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Iamcanadian
01-11-2009, 08:57 PM
He is only ranking the seniors at this point and here are his top 5 for each position:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

Habibi
01-11-2009, 09:09 PM
Link doesn't work.

AtariBigby
01-11-2009, 09:13 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dff358&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Try this one.

What a horrible looking senior class though.
Thank God for the juniors.

MNRunLeft
01-11-2009, 09:17 PM
I'm surprised to see that he has Alex Mack as his #3 ranked C. William Moore also seemed to be a little low as the #3 S but he did have a poor senior season.

hagy34
01-11-2009, 09:23 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dff358&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Try this one.

What a horrible looking senior class though.
Thank God for the juniors.

Haha I've been thinking the same thing, each time I look at the Senior rankings I cringe. I think this will be the trend for a while now though with the best talent almost always leaving school early.

619
01-11-2009, 09:23 PM
Just looking at the receiver rankings in particular, interesting to see Tate atop even after having his season cut short to injury although I'd probably agree with the evaluation myself. Barden is still a senior I expect to make some serious noise soon enough.

Hokie's#1
01-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Tate has been injured since the Notre Dame game. How is he the best receiver in the group? His defensive end rankings are interesting as his ILB rankings.

coordinator0
01-11-2009, 09:32 PM
Besides Mack being the #3 center I would say the thing that really jumps out to me is Levitre being the #1 guard ahead of Robinson and Johnson. Is he really that good? I haven't heard a whole lot about him before...

Hokie's#1
01-11-2009, 09:33 PM
Besides Mack being the #3 center I would say the thing that really jumps out to me is Levitre being the #1 guard ahead of Robinson and Johnson. Is he really that good? I haven't heard a whole lot about him before...

Levitre is legit.

ElectricEye
01-11-2009, 09:50 PM
Orakpo is listed as an OLB. Is that a misprint? The only scheme he would project there would be in a 3-4. Seems kinda weird not to list him as an end.

princefielder28
01-11-2009, 10:13 PM
He's always a little extreme in his rankings...not a fan of him

holt_bruce81
01-11-2009, 10:19 PM
Lol truly amazing how little respect Chase Coffman gets.

GB12
01-11-2009, 10:20 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dff358&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Try this one.

What a horrible looking senior class though.
Thank God for the juniors.
Not really it depends on what position you're looking at.

TE, C, G, T, DT, OLB, and CB have pretty good senior clases.

rockio42
01-11-2009, 10:21 PM
Lol truly amazing how little respect Chase Coffman gets.

damn straight

Smokey Joe
01-11-2009, 10:27 PM
I despise Mayock. The only one of these so called "experts" that are worth a damn is Kiper.

However, Mayock is nowhere near as bad as McShay.

jballa838
01-11-2009, 10:29 PM
is this a rival draft site?

bearsfan_51
01-11-2009, 10:29 PM
Wow...I thought everyone worshiped Mayock. I think very little of him too. Massively overrated.

Habibi
01-11-2009, 10:31 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dff358&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Try this one.

What a horrible looking senior class though.
Thank God for the juniors.

I don't necessarily think this senior class is horrible. Just like any class it has its strengths/weaknesses, and it just so happens that its weaknesses are the skill guys. QB, WR, and RB are pretty bad, but OT, OG, C, and DT are pretty solid.

critesy
01-11-2009, 10:32 PM
deangelo smith at safety hmmmm, i like him at corner alot.

Smokey Joe
01-11-2009, 10:32 PM
Are there any good draft guys on either ESPN or NFLN?

rockio42
01-11-2009, 10:34 PM
I think we can credit Mayock though with unearthing Branden Albert damn early compared to Kiper and McShay

ThatThereCarGoin200mph
01-11-2009, 10:53 PM
Richard Quinn from UNC as the 5th best TE? wtf?

HorusKing
01-11-2009, 10:54 PM
I like Mike Mayock much better than Kiper because he really break down players and how teams will use them in the NFL he is really good.

bearsfan_51
01-11-2009, 10:56 PM
I like Mike Mayock much better than Kiper because he really break down players and how teams will use them in the NFL he is really good.
I will give him credit for that, but he also will get caught up on one or two things and beat them into the ground as if it's the only thing that matters about a player. He's just not very good at looking at the total package in my opinion.

Smokey Joe
01-11-2009, 11:12 PM
I think we can credit Mayock though with unearthing Branden Albert damn early compared to Kiper and McShay
What are you talking about, our very own Toonster was the first one in the world talking about Albert as a potential LT and top 15 pick.

Scott Wright
01-11-2009, 11:29 PM
Richard Quinn from UNC as the 5th best TE? wtf?

Quinn is actually a guy some scouts really like. In fact, he already has a Combine invite.

He missed the 2006 season with a shoulder injury so he probably could have gone back to Chapel Hill for one more year but it looks like he is coming out.

He is basically a one-dimensional blocking specialist, which he does very well, but personally I'd have a hard time putting a guy like that among the Top 5 senior tight ends.

WMD
01-11-2009, 11:53 PM
Wow...I thought everyone worshiped Mayock. I think very little of him too. Massively overrated.

I will always worship him. He predicted Donte Whitner #8 Overall to the Bills in 2006. One more prediction like that and I think he's able to become a Saint.

WinslowEdwards19
01-12-2009, 12:02 AM
What's up with the hatred for Mayock? He's the only analyst who ever knows what he is talking about.

illmatic74
01-12-2009, 01:19 AM
What's up with the hatred for Mayock? He's the only analyst who ever knows what he is talking about.Him Ron Jaworski and the guys on playbook are the only talking heads I can stand.

ThatThereCarGoin200mph
01-12-2009, 01:20 AM
not always but he admits it(in this case at least) when he's wronghttp://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80df8ad6

illmatic74
01-12-2009, 01:20 AM
Quinn is actually a guy some scouts really like. In fact, he already has a Combine invite.

He missed the 2006 season with a shoulder injury so he probably could have gone back to Chapel Hill for one more year but it looks like he is coming out.

He is basically a one-dimensional blocking specialist, which he does very well, but personally I'd have a hard time putting a guy like that among the Top 5 senior tight ends.Mayock prefers tight ends who can block so I think taht is why he is in his top 5.

ThatThereCarGoin200mph
01-12-2009, 01:22 AM
Quinn is actually a guy some scouts really like. In fact, he already has a Combine invite.

He missed the 2006 season with a shoulder injury so he probably could have gone back to Chapel Hill for one more year but it looks like he is coming out.

He is basically a one-dimensional blocking specialist, which he does very well, but personally I'd have a hard time putting a guy like that among the Top 5 senior tight ends.

I really like davon drew as an nfl tight end this guy has decent speed decent size and potential to become a great tight end in the right system at 6'4" and around 260lbs especially if he can run faster than your projected 4.80 which i believe he will do

eaglesalltheway
01-12-2009, 07:50 AM
damn straight

I'm just a huge fan of Coffman, I'll third that,

eaglesalltheway
01-12-2009, 07:51 AM
What's up with the hatred for Mayock? He's the only analyst who ever knows what he is talking about.

He's my favorite, personally, plus he has some insider knowledge inside teams, which I like.

eaglesalltheway
01-12-2009, 07:52 AM
Quinn is actually a guy some scouts really like. In fact, he already has a Combine invite.

He missed the 2006 season with a shoulder injury so he probably could have gone back to Chapel Hill for one more year but it looks like he is coming out.

He is basically a one-dimensional blocking specialist, which he does very well, but personally I'd have a hard time putting a guy like that among the Top 5 senior tight ends.

Mayock likes TEs that can block, it is one thing he has said on numerous occasions. Soemtimes he overrated the ones that can, but that may be part of the explanation.

essential
01-12-2009, 11:24 AM
Scott, I'm a Bills fan who really wants Alex Mack. Does Maylocks ranking of Mack as the third best center prospect at all reflect the general thought of him among scouts? I didn't think it was possible he could fall to us in the second, but Mayock ranking him third is giving me hope? Is it at all possible?

JDB7821
01-12-2009, 12:25 PM
I will always worship him. He predicted Donte Whitner #8 Overall to the Bills in 2006. One more prediction like that and I think he's able to become a Saint.

As a Falcons fan, he's absolutely the best.

gator3guy
01-12-2009, 12:33 PM
As a Falcons fan, he's absolutely the best.

Whitner or Mayock?

wonderbredd24
01-12-2009, 01:58 PM
I respect Mayock for the simple fact you are guaranteed to have a different opinion from everyone else out there... he really shakes up the rankings, which is a plus if you ask me.

He gets some right, some wrong like everyone else, but he's not going with the flock in doing so

Iamcanadian
01-12-2009, 02:12 PM
is this a rival draft site?

I don't see how NFL.com is a rival site.

Iamcanadian
01-12-2009, 02:15 PM
What's up with the hatred for Mayock? He's the only analyst who ever knows what he is talking about.

His scores on predicting the 1st round is top notch. Way above Kiper. He loved Ryan last year when everybody else was questioning the pick and he loved Cutler the year before, ahead of everybody else. You'd have be crazy to ignore his stuff as he has access to limitless pro quality film and to all the GM's and scouts in the business.

wonderbredd24
01-12-2009, 02:17 PM
Hey Scott, when can we expect to see you start breaking down film and such?

Iamcanadian
01-12-2009, 02:25 PM
Scott, I'm a Bills fan who really wants Alex Mack. Does Maylocks ranking of Mack as the third best center prospect at all reflect the general thought of him among scouts? I didn't think it was possible he could fall to us in the second, but Mayock ranking him third is giving me hope? Is it at all possible?

Mayock's ranking undergo changes just like every other sourse we all like. He obviously gets feedback from people in the NFL and as prospects work out and play in All Star games, he changes his mind on where they rank. I know pro teams change their ranking based on workouts and post season games so Mayock's rankings are no different. I'm sure Scott's rankings go through the same process.

Borat
01-12-2009, 02:44 PM
Borat's rankings:


1. Mayock
2. Kiper

8,789,943. McShay

jnew76
01-12-2009, 03:35 PM
What are you talking about, our very own Toonster was the first one in the world talking about Albert as a potential LT and top 15 pick.

I wanted to point this out as well. Toonster is like EF Hutton... When he talks. people listen. I would also like to point out that people on this site have been in front of the curve on a number prospect over the years. Maurice Jones-Drew and Richard Marshall come to mind immediately, but there are many more.

edgrenade
01-12-2009, 08:58 PM
I despise Mayock. The only one of these so called "experts" that are worth a damn is Kiper.

However, Mayock is nowhere near as bad as McShay.

I don't understand how McShay still has a job...

Zyro_1014
01-12-2009, 09:04 PM
Chase Coffman as the #4 tight end?

William Moore as the #3 Safety?

I dont really see eye to eye with Mayock lol

thenewfeature06
01-12-2009, 09:08 PM
i do believe that johnson had a better year for bama then moore did for mizzou

619
01-12-2009, 09:19 PM
Chase Coffman as the #4 tight end?

William Moore as the #3 Safety?

I dont really see eye to eye with Mayock lol

Early on in the process his rankings are usually not consensual with the majority of opinion.

I've always been one to trust Mayock's judgement, being that he's been as widely accurate in his assessments as anyone in this line of business, arbitrarily well ahead of the game in itself.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-13-2009, 01:19 AM
Mayock is a guy I listen to, even when I think he's wrong. He's earned the benefit of the doubt. Does he get tunnel vision sometimes (writing off MJD because of his height, etc)? Yea. Does he have a bit of an ego? Who doesn't, but I don't find him overly pompous compared to some sports personalities

I find the hate of him here surprising. Wonder if it's a vocal minority or if the opinion of him has changed that drastically in just a year?

toonsterwu
01-13-2009, 03:44 PM
Wow, I got compared to EF Hutton. That's a first for me.

Anyhow, wasn't going to sign in today, but then peeked and saw that, so I figure I'll make a general comment. I like Mayock because of how he breaks down things. But in saying all this, there's only two truths to the NFL draft that I stubbornly adhere to:

a) All it takes is one team. For example, I was off on Jason Allen by about a dozen picks that year, but post-draft, most indications were the Dolphins were higher on him than most.

b) It's subjective.

And that's the thing to remember. Every analyst is only offering a perspective. I'm actually okay with McShay even ... I think his biggest problem is how he comes across on TV. It seems like McShay is the little kid trying to fight for attention, which hurts how he comes across as, but he offers interesting nuggets at times.

____________________________________________

Btw, that was way too much credit given to me on Branden Albert. I don't know if I was first to say he might move to LT, but that was based upon me following UVA football and knowing that the original plan was to have Albert at tackle. I wasn't sure NFL teams would take that risk, though. I also wasn't sold that he'd be a top 15 guy until after the season ended. Was I ahead of Mayock? I have no idea, although I'm sure someone could dig through the archives (which I am not going to do).

I did love Richard Marshall though. Loved him.

__________________________________________________ _

Anyhow, I'll probably lose my "status" this year, as I'm going to be way off on things, as following the draft hasn't been that important. Just haven't had time.

My first thoughts on Mayock's top 5's and his top 20 senior list:

Actually, wait, a first general thought. I've expressed this to some people, but I think this is a poor draft at the top EVEN with the underclassmen. I just don't see it, doesn't mean I'm right, but after following the draft all these years, I just don't love this draft. Doesn't mean there won't be players - there will. But even with the juniors, I don't buy this draft as anything but average, and it is probably below average. I'll even take it a step further ... I'm not sold this draft is that much better than 2005, roundly considered one of the weakest draft years in recent memory.

I mean, let's look at the positions. We're talking up Bradford, Sanchez, Stafford, and I think one or two of them will really succeed, but it's hard to suggest that these are top QB prospects, and I think it's fair to say they are benefitting from a poor senior class. RB? Chris Wells isn't that great ... good, but not great. I love Moreno, but I want to see how he weighs at the combine and whether or not it is natural weight. OT? Good, but much as I like a guy like Jason Smith, I think he's getting overhyped a bit. Much as I like Andre Smith, he was overrated to begin with, but is probably getting bashed a little too much right now. Monroe has issues in the run game, although I think he's a fairly stable pick (that is, I'll be surprised if he's not close to top 10, and I think he might end up top 5 still). It's a good OT class, but it's not a great one. Interior OL has been overrated all year. Unger is a guard, IMO. I don't like him at center as much in the NFL. I'm not big on Robinson and Johnson either. As I've noted to someone (BOE?), I thought Williams was far and away the best NFL prospect on Oklahoma's OL.
I will grant that TE looks solid. I've adjusted my stance on ILB's as well. Maualuga is good, although too many people will focus on the 40 time. I think Laurinaitis is overhyped, and while I like Spikes, I think he's overhyped as well (btw, I'm careful about saying overhyped and overrated, as they are two different things). OLB actually looks like quality this year. DE is weak, and honestly, while I am big on Everette Brown, I'm not sure the juniors add all that much, and I think this DT class at the top is one of the worst I can think of without looking up nfl.com's draft history positional list. Honestly, I'd roll the dice on Terrance Taylor later in the draft than take BJ Raji in the top half of the first, which is where he might end up (for example, I think Nolan taking him for Denver makes good sense). I don't love this CB class. It's good, but Jenkins and Davis are getting overhyped, IMO. The S class is bleh in terms of NFL draft value.

Again, talent will emerge, and I'm simply referencing perspective on value.

As for Mayock's list, at first glance, it looks alright. There are a few senior QB's I prefer at the end of the list, but one thing to remember is that Mayock's list evolves as he watches more film, as he's acknowledged that it takes time for him to gather film. I'm not too keen on Tate first as well, although from a pure talent perspective, fine. Maybe Mayock's got some inside information on that one. I think Coffman is a bit underhyped, although I'm not sure I'd put him ahead of the other 3 on a list as of now. I can see Coffman as a Zach Miller type receiving TE, and I love Zach Miller. Solid TE. Am I the only one that thinks Caldwell should get a tiny bit more love?

The one thing that surprised me, but perhaps it's because I don't follow the draft that closely anymore, was Will Davis at 3. I love Will Davis, I think he's a good prospect at DE. I just thought he was more a 3rd round type. I guess 3rd on a senior DE list could still be 3rd round type, now that I think about it. I like Curtis Taylor a lot. Not sure how much, but I like him. I have never been a big Macho Harris fan, but maybe I need to see more of what he did this year to judge. Just not sold, based on what I knew, of Macho. A bit overhyped in my humble opinion.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
01-13-2009, 04:08 PM
Chase Coffman as the #4 tight end?

William Moore as the #3 Safety?

I dont really see eye to eye with Mayock lol

William Moore is a third round prospect.

Dark Knight01
01-13-2009, 05:35 PM
After seeing the WR rankings, this seems to be another year where the WR class is deep after all the underclassmen declare, but questions still remain about Crabtree and Maclin.

Teams drafting in the top 5 should probably wait before taking a WR.

Dark Knight01
01-13-2009, 05:41 PM
Wow, I got compared to EF Hutton. That's a first for me.

Anyhow, wasn't going to sign in today, but then peeked and saw that, so I figure I'll make a general comment. I like Mayock because of how he breaks down things. But in saying all this, there's only two truths to the NFL draft that I stubbornly adhere to:

a) All it takes is one team. For example, I was off on Jason Allen by about a dozen picks that year, but post-draft, most indications were the Dolphins were higher on him than most.

b) It's subjective.

And that's the thing to remember. Every analyst is only offering a perspective. I'm actually okay with McShay even ... I think his biggest problem is how he comes across on TV. It seems like McShay is the little kid trying to fight for attention, which hurts how he comes across as, but he offers interesting nuggets at times.

____________________________________________

Btw, that was way too much credit given to me on Branden Albert. I don't know if I was first to say he might move to LT, but that was based upon me following UVA football and knowing that the original plan was to have Albert at tackle. I wasn't sure NFL teams would take that risk, though. I also wasn't sold that he'd be a top 15 guy until after the season ended. Was I ahead of Mayock? I have no idea, although I'm sure someone could dig through the archives (which I am not going to do).

I did love Richard Marshall though. Loved him.

__________________________________________________ _

Anyhow, I'll probably lose my "status" this year, as I'm going to be way off on things, as following the draft hasn't been that important. Just haven't had time.

My first thoughts on Mayock's top 5's and his top 20 senior list:

Actually, wait, a first general thought. I've expressed this to some people, but I think this is a poor draft at the top EVEN with the underclassmen. I just don't see it, doesn't mean I'm right, but after following the draft all these years, I just don't love this draft. Doesn't mean there won't be players - there will. But even with the juniors, I don't buy this draft as anything but average, and it is probably below average. I'll even take it a step further ... I'm not sold this draft is that much better than 2005, roundly considered one of the weakest draft years in recent memory.

I mean, let's look at the positions. We're talking up Bradford, Sanchez, Stafford, and I think one or two of them will really succeed, but it's hard to suggest that these are top QB prospects, and I think it's fair to say they are benefitting from a poor senior class. RB? Chris Wells isn't that great ... good, but not great. I love Moreno, but I want to see how he weighs at the combine and whether or not it is natural weight. OT? Good, but much as I like a guy like Jason Smith, I think he's getting overhyped a bit. Much as I like Andre Smith, he was overrated to begin with, but is probably getting bashed a little too much right now. Monroe has issues in the run game, although I think he's a fairly stable pick (that is, I'll be surprised if he's not close to top 10, and I think he might end up top 5 still). It's a good OT class, but it's not a great one. Interior OL has been overrated all year. Unger is a guard, IMO. I don't like him at center as much in the NFL. I'm not big on Robinson and Johnson either. As I've noted to someone (BOE?), I thought Williams was far and away the best NFL prospect on Oklahoma's OL.
I will grant that TE looks solid. I've adjusted my stance on ILB's as well. Maualuga is good, although too many people will focus on the 40 time. I think Laurinaitis is overhyped, and while I like Spikes, I think he's overhyped as well (btw, I'm careful about saying overhyped and overrated, as they are two different things). OLB actually looks like quality this year. DE is weak, and honestly, while I am big on Everette Brown, I'm not sure the juniors add all that much, and I think this DT class at the top is one of the worst I can think of without looking up nfl.com's draft history positional list. Honestly, I'd roll the dice on Terrance Taylor later in the draft than take BJ Raji in the top half of the first, which is where he might end up (for example, I think Nolan taking him for Denver makes good sense). I don't love this CB class. It's good, but Jenkins and Davis are getting overhyped, IMO. The S class is bleh in terms of NFL draft value.

Again, talent will emerge, and I'm simply referencing perspective on value.

As for Mayock's list, at first glance, it looks alright. There are a few senior QB's I prefer at the end of the list, but one thing to remember is that Mayock's list evolves as he watches more film, as he's acknowledged that it takes time for him to gather film. I'm not too keen on Tate first as well, although from a pure talent perspective, fine. Maybe Mayock's got some inside information on that one. I think Coffman is a bit underhyped, although I'm not sure I'd put him ahead of the other 3 on a list as of now. I can see Coffman as a Zach Miller type receiving TE, and I love Zach Miller. Solid TE. Am I the only one that thinks Caldwell should get a tiny bit more love?

The one thing that surprised me, but perhaps it's because I don't follow the draft that closely anymore, was Will Davis at 3. I love Will Davis, I think he's a good prospect at DE. I just thought he was more a 3rd round type. I guess 3rd on a senior DE list could still be 3rd round type, now that I think about it. I like Curtis Taylor a lot. Not sure how much, but I like him. I have never been a big Macho Harris fan, but maybe I need to see more of what he did this year to judge. Just not sold, based on what I knew, of Macho. A bit overhyped in my humble opinion.




^Agreed with alot of what you said.

The DT class is weak overall IMO and gems can be found after round 4.

The QB class looks weak to me.....Bradford and Stafford will have plenty of growing to do as will the system QB in Harrell.

WR class is deep again, with question marks on whether Crabtree and Maclin should be top 5 picks or not.

Iamcanadian
01-13-2009, 07:06 PM
This class could go either way for me. If 3 junior QB's declare, it will be the
1st time in the history of the NFL that this happened. If all 3 are successful down the line as franchise QB's, this draft will go down as one of the best, but because they are all juniors, it makes this draft look suspect as we only have Vick as the 1 example of a successful junior QB. Until junior QB's start having a high success rate, any draft they dominate in will seem suspect on the surface but always the potential for being a great draft.
Rating a draft before the combine is tough as so many prospects true speed and intangible are unknown.
My general thoughts by position:
WR - still have to see which of the remaining junior WR's will declare before a full appreciation can be made of the position. However, if Crabtree runs a 4.50 or faster 40, there will be 2 solid WR's in round 1 which isn't bad.
OT - seems as good if not better than a lot of drafts I have seen. Definitely a strength at first look for me.
OG - The top 3 may be overrated a bit but they are decent prospects and some OT's will also move to OG to strengthen the position - above average
OC - I disagree on Unger, I think he has a lot of potential at OC and this position looks pretty solid IMO.
TE - If Gresham declares, this position will have at least 1 elite TE, probably a top 15 guy with at least 1 other TE a possible 1st rounder which is pretty decent for the position.
RB - Wells is solid but there are some injury concerns. Otherwise an average group.
QB - depends on how many juniors declare. Could turnout to be sensational but we won't know for 3 years.
DE - Looks deep for a Cover 2 team, not so solid for a base 4-3 team or a 3-4 team.
DT - I now disagree about Raji, he is a very solid prospect and at least 2 other guys have a shot at round 1, so it isn't the worst group I've seen by a long shot.
ILB - deep position with solid talent but maybe not a top 10 guy.
OLB - Solid and deep for a 3-4 team and at least average for 4-3 teams with 2 potentially great OLB's but not as deep.
CB - 2 top end prospects but little depth
S - with Mays returning to school, the position got weakened considerably. Not a very solid group.

As I said previously, this draft has the potential to be a great one but we have so little experience with junior QB's declaring, it is a very tough call.
I don't think this draft will come close to matching the 2005 draft and has far more potential to end up a solid draft depending on how many junior QB's declare and how much success they have down the road as they are all likely to sit a year before seeing the field.
As for the 2005 draft, I don't see where it was that terrible except for some of the teams drafting top 10. It produced Ware and Merriman in the 11-15 group. For me the 2003 draft was far worse.

toonsterwu
01-14-2009, 02:36 AM
2003 was worse than 2005 in terms of value? I don't see it. Now, if we're talking about they panned out, that's a different equation. But the value of 2003 when compared to 2005 at the same point pre-draft was much better, IMO. It was more loaded up top, and I think through around the 3rd or 4th round area, the 03 draft was deeper. I'd have to actually go pick by pick and try and dig up my old computer, but it's certainly possible that 05 was deeper day 2, so I won't go there.

Iamcanadian
01-14-2009, 08:10 AM
2003 was worse than 2005 in terms of value? I don't see it. Now, if we're talking about they panned out, that's a different equation. But the value of 2003 when compared to 2005 at the same point pre-draft was much better, IMO. It was more loaded up top, and I think through around the 3rd or 4th round area, the 03 draft was deeper. I'd have to actually go pick by pick and try and dig up my old computer, but it's certainly possible that 05 was deeper day 2, so I won't go there.

I couldn't disagree more. Teams were desperate to move up in the 2003 draft because there was so little talent pre draft. Buffalo drafted McGahee who was still seriously injured at about #23, with no guarantee he would ever be able to play again. Outside of Palmer, even the top 10 was a gamble. 2 teams paid 2 first rounders to move up into the top 5 and both of their picks flopped. How often do teams trade out of the top 5? It is an extremely rare occurrence yet 2 teams did it in the 2003 draft, that's how low the talent was rated.
The 2005 draft was weak at the top like the 2003 draft but solid 1st rounders were still available after the top 10. It had way more depth than the 2003 draft in round 1.