Mayock Updates his Top 20 Seniors

[Iamcanadian]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d80d41b6d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

A few surprise changes. William Moore and Alphonso Smith CB dropped and Peria Jerry DT and Clay Matthews OLB added.

[bored of education]

Curry to KC please! :D

[619]

I am by no means a big fan of Oher, but to see him so far down Mayock's senior rankings is insane.

[ElectricEye]

I am by no means a big fan of Oher, but to see him so far down Mayock's senior rankings is insane.

Yeah...that one stood out to me..

[CC.SD]

Clay in the top 20? Srsly? There goes my dream of picking him up in the 4th.

[Menardo75]

Mayock is the NFL network version of Todd McShay.

[Pokeys]

No WR's, No RB's... No surprise I guess.

Anyone else think Curry looks a bit like Gregory Oden?

[Iamcanadian]

Mayock is the NFL network version of Todd McShay.

Except Mayock finishes with a much higher ranking at predicting the draft. He is usually #1 or #2 when all is said and done.
He has immense access to the league's GM's and scouts and has limitless quantities of professional quality film which nobody else can come close to matching.

[PACKmanN]

is Curry really 21 or 22? he looks like he is 30 in that pic lol.

[NinersfaninCanada]

Except Mayock finishes with a much higher ranking at predicting the draft. He is usually #1 or #2 when all is said and done.
He has immense access to the league's GM's and scouts and has limitless quantities of professional quality film which nobody else can come close to matching.


I agree. Mayock is great, rather entertaining too. He can get a little heavy with the cliches but he is usually pretty accurate. Also, he trusts what he sees and he isn't afraid to go out on a limb because of that.

P.S. Wallaceburg Ontario, Nice! I was born there!

[keylime_5]

Mayock knows his stuff. And Oher has been dropping, he is about where most experts have him. Heck, I think McShay and Kiper have Oher lower than Mayock. People I know say he's a mid to late first, he gets overhyped on the internet. One draft expert I know who's specialty is offensive line scouting said Oher and Terrence Cody were the two most overhyped prospects eligible for the 09 draft.

[Iamcanadian]

I agree. Mayock is great, rather entertaining too. He can get a little heavy with the cliches but he is usually pretty accurate. Also, he trusts what he sees and he isn't afraid to go out on a limb because of that.

P.S. Wallaceburg Ontario, Nice! I was born there!

Really, your from Wallaceburg originally. Where do you live now and what is you name?

[bitonti]

One draft expert I know who's specialty is offensive line scouting said Oher and Terrence Cody were the two most overhyped prospects eligible for the 09 draft.

seriously question the expert credentials of someone who said that

best case these guys are just trying to nitpick/drive down their values... or those guys don't fit that team's system

worst case they don't know what they are talking about, sorry.

gil brandt likened oher to jake long... but with BETTER athleticism. there hasn't been a true NT prospect like COdy for a long time.

we can all come down on one side of this fence or another, let it be known I watch alot of OL and believe Michael Oher and Terrance Cody will be very good, if not great, professional players.

[BRAVEHEART]

Really, your from Wallaceburg originally. Where do you live now and what is you name?

Help I need an adult!!!

[NIN1984]

Clay in the top 20? Srsly? There goes my dream of picking him up in the 4th.

I don't think he was in Mayock's top 20 last time, he's moving up.

[thebow305]

Some surprising names there, including Mr. Overrated at #1. Call me crazy, but i'd take Michael Johnson 100 times out of 100 over Larry English.

[bernbabybern820]

I don't think he was in Mayock's top 20 last time, he's moving up.

He was 21st last time just off the top 20 list.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I am by no means a big fan of Oher, but to see him so far down Mayock's senior rankings is insane.

Is 12th really all that bad? I've seen some people rate Oher much lower.

[ironman4579]

Some surprising names there, including Mr. Overrated at #1. Call me crazy, but i'd take Michael Johnson 100 times out of 100 over Larry English.

But you know you always like the freakishly athletic guys over the production guys.

[keylime_5]

seriously question the expert credentials of someone who said that

best case these guys are just trying to nitpick/drive down their values... or those guys don't fit that team's system

worst case they don't know what they are talking about, sorry.

gil brandt likened oher to jake long... but with BETTER athleticism. there hasn't been a true NT prospect like COdy for a long time.

we can all come down on one side of this fence or another, let it be known I watch alot of OL and believe Michael Oher and Terrance Cody will be very good, if not great, professional players.

not including Kiper and McShay necessarily, some of the people who say Oher is very overated and wont' go higher than the mid-first round absolutely know what they're talking about, the one specializes in OLine analysis. Mayock knows what he's talking about too, he's one of the best draft guys out there, he knows how to analyze film and evaluate players.

[bitonti]

not including Kiper and McShay necessarily, some of the people who say Oher is very overated and wont' go higher than the mid-first round absolutely know what they're talking about, the one specializes in OLine analysis. Mayock knows what he's talking about too, he's one of the best draft guys out there, he knows how to analyze film and evaluate players.

name me these experts. so far you've mentioned mcshay, kiper and mayock. not exactly a who's who of reliability. i've countered with Gil Brandt, who assembled a super bowl team, and Dave Te Thomas who does the rankings for NFLDS. and all the coaches in the SEC who gave the best blocker award to Oher over Andre Smith...

[wonderbredd24]

Are the guys who constantly try to tear down people like Mayock trying to suck up or something?

I don't understand what's so wrong with him having a different opinion... especially when the draft is still 4 months away

[P-L]

name me these experts. so far you've mentioned mcshay, kiper and mayock. not exactly a who's who of reliability. i've countered with Gil Brandt, who assembled a super bowl team, and Dave Te Thomas who does the rankings for NFLDS. and all the coaches in the SEC who gave the best blocker award to Oher over Andre Smith...
Brandt worked for the Cowboys so he can never be wrong? Mayock has a pretty solid track record at predicting the draft, at least compared to most guys.

[ironman4579]

name me these experts. so far you've mentioned mcshay, kiper and mayock. not exactly a who's who of reliability. i've countered with Gil Brandt, who assembled a super bowl team, and Dave Te Thomas who does the rankings for NFLDS. and all the coaches in the SEC who gave the best blocker award to Oher over Andre Smith...

As has been said already, Mayock at least is actually quite reliable with his mock drafts in the end, as well as having access to a ton of inside sources and info. Brandt is very knowledgable and has great insider info as well, even if he is an extreme Texas fluffer.

[Mr.Regular]

Really, your from Wallaceburg originally. Where do you live now and what is you name?
Hey, Im not from Wallaceburg but I was born and raised in Sarnia, and still live there in the summer months when Im not at school.

[Dr_X]

Last year, Mayock repeatedly said he does not have McFadden in his top 20. That is okay from a talent perspective if he chooses, but he didn't have him drafted in the top 10, maybe 20 either. Last year his March mock had exactly ZERO correct predictions for the top 10. I truly haven't noticed anything special about his analysis.

I know a lot of Bills fans were impressed he had them taking Donte Whitner in 2006, but that was the DAY before the draft he predicted that. Who cares about mocks that late? To me, he's just another guy. And until these guys do the combine, or until the head scouts really start talking over the next couple months, anyone's analysis is as good as another.

[illmatic74]

Last year, Mayock repeatedly said he does not have McFadden in his top 20. That is okay from a talent perspective if he chooses, but he didn't have him drafted in the top 10, maybe 20 either. Last year his March mock had exactly ZERO correct predictions for the top 10. I truly haven't noticed anything special about his analysis.

I know a lot of Bills fans were impressed he had them taking Donte Whitner in 2006, but that was the DAY before the draft he predicted that. Who cares about mocks that late? To me, he's just another guy. And until these guys do the combine, or until the head scouts really start talking over the next couple months, anyone's analysis is as good as another.He said McFadden wasn't worth a top 20 pick. Also most guys get most picks wrong on their day before mock draft.

[bitonti]

As has been said already, Mayock at least is actually quite reliable with his mock drafts in the end, as well as having access to a ton of inside sources and info.

there are other sources that are more reliable, including Scott

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/top100mock.shtml

by the way Mayock was a DB what does he know about OL?

[illmatic74]

there are other sources that are more reliable, including Scott

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/top100mock.shtml

by the way Mayock was a DB what does he know about OL?His father was a coach also if you know football well enough you could scout all positions.

[bitonti]

His father was a coach also if you know football well enough you could scout all positions.

that's not how the NFL teams assign scouts... they all have positional specialities

[Geo]

This is Mayock being cute.

As the Draft approaches, and he talks to NFL people, he gets closer. Especially two or three weeks right before the Draft.

[illmatic74]

This is Mayock being cute.

As the Draft approaches, and he talks to NFL people, he gets closer. Especially two or three weeks right before the Draft.Sometimes though the closer to the draft the more everyones board looks like Mayock's

[HeavyLeggedWaistBender]

Mike Mayock OWNS Todd McShay

He even has awesome made up words. [see my wicked user name]

[keylime_5]

name me these experts. so far you've mentioned mcshay, kiper and mayock. not exactly a who's who of reliability. i've countered with Gil Brandt, who assembled a super bowl team, and Dave Te Thomas who does the rankings for NFLDS. and all the coaches in the SEC who gave the best blocker award to Oher over Andre Smith...

lol, like the coaches and sports writers who named Duke Robinson and Phil Loadholt all american and all big twelve, even though Trent Williams graded out as the best Oklahoma OLineman by his coaches this year and is definitely a better pro prospect. All-SEC and All-American's don't mean **** when it comes to the draft. Mayock knows how to evaluate talent, so do some of the people I talk to. Gil brandt's draft projections always suck too, he had Brohm or someone like that in his top ten last december I think.

[I_C_DeadPeople]

If Oher is overrated and falling I suppose he looks golden in the eyes of the Bengals crack scouting staff..sigh..

[wonderbredd24]

Personally, I think the idea that Oher is falling is overrated.

I will not be shocked in the least if 4 tackles go in the top 10.

Tackles always seem to go earlier than people expect. Duane Brown was a good example last year

[rfc17]

Last year, Mayock repeatedly said he does not have McFadden in his top 20.

well based on rookie impressions, should McFadden have been drafted in the first 20 players? probably not.

i know you seem to be more concerend with how well Mayock predicted who each team would pick, but frankly i want a draft analyst who will tell me how good these players will be. nobody knows who these teams will pick except for the teams themselves and anyone they decide to tell. everything else is just a guessing game.

[Splat]

Curry to KC please! :D

Can he play MLB and is he worth the 3rd pick?

I don't know much about him other then scouts seem to have a man crush.

[Iamcanadian]

Last year, Mayock repeatedly said he does not have McFadden in his top 20. That is okay from a talent perspective if he chooses, but he didn't have him drafted in the top 10, maybe 20 either. Last year his March mock had exactly ZERO correct predictions for the top 10. I truly haven't noticed anything special about his analysis.

I know a lot of Bills fans were impressed he had them taking Donte Whitner in 2006, but that was the DAY before the draft he predicted that. Who cares about mocks that late? To me, he's just another guy. And until these guys do the combine, or until the head scouts really start talking over the next couple months, anyone's analysis is as good as another.

Nobody can predict with any accuracy which team will take a player. Every GM has his own idea about who ranks where. There is no consensus. Mayock insisted Ryan should be the #1 guy from the get go. Just because Miami was stupid enough to not draft him doesn't take away from Mayock's ability to spot talent. Your argument is absurd there.
Mayock has fairly consistently predicted 28 correct 1st rounders for the last 2 drafts. Just because a GM choses someone else doesn't make Mayock wrong, only time will tell if he was right in his assessment as a scout. He didn't like the fact that McFadden couldn't break tackles and preferred RB's who could and I'll bet you that there were a lot of GM's who wouldn't have drafted McFadden as high as he went. Al Davis just loves speed above everything else.
What makes you think scouts and GM's aren't going over film on every player in the draft right up to the day before the draft and tinkering with their boards. If you get it right the day before the draft, that is what counts not what you predicted in January.
We won't fully know for 5 years how right or wrong Mayock was because it is how a player's career goes that answers the question about how good a scout you are not where a player was drafted. He loved Cutler before anybody else liked him and he absolutely loved Ryan when most people didn't think he was a top 10 prospect.
Every GM in the pro football business has his likes and dislikes as far as skill set is concerned, they avoid players who they don't like no matter how other teams rate them and they draft players they like. Mayock makes it clear what his preferences are and backs up his claims with solid video evidence.

[BUSTKUNTLAWL]

William Moore dropping like a rock as I predicted and have been saying all year.

I wouldn't touch him in the first two rounds.

Anyone who has Moore in the top 15 of their mock drafts is dumb.

[keylime_5]

William Moore dropping like a rock as I predicted and have been saying all year.

I wouldn't touch him in the first two rounds.

Anyone who has Moore in the top 15 of their mock drafts is dumb.

yeah, he's not what we thought he would be a year ago, but I still see him somewhere in the first day, maybe first round with a good workout and weigh in, b/c of his size and athleticism and potential.

[JDB7821]

yeah, he's not what we thought he would be a year ago, but I still see him somewhere in the first day, maybe first round with a good workout and weigh in, b/c of his size and athleticism and potential.

Reminds me of Ko Simpson.