2009 MLB Discussion Thread

[Sniper]

Discuss the '09 season aqui!

[Sniper]

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1414913&posted=1#post1414913

Link to old thread.

[Sniper]

T2FL pwnd the last MLB thread. 508 more posts than the closest guy (BB).

[bsaza2358]

Quantity is not = to quality. Keep that in mind. Not judging. Just saying/

[bsaza2358]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300285650890


HAHAHAHAHA

[SuperKevin]

T2FL had like 500 posts of just useless stats and another 200 of saying ******* Edwin Jackson!

[Borat]

T2FL had like 500 posts of just useless stats and another 200 of saying ******* Edwin Jackson!

And about 30 posts saying "Chicks dig the Longo ball"

[dabears10]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300285650890


HAHAHAHAHA

That's crap, if I buy your fandom I should be allowed to make you root for another team.

[SuperKevin]

So Trevor Hoffman to sign with Milwuakee

Sorry. Just figured there should be at least one relevant baseball post in this thread so far.

[CJSchneider]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/01/07/sports/07yankees.1.533.jpg

Tex in the Big Apple. I need to post here more this year - it's gonna be great.

[SuperKevin]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/01/07/sports/07yankees.1.533.jpg

Tex in the Big Apple. I need to post here more this year - it's gonna be great.

Go to hell.

[ElectricEye]

I'm excited about the Smoltz signing for the Sox. Very low risk, high reward. He won't come in until late in the season and he could be pretty lethal out of the pen in October, at the very least.

[SuperKevin]

I'm excited about the Smoltz signing for the Sox. Very low risk, high reward. He won't come in until late in the season and he could be pretty lethal out of the pen in October, at the very least.

The Red Sox have like 8-9 starters right now if you include young players like Bucholz.

[BigDawg819]

Can't have a page without some Orioles love, somebody has too......

Matt Wieters in 09! :D

There a positive ;)

[SuperKevin]

Can't have a page without some Orioles love, somebody has too......

Matt Wieters in 09! :D

There a positive ;)

Don't forget your big FA signing of some 32 year old Japanese starter who wasn't even that good in Japan last year.

[Brodeur]

T2FL had like 500 posts of just useless stats and another 200 of saying ******* Edwin Jackson!

They aren't useless stats.

And holy crap a play where Luis Sojo is not worthless.

[ElectricEye]

The Red Sox have like 8-9 starters right now if you include young players like Bucholz.

Yeah. We are collecting them. Ideally, I think the rotation ends up being like this.

1. Beckett
2. Lester
3. Daisuke
4. Buchholz/Masterson
5. Penny

I'm not sure where that would put Wakefield. He would probably end up retiring or taking a rather long DL stint in that scenario. There's doubts about three of those guys, so I doubt the Red Sox finally let him retire. Hopefully, this all works out and everybody stays healthy and we don't even need Smotlz to start. I think he would be much more valuable for us solidifying our bullpen.

[SuperKevin]

Yeah. We are collecting them. Ideally, I think the rotation ends up being like this.

1. Beckett
2. Lester
3. Daisuke
4. Buchholz/Masterson
5. Penny

I'm not sure where that would put Wakefield. He would probably end up retiring or taking a rather long DL stint in that scenario. There's doubts about three of those guys, so I doubt the Red Sox finally let him retire. Hopefully, this all works out and everybody stays healthy and we don't even need Smotlz to start. I think he would be much more valuable for us solidifying our bullpen.

You'd think Smoltz signed with the intentions of joining the rotation though because he's surely not going to unseat Papelbon as the closer and has no reason to be a 41 year old set up man.

[Jughead10]

They aren't useless stats.

And holy crap a play where Luis Sojo is not worthless.

What is this you speak of?

[regoob2]

This is the Cubs year!!!!

[drowe]

gah.

first eric gagne. now trevor hoffman. i guess milwaukee is just a retirement community for aging closers.

i feel a jeff reardon signing is imminent.

[ElectricEye]

You'd think Smoltz signed with the intentions of joining the rotation though because he's surely not going to unseat Papelbon as the closer and has no reason to be a 41 year old set up man.

He probably did. He still has a rather large chance of getting into the rotation though. I hope he doesn't. I think we can get a lot more out of him in the pen. Certainly wouldn't complain if somebody broke down around October though. He's money in the playoffs.

[SuperKevin]

gah.

first eric gagne. now trevor hoffman. i guess milwaukee is just a retirement community for aging closers.

i feel a jeff reardon signing is imminent.

Maybe John Wetteland and his dirty ass hat can be coaxed into unretiring

[Brodeur]

What is this you speak of?

He had a hit in the Angels/Mariners one game playoff and I saw this during the 1995 season recap here on the MLB network. I was shocked.

[BigDawg819]

Don't forget your big FA signing of some 32 year old Japanese starter who wasn't even that good in Japan last year.


Anyone is better then Danys Baez!

[awfullyquiet]

They aren't useless stats.


Says who?

By the way. BJ Upton was signed to the largest signing bonus by a draftee 3 years ago. Do you know what that means? He is still ridiculously underpaid.

[Jughead10]

He had a hit in the Angels/Mariners one game playoff and I saw this during the 1995 season recap here on the MLB network. I was shocked.

Luis Sojo had a bunch of clutch bloop hits for the Yankees. Fans in NY love him.

[Borat]

He had a hit in the Angels/Mariners one game playoff and I saw this during the 1995 season recap here on the MLB network. I was shocked.

I was wondering what the hell you were talking about as well. You were having a gameday thread all by yourself for a game from a decade ago.

[SuperKevin]

Luis Sojo was pudgy

[Brodeur]

I was wondering what the hell you were talking about as well. You were having a gameday thread all by yourself for a game from a decade ago.

Well the MLB network won't stop showing the World Series from this year so I better make do.

And Luis Sojo still sucks.

[Jughead10]

Well the MLB network won't stop showing the World Series from this year so I better make do.

And Luis Sojo still sucks.

Overall he does. Although just a utility infielder. But he had knack for getting cheap hits in big spots. Also the Venezuelan players love him. He'll be on a major league staff again sooner than later.

[Giantsfan1080]

Overall he does. Although just a utility infielder. But he had knack for getting cheap hits in big spots. Also the Venezuelan players love him. He'll be on a major league staff again sooner than later.

This is true. The big Venezuelan players weren't going to play in the WBC unless Sojo was their manager.

[Giantsfan1080]

Since this is a new thread.

Let's Go Mets!!!!!!!

[AlexDown]

Since this is a new thread.

Let's Go Mets!!!!!!!

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/mrmets.jpg

[SuperKevin]

http://www.hollywoodcollectibles.com/autographed/memorabilia/sports/collectibles/authentic/Baseball/8x10%20Photos/John_Franco_Photo_MID.jpg

John Franco!

[Vikes99ej]

Have the Twins traded Delmon Young yet??

[Borat]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i114/zellyanks91/TTMs-%20NFT/Cards/bonilla09475906408946.jpg

"Make your move"

[Brodeur]

Stupid Harold Reynolds. Pujols is way better than Eddie Murray ever was.

[Sniper]

Stupid Harold Reynolds. Pujols is way better than Eddie Murray ever was.

No one ever accused Harold Reynolds of being intelligent.

[Hines]

Here's to another lonnnnnggg season in Pittsburgh. Oh god.

[EvilMonkey]

a MLB thread is not complete until a Uecker appearance
http://www.vintagecardtraders.com/virtual/64topps/64topps-543.jpg

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/images/05/29/uecker_clicks.jpg

http://images.sportsbybrooks.com/e/6/e6c468441f2eaa59d19781dc585f0141_uecker.PNG

[SuperKevin]

That third photo is mildly creepy

[EvilMonkey]

That third photo is mildly creepy

mildly???

i was going for "shockingly"

[SuperKevin]

mildly???

i was going for "shockingly"

It's Bob Uecker. His awesomness balances out most of the creepy

[djp]

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-3768550dt.jpg

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Hoffman has been declining since 2004, was worth about 4 million last year, and the brewers decide to give him 6 million?

[Vikes99ej]

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-3768550dt.jpg

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DJ, this is the 2009 MLB Thread, not the 2010 one.

[BigDawg819]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/gregg_olson_autograph.jpg

Wild Thing!

[bored of education]

That third picture of Uecker looks like me in 4 years :/ and I'm only 26 ;/

[ATLDirtyBirds]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAHJ103_8x10~Jose-Reyes-And-David-Wright-Posters.jpg

[iowatreat54]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAHJ103_8x10~Jose-Reyes-And-David-Wright-Posters.jpg

Come on at least post a picture from the past year, or them doing a choking symbol.

[Brodeur]

Come on at least post a picture from the past year, or them doing a choking symbol.

David Wright does not choke.

[EvilMonkey]

http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/rob-deer.jpg

[NYGibril28]

possibly the greatest Met in the last 15 years...

http://www.instantreplaysportcard.com/items/8x10s/benny%20agbayani.jpg

Benny Agbayani!

[iowatreat54]

http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/rob-deer.jpg

was this the year they didn't make the playoffs again? ;)

[Im_a_Romosexual]

New thread!
http://baseballmastermind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/papelbon.jpg
Go Sox!!!!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Come on at least post a picture from the past year, or them doing a choking symbol.


Maybe I can assemble a Fail Forever one for the Cubs.

[Sniper]

Come on at least post a picture from the past year

http://media.philly.com/images/hamels1.jpg

NJA6JZ_TKaw

NSFW...language.

[iowatreat54]

Maybe I can assemble a Fail Forever one for the Cubs.

Indeed you could. Doesn't take away that the Mets had an epic fail this past season. ;)

(Note: Cubs were a close 2nd place.)

[Bruce Banner]

Not only is Albert Pujols the best player in baseball......

http://blockbusterblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/puj.jpg


He is down.........with the downsies.

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/images/2006/08/14/BytcTeCw.jpg

[ATLDirtyBirds]

http://media.philly.com/images/hamels1.jpg

NJA6JZ_TKaw

NSFW...language.

You are trying to get me banned again aren't you?

[SuperKevin]

Hamels was named San Diego Sportsman of the year. I nearly burned down the 7-11 when I saw that. The only thing stopping me was my inability to ciphon gasoline properly

[T-RICH49]

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2007/12/11/LCBxUJ8Q.jpg

fear the Mexicutioner

[Brodeur]

http://www.shp.org/Home/Prep_Life/Athletics/Spring/Spring07/Spring07-media3/21-porcello325.jpg

PRODIGY!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://the6-4-3.mlblogs.com/sonny_21695a.jpg

Better than Dice-K.

[Brodeur]

http://the6-4-3.mlblogs.com/sonny_21695a.jpg

Better than Dice-K.

Should have traded him for Joyce so the Rays can have Edwin Jackson and his awesome stuff on the staff.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Aww what a shame, we lost out on Hoffman.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Should have traded him for Joyce so the Rays can have Edwin Jackson and his awesome stuff on the staff.

Noooo, Porcello needs a mentor with awesome stuff.

[Don Vito]

Can't wait to see the Pride of Rhode Island Rocco Baldelli on the Sox! If only he could stay healthy he would be an instant fan favorite along with Smoltzy.

[Brodeur]

Aww what a shame, we lost out on Hoffman.

Hong-Chih Kuo is a monster of awesome, so they don't need Trevor.

[Wooty Magic!]

http://blueworkhorse.com/wp-content/gallery/miscellaneous/indians_lee_baseball.jpg

Oh yes!!

[princefielder28]

http://blueworkhorse.com/wp-content/gallery/miscellaneous/indians_lee_baseball.jpg

Oh yes, he will fall back to reality!!

Agree 100%

[TheBuffaloBills]

Looks like the Brewers are my new favorite team. I have been a Padres fan for awhile, but since Trev is a Brewer, I guess I will be a fan too.

[Vikes99ej]

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2008/03/10/K4HXcGcU.jpg

Let's get Denarded.

[themaninblack]

http://omgreds.com/uploaded_images/vottoTime-733528.jpg
Geovany Soto can suck one.

GO REDS!

[mqtirishfan]

Says who?


Anyone who doesn't have time to watch every single game each season.

[mqtirishfan]

http://www.sportsgrumblings.com/baseball/articles/content_images/JasonHeyward415x266.jpg

[Borat]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n53/hudnall16/TimLincecum-1.jpg

[Bruce Banner]

This thread is already suck.

and I thought we were waiting until spring training.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

This thread is already suck.

and I thought we were waiting until spring training.

This thread needs more Baldelli hate.

[619]

This thread is already suck.

and I thought we were waiting until spring training.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2007/03/08/DTbquNbe.jpg

Suck this. :)

And BEWARE!

[Borat]

This thread is already suck.



Well, your posting of kids with down syndrome didn't exactly do much for the sake of this thread. Just sayin ...

[Giantsfan1080]

I say we get all the homerism out of the way before tomorrow.

[Bruce Banner]

Well, your posting of kids with down syndrome didn't exactly do much for the sake of this thread. Just sayin ...

I am WELL aware.

http://kids.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/NGKids/Image/downsyndrome-melissainpink-lg.jpg

[Brodeur]

This thread needs more Baldelli hate.

He accepted the best offer, deal. And the AL East is going to be probably the most competitive division in a long time this year.

[bsaza2358]

I have to say, the first year of the Phillies' 5 year happiness/no whining window is going swimmingly...

[Tampa 2 4 life]

He accepted the best offer, deal. And the AL East is going to be probably the most competitive division in a long time this year.

The 75 games he'll play will be mediocre.

[Brodeur]

I have to say, the first year of the Phillies' 5 year happiness/no whining window is going swimmingly...

**** happens when your GM makes a mindnumbingly stupid decision.

[fischbowl]

http://www.tireball.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/Sidney-Ponson-Photograph-C10125442.jpeg

Thread. Made.

[Jughead10]

http://www.yankeessuck.com/blog/archives/images/evilempire2.jpg

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/files/2009/01/tex-swings-382x450.jpg

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/files/2008/12/both-of-them.jpg

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/files/2008/12/bothandhal-300x450.jpg

[ATLDirtyBirds]

http://refrigeratorlogic.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/random_key_26767_file_78969401_johan_santana.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/delmavillanueva/CarlosBeltranWallpaper-1-1.jpg

http://www.minorleaguenews.com/graphics/baseball/Graphics/2006/08/15/FAB50/thumbs/12MikePelfrey.jpg

[SuperKevin]

http://www.hotfootblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/keithcig.jpg

Keith Hernandez:The reason why teen smoking increased 38%* during the 1980s

*May not be accurate

[Hines]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/futuresteeler86/andrewmccutchen.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/futuresteeler86/josetabata.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/futuresteeler86/pedroalvarez.jpg


<3333333333333

[ATLDirtyBirds]

http://web.sny.tv/images/2008/03/06/FIc2qZfV.jpg

Best crew ever.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

BREAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dodgers still want manny!!!!!!!!!!

What a shocking development.

[Borat]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02JhctM1tx6gD/610x.jpg

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02JhctM1tx6gD/610x.jpg

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Stop the pictures, nobody can beat this.

[Hines]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02JhctM1tx6gD/610x.jpg

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

At least you didn't sign Raul Mondesi and Derrick Bell.

[SuperKevin]

At least you didn't sign Raul Mondesi and Derrick Bell.

You were like 7 when that happened so shut up

[iowatreat54]

Hey Hines

http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/aramis-ramirez-bow.jpg

[Borat]

Hey Iowa ...

http://www.lsgvintagebaseballcards.com/cardimages/387_Lou_Brock_2_f.jpg

OK, this game could get real nasty.

[Hines]

You were like 7 when that happened so shut up

Are you ******* serious right now? What was that, like 5 years ago?

Bell was signed in 2002, I was 12.

Mondesi was signed in 2004, I was almost 14.

[Hines]

Hey Hines

http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/aramis-ramirez-bow.jpg

I would say something, but I would end up getting banned.

I hate you right now.

[Brodeur]

Hey Hines

http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/aramis-ramirez-bow.jpg

http://i16.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/82/72/ca45_1_b.JPG

FOR JUAN PIERRE.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Let's rename this thread into "The Lame-Ass MLB picture thread."

[Borat]

This guy:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh80/joesttmandipautographs/FanFest08/JoeNathan.jpg

+

this guy:

http://www.freewebs.com/dscards/FranciscoLirianoIP.jpg

+

this guy:

http://www.minorleaguenews.com/graphics/baseball/Graphics/2005/08/FAB50/playertops/49Bonser.jpg

=

One year of this guy:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0610/gallery.memorable.brawls3/images/017050019.jpg

DAMN! The Giants are easy to make fun of. I'm envious of you guys. :)

[iowatreat54]

I laugh whenever a White Sox fan tells me "they never hated AJ," or they don't remember that he played for the Twins. They think his career started for them, and that he isn't "that bad" of a guy.

Oh, and that's the only good thing Michael Barrett has ever done.

[dabears10]

I laugh whenever a White Sox fan tells me "they never hated AJ," or they don't remember that he played for the Twins. They think his career started for them, and that he isn't "that bad" of a guy.

Oh, and that's the only good thing Michael Barrett has ever done.

http://coreybrock.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/holliday.jpg

[EvilMonkey]

Pure Power
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/sac1129/MattStairs.jpg

aka Rob Deer Jr.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

1. Twins - Joe Mauer
2. Cubs - Mark Prior
3. Rays - http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u45/wsbgmpics/sp_padres.jpg
4. Phillies - Gavin Floyd
5. Rangers - Mark Texeira

[SuperKevin]

At this rate the 2009 MLB thread will probably pass the post count of 2008 by April........and there will only be about 7 really relevant baseball posts

[Im_a_Romosexual]

http://coreybrock.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/holliday.jpg

He still hasn't touched home plate

[619]

This thread was created way too premature. Baseball fever just hasn't hit yet.

[Brodeur]

At this rate the 2009 MLB thread will probably pass the post count of 2008 by April........and there will only be about 7 really relevant baseball posts

You have the most posts in this thread.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You have the most posts in this thread.

WoW is affecting the logic portion of his brain.

[fischbowl]

I'll be starting prospect lists soon

[Giantsfan1080]

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/images/2006/05/06/QwICd2TT.jpg

for

http://www.stripes.com/06/jul06/nationals/nationals32.jpg

I'm still haunted in my nightmares about this.

[Stash]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8848/giambiwo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Looks like it's Miller Time

[Turtlepower]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8848/giambiwo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Looks like it's Miller Time

I think you mean Whiskey Time!!!

http://sportscracklepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/jason-giambi.jpg

[SuperKevin]

You have the most posts in this thread.

I know I do. I wasn't saying it to knock anybody. I was just amazed that how fast the thread is growing despite being little going on in baseball right now

[Forenci]

Ugh, why did you have to open the thread Sniper? Now people will be afraid to post here in fear of you attacking their grammar abilities, or lack thereof.

Just kidding!

Here's to (hopefully) a great new season. Hopefully one that excludes another Mets choke job.

[Bruce Banner]

fun fact.

16,000 players in the BRDB and 18 have played 20 years with the same club. (.0003%)

[SuperKevin]

fun fact.

16,000 players in the BRDB and 18 have played 20 years with the same club. (.0003%)

Welcome to the era of Free Agency.

[Xiomera]

I calling it right now . . . the Tigers will finish ahead of the Royals!

High fives all around!

[SuperKevin]

I calling it right now . . . the Tigers will finish ahead of the Royals!

Way to reach for the stars

[Xiomera]

Way to reach for the stars

Joel Zumaya wanted to reach farther but then a box in his attic fell on his shoulder and knocked him out for half the season again.

[Wooty Magic!]

http://www.fantasysportstrades.com/wp-content/themes/WP-MagTheme10-Basic/images/greinke.jpg>>>>> Tigers

[T-RICH49]

http://www.fantasysportstrades.com/wp-content/themes/WP-MagTheme10-Basic/images/greinke.jpg>>>>> Tigers



Greinke knows all and owns all.

[T-RICH49]

Royals signed Willie Bloomquist....CHAMPIONSHIP!!

[DHVF]

http://www.fantasysportstrades.com/wp-content/themes/WP-MagTheme10-Basic/images/greinke.jpg>>>>> Tigers
Everybody knows that Greinke's just a little *****.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/images/2006/05/06/QwICd2TT.jpg

for

http://www.stripes.com/06/jul06/nationals/nationals32.jpg

I'm still haunted in my nightmares about this.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1010/kazmirsmoke.jpg


Oh Victor Zambrano, that random ass 11k game you had really made you valuable to the mets, you glorious bastard.

[T-RICH49]

Everybody knows that Greinke's just a little *****.

oh now you've gone and done it now.Greinke is MLB's version of Chuck Norris....insult him and pay the price

[Tampa 2 4 life]

oh now you've gone and done it now.Greinke is MLB's version of Chuck Norris....insult him and pay the price

...Right after he has a good cry.

[Bruce Banner]

...Right after he has a good cry.

Better than saying that his team will continue to ball on budget even though he will one day leave his team for financial reasons.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

oh now you've gone and done it now.Greinke is MLB's version of Chuck Norris....insult him and pay the price


Would this before or after he curls into the fetal position?

[Wooty Magic!]

http://stateoftheart.popphoto.com/blog/images/2007/10/01/picture_3.png

[T-RICH49]

...Right after he has a good cry.

making light of his PAST personal issues....nice

[Bruce Banner]

making light of his PAST personal issues....nice

First getting pissed at a player becoming a "traitor" even though he thinks he will play "mediocre"....now this!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

First getting pissed at a player becoming a "traitor" even though he thinks he will play "mediocre"....now this!

You're annoying.

[SuperKevin]

Which hat do you think Rickey Henderson will wear into the Hall of Fame? I heard that Independent team offered him like 2 million to wear their hat.

[Bruce Banner]

You're annoying.

It only took you 36 minutes after your neg rep.

http://i.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0803/mlb.draft.class.2005/images/justin-upton.jpg

Look at the mariotti!

Then look at the Upton.

[iowatreat54]

Which hat do you think Rickey Henderson will wear into the Hall of Fame? I heard that Independent team offered him like 2 million to wear their hat.

I would think he won't wear any team's hat. But if I had to guess, I would say A's.

[SuperKevin]

I would think he won't wear any team's hat. But if I had to guess, I would say A's.

He has to wear a hatt for the plaque

[iowatreat54]

He has to wear a hatt for the plaque

I meant any 1 team's hat. Like wear an independent hat or something. Otherwise, my money is on Oakland.

[Bruce Banner]

The Orioles have Edmonds on the radar as a first base candidate.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

[SuperKevin]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Wow. Always nice to see the Orioles involved in rumors but I didn't know Jim Edmonds could play 1st base.

[Borat]

I think the HOF decides which hat the players wear. The players used to choose, but then Tampa Bay tried to pay Wade Boggs to wear their gear into the Hall and the HOF decided they would have the final say from now on. I'm pretty sure he'll go in with an "A" on his dome.

But I'm sure he'll have some clever hat that says "Ricky" across the top since he's more important than any team anyway.

[mqtirishfan]

Jim Edmonds at 1B is interesting at best.

[iowatreat54]

Wow. Always nice to see the Orioles involved in rumors but I didn't know Jim Edmonds could play 1st base.

He will back up off the base on routine grounders, and when other infielders throw him the ball, he will run up and dive to catch and tag the base. It's the only way he knows how to play defense.

[bearsfan_51]

I bet Ricky Henderson goes in with a picture of himself on his hat.

[SuperKevin]

I hope Ken Griffey Jr eventually goes in with his hat on backwards

[Borat]

Steve Garvey went in with a "Jimmi Hat" on

[iowatreat54]

I hope Ken Griffey Jr eventually goes in with his hat on backwards

He has to, I won't accept it as a legitimate induction otherwise.

[Giantsfan1080]

Is Mike Piazza going to go in as a Dodger or Met? I know I'm about 4 years off on this one but curious to see what everyone thinks.

[SuperKevin]

Is Mike Piazza going to go in as a Dodger or Met? I know I'm about 4 years off on this one but curious to see what everyone thinks.

Neither. He's a Florida Marlin.

In all seriousness I think he goes in as a Met.

[Giantsfan1080]

Mets signed Tim Redding for 1 year $2.2 million. He's going to be our 5th starter pushing Niese back to AAA for a while. Another solid move by Omar this offseason.

[SuperKevin]

Mets signed Tim Redding for 1 year $2.2 million. He's going to be our 5th starter pushing Niese back to AAA for a while. Another solid move by Omar this offseason.

I like it. At worst he moves into the LR role when we're ready to bring Niese back up

[Giantsfan1080]

I like it. At worst he moves into the LR role when we're ready to bring Niese back up

Yeah exactly. We don't know what we're going to get out of Stokes so that's a big possibility. We still need Lowe in here now and then we have some depth going.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Yeah exactly. We don't know what we're going to get out of Stokes so that's a big possibility. We still need Lowe in here now and then we have some depth going.

Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

[Bruce Banner]

Lowe=real deal going forward. Age doesn't matter at this point. He hasn't missed a start since he became a starter.

last four seasons
GB% 63.7/67.0/65.0/60.3
HR/9: 1.15/0.60/0.94/0.64
BB/9: 2.3/2.3/2.8/2.0
K/9: 6.0/5.2/6.9/6.7

yeah. sign him cards.

wins in the 80s are worth more than wins in the 50s, 90s, or 100s.

Get it DONE.

[Giantsfan1080]

Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

He did well with the Mets last year for what we asked him to do.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Tim Redding will lead us to the championship.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Tim Redding will lead us to the championship.

Redding is probably a slightly below average pitcher, but for 2.5 million average is good. Average is good anyway, of course.

[Brodeur]

oh now you've gone and done it now.Greinke is MLB's version of Chuck Norris....insult him and pay the price

Greinke laughs at Chuck Norris and his failures.

[sbh15]

Do you guys think the Penny/Smoltz signings are good signings by Boston?

[Bruce Banner]

Do you guys think the Penny/Smoltz signings are good signings by Boston?

Smoltz is very eh to me because of the timetable I'm going off of but........

They aren't depending on these two guys panning out to make them compete. They WILL make the playoffs (IMO). This would simply be a bonus.

Good moves imo.

[M.O.T.H.]

Havent posted in a while but anyway, this Smoltz development makes me sick.

In other news, the Braves have emerged as the likely destination and are very close to signing 33 year old, Kenshin Kawakami. Pretty much the only thing I like about Wren thus far, his interest in the foreign market.

Here's hoping we get Lowe too.

Lowe
Vasquez
Jurrjens
Kawakami
Hanson

W/ Huddy being a late season return from Tommy John.

An interesting change there...Jair will more than likely be the only returning starter.

[Brodeur]

Do you guys think the Penny/Smoltz signings are good signings by Boston?

I think they're great signings because they're both 1 year deals and both are very capable of having great years (and if they have bad years, who cares).

[sbh15]

I think they're great signings because they're both 1 year deals and both are very capable of having great years (and if they have bad years, who cares).

Yeah that's what I was thinking too. ++ to you and BB. This is what impresses me about Theo. He watches himself get outbid on Tex, CC, and Burnett, but doesn't panic, goes out and makes two signings that could boom and if they bust, the guys are gone after the year.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I think we haven't touched on the fact that between Farnsworth, Willie Ballgame, Mike Jacobs, and Horacio Ramirez, the Royals have 4 players for 17 million dollars(Not pesos) that are approximately 1 win better than 4 replacement players. Dayton Moore is the new Chuck LaMar, and I am so sorry Royals fans.

[Bruce Banner]

I think we haven't touched on the fact that between Farnsworth, Willie Ballgame, Mike Jacobs, and Horacio Ramirez, the Royals have 4 players for 17 million dollars(Not pesos) that are approximately 1 win better than 4 replacement players. Dayton Moore is the new Chuck LaMar, and I am so sorry Royals fans.

http://reid.mlblogs.com/scoreboard_26_6/images/lg_fight_ap.jpg

I would go to games just to see Farnsworth.

[Borat]

Ahahahaha. Stupid Dodgers. Stupid McCourts. I love it though.

Where Manny's money went (http://www.sportshubla.com/2009/01/03/dodgers-hit-a-home-run-in-real-estate/)

So now we know where Manny’s money went. To a new beachfront home in Malibu for Jamie McCourt. Wait, not one home.

Two of them, side by side.

For $46 million dollars.

Who can afford Manny or a pitcher like C.C. Sabathia when you’re writing fat 8-figure checks to Coldwell Banker? If you’re a Dodger player, you’ll never get a max contract here because Jamie already has one with Remax.

[Brodeur]

And The Red Sox sign Saito to a cheap one year deal. Christ they are doing a fantastic job this week.

[Bruce Banner]

And The Red Sox sign Saito to a cheap one year deal. Christ they are doing a fantastic job this week.

Now all they need is Nicholson. They were once a dynamic duo.


(anyone?)

[Xiomera]

And The Red Sox sign Saito to a cheap one year deal. Christ they are doing a fantastic job this week.

WTF!? Saito was a Free Agent?

I hate you Dombrowski.

[bearsfan_51]

Any bets on guys who make it in the HOF besides Ricky Henderson?

I'm actually in the anti-Jim Rice camp, but I've always been very harsh in my HOF selections.

I would like to see Tim Raines get in at some point. Raines was the man earlier in his career, and made a nice 20 years out of it. Probably won't get in the same year as Ricky though, as he is a lesser version of him in many ways (plus he only got 25% last year)

[Bruce Banner]

McGwire, Trammell, Henderson, Blyleven should get in.

Add Raines to that.

Hell, I'd consider Lee Smith and Andre Dawson (**** turf, seriously).

But no to Rice.

[iowatreat54]

I really doubt McGwire gets in.

[Bruce Banner]

I really doubt McGwire gets in.

I rephrased my post. Sorry.

[iowatreat54]

I rephrased my post. Sorry.

I figured, but need to comment on it any way. I agree with those 4 though, as who should. I'm really terrible because I'd want a ton of people to get in because they were all good, but idk where to draw the line.

[yo123]

Any bets on guys who make it in the HOF besides Ricky Henderson?

I'm actually in the anti-Jim Rice camp, but I've always been very harsh in my HOF selections.

I would like to see Tim Raines get in at some point. Raines was the man earlier in his career, and made a nice 20 years out of it. Probably won't get in the same year as Ricky though, as he is a lesser version of him in many ways (plus he only got 25% last year)


I don't think any one else really deserves it, obviously as a Twins fan I would love to see Blyleven get in but I have my doubts about that happening.

I don't think Rice and Dawson are all that close to deserving to be honest. Especially Dawson.

[Brodeur]

McGwire, Trammell, Henderson, Blyleven should get in.

Raines..............AH! This is difficult.

I agree, but I would put Raines in.

[Zyro_1014]

I really doubt McGwire gets in.

i sure hope not.

[Bruce Banner]

I wish Dawson didn't get destroyed by turf.

[Xiomera]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about the Baseball Hall of Fame?

[bearsfan_51]

I'm very close on Trammell and Blyleven actually, particularly Blyleven. Too many people are scared off by his W/L record, but he was very solid for a long career. Trammell is more borderline to me. Was he ever close to the best at his position? I would say no, but he did have a solid career.

[Bruce Banner]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about the Baseball Hall of Fame?

I didn't, for a while.

I agree, but I would put Raines in.

I reconsidered.

[bearsfan_51]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about the Baseball Hall of Fame?
My Mom doesn't seem that interested.

[Brodeur]

I wish Dawson didn't get destroyed by turf.

I fear that career .323 OBP.

And yes you are Xio.

[iowatreat54]

If McGwire were to get in, it would only be because of his ability to hit HRs. If he get's in, I would be very disappointed if Dawson did not also get in. Also, if Mattingly gets in before Dawson I will blow up the city of New York.

[Bruce Banner]

If McGwire were to get in, it would only be because of his ability to hit HRs.

I laugh at you!

:D

I fear that career .323 OBP.


My face after seeing this number.

http://mocoloco.com/art/upload/2007/10/wince/greenberg_wince_oct07.jpg

[bearsfan_51]

Timothy Raines (born September 16, 1959 in Sanford, Florida), nicknamed "Rock",[1] is a former left fielder in Major League Baseball who played for six teams from 1979 to 2002 and was best known for his 13 seasons with the Montreal Expos. Regarded as one of the top leadoff hitters[2][3][4] and baserunners in the sport's history, Raines stole at least 70 bases in each of his first six full seasons (1981–1986), leading the National League in stolen bases each season from 1981 to 1984, with a career high of 90 steals in 1983. Raines also led the NL in runs scored twice (1983 and 1987). Raines batted over .300 in five full seasons and over .320 from 1985 to 1987, winning the 1986 NL batting title with a .334 average. He also had six full seasons with an on base percentage above .390.

With 808 steals in his career, Raines has the fourth-highest total in major league history, behind Rickey Henderson, Lou Brock and Ty Cobb.[5] Until 2008,[6] his career stolen base percentage (84.7%) was the highest in MLB history for players with 300 or more attempts[7] and he was successful on 40 consecutive steal attempts between July 1993 and August 1995, setting an American League record at the time (the record was broken by Ichiro Suzuki in May 2007, when he completed 45 consecutive steals).

Among switch hitters, Raines ranks sixth in career hits (2,605), fourth in runs (1,571), walks (1,330) and times on base (3,977), fifth in plate appearances (10,359), seventh in singles (1,892), doubles (430), total bases (3,771) and at bats (8,872), eighth in triples (113) and tenth in extra base hits (713). He holds Expos/Washington Nationals franchise records for career runs (947), steals (635), singles (1,163), triples (82) and walks (793), and was the seventh player whose career began after 1945 to retire with over 1,500 runs and 100 triples.[8] His 1,966 games in left field ranked seventh in major league history when he retired

I really think Raines is hurt by the fact that there's no longer a team in Montreal, and when there was nobody watched them. Plus his nickname is Rock, well before that lame guy with the eyebrow stole it.

[Brodeur]

If McGwire were to get in, it would only be because of his ability to hit HRs. If he get's in, I would be very disappointed if Dawson did not also get in. Also, if Mattingly gets in before Dawson I will blow up the city of New York.

Career OBP's:
McGwire: .394
Dawson: .323

He was so much better than Dawson ever was it's ridiculous. And Trammel was a fantastic defensive shortstop with good offensive skills, so he definitely deserves it (more than Omar Vizquel ever does at least).

[Xiomera]

I fear that career .323 OBP.

And yes you are Xio.

I just think it's gotten a bit watered down, and yet there's a couple guys who've been left out that I just can't understand.

For instance, why isn't Bobby Higginson in the Hall? Laughable . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[bearsfan_51]

Omar Vizquel is the greatest shortstop in the history of baseball.

*covers ears*

[iowatreat54]

Career OBP's:
McGwire: .394
Dawson: .323

He was so much better than Dawson ever was it's ridiculous. And Trammel was a fantastic defensive shortstop with good offensive skills, so he definitely deserves it (more than Omar Vizquel ever does at least).

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like ever. I meant this year. Because there is absolutely no way McGwire should get in this year when factoring in off the field things.

[Brodeur]

Omar Vizquel is the greatest shortstop in the history of baseball.

*covers ears*

Well the best shortstop of all time is still playing (or would have been the best of all time if it wasn't for a certain selfish prick), so you got that part down.

[bearsfan_51]

I'll probably get flamed for this, but you could make a case against Mark McGwire even without the steroids stuff. He was a one-dimensional player throughout much of his career, and wasn't much of a defender at first base. Other first baseman like Jeff Bagwell and Frank Thomas have had better careers.

[iowatreat54]

I also can't wait to hear Joe Morgan talk about how much better he is than anyone who has ever lived, and how no players from since he retired ever deserve to be in the HoF.

That man is such a joke. Great player, but such a joke of a person.

[Brodeur]

I'll probably get flamed for this, but you could make a case against Mark McGwire even without the steroids stuff. He was a one-dimensional player throughout much of his career, and wasn't much of a defender at first base. Other first baseman like Jeff Bagwell and Frank Thomas have had better careers.

One dimensional how? He was a tremendous offensive player and deserves to be in the hall for it.

[Bruce Banner]

Jeff Bagwell

Just have to confirm....everyone knows that Bagwell was one of the biggest roiders evar, right?

/OT post

[iowatreat54]

Just have to confirm....everyone knows that Bagwell was one of the biggest roiders evar, right?

Meh, Conseco and Bonds are bigger.

I think BF51 meant comparing the players not considering roids.

[Brodeur]

Meh, Conseco and Bonds are bigger.

I think BF51 meant comparing the players not considering roids.

Not really. Bonds was a top 20 player ever prior to roiding, and Bagwell, not so much.

[Bruce Banner]

Yah, Bonds was god before roids.

I just hate him because of the MVP(s) he stole from Pujols, but he was still god.

[iowatreat54]

Not really. Bonds was a top 20 player ever prior to roiding, and Bagwell, not so much.

I meant bigger as in visually and using. Not how much it improved them. And he was on pace to be a top 20 player, not was one before he started imo.

[bearsfan_51]

Right, I'm throwing steroids out across the board in my comparison. I think Bagwell had a better career than McGwire without steroids in the equation.

Personally I would vote McGwire in. If you don't fail a drug test when you are playing you should not have that count against you. What I'm saying is that as a total package I never considered Mark McGwire an elite baseball player. But I like defense and baserunning and stuff like that too.

[Bruce Banner]

Visually?

Bagwell a year after getting off of roids.

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/bagwell0224.jpg

[bearsfan_51]

Obviously he got a bowflex.

[Bruce Banner]

His shirt is only 5 sizes too big now.

[iowatreat54]

Visually?

Bagwell a year after getting off of roids.

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/bagwell0224.jpg

lol I'm really bad at speaking/typing tonight.

Visually as in image and perception. I misinterpreted your statement.

[Brodeur]

Right, I'm throwing steroids out across the board in my comparison. I think Bagwell had a better career than McGwire without steroids in the equation.

Personally I would vote McGwire in. If you don't fail a drug test when you are playing you should not have that count against you. What I'm saying is that as a total package I never considered Mark McGwire an elite baseball player. But I like defense and baserunning and stuff like that too.

It's not like Bagwell was Pujols at 1st base or had any real speed ever.

[iowatreat54]

It's not like Bagwell is Pujols at 1st base.

No, but statistically Bagwell is more impressive or at least equal in most all categories outside HRs.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

No, but statistically Bagwell is more impressive or at least equal in most all categories outside HRs.

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/547_1008559_1B_aseason_full_1_20080930.png

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/547_1008559_1B_aseason_full_2_20080930.png

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/547_1008559_1B_aseason_full_8_20080930.png

Highly debatable.

[yo123]

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/547_1008559_1B_aseason_full_1_20080930.png

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/547_1008559_1B_aseason_full_2_20080930.png

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/547_1008559_1B_aseason_full_8_20080930.png

Highly debatable.


What's the blue? Average?

[Im_a_Romosexual]

looks like Bags had a HUGE year @ 26

Edit: it was the strike year, but he still put up .368/39/116
in 110 games

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bagweje01.shtml

[iowatreat54]

well, those are 3 averages. Bagwell was overall a more complete hitter, better baserunner (although he wasn't great by any means) and at the very least equal in fielding. All around, Bagwell > McGwire.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

What's the blue? Average?

Yeah, league average.

[bearsfan_51]

Amazing. McGwire only seemed to get better with age. It's as if he defied the laws of nature...

[VoteLynnSwan]

Amazing. McGwire only seemed to get better with age. It's as if he defied the laws of nature...

I wanna see Bonds' charts... clearly Bond found the fountain of youth.

[yodapoop]

2009 is going to be the year of the Cardinals (in football and baseball).

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I wanna see Bonds' charts... clearly Bond found the fountain of youth.

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/1109_OF_season_full_8_20080930.png

Basically, he went from HoFer to top 5 player all time.

[M.O.T.H.]

Braves did sign Kawakami. Not the youngest but, I'm glad we finally dipped into the market.

[Brodeur]

If anyone trades ANYTHING for Michael Young I will lose faith in baseball general managers.

[regoob2]

Visually?

Bagwell a year after getting off of roids.

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/bagwell0224.jpgwow, that is crazy. I bet that shirt used to be snug on him.

[ElectricEye]

Jim Rice and Ricky Henderson just got into the Hall. I'm content.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Henderson and Rice to the HOF

good to see Rice made it

[yodapoop]

Bert Blyleven should be in sometime.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

hmm McGwire got only 23%

I think he should be in soon, but it seems he's too far behind

Edit: And it went down!

[ElectricEye]

21.9 percent of the vote for McGwire. Wow.

[Jughead10]

hmm McGwire got only 23%

I think he should be in soon, but it seems he's too far behind

Edit: And it went down!

Do you have a link to the percentages?

[comahan]

Rice in the hall is a ******* joke

[Im_a_Romosexual]

http://www.baseballwriters.org/awards/HOF/2009_HOF.html

bad background color FYI, they're at the bottom

[iowatreat54]

booo Dawson 67%

wooooooo Gracey with 4%

[SuperKevin]

Mo Vaughn with 6 votes!

[iowatreat54]

I wonder, how 6 people can vote for Mo Vaughn, but not everyone can vote for Rickey Henderson.

[bearsfan_51]

Rock Raines got robbed. Jim Rice is a borderline guy, but a case could be made for him.

[josh07039]

I think Rice would be deserving if his numbers weren't inflated by Fenway. He had some dominant seasons, but the park obviously helped him with that.

[fischbowl]

Rice in the hall is a ******* joke

Yeah someone made a deal with the devil there.

I'm saddened that Bert didn't make the cut, he'll be in next year though. BBWAA is a ******* joke

[Bruce Banner]

Borderline Red Sox getting in, nothing ever changes.

[SuperKevin]

I wonder, how 6 people can vote for Mo Vaughn, but not everyone can vote for Rickey Henderson.

Because Rickey Henderson pissed off a lot of people in the past 28 years

[yodapoop]

Borderline Red Sox getting in, nothing ever changes.

Is everyone who writes and works for ESPN a Red Sox fan or something. No me gusta. That makes me hate the Red Sox, granted beating my Cards in the 04 Series didn't make me happy, but I like the Yankees more than the Red Sox.

[Bruce Banner]

Proof that the HOF is a joke (as if we needed more evidence).

Commentary from a voter.

"He should go, of course, He was a great player. He hit .300, I don't know how many times"

[Giantsfan1080]

The baseball HOF is probably the best and most limited group of the major sports. Say what you want about percentages but as a group they usually get it right.

[Borat]

I was just listening to Rob Dibble on XM and he was just reaming some of the guys in the BBWAA. Rightfully so. Those clowns are WAY to into themselves.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Greg Vaughn did not get a vote :(

[Tampa 2 4 life]

1year/1 mil signs Kapler to the rays.

Edwin Jackson -———> David Price
Trever Miller -————> Joe Nelson
Cliff Floyd -———→ Pat Burrell
Gabe Gross -———→ Matt Joyce
Eric Hinske -————> Gabe Kapler

[SuperKevin]

1year/1 mil signs Kapler to the rays.

Edwin Jackson -———> David Price
Trever Miller -————> Joe Nelson
Cliff Floyd -———→ Pat Burrell
Gabe Gross -———→ Matt Joyce
Eric Hinske -————> Gabe Kapler

Improvements across the board. Good thrifty offseason

[T-RICH49]

I can't wait to hear Rickey's speech.

"Rickey would like to thank Rickey for bestowing this honor upon Rickey."

[Brodeur]

I can't wait to hear Rickey's speech.

"Rickey would like to thank Rickey for bestowing this honor upon Rickey."

Rickey is awesome. Jim Rice making is an absolute joke while guys like McGwire and Raines sit out.

[Bruce Banner]

The baseball HOF is probably the best and most limited group of the major sports. Say what you want about percentages but as a group they usually get it right.

no.




I'm looking at Michael Young's contract numbers.....holy freakin' god the Rangers are in a mess.