St. Paul Pioneer Press: Vikings zeroing in on Cassel

[Matthew Jones]

It's looking more likely than ever that the quarterback the Vikings will target is the Patriots' Matt Cassel, who could cost $30 million in guaranteed money as well as first- and second-round draft picks. The Vikings' first-round pick is expected to be between Nos. 21 and 23 overall this spring. Cassel, 26, has played four seasons in the NFL, has learned from no-nonsense coaches Bill Belichick in New England and Pete Carroll at Southern California, and is of strong character, as Carroll will tell them when the Vikings do their background checks.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/84694-vikings-zeroing-in-on-cassel

Wow, a first AND second rounder? I'd be happy with just the first, or a pair of seconds. What do you guys think?

[Basileus777]

Well Schaub got Atlanta two 2nds and a swap of firsts and Cassel is worth more than him. Though a 1st and a 2nd is a bit steep...

[Geo]

Spending that much and giving up that many picks is too much, even if Cassel could likely be the missing piece. I'd say go after Kurt Warner instead, except their offensive line sucks at pass blocking, so they need a younger guy who's quicker on his feet. And Warner would struggle at Chicago and at Lambeau anyways.

I said all last season they should have gone after Pennington.

[WinslowBodden]

I thought they would make a run for Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn if they were willing to give up a lucrative amount.

[Vikings4ever]

I really hope that the Vikes don't go after him. I think he's a product of the system.

But, then, I was wrong about Jared Allen, so...

[WMD]

I don't buy him as being worth that at all. Not even close.

[yodapoop]

Haha, I would laugh, laugh at the Vikings. Matt Cassel will suck without a good coach. Brad Childress is not a good coach.

[Matthew Jones]

Cassel might take some time getting used to the Vikings system but he's mobile, smart, accurate, and tough, so that's not bad. He's not a deep thrower but he should be a solid quarterback.

[bearsfan_51]

I thought they would make a run for Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn if they were willing to give up a lucrative amount.
The Browns aren't going to give up Quinn, and Anderson sucks.

[bearsfan_51]

Also, please do this Minnesota.

[Pacific]

I think the Vikings have shown time and time again that they're willing to pay/trade anything to make a splash in the offseason. If they did this it wouldn't surprise me.

[GB12]

Please do it Vikings.

[The Dynasty]

Why....If he is willing to give up a 1st and 2nd, why not go out and shop around for a more Proven QB than Cassel. If it happen tomorrow, I would be a very frustrated viking fan. We need a QB badly but I really just dont know how Cassel is going to pan out without 2 All Pro caliber Receivers and very good Line. The Draft was fun last year but sort of less interesting without a first round pick and not until the 2nd round so I wouldnt be happy at all unless this panned out for the good.

[TitleTown088]

Please do it Vikings.

Pretty please with sugar on top.

[Twiddler]

Please do it Vikings.

I second this. Please do it, for the Packers, Lions, and Bears fans everywhere.

[gpngc]

It seems like a bad move on the surface but the Vikings are probably a competent QB away from being a legit Super Bowl contender and one of the best teams in the league.

I don't even like Cassel that much but if you look at his body of work this season- he's proven to be at the very least a solid QB you can win with. We forget that he's still young and could even improve as a player with more experience. Plus, while he wouldn't have the weapons on the outside like in New England, he'd have a much better running game.

If the Vikings feel he can be their franchise QB, it really IS worth the two first rounders. And like I said, instead of investing that pick in a rookie with no NFL experience, they'd already have a one-year-under-his-belt Cassel with a shot to lead them to a second straight division title and maybe beyond as early as next season.

[bearsfan_51]

It seems like a bad move on the surface but the Vikings are probably a competent QB away from being a legit Super Bowl contender and one of the best teams in the league.

I don't even like Cassel that much but if you look at his body of work this season- he's proven to be at the very least a solid QB you can win with. We forget that he's still young and could even improve as a player with more experience. Plus, while he wouldn't have the weapons on the outside like in New England, he'd have a much better running game.

If the Vikings feel he can be their franchise QB, it really IS worth the two first rounders. And like I said, instead of investing that pick in a rookie with no NFL experience, they'd already have a one-year-under-his-belt Cassel with a shot to lead them to a second straight division title and maybe beyond as early as next season.

There are cheaper ways of finding a competant quarterback. 30 million guaranteed? WTF?

It's not an issue of if this would improve the Vikings, I'm sure it would, it's just a matter of value, and Cassell is not worth that combination of picks and money.

[Vikes99ej]

I blame Tom Brady.

[hagy34]

I just don't think this will happen. If we are really thinking of giving up that much for a QB why not just try and move up in the draft. I think that would be a better move than throwing a ton of money at a guy who could be a one year wonder. Time will tell. I will say one thing though, anyone we get will be way better than TJack or Gus and we won the division with those two...so all you Bear and Packer fans better be careful what you wish for.

[Smokey Joe]

I think Cassel is underrated here, and will be a very good starter in this league. Sure, he still has learning to do and his numbers were inflated because of New England, but that doesn't change that he is an extremely intelligent player who has a great work ethic and the tools to be at least a solid starter in the league.

I personally hope the Vikings don't do this as I don't want to face Cassel twice a year. I'd prefer them trading up for someone like Bradford.

[CC.SD]

http://www.iconsportsmedia.com/image_dir/album28076/md_50621077_Herschel_Walker.jpg

Hey guys I swear this is the real missing piece this time.

[DHVF]

Lol calm down fellas, if you'd just do a little bit of research you'd realize that this rumor came from the king of rumors for Minnesota newspapers in Charley Walters. It is likely only an idea that spawned in his bored little head to spark the interests of people like ya'll.

[LonghornsLegend]

For as much as people are ragging on Cassel, he made some very impressive throws this season and mobility that had nothing to do with the system...Now I do think a 1st and a 2nd is too much even though I like his fit with that team, but if they make the super bowl I don't think they will view it as a bad move.


Still I'd consider other options, I'd much rather just spend money on Kurt Warner and look in the draft for a QB.

[gpngc]

There are cheaper ways of finding a competant quarterback. 30 million guaranteed? WTF?

It's not an issue of if this would improve the Vikings, I'm sure it would, it's just a matter of value, and Cassell is not worth that combination of picks and money.

A QB with the combination of proven talent AND potential that Cassel has will never be cheap.

The cheaper alternatives are a 2nd round QB: Fail, and a journeyman veteran: Fail.

A franchise QB in the NFL is invaluable and worth almost any amount of reasonable $ and picks combined. If the Vikings or any other team believe Cassel is a franchise QB, they'll offer whatever they need to in order to get him.

[woodyx02]

Very Very Funny CCSD!!!

[narf029]

http://www.iconsportsmedia.com/image_dir/album28076/md_50621077_Herschel_Walker.jpg

Hey guys I swear this is the real missing piece this time.

My thoughts exactly.

[FuzzyGopher]

I have no doubt that Minnesota has probably inquired about Cassel. However, what are the chances that they have already offered picks, a contract, and it has been leaked to the media. This is all speculation and I am sure there is very little truth to any of the details.

[bearsfan_51]

A QB with the combination of proven talent AND potential that Cassel has will never be cheap.
Cassel has neither proved himself to be a franchise QB, nor is he all that talented. He got a chance with a great offense and is an above average starter. Let's not make too much of this.

[DHVF]

Cassel has neither proved himself to be a franchise QB, nor is he all that talented. He got a chance with a great offense and is an above average starter. Let's not make too much of this.Well he was an above average starter within that offense. Who knows what he'd be in a place like Minny....scary/somewhat disgusting thought considering how much we'd have to pay to get him.

[singe_101]

For that price Moss should come with.

Jared Allen was a great pickup but it also scared the .... out of me when Cherilus rammed his knee... there are advantages to one great player but also if one ACL goes...

The Herschel Walker trade is overrated in terms of idiocy. Walker was established but not old, he just started to not do so well (though 1000 yards was better then for one guy).

Sure the Cowboys picked up SOME of the pieces to win three rings (going 1-15 helped), but if not them then the 49ers, Skins, and Giants would win them all anyway.

[The Legend]

Vikings wont give up more then a 1st round.

I'm looking for then to give up 2009 2nd round and 2010 2nd round
and if he makes the probowl then it becomes a 1st round in 2010

[narf029]

Rick Spielman is the guy who gave up a 2nd rounder to get A.J. Feeley. If he wants a QB he's getting his QB, and nobody will stop him from giving up way too much for him.

[gpngc]

Rick Spielman is the guy who gave up a 2nd rounder to get A.J. Feeley. If he wants a QB he's getting his QB, and nobody will stop him from giving up way too much for him.

And the Pats will have no problem playing hardball.

[BlindSite]

I didn't think Jackson was all that terrible in his last few games, besides he's played 25 games in his whole career. I'd agree with Vikings fans that want to win right away, but I don't think Cassel is necessarily an upgrade.

Oh and as far as the Pats relenting on their asking price, just ask Seattle about that.

[Crickett]

Wow, a first AND second rounder? I'd be happy with just the first, or a pair of seconds. What do you guys think?

I think the reason they're asking so much is two fold

1. They're holding all of the cards. Cassell is franchised and with Tom Brady's future unknown, they're holding all of the cards regarding a trade.

2. Tom Brady's future is unknown and Cassell did well for them this year. Im not in any way surprised they franchised him. After all, if Brady returns next year, Cassell can be traded, but if he doesn't, they'll probably sign Cassell to a long term deal.

[bearsfan_51]

Vikings wont give up more then a 1st round.

I'm looking for then to give up 2009 2nd round and 2010 2nd round
and if he makes the probowl then it becomes a 1st round in 2010
No way in hell. Do you have any idea how little that is worth? A future pick is worth the value of the following round in the current draft.

Essentially they would be trading Cassel for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick in your scenario. That's absurd.

Make no mistake, the Pats will get a great bounty out of this. I don't think the Vikings "offer" is so far off, I just think it's a bad idea.

[Jvig43]

We got a first for freakin deion Branch...... Matt Cassell is going to get us a ton of value if we opt to trade him. And I was his biggest critic at the start of the season, and after watching him every game he really turned out to be a stud for us. His deep ball needs work, but for coming into the NFL having not played since high school, the kid did a great job.

[BradysKnee]

1st and 2nd? Hell, Minnesota, please do this! I'll take it in a heartbeat.

[Smokey Joe]

Cassel has neither proved himself to be a franchise QB, nor is he all that talented. He got a chance with a great offense and is an above average starter. Let's not make too much of this.
I think he's pretty talented. He was one of the top recruits coming out of high school, and just barely lost the battle for starting QB to Matt Lienart. So, I d say he's got plenty of talent.

[bored of education]

So if this happens the Vikes would have given up 2 1sts, a 2nd and 2 3rds for Matty Castle and Jared Allen.

Hmmm

[Sniper]

This would probably be one of the top 5 dumbest moves of all time.

[drowe]

no way around it. it would be dumb. on so many levels.

1-paying THAT much money for a guy that had one good year in a system where everybody seems to excel under a coach that brings out the best in players.

2-sending AT LEAST another first round pick to another team when the vikings would be far from a complete team even with a competent QB.

I wouldn't really blame the vikings for making a move like this. The window might be closing considering their defense is built around aging players like Pat Williams, Antoinin Winfield and Darren Sharper. And, Adrian Peterson could go down at any time.

But, not having a first round pick 2 years in a row could really catch up them when the aging players finally start to show their age. rebuilding mode may be sooner than we think.

[Matthew Jones]

For the people saying it's stupid for the Vikings to get Cassel:

They won the division and made the playoffs this year without a legitimate starting quarterback. I'm not saying Tarvaris Jackson couldn't ever be a good quarterback, but if you have a chance to land the best guy on the market for a first-round pick, I would do it. The Vikings' team could reasonably contend for a title if they had a passer. The Lombardi Trophy is worth a first-round pick to me.

[PACKmanN]

If they are willing to give up that much for Cassel, why not trade up for Bradford...

[Sniper]

The Vikings' team could reasonably contend for a title if they had a passer. The Lombardi Trophy is worth a first-round pick to me.

No, they wouldn't contend. They would still need another safety and 1-2 good receivers besides a good QB to contend, and that's just looking at the starters.

[drowe]

No, they wouldn't contend. They would still need another safety and 1-2 good receivers besides a good QB to contend, and that's just looking at the starters.

exactly. QB is not the only piece the vikings are missing. they still have mediocre recievers, only one good CB, trouble at safety and not the best right side of the o-line.

the thing about the vikes is; their strengths are REALLY good. good enough to cover up their weaknesses. but, i don't think they're the kind of team that can afford to get rid of 2 high draft picks for one player.

[Bengalsrocket]

If they are willing to give up that much for Cassel, why not trade up for Bradford...

I'd rather have Cassel than bradford. I know there might not be a lot of people who agree with me, but his 1 year in the NFL is worth more than 2 years in college, experience wise anyways.

Either way though, both are a risk.

[gpngc]

If they are willing to give up that much for Cassel, why not trade up for Bradford...

Because you'd be paying just as much and giving up just as much for someone with 0 NFL experience.

Cassel isn't completely polished but he's got an 11-5 season and a ton of snaps under his belt, not to mention years of working and studying with some of the best coaches in the NFL.

Cassel is a crazy trade commodity if you think about it. A young potential franchise QB with a year of quality football under his belt and no glaring weaknesses or baggage is not something that is EVER shopped around.

[bearsfan_51]

Darren Sharper likely isn't coming back, for what it's worth.

[gpngc]

No, they wouldn't contend. They would still need another safety and 1-2 good receivers besides a good QB to contend, and that's just looking at the starters.

They played with possible NFC Champion Eagles in round one and were not outclassed by much, especially before the Westbrook TD. The major difference in the game was the ineptitude of the QB.

A QB could improve the play of the WRs around him.

And we love draft picks here on this draft site, but some of them don't pan out and many of them don't make an impact at all in year one.

The Vikings are built to win now, and I don't think its really arguable that by improving the QB position a playoff team could not then ascend to the next echelon of the NFL.

[AntoinCD]

Do it. Do it now. Its probably a bit pricey but how many QBs are traded anyway. If they dont think Tavaris is the answer then why not? As for trading up for Bradford, he will take a while getting used to playing in a pro style offense and they are built to win now. Im not sure how Cassel will fair with Berrian though as hes a good deep threat and that is a major weakness in Cassel's game.

[Don Vito]

If we could get that much for him I would be very suprised. There is too many uncertanties right now, the status of Brady being the main issue. We can't just give Cassel away if Brady isn't ready to go and hope Kevin O'Connel can be succesful when he's thrown into the fire. If Brady is ready to go and we get another first and second rounder, it would be hard to turn down. Thats a big "if" though.

[CC.SD]

Am I evil because I think Sexy Rexy is a really good fit for the Vikes? Sign him, draft a RT, and he'll have great protection, which might finally settle him down.

[TitleTown088]

Am I evil because I think Sexy Rexy is a really good fit for the Vikes? Sign him, draft a RT, and he'll have great protection, which might finally settle him down.

I could totally see it too since they have such a good coach in Chilly to turn Rexy around...

[BlindSite]

I don't mind Rexy coming to Carolina for camp, just to compete. I don't think he'd be better than Delhomme or Moore, but at times he has been amazingly good and amazingly bad.

God, I just re-read that post, that's how bad Delhomme played against Arizona, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Rex Grossman in Carolina.

[giantsfan]

I don't mind Rexy coming to Carolina for camp, just to compete. I don't think he'd be better than Delhomme or Moore, but at times he has been amazingly good and amazingly bad.

God, I just re-read that post, that's how bad Delhomme played against Arizona, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Rex Grossman in Carolina.

They could've beaten the cards with the rex cannon in that nice weather.

[PACKmanN]

Because you'd be paying just as much and giving up just as much for someone with 0 NFL experience.

Cassel isn't completely polished but he's got an 11-5 season and a ton of snaps under his belt, not to mention years of working and studying with some of the best coaches in the NFL.

Cassel is a crazy trade commodity if you think about it. A young potential franchise QB with a year of quality football under his belt and no glaring weaknesses or baggage is not something that is EVER shopped around.

I would take Bradford's upside and talent over Cassel's "experience" and upside.

[BBIB]

They played with possible NFC Champion Eagles in round one and were not outclassed by much, especially before the Westbrook TD. The major difference in the game was the ineptitude of the QB.

A QB could improve the play of the WRs around him.

And we love draft picks here on this draft site, but some of them don't pan out and many of them don't make an impact at all in year one.

The Vikings are built to win now, and I don't think its really arguable that by improving the QB position a playoff team could not then ascend to the next echelon of the NFL.

No QB is going to make a difference there until they upgrade at WR.

LOL At Matt Cassel being worth a 1st and a 2nd and that much money after one year in the Pats sytem with elite talent around him

[giantsfan]

No QB is going to make a difference there until they upgrade at WR.

LOL At Matt Cassel being worth a 1st and a 2nd and that much money after one year in the Pats sytem with elite talent around him

They're fine at WR their biggest problem is balding on the sidelines with a crappy porn stache.

[Jvig43]

No QB is going to make a difference there until they upgrade at WR.

LOL At Matt Cassel being worth a 1st and a 2nd and that much money after one year in the Pats sytem with elite talent around him

I still dont understand where all the hate comes from. Cassell played extremely well for us for the second half of the season, made huge plays with his arm, and his legs. Considering some of the other players who got big picks and alot of money, if Cassell worked out for another team they wouldnt regret it.

[CC.SD]

They're fine at WR their biggest problem is balding on the sidelines with a crappy porn stache.

Show some respect please, it's a crappy child molester stache.

[bored of education]

John David Booty >>>>> Cassel

just ask Gonzo!

[gpngc]

No QB is going to make a difference there until they upgrade at WR.


It's probably the other way around.

[Jvig43]

A good Qb can make a difference even if Minn dosent have the greatest receivers. A good Qb can make smart throws, feel pocket pressure, and not turn the ball over, all of which they dont have. Sure he might not be making huuuge plays and 40 yards throws all the time, but wouldnt it be better to have a solid Qb who dosent turn the ball over and give the team a better shot to win? I'd think so. I mean look at the pats two years ago before they loaded up. Caldwell, Gaffney, Jackson (who you cant really count) Gabriel whats his name. We still went to the AFC conference championship game with those wrs. I'd say using the argument that a good Qb cant help a team until they have better receivers is pretty moot.

[narf029]

A good Qb can make a difference even if Minn dosent have the greatest receivers. A good Qb can make smart throws, feel pocket pressure, and not turn the ball over, all of which they dont have. Sure he might not be making huuuge plays and 40 yards throws all the time, but wouldnt it be better to have a solid Qb who dosent turn the ball over and give the team a better shot to win? I'd think so. I mean look at the pats two years ago before they loaded up. Caldwell, Gaffney, Jackson (who you cant really count) Gabriel whats his name. We still went to the AFC conference championship game with those wrs. I'd say using the argument that a good Qb cant help a team until they have better receivers is pretty moot.

Let's not jump to conclusions and compare Matt Cassel to Tom Brady yet...

[thenewfeature06]

I cant see Warner coming back for another year Longhorns Legend..as long as the Cards dont win the Superbowl..Cassel came into the league this year with no evaluation whatsoever and led the pats to 11-5... the Vikes could have a franchise qb but Childress isnt the brightest coach for him

[Halsey]

The Vikings need to try to win NOW. They won't have Adrian Peterson, Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, and all those other talented players in their prime forever. They are clearly in the market for a QB ready to step right in and be a quality starter from day 1. They should be looking at all possible ways to find a QB with experience who can step right in. They may also want to consider calling the Cardinals about Leinart, Browns about one of their QB's and any other team that may have a QB they could use. Cassell is one of a number of options.

[wicket]

cassel would be fine and even when you draft bradford it will also cost you a first. Do also remember cassel is still quite young so its not like you have him really short or anything like that. I'd say grab cassel draft murphy and then i wouldnt want to play you next season.

[Bigburt63]

Let's not jump to conclusions and compare Matt Cassel to Tom Brady yet...

I don't think he's comparing Brady to Cassell, just that with a good QB a team can win with average receivers

[Crickett]

The Vikings need to try to win NOW. They won't have Adrian Peterson, Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, and all those other talented players in their prime forever.

Then they need to find a way to merge their defense and run game with the Arizona Cardinals passing attack. If they can do that, they're going 19-0. Otherwise........ the primes of those particular players WILL be going to waste. And there is no in between.

[Jvig43]

Let's not jump to conclusions and compare Matt Cassel to Tom Brady yet...

Wasnt trying to, Just stating that the comment about a good Qb cant do anything until he has receivers comment is pointless. That isnt true.

[thenewfeature06]

Vikes could even pick up Garcia since the pass blocking is terrible..and garcia is a tad more mobile

[Jvig43]

Vikes could even pick up Garcia since the pass blocking is terrible..and garcia is a tad more mobile

More mobile then Cassell? Cassell is easily more mobile, made a countless number of plays with his legs.

[Bigburt63]

Vikes could even pick up Garcia since the pass blocking is terrible..and garcia is a tad more mobile

I dunno about that..Cassell is pretty mobile, picking up key 3rd and 4th downs this year with his legs

[thenewfeature06]

yes more mobile then cassell

[Jvig43]

yes more mobile then cassell

You would be mistaken. 2008 rushing stats

Garcia- 148 yards, 1 td

Casell- 270 yards, 3 tds

Plus there is that age thing. They need a franchise Qb, not someone who can help them for a season.

[thenewfeature06]

Garcia is great getting out of the pocket... but i would like cassell for the youth and development

[bored of education]

Tyler Thigpen is the most mobile Qb in the game!! :)

KC will trade you TT for a 6th round pick. :)

[Smokey Joe]

I think when it comes down to it, a team could get Cassel for a 1st round pick this year, and a conditional 4th next year which could increase up to a 2nd rounder. This makes sense, IMO. Cassel is no bigger of a risk then any other 1st round QB, but is much more polished and has the potential to be a franchise QB and all-pro player, IMO. So while you'd be giving up more for Cassel, you'd likely be getting a guy with the same potential who can start right away.

[badgerbacker]

How long has Pete Carroll been a "no-nonsense coach"? Anyway, I'd love it if the Vikings did this.

[Bucs_Rule]

The Vikings are either very smart or very stupid by showing so much interest in Cassel. If they feel they need him this off-season its incredibly stupid as it shows more desperation and will drive up the price NE will ask. They should downplay their interest and show a lot of confidence in Jackson and seem to reluctantly trade for Cassel because the price is very good.

Its really smart if they don't want to use a 1st rounder on Cassel and wait until he becomes a FA next season. By showing desperation their driving up the demands that NE will have for him and this might scare off some teams. Cassel will also see the great interest and might turn down offers from bad teams becomes he thinks Minny will go after him hard next off-season. Why play for SF when you can sit on the bench, collect 14 million and play for a much better Minny team next season.

[GB12]

I think you're looking into that way too much. No one is going to be fooled into thinking Jackson is worth a damn. Only one that'd fall for that would be Brad Childress.

[Jvig43]

Agreed with GB12, plus never under estimate the stupidity of some teams, I hate to say it again but we got a first for deion branch.

[hagy34]

I think you're looking into that way too much. No one is going to be fooled into thinking Jackson is worth a damn. Only one that'd fall for that would be Brad Childress.

Haha its so true.

[CC.SD]

I also feel inclined at this point to say that John David Booty not only deserves a shot, but needs a shot, and babies will cry if he does not get a serious shot.

[FuzzyGopher]

I also feel inclined at this point to say that John David Booty not only deserves a shot, but needs a shot, and babies will cry if he does not get a serious shot.

The women of Minnesota are not yet ready for the awesomeness that is JDB.

[vikes_28]

I really think that everyone is over rating Matt Cassel. He has had one year. He had a superstar offense to help him. And as a Vikings fan...I know what its like to have someone like Randy Moss on the team.

Think about this...Daunte Culpepper was good until Randy Moss was traded. Now by any means, Matt Cassel is far better than Culpepper. But its still reason for concern.

I don't want to spend an arm and a leg and Brad Childress's midget sized dick on Cassel. Maybe a second round pick this year, and if he makes the Pro-Bowl with the Vikings then the Vikes give the Pats their first round pick. Until then, I don't want to see Cassel anywhere near the Metradome.

If the Vikings don't make the Super Bowl in the next three years I gaurentee we will turn into the L.A. Vikings. Thats why I don't want to trade our first and second round draft picks on Cassel. It's not worth it. Jackson gave me a spark of hope at the end of the season. If he sucks...then lets give the ball to JDB and see what he can do.

AFTER that, think about trading for Cassel.

[steelersfan43]

I will feel bad for vikings fans if they do this.

[BBIB]

I still dont understand where all the hate comes from. Cassell played extremely well for us for the second half of the season, made huge plays with his arm, and his legs. Considering some of the other players who got big picks and alot of money, if Cassell worked out for another team they wouldnt regret it.

It's not hate at all. It's a difference between, "hey maybe that Matt Cassel guy can start", and hey let's invest our entire future in this kid in terms of draft picks and money.

There is no way you can read that much into one season, especially a season that was as conducive for success as that one.

[Bigburt63]

It's not hate at all. It's a difference between, "hey maybe that Matt Cassel guy can start", and hey let's invest our entire future in this kid in terms of draft picks and money.

There is no way you can read that much into one season, especially a season that was as conducive for success as that one.

That is the same thing that people do with rookie quarterbacks, except with more money sometimes and they still use the same amount of picks (if they trade up a la Browns for Quinn). Cassell has starting NFL experience and is still young (26), so its not like he is so much older than a rookie QB.
I'm not saying he is the clear best option, but he could end up being the best option.

[broth223]

Well Schaub got Atlanta two 2nds and a swap of firsts and Cassel is worth more than him. Though a 1st and a 2nd is a bit steep...

I believe that scouts think that this draft class is pretty weak. Which is why teams are seemingly being put over a barrell for talent.

[Jvig43]

well if the vikes decide to go with qb with their first round pick your most likely going to have to shell out the same amount of money for someone whos is going to have to get used to the pro level while learning a new system . Granted, Casell is going to have to get used to the new system as well, but I'd feel much better with him in then a rookie who would most likely make alot more mistakes, which in that case why wouldnt you just go with Jackson because hes just horrible. And lol at gettng Matt for a second round pick under any conditions. I promise we'll get nothing less then AT LEAST a first rounder.

[bored of education]

They would pay the QB less if they stood still in the draft and drafted a QB that they fell in love with. I see the Vikes as a team that could go for Cassel, but they have lraedy givien up alot of draft picks for Allen. The only way they get Cassel if they really think he is the answer. Remember who the head coach is and who fell in love with Tavaris.

[BBIB]

That is the same thing that people do with rookie quarterbacks, except with more money sometimes and they still use the same amount of picks (if they trade up a la Browns for Quinn). Cassell has starting NFL experience and is still young (26), so its not like he is so much older than a rookie QB.
I'm not saying he is the clear best option, but he could end up being the best option.

Well A) A rookie QB takes one draft pick not 2+ and B)The rookie QB is usually drafted off of more than one season where they are surrounded by talent

And C)He will be 27 next year. He is closer to the age of Carson Palmer the last great USC QB than he is to a rookie.

[gpngc]

Well A) A rookie QB takes one draft pick not 2+ and B)The rookie QB is usually drafted off of more than one season where they are surrounded by talent

And C)He will be 27 next year. He is closer to the age of Donovan McNabb than he is to a rookie.



I would take "only" one 11-5 NFL season with multiple 400+ yard games over four years of college starting experience any day.

I don't know how you can really argue against going with Cassel. The price is too steep of course. Why? It's the Patriots and he's a young quarterback. The Patriots will play hardball and quarterbacks are the most coveted and valued players in the game. These are facts.

Too steep to us who love draft picks yes, but they've exhausted their options (develop young rookie, journeyman vet), and losing out on Alphonso Smith or Michael Oher for a potentially franchise-lifting QB is at the very least not stupid. And if you want to be cute and say "and they give up the 2nd rounder too!"- realistically if you think you can get a franchise QB, no second round draft pick will stop you.

[Sloopy]

I don't think it's a Question of value if he is the missing piece then he would be worth it but we have yet to see if Booty might turn out to be a franchise QB if you could pick up any seasoned veteran that could give you a year or two of solidarity and at the same time help out Booty you may end up with the next Matt Cassel, I just think they have other things they could do with the money and picks like pick up said seasoned vet and improve another part of your team.

[FlyingElvis]

I think Cassell is on his way to being a very good QB. The team (and there will be a team, vikes or otherwise) that takes the risk on him will be rewarded. He may struggle a little initially if the system is completely different, but he will still be good.

I'm not sure it's a good move for the Vikings, but only b/c they gave up so many draft picks already. It is true that no # of picks is too high a cost if they're traded for a guy that leads you to the championship, but picks are still necessary on a year to year basis to fill other holes. Losing guys to FA, old age, and mediocrity is tough. Giving up 4 or 5 top round picks over 2 years is very tough to get over in the long run.


EDIT: JDB should get a chance, too. What a blunder it would be to give up that much without even giving the guy a shot.

[BlindSite]

The Vikes issue isn't WR, its the supporting guys like TE's and FBs dropping easy check downs that hurts their drives more than anything. Most of the successful offenses have those FBs and TEs that catch the three or four yard ins and outs once or twice a game each that keep drives ticking over. Minnesota has Berrian and Taylor and that's about it, Rice is developing but outside of those guys no one really makes any type of even simple play.

[MetSox17]

The Minnesota Vikings have shown countless times that their draft picks are as good as crap, because they can't seem to get any of them right (outside the amazing players that fall to their laps). If all it takes is ONE first rounder for Cassell, do that as fast as you can say "Brad Childress blows".

The more the picks add up, the more reluctant i'd be, obviously, but if it's something like a first and a third, i think you go with that. At the bottom of the first round, chances are you're not gonna get an elite quarterback, and that's really all that's lacking in your offense to be at the top of the NFC.

[Dr. Gonzo]

BOE is right, the answer to the Vikings QB problems will be found in a man named John David Booty aka the saviour of the Vikings.

[TitleTown088]

The Vikes issue isn't WR, its the supporting guys like TE's and FBs dropping easy check downs that hurts their drives more than anything..
I disagree. Shinacoe came on very well at the end of the season.

Also, the problem is with the idiot who designs and calls those stupid check downs that have no chance of success. Chilly has, in fact, invented a prevent offense. He'll only go as far as Adrian Peterson and the defense can carry him. He's an awful coach. Please keep him around Speilman.

[broth223]

I'd take Garcia over Cassell for a few reasons

1) Garcia knows the system (dpent a long time in Philly did a great job there)
2) He wouldn't cost a first and second pick. hell you could probobly give them Tavaris Jackson and a 3rd (exageration)but he wouldn't cost a 1st at his age then you can use the first on a diferent need.
3) His girlfriend is hot.

[Bigburt63]

Well A) A rookie QB takes one draft pick not 2+ and B)The rookie QB is usually drafted off of more than one season where they are surrounded by talent

And C)He will be 27 next year. He is closer to the age of Carson Palmer the last great USC QB than he is to a rookie.

I said more draft picks if they were to trade up to draft one of the top QBs, which depending on whpo declares could be very likely. Thus, if they trade up they could in all likelyhood end up paying the rookie more than they would have paid Cassell.

[Bucs_Rule]

Garcia is a free-agent and since he hates Gruden he will gladly leave

[Jvig43]

Again Garcia is not going to give the Vikings a franchise QB with his age.Maybe a year, but I dont see him performing all that much better then Jackson.

[Menardo75]

Well we all saw this coming. I am not sure if Cassel is the guy to get them over the top, but he can't be any worse than what they have.

[Slope]

I would take "only" one 11-5 NFL season with multiple 400+ yard games over four years of college starting experience any day.

The price is too steep of course.

Too steep to us who love draft picks yes,...

The price isn't too steep. What did Cleveland give up to get Brady Quinn? At least a 1st & 2nd round pick. That was for a QB that had never played in the NFL. Plenty of teams trade away two first rounders for a QB (Broncos for Elway.)

As someone said, the Vikings are ready to win now. Honestly, if they had of had a half decent QB this year we would probably be looking at a Vikings/Cardinals championship game instead of a Eagles/Cards game.

[Vikes99ej]

Again Garcia is not going to give the Vikings a franchise QB with his age.Maybe a year, but I dont see him performing all that much better then Jackson.

I think Garcia would have been perfect for this year. God I wish we would have gotten him.

[regoob2]

The Vikes are really selling out to win now. Is there window really that small??

[CC.SD]

The Vikes are really selling out to win now. Is there window really that small??

See Williams, Pat.

[regoob2]

See Williams, Pat.
He's not the entire team. Giving up another 1st and other picks is a lot.

[Menardo75]

He's not the entire team. Giving up another 1st and other picks is a lot.

I really think they are a QB away from making a serious run.

[Bigburt63]

I really think they are a QB away from making a serious run.

I agree, that QB may or may not end up being Cassell, but an above-average QB would open up their passing game, which would only help their already potent running game, in addition to possibly adding years to AD's career.

[Jvig43]

An above average Qb will prevent teams from simply stacking 8 men in the box. The saints game was just horrible to watch, AD did nothing.

[Bruce Banner]

Garthia isn't the same QB anymore.

He won't be the guy that puts you over the bulge...err..hump.

[Iamcanadian]

I second this. Please do it, for the Packers, Lions, and Bears fans everywhere.

Yeah and if he pans out, Minny could be looking at these teams in their rear view mirror for a decade. It is a quite reasonable price to me if their scouts and GM think he is the real deal.