Some things never change.

[jballa838]

anyone else hear about the shooting on new years?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/us/09oakland.html
About 120 people were arrested during the violent outburst on Wednesday, which came after a day of demonstrations over the shooting of Oscar Grant III, a 22-year-old butcher’s apprentice who was shot in the back by a transit system police officer while he lay on the platform at the Fruitvale Station of the Bay Area Rapid Transit system. I dont trust the police anymore.

EDIT: By the way, that video actually shows him getting shot in the back.

[The Unseen]

anyone else hear about the shooting on new years?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/us/09oakland.html
I dont trust the police anymore.

EDIT: By the way, that video actually shows him getting shot in the back.

Anymore???

[kwilk103]

in before da lock

[Don Vito]

We really don't know what exactly happened. Police shouldn't have to use their weapon unless they are forced too, and it didn't seem like they or anyone else was being threatened, but this video might not tell the whole story. Still terrible notheless but burning cars in violent riots is no way to resolve things like this, all that will come out of that is getting hurt or arrested.

[CJSchneider]

Not a good video. Sad that it has to happen.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

**** THE POLICE **** **** THE POLICE gotta do it like the NWA

[jballa838]

Anymore???
I was naive before. Just absolutely horrible that it happened and he hope this guys gets tried for murder, because thats what it is.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I've had some pretty scary run-ins with over zealous police officers myself, and it really is getting hard to trust them.

[Hawk]

We really don't know what exactly happened. Police shouldn't have to use their weapon unless they are forced too, and it didn't seem like they or anyone else was being threatened, but this video might not tell the whole story. Still terrible notheless but burning cars in violent riots is no way to resolve things like this, all that will come out of that is getting hurt or arrested.


Regardless of whether or not we know the whole story, by watching the two videos of the shooting we know that the man was lying on his stomach and detained by multiple officers. Then he was shot in the back. There was no reason to use there weapons in that scenario. If he was being resistant then put him in cuffs.

[Jakey]

Wow that is ******* rough. How can anyone justify that???

[MetSox17]

I don't see how anyone can get away with that. We've seen police officers be freed of charges on instances similar to this before, but i don't think there's any way around this one. If this guy gets away without a scratch, i will lose the little faith i have left in the justice system.

[Don Vito]

Regardless of whether or not we know the whole story, by watching the two videos of the shooting we know that the man was lying on his stomach and detained by multiple officers. Then he was shot in the back. There was no reason to use there weapons in that scenario. If he was being resistant then put him in cuffs.

I know I'm saying it looks like there was no reason to use his weapon. Things like this are terrible but sometimes there is more to the story than the cameraphone has to show.

[WMD]

Pretty much all cops are power hungry **** masters

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Theres Americas Finest in action.

[badgerbacker]

Pretty much all cops are power hungry **** mastersI'm thinking there are a lot more stories of police officers doing heroic things than things of this nature, but these stories just get a lot more attention. It's always dangerous to generalize.

[TitleTown088]

187 on a motha****** ..... cop.
I/m not a person who overly accepts authority, but most of the guys are out there trying to do the right think even though they may get on a power trip. It's too bad that a few bad people make everyone look bad.

[Don Vito]

I'm thinking there are a lot more stories of police officers doing heroic things than things of this nature, but these stories just get a lot more attention. It's always dangerous to generalize.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Xiomera]

Way to make gross generalizations guys!

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

**** tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young ***** got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority

**** that ****, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk ********** with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell

****** with me cuz I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every ***** is sellin narcotics

You'd rather see me in the pen
Then me and Lorenzo rollin in the Benzo
Beat tha police outta shape
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape
To tape off the scene of the slaughter
Still can't swallow bread and water

I don't know if they **** or what
Search a ***** down and grabbin his nuts
And on the other hand, without a gun they can't get none
But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop

Ice Cube will swarm
On any ********** in a blue uniform
Just cuz I'm from the CPT, punk police are afraid of me
A young ***** on a warpath
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin in LA
Yo Dre, I got somethin to say

[Xiomera]

Yeah, this is getting locked.

[princefielder28]

Unfortunate that stuff like this happens....I've only encountered one officer who had a power trip while questioning me for an underage; he wanted to see my ID, so I reached to grab my wallet and he slammed me onto the hood of his car.

[ironman4579]

I'll be honest. I think it was an accident. Those officers just started carrying Tasers in December. Looking at his stance and the stunned expression he has on his face after the shooting, among other things, I think he meant to draw his Taser and pulled his gun instead. He should still be charged with like manslaughter or negligent homicide, but I really don't think he intended to shoot him in cold blood in front of probably hundreds of witnesses, any of whom could have been, and most likely where, recording everything with camera phones.

[kwilk103]

I'll be honest. I think it was an accident. Those officers just started carrying Tasers in December. Looking at his stance and the stunned expression he has on his face after the shooting, among other things, I think he meant to draw his Taser and pulled his gun instead. He should still be charged with like manslaughter or negligent homicide, but I really don't think he intended to shoot him in cold blood in front of probably hundreds of witnesses, any of whom could have been, and most likely where, recording everything with camera phones.

dont most cops carry taser on 1 side and gun on the other?

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

not in baltimore they dont

[fischbowl]

Should transit police even have guns? Seriously?

[ironman4579]

dont most cops carry taser on 1 side and gun on the other?

Not at all. Very few people actually know how to shoot offhanded, whether it's a gun or a Taser.

[ironman4579]

Should transit police even have guns? Seriously?

Criminals leave their guns or knives at home when they're going to ride the subway?

[CashmoneyDrew]

I've had two bad experiences with cops. My first was when I was standing outside in the street skating with some friends in front of my house. Two apparently off duty cops came up on us yelling at us to get our hands in the air and then drew their guns on us. There reasoning is they thought they heard gun shots and we looked suspicious. When the situation got better and we talked them down I asked them to show me proof of being police I moved in to see their I.D. and I could smell straight alcohol all over their breaths and they were obviously drunk. Another time me and my friend were going home from a movie and got pulled over for speeding. We were out past curfew so apparently that's a serious enough offense to get pulled out of the car, frisked, handcuffed and have our lives threatened. One cop plainly said to me "I'll put a ******* bullet in your head if you think this is a joke" after I was fully cooperating and being quiet. They put us in the back of their car and told us we were going to jail until they found out my friend's dad was a firefighter so and they let us go. Bastards. My main problem with police nowadays is how so many idiots easily become cops. I know so many morons from high school that are either already cops or in the process of becoming cops. It's pretty scary IMO.

[ironman4579]

My main problem with police nowadays is how so many idiots easily become cops. I know so many morons from high school that are either already cops or in the process of becoming cops. It's pretty scary IMO.

Unfortunately, that happens. That's why I like the way most police forces in Canada do it. It can literally be a year long process of lie detectors etc. just to be accepted do do training. And then you still have to pass the training, which can be 6 months in itself. Idiots still make it through, but at least not as many IMO.

[kwilk103]

i've never had a problem with cops

got pulled over for speeding; was going to give me a speeding ticket, failure to use turn signal 2x, and tailgating (didnt see the cop behind me, why i got the last 2); only gave me speeding ticket, and didnt take points off my license so i didnt have to tell my parents (for insurance reasons)

got pulled over agains (burnt out high beam; had no idea it was burnt out); gave me a written warning, and said i was supposed to go to his police barracks to show it was fixed (was 2 am and had 2 friends in the back, both minors); just told me to get it fixed and he didnt feel like checking up on me, so i didnt have to show him it

got in trouble for having something illegal in my car; basically talking to a kid on my team, another friend ran over a mall sign; same color car as me; kid gets in my car; get pulled over; talk my way out of it and get disorderly conduct (which is lower than a misdemeanor, same level as traffic tickets) and unlawfully activities (windows had too much tint); none show up on background checks

[Stash]

I'll be honest. I think it was an accident. Those officers just started carrying Tasers in December. Looking at his stance and the stunned expression he has on his face after the shooting, among other things, I think he meant to draw his Taser and pulled his gun instead. He should still be charged with like manslaughter or negligent homicide, but I really don't think he intended to shoot him in cold blood in front of probably hundreds of witnesses, any of whom could have been, and most likely where, recording everything with camera phones.
That pretty much sums up how I feel. Nobody would be dumb enough to intentionally shoot an unarmed detained guy in front of a crapload of people on a BART platform. Unforunately this kind of incident is an invitation for stupid people everywhere to assume the worst before any kind of investigation/trial and flock to the Bay Area and riot. It's only a matter of time before Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton show up, I can't wait.

[steelersfan43]

I fear cops.

[Brent]

did any one see all the rioting in Oakland?

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I saw some videos of it.It was nothing to serious some broken windows,cars ablaze but they hadn't brought out the molotovs yet.