The 2009 ACC Thread

[SuperKevin]

I guess we'll get this one started too.

I think this is the year Duke finally gets bowl eligible

[BRAVEHEART]

NC State is my darkhorse, watch-out!

[thenewfeature06]

The Heels lose alot of talent but also bring in alot of talent.. be interesing to see how they end up

[SuperKevin]

The Heels lose alot of talent but also bring in alot of talent.. be interesing to see how they end up

They lost way too much offenseive talent to compete in my opinion

[BRAVEHEART]

They lost way too much offenseive talent to compete in my opinion

What about that Tall skinny QB (forgot his name, has a Bball brother I believe), will he get the starting gig this upcoming season?

[Don Vito]

Boston College is going to be incredibly bad next year. I don't even think they will make a bowl for the first time in about 1000 years, granted it's usually the Kawasaki Obsurity Bowl

[BigJohn98]

Florida State wins the ACC.

[thenewfeature06]

Mike Paulus?

[JoeyJr09]

4 horse race for the ACC IMO next year.

Miami, FSU, NC State and VT.

GT as an outside but that offense is just far too inconsistent IMO to make it.

UNC is taking a step back after all the losses on O. BC for obvious reasons isn't gonna go it again.

[skinzzfan25]

Maryland will be back to running the ball some more, if possible.

Is Portis gonna get any looks this year??

[BRAVEHEART]

Mike Paulus?

Yes that's his name.


Is Portis gonna get any looks this year??

Thought he transferred to a div.2 team...

[murdamal86]

I think ALOT of people are sleeping on FSU to be honest with you. This past season they had their ups and downs but all in all, they were REALLY close to having a special season.

i think it's going to be FSU vs. GT (or Miami)

[murdamal86]

Maryland will be back to running the ball some more, if possible.

Is Portis gonna get any looks this year??

Man what in the world is up with Portis? I thought he could have been a solid QB in college but he landed in two unfortunate situations.

[Don Vito]

Miami should start to get very good next year, if not then I don't know what they're deal is. They are getting seriously deep with top notch talent.

[skinzzfan25]

Man what in the world is up with Portis? I thought he could have been a solid QB in college but he landed in two unfortunate situations.

Wow lol. Haven't payed any attention to him at all. Apparently he's at the California university of Pennsylvania? Got caught cheating and didn't get eligibility.

[Hokie_Pokie08]

I will throw the orange and maroon hat into the ring. Hokies win the ACC for the 4th time in 6 years.

Bigger question is if this is the year that the ACC puts 2 teams into the BCS?

[SuperKevin]

I will throw the orange and maroon hat into the ring. Hokies win the ACC for the 4th time in 6 years.

Bigger question is if this is the year that the ACC puts 2 teams into the BCS?

Could happen. I see

Pac 10- USC
Big East- Toss up
ACC- VT
SEC- Florida
Big 12- Texas
Big 10- Ohio State

Oklahoma
Ole Miss/LSU
BYU

One spot open

[BuddyCHRIST]

Pretty much everyone has a touch schedule as every team in the ACC has to be taken seriously with a legit 10 teams that can all beat each other on any day.

FSU should be better next year, but our schedule will be brutal. Clemson, UNC, BC, Wake and Maryland all on the road. Plus I think we are playing TCU, BYU and USF OOC in addition to UF....One of those could be wrong, TCU might not be I'm not sure. But it will be really tough.

[djp]

I guess we'll get this one started too.

I think this is the year Duke finally gets bowl eligible

It will be close... I love Thad Lewis but I just don't think they have enough talent to do anything in the ACC.

[Staggart]

how is no one saying VT will win it. They will loose only a few players... most notably machp and orion martin. On offense a ****** guard but thats it. I think if they win their ooc schedule it could be a very special year for hokies


Alabama
ecu
Nebraska

all the skilled positions on offense will be returning.

[TACKLE]

If they can be consistent on offense next year (anything is better than Nix),
















Next year will be all about the http://proandcollegesportsgear.com/images/MiamiHurricanes7.GIF

[ncst8fan83]

Russell Wilson will own everyone next year. Nate Irving will be a beast, and the ACC will be introduced to Terrell Manning. I worry about our defensive line and corners. Should be interesting to watch Eugene carry the load next year at RB. I think we're a couple years away from competing for the league, but maybe that's just me tempering my excitement about where our program is headed.

I think we should keep up with how many people Butch Davis kicks off the team this offseason. I believe they're around 13 or 14 over the 85 scholarship limit. Keep an eye on the waiver wire in San Francisco East.

[JoeyJr09]

how is no one saying VT will win it.

I saw 3 different people on the 1st page of this thread say VT will be in the middle of things.

What more do you want?

They aren't getting discussed like Miami and FSU frankly because Miami and FSU are starting to stack their rosters full of freak athletes and people are waiting to see if they will finally break out or not.

[Staggart]

They aren't getting discussed like Miami and FSU frankly because Miami and FSU are starting to stack their rosters full of freak athletes and people are waiting to see if they will finally break out or not.

Havent they always had freaks on their rosters :)

on another note, I am really liking that rb from Kansas... I saw that he is only a soft verbal to the U though. Is there rumors that he will decommit or sign somewhere else on signing day?

Personally I root for the U against anyone besides tech and i am glad that the punk Marve is gone. I like shannon but at times he does appear lost on the sideline.

[vatech=accdomination]

OMG VT>all duh

[etk]

Why all the FSU love? Last I checked...they still don't have a QB. Still. Antone Smith and Greg Carr are gone. Both suck, but how do we know the backups aren't worse. They have athletes on defense, but lose way more key players than UM or VT.

The ACC winner will be the Coastal winner...either UM, VT or GT. If we get a good OC hire, I can easily see us going 7-1 and winning the division. I can also see us losing bad to GT and dropping a couple on the road, though. We have more weapons than any other team in the conference and our OL & QB play will improve. The defense will be more athletic and I expect lots of penetration, but the secondary is a concern.

I still think we match up well with VT and a better gameplan will shut down GT. UNC beat us entirely on their passing game last year, and that whole unit is gone. They could end up last in the division. Duke will compete, but they'll need a soft non-conf schedule to get bowl-eligible.

[gameplaya2435]

Clemson > You

[etk]

CJ Spiller > Clemson as a whole

[Hokie_Pokie08]

NCAA looks like it will be coming down on FSU a little bit harder than their self sanctions.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/1/15/724775/ncaa-report-rumblings

[etk]

Good article. I'll be happy if those 7 wins keep Bobby in Tallahassee for 1 more year delaying the inevitable.

[murdamal86]

Why all the FSU love? Last I checked...they still don't have a QB. Still. Antone Smith and Greg Carr are gone. Both suck, but how do we know the backups aren't worse. They have athletes on defense, but lose way more key players than UM or VT.

The ACC winner will be the Coastal winner...either UM, VT or GT. If we get a good OC hire, I can easily see us going 7-1 and winning the division. I can also see us losing bad to GT and dropping a couple on the road, though. We have more weapons than any other team in the conference and our OL & QB play will improve. The defense will be more athletic and I expect lots of penetration, but the secondary is a concern.

I still think we match up well with VT and a better gameplan will shut down GT. UNC beat us entirely on their passing game last year, and that whole unit is gone. They could end up last in the division. Duke will compete, but they'll need a soft non-conf schedule to get bowl-eligible.

The reason why i'm kinda picking FSU is because although their offense was erratic at times last season (Wake Forest game), there were times the offense showed potential (Miami game) that Jimbo MAY be getting that team turned around. Plus one thing that's for certain, they are talented and even though that don't translate into wins, they weren't TOO far from having a great season this past season.

[etk]

The game against us was an anomaly. We couldn't stop Christian Ponder from scrambling, and had a bad playcall on 3rd and goal from the 30 that led to a score. Plus Marve gave them the ball with good field position.

Next year we will shut them down.

[BigJohn98]

The game against us was an anomaly. We couldn't stop Christian Ponder from scrambling, and had a bad playcall on 3rd and goal from the 30 that led to a score. Plus Marve gave them the ball with good field position.

Next year we will shut them down.

That's what you said would happen this year. Oops.

[etk]

That's what you said would happen this year. Oops.

When?

All I remember us saying is that we have a good Run D and you have a good Run D, so neither team will run the ball well. We held Smith to like 3 YPC (maybe less excluding that BS run on 3rd and 30), we just couldn't stop Ponder for some reason (not naming names, it's too easy).

[BigJohn98]

When?

All I remember us saying is that we have a good Run D and you have a good Run D, so neither team will run the ball well. We held Smith to like 3 YPC (maybe less excluding that BS run on 3rd and 30), we just couldn't stop Ponder for some reason (not naming names, it's too easy).

It must have been Joey then.

[JoeyJr09]

It must have been Joey then.

I said the same thing etk said.

Our run D would shut down your running game.

No Miami fan in their right mind would say our DBs were gonna stop any passing game.

And we did stop your running game from the RB spot.

Having Ponder run like he did on us last year is the exception, not the rule. Chances are it will be years before a QB has that type of running game against us again.

[BigJohn98]

Antone Smith still had 92 yards and four touchdowns. Jermaine Thomas had 51 yards on two carries. Not quite shutting down our running backs.

[etk]

So if a RB gets 300 yards on 200 carries....he's good?

No one who watched that game could say Smith was running well and FSU was having success on the ground. The only difference between FSU and Miami is that you guys kept running even though it was failing and we completely abandoned the run game (woo Patty Nix!). Plus the fact that we put ourselves in a big hole early on.

[vatech=accdomination]

A good year for VT, FSU and Miami off the field as well, VT and FSu at 31 in the Fulmer Cup, and I dont see Miami.


http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2008

[JoeyJr09]

A good year for VT, FSU and Miami off the field as well, VT and FSu at 31 in the Fulmer Cup, and I dont see Miami.


http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2008

Since when is being 31st out of 119 a good thing when your talking about arrests and off the field incidents?

Your standards must be pretty low.

And the fact that I'm saying this with our teams history should mean something.

And we shouldn't be on the list.

ZERO off the field incidents this year.

Heck Randy had to find grades and sleeping in as reasons to suspend people this year.

[JoeyJr09]

Antone Smith still had 92 yards and four touchdowns.

3.4 YPC

Quantity =/= Quality

[vatech=accdomination]

Since when is being 31st out of 119 a good thing when your talking about arrests and off the field incidents?

Your standards must be pretty low.

And the fact that I'm saying this with our teams history should mean something.

And we shouldn't be on the list.

ZERO off the field incidents this year.

Heck Randy had to find grades and sleeping in as reasons to suspend people this year.

Uhmm, maybe you missed the last few years, 1 infraction is pretty good

[etk]

Uhmm, maybe you missed the last few years, 1 infraction is pretty good

Exactly. Your standards are low like joey said.

[SuperKevin]

Not to start a fight but historically speaking I don't think Miami fans have any right to preach to anybody about behavior

[JoeyJr09]

Not to start a fight but historically speaking I don't think Miami fans have any right to preach to anybody about behavior

I was waiting for someone to say this.

We haven't had any problems since Larry Coker took over.

Ryan Moore, Willie Williams (although he didn't get arrested as a Cane) were the 2 worst.

I'm memory serves me correctly, Robert Marve has been the only Cane arrested over the last 5 years.

I just think it's funny how people like to say our winning ways are in the past and that we are living off history.

Well people need to check their facts when it comes to the Thug comments as well. Because we have been one of the cleanest programs in college football since Larry Coker took over. 5 arrests total in that period I believe it was.

Funny how when it comes to us winning people say it's in the past but when it comes to off the field issues, they bring up the 80's and 90's with Zero problems.

Can't go both ways.

If people are gonan knock us for being down lately, at least give us credit where credit is due, we have run a clean program for close to 10 years now.

Don't confuse 1 player being the vicitim of a murder with us being Thugs.

[marks01234]

Willie Williams doesn't help Miami's rep. Nor does the off the field stuff with Ray Lewis and some of the other Cane players in the pros.

That being said, they have came a long way since the days of Butch Davis where it was Thug U.

[murdamal86]

I was waiting for someone to say this.

We haven't had any problems since Larry Coker took over.

Ryan Moore, Willie Williams (although he didn't get arrested as a Cane) were the 2 worst.

I'm memory serves me correctly, Robert Marve has been the only Cane arrested over the last 5 years.

I just think it's funny how people like to say our winning ways are in the past and that we are living off history.

Well people need to check their facts when it comes to the Thug comments as well. Because we have been one of the cleanest programs in college football since Larry Coker took over. 5 arrests total in that period I believe it was.

Funny how when it comes to us winning people say it's in the past but when it comes to off the field issues, they bring up the 80's and 90's with Zero problems.

Can't go both ways.

If people are gonan knock us for being down lately, at least give us credit where credit is due, we have run a clean program for close to 10 years now.

Don't confuse 1 player being the vicitim of a murder with us being Thugs.

Bruh be ready to defend the fight against Florida International back in 2006. But to UM's defense, it wasn't as if you were suppose to stand there while FIU started attacking UM. I think that whole brawl was overblown anyways

[BRAVEHEART]

bruh, be ready to defend the fight against Florida International back in 2006

wow, cant beleive I forgot about that. That was hilarious, Reddick hittin people with helmets and ish'

[Sniper]

wow, cant beleive I forgot about that. That was hilarious, Reddick hittin people with helmets and ish'

Knockin' bitches out.

[JoeyJr09]

Willie Williams doesn't help Miami's rep. Nor does the off the field stuff with Ray Lewis and some of the other Cane players in the pros.

That being said, they have came a long way since the days of Butch Davis where it was Thug U.

Ray Lewis ish was in the 90's. So it falls into the same category of bringing up the past that I was talking about. Besides, how you can hold Miami accountable of the actions of the player after they leave? Is Miami now supposed to babysit grow men as well as run a school?

And Willie Williams was never arrested while he was at Miami. He was arrested in HS while in Gainesville hanging out with Gator recruits. Got kicked out of Miami and has been arrested since then but he was infraction clean while at Miami.

As for the FIU fight. You all know there isn't a school in college football that wouldn't react the exact same way that we did if FIU had thrown your kicker to the floor and threw punches.

Seriously, here are the big things that get brought up about Miami since the Butch Davis era:

1.) FIU Brawl- All schools would have done the same in that spot.
2.) Willie Williams- Never had an arrest at Miami and was barely here for a year.
3.) Murders of Sean Taylor and Brian Pata- shortsighted people try to bring up our players getting murdered and blame it on them not realizing they were the victims.

[vatech=accdomination]

I really dont think anyone understood where I was coming from, the reduction of infractions for those three schools is pretty amazing.

[Hokie_Pokie08]

wow. Bruce Taylor a freshman DE/LB for VT that redshirted this season was assaulted at Hokie House tonight and somebody broke a bottle over his head that resulted in a pretty big cut on his head. From the people that were at the bar he didn't start the fight and left right away and didn't try to retaliate. Hope it isn't anything serious and he heals up quickly and they catch the guy that did it to him.

[JoeyJr09]

He had to at least have said something to provoke the guy. How often do you see a guy smashing beer bottles of strangers heads for no reason?

And I know athletes are normally targets. But not 18 year old ones that have yet to set a foot on the field.

[Hokie_Pokie08]

He had to at least have said something to provoke the guy. How often do you see a guy smashing beer bottles of strangers heads for no reason?

And I know athletes are normally targets. But not 18 year old ones that have yet to set a foot on the field.

I'm sure he was probably talking trash to the dude, but it doesn't call for a bottle to be broken over his head. I'm just happy that he didn't retaliate and was the bigger man. The gash and all the bleeding could have helped that process out though.

[BamaFalcon59]

Hokie Pokie, is Allen Stephens off of the team now?

I read he is.

He is/ was a monster in waiting.

[Hokie_Pokie08]

Hokie Pokie, is Allen Stephens off of the team now?

I read he is.

He is/ was a monster in waiting.

I hadn't heard anything. That would suck if he is as he would an awesome MIKE for us.

[Hokie_Pokie08]

Hokie Pokie, is Allen Stephens off of the team now?

I read he is.

He is/ was a monster in waiting.

Wherever you heard that was right. He didn't want to move to DE so he is transferring to Murray State or Morgan State (some confusion over which).

[BamaFalcon59]

Wherever you heard that was right. He didn't want to move to DE so he is transferring to Murray State or Morgan State (some confusion over which).

Wow, what a loss.

Why would we even move him...he would have been a monster at middle linebacker.

[BuddyCHRIST]

Preston Parker just got arrested for DUI, blood alcohol level was only .05 but he admitted to smoking marijuana and is already on probation. Probably kicked off the team. SUCKS!

[JoeyJr09]

Preston Parker just got arrested for DUI, blood alcohol level was only .05 but he admitted to smoking marijuana and is already on probation. Probably kicked off the team. SUCKS!

I'm shocked.

[SuperKevin]

Preston Parker just got arrested for DUI, blood alcohol level was only .05 but he admitted to smoking marijuana and is already on probation. Probably kicked off the team. SUCKS!

He'll either transfer down to D2 or D3 or declare for the Supplemental draft. Either way he's probably killed his NFL chances

[ccB]

Alex Wujciak will own the ACC!

This has been a CCB public service announcement.

[SuperKevin]

Alex Wujciak will own the ACC!

This has been a CCB public service announcement.

I'm SuperKevin and I approve this message

[marks01234]

Ray Lewis ish was in the 90's. So it falls into the same category of bringing up the past that I was talking about. Besides, how you can hold Miami accountable of the actions of the player after they leave? Is Miami now supposed to babysit grow men as well as run a school?

And Willie Williams was never arrested while he was at Miami. He was arrested in HS while in Gainesville hanging out with Gator recruits. Got kicked out of Miami and has been arrested since then but he was infraction clean while at Miami.

As for the FIU fight. You all know there isn't a school in college football that wouldn't react the exact same way that we did if FIU had thrown your kicker to the floor and threw punches.

Seriously, here are the big things that get brought up about Miami since the Butch Davis era:

1.) FIU Brawl- All schools would have done the same in that spot.
2.) Willie Williams- Never had an arrest at Miami and was barely here for a year.
3.) Murders of Sean Taylor and Brian Pata- shortsighted people try to bring up our players getting murdered and blame it on them not realizing they were the victims.

Fact is, Miami shouldn't have taken Willie Williams. Don't feel bad though - pretty sure every other program in the country would have too.

Bottom line, is Butch Davis built the reputation and it is going to take years to fix it. And any little change - will always come back to THUG U. I'd agree completely with you that now Miami is no different than Ohio State, USC or Florida and is much better than FSU.

Anybody want to place bets on when Butch puts Carolina on probation? Somebody needs to start asking questions when a basketball school with no football tradition or atmosphere starts recruiting like he is.

[vatech=accdomination]

I doubt anytime soon, different era, different location.

[JoeyJr09]

Fact is, Miami shouldn't have taken Willie Williams. Don't feel bad though - pretty sure every other program in the country would have too.

Bottom line, is Butch Davis built the reputation and it is going to take years to fix it. And any little change - will always come back to THUG U. I'd agree completely with you that now Miami is no different than Ohio State, USC or Florida and is much better than FSU.

Anybody want to place bets on when Butch puts Carolina on probation? Somebody needs to start asking questions when a basketball school with no football tradition or atmosphere starts recruiting like he is.

Butch Davis built the reputation?

What are you smoking?

Butch Davis took over the program after it was already on probation.

The reputation is from the 80's. We paid the penalties for it in the 90's under Butch Davis but he had zero to do with any of the Thug U image we have.

[Nitschke-Hawk]

Preston Parker just got arrested for DUI, blood alcohol level was only .05 but he admitted to smoking marijuana and is already on probation. Probably kicked off the team. SUCKS!

espn article said he was driving a Dodge Charger. wtf?

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

Preston Parker just got arrested for DUI, blood alcohol level was only .05 but he admitted to smoking marijuana and is already on probation. Probably kicked off the team. SUCKS!

Isn't too big of a loss. We have great athletes coming into the WR position and his play hugely declined from his SOPH year. Reed, Easterling are both better than him anyways.

[tolnaballa]

Whats the news on Corey Surrency? He looks like he has all the size and speed combo, but is his eligibiltiy going to run out? I thought he was only a junior?

[SuperKevin]

Whats the news on Corey Surrency? He looks like he has all the size and speed combo, but is his eligibiltiy going to run out? I thought he was only a junior?

He'll be back next year

[JoeyJr09]

He'll be back next year

Thought his issues were grade wise and I'm pretty sure it's already been reported that he is not playing next year. I'll try to find the link if I can remember where I saw it.

[BigJohn98]

Whats the news on Corey Surrency? He looks like he has all the size and speed combo, but is his eligibiltiy going to run out? I thought he was only a junior?

Florida State is appealing for another year but they don't feel confident.

[HokiesSkins2621]

The frontrunner is FSU, Clemson, or Miami as usual.

The team that will actually win it is Virginia Tech...as usual.

[BamaFalcon59]

I get the point, but that is somewhat false. We are preseason top 10 on most sites, highest among the ACC teams. Georgia Tech. and Florida State follow.

I think we will win it, but we are a bit high preseason for my tastes. I like being underrated, but I guess it comes with the talent and territory.

[draftguru151]

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/903/F506247.jpg

Rape is imminent.

[Don Vito]

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/903/F506247.jpg

Rape is imminent.

While we are on the topic-

http://bp1.blogger.com/_moI3ojN5LpI/R_aYhPPBGpI/AAAAAAAAAJk/c2pBfG7p8L8/s320/n1618939_34383417_6138.jpg

Absolute monster.

[etk]

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/903/F506247.jpg

Rape is imminent.

Not if Darryl Armtackleton has his way.

[BamaFalcon59]

Gosh, and you guys think I kiss Darren Evans' ass. The people on our Rivals site think he's the second coming.

I said Ryan Williams and David Wilson have more upside and got lambasted for it.

Maybe it is because his dads posts and expects people to kiss his ass for having a son.

I've heard people on there compare him to Jim Brown. Haha.

[etk]

Gosh, and you guys think I kiss Darren Evans' ass. The people on our Rivals site think he's the second coming.

I said Ryan Williams and David Wilson have more upside and got lambasted for it.

Maybe it is because his dads posts and expects people to kiss his ass for having a son.

I've heard people on there compare him to Jim Brown. Haha.

You know where I stand on this....I'll leave it at that.

[BamaFalcon59]

You know where I stand on this....I'll leave it at that.

I disagree with you, but more so with our fans.

They really think he is amazing. I think he is a very good back, but nothing special. Not overly physically gifted. Decent straight line speed, great endurance, and power. But he isn't quick, has average hands, and isn't very fast.

I guess they don't know the meaning of 'upside', or 'potential'. To say Ryan Williams, one of the quickest backs in the country at like 210, and David Wilson, one of the most explosive backs in the country this season at almost 200, don't have more upside is asinine.

Really, the potential for the other two is endless. Evans has his limits.

I'm so excited for the other two.

Players last season said RW was the quickest back they saw all year, and his nickname was Barry Sanders. I think he compares to Bryan Westbrook.

David Wilson has amazing speed and acceleration, and is very tough to boot. Runs like Portis (NFL version) or McFadden. Makes one cut and gos, and runs hard. Not to mention he lead the country in the triple jump this season at over 50 feet and has a legit shot at the olympics.

I think Evans is good, but he doesn't have near the upside of the other two. I'm happy that all three are on the team, though. All three are great young men according to reports.

[etk]

I disagree with you, but more so with our fans.

They really think he is amazing. I think he is a very good back, but nothing special. Not overly physically gifted. Decent straight line speed, great endurance, and power. But he isn't quick, has average hands, and isn't very fast.

I guess they don't know the meaning of 'upside', or 'potential'. To say Ryan Williams, one of the quickest backs in the country at like 210, and David Wilson, one of the most explosive backs in the country this season at almost 200, don't have more upside is asinine.

Really, the potential for the other two is endless. Evans has his limits.

I'm so excited for the other two.

Players last season said RW was the quickest back they saw all year, and his nickname was Barry Sanders. I think he compares to Bryan Westbrook.

David Wilson has amazing speed and acceleration, and is very tough to boot. Runs like Portis (NFL version) or McFadden. Makes one cut and gos, and runs hard. Not to mention he lead the country in the triple jump this season at over 50 feet and has a legit shot at the olympics.

I think Evans is good, but he doesn't have near the upside of the other two. I'm happy that all three are on the team, though. All three are great young men according to reports.

I agree with this post, aside from the "very good back" part for Evans. He's a decent inside runner, but nothing special. Replace him with Javarris James, Andre Brown, James Davis, Cedric Peerman, etc. and VT's running game is much more potent. I'm quite confident that Evans won't be the best back on his team by the time he graduates. I mean unless VT's backs are all mediocre, which is unlikely.

[BamaFalcon59]

I think he's in the same tier as that group you listed. Not great, but good enough to be a starting RB.

[Hokie_Pokie08]

I agree with this post, aside from the "very good back" part for Evans. He's a decent inside runner, but nothing special. Replace him with Javarris James, Andre Brown, James Davis, Cedric Peerman, etc. and VT's running game is much more potent. I'm quite confident that Evans won't be the best back on his team by the time he graduates. I mean unless VT's backs are all mediocre, which is unlikely.

I'm pretty confident that Evans won't be our best back by the end of this upcoming season.

[BamaFalcon59]

I'm pretty confident that Evans won't be our best back by the end of this upcoming season.

RW is going to be a machine.

[impy007531]

I guess we'll get this one started too.

I think this is the year Duke finally gets bowl eligible

Get the hell outta here they wont be bowl eligible for the next 2-3 years.

[adschofield]

Any BC fans in the house? I'll be a freshman there next year...We're going to rape everybody in the ACC.

[gpngc]

Is Korn going to start at Clemson?

[yourfavestoner]

Please be good this year Miami. Even as a Florida fan, I think that college football is so much more interesting when you guys are relevant...

[WarrickNole]

obviously FSU wins the conf this year! a 10-2 season is likely...a bcs bowl berth and a acc title will push us into the 2010 season when we make our run for the bcs national title!

[BamaFalcon59]

Any BC fans in the house? I'll be a freshman there next year...We're going to rape everybody in the ACC.

No.

Boston College has no quarterback, and Virginia Tech. wouldn't lose to them in the ACC title game.

[etk]

No.

Boston College has no quarterback, and Virginia Tech. wouldn't lose to them in the ACC title game.

You could've said the same thing about BC before this year with Matt Ryan gone. They did fine.

My bigger concern with that team is the loss of both offensive minds and the 2 big DTs. I'm unsure of the direction of that team and therefore it's difficult to make an early judgment.

I love how all the VT fans are falling for the early hype train. Just like Clemson last year. Meanwhile, Miami is quietly enjoying an impressive (and healthy) spring....

[BamaFalcon59]

You could've said the same thing about BC before this year with Matt Ryan gone. They did fine.

My bigger concern with that team is the loss of both offensive minds and the 2 big DTs. I'm unsure of the direction of that team and therefore it's difficult to make an early judgment.

I love how all the VT fans are falling for the early hype train. Just like Clemson last year. Meanwhile, Miami is quietly enjoying an impressive (and healthy) spring....

Did you really just compare Clemson with Virginia Tech.?

Clemson has always disappointed when highly ranked in the preseason, and are the softest team in the ACC by far. They rely/relied on pure athleticism and gave up when punched in the mouth. Just like always.

Virginia Tech. returns just about everybody on offense, and the defense is sure to be top 10 with Bud Foster at the helm. We are the antithesis of Clemson, well coached and tough. Although we're also athletic.

[gameplaya2435]

Is Korn going to start at Clemson?

Probably, but it's an open competition for spring

[Bigburt63]

Any BC fans in the house? I'll be a freshman there next year...We're going to rape everybody in the ACC.

As much as I would like that to happen, I don't think it will. The defense should still be solid, assuming they can at least try and replace Raji and Brace (no easy task), the OL will be solid as always, QB is a huge question mark, but the loss of Raji and Brace will bring the defense down some, even if the defense is still good.

[vatech=accdomination]

You could've said the same thing about BC before this year with Matt Ryan gone. They did fine.

My bigger concern with that team is the loss of both offensive minds and the 2 big DTs. I'm unsure of the direction of that team and therefore it's difficult to make an early judgment.

I love how all the VT fans are falling for the early hype train. Just like Clemson last year. Meanwhile, Miami is quietly enjoying an impressive (and healthy) spring....

That doesn't change the fact that BC can't beat VT when it matters. VT doesn't fall for the early hype train, they ride it to ACC championships.

[JoeyJr09]

You could've said the same thing about BC before this year with Matt Ryan gone. They did fine.

My bigger concern with that team is the loss of both offensive minds and the 2 big DTs. I'm unsure of the direction of that team and therefore it's difficult to make an early judgment.

I love how all the VT fans are falling for the early hype train. Just like Clemson last year. Meanwhile, Miami is quietly enjoying an impressive (and healthy) spring....

What the hell is healthy about us? Colin McCarthy, Eric Moncur, Travis Benjamin, Joel Figeroa, Javarris James, Lee Chambers, Dedrick Epps, Allen Bailey, Adewale Ojomo and Brandon McGee all out with injuries. What on earth is healthy about that?

That's 3/4 of our starting DL out. 1/3 of our starting LBs out. Our starting TE out. Both our primary backup runningbacks out. A starting OL out and a starting WR out.

There is nothing healthy about us right now.

[JoeyJr09]

That doesn't change the fact that BC can't beat VT when it matters. VT doesn't fall for the early hype train, they ride it to ACC championships.

Please, anyone that watched the ACC last year knows how flawed your team is and how lucky you were to even be in the ACCGC last year.

The hype this year is coming from you winning it last year. But the people that really followed it (except for homer VT fans) don't buy that crap.

The only reason you guys even got in the game was because our 25 freshman finally hit a wall against GT and sucked the last few games or you wouldn't have even been in the game at all.

You backed your way in.

[BamaFalcon59]

Please, anyone that watched the ACC last year knows how flawed your team is and how lucky you were to even be in the ACCGC last year.

The hype this year is coming from you winning it last year. But the people that really followed it (except for homer VT fans) don't buy that crap.

The only reason you guys even got in the game was because our 25 freshman finally hit a wall against GT and sucked the last few games or you wouldn't have even been in the game at all.

You backed your way in.

No, we didn't. We won our last couple games while Miami choked. And we had tiebreakers on NC and GT.

[JoeyJr09]

No, we didn't. We won our last couple games while Miami choked. And we had tiebreakers on NC and GT.

Exactly, you backed on based on tiebreakers and Miami loses.

Did I not make that clear?

[vatech=accdomination]

I am sorry VT beat the teams they needed to beat(everyone in the Coastal but Miami), and Miami did not? I am sorry Frank Beamer is an excellent coach and maybe he does not win NC's, but he knows how to win in general, even if his team is not loaded with the best talent

And I was not just talking about last year, I am talking about the 2 other ACC Championships we won as well.

[etk]

That doesn't change the fact that BC can't beat VT when it matters. VT doesn't fall for the early hype train, they ride it to ACC championships.

I don't think either team will be in the championship game. That's the point.

What the hell is healthy about us? Colin McCarthy, Eric Moncur, Travis Benjamin, Joel Figeroa, Javarris James, Lee Chambers, Dedrick Epps, Allen Bailey, Adewale Ojomo and Brandon McGee all out with injuries. What on earth is healthy about that?

That's 3/4 of our starting DL out. 1/3 of our starting LBs out. Our starting TE out. Both our primary backup runningbacks out. A starting OL out and a starting WR out.

There is nothing healthy about us right now.

Those guys will all be fine by game time (except maybe Epps). Plus most of those injuries came from before the spring, hence why it was a healthy spring.

Randy himself said he was very happy with where we are health-wise. Every team has injuries but we came out pretty clean and I wouldn't trade it for another shot.

IDK why you think injuries are a problem....you're the only person I've seen that felt that way.

Please, anyone that watched the ACC last year knows how flawed your team is and how lucky you were to even be in the ACCGC last year.

The hype this year is coming from you winning it last year. But the people that really followed it (except for homer VT fans) don't buy that crap.

The only reason you guys even got in the game was because our 25 freshman finally hit a wall against GT and sucked the last few games or you wouldn't have even been in the game at all.

You backed your way in.

Exactly. VT is returning a team that got lucky to back into the ACCCG, beat a mediocre BC team without their QB and then a mediocre Cincinnati team for an Orange Bowl win. Their preseason hype stems from the fact that they won an Orange Bowl and returned most of their team. It's impressive on paper, but not when you realize that VT wasn't that good last year and they're still not that good.

[vatech=accdomination]

What is everyone else then, lol?

[JoeyJr09]

Like I said, only VT fans think that ACCCG berth was earned by them.

Everyone else saw them sitting and praying for the proper tiebreakers so they could sneak in.

[vatech=accdomination]

they lost 1 game in the coastal division.....everyone else lost 2, looks fair and square to me.

They beat the only other team that was tied with them head to head, or is that an unfair tiebreaker?

Wheres the superior team at?


Atlantic Coast Conference - Coastal
W-L PF PA W-L PF PA STRK
Virginia Tech 5-3 151 138 10-4 309 234 W4
Georgia Tech 5-3 180 156 9-4 317 264 L1
North Carolina 4-4 184 169 8-5 360 275 L1
Miami (FL) 4-4 219 220 7-6 352 314 L3
Virginia 3-5 125 143 5-7 193 260 -
Duke 1-7 139 212 4-8 241 281 -


Expanded Home Road AP USA

Virginia Tech 8-0 2-4 2-1 2-1
Georgia Tech 6-2 3-2 2-1 2-1
North Carolina 5-3 3-2 1-2 1-1
Miami (FL) 4-2 3-4 1-3 1-4
Virginia 4-3 1-4 1-2 1-2
Duke 3-4 1-4 0-2 0-2

[adschofield]

As much as I would like that to happen, I don't think it will. The defense should still be solid, assuming they can at least try and replace Raji and Brace (no easy task), the OL will be solid as always, QB is a huge question mark, but the loss of Raji and Brace will bring the defense down some, even if the defense is still good.

You a BC fan? I really haven't followed ACC football the last few years, but could you give me some players to watch for that could have some impact?

Also, how's the B-ball team looking for next year?

[BRAVEHEART]

I like NCstate as my darkhorse.

[BamaFalcon59]

Lol at the Miami fans making excuses for Virginia Tech. winning the ACC. Again.

It's pretty bad when you are more concerned with why one team continues to win, rather than why yours can't.

[BigJohn98]

The NCAA makes yet another bad decision and denies Corey Surrency's appeal for another year of eligability.

[JoeyJr09]

With 2 weeks left in the season VT was sitting around praying for Miami to lose. With 1 week left to play, they were still praying for certain situations to happen so they could with the tiebreaker.

Please tell me where you guys were a clear cut better team then anyone else in the division? GT had the same record as you and Miami and UNC where within a game. You guys got timely losses by the other teams and a tiebreaker to give you the chance in the game.

ACCCG or not, there's nothing in the numbers above to suggest your significantly better then Miami, GT or UNC. Yet the hype you are getting suggests otherwise. That's all I'm trying to say.

[JoeyJr09]

The NCAA makes yet another bad decision and denies Corey Surrency's appeal for another year of eligability.

Isn't the guy like 26 already? Time to move on.

[Bigburt63]

You a BC fan? I really haven't followed ACC football the last few years, but could you give me some players to watch for that could have some impact?

Also, how's the B-ball team looking for next year?

I follow them, albeit not very closely, because they are the only really big team around here (I'm not a UCONN fan personally), and I know a few guys on the team. Everyone knows Herzlich is a beast, but the MLB McGlaughlin (Sp?) is underrated IMO, and they have a few young DB's who could be good. The two freshman RB's Hayden and Harris are promising. The O-line is always very solid, even if they don't have a standout player like an Oher, J Smith or A Smith. Their biggest problem this year will be replacing Raji AND Brace. They brought in a big DT recruit from Dillon Quinn who should help that transition a bit, but he is still a freshman. BC needs to pick it up recruiting wise, they didn't even land the top two recruits from Mass last year (Lynch the TE, signed with Georgia, and the OT from CM who signed with North Carolina).

As for hoops, I know that losing Rice is gonna be a huge blow. They are a very inconsistent team (i.e. beating UNC @ Chapel Hill but then losing at home to Harvard). BJ Raji's brother, Corey, is one of, if not their best player.

[BamaFalcon59]

With 2 weeks left in the season VT was sitting around praying for Miami to lose. With 1 week left to play, they were still praying for certain situations to happen so they could with the tiebreaker.

Please tell me where you guys were a clear cut better team then anyone else in the division? GT had the same record as you and Miami and UNC where within a game. You guys got timely losses by the other teams and a tiebreaker to give you the chance in the game.

ACCCG or not, there's nothing in the numbers above to suggest your significantly better then Miami, GT or UNC. Yet the hype you are getting suggests otherwise. That's all I'm trying to say.

With one week left all we had to do was win. Or at least that's how I remember it.

We won as many games as GT, and beat them head to head. We shut down their best player. They had their opportunity.

UM choked the last two games, and UNC lost to NC State. Neither has the right to say anything.

Sure, we needed other teams to lose. So did every other team in the ACC at some point. But in the end we were at top, slim lead or not.

And we return almost our whole team, so I feel fine about this upcoming season.

Our offense should be leaps and boounds better with Tyrod's development without Glennon, our receivers (all freshman last season) being more experienced, and the influx of new, talented players to it who had new dimensions to our game (Logan Thomas/ DJ Coles the redzone threat, Ryan Williams for the big plays).

Not worried about the defense. Never will be as long as Bud Foster is here.

Just wait for Ryan Williams at runningback. Players have called him the quickest player they saw all of last season, some said the most talented player on the team, and coaches have called him the most talented back VT has ever had. And Kevin Jones was the number one recruit in the country.

[JoeyJr09]

With one week left all we had to do was win. Or at least that's how I remember it.

We won as many games as GT, and beat them head to head. We shut down their best player. They had their opportunity.

UM choked the last two games, and UNC lost to NC State. Neither has the right to say anything.

Sure, we needed other teams to lose. So did every other team in the ACC at some point. But in the end we were at top, slim lead or not.

And we return almost our whole team, so I feel fine about this upcoming season.

Our offense should be leaps and boounds better with Tyrod's development without Glennon, our receivers (all freshman last season) being more experienced, and the influx of new, talented players to it who had new dimensions to our game (Logan Thomas/ DJ Coles the redzone threat, Ryan Williams for the big plays).

Not worried about the defense. Never will be as long as Bud Foster is here.

Just wait for Ryan Williams at runningback. Players have called him the quickest player they saw all of last season, some said the most talented player on the team, and coaches have called him the most talented back VT has ever had. And Kevin Jones was the number one recruit in the country.

Agreed, which is exactly what I'm getting at.

You were on top sure. But one bounce of the ball and it could have easily been any of GT, Miami or UNC in your place. So yea you were better, but the media hype machine is making in seem like you guys are the class of the ACC this year and that's not the case. If last year is any indication, the bounce of the ball will swing in another teams favor this year. Thats the way the ACC has been lately.

You might feel good about the guys your brought back but so does GT, UNC, Miami and various others.

As for Miami, althought you lost very little, Miami lost absolutely nothing to graduation or the draft all of our freshman class is now older along with one of the better incoming freshmen classes coming in. (I know you guys had good freshmen too, but let's face it, Miami had the best freshman class int he country last year and if your gonna bring up Ryan Williams, then I'll bring up Tommy Streeter, Ray Ray Armstrong, Kendal Thompkins and various others that can make as much if not more of an impact then Williams will.)

[BamaFalcon59]

Agreed, which is exactly what I'm getting at.

You were on top sure. But one bounce of the ball and it could have easily been any of GT, Miami or UNC in your place. So yea you were better, but the media hype machine is making in seem like you guys are the class of the ACC this year and that's not the case. If last year is any indication, the bounce of the ball will swing in another teams favor this year. Thats the way the ACC has been lately.

You might feel good about the guys your brought back but so does GT, UNC, Miami and various others.

As for Miami, althought you lost very little, Miami lost absolutely nothing to graduation or the draft all of our freshman class is now older along with one of the better incoming freshmen classes coming in. (I know you guys had good freshmen too, but let's face it, Miami had the best freshman class int he country last year and if your gonna bring up Ryan Williams, then I'll bring up Tommy Streeter, Ray Ray Armstrong, Kendal Thompkins and various others that can make as much if not more of an impact then Williams will.)

I'm not even going to argue on Williams. Those guys won't have the impact Williams will, and I suspect it won't be close. He's going to be very, very special.

Those guys may be good as well, but I doubt they have the impact on the Canes that Williams will on VT.

[JoeyJr09]

Good God, your swear VT had never landed a highly ranked recruited with all the hype Williams gets from them.

What happens if Williams struggles to adjust?

[BamaFalcon59]

Good God, your swear VT had never landed a highly ranked recruited with all the hype Williams gets from them.

What happens if Williams struggles to adjust?

First off, he is the only player I'm hyping like this. Well, him and Nick Acree but he's not here yet. LT was higher ranked for the majority of the recruiting season, and David Wilson was rated higher (albeit LT and DW were in a different class).

The reason I'm hyping Williams is not only because of what he did in highschool, but because of what the ones around him are saying.

For longtime coaches to say he is the most talented back to come through, for seniors to say he may be the most talented player on the roster (actually someone said a player said he was the best on the roster), Barry Sanders nickname from teammates...of course I have high expectations.

He struggled with pass protection as a true freshman, which is why he redshirted. Apparently that is better now. From practice reports (Spring, last Spring, and practice squad last season) he definitely isn't struggling adapting to running the ball or doing things with it when it is in his hands.

And he has gotten bigger, he was 5'10" 207 before/ during last season. Decent size for a true freshman. Not sure what he is now.

I wouldn't doubt him, along with David Wilson, forcing Darren Evans to the Antonio Pittman or Steve Slaton route: leaving school early due to expected loss of carries to younger and better players.

But yeah, it is Worilds for the Juniors, Ryan Williams for the Freshman, and Nick Acree with this recruiting class. Tyrod has ability to enter this group if he steps his passing up.

[maryandy111]

He has been the loss of more talent, I am looking forward to their game!

[vatech=accdomination]

With 2 weeks left in the season VT was sitting around praying for Miami to lose. With 1 week left to play, they were still praying for certain situations to happen so they could with the tiebreaker.

Please tell me where you guys were a clear cut better team then anyone else in the division? GT had the same record as you and Miami and UNC where within a game. You guys got timely losses by the other teams and a tiebreaker to give you the chance in the game.

ACCCG or not, there's nothing in the numbers above to suggest your significantly better then Miami, GT or UNC. Yet the hype you are getting suggests otherwise. That's all I'm trying to say.


VT was 2-1 against the teams you just listed......GT was 1-2, Miami was 1-2, UNC was 2-1.....VT had the tiebreaker HEAD-TO-HEAD over UNC, tell me they were not better, wins talk.

And I am still more excited for David Wilson than I am for Ryan Williams, but I guess I will have to see Williams at the spring game to get a better feel for him.

[JoeyJr09]

I didnt say you werent better. U won the conference. Im not an idiot.

Im just pointing out that it was extremely close. All of GT, VT, UNC and Miami were in it in some way shape or form during the last week. The media is hyping u guys like crazy ( I think ESPN had u at number 8) But in reality, all of UNC, Miami, GT and VT are very closely matched and none deserved to be ranked that high.

BTW...save the wins talk crap. We beat you. But I guess that win only whispers to u guys.

[BamaFalcon59]

I didnt say you werent better. U won the conference. Im not an idiot.

Im just pointing out that it was extremely close. All of GT, VT, UNC and Miami were in it in some way shape or form during the last week. The media is hyping u guys like crazy ( I think ESPN had u at number 8) But in reality, all of UNC, Miami, GT and VT are very closely matched and none deserved to be ranked that high.

BTW...save the wins talk crap. We beat you. But I guess that win only whispers to u guys.

It was a good win, but it doesn't overcome our ten wins to your seven.

[etk]

I'm not even going to argue on Williams. Those guys won't have the impact Williams will, and I suspect it won't be close. He's going to be very, very special.

Those guys may be good as well, but I doubt they have the impact on the Canes that Williams will on VT.

Do you realize how many young new impact players we have on our roster? Joey made a short list but it doesn't even describe the kind of newcomers we have (i.e. Brandon Washington who some predict will be our best OL this year). I suspect 1 of the dozens will at least "come close to the impact of Jesus Williams".

But then again Williams should have a big impact on VT, even if he's merely decent....decent is a huge upgrade over Darren Evans.

[BamaFalcon59]

Do you realize how many young new impact players we have on our roster? Joey made a short list but it doesn't even describe the kind of newcomers we have (i.e. Brandon Washington who some predict will be our best OL this year). I suspect 1 of the dozens will at least "come close to the impact of Jesus Williams".

But then again Williams should have a big impact on VT, even if he's merely decent....decent is a huge upgrade over Darren Evans.

Right.

1,200+ yards as a freshman and over 100 yards in four of his last six.

Pretty sure he is more than decent.

[Sniper]

Right.

1,200+ yards as a freshman and over 100 yards in four of his last six.

Pretty sure he is more than decent.

Pretty sure 4.4 yards per carry is average.

[BamaFalcon59]

Nah.

Javon Ringer was pretty good last year, yeah?

When a player is a pounder and lacks a lot of big plays his average is lower. Explosive backs may not be as consistently good, but average more yards per attempt.

[etk]

IDC about stats. I watch Evans and he looks like a mediocre back....at best.

I wouldn't touch him in the draft and he'd be 7th on the depth chart at UM.

[BamaFalcon59]

And I laugh. Just like I laughed when I read that Antonio Bryant is better than Roddy White.

Silly Cane.

[Sniper]

Nah.

Javon Ringer was pretty good last year, yeah?

When a player is a pounder and lacks a lot of big plays his average is lower. Explosive backs may not be as consistently good, but average more yards per attempt.

Javon Ringer just got a lot of carries. He tapered off big-time in the second half. Jonathan Dwyer averaged 6.98 yards per carry. He must be a real speed demon. Shonn Greene averaged 6.03 yards per carry. Ringer and Evans were the only two backs in the top 10 in the nation (carries-wise) to average less than 4.8 yards per carry.

Try again.

[etk]

And I laugh. Just like I laughed when I read that Antonio Bryant is better than Roddy White.

Silly Cane.

What's to laugh about?
(in no order)
Graig Cooper
Javarris James
Mike James
Lamar Miller
Damien Berry
Lee Chambers
Darren Evans

And Bryant is better than White. It's obviously very close and the 2 have different strengths/weaknesses, but Bryant has slightly more ability and a slightly more impressive year last year (considering environment).

[BamaFalcon59]

Javon Ringer just got a lot of carries. He tapered off big-time in the second half. Jonathan Dwyer averaged 6.98 yards per carry. He must be a real speed demon. Shonn Greene averaged 6.03 yards per carry. Ringer and Evans were the only two backs in the top 10 in the nation (carries-wise) to average less than 4.8 yards per carry.

Try again.

Like always, a punk.

I said a pounder who is not explosive.

Maybe you don't watch games, pretty sure you do not, but Dwyer was very, very explosive last season.

Greene one of the best backs in college football, he also had at least one twenty yard run in eight games.

His average in games without a twenty yard run was significantly lower.

Evans is a pounder. He will be, once again, more productive than any back on Michigan's roster. And he will do it splitting carries.

Let's not rehash this garbage arguement.

[BamaFalcon59]

What's to laugh about?
(in no order)
Graig Cooper
Javarris James
Mike James
Lamar Miller
Damien Berry
Lee Chambers
Darren Evans

And Bryant is better than White. It's obviously very close and the 2 have different strengths/weaknesses, but Bryant has slightly more ability and a slightly more impressive year last year (considering environment).

No.

Really, no.

Evans would be, at worst, third at UM after his season last year. Had Bryce Brown came to UM then fourth at worst. Again, I think he is better than any back on that roster, because he's shown it. They haven't.

And Cooper's 4.9 yard per carry is just so amazing. Funny that is the main selling point over Evans.

And the Bryant over White thing is just funny.

[etk]

No.

Really, no.

Evans would be, at worst, third at UM after his season last year. Had Bryce Brown came to UM then fourth at worst. Again, I think he is better than any back on that roster, because he's shown it. They haven't.

And Cooper's 4.9 yard per carry is just so amazing. Funny that is the main selling point over Evans.

And the Bryant over White thing is just funny.

Based on talent he would be 7th. Based on on-field production he would be first, obviously, but there are different factors that contribute to rushing statistics.

I really don't care about these statistics. Cooper has game-breaking ability. He needs run more decisively, and if he does he will dominate all year. If he doesn't, he'll still be slightly less mediocre than Evans.

[Sniper]

Like always, a punk.

I said a pounder who is not explosive.

So basically, a slow **** with no speed or agility?

Maybe you don't watch games, pretty sure you do not, but Dwyer was very, very explosive last season.

:rolleyes: Right, just because I don't agree with you, it means that I don't watch games.

Greene one of the best backs in college football

According to you, so was Darren Evans. So he has no excuses.

His average in games without a twenty yard run was significantly lower.

Okay? So we should punish him for breaking big runs? Makes sense. :rolleyes: Let's take Evans' big runs away too. Greene still wins.

Evans is a pounder.

So, again, he has no speed or agility? I'm assuming that's your definition since guys like Beanie Wells, Shonn Greene, Jon Dwyer, Gartrell Johnson etc... all smoked Evans' ypc average. But no, they can't be "pounders". What does pounder mean for you? Run into the pile, fall forward and get three yards?

He will be, once again, more productive than any back on Michigan's roster.

A) Because that's what the original argument was. Sweet attempt at trolling.
B) Want to bet that Brandon Minor has a higher ypc than Evans?

Let's not rehash this garbage arguement.

It's "garbage" to you because your ******** argument gets blown the **** out of water every time we do this. All I hear are excuses for why Evans sucks. Evans has one of the bottom 5 ypc averages out of the top 50 in carries from last year, and at least one of those is a QB.

Any dumb **** can run into a pile and not make plays.

Oh, and since speed backs are the only ones who ever make big plays, why is Reggie Bush's pro ypc at 3.7?

[Sniper]

And Cooper's 4.9 yard per carry is just so amazing.

Um, five yards per carry is around average for a starting RB. 4.4? Way under the average.

[BamaFalcon59]

Based on talent he would be 7th. Based on on-field production he would be first, obviously, but there are different factors that contribute to rushing statistics.

I really don't care about these statistics. Cooper has game-breaking ability. He needs run more decisively, and if he does he will dominate all year. If he doesn't, he'll still be slightly less mediocre than Evans.

Cooper was more mediocre than Evans last season.

For a gamebreaker, Cooper is a very average open field back. He doesn't make a ton of big plays for a guy with his supposed skill set.

I don't see much special about Cooper. Not that I see much special about Evans, but he has been more productive and valuable to his team. Evans is an above average power back who has produced very nicely, Cooper is an above average quick back who has not.

[BamaFalcon59]

So basically, a slow **** with no speed or agility?



:rolleyes: Right, just because I don't agree with you, it means that I don't watch games.

Dwyer was explosive, that's not very debatable.

According to you, so was Darren Evans. So he has no excuses.

Greene was top 5, Evans top 25. Big difference.

Okay? So we should punish him for breaking big runs? Makes sense. :rolleyes: Let's take Evans' big runs away too. Greene still wins.

No ****. Reading comprehension helps. I'm saying big plays bump yard per carry averages. Evans lack of big plays and his YPC go hand in hand. He is a consistent runner.

So, again, he has no speed or agility? I'm assuming that's your definition since guys like Beanie Wells, Shonn Greene, Jon Dwyer, Gartrell Johnson etc... all smoked Evans' ypc average. But no, they can't be "pounders". What does pounder mean for you? Run into the pile, fall forward and get three yards?

He has decent straight line speed, little agility.

Again, comparing three top ten backs to Evans. I never said he is or was in their league. And yes, all three are more adept at creating big plays.

Johnson is the only player on the list who is not explosive, and he played inferior competition. 5.3 yard per carry against that competition is about right for a power back. Evans played BC twice, FSU, GT, UM, etc..

A) Because that's what the original argument was. Sweet attempt at trolling.
B) Want to bet that Brandon Minor has a higher ypc than Evans?

I'd bet he has more yards and touchdowns.

It's "garbage" to you because your ******** argument gets blown the **** out of water every time we do this. All I hear are excuses for why Evans sucks. Evans has one of the bottom 5 ypc averages out of the top 50 in carries from last year, and at least one of those is a QB.

People always get mad when losing arguements.

I have stats, you have nothing.

Any dumb **** can run into a pile and not make plays.

Oh, and since speed backs are the only ones who ever make big plays, why is Reggie Bush's pro ypc at 3.7?

I said explosive backs. Reggie Bush has not been an explosive runner.

Please, stop. You're horrible at this and I'm leaving.

[Sniper]

Evans has one of the bottom 5 ypc averages out of the top 50 in carries from last year, and at least one of those is a QB.

I have stats, you have nothing

Still waiting for an explanation on that one...

What ******* stats do you have? Every important stat shows that Evans is nothing more than a run-of-the-mill running back. And of course Evans will get more yards than Minor, since he's going to get a ****load more carries. However, I'll take the ypc bet, unless you're too chicken **** to take it.

I'm assuming you also think Javon Ringer had a better year than Shonn Greene? I mean, he had more carries and more touchdowns, so championship, right?

[etk]

Don't argue stats with Sniper. That's his bread and butter.

[BamaFalcon59]

Still waiting for an explanation on that one...

What ******* stats do you have? Every important stat shows that Evans is nothing more than a run-of-the-mill running back. And of course Evans will get more yards than Minor, since he's going to get a ****load more carries. However, I'll take the ypc bet, unless you're too chicken **** to take it.

I'm assuming you also think Javon Ringer had a better year than Shonn Greene? I mean, he had more carries and more touchdowns, so championship, right?

Stats like yards and touchdowns. Not important at all! Lol.

As for Ringer and Greene...

Evans had 33% more yards than Cooper, 55% more touchdowns, 40% more carries.

Ringer had 12% less yards than Greene, 9% more touchdowns, 21% more carries.

Not a good comparison.

[JoeyJr09]

Can we stop this arguement please?

We all know Evans is just another guy. You could take 2-3 backs from any roster in college, plus them into Evans role last year and get the same results.

Why do we even talk to BF on this one? H is convinced getting alot of carries means your a great back.

[Sniper]

Yards and TDs are important, but they're not always the best reflection of a player. Any college back can get 1,265 yards on 287 carries. For the last ******* time, 4.4 yards per carry, for a collegiate starter, sucks. I don't care how you spin it, it sucks. With TDs, anyone who gets it as much as Evans does in the red zone can score 11 TDs.

Look at Evans' touchdowns...

ECU- 3 yards
Furman- 3 yards
Georgia Tech- 8 yards
UNC- 10 yards
Nebraska- 1 yard, 19 yards
W. Kentucky- 1 yard, 2 yards
BC- No TDs
FSU- No TDs
Maryland- 1 yard
Miami- No TDs
Duke- No TDs
Virginia- No TDs
BC- 10 yards
Cincinnati- 6 yards

Look at that...Not a single Darren Evans TD came from outside the red zone, and all but one came from 10 yards or closer. Over half of his touchdowns came from five yards or closer. I'm sorry, that's not impressive. If you really think that's good, you must also believe that Jehuu Caulcrick, he of the 21 TDs, was the Big 10's best back in 2007.

Evans had the third most carries in the country in the red zone with 74. It's very easy to see why he had 11 TDs. Of the top 10 players for red zone carries, he had the fewest touchdowns.

[BamaFalcon59]

Yards and TDs are important, but they're not always the best reflection of a player. Any college back can get 1,265 yards on 287 carries. For the last ******* time, 4.4 yards per carry, for a collegiate starter, sucks. I don't care how you spin it, it sucks. With TDs, anyone who gets it as much as Evans does in the red zone can score 11 TDs.

Look at Evans' touchdowns...

ECU- 3 yards
Furman- 3 yards
Georgia Tech- 8 yards
UNC- 10 yards
Nebraska- 1 yard, 19 yards
W. Kentucky- 1 yard, 2 yards
BC- No TDs
FSU- No TDs
Maryland- 1 yard
Miami- No TDs
Duke- No TDs
Virginia- No TDs
BC- 10 yards
Cincinnati- 6 yards

Look at that...Not a single Darren Evans TD came from outside the red zone, and all but one came from 10 yards or closer. Over half of his touchdowns came from five yards or closer. I'm sorry, that's not impressive. If you really think that's good, you must also believe that Jehuu Caulcrick, he of the 21 TDs, was the Big 10's best back in 2007.

Evans had the third most carries in the country in the red zone with 74. It's very easy to see why he had 11 TDs. Of the top 10 players for red zone carries, he had the fewest touchdowns.

I've never said he was an amazing, or great, runningback. He is a good runningback who does what he does well. He is a tough player who picks up tough yards and wears down defenses. He isn't shifty, he doesn't make big plays. Because of that he will never be a dynamic talent.

But he does what he does well, and that is why he was a vital part of our offense and vital to us winning the ACC. And the fans love him as well, because of how he plays. Believe me, I'm called a Darren Evans hater on Rivals for saying RW and DW are more talented.

But calling a guy like Evans, who put up big numbers as a freshman against a tough defensive schedule, average is false.

Can we stop this arguement?

[JoeyJr09]

I've never said he was an amazing, or great, runningback. He is a good runningback who does what he does well. He is a tough player who picks up tough yards and wears down defenses. He isn't shifty, he doesn't make big plays. Because of that he will never be a dynamic talent.

But he does what he does well, and that is why he was a vital part of our offense and vital to us winning the ACC. And the fans love him as well, because of how he plays. Believe me, I'm called a Darren Evans hater on Rivals for saying RW and DW are more talented.

But calling a guy like Evans, who put up big numbers as a freshman against a tough defensive schedule, average is false.

Can we stop this arguement?

Isn't that the very definition of average?

[BamaFalcon59]

Isn't that the very definition of average?

No.

He does certain things very well, but top talents at runningback have to be able to make big plays. He doesn't do that.

[vatech=accdomination]

Darren Evans needs a restraining order against this thread.

[BamaFalcon59]

Ryan Williams had a 80-yard touchdown run in our first scrimmage. :)

Eddie Whitley is the next great Virginia Tech. cornerback.

[vatech=accdomination]

Yeah, I have been psyched about Eddie Whitley since I saw him last summer, he reminds me alot of Brandon Flowers.

williams had 8 carries for 122 yards, subtract the 80 yard run and he was still averaging 6 ypc against a bud foster coached defense.