career (I think he broke north of 5 in ERA once or twice) than most.

Give me Walter Johnson anyday, I saw an awesome thing on I think the History Channel (a channel that I never thought I'd see baseball---not too sure which one it was) that highlighted baseball in the first half-century. EDIT: Forgot to add the point why I mentioned it. Basically, Matthewson, Smokey Joe Wood, Young, Johnson, etc. were all given nice sized intros.

Clemens was a-maz-ing with Boston, when he was "clean". I am never going to diminsh that. But in the eyes of some, his post-Boston days are considered mud now.

[fischbowl]

I'm preparing prospect lists, when I start, I want no one to post in between, there will be one post for every division.

[fenikz]

why not just 1 giant post?

[fischbowl]

why not just 1 giant post?

Eh, too much info

[mqtirishfan]

As for pitchers, Pedro > All

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I would just like post this image because it is amazing:

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/110389/3283017409_970db3d382_o.png

[fischbowl]

I would just like post this image because it is amazing:

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/110389/3283017409_970db3d382_o.png

Haha, yes...........

[nobodyinparticular]

I'm preparing prospect lists, when I start, I want no one to post in between, there will be one post for every division.

You could make 6 consecutive posts (it would take 3 minutes with the 30 second wait time) to hold the spot. Then edit the posts.

[Borat]

Hey Fisch, did you see that the Giants are putting their top 6 prospects on the same High A team in San Jose? That's crazy. Although Alderson should be making his way to AA Connecticut once the weather warms up a little bit. He dominated High A last year as a 19-year old. He doesn't have anything else to prove at that level.

[Giantsfan1080]

Hey Fisch, did you see that the Giants are putting their top 6 prospects on the same High A team in San Jose? That's crazy. Although Alderson should be making his way to AA Connecticut once the weather warms up a little bit. He dominated High A last year as a 19-year old. He doesn't have anything else to prove at that level.

I thought Alderson, Bumgarner, and Posey were going to be together at AA not High A. They won't be there for long I guess because they all will probably dominate as Alderson already has. I like the idea of keeping them together though so create chemistry.

[Borat]

I thought Alderson, Bumgarner, and Posey were going to be together at AA not High A. They won't be there for long I guess because they all will probably dominate as Alderson already has. I like the idea of keeping them together though so create chemistry.

I know Alderson will be moved up quickly. Probably end of May or early June. Posey will probably go with him since the AA manager is former Giants catcher Steve Decker and he got rave reviews for his work with Pablo Sandoval the past 2 years behind the dish. Bumgarner destroyed Low A last year, so a full year in High A is probable, unless he destroys High A and shows enough to move up mid-season. Villalona will probably stay in San Jose for the year. Nick Noonan and Conor Gillespie could move up to AA mid-season if they start off strong.

[Giantsfan1080]

I know Alderson will be moved up quickly. Probably end of May or early June. Posey will probably go with him since the AA manager is former Giants catcher Steve Decker and he got rave reviews for his work with Pablo Sandoval the past 2 years behind the dish. Bumgarner destroyed Low A last year, so a full year in High A is probable, unless he destroys High A and shows enough to move up mid-season. Villalona will probably stay in San Jose for the year. Nick Noonan and Conor Gillespie could move up to AA mid-season if they start off strong.

Yeah that all sounds about right. I read in BA that Bumgarner was most likely skipping High A to pitch with Alderson in AA. As you said when the weather gets warmer they'll send them to Connecticut.

[fischbowl]

Hey Fisch, did you see that the Giants are putting their top 6 prospects on the same High A team in San Jose? That's crazy. Although Alderson should be making his way to AA Connecticut once the weather warms up a little bit. He dominated High A last year as a 19-year old. He doesn't have anything else to prove at that level.

That's ridiculous, I guess the only viable reason is to keep them close to home for now. Both Bum and Alderson have nothing to prove there, but they're still young.

Posey I could see spending all year in San Jose, Decker will have his time with him

[Giantsfan1080]

2010 Giants Rotation possibly going to be:

1. Lincecum
2. Bumgarner
3. Cain
4. Alderson


I guess at that point they may trade Cain for a hitter but you never know. That rotation would still be ridiculous especially in Pac Bell(that was the first name I'll always call it that.)

[Brodeur]

2010 Giants Rotation possibly going to be:

1. Lincecum
2. Bumgarner
3. Cain
4. Alderson


I guess at that point they may trade Cain for a hitter but you never know. That rotation would still be ridiculous especially in Pac Bell(that was the first name I'll always call it that.)

Don't forget Jonathan Sanchez who can be a really great pitcher if he gets it together.

[fischbowl]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0422/pg2_g_hernandez_400.jpg

God, I love Keith Hernandez

[Giantsfan1080]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0422/pg2_g_hernandez_400.jpg

God, I love Keith Hernandez

The whole '86 Mets team was just crazy. I have no idea how they did so well considering how they treated themselves. Then again it is probably the reason they only won 1 WS when they probably should had another 1 or 2.

[Borat]

2010 Giants Rotation possibly going to be:

1. Lincecum
2. Bumgarner
3. Cain
4. Alderson


I guess at that point they may trade Cain for a hitter but you never know. That rotation would still be ridiculous especially in Pac Bell(that was the first name I'll always call it that.)

2010 would be a dream come true, but I think 2011 is more likely. Also Zito will still have a spot in that rotation which sucks big time.

Broduer, you're right that Sanchez has a ton of potential. He just can't seem to put it all together consistently. He's so damn frustrating. He's kind of like Oliver Perez in that he can be super dominating and then super awful in back to back starts.

[nobodyinparticular]

2010 Giants Rotation possibly going to be:

1. Lincecum
2. Bumgarner
3. Cain
4. Alderson


I guess at that point they may trade Cain for a hitter but you never know. That rotation would still be ridiculous especially in Pac Bell(that was the first name I'll always call it that.)

A's rotation in 2010:

1. Trevor Cahill
2. Brett Anderson
3. Sean Gallagher
4. Dana Eveland
5. Gio Gonzalez
On the cusp: Vince Mazzaro

On the way: Brett Hunter, Tyson Ross, James Simmons

By 2012, the Bay Area is going to have a LOT of nice pitching. And that's not counting the possible phenom Michael Ynoa.

[fenikz]

Ya Diamondbacks tend to be good at drafting pitchers, we also normally take like 8 in the 1st 10 rounds

[ATLDirtyBirds]

The whole '86 Mets team was just crazy. I have no idea how they did so well considering how they treated themselves. Then again it is probably the reason they only won 1 WS when they probably should had another 1 or 2.

Indeed. Keith, Doc, Straw, etc. Such an awesome team.

[ccB]

Since everyone else is doing it...

The (Hopefully) 2010 O's Rotation

1. Brian Matusz
2. Chris Tillman
3. Jake Arrieta
4. Jeremy Guthrie
5. Troy Patton (I am higher on him than most)

Guthrie will more than likely still be the #1 in 10' but not for long once that rotation hits the big leagues. Plus we have high potential guys like Brandon Erbe coming up eventually with a host of other solid arms (Hernandez, Spoone, Butler, Butler, Bergenson etc)

and for everyones viewing pleasure, another Matt Wieters pic! (This time with Jake Arrieta included!)

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/32770/45096132.jpg

please hold while I clean off my keyboard...

[Jughead10]

Haha. I hope the Yankees rotation in 2010 is the same. It will be the same, just maybe Hughes instead of Pettitte.

[fischbowl]

Since everyone else is doing it...

The (Hopefully) 2010 O's Rotation

1. Brian Matusz
2. Chris Tillman
3. Jake Arrieta
4. Jeremy Guthrie
5. Troy Patton (I am higher on him than most)

Guthrie will more than likely still be the #1 in 10' but not for long once that rotation hits the big leagues. Plus we have high potential guys like Brandon Erbe coming up eventually with a host of other solid arms (Hernandez, Spoone, Butler, Butler, Bergenson etc)

and for everyones viewing pleasure, another Matt Wieters pic! (This time with Jake Arrieta included!)

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/32770/45096132.jpg

please hold while I clean off my keyboard...

I bet you know how wet I am since you posted that

[Brodeur]

2010 rotation of Les Tigres:
1. Justin Verlander
2. Jeremy Bonderman
3. Rick Porcello
4/5. Edwin Jackson/Dontrelle Willis/Zach Miner/Nate Robertson/Armando Galaragga/some other garbage prospects

Still sucks outside of the front 3.

[Borat]

2 things:

1. Heard on the radio that the A's are getting shut out of the proposed Fremont stadium plans. They had 2 sites to build on and their owner has already spent $24M on planning and yet the residents are basically saying "get lost". That sucks for them. Now the A's are looking at San Jose, but the Giants have the rights to that area. On XM they were saying the A's are the top canidate for a major move elsewhere.

2. If you haven't heard of Bryce Harper, look him up now. He's a man-beast and that's based off being only a sophomore in high school. John Manuel at BA had this to say about taking Harper over Strasburg if Harper was eligible for this draft:

I’d go Harper 1-1, over Strasburg, and here’s why. He’s got an 80 arm; if not 80, then 70. He’s got 70 or 80 raw power. He’s a good receiver for his age as a catcher, and he’s physical. He’s frankly in the class of the Justin Uptons and Delmon Youngs as far as being a high school player who dominated older competition as a 14-year-old. Those kinds of guys go 1-1 in drafts, and on top of it, Harper is a catcher who bats lefthanded. He’s like Joe Mauer with power and less question about him being a catcher, because he’s not 6-foot-5. I don’t think he has Mauer’s makeup but he might have better tools, in fact he does have better tools, esp. power.

[Brodeur]

Harper's a good prospect but Strasburg is the best pitching prospect of the decade. I would not even consider anyone else but him at 1.

[Borat]

Harper's a good prospect but Strasburg is the best pitching prospect of the decade. I would not even consider anyone else but him at 1.

But Harper has OMGZDINGERZZZZZZZ.

I got all giddy watching the high school home run contest at the Trop in Tampa Bay. Kid hit one 502 feet (as a sophomore) and they said it would have gone completely out of Yankee stadium.

[Jughead10]

But Harper has OMGZDINGERZZZZZZZ.

I got all giddy watching the high school home run contest at the Trop in Tampa Bay. Kid hit one 502 feet (as a sophomore) and they said it would have gone completely out of Yankee stadium.

Impossible. Hamilton didn't even hit it out of Yankee Stadium and he hit balls further than that. There is only one little alley where they said it would even be possible. It's basically hitting a bullseye while also hitting the ball 550.

[P-L]

Hopefully the Sox 2010 rotation looks something like this.

1. Beckett
2. Matsuzaka
3. Lester
4. Buchholz
5. Bowden

No necessarily in that order though.

[M.O.T.H.]

2010 the Braves are looking at all righties. I dont think Reyes will ever be reliable for us...we'll need to find a lefty some where.

1. Lowe
2. Jurrjens
3. Vasquez
4. Kawakami
5. Hanson

Just think the Braves could have had Lester, among others for Andruw Jones. dammit. If the Braves just lowered their demands just a little, we could have had him. :(

[fischbowl]

Strasburg is probably second but he's not close to David Price as a prospect.

Bryce Harper is the ******* man, good call Borat

[Brodeur]

Strasburg is probably second but he's not close to David Price as a prospect.

Well Strasburg has yet to pitch his Junior season but in his sophomore year he had a significantly better walk rate than Price did in his sophomore year and allowed less homers. Of course Price also struck out more in his sophomore year but whatever.

I guess you have to compare the fact that they both have dominating fastballs, great sliders, and mediocre change-ups. We'll see how Strasburg does in his Junior year but the only real advantages that Price has over him is the K rate and the fact that he's a lefty. Plus Price's Junior year wasn't as good as his Sophomore year.

[Hines]

I don't even want to post what the Pirates 2010 rotation will be.

[Giantsfan1080]

Hopefully the Sox 2010 rotation looks something like this.

1. Beckett
2. Matsuzaka
3. Lester
4. Buchholz
5. Bowden

No necessarily in that order though.

No Hagadone?

[Brodeur]

No Hagadone?

If they re-sign Beckett, Hagadone is going to the bullpen.

[Giantsfan1080]

If they re-sign Beckett, Hagadone is going to the bullpen.

That's not definite. His upside is just as high as anyone they have including Bucholz so I wouldn't pencil that in just yet.

[Borat]

Impossible. Hamilton didn't even hit it out of Yankee Stadium and he hit balls further than that. There is only one little alley where they said it would even be possible. It's basically hitting a bullseye while also hitting the ball 550.

Well, I'm not going to say it's impossible, but this guy who does the tracking of HR distances and trajectories for MLB said this:

Notice the white ball toward the top, left-center of the photo. It traveled 502 feet, the longest of the event and on record at Tropicana. According to Rybarczyk, the ball would have exited Yankee Stadium. Greg told Baseball America's Rode, "It was hit at precisely the right direction to get just to the left of the upper deck in Yankee Stadium, but to the right of the bleachers and back bleacher wall. It would have cleared the back wall of Yankee Stadium with probably about 15 to 20 feet to spare."

Rode added, "Another one of his shots traveled 484 feet and at its angle would have landed in the right field Upper Deck of Fenway Park, which has never been done."

http://baseballanalysts.com/Harper_photo_scatter_pic2_2-1-thumb.jpg

[Brodeur]

That's not definite. His upside is just as high as anyone they have including Bucholz so I wouldn't pencil that in just yet.

Well after the TJ surgery and the fact that he still only really has 2.5 pitches, I just don't see him making the rotation over Buchholz or Bowden. Plus at this point Tazawa is probably a better prospect than Hagadone.

[Borat]

Yu Darvish will probably be in Boston by then anyway.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well after the TJ surgery and the fact that he still only really has 2.5 pitches, I just don't see him making the rotation over Buchholz or Bowden. Plus at this point Tazawa is probably a better prospect than Hagadone.

We'll see. 2 dominant pitches and an average one is really all you need to be a SP. I'll try and remember this one 2 years from now haha.

[Brodeur]

Yu Darvish will probably be in Boston by then anyway.

Do the Sox really need Yu Darvish with (potentially) Jon Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Bowden, Dice-K, Masterson, Tazawa, and I suppose potentially Hagadone waiting in 2010/2011? Plus, if Casey Kelly sticks at pitcher they have another option.

[Jughead10]

Well, I'm not going to say it's impossible, but this guy who does the tracking of HR distances and trajectories for MLB said this:



http://baseballanalysts.com/Harper_photo_scatter_pic2_2-1-thumb.jpg

Then I guess I take it back. Because that is the exact spot I was speaking of. It is the only possible alley to ever hit a ball out, but it is so narrow and the ball would have to kind of hook around the protruding upperdeck in rightfield. Still extremely hard to predict.

[Borat]

Yeah, I was just using the ole Boston-Asian pitcher corrolation. I have no idea where Darvish will end up.

[Brodeur]

Yeah, I was just using the ole Boston-Asian pitcher corrolation. I have no idea where Darvish will end up.

If the Tigers didn't have so much invested in crappy to mediocre pitchers, I would love for Darvish to be a Tiger. But I'll guess the Mariners since they are one of the three who usually goes after the Japanese prospects, and they have starting pitching holes.

[Giantsfan1080]

Is Darvish pitching for Japan in the WBC?

[Brodeur]

Is Darvish pitching for Japan in the WBC?

Last time I heard he was.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Rays 2010 Rotation:

Kazmir
Price
Shields
Garza
Wade Davis

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Mets are set for the next few years rotation wise.

Santana
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Niese

[Brodeur]

Rays 2010 Rotation:

Kazmir
Price
Shields
Garza
Wade Davis

If Wade Davis starts over Sonnastine I will drive a car into a river.

[Giantsfan1080]

Mets are set for the next few years rotation wise.

Santana
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Niese

I wouldn't be suprised if we saw Holt in the rotation in 2010.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

If Wade Davis starts over Sonnastine I will drive a car into a river.

Meh, he'll probably get traded after he wins a ****load of games this year.

[nobodyinparticular]

2 things:

1. Heard on the radio that the A's are getting shut out of the proposed Fremont stadium plans. They had 2 sites to build on and their owner has already spent $24M on planning and yet the residents are basically saying "get lost". That sucks for them. Now the A's are looking at San Jose, but the Giants have the rights to that area. On XM they were saying the A's are the top canidate for a major move elsewhere.

Yeah, the Fremont residents are being ridiculous. I would actually think there is a pretty good chance that the A's are able to buy the rights to San Jose from the Giants. Bud Selig has been talking about it--something that he has been absolutely against in years past.

I am going to go to hell for this, but I kind of hope they move to Portland. Because I'm moving up to that area in a few months so it would be amazing if my baseball team followed. :D

[Borat]

Yeah, the Fremont residents are being ridiculous. I would actually think there is a pretty good chance that the A's are able to buy the rights to San Jose from the Giants. Bud Selig has been talking about it--something that he has been absolutely against in years past.


Yeah, I remember the last time Oakland wanted San Jose rights and the Giants threw a fit about it. I'd guess they'd ask for some astronomical/ridiculous amount of money for them. I know the Giants act like SJ is key to their attendance, just not sure how accurate that really is though.

[Giantsfan1080]

If a team moved to Portland would it have to be a retractable dome like Seattle because of the rain?

[fischbowl]

If the Tigers didn't have so much invested in crappy to mediocre pitchers, I would love for Darvish to be a Tiger. But I'll guess the Mariners since they are one of the three who usually goes after the Japanese prospects, and they have starting pitching holes.

I hate to say it but my money is on Darvish being a Yankee.

And lest you forget, Hagadone also had TJ surgery this past year

[Jughead10]

I hate to say it but my money is on Darvish being a Yankee.

And lest you forget, Hagadone also had TJ surgery this past year

I hope not. I just don't see that happening for some reason.

[fenikz]

fine

2010 Diamondbacks Roto

1. Brandon Webb
2. Dan Haren
3. Max Scherzer
4. Jarrod Parker
5. Cesar Valdez / Wade Miley / Bryan Shaw / Trevor Harden

I declare victory

[Giantsfan1080]

I don't think there is anyway Darvish is a Yankee with all the money they spent on pitching this year. Hughes will be ready to step into a spot after this year. I hate to say it but I still think Hughes becomes a big star pitcher.

[Stash]

Yeah, the Fremont residents are being ridiculous. I would actually think there is a pretty good chance that the A's are able to buy the rights to San Jose from the Giants. Bud Selig has been talking about it--something that he has been absolutely against in years past.

I am going to go to hell for this, but I kind of hope they move to Portland. Because I'm moving up to that area in a few months so it would be amazing if my baseball team followed. :D
The Fremont location wasn't all that great to begin with. 5 miles from BART is too far, they would have just been begging for major traffic problems.

And about that second paragraph, BLASPHEMY! I will hunt down Lew and kill him if that happens.

A's rotation in 2010:

1. Trevor Cahill
2. Brett Anderson
3. Sean Gallagher
4. Dana Eveland
5. Gio Gonzalez
On the cusp: Vince Mazzaro

On the way: Brett Hunter, Tyson Ross, James SimmonsI've heard Simmons could be competing for the #5 spot on the big club this year, but if he doesn't make it Sacramento could have one hell of a rotation. He along with Anderson, Cahill, and Mazzaro on the same AAA staff is scary.

[Damix]

Yea, I really doubt Darvish goes to the Yanks after the Igawa thing. Very different pitchers, I know, but the trust in the our Japanese scouting department must be shot right now. Also, hes a bit of a flake when it comes to the media over there, I can't imagine him in NY.

I also expect Darvish to actually go for less then Matsuzaka, despite all the reports that he will go for more.

Stuff wise, while he's more ready then the Yankee's prospects, he has less talent then Betenaces and Brackman.

[Brodeur]

I hate to say it but my money is on Darvish being a Yankee.

And lest you forget, Hagadone also had TJ surgery this past year

Did you not read the debate I was having with Giantsfan like 2 posts above that?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I wouldn't be suprised if we saw Holt in the rotation in 2010.


Very fair. I think he's more of 2011. I don't see him bumping anyone, as it appears that we like Niese a lot. I'd kill for him to put up big numbers so Niese becomes expandable though. Not very big on him.

[aNYtitan]

Yea, I really doubt Darvish goes to the Yanks after the Igawa thing. Very different pitchers, I know, but the trust in the our Japanese scouting department must be shot right now. Also, hes a bit of a flake when it comes to the media over there, I can't imagine him in NY.

I also expect Darvish to actually go for less then Matsuzaka, despite all the reports that he will go for more.

Stuff wise, while he's more ready then the Yankee's prospects, he has less talent then Betenaces and Brackman.


I've read reports that he has command of every possible pitch with the exception of a knuckle ball. I think that is some pretty damn good talent, not to mention he would be MLB ready once he signs, not like Brackman or Betances who are probably at least 2 years away, in Brackman's case

[Giantsfan1080]

Very fair. I think he's more of 2011. I don't see him bumping anyone, as it appears that we like Niese a lot. I'd kill for him to put up big numbers so Niese becomes expandable though. Not very big on him.

Yeah 2010 would be best case. Niese as we know profiles as a 3 while Holt as a 1. I think Niese will be good at what he does but Holt at his best will be far superior.

[Donno]

I've heard Simmons could be competing for the #5 spot on the big club this year, but if he doesn't make it Sacramento could have one hell of a rotation. He along with Anderson, Cahill, and Mazzaro on the same AAA staff is scary.

Thank god, I will be going to more River Cats games haha

[Jughead10]

BA's top 100 prospects list is up.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2009/267698.html

[M.O.T.H.]

Hanson ahead of Heyward. hmm. First time I've seen that.

I thought Freddie Freeman would be higher.

[ccB]

BA's top 100 prospects list is up.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2009/267698.html

3 in the top 25 including #1, I'll take it....take it to the bathroom and pleasure myself to it. Ok maybe I went a tad bit far with that one.

[ccB]

Hanson ahead of Heyward. hmm. First time I've seen that.

I thought Freddie Freeman would be higher.

Probably due to Hanson being ML ready sooner. Heyward will almost definitely be the #1 prospect in the league come this time next year IMO. Love that guy, really wanted him at #5 pick when I thought we had not chance at Wieters.

[Hines]

I can't believe McCutchen dropped from a top 15 prospect to 33 in one year. I am glad that the three players that the Pirates are counting on most in the future are on the list. I hope that both Cutch and Tabata develop. McClouth-Cutch-Tabata would be a really good outfield.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

BA's top 100 prospects list is up.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2009/267698.html

It may just be my eyes but I did not see Tim Beckham on that list.

[Xiomera]

Porcello not in the Top 20? Hmm . . .

[ccB]

It may just be my eyes but I did not see Tim Beckham on that list.

28 TIM
BECKHAM SS, RAYS
6: High school shortstops drafted No. 1 overall in the last 30 years: Shawon Dunston, Chipper Jones, Alex Rodriguez, Matt Bush and Justin Upton preceded Beckham.
Opening Day Age: 19 ETA: 2012

[Brodeur]

Porcello not in the Top 20? Hmm . . .

Logan Morrison over him is ********. Hell, Alvarez's fatass too?

[Stash]

Sweet, 7 A's in the top 100. Anderson #7, Cahill #11, Inoa #54, Cunningham #55, Cardenas #74, Carter #76, Gio #97 (didn't know he was still eligible, guess he didn't play enough in MLB last year).

[Giantsfan1080]

Sweet, 7 A's in the top 100. Anderson #7, Cahill #11, Inoa #54, Cunningham #55, Cardenas #74, Carter #76, Gio #97 (didn't know he was still eligible, guess he didn't play enough in MLB last year).

Gio had 34 of a possible 50 IP last year.

[Jughead10]

Seems like BA gave Jesus Montero a little more love than some of the other rankings. He's a better prospect than Jackson. Jackson is just closer to being ready. And can play a position, haha.

[Hines]

Logan Morrison over him is ********. Hell, Alvarez's fatass too?

Alvarez actually got in shape for Spring Training.

Apparently he is really impressing and could be in the majors by the end of this season.

[Jughead10]

Anyone else actually excited about the WBC? For some reason I am. I really want USA to reclaim their stake on baseball. The Dominican is an ever so slight favorite in Vegas, but I really don't like the way their team is constructed. I think USA is clearly the favorite with teams such as Mexico and Venezuela being just as good as the Dominican.

[Sniper]

No team will ever win anything as long as Alex Rodriguez is on it. I'm going with Japan.

[Jughead10]

No team will ever win anything as long as Alex Rodriguez is on it. I'm going with Japan.

It's just not contructed well. The OF is bad, as is the pitching staff. With the limits on pitch count, USA was smart to go with only 4 starters and crap load of relievers. They have a huge advantage in pitching.

[Giantsfan1080]

How does the pools work in the WBC this year? 2 out of every pool or just the winners?

[Tha Wootster]

Canada team is pretty bad in term of pitching staff :( but we have Russell Martin and Jason Bay!

[iowatreat54]

Canada team is pretty bad in term of pitching staff :( but we have Russell Martin and Jason Bay!

I'm assuming Harden and Dumpster aren't pitching?

Yea, that's right, the Cubs know how legit Canada is at baseball.

[Sniper]

I'm assuming Harden and Dumpster aren't pitching?

Yea, that's right, the Cubs know how legit Canada is at baseball.

Team USA should remember how legit Canada is at baseball! :D

[Tha Wootster]

I'm assuming Harden and Dumpster aren't pitching?

Yea, that's right, the Cubs know how legit Canada is at baseball.

No Harden, Dempster, Francis no Erik Bedard :(

At least we have the awesomeness that is Aumont :D

[iowatreat54]

No Harden, Dempster, Francis no Erik Bedard :(

At least we have the awesomeness that is Aumont :D

At least Morneau is playing?

[Tha Wootster]

At least Morneau is playing?

Morneau, Votto, Teahen, Bay and Martin!

[iowatreat54]

Morneau, Votto, Teahen, Bay and Martin!

That's not bad at all, but you're right, the lack of pitching will bite them in the ass.

I'm excited for the WBC just because it's baseball. I really don't care if not all the big name players are playing, it will still be fun to watch and root for USA.

[Tha Wootster]

Oh and I forgot the awesomeness that is Brett Lawrie! :D

[princefielder28]

Oh and I forgot the awesomeness that is Brett Lawrie! :D

Lawrie FTW!!!

[Tha Wootster]

Lawrie FTW!!!


http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7264/aumont.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/aumont.jpg/1/w453.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img11/aumont.jpg/1/)

[M.O.T.H.]

Baseball tomorrow!

Lets see what Frenchy's new adjustments do this year. :D

Maybe he'll break .250 this year.

[Brodeur]

No team will ever win anything as long as Alex Rodriguez is on it. I'm going with Japan.

What a false assumption but I'm tired of arguing for the obvious.

[MetSox17]

Anyone else actually excited about the WBC? For some reason I am. I really want USA to reclaim their stake on baseball. The Dominican is an ever so slight favorite in Vegas, but I really don't like the way their team is constructed. I think USA is clearly the favorite with teams such as Mexico and Venezuela being just as good as the Dominican.

Oliver Perez will throw no-hitter after no-hitter, and Jorge Cantu will have 8 bombs! Quote me. ;)

[themaninblack]

Letting Jorge Cantu go was probably one of the better moves the Reds have made recently.

/sarcasm.

[Brodeur]

Letting Jorge Cantu go was probably one of the better moves the Reds have made recently.

/sarcasm.

Cantu is a crappy defensive 3rd baseman, and the Reds are perfectly set at 2nd and 1st anyway.

[Damix]

Ahh, first Yankees spring training game about to start.

Too bad I can't watch it.

[bored of education]

I can't want for Carl Pavano to go 21-4, 2.23 ERA and 245 Ks this year and be 2nd runner up in the Cy Young voting to Carmona and Lee.

[nobodyinparticular]

BASEBALL!!!! WOOHOO!!! Let's get this party started!

[bsaza2358]

I'm going to Yanks-Rays spring training opening day tomorrow and Yanks-Twins on Friday in Ft. Myers. Part of a bachelor party for a Yanks fan.

[themaninblack]

Cantu is a crappy defensive 3rd baseman, and the Reds are perfectly set at 2nd and 1st anyway.

Edwin Encarnacion may be a better defensive third baseman, but he can't throw to first base to save his life. Cantu probably has a better bat but don't quote me on it.

[Brodeur]

Edwin Encarnacion may be a better defensive third baseman, but he can't throw to first base to save his life. Cantu probably has a better bat but don't quote me on it.

Edwin's actually probably worse defensively, but it doesn't matter all that much. The Reds needs OF's besides Bruce.

And if Jim Bowden keeps his job after all this Dominican prospect crap, factored in with the fact that he's a ******* atrocious GM, I will put the Berlin Wall back up.

[M.O.T.H.]

So Frenchy looking solid in the debut game today 0-4. haha.

[thetedginnshow]

Rasmus went 2-5. Awwww yeah.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

******* edwin...randy choate.

R Choate (L,0-1) 1 5 5 4 0 1 1

It's just not the same.

[fischbowl]

Edwin's actually probably worse defensively, but it doesn't matter all that much. The Reds needs OF's besides Bruce.

And if Jim Bowden keeps his job after all this Dominican prospect crap, factored in with the fact that he's a ******* atrocious GM, I will put the Berlin Wall back up.

How Jim Bowden isn't the face of the bonus skimming scandal is completely beyond me. To think it can go that high up in the system, past the Rijos and the Wilders, is too much not to notice. My friend is actually working on this story.

[dabears10]

I don't think profanity is needed for a spring training game. It is spring training.

[Brodeur]

How Jim Bowden isn't the face of the bonus skimming scandal is completely beyond me. To think it can go that high up in the system, past the Rijos and the Wilders, is too much not to notice. My friend is actually working on this story.

Well I mean Bowden has been awful for two organizations now and is a terrible human being, plus factor in this scandal he really needs to go. They should just fire him and hire Tony LaCava immediately.

[fischbowl]

Well I mean Bowden has been awful for two organizations now and is a terrible human being, plus factor in this scandal he really needs to go. They should just fire him and hire Tony LaCava immediately.

I agree, Jim Bowden is the shithead of baseball

[aNYtitan]

******* edwin...randy choate.

R Choate (L,0-1) 1 5 5 4 0 1 1

It's just not the same.

Randy Choate is still pitching? What has this world come to?

[themaninblack]

Edwin's actually probably worse defensively, but it doesn't matter all that much. The Reds needs OF's besides Bruce.

The thing I hate about Edwin is that will consistently make amazing plays at third but blow a bunch of routine ones. That and he'll make a great play and throw it to Marty Brenneman up in the announcer's booth.


But ya, we definitely need another good OF though I have some hopes for Chris Dickerson.

[fenikz]

D'Backs possible line up

1 Lopez S
2 Drew L
3 Jackson R
4 Upton R
5 Young R
6 Reynolds R
7 Tracy L / Byrnes R
8 Synder R / Montero L

if 2-6 hitters ever reach their potential that is scary

[Jughead10]

******* edwin...randy choate.

R Choate (L,0-1) 1 5 5 4 0 1 1

It's just not the same.

Gonna be another brawl today, like in ST last year?

Could be ugly today. Looks like we are starting our near opening day lineup while the Rays are starting a AAA lineup today.

[comahan]

Im giddy with excitement! Astros on TV in 30 minutes. Awesome.

[Brodeur]

Is this what Oswalt is going to look like during the season?

[comahan]

Its what he always looks like in the 2nd half of seasons

[mqtirishfan]

I'm assuming this is what Campillo will look like...

[Brodeur]

Wait, Bourn is actually going to be an opening day starter for the Astros?

[mqtirishfan]

Hooray, Tommy Hanson is warming up.

[comahan]

Yep. Very good defense at least (in our ginormous CF especially). If he can hit AT ALL (hit .270/.330 over the last few months last year and was OMG GREAT IN WINTER BALL), then him hitting 7th wont bother me. We won 86 games last year with him hitting .225/.280, most of the time as our leadoff guy (uhg), so It cant really get much worse.

[mqtirishfan]

Did I just hear someone say that Roy Oswalt is great because if he misses, he'll hit a batter?

[comahan]

Did I just hear someone say that Roy Oswalt is great because if he misses, he'll hit a batter?

As opposed to missing inside by throwing it right over the middle, yes.

[Brodeur]

Yep. Very good defense at least (in our ginormous CF especially). If he can hit AT ALL (hit .270/.330 over the last few months last year and was OMG GREAT IN WINTER BALL), then him hitting 7th wont bother me. We won 86 games last year with him hitting .225/.280, most of the time as our leadoff guy (uhg), so It cant really get much worse.

His defense is slightly above average but it's certainly not enough to overcome how pitiful he is at the plate. Maybe if he was Endy Chavez-esque out there, but he's not.

[comahan]

His defense is slightly above average but it's certainly not enough to overcome how pitiful he is at the plate. Maybe if he was Endy Chavez-esque out there, but he's not.

He really is. He tracks down everything, has a good arm (much better than I thought it would be), and knows how to play our ridiculously awesome hill! :D

But really, hes MUCH better on defense than anyone we have, and better than slightly above average, even if random saber stats dont say so -_-

[mqtirishfan]

Hopefully Hanson is in for this inning. I'm really hoping he can make it to the majors late in the season.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Wade Davis just made Tex and A-Rod look foolish. YAY.

[Brodeur]

He really is. He tracks down everything, has a good arm (much better than I thought it would be), and knows how to play our ridiculously awesome hill! :D

But really, hes MUCH better on defense than anyone we have, and better than slightly above average, even if random saber stats dont say so -_-

Eh Erstad is probably better over a whole season in Center than Bourn is defensively. They both suck balls offensively, but you can't have everything with Ed Wade as GM.

[comahan]

Hanson is pretty nasty lol

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Hanson is pretty nasty lol

I'm a huge fan of Hanson. Tall groundballer with great stuff? Hell yes.

[comahan]

Eh Erstad is probably better over a whole season in Center than Bourn is defensively. They both suck balls offensively, but you can't have everything with Ed Wade as GM.

Or not being allowed to add anyone decent in the offseason because we have to shave a lot of payroll. Can't add anything in the outfield when we're being forced to let go an everyday infielder coming off of a career year that helped carry us in our push toward the playoffs.

Wade has been fine so far, exponentially better than our last GM (not that thats saying much).

[comahan]

EL CABALLO with the play in left.

Well, it was a catch. Good enough.

[Giantsfan1080]

Our new #3 hiter, Jose Reyes, just hit a Grand Slam.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/change-is-good/

[M.O.T.H.]

Freddie Freeman home run. hooray!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Our new #3 hiter, Jose Reyes, just hit a Grand Slam.


Dropped 2 bombs today.

[Brodeur]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/change-is-good/

And yet the best pitcher in baseball threw it 3.4 percent of the time in 2008.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

And yet the best pitcher in baseball threw it 3.4 percent of the time in 2008.

It's because he knows he can never overtake shields in changeups.

[nobodyinparticular]

D'Backs possible line up

1 Lopez S
2 Drew L
3 Jackson R
4 Upton R
5 Young R
6 Reynolds R
7 Tracy L / Byrnes R
8 Synder R / Montero L

if 2-6 hitters ever reach their potential that is scary

Young and Reynolds are probably to have problems making contact and striking out their whole career. If Drew can learn a bit more patience he can be really scary though.

[Brodeur]

It's because he knows he can never overtake shields in changeups.

If he tried hard enough, he could probably dominate with it. That's just the way Doc rolls.

[thule]

manny just rejected that 2-year 45m dollar deal from the dodgers per sportscenter

[Giantsfan1080]

manny just rejected that 2-year 45m dollar deal from the dodgers per sportscenter

That's pretty suprising. Maybe he's going to wait untill May to sign.

[aNYtitan]

That's pretty suprising. Maybe he's going to wait untill May to sign.

Man, he might as well do a Clemens and sign in the middle of the season for $20 million.

[Brodeur]

manny just rejected that 2-year 45m dollar deal from the dodgers per sportscenter

Okay this is getting ridiculous. He's a great hitter but he's an absolute piece of **** in the field and he's declining.

[Scotty D]

What is he looking for? I'm thinking his lazy ass is going sit on this offer so he doesn't have to go through spring training.

[PACKmanN]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20081212/450snider.jpg

Be afraid, very afraid. The beast of Travis Snider is coming.

[Brodeur]

For the $25 million the Dodgers offered Manny they could have got:
Adam Dunn
Jeremy Affeldt
Randy Johnson
Russell Branyan
Eric Hinske

And you can alternate that anyway you want to fit the dumbass offer and the bigger dumbass combo that is Manny/Boras.

[art vandelay]

LOL that Pedroia MLB The Show commercial is gold.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Chicks Dig The Longoball.

REUNITED AND IT FEEELS SO GOOOD.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Tim beckham got a hit in Spring Training.

...

Can we get rid of bartlett yet?