Mark Sanchez Goes Pro

[49erfaithful]

saw it on sportscenter. Offical word expected thursday. Not really surprised since bradford is staying

heres an atricle:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3833465

[ElectricEye]

Good decision with Bradford staying. He had a lot to gain from coming back, but he gets quite the boost stockwise with Bradford staying.

[WMD]

Where's he gonna go?

Seattle?

[Brooder]

Very good choice by Sanchez. I expect him to be the #1 overall pick once the draft comes around. I hope Sanchez likes cold weather.

[gpngc]

I would guess Chiefs.

[ElectricEye]

Doubt he goes top five. 10-15 is much more likely. San Fransisco wouldn't be a bad fit.

['cuse-213]

Maybe Mays will change his mind?

[bored of education]

I love Sanchez as a prospect. He may only have one year starting experience but I thnk he will be a great qb in the nfl.

[wicket]

im almost bummed that the saints dont need a qb cause i like the boy a lot

[WMD]

Yeah.. I'd say he won't get past the Jets at #17.

[BBIB]

Good decision with Bradford staying. He had a lot to gain from coming back, but he gets quite the boost stockwise with Bradford staying.

Good decision? Are you kidding?

He has 16 starts in his career. Below 30 starts is bad enough, this guy has half of that.

Why in the world leave a chance at not only being big man on campus at USC, not only a chance to be a top 5 pick next year, but a chance at improving your chances of succeeding once you get to the pros.

[bearsfan_51]

Yeah top 5 is a bit much for Sanchez. He doesn't really do anything great, was only a one year starter on a team with elite advantages everywhere, and he has issues reading defenses which don't usually show themselves because he has an elite cast to bail him out.

I said in the other thread that I think he's got a top 20 cieling at this point, but I really doubt he goes in the top 5.

[ElectricEye]

Good decision? Are you kidding?

He has 16 starts in his career. Below 30 starts is bad enough, this guy has half of that.

Why in the world leave a chance at not only being big man on campus at USC, not only a chance to be a top 5 pick next year, but a chance at improving your chances of succeeding once you get to the pros.

To be the second quarterback drafted?

[keylime_5]

Right now he seems like a 10-20 type guy, but his upside is so good despite his inexperience and minor injury history, I really could see him going top 5 with a good workout since he is a QB and that is a position that usually goes higher than expected. Who saw Flacco going top 20 this time last year or Vince Young going top 3 before that Rose Bowl game?

[Brooder]

Good decision? Are you kidding?

He has 16 starts in his career. Below 30 starts is bad enough, this guy has half of that.

Why in the world leave a chance at not only being big man on campus at USC, not only a chance to be a top 5 pick next year, but a chance at improving your chances of succeeding once you get to the pros.

He will be picked ahead of Stafford and Detroit will pick a QB. If by some chance the Lions pick Stafford, then the Chiefs will not pass on him.

[BBIB]

To be the second quarterback drafted?

He'd be guaranteed to at least be drafted that high next year if not guaranteed 1st overall.

The scouts would be obsessed with his style of play and arm strength over Bradford.

This was a short sighted decision or at least one all about the money.

He will be picked ahead of Stafford and Detroit will pick a QB. If by some chance the Lions pick Stafford, then the Chiefs will not pass on him.

Its not about draft stock, he'd obviously be a top 2 QB taken next year.

It's about how few starts he has. 16 freaking starts this guy has and he's probably going to a team that will want him to start within the first year and a half.

That's a recipe for disaster.

[illmatic74]

Mark Sanchez could be really good but if I am running a team he is too much of a risk in the first round. He has only started 16 games and while his overall stats are great some games he looked just average.

[ElectricEye]

He'd be guaranteed to at least be drafted that high next year if not guaranteed 1st overall.

The scouts would be obsessed with his style of play and arm strength over Bradford.

This was a short sighted decision or at least one all about the money.


I don't think coming out to be a top twenty pick is ever a bad decision, personally. I can see where you're coming from, but you gotta strike while the iron is hot.

How his limited experience effects his NFL career is another thing entirely.

[thenewfeature06]

Mark Sanchez could be really good but if I am running a team he is too much of a risk in the first round. He has only started 16 games and while his overall stats are great so games he looked just average.

Couldnt agree any more he doesnt have enough experience...not to mention translatin your game from college to nfl is extreemy difficult... we'll see but i wouldnt touch him in the first

[Brooder]

Sanchez even though he only started 1.5 years at USC, still has had 4 years at USC, one being a redshirt year. Sanchez actually is one age class higher than Bradford so that played into his decision. Sanchez showed in the Rose Bowl, he can make all the throws and reminds many people of Carson Palmer.

[Geo]

I don't like this decision, he absolutely needed another year at Southern Cal imo to prove himself a first round quarterback. Maybe he'll get lucky this year and get a team in the Top 20 to bite, like bf51 wisely notes as teams in the 17-20 range are in need of a long-term QB, but I don't like this at all. He's not close to being ready.

[Xiomera]

He's getting picked by the Bears.

[Burns336]

I keep hearing everyone refer to the "elite talent" Sanchez was surrounded by...

You guys are acting like he had Matt Leinarts surrounding cast.

Please tell me who is so great on his team? Can you even name any of their O-lineman?

Patrick Turner? Ronald Johnson? Damien Williams?

Sure Damien is pretty good, but he sure as hell isn't playing with Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith.

Not to mention his rushing attack wasn't anything that the other qb's didn't have as well.

Knowshon, Massaqoi, Green > Williams, Mcknight, Turner

The guy is good and he is a winner. I wish he would come back for another year because I believe he would be the first QB taken next year, not to mention he would get some more experience.

But, he is a natural leader, he's a spark for his team, he's got a good arm, GREAT pocket awareness, and he's coming from a pro system.

I challenge all of you citing the "elite talent" surrounding him to name some players or some specifics.

Don't get the star studded defense mixed up with the offense.

[Scott Wright]

We will see what happens here...

My gut tells me this may change, whether it be tomorrow or during the four day buffer period he has to reverse course.

[Brooder]

Also don't use the argument Sanchez hasn't started many games. It's all about the situation you are put in nd to prove my point, look at Matt Cassell. This might sound crazy but Cassell''s success at USC, might boost Sanchez stock this April and make him the #1 selection over Stafford.

[Geo]

Sanchez being the #2 QB instead of Josh Freeman is hardly a lock, I think.

[bearsfan_51]

Also don't use the argument Sanchez hasn't started many games. It's all about the situation you are put in nd to prove my point, look at Matt Cassell. This might sound crazy but Cassell''s success at USC, might boost Sanchez stock this April and make him the #1 selection over Stafford.
It's not just crazy, it's stupid.

[Geo]

Also don't use the argument Sanchez hasn't started many games. It's all about the situation you are put in nd to prove my point, look at Matt Cassell. This might sound crazy but Cassell''s success at USC, might boost Sanchez stock this April and make him the #1 selection over Stafford.
Matt Cassel, like Tony Romo, didn't start a game until his fourth season in the NFL. They had a chance to develop. A first round QB will never have that same opportunity.

Plus this kid isn't even finished developing in college yet, when he had a perfect opportunity playing with great players in a good offense to learn.

This is like Matt Ryan declaring as a junior imo.

[Brooder]

It's not just crazy, it's stupid.

Why? Cassell never started a game at USC and right now he is a Top 10 QB in the NFL. Being from USC will also boost Sanchez's stock.

[bearsfan_51]

Why? Cassell never started a game at USC and right now he is a Top 10 QB in the NFL. Being from USC will also boost Sanchez's stock.
No dude. That's beyond Matt Millen stupid. You don't draft a player based on what college they went to, and you certainly don't do it based on the production of people from their college already in the NFL.

You can take the same faulty logic and say that since Carson Palmer got hurt this year that will damage Sanchez's stock because he's likely to be injury prone.

[regoob2]

Why? Cassell never started a game at USC and right now he is a Top 10 QB in the NFL. Being from USC will also boost Sanchez's stock.
Would Leinart being from USC hurt his stock?

[illmatic74]

Why? Cassell never started a game at USC and right now he is a Top 10 QB in the NFL. Being from USC will also boost Sanchez's stock.Because like Geo said first rounder's don't get that amount of time to develop. Also Cassel is not a top 10 QB. Sanchez had some games that he was just average in.

[Brooder]

Would Leinart being from USC hurt his stock?

I'm not saying it's right but players from big time universities are sometimes over-valued.

[Brooder]

Because like Geo said first rounder's don't get that amount of time to develop. Also Cassel is not a top 10 QB. Sanchez had some games that he was just average in.

Name 10 quarterbacks you would rather have than Cassell.

[bored of education]

Name 10 quarterbacks you would rather have than Cassell.

Palmer, Manning, Brady, McNabb, Warner, Cutler, Rivers, Manning 2, Big Ben

[regoob2]

Manning
Brady
Cutler
Rivers
Big Ben
Matt Ryan
Brees
Warner
McNabb
Rodgers
Eli
Carson Palmer

[BBIB]

No doubt as ridiculous as it sounds, Matt Cassel will help Sanchez stock.

But the problem with the team that is suckered into that logic, is they are overlooking the fact that he sat for all those years and the unbelievable cast he had once he started

[Xiomera]

No dude. That's beyond Matt Millen stupid. You don't draft a player based on what college they went to, and you certainly don't do it based on the production of people from their college already in the NFL.

You can take the same faulty logic and say that since Carson Palmer got hurt this year that will damage Sanchez's stock because he's likely to be injury prone.

Will Martin Mayhew be a bust because Matt Millen preceded him in Detroit?

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Bruce Banner]

Cassel isn't even in the equation. Seriously, wtf?

[slightlyaraiderfan]

****!!!!

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[GO_Chiefs]

Sanchez is going to keep skyrocketing as the draft nears. I see him in the top 5.

[Brooder]

Manning
Brady
Cutler
Rivers
Big Ben
Matt Ryan
Brees
Warner
McNabb
Rodgers
Eli
Carson Palmer

A healthy Brady yes. Cutler, Rodgers and Ryan a big time no.

[Babylon]

Sanchez is going to keep skyrocketing as the draft nears. I see him in the top 5.

Unless it's KC i don't see him top 5. Will probably get a look from the Niners then the Jets and Vikings. Not sure what the combine and personal workouts are going to tell scouts they dont already know. Also hopefully the knee is sound too.

[regoob2]

A healthy Brady yes. Cutler, Rodgers and Ryan a big time no.
A big time yes.

[hockey619]

Um 1st round qbs will never get time to sit and learn for years? what about aaron rodgers? He was a first rounder he sat for three years.

I love Sanchez as a prospect, but I think he should have gone back. I still like his odds at being a great qb, but I think his odds of being great would be significantly better if he got another year in. It would give him a chance to work out some inconsistencies and prove the Rose Bowl is really how good he is and not a one game deal.

I still think hes great though and will easily be the number 2 QB (1 in my opinion). Scouts will probably move Stafford clearly ahead when he has his workouts cause of his arm.

[keylime_5]

Because like Geo said first rounder's don't get that amount of time to develop. Also Cassel is not a top 10 QB. Sanchez had some games that he was just average in.

Indeed.
I could be a top 10 QB in the Patriots' system.

[Bruce Banner]

Would you guys consider Sanchez a jack of all trades, master of none?

[Brooder]

Um 1st round qbs will never get time to sit and learn for years? what about aaron rodgers? He was a first rounder he sat for three years.

I love Sanchez as a prospect, but I think he should have gone back. I still like his odds at being a great qb, but I think his odds of being great would be significantly better if he got another year in. It would give him a chance to work out some inconsistencies and prove the Rose Bowl is really how good he is and not a one game deal.

I still think hes great though and will easily be the number 2 QB (1 in my opinion). Scouts will probably move Stafford clearly ahead when he has his workouts cause of his arm.

Good point, Palmer sat for a year and turned out pretty good.

[illmatic74]

Good point, Palmer sat for a year and turned out pretty good.Palmer has a lot better physical tools and had a better year as a senior. Sanchez still had a lot to prove in college.

[Babylon]

Would you guys consider Sanchez a jack of all trades, master of none?

No, i'd give him high marks for leadership, arm strength and accuracy. Doesnt have a Joe Flacco/Matt Stafford arm but could have similar success to a Matt Ryan.

[The Dynasty]

I'm hoping as of right now that he falls down to the 15th or 16th pick were the Vikings could trade up to get him. But I doubt by the time the draft comes His Stock will either Rise to a point its a lot to trade to get him or he might fall to the vikings.

[illmatic74]

No, i'd give him high Marks for leadership, arm strength and accuracy. Doesnt have a Joe Flacco/Matt Stafford arm but could have similar success to a Matt Ryan.But Ryan was a seasoned veteran who showed top intangibles.

[Brooder]

Palmer has a lot better physical tools and had a better year as a senior. Sanchez still had a lot to prove in college.

Palmer: 309/489 63.2% 3942 33/10
Sanchez: 241/366 65.8% 3207 34/10

Palmer threw for more yards partly because he got to throw more than Sanchez and also at a lower percentage.

[Bruce Banner]

double-posted to avoid sticking it in with the silliness above:

am i really the only one who likes sanchez substantially more than stafford? i don't disagree that he'd benefit from more time at USC, but i was... underwhelmed, to put it extremely mildly, by stafford in the games i watched. i liked sanchez a lot more, although i saw him a lot less (maybe i just caught him for a couple of great games and he looked worse the rest of the season... *shrug*).

probably the only one when you use the word substantially.


but I too was underwhelmed by Stafford. All I saw was arm.

[SenorGato]

double-posted to avoid sticking it in with the silliness above:

am i really the only one who likes sanchez substantially more than stafford? i don't disagree that he'd benefit from more time at USC, but i was... underwhelmed, to put it extremely mildly, by stafford in the games i watched. i liked sanchez a lot more, although i saw him a lot less (maybe i just caught him for a couple of great games and he looked worse the rest of the season... *shrug*).

Right now probably. I think he's 1B to Stafford's 1A, but with a very legit shot at passing him.

I kind of wish he stayed, but maybe the Jets get lucky and one of those 2 hits them at 17. If anything, it's looking more and more like we'll get a pretty sick player.

[illmatic74]

double-posted to avoid sticking it in with the silliness above:

am i really the only one who likes sanchez substantially more than stafford? i don't disagree that he'd benefit from more time at USC, but i was... underwhelmed, to put it extremely mildly, by stafford in the games i watched. i liked sanchez a lot more, although i saw him a lot less (maybe i just caught him for a couple of great games and he looked worse the rest of the season... *shrug*).Sanchez was underwhelming to me when I saw him against Oregon State and Notre Dame. He seemed like he needed another year.

[Babylon]

probably the only one when you use the word substantially.


but I too was underwhelmed by Stafford. All I saw was arm.

What? don't go soft on me now.

[BandwagonPunditry]

Also don't use the argument Sanchez hasn't started many games. It's all about the situation you are put in nd to prove my point, look at Matt Cassell. This might sound crazy but Cassell''s success at USC, might boost Sanchez stock this April and make him the #1 selection over Stafford.

Only if Detroit acquires someone to play QB whilst he sits to adjust. I'm rapidly becoming a fan of sitting QBs whether they're considered ready or not. Detroit really needs to look at the example we set with Alex Smith (no OC stability, poor relations with the coaches, no sitting, huge expectations without a supporting cast - we were even nice enough to give him a pants O-line and get him injured.) and use that as an example of how not to treat your number 1 overall QB. They need to be patient, it's not as if they're going to have all the pieces for instant success next year, sitting whoever they choose to draft behind an FA might play well for them.

San Fran isn't a bad fit for Sanchez but drafting a QB to develop will take a lower priority (mid-late round) after more pressing needs. We'll probably address: FS, RT, OLB with our first rounder, or should at any rate...

[Brooder]

I think eventually Sanchez will go ahead of Stafford. Stafford when he played Florida, looked really bad. Even with a first round running back, good line and late first/early WR in Massaquoi, Stafford was 18/33 with 0 TDs and 3 INT. In the big games, Stafford dissappeared this year and that's highly concerning to me. Heck, the Utah QB looked better than him in their game against Bama.

[Bruce Banner]

What? don't go soft on me now.

upon further inspection. he looked like how beasley looked to me in college, aloof.

maybe, its just too easy for him, that what was going on with beasley.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh no. Don't you compare Stafford to Beasley.

[Flyboy]

double-posted to avoid sticking it in with the silliness above:

am i really the only one who likes sanchez substantially more than stafford? i don't disagree that he'd benefit from more time at USC, but i was... underwhelmed, to put it extremely mildly, by stafford in the games i watched. i liked sanchez a lot more, although i saw him a lot less (maybe i just caught him for a couple of great games and he looked worse the rest of the season... *shrug*).

Wow, I actually agree with njx... a lot. Crazy!

[Don Vito]

Stafford has all of the tools to be a great QB when it comes to the size and the cannon of an arm, plus he has more experience than Sanchez. I do think Sanchez is the better quarterback, however. Sanchez doesn't have the cannon that Stafford has, few QB's do, but he is consistently more accurate and looks like a natural quarterback. Stafford has a higher ceiling because of that arm, but I think he has a higher potential to bust as well. Not saying he will be a bust, I just think Sanchez is a safer pick and could be a better all around quarterback. Stafford can make throws that will make your jaw drop though, he throws a beautiful ball.

[illmatic74]

I think eventually Sanchez will go ahead of Stafford. Stafford when he played Florida, looked really bad. Even with a first round running back, good line and late first/early WR in Massaquoi, Stafford was 18/33 with 0 TDs and 3 INT. In the big games, Stafford dissappeared this year and that's highly concerning to me. Heck, the Utah QB looked better than him in their game against Bama.Mark Sanchez threw 3 picks against mighty Arizona State so he hasn't been perfect either. Stafford has a higher upside, more experienced and was also given more responsibilities with play calling. Stafford is clearly the #1 guy.

[Babylon]

upon further inspection. he looked like how beasley looked to me in college, aloof.

maybe, its just too easy for him, that what was going on with beasley.


He looked fat
His parents have money
He has bad hair
Looks like Beasley

I'm going to bring all this minutia up at a later date to remind you guys.

[Bruce Banner]

He looked fat
His parents have money
He has bad hair
Looks like Beasley

I'm going to bring all this minutia up at a later date to remind you guys.

I'm lost lol

[CC.SD]

&**(^*(%)*(^*(!

Well.

At least now the Lions have a shot at drafting Stafford AND Sanchez.

[TouchdownUSC]

I think this is a horrible decision from Sanchez. Coach Carroll, Leinart and even his parents wanted him to stay one more year and its not as if he had nothing left to play for coming into this season. He had a chance to go to the BCS and win the heisman and he was already a lock to be a first round pick. I'm not just saying this because I am a USC fan either. This move is bad for USC and bad for Sanchez but I wish him well.

[MidwayMonster31]

Sanchez has good mechanics, a good arm and is a great leader. The reason that experience is a knock on him is because it can affect his decision making. The more that he is exposed to, the better decisions he can make, because he won't get beat by something he's never seen before. I also think that he is untested. He rarely got pressured, he never had to lead a comeback and we don't know what will happen after taking some hard hits and having a bad stretch of games that shake his confidence.
There are too many unknowns for Sanchez to be the top pick this year. I agree with everyone who said 10-20.

[TouchdownUSC]

Well he tried to lead comebacks against Oregon last year and Oregon St this year, unfortunately both attempts led to a loss. I think the sky is the limit for Sanchez but I really wish he would reconsider and give himself one more year to develop. There is way more to gain by coming back than going pro early

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

Good, Mitch should be the starter next year then. IMO he's better than Stafford, Mitch that is.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

double-posted to avoid sticking it in with the silliness above:

am i really the only one who likes sanchez substantially more than stafford? i don't disagree that he'd benefit from more time at USC, but i was... underwhelmed, to put it extremely mildly, by stafford in the games i watched. i liked sanchez a lot more, although i saw him a lot less (maybe i just caught him for a couple of great games and he looked worse the rest of the season... *shrug*).

I like Sanchez more than Stafford but not substantially. Sanchez has a strong arm(which people don't give him credit for.), not as strong as Stafford's, but still strong. Sanchez has picture perfect mechanics and is mobile. He reminds me of Aaron Rodgers, while Stafford sort of reminds me of Eli Manning.

[Babylon]

Good, Mitch should be the starter next year then. IMO he's better than Stafford, Mitch that is.

Mustain better than Stafford? is there a happy hour going on somewhere i dont know about.

[Zyro_1014]

Good decision? Are you kidding?

He has 16 starts in his career. Below 30 starts is bad enough, this guy has half of that.

Why in the world leave a chance at not only being big man on campus at USC, not only a chance to be a top 5 pick next year, but a chance at improving your chances of succeeding once you get to the pros.

he will likely end up in a better situation this year.

[Zyro_1014]

Mustain better than Stafford? is there a happy hour going on somewhere i dont know about.

well he was ranked ahead of him coming out of high school, but that doesnt mean anything now.

[Smokey Joe]

He's getting picked by the Bears.
I hope so, but I don't think he falls that far.

Right now Sanchez would likely go in the 15-25 range, but I think he is going to have one of the more impressive combines/prodays of all the draft prospects, and that will cause him to sky rocket. He might have only 16 games or whatever of starting experience, but he has all the tools to be a great QB, as well as the pedigree.

Also, I bet Mustain and Corp are the two happiest people to find out about this news, as Barkley, if he's as good as they say he is, will likely be the starter after he likely gets redshirted.

[RaiderNation]

Im happy to see that Sanchez or Bradford declared. I still think Stafford is overrated and by draft day wont be considered a top 5 pick. I expect Sanchez to go number 1 to Lions and I can see a team like Kansas City, Seattle or St Louis trading down with a team that needs a OT and picks up Stafford

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

Mustain better than Stafford? is there a happy hour going on somewhere i dont know about.

I don't think of Stafford as high as others. He has great physical tools, but his accuracy is spotty and his decision making is poor at times. He reminds me of Eli Manning.

[D-Unit]

Ask Scott Pioli if he likes USC QBs... ;)

...and knowing Pioli, he wouldn't start a rookie QB anyways. If Sanchez truly does declare, I don't see any adverse effects. His stock is just as high as Maualuga's last year and look what happened there. He got overly diagnosed and his stock is now low. I bet Mays gets picked outside of the Top 15 next year. If he declared this year, he would get picked before then. Only time will tell.

[BRAVEHEART]

Good, Mitch should be the starter next year then. IMO he's better than Stafford, Mitch that is.

Lol, wut?

Mitch isn't even better than corp, He might have a higher ceiling, but as of right now Mark is unquestioned top-dog (and a better leader).

oops, I thought you were talking about mark, but the same goes for stafford as well.

[Babylon]

well he was ranked ahead of him coming out of high school, but that doesnt mean anything now.

Not by Rivals he wasnt. Hey man you know i like the Trojans but you wont find too many people that would put Mustain in the same class as Stafford.

[Zyro_1014]

Not by Rivals he wasnt. Hey man you know i like the Trojans but you wont find too many people that would put Mustain in the same class as Stafford.

well i dont check rivals much, i have a scout account and they had him ranked over Stafford.

edit: i also think Stafford was better, i was just making a point that hes a very good QB.

[hockey619]

double-posted to avoid sticking it in with the silliness above:

am i really the only one who likes sanchez substantially more than stafford? i don't disagree that he'd benefit from more time at USC, but i was... underwhelmed, to put it extremely mildly, by stafford in the games i watched. i liked sanchez a lot more, although i saw him a lot less (maybe i just caught him for a couple of great games and he looked worse the rest of the season... *shrug*).



In the exact same boat man. Have been saying it since the beginning of the year. I just dont like Stafford. I dont get a the vibe from him that i get from Sanchez and i would much rather have Sanchez.

[Geason Noceur]

I think eventually Sanchez will go ahead of Stafford. Stafford when he played Florida, looked really bad. Even with a first round running back, good line and late first/early WR in Massaquoi, Stafford was 18/33 with 0 TDs and 3 INT. In the big games, Stafford dissappeared this year and that's highly concerning to me. Heck, the Utah QB looked better than him in their game against Bama.

I think there's a very slim chance that Sanchez goes ahead of Stafford. I just don't see it happening. Stafford has the better physical tools, more experience in a tougher conference, and no history of injuries or questionable character. I think Stafford is going to separate himself from the pack at the combine. He's built for it.

I also found it interesting that even the coaches that run the Elite 11 camp have said that if they had to chose a QB for their team that they would take Stafford over Sanchez. Greg Biggins, one of the guys that run the camp, held a chat with one of the USC's sites a few weeks ago, and that's what he said. This is a big deal because those coaches have trained Sanchez since his high school days. He goes to their camp every summer and have seen him throw next to Stafford for days, and they think that Stafford is the better prospect. Carson Palmer has also seen them throwing next to each other, and he said that Stafford would be the No. 1 pick. I think Sanchez was fighting with Bradford for the second place all along.

I think Sanchez would have been better served if he returned to school for an additional year. Bradford is losing most of this offensive line, and Sanchez had a really good chance of supplanting him as the no. 1 next year. Now, he's going to have to go through the combine in order to help his stock, and unfortunately for him he's going to be compared to Stafford, whom I think is going to be off the charts in a camp-like setting like that.

[CC.SD]

In the exact same boat man. Have been saying it since the beginning of the year. I just dont like Stafford. I dont get a the vibe from him that i get from Sanchez and i would much rather have Sanchez.

That's because Sanchez is a football player and Stafford is a quarterback machine, if that makes any sense. Neither are bad. I want to slip a comparison to Rivers | Eli (as prospects) in here but it doesn't quite fit.

[Iamcanadian]

I'll be surprised if he falls out of the top 10 even with his inexperience. He must have heard sometrhing positive from the NFL Advisory Committee to declare. All the junior QB's are going to sit a year and learn from the sidelines. It certainly worked for Cassell. Teams in the top 10 who think they will draft higher next year won't have a shot at a solid QB. They will have to decide to strike while they have a chance at a QB who could be a top 3 pick next year. Some of the better GM's who can actually assess talent pretty well will take a shot. Maybe Seattle.

[Saints-Tigers]

double post

[Zyro_1014]

Yea, except not really in a good way, definitely not in a top 10 kind of way.

I'll LOL if he goes top 10, I think both his current play and his future upside are massively overrated.

whelp, i wont be surprised if he does. hes that good.

[Xiomera]

I'll be surprised if he falls out of the top 10 even with his inexperience. He must have heard sometrhing positive from the NFL Advisory Committee to declare. All the junior QB's are going to sit a year and learn from the sidelines. It certainly worked for Cassell. Teams in the top 10 who think they will draft higher next year won't have a shot at a solid QB. They will have to decide to strike while they have a shot at a QB who could be a top 3 pick next year. Some of the better GM's who can actually assess talent pretty well will take a shot. Maybe Seattle.

Yeah, Sanchez has most of the tools you look for in a Top QB. His biggest detractor is his lack of starting experience, but a lot of teams will figure a year of development in the NFL could be just as beneficial since he'll be molded to the team's preferred specifications.

[San Diego Chicken]

Sanchez made a good desision. I don't think there's anything he needs to work on, specifically, that he needed to go back to school for. The lack of experience could be a concern for some, but for the three years that he wasn't the starter, he faced Southern Cal's #1 defense every day in practice. You can't really replicate an NFL defense in college any better than that, and I think that's a big reason why Sanchez hit the ground running this past season.

[Saints-Tigers]

Would you guys consider Sanchez a jack of all trades, master of none?

Yea, except not really in a good way, definitely not in a top 10 kind of way.

I'll LOL if he goes top 10, I think both his current play and his future upside are massively overrated.

It's hilarious that people are using Cassell as justification to draft guys who aren't ready, when he sat four years, came into Bill Belichik(a top 5 all time coach at least) system, and inherited the supporting cast that was the greatest offense of all time last year....

[Zyro_1014]

Yea, except not really in a good way, definitely not in a top 10 kind of way.

I'll LOL if he goes top 10, I think both his current play and his future upside are massively overrated.

It's hilarious that people are using Cassell as justification to draft guys who aren't ready, when he sat four years, came into Bill Belichik(a top 5 all time coach at least) system, and inherited the supporting cast that was the greatest offense of all time last year....

why did you post this twice?

[Saints-Tigers]

accident, can you ever forgive me?

[Zyro_1014]

accident, can you ever forgive me?

yea but i made a quote on it the first time lol

[TheGM]

When they ask him why he left early five years from now he'll say "I did it for the money." Chances are he will give that quote from the bench.

It isn't a coincidence that he decided to come out five minutes after Bradford stayed in. This is a very shallow draft class, all the other QBs in this draft are day two picks. With Bradford out of the running Sanchez became the only other decent pro prospect available. My econ. is rusty but, I'm pretty sure that the laws of supply and demand mean that in about 100 days Sanchez will be able to shout "I'm rich B!@$CH!" and not be joking.

[bitonti]

FYI they changed the headline

Sanchez undecided

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3833465

[Buc Baller12]

Sweet. Now fall to Tampa!

[NIN1984]

Well this is disappointing, I was really excited for SC next season. There goes are NC hopes. I wish Sanchez the best though.

[Zyro_1014]

Well this is disappointing, I was really excited for SC next season. There goes are NC hopes. I wish Sanchez the best though.

you do realize that we are loaded with talent at QB right?

[619]

Well this is disappointing, I was really excited for SC next season. There goes are NC hopes. I wish Sanchez the best though.

Does it really matter so much who's at QB for us? Mustain isn't a bad alternative.

[Zyro_1014]

Does it really matter so much who's at QB for us? Mustain isn't a bad alternative.

EXACTLY! i mean i would love to still have Marc but Mustain will do just fine.

[NIN1984]

I think Mustain will be fine, I was just really looking forward to seeing Sanchez rip it up in his 2nd year as full time stater, the guy is a joy to watch.

[BRAVEHEART]

EXACTLY! i mean i would love to still have Marc but Mustain will do just fine.

we still have marc:)

the guy is a joy to watch.

Yeah, the gutsy leader type. Gives it his all, plays fearless.

[eazyb81]

Many of you are going to look extremely foolish in a few months when Sanchez ends up being a top 5-10 pick. He has elite physical tools, played extremely well in his 16 starts, and has played in a legit pro scheme the past few years.

I wouldn't be shocked to see KC end up taking him at #3 overall.

[Zyro_1014]

Many of you are going to look extremely foolish in a few months when Sanchez ends up being a top 5-10 pick. He has elite physical tools, played extremely well in his 16 starts, and has played in a legit pro scheme the past few years.

I wouldn't be shocked to see KC end up taking him at #3 overall.

i wont look foolish. I could say "i told ya so"

[Smokey Joe]

I was saying since October that Sanchez would declare and be a top 5 pick.

[Bruce Banner]

Sanchez won't be a top 5 pick.

and based just on his tools he shouldn't be a top 10 pick.

[Zyro_1014]

Sanchez won't be a top 5 pick.

and based just on his tools he shouldn't be a top 10 pick.

whys that? hes pretty damn polished.

[eazyb81]

Sanchez won't be a top 5 pick.

and based just on his tools he shouldn't be a top 10 pick.

So what tools make him unworthy of being a top 10 pick?

You know, USC didn't just find him behind an alley a few years ago. He was the top QB in his HS class for a reason. Sanchez has elite physical tools, and his arm strength is only a bit behind Stafford's.

[Bruce Banner]

So what tools make him unworthy of being a top 10 pick?

and his arm strength is only a bit behind Stafford's.

and by a bit you mean a lot.

he is a jack of all trades, master of none.

he has nothing that puts him over the top to elite status.

[eazyb81]

and by a bit you mean a lot.

No, not really. Stafford has an incredible arm - it's stupid to compare anyone to him. But Sanchez definitely has a great arm too, and it certainly won't be listed as a weakness on any scouting report.

he is a jack of all trades, master of none.

Too late, someone already used this lame phrase.

he has nothing that puts him over the top to elite status.

Again, what tools make him unworthy of a top 10 pick? If you're going to say this, at least come with some ammo.

[Smokey Joe]

well, you know if you can't bomb the ball the 70 yards down field, you're not worthy of a high pick.

Yeah, Sanchez throws a real good ball, has good touch, has good zip, and has good accuracy, as well as everything you look for a QB in terms of work ethic, toughness, leadership, etc, but if you can't bomb it 70 yards, you're not worth a high draft pick.

[thetedginnshow]

Haha. That "jack of all trades" thing really isn't even a bad thing when it's applied to a quarterback.

[Bruce Banner]

Too late, someone already used this lame phrase.


Me. I used it earlier today. lol

[Zyro_1014]

well, you know if you can't bomb the ball the 70 yards down field, you're not worthy of a high pick.

Yeah, Sanchez throws a real good ball, has good touch, has good zip, and has good accuracy, as well as everything you look for a QB in terms of work ethic, toughness, leadership, etc, but if you can't bomb it 70 yards, you're not worth a high draft pick.

well ive seen marc throw it 70 yards with my own two eyes. up close and personel at a camp so....

[BRAVEHEART]

well ive seen marc throw it 70 yards with my own two eyes. up close and personel at a camp so....

He should play QB then, he'd be a monster.

[senormysterioso]

His lack of experience may not be a bad thing. Sometimes when there's too much tape on you people start to look for and manufacture flaws. When you're an unknown quantity with plenty of upside, like a Matt Jones, you start to intrigue people. If he works out well I think he made a good choice especially with Bradford staying at OU.

[Zyro_1014]

He should play QB then, he'd be a monster.

im not gettin where youre goin with this? lol

[Babylon]

well, you know if you can't bomb the ball the 70 yards down field, you're not worthy of a high pick.

Yeah, Sanchez throws a real good ball, has good touch, has good zip, and has good accuracy, as well as everything you look for a QB in terms of work ethic, toughness, leadership, etc, but if you can't bomb it 70 yards, you're not worth a high draft pick.


His arm is as good as Matt Ryan's is and he has done pretty well.

[BRAVEHEART]

im not gettin where youre goin with this? lol

Marc
http://www.marctyler.org/images/marc-tyler-pictures.jpg


Mark
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb236/GridironGoddess/1193108857.jpg


thought you would've picked that up earlier man.

[adschofield]

Sanchez is good, but nowhere near as good as Stafford...Not even close

[Zyro_1014]

Marc
http://www.marctyler.org/images/marc-tyler-pictures.jpg


Mark
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb236/GridironGoddess/1193108857.jpg


thought you would've picked that up earlier man.

sorry, just see it spelled more the way i spelt it. lol

[Bruce Banner]

Sanchez is good, but nowhere near as good as Stafford...Not even close

++. Sanchez looks like an above average NFL QB imo.

Stafford has a far greater chance of being a superstar.

[BRAVEHEART]

sorry, just see it spelled more the way i spelt it. lol


:confused: ...really? The only time I see "marc" it's future 1st round RB Marc Tyler.

just nitpicking though.

[adschofield]

If you rank the NFL QB's five years from now, both Sanchez and Stafford will be in the top half, but Stafford will be top 5 JMO.

[Zyro_1014]

++. Sanchez looks like an above average NFL QB imo.

Stafford has a far greater chance of being a superstar.

well, how do you feel about Bradford?

[BRAVEHEART]

If you rank the NFL QB's five years from now, both Sanchez and Stafford will be in the top half, but Stafford will be top 5 JMO.

Only because Calvin will make his life much better.

[adschofield]

well, how do you feel about Bradford?

I know the question wasn't directed towards me, but I like Sanchez and Stafford more than Bradford. I just haven't bought into the Bradford hype yet because of the system he plays in and the tools at his disposal.

[Zyro_1014]

Only because Calvin will make his life much better.

Megatron! lol.

he would make many QBs happy!

[adschofield]

Only because Calvin will make his life much better.

No, Stafford simply has better physical tools..If you can't see that, than you're a bigger homer than I am.

[MetSox17]

No, Stafford simply has better physical tools..If you can't see that, than you're a bigger homer than I am.

Meh, it's not all about the laser rocket arms. J-Rock probably has the best physical tools in the league and he hasn't done jack with them.

[adschofield]

Meh, it's not all about the laser rocket arms. J-Rock probably has the best physical tools in the league and he hasn't done jack with them.

Of course, but I feel as though Stafford has the additional tools to be a great NFL QB...His arm is what separates him from the pack.

[BRAVEHEART]

No, Stafford simply has better physical tools..If you can't see that, than you're a bigger homer than I am.

I'm not saying Stafford is better or worse. I'm a lions fan, I want stafford...dont get it twisted.

[MetSox17]

Of course, but I feel as though Stafford has the additional tools to be a great NFL QB...His arm is what separates him from the pack.

I agree, and he is head and shoulders above Sanchez, but that's just a huge compliment to Stafford, and not a knock on Sanchez. To anyone that thinks his arm is not strong enough to make every single NFL throw, you are seriously kidding yourself. He may not be able to put it through the uprights off one knee from midfield, but he has enough arm to make most throws. Playing in USC's offense and being highly successful makes me like him as a prospect even more. I would not be surprised to have a team take him in the top ten. He's a first rounder no doubt in my book though.

[adschofield]

I agree, and he is head and shoulders above Sanchez, but that's just a huge compliment to Stafford, and not a knock on Sanchez. To anyone that thinks his arm is not strong enough to make every single NFL throw, you are seriously kidding yourself. He may not be able to put it through the uprights off one knee from midfield, but he has enough arm to make most throws. Playing in USC's offense and being highly successful makes me like him as a prospect even more. I would not be surprised to have a team take him in the top ten. He's a first rounder no doubt in my book though.

I agree...I'm a Sanchez fan, but Stafford is much better IMO

[Bruce Banner]

aids has answered everything, thanks aids.

I'd like to hear BF51's take on Sanchez.

[adschofield]

aids has answered everything, thanks aids.

I'd like to hear BF51's take on Sanchez.

No problem, I got your back

[MarioPalmer]

As a St.Louis native I really want Mark Sanchez to come here. I dislike Marc Bulger very much, I think he was the biggest reason why the Rams were so bad and it's without a doubt time for the Rams to have a legit franchise QB to work off of.

Mark Sachez is that guy. I like Matt Stafford almost as much, but Sanchez is the type of player that you want behind center. He is a leader, he is passionate and most importantly a very very good QB prospect that has all the tools to succeed at the pro level.

Sanchez would give the Rams a leader they so desperately need. Bulger just doesn't give them that quality. Bulger isn't a firey passionet player that oozes team spirit like you need at that position. You can see on the face of Sanchez that he loves this game. He plays with great emotion and the Rams need that as their face of their team.

As for Sanchez's skill set, I think we are all impressed with what we see. He has great size at 6'4 225lbs. Mark has excellent mobility and the ability to throw on the run like very few prospects can do. He does have that excellent arm strengtrh. I would put him stronger than Matt Ryan less than Matt Stafford and right around the Tom Brady/Jay Cutler mark. And speaking of Jay Cutler, I see Mark Sanchez as the exact replica of Jay Cutler just a little taller. Their game is almost exactly alike. They both like to move outside the pocket. They both have excellent arm stregth, they both like to sling it and they both have a gun slinger mentality.

Sanchez comes from probably the best system in college football for a young promising QB getting ready for the professional game. He has played against top competition and has succeeded at the highest level. His footwork is very good, his mechanics are impeccable and his vision of the entire field is also excellent. But his intagibles are what teams will fall in love with. He has that leadership quality that so few QB's have. Sanchez has the ability to come into any franchise and take over leadership responsibilities right away.

I just hope that the Lions pass and take Matt Stafford or Andre Smith, I have a feeling once Sanchez works out and teams interview him and see how well he proforms he will fly up the boards and probably land in Detroit, but if there is a football God and he is listening to my prayers, I hope that they pass and the Rams take him with the #2 overall pick. Mark Sanchez is a prototype QB. He looks the part and more importantly plays and acts the part of a franchise QB. He has benefitted the most these last few months and he has peaked at the right time. This is the time when you want to peak before the draft. His Rose Bowl performance against a very good Penn St. team is still very fresh on peoples minds and his final games at SC are there as well. Plus with the non declaring of Sam Bradford, who I think would have dropped a little during workouts, means that the only legit competition that Sanchez has is Matt Stafford, who I think he will blow out of the water when workouts come.

St.Louis Rams have to take him, they have the pieces to help him right now. Steven Jackson, Alex Barron (who can very well make the move to OLT), Orlando Pace (got at least 1 or 2 good years left), Donnie Avery, Jacob Bell, Richie Incognito and Randy McMichael. Not too mention that they have the oppertunity to take the best center or guard, 3rd or 4th best receiver or one of the two top TE's, Gresham or Pettigrew with their 2nd pick in the 2nd round. That is a very good group for Mark Sanchez to grow up and develope around. All of them young and all of them dying for a fiery young leader to take control and lead them into the playoffs.

To me this is a no brainer for the Rams.

[BRAVEHEART]

As a St.Louis native I really want Mark Sanchez to come here. I dislike Marc Bulger very much, I think he was the biggest reason why the Rams were so bad and it's without a doubt time for the Rams to have a legit franchise QB to work off of.

Mark Sachez is that guy. I like Matt Stafford almost as much, but Sanchez is the type of player that you want behind center. He is a leader, he is passionate and most importantly a very very good QB prospect that has all the tools to succeed at the pro level.

Sanchez would give the Rams a leader they so desperately need. Bulger just doesn't give them that quality. Bulger isn't a firey passionet player that oozes team spirit like you need at that position. You can see on the face of Sanchez that he loves this game. He plays with great emotion and the Rams need that as their face of their team.



As for Sanchez's skill set, I think we are all impressed with what we see. He has great size at 6'4 225lbs. Mark has excellent mobility and the ability to throw on the run like very few prospects can do. He does have that excellent arm strengtrh. I would put him stronger than Matt Ryan less than Matt Stafford and right around the Tom Brady/Jay Cutler mark. And speaking of Jay Cutler, I see Mark Sanchez as the exact replica of Jay Cutler just a little taller. Their game is almost exactly alike. They both like to move outside the pocket. They both have excellent arm stregth, they both like to sling it and they both have a gun slinger mentality.

Sanchez comes from probably the best system in college football for a young promising QB getting ready for the professional game. He has played against top competition and has succeeded at the highest level. His footwork is very good, his mechanics are impeccable and his vision of the entire field is also excellent. But his intagibles are what teams will fall in love with. He has that leadership quality that so few QB's have. Sanchez has the ability to come into any franchise and take over leadership responsibilities right away.

I just hope that the Lions pass and take Matt Stafford or Andre Smith, I have a feeling once Sanchez works out and teams interview him and see how well he proforms he will fly up the boards and probably land in Detroit, but if there is a football God and he is listening to my prayers, I hope that they pass and the Rams take him with the #2 overall pick. Mark Sanchez is a prototype QB. He looks the part and more importantly plays and acts the part of a franchise QB. He has benefitted the most these last few months and he has peaked at the right time. This is the time when you want to peak before the draft. His Rose Bowl performance against a very good Penn St. team is still very fresh on peoples minds and his final games at SC are there as well. Plus with the non declaring of Sam Bradford, who I think would have dropped a little during workouts, means that the only legit competition that Sanchez has is Matt Stafford, who I think he will blow out of the water when workouts come.

St.Louis Rams have to take him, they have the pieces to help him right now. Steven Jackson, Alex Barron (who can very well make the move to OLT), Orlando Pace (got at least 1 or 2 good years left), Donnie Avery, Jacob Bell, Richie Incognito and Randy McMichael. Not too mention that they have the oppertunity to take the best center or guard, 3rd or 4th best receiver or one of the two top TE's, Gresham or Pettigrew with their 2nd pick in the 2nd round. That is a very good group for Mark Sanchez to grow up and develope around. All of them young and all of them dying for a fiery young leader to take control and lead them into the playoffs.

To me this is a no brainer for the Rams.

i dont know if you will like hearing this, but mark is only 6'2 1/2....

[slightlyaraiderfan]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mark announces he stays tomorrow.

[BRAVEHEART]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mark announces he stays tomorrow.

That would send the board into frenzy, lol.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

That would send the board into frenzy, lol.
do you visit uscfootball.com? that place was insane today...

[BRAVEHEART]

do you visit uscfootball.com? that place was insane today...

naw, but I was on the ESPN site...seemed like people were gonna kill themselves if Mark leaves and Mustain starts. Sad, because mustain isn't bad.

[Zyro_1014]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mark announces he stays tomorrow.

for some reason i wouldnt be either.

[SimonRath]

i really really like Mark Sanchez as a prospect.

[NGSeiler]

To me this is a no brainer for the Rams.

Uhh, as a Rams fan, I think it's a very big "brainer." Not only would I question Sanchez's value with the second overall pick at this point, but the Rams have so many needs that, IMO, they can't afford to throw another $65+ million contract at the quarterback position. They need a young QB to groom as a possible replacement, but he will come from the mid-rounds.

[Saints-Tigers]

Why does it seem like every player that plays with a ton of talent is "a leader"?

[SimonRath]

Why does it seem like every player that plays with a ton of talent is "a leader"?

its harder then you think to lead a team with a ton of talent

[georgiafan]

Why does it seem like every player that plays with a ton of talent is "a leader"?

People use that to make the player they like sound better, because there isn't any way anyone can argue agianst it. Kinda like how every QB with a big arm can do nothing else.

[hockey619]

based on what? how is he "nowhere near as good"? convince me. i didn't see anything out of stafford that even remotely indicated to me that he should be a top qb prospect, and the only thing i've heard mentioned thus far (in the season, not just this thread) is his arm strength. that and "he can do other things pretty good too", which isn't meaningful.

but like i said, convince me that stafford really is better.


But Stafford has a great arm!!..... Yeah thats all well and good, but when you watch the game and interviews you can tell that Sanchez has more charisma and passion as a person than Stafford, who has more of a Eli personality. Not a bad thing but Im not impressed by his intangibles. During the bowl game, cameras showed Knowshon running up and down the sideline before half screaming at people because of their play. Stafford was nowhere to be seen.

Also, Stafford struggled a bit when his team needed him. He did have the good game at Kentucky where he saved them, and it was impressive. But he was garbage against Florida and in large parts of other games where he seemed to fall apart a bit mentally. He did also have moments where he made you go 'wow, thats why he could be great' where he showed why some people think so highly of him. But i dont know if he can bring it consistently enough.

Watch interviews of Stafford. He doesnt come across as a guy who will take control and carry the team when they need him. Sanchez comes across as confident and sure of himself. Ive made the comparison before and still believe that Sanchez is very similar to John Elway in a lot of ways. SoCal kid, great coming out of HS, great intangible qualities, athletic and can move, not quite the Elway arm but same whole package type of deal with that un-quantifiable 'it' that gives you confidence that when they have the ball they will succeed.

I expect Stafford to struggle early like Eli did because its going to take him longer to take the reins and gain his teamates confidence. Sanchez is more ready as a person but both need to sit because as players they both are streaky and occassionally to big of gamblers with the ball.

All that said, he should probably go back. There would be less pressure on him in college, giving him less stress while he works out the inconsistencies in his game and gaining the experience to remove that from his weaknesses as a prospect. If he does come out, I think he has a good shot to be great but if he were to go back, he could solidify his chances to be a great pro QB.

[illmatic74]

But Stafford has a great arm!!..... Yeah thats all well and good, but when you watch the game and interviews you can tell that Sanchez has more charisma and passion as a person than Stafford, who has more of a Eli personality. Not a bad thing but Im not impressed by his intangibles. During the bowl game, cameras showed Knowshon running up and down the sideline before half screaming at people because of their play. Stafford was nowhere to be seen.

Also, Stafford struggled a bit when his team needed him. He did have the good game at Kentucky where he saved them, and it was impressive. But he was garbage against Florida and in large parts of other games where he seemed to fall apart a bit mentally. He did also have moments where he made you go 'wow, thats why he could be great' where he showed why some people think so highly of him. But i dont know if he can bring it consistently enough.

Watch interviews of Stafford. He doesnt come across as a guy who will take control and carry the team when they need him. Sanchez comes across as confident and sure of himself. Ive made the comparison before and still believe that Sanchez is very similar to John Elway in a lot of ways. SoCal kid, great coming out of HS, great intangible qualities, athletic and can move, not quite the Elway arm but same whole package type of deal with that un-quantifiable 'it' that gives you confidence that when they have the ball they will succeed.

I expect Stafford to struggle early like Eli did because its going to take him longer to take the reins and gain his teamates confidence. Sanchez is more ready as a person but both need to sit because as players they both are streaky and occassionally to big of gamblers with the ball.

All that said, he should probably go back. There would be less pressure on him in college, giving him less stress while he works out the inconsistencies in his game and gaining the experience to remove that from his weaknesses as a prospect. If he does come out, I think he has a good shot to be great but if he were to go back, he could solidify his chances to be a great pro QB.Because interviews show everything you need to know about a prospect. Since none of us are out at practices, meetings or in the huddle it hard for us to judge how great of a leader a player is.

[hockey619]

Because interviews show everything you need to know about a prospect. Since none of us are out at practices, meetings or in the huddle it hard for us to judge how great of a leader a player is.


You can see his personality. How he reacts to being the focus, having all eyes on him. Does he take control and embrace this? Does he answer questions with confidence? Because that does matter. A QB is under an immense amount of pressure all the time and will get a lot of blame if the **** hits the fan, so knowing how to handle the spotlight matters. Nothing show you everything about a prospect, but everything can show you little pieces.

[georgiafan]

But Stafford has a great arm!!..... Yeah thats all well and good, but when you watch the game and interviews you can tell that Sanchez has more charisma and passion as a person than Stafford, who has more of a Eli personality. Not a bad thing but Im not impressed by his intangibles. During the bowl game, cameras showed Knowshon running up and down the sideline before half screaming at people because of their play. Stafford was nowhere to be seen.

What does him not jumping around like Knowshon have to do with anything ? I want my QB to be cool and calm during the game. I don't want him jumping around like some rec league player.

Also, Stafford struggled a bit when his team needed him. He did have the good game at Kentucky where he saved them, and it was impressive. But he was garbage against Florida and in large parts of other games where he seemed to fall apart a bit mentally. He did also have moments where he made you go 'wow, thats why he could be great' where he showed why some people think so highly of him. But i dont know if he can bring it consistently enough..

Agian 2 of the 3 interceptions agianst UF were bad routes by the WR. This came straight from Mark Richt on his weekly TV show. I guess it's staffords fault that A.J Green ran the wrong route on the curl pattern


Watch interviews of Stafford. He doesnt come across as a guy who will take control and carry the team when they need him. Sanchez comes across as confident and sure of himself. Ive made the comparison before and still believe that Sanchez is very similar to John Elway in a lot of ways. SoCal kid, great coming out of HS, great intangible qualities, athletic and can move, not quite the Elway arm but same whole package type of deal with that un-quantifiable 'it' that gives you confidence that when they have the ball they will succeed..

He has lead about 5 game winning TD drives in his career if that's not carrying a team on your back then nothing is. The one time Sanchez had the chance agianst Oregon state he threw a terrible interception.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

A healthy Brady yes. Cutler, Rodgers and Ryan a big time no.

Yards:
1. Cutler
2.Rodgers
3.Cassel
4. Ryan

TDs
1.Rodgers
2.Cutler
3.Cassel
4.Ryan

YPA
1. Ryan
2.Rodgers
3. Cutler
4.Cassel

Rating:

1. Rodgers
2. Cassel
3. Ryan
4. Cutler

Points 4 for #1, 3 for #2, 2 for #3, 1 for #4.


1. Aaron Rodgers: 14 points
2. Jay Cutler: 10 points
3. Cassel: 8 points
4. Ryan: 8 points

So, based on just statistical analysis on the 4 biggest statistics, we see who had the best seasons out of these four guys. Not necessarily the be all and end all, but with the talent the Patriots have, you would think that he would put up some better numbers. Also, I'm kinda surprised how good of a year Rodgers had, I really had no idea.

[illmatic74]

Yards:
1. Cutler
2.Rodgers
3.Cassel
4. Ryan

TDs
1.Rodgers
2.Cutler
3.Cassel
4.Ryan

YPA
1. Ryan
2.Rodgers
3. Cutler
4.Cassel

Rating:

1. Rodgers
2. Cassel
3. Ryan
4. Cutler

Points 4 for #1, 3 for #2, 2 for #3, 1 for #4.


1. Aaron Rodgers: 14 points
2. Jay Cutler: 10 points
3. Cassel: 8 points
4. Ryan: 8 points

So, based on just statistical analysis on the 4 biggest statistics, we see who had the best seasons out of these four guys. Not necessarily the be all and end all, but with the talent the Patriots have, you would think that he would put up some better numbers. Also, I'm kinda surprised how good of a year Rodgers had, I really had no idea.Also those 3 are younger with higher upside because of their physical tools.

[Ness]

Doubt he goes top five. 10-15 is much more likely. San Fransisco wouldn't be a bad fit.

Yeah I can only dream.

[Rockability24]

He can't possibly slip past SF

[eazyb81]

Kiper is already projecting Sanchez to KC at #3, and McShay has him ranked ahead of Stafford.

The talk of him not going in the top 20 is just absurd.

[BBIB]

Kiper is already projecting Sanchez to KC at #3, and McShay has him ranked ahead of Stafford.

The talk of him not going in the top 20 is just absurd.

Of course he will go in the top 20.

What's absurd is the fact that he made the decision when he would have been picked that high next year.

What's absurd is that he's a one year wonder and the success rate for that is incredibly low. It's not even close to good.

The Matt Cassel situation is a ridiculous one to gauge. It's an anomaly because it was a perfect situation where a QB could sit 3+ years and when he finally started he had targets like Randy Moss and Wes Welker.


Sanchez will not be able to sit that long and more than likely he won't have targets anywhere close to that good either. This is one of the worst decisions ever by a draft prospect

[Menardo75]

He can't possibly slip past SF

Yeah he can actually.

[eazyb81]

Of course he will go in the top 20.

What's absurd is the fact that he made the decision when he would have been picked that high next year.

What's absurd is that he's a one year wonder and the success rate for that is incredibly low. It's not even close to good.

The Matt Cassel situation is a ridiculous one to gauge. It's an anomaly because it was a perfect situation where a QB could sit 3+ years and when he finally started he had targets like Randy Moss and Wes Welker.


Sanchez will not be able to sit that long and more than likely he won't have targets anywhere close to that good either. This is one of the worst decisions ever by a draft prospect

Saying he'd go top 5 next year is pure speculation on your part. You don't have a f'n crystal ball. Sanchez is great friends with Leinart, who personally experienced a fall from a guaranteed #1 pick if he came out his junior year to barely top ten after his senior year.

Sanchez is going to be a top 5 pick, and anyone that says this was "one of the worst decisions ever by a draft prospect" needs to get their head examined.

[Babylon]

Kiper is already projecting Sanchez to KC at #3, and McShay has him ranked ahead of Stafford.

The talk of him not going in the top 20 is just absurd.


I like how McShay argued Bradford is better than Stafford (to each his own by the way) and then when Bradford stayed at OU he had to find someone else better than Stafford. This is classic case of i have to take a differant position than Mel, who knows his stuff by the way.

As for Sanchez being more of a vocal guy i'm not sure there are any stats that will back up the vocal guy as opposed to the quiet guy wins more. Joe Montana was a quiet guy, Troy Aikman was a real quiet guy and Joe Flacco like doesnt speak at all. At the next level it's best to shut your piehole and just play.

[bhaarat316]

So now the Lions have a tough choice to make between 2 qbs before its was should we go tackle or qb. But now its should we go Dirty Sanchez or Staff Infection.

[MarioPalmer]

Of course he will go in the top 20.

What's absurd is the fact that he made the decision when he would have been picked that high next year.

What's absurd is that he's a one year wonder and the success rate for that is incredibly low. It's not even close to good.

The Matt Cassel situation is a ridiculous one to gauge. It's an anomaly because it was a perfect situation where a QB could sit 3+ years and when he finally started he had targets like Randy Moss and Wes Welker.


Sanchez will not be able to sit that long and more than likely he won't have targets anywhere close to that good either. This is one of the worst decisions ever by a draft prospect

He would if he went to St.Louis. That would be the perfect fit for him. They have immense needs, but the QB position is a once in a lifetime chance to get that 1 guy, that 1 guy to set your frnachise around. With later round guys it's hit or miss. For every Brady, Hasselback, or Warner there are a ton of nobodies that never amount to anything worth while. This is the chance that St.Louis needs to gain that Carson Palmer, Payton Manning and Matt Ryan presence. A guy who can come in and be the franchise. The Rams have never in their entire existence had that, and with them passing on both Cutler and Ryan in the 2 of the last 3 drafts this has to be a no brainer for them.

Bulger is finished. The Rams weren't last in sacks allowed, weren't second to last or third to last, not even forth to last and Bulger still sucked it up bad. He was absolutely terrible throughout the year and he is one of if not the main reason why the Rams' offense was and is so anemic.

Sanchez is the correct player for this franchise and if they picked him they would without a doubt get me as a fan, as of now they have tried to make safe yet uneventful picks these last 3 drafts and it has turned me off completely. Passing on Cutler in 2006, not trading up to get Patrick Willis in 2007 and then passing on Matt Ryan last year has made me not just ignore the Rams, but actually dispise them for trying to think safe instead of blowing up the frame work and starting over. This community in St.Louis still thinks they are one player away from the Greatest Show on Turf days and I'm sorry I have to be the noe to say this, but it's over and it's time to move on to a different era, and that era starts with Mark Sanchez.

[Babylon]

So now the Lions have a tough choice to make between 2 qbs before its was should we go tackle or qb. But now its should we go Dirty Sanchez or Staff Infection.


Well it's still QB or O-line just which Qb. To me it's a no brainer. Both guys are pro style QBs with pretty good mobility, good accuracy and touch. One guys has a 92 mph fastball and the other a 97 mph fastball, who would you take?

[Zyro_1014]

Well it's still QB or O-line just which Qb. To me it's a no brainer. Both guys are pro style QBs with pretty good mobility, good accuracy and touch. One guys has a 92 mph fastball and the other a 97 mph fastball, who would you take?

As of right now Stafford is by far the best QB prospect, unless he just sucks it up at his workouts.....

.....doubt it.

[BRAVEHEART]

As a Detroit Lion fan....give me the staff, he'll be great compliment to Megatron. I like Sanchez more as a QB, but I would'nt want either to start now, and Stafford's arm will only make calvin better.


I still think Sanchez is more polished overall, but I wanna maximize the effectiveness of megatron.

[Zyro_1014]

As a Detroit Lion fan....give me the staff, he'll be great compliment to Megatron. I like Sanchez more as a QB, but I would'nt want either to start now, and Stafford's arm will only make calvin better.


I still think Sanchez is more polished overall, but I wanna maximize the effectiveness of megatron.

Sanchez may very well have better mechanics and he does some of the little things very well. (Pump Fakes, Play action)

But Stafford is a special prospect, and has the X Factor in that arm.

[Babylon]

As of right now Stafford is by far the best QB prospect, unless he just sucks it up at his workouts.....

.....doubt it.


How do you suck it up at workouts if you have a great arm and accuracy?. He's looked good with guys hitting him at the knees, workouts will seem like a day at the beach.

I guess Mel Kiper is predicting Mark to the Chiefs, think that's too early?

[Zyro_1014]

How do you suck it up at workouts if you have a great arm and accuracy?. He's looked good with guys hitting him at the knees, workouts will seem like a day at the beach.

I guess Mel Kiper is predicting Mark to the Chiefs, think that's too early?

like i said, i think thats the only way he would fall, and its very unlikely lol.

I think that Sanchez is good enough to there, but im curious to see if someone takes a chance on him that early with his expierience. It just doesnt seem like someone would take a one year starter there.

.....do i think hes good enough for 3? yes.

[BRAVEHEART]

It'd be hilarious if Mark ended up having the stronger arm in the workouts. That alone could probably destroy the whole order of the draft.

[illmatic74]

It'd be hilarious if Mark ended up having the stronger arm in the workouts. That alone could probably destroy the whole order of the draft.But that's like saying what if Crabtree runs a faster 40 than Maclin?

[Zyro_1014]

It'd be hilarious if Mark ended up having the stronger arm in the workouts. That alone could probably destroy the whole order of the draft.

i cant see him having a better arm than Matt.

But in no way am i saying Sanchez is a slouch. I went to camp QB with Marc, and he did some impressive stuff there.

[Babylon]

like i said, i think thats the only way he would fall, and its very unlikely lol.

I think that Sanchez is good enough to there, but im curious to see if someone takes a chance on him that early with his expierience. It just doesnt seem like someone would take a one year starter there.

.....do i think hes good enough for 3? yes.

I asked my Seahawks brethren if they thought he was a good fit at 4? My thinking is if they return to being a good team it may be years before they can get a quality Qb and Hasselbeck is really one play away from being out of it.

[Zyro_1014]

I asked my Seahawks brethren if they thought he was a good fit at 4? My thinking is if they return to being a good team it may be years before they can get a quality Qb and Hasselbeck is really one play away from being out of it.

oh gosh i hope he doesnt go to seattle lol.

[Babylon]

It'd be hilarious if Mark ended up having the stronger arm in the workouts. That alone could probably destroy the whole order of the draft.


There's a better chance you're going to wake up better looking than Brad Pitt.

[Bruce Banner]

it would be funny, but it won't happen. I recall watching mark having to crow hop a 60 yarder, and it wasn't exactly a frozen rope.

[Babylon]

it would be funny, but it won't happen. I recall watching mark having to crow hop a 60 yarder, and it wasn't exactly a frozen rope.


I will add too that people shouldnt just judge an arm by distance. Jamarcus Russell might beat them all in that category. I look at how long those deep outs and seem routes stay in the air and whether a guy is accurate with deep ones really is what matters.

[illmatic74]

I will add too that people shouldnt just judge an arm by distance. Jamarcus Russell might beat them all in that category. I look at how long those deep outs and seem routes stay in the air and whether a guy is accurate with deep ones really is what matters.Good point but even if you weren't judging distance Russell still has the best arm in the league and Stafford's is better than Sanchez's..

[mikesh111]

Mark Sanchez "to go or not to go"
I say go because I have followed his career from distance as football fan. He is as ready as a College Quarterback can be even though he hasn't played every year that he has been at USC but he he gone through their trainings and drills. He has been under the tutelage of three quarterback gurus. At USC Steve Sarkisian has been teaching Mark Sanchez all the tricks of the trade. Before that during his high school days at Mission Viejo high school Bob Johnson took him under his wings and taught him how to be good quarterback and when he went through Bob Johnson and Bret Johnson camp quarterback in Southern California he developed into an elite quarterback. I have seen the quality of campquarterback.com graduates, Carson Palmer the Heisman Trophy Winner is another one of recent camp Quarterback graduates. They Scout the entire country for the top 11quarterbacks.

Mark Sanchez's success is no fluke Bob and Bret Johnson had laid a solid foundation with their training of Mark Sanchez and he has had the right work ethic to elevate himself. Most recently again with his solid foundation Steve Sarkisian helped him take his game to another level. He is ready, as much as I hate to see him leave the Trojans but even as football fans we can’t be this selfish. He should think about his long term career and building his life and if he judges that joining the NFL draft is good for him we should all respect that and wish him the best.

[Zyro_1014]

Mark Sanchez "to go or not to go"
I say go because I have followed his career from distance as football fan. He is as ready as a College Quarterback can be even though he hasn't played every year that he has been at USC but he he gone through their trainings and drills. He has been under the tutelage of three quarterback gurus. At USC Steve Sarkisian has been teaching Mark Sanchez all the tricks of the trade. Before that during his high school days at Mission Viejo high school Bob Johnson took him under his wings and taught him how to be good quarterback and when he went through Bob Johnson and Bret Johnson camp quarterback in Southern California he developed into an elite quarterback. I have seen the quality of campquarterback.com graduates, Carson Palmer the Heisman Trophy Winner is another one of recent camp Quarterback graduates. They Scout the entire country for the top 11quarterbacks.

Mark Sanchez's success is no fluke Bob and Bret Johnson had laid a solid foundation with their training of Mark Sanchez and he has had the right work ethic to elevate himself. Most recently again with his solid foundation Steve Sarkisian helped him take his game to another level. He is ready, as much as I hate to see him leave the Trojans but even as football fans we can’t be this selfish. He should think about his long term career and building his life and if he judges that joining the NFL draft is good for him we should all respect that and wish him the best.

well hes already made the decision to go. The Johnson brothers are great coaches, i went to that camp my freshman and sophmore year and got more out of it than i would have ever imagined.

I actually watched Marc quite a bit because i knew exactly who he was.

[Bruce Banner]

i'm still waiting for any of the "stafford is clearly better" camp to explain why, in words that don't solely involve "great arm" or "he's just like, better at stuff". i wasn't JUST asking adoschofield.

It's all intangibles. You just have to watch, I mean really watch, not the stuff you were doing before. :rolleyes:

[Babylon]

Good point but even if you weren't judging distance Russell still has the best arm in the league and Stafford's is better than Sanchez's..


I'm not convinced Russell's arm is all that accurate. I'll take Cutler, Flacco and Stafford in that department. Didnt mean to hijack the thread.

[illmatic74]

i'm still waiting for any of the "stafford is clearly better" camp to explain why, in words that don't solely involve "great arm" or "he's just like, better at stuff". i wasn't JUST asking adoschofield.Stafford seemed to have a better pocket prescence and pocket mobility.They both threw 10 ints but Stafford's while some were mental a few were tip balls and receivers running wrong routes Sanchez on the other hand seemed to make more poor decisions. Stafford is an easier evaluation because he has more starts against better defenses.

[illmatic74]

I'm not convinced Russell's arm is all that accurate. I'll take Cutler, Flacco and Stafford in that department. Didnt mean to hijack the thread.I never said most accurate arm I said best arm and Russell has it. Also if you put Flacco on the Raiders and Russell on the Ravens wouldn't it be a completely different discussion? Now back to Stafford and Sanchez.

[Babylon]

i'm still waiting for any of the "stafford is clearly better" camp to explain why, in words that don't solely involve "great arm" or "he's just like, better at stuff". i wasn't JUST asking adoschofield.


I think stats wise their numbers are close, i would argue the USC line was much better than the Georgia line and the SEC competition for the Bulldogs stiffer.

Stafford seems sturdier in his build, he's taken some brutal hits and keeps getting up whereas Sanchez has had the lingering knee issue.

As for throwing the ball when you watch the two they both have good touch and accuracy but Stafford's throws get to the opening in the defense quicker, thus a stronger arm. Something tells me you arent buying any of this but just wanted to put it out there.

[Bruce Banner]

I want to see Scott make Stafford's case.

He said Stafford will be the only prospect getting the "Elite" label from him right?

[illmatic74]

I want to see Scott make Stafford's case.

He said Stafford will be the only prospect getting the "Elite" label from him right?He compared his junior season to the Mannings junior season and called him a Jay Cutler clone.

[soybean]

does it really matter? the detroit lions destroys careers. whoever goes first will have a hard time adjusting.

it may have been partly millen's fault but truth is that franchise is just cursed.

[illmatic74]

does it really matter? the detroit lions destroys careers. whoever goes first will have a hard time adjusting.

it may have been partly millen's fault but truth is that franchise is just cursed.Whichever QB they choose will get to throw to Calvin Johnson.

[illmatic74]

i'm completely willing to be convinced that i'm wrong. like i said earlier, i didn't see every georgia game (though i did see a few), so maybe i missed his brilliance.

mostly i was curious if anyone has anything to say (or a youtube link?) that didn't revolve solely around "ZOMGZ ARM". at least a few of you did.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkeP0nnK1s8

[georgiafan]

i'm completely willing to be convinced that i'm wrong. like i said earlier, i didn't see every georgia game (though i did see a few), so maybe i missed his brilliance.

mostly i was curious if anyone has anything to say (or a youtube link?) that didn't revolve solely around "ZOMGZ ARM". at least a few of you did.

A lot of people say he makes bad decisions and thats one of his greatest weakness. So I'll break down all of his interceptions

Alabama - Hail Mary pass on the last play on the half with his team down like 4 TD's

Tenn. - 1st - A fade route to the corner of the endzone and the WR ran the wrong route
2nd - A screen pass to a WR on a gimicky play where he the pass was thrown before he looked over to that side. The DE just happen to read the play perfect

Vandy - 1st - He underthrew Momass near the endzone this one was all his fault. It was 3rd down so it ending up being like a punt.
2nd - A deflected pass

UF - Two of the 3's interceptions were wrong route by the WR per Mark Richyt

GT - Made a bad pass this one was his fault

MSU - Should have been caught by Moore it hit im in the chest

[Babylon]

I want to see Scott make Stafford's case.

He said Stafford will be the only prospect getting the "Elite" label from him right?

I thought Scott had stated he expected 4 or 5 elites. My guess those would be Stafford, Curry, maybe Crabtree, Andre Smith and Jenkins. just a guess.

[soybean]

A lot of people say he makes bad decisions and thats one of his greatest weakness. So I'll break down all of his interceptions

Alabama - Hail Mary pass on the last play on the half with his team down like 4 TD's

Tenn. - 1st - A fade route to the corner of the endzone and the WR ran the wrong route
2nd - A screen pass to a WR on a gimicky play where he the pass was thrown before he looked over to that side. The DE just happen to read the play perfect

Vandy - 1st - He underthrew Momass near the endzone this one was all his fault. It was 3rd down so it ending up being like a punt.
2nd - A deflected pass

UF - Two of the 3's interceptions were wrong route by the WR per Mark Richyt

GT - Made a bad pass this one was his fault

MSU - Should have been caught by Moore it hit im in the chest

yeah, but you making excuses for his INTs makes it seem his INTs are some how "better" than the other qbs. It's not like he's the only recipient of receivers running bad routes or tipped passes.

[San Diego Chicken]

Personally, I think that this is going to be a great debate going all the way up to draft day. There are good reasons to take either Stafford or Sanchez.

Stafford has that raw ability, and he really improved his game markedly each college season, and responded well to adversity. He had the bad game against Florida, but then came out and played lights out down the stretch.

Sanchez is very polished, and I love his feet. He's extremely light on his feet and that is something that is crucial in the NFL. He seems to go from dropping back to perfectly balanced and set up in the blink of an eye.

[illmatic74]

Personally, I think that this is going to be a great debate going all the way up to draft day. There are good reasons to take either Stafford or Sanchez.

Stafford has that raw ability, and he really improved his game markedly each college season, and responded well to adversity. He had the bad game against Florida, but then came out and played lights out down the stretch.

Sanchez is very polished, and I love his feet. He's extremely light on his feet and that is something that is crucial in the NFL. He seems to go from dropping back to perfectly balanced and set up in the blink of an eye.It doesn't seem to be much of a debate to me one player seems to have better physical tools, more experience, is younger, more upside, better pocket presence, was given more responsibility in his offense, better decision maker and has a quicker release. The argument for #2 seems to be a betterquestion than who is #1.

[yourfavestoner]

It doesn't seem to be much of a debate to me one player seems to have better physical tools, more experience, is younger, more upside, better pocket presence, was given more responsibility in his offense, better decision maker and has a quicker release. The argument for #2 seems to be a betterquestion than who is #1.

I agree. I really don't see how it is a debate at all. Is there any trait in which Stafford isn't better than Sanchez at?

I really don't see what the fuss with Sanchez is about. He went to a super hyped up high school program, which led him to a super hyped up college program, which is turning out to be this super hyped up quarterback. Which he simply isn't warranted, seeing as how he's been on a better team than everyone he has played against since high school.

And let's get this rocket arm poppycock out of here. Mark Sanchez does not have an elite arm. He doesn't even have a good arm. His arm strength is just about average for an NFL starter.

[Zyro_1014]

I agree. I really don't see how it is a debate at all. Is there any trait in which Stafford isn't better than Sanchez at?

I really don't see what the fuss with Sanchez is about. He went to a super hyped up high school program, which led him to a super hyped up college program, which is turning out to be this super hyped up quarterback. Which he simply isn't warranted, seeing as how he's been on a better team than everyone he has played against since high school.

And let's get this rocket arm poppycock out of here. Mark Sanchez does not have an elite arm. He doesn't even have a good arm. His arm strength is just about average for an NFL starter.

ive seen him do things that would make you change that statement.

[eazyb81]

And let's get this rocket arm poppycock out of here. Mark Sanchez does not have an elite arm. He doesn't even have a good arm. His arm strength is just about average for an NFL starter.

I was with you until here. Saying his arm is just average is simply not true. Have you watched him play much? I'd be surprised if you see any scouting reports from here until the draft that are as bearish on his arm as you are.

Seriously, go look up some of his clips on YouTube. If anything, his arm is getting knocked way too much just because he's being compared to Stafford.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I like Sanchez quite a bit. He would have been ahead of Bradford if all three had left school early.

That said, Stafford is ahead of Sanchez for right now. I like Mark a little bit more in the intermediate passing game right. He times his throws a little better and has great pocket awarness. Maybe that's the confidence of being a USC quarterback, maybe not. But I definitely think he has the skills. I like him more than I did Leinart, at least for the time being.

[San Diego Chicken]

I agree. I really don't see how it is a debate at all. Is there any trait in which Stafford isn't better than Sanchez at?

I really don't see what the fuss with Sanchez is about. He went to a super hyped up high school program, which led him to a super hyped up college program, which is turning out to be this super hyped up quarterback. Which he simply isn't warranted, seeing as how he's been on a better team than everyone he has played against since high school.

And let's get this rocket arm poppycock out of here. Mark Sanchez does not have an elite arm. He doesn't even have a good arm. His arm strength is just about average for an NFL starter.

The biggest thing to me is that Stafford seems slow, not footspeed slow, but slow in his reactions, slow in his drops, slower in going through his progressions. Just my opinion. I'd like to hear what some of the scouts and so called experts think about it. I prefer QB's with quick feet and have quick reactions, like a Tony Romo, as opposed to a guy who might be slower (i.e. Jason Campbell - not saying he is bad)

[illmatic74]

Once again I think there is a significant difference between Stafford and Sanchez as propsects.. This seems as silly as when people argued Adrian Peterson or MArshawn Lynch expect Sanchez is the one with injury concerns.

[soybean]

I was with you until here. Saying his arm is just average is simply not true. Have you watched him play much? I'd be surprised if you see any scouting reports from here until the draft that are as bearish on his arm as you are.

Seriously, go look up some of his clips on YouTube. If anything, his arm is getting knocked way too much just because he's being compared to Stafford.

actually, YFS has probably seen more of sanchez than the rest of us.

[Saints-Tigers]

depends what he means by an average arm, I'd say he's average at best if we are talking starting QB's, and if we are debating him as a high level prospect, we should be comparing to starters right?

Does Sanchez have a top 10-20 arm among NFL starters? I'm not so sure, he might be on the lower end of that spectrum if at all.

I'm just not feeling Sanchez as any more than a solid QB prospect, definitely not in the discussion with Stafford.

[MetSox17]

Anyone questioning Sanchez's arm is being a little too meticulous. He doesn't have a JaMarcus Russell arm, but there is no doubt this guy can make all NFL throws. I hate going to a highlight reel, but look at some of these throws and tell me Chad Pennington or Jake Delhomme can make them.

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[giantsfan]

I think he goes top 10, because someone who won't get a shot at Stafford will fall in love with him and take him or trade up for him. His arm isn't in Stafford's league, although it is a strength. He's quick in the pocket but seems jumpyer in the pocket than stafford who's a more methodical QB. He clearly hasn't had to deal with nearly as much responsibilty as stafford and hasn't shown that you can trust him to bring a team back yet. I think he's going to be controlled by his emotions too much. As I type this I can't help but feel like I'm describing tony romo whereas stafford reads like a less godly cutler.

[CaliPanthers420]

I dont see Mark Sanchez with a Tony Romo like mentality. I see Sanchez with more of a Favre like mentality, not the gun slinger, just the fact that Favre gets really into it when he scores a TD, he will slap a lineman on the backside, he is just one of the guys but the leader of his football team. To me, Romo is the happy go lucky guy, very laid back but not as assertive.

[ElectricEye]

Stafford deserves the CLEAR edge over Sanchez. I'm not real high on Stafford either. If Bradford had come out, I would have had him over him by a bit more than most.

Stafford has advantages over Sanchez in a few key areas
-Arm strength. Easy one. Sanchez has a very good arm that's pretty underrated, but Stafford is special here.
-Experience. Stafford was basically a three year starter. Sanchez only had a year.
-Level of competition/talent differential. Stafford played in the tougher conference with less talent around him, especially at offensive line. Personally, I think this is more than a bit overrated about him, but it deserves being mentioned in direct comparison to Stafford.

There's a lot to like about Sanchez. He's more accurate than Stafford and generally looks less awkward. He has fantastic mechanics and a very good delivery. Also takes the edge athletically. He's not in Stafford's league though. Too many questions. Not experienced enough.

[MetSox17]

The only thing i do knock on Sanchez is experience, but as a certain quarterback has shown us, you don't need to start a whole lot of games in your career to be successful. He has shown that he has what it takes to be good at the next level, and there will be one really lucky team to snag him of he happens to fall out of the top ten, which is very likely.

With that said, i have a huge man-crush on Mark Sanchez, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

[MenOfTroy]

He doesn't even have a good arm. His arm strength is just about average for an NFL starter.

Are you sure you're watching the right quarterback? He's got a very strong arm, just a notch below Stafford whose arm is special. See this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmSapvFrnBQ (of note, 0:50, 1:55, 2:15, 4:00, 6:20)

Is there any trait in which Stafford isn't better than Sanchez at?

Sanchez: accuracy, footwork, mechanics, mobility -- also, his play as a first-year starter is on par with Stafford's play as a third-year starter (upside may be better)

Stafford: arm strength, experience

I give Stafford the slight edge because of his ridiculous arm and his experience, but in all likelihood both of these guys are going to be really good. I love the fact that they're both pro-style QBs who have all of the physical tools you look for. I wouldn't be shocked, though, if some teams rate Sanchez #1 or vice versa after the combine and workouts.

One thing that I like about Sanchez, which hasn't been noted, is that his dropback is awesome. He drops back and gets set to throw faster than anyone else, his mechanics in that respect are flawless.

[TACKLE]

The thing that Sanchez does much better than Stafford is he has the ability to make good throws with pressure in his face. This is vital to being a successful QB in the NFL. This is a more important attribute than arm strength. Every successful NFL QB can make the throws in the pocket while being hit. I see that as being the major hole in Stafford's game. When I watch him, he tends to throw the ball in the dirt or throws it away when pressure is coming up the middle. His accuracy is way off in these situations. Sanchez steps up into the pocket and still has the ability to make accurate throws down the field. At this point, that's what leads me to believe that Sanchez will be a more successful pro than Stafford.


The only thing i do knock on Sanchez is experience, but as a certain quarterback has shown us, you don't need to start a whole lot of games in your career to be successful

MetSox, this probably obvious but who are you referring to?

[MarioPalmer]

Metsox, I absolutely loved the video montage of Sanchez. Thank you for that. I would just like to say I DO NOT see Stafford scambling like that and making the play with his head always looking down field like Sanchez does in the highlight video. It was a perfect montage of what Sanchez does so well. With the league turing to more athleticly gifted QBs that have the ability to scrmable a bit and throw on the move you have to be love Mark Sanchez. His only knock is his experience. And most of us would agree that he would be a top 5 pick next year if he had stayed, I don't see how that hurts him. If he does go to St.Louis which I hoping for, he won't have to play at all through the entire 2009 season. Bulger will get killed and Sanchez will hold the clipboard and he will be redshirted and then in 2010 Sanchez will be welcomed as the 2010 Rams starter.

His arm strength is in the same league as Jay Cutler. Matt Ryan didn't have a cannon, that was Joe Flacco remember, and he was pciked over Flacco by about 11 or 12 picks and on top of that I would bet the world that the Falcons would pick the same player if they had it to do over again. Actually I would bet that Matt Ryan in hind sight goes #1 overall to the Dolphins had they had it to do over again. So arm strength isn't the only sign of elite QB. Remember JaMarcus Russell? He was supposedly the strongest armed QB ever to come into the league and he started 2 and a hlaf years and he hasn't been a #1 overall pci at all since being drafted. So why would Stafford fair any better? I would bet that if Russell was in this draft he would be hands down a better so called prospect than Stafford. He is 6'6 250lbs and has an absolute rocket launcher for an arm. I would take Matt Ryan over Russell same as I would take Cutler, Rivers, Manning and Rothlisberger and all of them have lesser arms. So please stop using the big arm as the one deciding factor to why a QNB is better.

Same can be said about experience when you really look at it. Vick only had 2 years, Cassell never played at all, Brady was a backup to, yeah thats right, sucky Drew Hanson. So just because a Joey Harrington or Akili Smith sucked big ones, doesn't mean that Sanchez automatically is a worser pick. Remember, David Carr was a 3+ year starter and he went to an aweful team and he fell apart.

Does Stafford have the mental makeup to play for a suck team like Detroit before they get enough around him to turn it around? That coud take up to 3 years before they see even a bit of difference. He has to be able to take that kind of beating and keep coming back for more. I don't know if he has that.

[MenOfTroy]

Mark Sanchez is a carbon copy of Aaron Rodgers, IMO... and personally, there aren't many NFL QBs I'd rather have on my team over Aaron Rodgers.

[ElectricEye]

Few things wrong here;

His arm strength is in the same league as Jay Cutler.
No, no it isn't. Just no. Stafford's arm is in the same league as Cutler. Sanchez has more than enough arm strength to get the ball wherever he needs it to be, but Cutler has special arm strength. So does Russell. So does Stafford. Sanchez's arm is in the same league as a Brady Quinn type.


So arm strength isn't the only sign of elite QB. Remember JaMarcus Russell? He was supposedly the strongest armed QB ever to come into the league and he started 2 and a hlaf years and he hasn't been a #1 overall pci at all since being drafted. So why would Stafford fair any better? I would bet that if Russell was in this draft he would be hands down a better so called prospect than Stafford. He is 6'6 250lbs and has an absolute rocket launcher for an arm. I would take Matt Ryan over Russell same as I would take Cutler, Rivers, Manning and Rothlisberger and all of them have lesser arms. So please stop using the big arm as the one deciding factor to why a QNB is better.
So because Jamarcus Russell has a big arm and isn't doing well that means Stafford will fair the same? I think we both know that doesn't make much sense. Arm strength is a plus. It always has, it always will be. It's the tiebreaker. If quarterbacks have equal or close to the same skill in other categories, you look at who can fit the ball in a tighter hole and who can throw it further. It should never be viewed as a negative, and it shouldn't be used to profile a guy. It's a trait, not a profile. As far as the argument about taking Matt Ryan over Russell, yeah, I think everyone would. The examples you list aren't quite so good. Save Rivers, all of those guys have big time arms.


Same can be said about experience when you really look at it. Vick only had 2 years, Cassell never played at all, Brady was a backup to, yeah thats right, sucky Drew Hanson. So just because a Joey Harrington or Akili Smith sucked big ones, doesn't mean that Sanchez automatically is a worser pick. Remember, David Carr was a 3+ year starter and he went to an aweful team and he fell apart.
Experience comes into play for sure. Just because guys have come in without a ton of college experience doesn't mean that Sanchez will be terrible, but it certainly isn't a good precedent to be following. Some of those examples you have listed are off a bit as well. Brady actually started over Henson most of the time, and David Carr was only a two year starter. Just like with Sanchez, experience was a major knock.

The arm isn't a concern with Sanchez at all, but he's in a pretty bad group of guys with only one year as a starter. That doesn't mean he can't overcome that, and for the record I think the entire 35+ start thing is complete bull, but for that reason alone I think it's kind of absurd to try to peg him above Stafford. Stafford has more than his fair share of issues and he isn't as natural as a passer as Sanchez, but he's paid his dues to solidify himself as the best quarterback available.

[MenOfTroy]

So because Jamarcus Russell has a big arm and isn't doing well that means Stafford will fair the same? I think we both know that doesn't make much sense. Arm strength is a plus.

Agree that arm strength is a plus, *but* if you take away Stafford's elite arm, he probably isn't even a 1st-round prospect... lacks the polish and consistency you see in other top prospects.

[MetSox17]

Mark Sanchez is a carbon copy of Aaron Rodgers, IMO... and personally, there aren't many NFL QBs I'd rather have on my team over Aaron Rodgers.

I can see some resemblance there, but physically, Sanchez is a lot better. I'm absolutely in love with Mark Sanchez as a prospect, and i have no doubt this kid will succeed in the next level. Just look at the beautiful accuracy he displays on the post routes he throws, and all thrown on a rope. Look at the plays where the offensive line is pushed back. Sanchez sits pretty in the pocket, and lasers the pass out to the open guy. I have no clue where this lack of armstrength nonsense came about.

And Tackle, i was referring to Matt Cassell.

[ElectricEye]

Agree that arm strength is a plus, *but* if you take away Stafford's elite arm, he probably isn't even a 1st-round prospect... lacks the polish and consistency you see in other top prospects.

That might be true, but he's always going to have that big time arm that gives him an edge over guys like Sanchez. There's a lot I don't like about Stafford but he's come a long way as a prospect, especially this year. He's still going to have to play catchup in a couple of areas(I'm still not confident in his vision. Doesn't seem to see all of the field.) but he's come a long way. He really elevated his game after that ugly loss to Florida.

The Rogers comparison for Sanchez is perfect by the way. Sanchez has better mechanics coming out though. Doesn't hold the ball the way he did, which was pretty ugly. Rogers is all fixed up now though.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Mark Sanchez is a carbon copy of Aaron Rodgers, IMO... and personally, there aren't many NFL QBs I'd rather have on my team over Aaron Rodgers.

Not quite as accurate or efficient with his mechanics, but Sanchez is a better deep passer.

[MetSox17]

Not quite as accurate or efficient with his mechanics, but Sanchez is a better deep passer.

By accurate, are you still referring to his mechanics, or with the ball?

[Paranoidmoonduck]

By accurate, are you still referring to his mechanics, or with the ball?

By mechanics, I mean that Rodgers kept his arms further in and got the ball out as fast as any quarterback prospect I've ever seen. And he was wicked precise in the short to intermediate game. Sanchez's mechanics are good, but they can get a little more wild and he doesn't have as good pass placement as consistently as Rodgers had.

[MetSox17]

By mechanics, I mean that Rodgers kept his arms further in and got the ball out as fast as any quarterback prospect I've ever seen. And he was wicked precise in the short to intermediate game. Sanchez's mechanics are good, but they can get a little more wild and he doesn't have as good pass placement as consistently as Rodgers had.

I don't think the extra little crank in his throwing motion affects his passing too much. In fact i like that he does that. It makes me feel assured that he's putting as much zip as needed in the pass. I think we're just splitting hairs now, because his release really isn't a concern. I don't think we got to see enough of Sanchez in the intermediate game to make a good assessment of it. His deep throws though, are simply amazing. The accuracy he displays on routes that are 15, 20 yards down the field is second to none.

[MenOfTroy]

One thing to consider is that, after a threshold of arm strength, accuracy becomes more important than that extra arm strength. That's the consensus I've heard in the past regarding successful QBs. So even though Stafford has the elite arm, it could be that accuracy is more important if both prospects have at least sufficient arm strength.

[MetSox17]

One thing to consider is that, after a threshold of arm strength, accuracy becomes more important than that extra arm strength. That's the consensus I've heard in the past regarding successful QBs. So even though Stafford has the elite arm, it could be that accuracy is more important if both prospects have at least sufficient arm strength.

I agree completely. Tom Brady is the perfect example. He doesn't have out of this world arm strength, but damn can that guy put it right in the bread basket.

[illmatic74]

I agree completely. Tom Brady is the perfect example. He doesn't have out of this world arm strength, but damn can that guy put it right in the bread basket.The problem is Sanchez's arm strength is not as good as Brady's. Also if you watched the two QBs Stafford had even more polish, consistency and accuracy.

[Saints-Tigers]

I love how people are using the QB's in terrible situations(Oakland) as a barometer. JaMarcus Russell has terrible protection, and nothing on the outside, what do people expect him to do?

[MarioPalmer]

I love how people are using the QB's in terrible situations(Oakland) as a barometer. JaMarcus Russell has terrible protection, and nothing on the outside, what do people expect him to do?

I actually really like Russell as a QB, he has everything from a physical stand point, but some of the instances stand out to me that make me rethink his ability to succeed at the Pro level. His mental makeup is no where near where it should be. And just the rumors alone of him being at or over 300lbs. at the beginning of the training camp of this past season scare the **** out of me. Also his lack of focus when showing up to the combine fat and over weight justr screams red flags.

Russell has the physical tools to be an elite QB, but his mental side of the game has to pick up. He was the #1 overall pick of the 2007 Draft for God sake and should be carrying himself like it and start leading the Oakland Raiders like a top elite QB does.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

All of this "mental makeup" talk on Russell has never really had much evidence, as far as I can tell. He showed up at the combine at his playing weight He was never 300 lbs in training camp.

[Saints-Tigers]

Russell was close to 270 his entire final season at LSU, yet he was listed at 250-255, so when he showed up at 265+, it blew up...

[MarioPalmer]

I agree, but you can't deny the rumors that were leading up to this past season. You remember them, "Russell enter training camp at over 300+" and so on. I like him physically, I actually put him in the same catagory as Palmer in terms of on the field talent, but I want to see more of a leader and more of a fire from him before I annoit him the next best thing.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I agree, but you can't deny the rumors that were leading up to this past season. You remember them, "Russell enter training camp at over 300+" and so on. I like him physically, I actually put him in the same catagory as Palmer in terms of on the field talent, but I want to see more of a leader and more of a fire from him before I annoit him the next best thing.

That was one rumor and it was Don Banks writing complete falsehoods. Russell showed up at training camp at 274 lbs.

[CC.SD]

That was one rumor and it was Don Banks writing complete falsehoods. Russell showed up at training camp at 274 lbs.

Only 274 huh? Does everyone understand how huge that is? For a QB? Jamarcus is supersized no matter what the number on the scale says.

[georgiafan]

Does anyone else but me think he will drop a bit come draft day? Because his lack of games started and off the field issues. Even if he did drop it might be good for him in the long run.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Only 274 huh? Does everyone understand how huge that is? For a QB? Jamarcus is supersized no matter what the number on the scale says.

I know it's big, but it's his playing weight, so what are you going to do? He carries it fine and if you look at pictures from the first couple days of 2008's training camp, he actually looks pretty trim.

So long as he can still move around the pocket, I have no problems with his weight. And it definitely doesn't indicate a lack of work ethic in that regard if it's the weight he naturally plays at.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Pete Carroll thinks Sanchez will be a bust: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/arash_markazi/01/16/carroll/index.html?eref=sircrc

And Carroll knows something about being a bust in the NFL

[SenorGato]

All of this "mental makeup" talk on Russell has never really had much evidence, as far as I can tell. He showed up at the combine at his playing weight He was never 300 lbs in training camp.

Exactly. I remember hearing both stories, and I remember thinking.."HE'S NOT 300 POUNDS!!"

I like Russel...on a better team I think he looks much better than he did last season...and the thing is he didn't look THAT bad at all last year when you consider everything.

Russel is just one of the many young players in the NFL who's going to have to put up with the fact that fans don't like to watch things develop. They need it now. Yesterday would have been better.

[Babylon]

Does anyone else but me think he will drop a bit come draft day? Because his lack of games started and off the field issues. Even if he did drop it might be good for him in the long run.

I think there are a couple of entry points for him. KC at 3, San Fran at 10. If he gets by those two he probably gets down to the Vikings and Bucs.

[ShutDwn]

Pete Carroll thinks Sanchez will be a bust: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/arash_markazi/01/16/carroll/index.html?eref=sircrc

And Carroll knows something about being a bust in the NFL

This is a pure business decision, Sanchez is only second behind Stafford, as opposed to staying and coming out with guys like Bradford and Mccoy.

[MetSox17]

Pete Carroll thinks Sanchez will be a bust: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/arash_markazi/01/16/carroll/index.html?eref=sircrc

And Carroll knows something about being a bust in the NFL

Okay first off, way to misconstrue a quote that wasn't even finished in that article. God, i hate SI, and this trash is what makes it worse. Besides, where the heck in that article was it quoted from Pete Carroll saying Sanchez would bust?

"We've talked at great depth and great length. We've covered this from A to Z ... going until late last night," Carroll said. "We don't see this decision the same. (But) I'm thrilled for Mark. For any of our kids to live the dream and do what they want to do with their football career, this is a great place to do this."

- Pete Carroll

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9080954/USC-QB-Sanchez-will-enter-NFL-draft

[Zyro_1014]

“Even though we disagree, I still support him and we’re going to try to help him in any way we can,” Carroll said. “It’s like a family member — you’re not going to stop loving him just because he makes a bad choice.

“Hopefully he’ll overcome the history of these decisions and the people’s opinions out there and becomes very successful.”

-Pete Carroll

http://www.petecarroll.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/412690/pid/400025

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Okay first off, way to misconstrue a quote that wasn't even finished in that article. God, i hate SI, and this trash is what makes it worse. Besides, where the heck in that article was it quoted from Pete Carroll saying Sanchez would bust?


[/B]
- Pete Carroll

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9080954/USC-QB-Sanchez-will-enter-NFL-draft

Did you miss the long list of statistics Carroll laid out of QBs who have failed upon entering the draft early? It's obvious he doesn't think Sanchez should leave early. I think it has more to do with him not actually caring about Sanchez and just being pissed that he has to go down a spot on his depth chart for a QB next year, but yea

[Babylon]

Did you miss the long list of statistics Carroll laid out of QBs who have failed upon entering the draft early? It's obvious he doesn't think Sanchez should leave early. I think it has more to do with him not actually caring about Sanchez and just being pissed that he has to go down a spot on his depth chart for a QB next year, but yea

I dont see it as Pete not caring about Sanchez. Why even ask for advice if you arent going to take the good with the bad. Sure coach is probably upset at losing his QB but to say he doesnt care about the kid to me is offbase.

[Zyro_1014]

Did you miss the long list of statistics Carroll laid out of QBs who have failed upon entering the draft early? It's obvious he doesn't think Sanchez should leave early. I think it has more to do with him not actually caring about Sanchez and just being pissed that he has to go down a spot on his depth chart for a QB next year, but yea

if you read the article i posted. he says that he was talking to Marc in concern of Marc and not the team, Pete prolly knows better than anybody that the extra year for Marc prolly could have done wonders for him.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

I dont see it as Pete not caring about Sanchez. Why even ask for advice if you arent going to take the good with the bad. Sure coach is probably upset at losing his QB but to say he doesnt care about the kid to me is offbase.

Giving the kid your opinion is fine in private

Don't see the use of stating it during his press conference

[Halsey]

Carrol came across as a jerk at the press conference. Sanchez stayed at USC four years and will graduate in May. So what if some study points out that 62% of undergraduate QB's don't pan out. Whoa, big numbers....62%... Every QB is different and stats like that mean squat. One former USC QB proved this year that a QB can have a successful pro career without ever starting a college game. Besides, Sanchez is giving another super talented elite QB recruit a chance to play next year.

[Babylon]

Giving the kid your opinion is fine in private

Don't see the use of stating it during his press conference


I agree with that but how does he answer a question about his recommendation? Does he just say no comment?

[BBIB]

Saying he'd go top 5 next year is pure speculation on your part. You don't have a f'n crystal ball. Sanchez is great friends with Leinart, who personally experienced a fall from a guaranteed #1 pick if he came out his junior year to barely top ten after his senior year.

Sanchez is going to be a top 5 pick, and anyone that says this was "one of the worst decisions ever by a draft prospect" needs to get their head examined.

I didn't say top 5 I said top 20. Same where he's guaranteed next year.

The only QB that would go ahead of him would be Bradford. He'd still be a top 2 QB in the draft.

Except he'd have that extra year of experience which historically makes a HUGE difference.

Even Pete Carroll has hinted at how terrible a decision it was by Sanchez.

[Menardo75]

No matter what the stats are on any QB, the fact remains that drafting a QB is always a crapshoot.

[BBIB]

No matter what the stats are on any QB, the fact remains that drafting a QB is always a crapshoot.

Actually the only numbers that have been reliable have been experience and Mark Sanchez quite frankly doesn't have much

[Buc Baller12]

You can tab tampa in the running for a young QB hopefully Sanchez since we will be looking for one now that Gruden is fired.

[CC.SD]

You can tab tampa in the running for a young QB hopefully Sanchez since we will be looking for one now that Gruden is fired.

Have faith, Josh Johnson is a real QB.