"Anquan Boldin is a jack***"

[LonghornsLegend]

If it was TO or Chad Johnson it would be all over the news but not my words:


He tried to ruin the Super Bowl celebration with his childishness.

In the game, Boldin got into a heated argument with offensive coordinator Todd Haley. After the game, instead of celebrating with his team, Boldin abruptly left the field, then abruptly left the locker room.

It was awful behavior.

Quarterback Kurt Warner also got into an argument with Haley during the game but you didn't see Warner acting like a petulant child afterwards. He celebrated with his teammates and enjoyed the moment.

I have to say in nearly 20 years of doing this, I've never seen a player more concerned about his arguing with a coach over making a Super Bowl.

What Boldin did almost never happens.

Congratulations on making history, Anquan.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/13040597


Here's where Haley briefly talked about the exchange:

Not everyone was congratulating offensive coordinator Todd Haley on his play calling Sunday.

On the team's game-winning drive, the television broadcast showed receiver Anquan Boldin in a heated exchange with Haley.

Boldin declined comment about it after the game, and Haley called it "a heat of the moment" situation.

"We changed personnel groups out there and I put Steve Breaston in for (Boldin)," Haley said, "and he was upset about it."
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/18/20090118spt-cardsnb.html



Whatever your opinions are of his actions, does any of this increase the chances that he gets traded? I tried to lipsync the words of Boldin and Haley and I believe Boldin called Haley a p****.

[Sniper]

Damn! I guess the Cardinals should just trade him to Philly then. :D

[LonghornsLegend]

Damn! I guess the Cardinals should just trade him to Philly then. :D

The whole time during the Philly/Cards game I was thinking how badly they Eagles needed a dominant #1 WR, just seems like too much of an aggressive move and the Eagles seem to be more passive when it comes to things like this.

[Sniper]

The whole time during the Philly/Cards game I was thinking how badly they Eagles needed a dominant #1 WR, just seems like too much of an aggressive move and the Eagles seem to be more passive when it comes to things like this.

We think alike. Boldin and Jackson as the outside guys and Curtis and Avant in the slot would be pure sextastic.

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

Forget Philly. If hes going anywhere its Baltimore. I wouldn't mind giving Terrell Suggs for him... Well... umm yeah Terrell Suggs for Boldins seems aight. I'd hate to see Suggs go but if its for a guy like Boldin, whos cares. :D

[LonghornsLegend]

Here's another article, I also read that he left before the trophy presentation after the game, if that's true he's probably as good as gone.


Wearing a lime-green shirt, Boldin tried to bolt for the stadium exit before a small group of media caught him. Someone asked if reaching the Super Bowl eases what has happened between him and the franchise.

"That's not an issue," Boldin said. "Like I told you guys at the beginning of the season, my main goal was to do this. I've come through with all of my promises. I fought. I gave my heart to this organization. It's paying off."

Does he want to stay in Arizona?

"Next question."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/18/SPTB15CSDL.DTL

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Forget Philly. If hes going anywhere its Baltimore. I wouldn't mind giving Terrell Suggs for him... Well... umm yeah Terrell Suggs for Boldins seems aight. I'd hate to see Suggs go but if its for a guy like Boldin, whos cares. :D

That trade actually makes so much sense for both sides.

[Hines]

He is in the Super Bowl and bitching? I love the dude but he needs to grow up and see the special thing that team is doing. Do I think Whiz will do something? No but he should send a message that one player wont put down that football team.

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

That trade actually makes so much sense for both sides.


After giving some more thought, do we really wanna give one of our younger better defenders away for a 28 year old WR who's known fir character concerns AND injury concerns as well. Not to mention hes 28 but age probably isn't a factor since WR's have long careers but after I re-tought what I said, don't you think Suggs means more to us?

[gpngc]

Yuck. Boldin dropped a lot of passes during the rough stretch at the end of the year too. You have to admire his toughness for coming back from the injury, but it's become clear his desire to make an impact was purely self-driven.

[Hines]

After giving some more thought, do we really wanna give one of our younger better defenders away for a 28 year old WR who's known fir character concerns AND injury concerns as well. Not to mention hes 28 but age probably isn't a factor since WR's have long careers but after I re-tought what I said, don't you think Suggs means more to us?

You might not even be able to keep Suggs. I wonder which guys you will keep since 3 of your 4 LBs are free agents after the season.

I guess the Tavarres Gooden hype starts!!

[Go_Eagles77]

Damn! I guess the Cardinals should just trade him to Philly then. :D
Beat me to it. Great minds think alike. Haha.

[Go_Eagles77]

BTW I may be way off but isn't this the same Offensive Coordinator who had that famous fight with TO on the sidelines in SF?

[gsorace]

If it was TO or Chad Johnson it would be all over the news

ESPN would be unwatchable for weeks

[bernbabybern820]

BTW I may be way off but isn't this the same Offensive Coordinator who had that famous fight with TO on the sidelines in SF?

Are you just curious or are you trying to make a point because i just don't see it.

TO was screaming at Gregg Knapp in SF. Todd Haley did have a fight with him in Dallas though.

[Pit Bull #53]

BTW I may be way off but isn't this the same Offensive Coordinator who had that famous fight with TO on the sidelines in SF?

Nah, that was Greg Knapp

[LonghornsLegend]

Nah, that was Greg Knapp

No he's right, it was Todd Haley, a few years back him and TO got into a very heated exchange on the sidelines.

[ironman4579]

You might not even be able to keep Suggs. I wonder which guys you will keep since 3 of your 4 LBs are free agents after the season.

I guess the Tavarres Gooden hype starts!!

Um, Prescott Burgess, hello.........................;)

[Twiddler]

Come on Boldin, just lay quiet for two weeks and then after the Super Bowl do what you want. Just don't **** this up for your team.

[619]

It doesn't really matter who's playing across from Fitz right now.

[eazyb81]

It's amazing how selfish some people are.

[Brent]

If I were the Cards, I wouldn't do ****. He's under contract for a couple more years, he'll show up to practices and games because he wants to get paid. He can ***** all he wants but he's still going to be helping you win games.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I want to see how he rebounds. I can easily see how someone could get angry afterwards, walk out on the celebration to try and gain attention. If he comes out and either says he was wrong or ignores it and comes back to try hard, I'll definitely still respect him.

[Cobra Commander]

He is a superstar wr what do you expect. He wants the football I want a guy like that. He will enjoy wearing a KC/Miami/Houston uni next year

[Sniper]

I want to see how he rebounds. I can easily see how someone could get angry afterwards, walk out on the celebration to try and gain attention. If he comes out and either says he was wrong or ignores it and comes back to try hard, I'll definitely still respect him.

I highly doubt he's going to dog it in the Super Bowl.

[Prowler]

he's a football player not a football watcher. he did good and was physically good to play. he should have been on the field. if somebody tried to baby me like that in the biggest game of my life...it would take more than just 'flipping an emotional switch' after the game to calm me down. that game was back and forth in the 2nd half without boldin playing. the first half they were torching the eagles. i don't see how anybody can blame him. he just wanted to help his team. that little one wr and run 2 yard offense almost lost them the game.

[vidae]

Won't hear me complaining about Boldin in a KC jersey next year. I don't think he's close to the TO level yet, but it's something that should be watched closely. Never took him for a guy to do something like this.

[LonghornsLegend]

he's a football player not a football watcher. he did good and was physically good to play. he should have been on the field. if somebody tried to baby me like that in the biggest game of my life...it would take more than just 'flipping an emotional switch' after the game to calm me down. that game was back and forth in the 2nd half without boldin playing. the first half they were torching the eagles. i don't see how anybody can blame him. he just wanted to help his team. that little one wr and run 2 yard offense almost lost them the game.


Well one reason could be that during the most important drive in maybe Cardinals history he was getting into a heated confrontation with the guy calling the plays, as if he needed to be juggling play-calling and arguing with a guy calling him a ***** and distracting him.



Also, who wants a guy that when their team wins the NFC he heads home before the celebration or the handing out of the trophies, that reeks of selfishness and jealousy to me...Your right nothing wrong about wanting the ball but bolting and not celebrating with your team? You don't see how anyone can blame him for that?


Also Boldin wasn't 100%, he may of been healthy enough to play, but Haley probably wanted to go with Breaston to be sure, I can understand the frustration but your supposed to be happy for your teammates and organization for finally making a super bowl and he was only concerned with being taken out for one drive.

[PACKmanN]

If it was TO or Chad Johnson it would be all over the news but not my words:



http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/13040597


Here's where Haley briefly talked about the exchange:


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/18/20090118spt-cardsnb.html



Whatever your opinions are of his actions, does any of this increase the chances that he gets traded? I tried to lipsync the words of Boldin and Haley and I believe Boldin called Haley a p****.

not only that but I think Boldin told Haley that he will knock him out and then Haley said "Go ahead" like 3 or 4 times.

[bigbluedefense]

we'll trade our 1st for him.

[MasterShake]

Boldin HATES Arizona, he has suffered quietly there all year long. I guess he just reached his breaking point at a poor time.

It's been common knowledge that Boldin has wanted out of Arizona since the offseason because Arizona didn't make good on a promise to pay the man what he is worth.

[ShutDwn]

He is a superstar wr what do you expect. He wants the football I want a guy like that. He will enjoy wearing a KC/Miami/Houston uni next year

He wants to be in the game on the most pivotal drive of Cardinals history. I can blame him for storming off after the game, but I have heard Haley has had other confrontations like that. The sideline doesn't bother me so much, the after game is a little much.


Oh, and of course TO would be getting even more ripped for this. Why wouldn't he, he has done crap like this for so long, Boldin hasn't.

[Jvig43]

The incident reminds me of my freshmen year in football. It was our home coming and by half we were winning osmething like 48-0 so coach pulled a few of the varsity players and put in the JV. Our stud running back threw a fit because it was his last homecoming, and the other team kept their varsity in. While I understand that 48-0 is not the same as 25-24, I kind of get it, but it shouldnt have gone further then the argument. No reason to pout about going to a superbowl.

[Cobra Commander]

He wants to be in the game on the most pivotal drive of Cardinals history. I can blame him for storming off after the game, but I have heard Haley has had other confrontations like that. The sideline doesn't bother me so much, the after game is a little much.


Oh, and of course TO would be getting even more ripped for this. Why wouldn't he, he has done crap like this for so long, Boldin hasn't.

It would be the lead story on ESPN if it was T.O.

[Gay Ork Wang]

i do think this is pulled out of proportions i dont think its that much of a problem. its not like he was disappointed about making the SB

[yodapoop]

Anquan Boldin is an arrogant prick. He isn't even the best receiver on his team. And Breaston is sneaking up on being the second best, which is why he was in and Boldin was out. This is worse than TO, TO shuts up when his team wins. TO woulda been out there celebrating with his teammates. So if I was Arizona I'd say good riddance.

[BuddyCHRIST]

The topic creator seems to be jumping to some major conclusions about someone's character based on someone elses writings and a short clip on the sideline. Jerry Rice blew up like this multiple times, great competitive players are going to have confrontations because of their competitiveness. Boldin has been a class act for the majority of his career, he's played hard and injured this year even after making it clear he was unhappy with his situation in Arizona and the way management has treated him. And he has alot of right to be pissed about his situation, he's been just as productive as Larry yet hasn't gotten near the respect or the money, and they've been unwilling the renegotiate with him. I know alot of people like to pull the bs "well you signed the contract so you have to follow it" but that is a completely useless point in today's NFL because NFL teams don't follow contracts, so why should the players.

[Prowler]

they only had fitz out there and were just trying to run as much clock as possible. the dude just lost his cool and that's what happens when people get upset. it was boldin's problem and he went home to think about it and deal with it instead of dragging his teammates down. doesn't make sense now, but we aren't exactly feeling the same way that he was at that time. i was definately not a fan of the playcalling in the 2nd half either.

[LonghornsLegend]

zomg, he didn't like, want to touch the trophy and stuffz?! what an #(*$&. :rolleyes:

i couldn't care less if a teammate wanted to go home and sleep immediately after the game, or dance around the locker room like an idiot with champagne. it's the bloody NFCC. it's not the super bowl. let's repeat that: it's not the super bowl.

i personally wouldn't have been celebrating anything either. who cares? the big game is in two weeks.


Who cares? Maybe Adrian Wilson for one.



Or maybe all the fans that were still packed into the stadium, or maybe it was the many Cardinals players crying.


You can make it seem like a trophy presentation isn't a big deal because the NFL isn't your career, just because you personally wouldn't have been celebrating anything, doesn't mean anyone else on that team felt that way.


Since when has not going to the super bowl been a big celebration on your home field? There is alot to be happy for, instead of going home and pouting.

[Prowler]

again...breaston wasn't even in the game either for a majority of those plays. if breaston was in then people can make an argument for selfishness but he wasn't even replaced. it was one wr most of the way.

[619]

i do think this is pulled out of proportions i dont think its that much of a problem. its not like he was disappointed about making the SB

Maybe. In this case I think it was all frustration in the 'heat of the moment' as Haley said and those same emotions carried itself well after the game. I'm sure he's fine today.

[yodapoop]

I just don't see why he wouldn't celebrate with his teammates. I know it was only the NFC Championship game and all that, but its been 61 years since they have won something like this. Also, it is a great moment, only 2 teams get to go play in the Super Bowl. What else does Boldin want? Be a #1 receiver on one of the 15 teams from the NFC sitting on their asses the next two weeks.....

[Gay Ork Wang]

I just don't see why he wouldn't celebrate with his teammates. I know it was only the NFC Championship game and all that, but its been 61 years since they have won something like this. Also, it is a great moment, only 2 teams get to go play in the Super Bowl. What else does Boldin want? Be a #1 receiver on one of the 15 teams from the NFC sitting on their asses the next two weeks.....
its not like he isnt happy about winning or doesnt want to go to the Superbowl...

[yodapoop]

its not like he isnt happy about winning or doesnt want to go to the Superbowl...

It doesn't look like he is. It sounds like he wants more money and get the **** up outta Arizona.

[iBoldin]

Boldin HATES Arizona, he has suffered quietly there all year long. I guess he just reached his breaking point at a poor time.

It's been common knowledge that Boldin has wanted out of Arizona since the offseason because Arizona didn't make good on a promise to pay the man what he is worth.

Actually, he has said he loves Arizona many times before, so maybe your just jumping to conclusions about how he just hates it there, but they wouldn't be right.

It's not even a breaking point, either. Players have outbursts like this often.

And, we did "pay the man". We gave him a contract extension after his rookie year.

[LonghornsLegend]

i'm sure it ruined his day that boldin wasn't out there partying. :rolleyes:



right, every single one of the fans was thinking "wait! where's boldin!?! this win is meaningless without him on the field where i can barely even identify him dancing around or crying openly. what's worse is that my life will pretty much end if he isn't in the locker room partying!"

please.



but boldin may have felt that way, and since it had no impact whatsoever on anyone else's life or well being, he's perfectly entitled to leave the field at whatever time he wants.

or are all hockey players classless idiots, too?



or going home because the game that actually matters is the next week.

but the wild assumptions are fun.

are you just bitter that people think owens is a worthless, classless idiot because he has a, you know, pattern for doing this crap and thus would liekly generate more press? because there doesn't seem to be any other possible reason for you being this invested in it.



What is your agenda? I could care less about TO, visit the Cowboys forum and I said I'd vote to cut him and part ways, he has nothing to do with this thread at all, I just mentioned his name originally because I said if it was TO it would of been all over ESPN or had a thread by now which I'm probably right, yes it's probably because he has a prior history of doing things like that which I never doubted, but in your own words:



but the wild assumptions are fun.


But it's ok for you I guess.


My point is that I think it was disrespectful to leave the stadium before the trophy presentation, I don't give a damn what you would do in that situation, and some players probably didn't give a damn about Boldin, and some probably were wondering where he was.


There doesn't seem to be any other possible reason I'm interested in this story other then TO? Is this not the NFL forum or did I not share my opinion? I just posed the question "regardless of what you think of his actions do you think he will be traded"?


You should try adding something useful to discussions sometimes and not looking to pick aparts peoples opinions, makes you look like an idiot.

[Gay Ork Wang]

some players probably didn't give a damn about Boldin, and some probably were wondering where he was.


so what is ur point? If no one cared, why should anyone?

People pull out the opinion card way too often. U shouldnt dissent but disagree. Dissension brings nothing to the conversation. Every opinion is based on facts and interpretation of things/belief. if u base ur opinion on wrong facts and a wrong belief, its absolutely possible to pick apart the opinion of people. Just because someone has an opinion doesnt mean it cant be wrong

[LonghornsLegend]

so what is ur point? If no one cared, why should anyone?

People pull out the opinion card way too often. U shouldnt dissent but disagree. Dissension brings nothing to the conversation. Every opinion is based on facts and interpretation of things/belief. if u base ur opinion on wrong facts and a wrong belief, its absolutely possible to pick apart the opinion of people. Just because someone has an opinion doesnt mean it cant be wrong


My original question I posed was do you think this changes whether or not he gets traded.


I've seen it on nearly every sports show I watched this morning so somebody cares obviously...I am not basing my opinions on "wrong facts", it's been reported by multiple sources that he left the field before the celebration, and I said if he did that I felt it was disrespectful.

[benchod]

Actually, he has said he loves Arizona many times before, so maybe your just jumping to conclusions about how he just hates it there, but they wouldn't be right.

It's not even a breaking point, either. Players have outbursts like this often.

And, we did "pay the man". We gave him a contract extension after his rookie year.

Boldin requested a trade earlier in the season. He really wants out, even with the success that the team is having this season. They tried negotiating an extension earlier and they couldn't come to an agreement because of the crazy contract they gave Fitzgerald. It was written about by quite a few people, there was no way that Arizona could devote so much of their cap to Boldin and Fitz.

Whether its justified or not, that has been his feeling and he made it very clear early in the season that he wants out and is angry at the organization, but he can't do anything because he's under contract for another season.

Up to this point, you can give him credit for not doing something incredibly stupid. You probably can forgive him for the confrontation with Haley because of the heat of the moment thing, but ditching the postgame celebrations is a little childish.

[MarioPalmer]

Boldin going to Houston to pair up with the most under rated elite receiver to play in the last decade. Well thats at least what Mario told me....lol






Hey, if you can put the Eagles in the discussion then I can put the Texans in it as well....lol

[Gay Ork Wang]

My original question I posed was do you think this changes whether or not he gets traded.


I've seen it on nearly every sports show I watched this morning so somebody cares obviously...I am not basing my opinions on "wrong facts", it's been reported by multiple sources that he left the field before the celebration, and I said if he did that I felt it was disrespectful.
yes and ur opinion of it being disrespectful is wrong

[LonghornsLegend]

the FIRST WORDS of your post were "If it was TO or Chad Johnson it would be all over the news but not my words". can't imagine why anyone would've thought you had an agenda having to do with a cowboys player. :rolleyes:



Again, for the 3rd time, I don't even like TO, so what point are you trying to make? That I'm a Cowboy fan so I'm sticking up for TO and mad because another WR doesn't get the press he does? I already pointed out that TO would be getting more press because of his prior history, so I agree with you in those regards, but I don't have a "hidden agenda", I just posted the article of his views on the situation...I never went so far as to call Boldin trash or a POS, I just said what he did was IN MY HONEST OPINION disrespectful, could care less if you agree or not but that's why were all here anyway.



it was actually a pretty well founded assumption, based on above.



Again nice to know you can make assumptions then try to make a point of blasting me for "assuming" I did.


and i think you're completely incorrect and that it wasn't disrespectful at all. i further posted why. answer the question: do you also think all hokecy players are classless or disrespectful? they won't even accept the trophy for winning what isn't really a meaningful game.


That is fine and I respect your opinion and I disagree...As far as the hockey analogy, all situations are different...I felt with everything that led up to the end of the game, amounted with how long its been since Arizona has made the game, and being at home, that this celebration meant a little more then your average NFC championship celebration, so the fact that he was more concerned with playing time then what that organization just accomplished I find that selfish.




it's a complete non-story that only has relevance if you live in the ESPN world of soap opera sports. a player was angry he didn't play and left the field when the game ended. ZOMG the world is ******* ending. :rolleyes: and stop being dishonest, if you'd wanted to make an "anquan boldin trade" thread, you could've bumped any one of the 60 other threads the reference the move.



I hate talking to people who use internet talk, it's so funny how you've came in with all this ignorant post going "ZOMGZZZ HE WASNT THER EFOR THE TRPLHY THE WHOLDS OVAR!!!!"


Who has came in here talking like that at all? I was more concerned with whether or not he got traded, I just said that I felt his actions were disrespectful afterward, but how does any of that correlate with what your trying to be "cute" with...Let's not over-exaggerate and then act like I was the one who did so, again if you have any evidence that I or anyone else acted like the world was ending, or used that silly internet talk then show me, but again that's why your a troll.




or should i post a thread about how the broncos are the worst franchise ever, that jay cutler is a piece of human trash, and then leave one line at the end asking if they should draft a running back in the first roun, just so i can later claim that the thread is really about drafting a running back, in spite of the fact that 99.9% of my initial post has absolutely nothing to do with that.



Or maybe you could re-read my last post which stated if you don't have anything meaningful to add to the thread you should stop posting...This has nothing to do with the thread and all you do is come around posting useless nonsense like this getting threads off topic.



i'm sorry, i didn't realize disagreeing with everything you've said wasn't "useful". is it only "useful" if i agree with you? who gets to define "useful"?

i've now twice suggested that his leaving the field wasn't relevant, is a non-story and only matters if you're trying to suggest that people treat owens unfairly. you have yet to rebut any of that with anything more than the implication that i'm an idiot or that none of my response is useful.

so who looks silly, again?



No, it's useful when you have an opinion on what the topic is about, useless is bringing up a million analogies that have nothing to do with the topic, or "jumping to conclusions" as you've done a good job of lately.

[LonghornsLegend]

yes and ur opinion of it being disrespectful is wrong

I didn't know opinions could be wrong but thanks for playing...I'm not the only one who feels that way and for all you know some team mates may feel the exact same way...It's not a big deal, but it's just my personal opinion and your nobody to say it's wrong.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I didn't know opinions could be wrong but thanks for playing...I'm not the only one who feels that way and for all you know some team mates may feel the exact same way...It's not a big deal, but it's just my personal opinion and your nobody to say it's wrong.
omggzzzz izzzzzz meeee opiiiiiiiniiioooooooonnnnnnn ME NOT WRONGGGG!!!!


Did u even read?

I never went so far as to call Boldin trash or a POS,

read ur title...

[someone447]

I don't understand why this is a big deal at all. He left the field AFTER the game was over. Let me repeat that for all of you who seem a little slow and think this is somehow characteristic of a petulant brat, he left the field AFTER the game was over. He got into a heated exchange with his coach. The first happens EVERY GOD DAMN GAME! While the second happens nearly as much. This is just making mountains out of molehills.

We hear enough about TO's antics, many of which have absolutely no bearing on the team he is with. If everyone would stick to football rather than the meaningless crap that surrounds it. I can damn near promise you that not a single player on the Cardinals team, Boldin include, is even thinking about what happened yesterday.

I didn't know opinions could be wrong but thanks for playing...I'm not the only one who feels that way and for all you know some team mates may feel the exact same way...It's not a big deal, but it's just my personal opinion and your nobody to say it's wrong.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves. YES OPINIONS CAN BE WRONG!. Napoleon was of the opinion it was a good idea to invade Russia, Hitler had the opinion that Jews caused the depression in Germany, I am sure that someone thinks Tavaris Jackson is a better QB than Brett Favre was. The fact of the matter is, OPINIONS CAN BE WRONG!

[Wide Right]

He feels disrespected. I don't think he's a cancer or anything and any other team in the NFL would love to have Boldin on their roster.

[gpngc]

they won't even accept the trophy for winning what isn't really a meaningful game.

Every game is a meaningful game. Week 17 at 5-10 is a meaningful game. These guys are professional competitors. Winning is what drives them. The NFC Championship is a meaningful game. How can you possibly say its not? Without winning the NFC, you can't win the Super Bowl. I would say that gives it meaning. And for an organization like Arizona, winning the NFC is absolutely an accomplishment with great "meaning". There is a pride with winning every game- and taking the title of an entire conference is a great feat in the most competitive league in the world. You can say that in the history books "it doesn't mean squat unless they win the Super Bowl" but for this team, these players, these coaches, and these fans, it will always mean something.

Scoring in the NFL is not easy. People are so quick to blast play-calling when it doesn't work at certain times. I completely understand what Haley was trying to do in the second half- and of course when it didn't work that well it's easy to say it was questionable strategy. The bottom line is- he helped the offense to 32 points against a good defense and using the multiple-TE, one-WR formation on the final drive PRODUCED THE GAME WINNING SCORE. The end result is not always the ultimate barometer, but when the clock strikes zero and you're going to the Super Bowl- it's hard to second-guess the guy who coordinated the 30+ point effort.

In Boldin's defense, he wants to be out there- and that's fine. But in Haley's eyes- that package gave them the best chance to win the game- and they did win. Boldin has every right to believe he could have done more to help the team- but his goal (ideally) should be to win the game- which he did. It's difficult to understand a guy who helped achieve an amazing run to react the way Boldin did, but to each his own- speaks to his value as a teammate, but that's just my opinion as someone who values winning as a team and not individual success.

[summond822]

Boldin requested a trade earlier in the season. He really wants out, even with the success that the team is having this season. They tried negotiating an extension earlier and they couldn't come to an agreement because of the crazy contract they gave Fitzgerald.

I can't believe that people are ripping Boldin. He looked over at his teammate, Fitz, and saw him getting paid huge money. Naturally he wanted a piece of that. So what if he left the game early? It's his life, his decision. Yes he got into an argument, but who doesn't. It's not like he was the only one who went over and yelled at the offensive coordinator during the game. However, as to why Kurt Warner wasn't upset, this was a redemption for him. He's the QB, he has to be the first one to take the trophy most of the time.

Going to the Super Bowl is special, I'll give you that. However, there may be other circumstances that we don't know about as to why he left. If he did just leave because he was still upset about not playing, can you really blame him? He's a football player, not an actor. If he is upset, then why should he have to stick around and drag the rest of his teammates out of their celebrating states of mind?

I disagree with the statement that he wants out of Arizona, but he knows that as long as he is in Arizona, he isn't going to get paid. They won't tie up that much money into the WR spot, no matter how deserving Boldin is. The Cardinals won't trade him though. He's too good. Boldin is one of the top WR's in the game and he wants to be paid like one.

But on the rare chance that they actually do trade him, the Seahawks would welcome him with open arms.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Every game is a meaningful game. Week 17 at 5-10 is a meaningful game. These guys are professional competitors. Winning is what drives them. The NFC Championship is a meaningful game. How can you possibly say its not?

so why arent we bitching about them not cheering after every game?

[LonghornsLegend]

so why even bother mentioning that TO would've gotten more press? it's completely irrelevant if we're discussing whether what boldin did was disrespectful OR adds fire to the trade speculation.



i blasted you for making an unfounded/wild assumption. i made an assumption based on fairly obvious evidence. but keep twisting the words that i actually said to make the two situations comparable.



did he only leave the field because of the disagreement? has he been quoted as saying that? what difference, exactly, would "partying" have made in the grand scheme of things?



no one, which isn't the point or i would've directly quoted it. the implication is that you've completely overblown a meaningless situation, much like someone who uses "ZOMG" would have. was that too complex a comparison for you?



*yawn* like i said, you added a single line about trades to a post about his actions. and now you want to claim it's all about the trades? i'll be happy to clean up this thread and remove any information that doesn't deal specifically with trade possibilities, as well as merging it with the other boldin trade threads, if that's really want you want to discuss.

so again, i'm a troll because i disagree with you? and because you post nonsense like the above and i disagree with that? if you think it's off-topic, you should likely NOT be the one who starts posting it.

every single part of my initial response to you had to do with why this wasn't a big deal, and then i asked if you had another motive. and that to you is trolling? that's absolutely pathetic and either indicates a tenuous grip on reality, or another secondary agenda. but hey, i think you're wrong about boldin. i must be a troll!! :rolleyes: and you wonder why i characterize you as a "ZOMG" poster.



from my earlier post, before YOU went off-topic:



so, which part of this is meaningless, or doesn't have to do with the two quotes from your OP? please quote them and justify. or stop suggesting that i'm trolling your thread just because i think you're wrong. can't do it? then stop repeating the same moronic nonsense as if the repetition somehow makes it true.



as above? where i posted about the topic? then YOU drove it off-topic by calling my post nonsense and calling me a troll? well done.



To sum it up for you: I hate TO and don't want him on the Cowboys next year, I respect Boldin alot more but felt like not staying for the celebration was over the top, no it wasn't a big deal but I didn't think it had to be groundbreaking to make a thread, and I understand every argument saying otherwise.


You've said your peace I've said mine, were done now.

[gpngc]

so why arent we bitching about them not cheering after every game?

I would have the same opinion of Boldin as a teammate if he did this after any game that ended in a win.

This one was magnified because there was a gigantic celebration...

[thetedginnshow]

Boldin's sweet.

[AtariBigby]

i'm sorry, i didn't realize disagreeing with everything you've said wasn't "useful". is it only "useful" if i agree with you? who gets to define "useful"?

so who looks silly, again?
I've tried to point out that there are a big group of frequent posters here who think that everyone is supposed to agree with what they think, or else they'll pout (and dish out negative rep).
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who sees this.

The sad thing here for me, and Longhorn, is that I actually agree with him on this one. Boldin's actions DURING the game and afterwards were dispicable. You would never see anyone act like that 20, 30, 40 years ago in football. But he's a WR, a diva, he's got an agenda (new contract $), and that's how it goes with those guys these days.

I was thrilled to see Todd Haley's offense come thru and win it with HIS PLAYCALLING. He didn't need Boldin to beat Carolina, or Philly.

Send Boldin to Chicago, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Oakland, or Miami.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I've tried to point out that there are a big group of frequent posters here who think that everyone is supposed to agree with what they think, or else they'll pout (and dish out negative rep).
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who sees this.

The sad thing here for me, and Longhorn, is that I actually agree with him on this one. Boldin's actions DURING the game and afterwards were dispicable. You would never see anyone act like that 20, 30, 40 years ago in football. But he's a WR, a diva, he's got an agenda (new contract $), and that's how it goes with those guys these days.

I was thrilled to see Todd Haley's offense come thru and win it with HIS PLAYCALLING. He didn't need Boldin to beat Carolina, or Philly.

Send Boldin to Chicago, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Oakland, or Miami.
lols, u were just wrong, and u were the one doing it lol

[The Unseen]

That's a pretty dick move. Keep this kind of **** between you and the coordinator. No need to make yourself a big media target by storming out. I don't really mind that he yelled at Todd Haley, but being a whiny little ***** and running out is dumb.

[Zyro_1014]

Damn! I guess the Cardinals should just trade him to Philly then. :D

i would do awful awful things!

[Jvig43]

I've tried to point out that there are a big group of frequent posters here who think that everyone is supposed to agree with what they think, or else they'll pout (and dish out negative rep).
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who sees this.

The sad thing here for me, and Longhorn, is that I actually agree with him on this one. Boldin's actions DURING the game and afterwards were dispicable. You would never see anyone act like that 20, 30, 40 years ago in football. But he's a WR, a diva, he's got an agenda (new contract $), and that's how it goes with those guys these days.

I was thrilled to see Todd Haley's offense come thru and win it with HIS PLAYCALLING. He didn't need Boldin to beat Carolina, or Philly.

Send Boldin to Chicago, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Oakland, or Miami.

Wow you arent very intelligent are you? I'm sure most people like myself posted why we neg repped you and it wasnt because of right or wrong, it was the way you were acting, after the fact you made some horrible comparisons and acted like a 14 year old. Then tried pretending you were older then all of us by calling us names like children, and that you didnt remeber high school or jr. high.

[Smokey Joe]

The Bears will gladly take him... Boldin, Hester, all that is missing is a legit QB, an OLine, and a defense.

[Zyro_1014]

The Bears will gladly take him... Boldin, Hester, all that is missing is a legit QB, an OLine, and a defense.

Sanchez? lol

[DeathbyStat]

God I hope this bad blood bleeds into the super bowl

[NY+Giants=NYG]

That's really a tough situation. It happens at all levels of college as well. I had that happen to me with one of my senior TEs in college. He wasn't getting touches in the new spread system, and throw the biggest hissy fit known to man. Then quit the team, and a couple days later asked to come back. This was at th D3 level. I can only imagine the headache these pro coaches have to deal with.

[Smokey Joe]

Sanchez? lol
one can only hope...

[giantsfan]

Anquan Boldin would look good wearing Blue. And in NY he wouldn't have to party on the field, hell we'd be happy if he just shanked Killdrive and then dipped out until the next practice.

[MetSox17]

I don't think anyone is arguing that Boldin has the right to leave the field after the game, but doesn't this in essence make him a horrible teammate? And locker room cancer etc.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Anquan Boldin would look good wearing Blue. And in NY he wouldn't have to party on the field, hell we'd be happy if he just shanked Killdrive and then dipped out until the next practice.

I wouldn't want him on our team.

[giantsfan]

I wouldn't want him on our team.

Oh come on, sure things have gotten bad in arizona, but he's been a team leader there for a while. Imagine you're coaching someplace were you've been coaching for a while, and you're the head coaches right hand man, you deal with all of the players and you have this position of leadership. Then management has this young up and comer whom they pay a lot more than you and in crunch time this coach who had been going to you a lot and expecting you to help him lead the men ignores you in a conference championship game for this youngin as you're re-negotiating your contract with the team. Wouldn't that piss you off and make you feel like you're being phased out?

I see where Boldin's coming from, he has been a leader for that team who wants to be paid on par wiht his younger, non-leader team-mate but instead of the team giving him that deal they're taking him during one of the most important parts of one of the most important games of your season. I get Boldin in this situation and would love to have him in NY because he busts his ass, gives his all and will fight for the team, it's just when the team misled him and didn't put him out there with the game in the balance he got upset.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Oh come on, sure things have gotten bad in arizona, but he's been a team leader there for a while. Imagine you're coaching someplace were you've been coaching for a while, and you're the head coaches right hand man, you deal with all of the players and you have this position of leadership. Then management has this young up and comer whom they pay a lot more than you and in crunch time this coach who had been going to you a lot and expecting you to help him lead the men ignores you in a conference championship game for this youngin as you're re-negotiating your contract with the team. Wouldn't that piss you off and make you feel like you're being phased out?

I see where Boldin's coming from, he has been a leader for that team who wants to be paid on par wiht his younger, non-leader team-mate but instead of the team giving him that deal they're taking him during one of the most important parts of one of the most important games of your season. I get Boldin in this situation and would love to have him in NY because he busts his ass, gives his all and will fight for the team, it's just when the team misled him and didn't put him out there with the game in the balance he got upset.

Our offense is no where near there offense. We are a running team. Not only that he is 29 years old. We have to TRADE for him, meaning picks, and then sign him to a big contract. I would rather trade for another WR, or do what Reese does and build from the draft.

[LonghornsLegend]

Oh come on, sure things have gotten bad in arizona, but he's been a team leader there for a while. Imagine you're coaching someplace were you've been coaching for a while, and you're the head coaches right hand man, you deal with all of the players and you have this position of leadership. Then management has this young up and comer whom they pay a lot more than you and in crunch time this coach who had been going to you a lot and expecting you to help him lead the men ignores you in a conference championship game for this youngin as you're re-negotiating your contract with the team. Wouldn't that piss you off and make you feel like you're being phased out?

I see where Boldin's coming from, he has been a leader for that team who wants to be paid on par wiht his younger, non-leader team-mate but instead of the team giving him that deal they're taking him during one of the most important parts of one of the most important games of your season. I get Boldin in this situation and would love to have him in NY because he busts his ass, gives his all and will fight for the team, it's just when the team misled him and didn't put him out there with the game in the balance he got upset.


How is Boldin a leader but Fitz is a "non-leader"? Fitz got majority of his money from incentives in his contract so it's not like the Cards threw all this money at him.

[MetSox17]

not even remotely. if he drags this out in the media over the next two weeks, or had he left DURING the game, he would be all of those things. but leaving the field when the game is over? how does this one incident make him anything approaching a cancer/bad teammate?

If he had a habit of leaving immediately after games, and not liking to spend time with his teammates, i'd have no issue with him just leaving like that, but after showing displeasure with his coaching staff, he stormed off in a "f everyone" manner, then declined to comment on whether he wanted to be in Arizona next year, that's starting to be a little T.O-esque.

[Jvig43]

Anquan Boldin would look good wearing Blue. And in NY he wouldn't have to party on the field, hell we'd be happy if he just shanked Killdrive and then dipped out until the next practice.

First PLax, now Boldin? Sounds to me like thatd be asking for more trouble.

[Gay Ork Wang]

If he had a habit of leaving immediately after games, and not liking to spend time with his teammates, i'd have no issue with him just leaving like that, but after showing displeasure with his coaching staff, he stormed off in a "f everyone" manner, then declined to comment on whether he wanted to be in Arizona next year, that's starting to be a little T.O-esque.
cause saying he wants out there would make it so much better in the locker room?

[MetSox17]

cause saying he wants out there would make it so much better in the locker room?

Not saying he doesn't want out is the equivalent of saying he wants out, so that's the problem.

[gpngc]

Oh come on, sure things have gotten bad in arizona, but he's been a team leader there for a while. Imagine you're coaching someplace were you've been coaching for a while, and you're the head coaches right hand man, you deal with all of the players and you have this position of leadership. Then management has this young up and comer whom they pay a lot more than you and in crunch time this coach who had been going to you a lot and expecting you to help him lead the men ignores you in a conference championship game for this youngin as you're re-negotiating your contract with the team. Wouldn't that piss you off and make you feel like you're being phased out?

I see where Boldin's coming from, he has been a leader for that team who wants to be paid on par wiht his younger, non-leader team-mate but instead of the team giving him that deal they're taking him during one of the most important parts of one of the most important games of your season. I get Boldin in this situation and would love to have him in NY because he busts his ass, gives his all and will fight for the team, it's just when the team misled him and didn't put him out there with the game in the balance he got upset.

Ideally (again, not all teammates are perfect), as that head coach you would be upset- and have the right to be upset about that situation. HOWEVER, if you being "phased out" lead to a WIN, your level of disappointment about your own situation would be trumped by the jubilation felt after a team victory.

Basically, if you are a little selfish (most people are), and not an ideal and perfect teammate, you would indeed be pissed.

Now what Boldin will never understand and realize (because he is so competitive and confident by nature), is that Fitzgerald is the better player which is why he got the money and gets the reps as the lone WR in that particular set.

I can understand why Boldin is coming from, but you would hope winning the biggest game of his career would at least alleviate some of his selfish disappointment. As far as the "team leader" comment- I think saying he's been "one of their best players" fitz (LOL) a lot better.

Bad teammate? In my opinion his actions were those of a bad teammate. That can be argued but being upset after a win under those circumstances makes him look like a bad teammate to me.

[Dam8610]

Whatever your opinions are of his actions, does any of this increase the chances that he gets traded? I tried to lipsync the words of Boldin and Haley and I believe Boldin called Haley a p****.

He got taken out of the game when the game was on the line after all he's done for that organization...he had every right to be angry, any player would be. How he handled it might not be the best way to go about it, but he's watched the Cardinals take complete and utter advantage of the fact that he's a team player all year, doing nothing about the contract situation he made clear was unacceptable to him in August (I don't blame him since he's probably one of the biggest bargains in the NFL), playing through injuries and not causing problems all season long when he could have easily pulled a Moss or TO, then he gets taken out of the game on the biggest drive of his life? Anyone would be fed up. I know if he wants to be a Colt, and the money situation can work out, I'd gladly welcome him on my team.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Not saying he doesn't want out is the equivalent of saying he wants out, so that's the problem.
maybe he needs some time to think about it? i mean what is he supposed to do? lie? and then leave anyways and get critized for that?

[sweetness34]

Well the man came back from sinus surgery in what, like two weeks and started playing again...this after he go absolutely smashed in the face by a hit. He is also playing through a hamstring problem as well. Probably mostly frustration and it doesn't make what he did right but he's also sacrificed a lot for that organization.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

He was mad, and left rather than continue to make a scene....why view that badly. I've gotten in fights, then experienced something good and was still in a bad mood, and people noticed....so at least he left and didn't linger to cause a scene. I don't agree with the arguement on the sideline, but lets not throw the name of TO out there with this, they are no where near the same class. When he calls out Warner and the coaching staff, let me know, until then, leave the TO garbage out back.

He has been nothing but a business guy all season, even though he was unhappy with his situation. He did what we all feel all athletes should do by playing to his contract, and excelling. He was a stud this season, a leader, and he came back from a brutal injury quickly and helped the team. Yes he had a bad game or two, but are we going to say his attitude was to blame? Surely not. Even if he wasn't making the plays at that time, he was a factor in that game, that is what stud WRs do.

To say you don't want your team to have this guy because of this incident is sheer stupidity. I laugh and pray that a hard working, physical receiver who doesn't quit is willing to come to my team. I believe his style of play and wear on his body won't allow him to have the long career that many other WRs have, but he isn't there yet, he's got another 4 years at least in him, so bring him my way.

He has 2 weeks in the media spotlight, and you can expect many questions on this incident. I will be interesting to see how it is handled, but regardless, i expected him to be gone in the offseason anyway. The Cards and he have shown they won't be baited and lose value, so that 'lost value when a player demands a trade' idea should be gone. They may get a great memory out of the relationship, but either way, we know Anquan doesn't want to be there, but he's been a model athlete to this point....he certainly is no TO.

[giantsfan]

Our offense is no where near there offense. We are a running team. Not only that he is 29 years old. We have to TRADE for him, meaning picks, and then sign him to a big contract. I would rather trade for another WR, or do what Reese does and build from the draft.

I understand the cost but the Plax situation has shown how over the long run a true number really affects our effectiveness on offense. We need that threat even if it's under-used. Which is why I'd like to see us trade for a vet who could come in and fill that role for 4 years while we develop someone to take over for him at that time. Of course this depends on how much Arizona wants for him, but if it's a reasonable price I would love to a fighter like him to our team. With Boldin in the fold we could calmly cut plax and have more freedom in the draft, before grabbing someone like Ramses Barden to develop for when Boldin slows down. I just feel like for the next 2 years Boldin is the best WR on the trade or FA market and after those two years we're looking at the later half of his contract and hopefully our young talent has progressed enough by then to ease his decline, although I don't expect him to really decline for another 4-5 years and by then he'll be a fan favorite.

This isn't really a Reese move but that doesn't mean I don't think he would pull the trigger or that it would work out. I guess it all depends on Plax and whether he's back or not but if he's not I like this option more than braylon Edwards who drops more balls than Shockey at his peak.

First PLax, now Boldin? Sounds to me like thatd be asking for more trouble.

Plax has worked out well and he's been great for this team during his time here. We have a very team oriented group of guys here so one dissenting opinion really doesn't cause a problem. I think Plax has been similar to Randy Moss in NE where because everyone else is so focused on the team and winning it just rubs off on Randy enough to prevent him from becoming a problem. And I see the same thing with Boldin, plus boldin isn't on plax's level of stupid and won't shoot himself.

Ideally (again, not all teammates are perfect), as that head coach you would be upset- and have the right to be upset about that situation. HOWEVER, if you being "phased out" lead to a WIN, your level of disappointment about your own situation would be trumped by the jubilation felt after a team victory.

Basically, if you are a little selfish (most people are), and not an ideal and perfect teammate, you would indeed be pissed.

Now what Boldin will never understand and realize (because he is so competitive and confident by nature), is that Fitzgerald is the better player which is why he got the money and gets the reps as the lone WR in that particular set.

I can understand why Boldin is coming from, but you would hope winning the biggest game of his career would at least alleviate some of his selfish disappointment. As far as the "team leader" comment- I think saying he's been "one of their best players" fitz (LOL) a lot better.

Bad teammate? In my opinion his actions were those of a bad teammate. That can be argued but being upset after a win under those circumstances makes him look like a bad teammate to me.

But the win didn't occur in a vacuum, it's been a season long thing where he's put his health at risk for them and been a real trooper, I mean back two weeks after that brutal hit?, and what does that get him? Not even getting to be out there to help his team win the biggest game of his career when for as long as he's been there he's been one of the go to guys. I dunno I understand why he feels disrespected and why he feels the Cards are already starting to move on from him. I'd like to see him be a better man but depending on the situation behind closed doors I can at least understand why he's acting the way he is and see myself acting similar under certain conditions.

And he's been a big time leader for that team which has been really crucial to fitzy's development because Boldin took the responsibility on himself and was a vocal guy for them, letting fitzy work on fitzy and not have to worry about keeping the lockerroom together.

[BlindSite]

Peppers for Boldin.

[fenikz]

Apparently people didn't really watch the game, Fitz and Warner both bitched out Haley before hand, the only thing that concerns me is his lack of respect for the fans after the game


And as for the contract situation, we offered him Fitz's contract before Fitz, he declined it, so we then gave the money to Fitz, blame that on Rosenhaus

[MetSox17]

Apparently people didn't really watch the game, Fitz and Warner both bitched out Haley before hand, the only thing that concerns me is his lack of respect for the fans after the game


And as for the contract situation, we offered him Fitz's contract before Fitz, he declined it, so we then gave the money to Fitz, blame that on Boras

Rosenhaus*

But yeah, we get it. I didn't know he had gotten offered Fitzgerald money, though. By "his" contract, do you mean the one he got his rookie year, or the 4/40 one he recently signed?

And i knew Warner had gotten into it with Haley as well, but Warner didn't storm off the stadium like a little girl who didn't get to go out friday night.

[fenikz]

Rosenhaus*

But yeah, we get it. I didn't know he had gotten offered Fitzgerald money, though. By "his" contract, do you mean the one he got his rookie year, or the 4/40 one he recently signed?

And i knew Warner had gotten into it with Haley as well, but Warner didn't storm off the stadium like a little girl who didn't get to go out friday night.


It was the 4/40 one, at the time he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but Fitz has surpassed him in ability and is younger, and I feel he still thinks he is worth that kind of money when realistically he only has 2 or 3 years left in his prime

[Pokeys]

Boldin HATES Arizona, he has suffered quietly there all year long. I guess he just reached his breaking point at a poor time.

It's been common knowledge that Boldin has wanted out of Arizona since the offseason because Arizona didn't make good on a promise to pay the man what he is worth.

suffered? lol can't be that bad hes making millions of dollars and playing the game he loves. I wouldn't call that suffering.

Suffering is when you're standing on the street squeeeeeeeeeee geeing windows for dimes.

[someone447]

Boldin is competitive, he believed him being in the game gave his team the best chance to win. He got mad when he wasn't allowed to play in what was the biggest drive of his career. Anyone who has played sports on a competitive level knows that feeling. I would have gotten pissed off too. When you KNOW you will help the team, but you aren't in the game, you have to get pissed. That competitive fire is what drives athletes. If Boldin didn't have that fire, he wouldn't be a Pro Bowl receiver. That is what it boils down to. Anyone who is blowing this out of proportion has obviously never played sports at a competitive level.

Things like this happen all the time, they happen on every level of football. It is expected. The team doesn't give a damn about it, because they have experienced it many times before. The media, and fans who do not understand team dynamics are the only ones give a damn.

TO was a problem because he divided the team. Everywhere he went he made it TO vs Garcia or McNabb or Romo. The teammates were forced to pick sides. Boldin isn't doing that. His "no comment"? That was the correct move, it doesn't give the media anything to latch on to. Would you rather have had him pull a TO and ***** and moan about everything to the media? It was obvious he was upset, he made the mature decision and kept it in house.

Now can we please get over this, it is an absolutely minuscule problem.

[someone447]

suffered? lol can't be that bad hes making millions of dollars and playing the game he loves. I wouldn't call that suffering.

Suffering is when you're standing on the street squeeeeeeeeeee geeing windows for dimes.

There is a huge difference between high school football and college football. There is an even bigger difference between college football and the NFL. The NFL is no longer a game, it is a job. In high school you spend 15 hours a week practicing and watching film and weight lifting is optional. In college you spend 15 hours a week in practice, and another 10-15 hours in meetings. Then you have "optional" weight lifting and "optional" film time. By the end of the week you have probably 40-45 hours of football. I can't even imagine how much more there is in the NFL. No matter how much you love the game, you are going to get burned out on it.

Now add in the fact that professional football players have much shorter lifespans, and much higher instances of hip or knee replacements, and constant pain and you will see that it isn't all roses. If you are in a place you can't stand it would be terrible.

Granted it isn't third world suffering, but there are different degrees of suffering.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I understand the cost but the Plax situation has shown how over the long run a true number really affects our effectiveness on offense. We need that threat even if it's under-used. Which is why I'd like to see us trade for a vet who could come in and fill that role for 4 years while we develop someone to take over for him at that time. Of course this depends on how much Arizona wants for him, but if it's a reasonable price I would love to a fighter like him to our team. With Boldin in the fold we could calmly cut plax and have more freedom in the draft, before grabbing someone like Ramses Barden to develop for when Boldin slows down. I just feel like for the next 2 years Boldin is the best WR on the trade or FA market and after those two years we're looking at the later half of his contract and hopefully our young talent has progressed enough by then to ease his decline, although I don't expect him to really decline for another 4-5 years and by then he'll be a fan favorite.

This isn't really a Reese move but that doesn't mean I don't think he would pull the trigger or that it would work out. I guess it all depends on Plax and whether he's back or not but if he's not I like this option more than braylon Edwards who drops more balls than Shockey at his peak.



Plax has worked out well and he's been great for this team during his time here. We have a very team oriented group of guys here so one dissenting opinion really doesn't cause a problem. I think Plax has been similar to Randy Moss in NE where because everyone else is so focused on the team and winning it just rubs off on Randy enough to prevent him from becoming a problem. And I see the same thing with Boldin, plus boldin isn't on plax's level of stupid and won't shoot himself.



But the win didn't occur in a vacuum, it's been a season long thing where he's put his health at risk for them and been a real trooper, I mean back two weeks after that brutal hit?, and what does that get him? Not even getting to be out there to help his team win the biggest game of his career when for as long as he's been there he's been one of the go to guys. I dunno I understand why he feels disrespected and why he feels the Cards are already starting to move on from him. I'd like to see him be a better man but depending on the situation behind closed doors I can at least understand why he's acting the way he is and see myself acting similar under certain conditions.

And he's been a big time leader for that team which has been really crucial to fitzy's development because Boldin took the responsibility on himself and was a vocal guy for them, letting fitzy work on fitzy and not have to worry about keeping the lockerroom together.

Yeah but our offense isn't close to the offense they run in Arizona. We are not a vertical stretch offense. We have have the same concepts they use, but rarely use them. Trading for Boldin, then signing him would be a waste because we are not utilizing him in the same way they do there, especially with our offensive coordinator Kildrive.

We are a running team, which uses short to intermediate routes, and stretch the field horizontally. Yeah we take shots occasionally downfield, but we seemed to change things the week before our regular season Pats game. Getting Boldin at his age doesn't make sense.

Now if Edwards wants out of Cleveland, I'd rather trade for him instead. I believe he is 26. That's a big IF, if we were to trade for someone. But I'd rather use our 9 picks so far, and additional comp picks later on to re-tool via the draft.

I think we lack creativity on offense. Also, we have to see what the coaches think on Moss and Manningham, especially Manningham. He is the wildcard in all this.

[AtariBigby]

He's a WIDE RECEIVER.

And that outburst WILL be talked about many times over the next 2 weeks OUTSIDE of this forum, so someone447, are you going to tell Fox and ESPN and Sports Illustrated and the Arizona Republic to "please not bring it up again"?

[someone447]

He's a WIDE RECEIVER.

And that outburst WILL be talked about many times over the next 2 weeks OUTSIDE of this forum, so someone447, are you going to tell Fox and ESPN and Sports Illustrated and the Arizona Republic to "please not bring it up again"?

I would like nothing more than the media to not bring it up again. It is a non-issue. The media's job is to report, it is not their job to make the news. This is not news, this is what happens all over the country in every sport on every level of competition. But as long as people tune in and pay attention to this drivel, they will continue to "report" on it.

[LonghornsLegend]

I would like nothing more than the media to not bring it up again. It is a non-issue. The media's job is to report, it is not their job to make the news. This is not news, this is what happens all over the country in every sport on every level of competition. But as long as people tune in and pay attention to this drivel, they will continue to "report" on it.

Anquan's entire situation with Arizona is an issue, it's been an issue for Boldin all season frankly and will probably be an issue in the off-season...Him arguing with his O-coordinator is not a big deal, but this entire ordeal has been a "situation" for some time now and it's obvious Anquan isn't happy there.


Between trade demands, and contract negotiations, and playing time, something is going to have to get worked out soon otherwise this will continue to be a problem for one side or the other.

[AtariBigby]

Well, apparently there are others who think it's an issue:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3843834

"I was not given any explanation why I was taken out," Boldin said Monday, during an interview on ESPN's NFL Live, when asked what led to the sideline confrontation. "Like any competitor I wanted to know why."

Once the game ended, the two-time Pro Bowl selection left the field quickly without celebrating. According to one postgame account, which he disputed, Boldin was seen leaving the locker room via a back door.

"I didn't leave through a back door. I tried to get in and out as quickly as possible to beat the media," he said. "I didn't want the story line to be me and Todd getting into it."


But maybe it's been calmed down by the fellas:
"Just the emotions of the game," he said. "We're emotional guys. Like I said, I wear my heart on my sleeve and that's the way I go about business and I have to deal with that on a full-time basis."


But Boldin's relationship with the team has been more contentious, stemming from a contract dispute.

Boldin even requested a trade in August, saying he didn't feel his situation could be resolved and declaring he has no relationship with coach Ken Whisenhunt.

[katnip]

Nooooooooooooooo... He's nott

[giantsfan]

Yeah but our offense isn't close to the offense they run in Arizona. We are not a vertical stretch offense. We have have the same concepts they use, but rarely use them. Trading for Boldin, then signing him would be a waste because we are not utilizing him in the same way they do there, especially with our offensive coordinator Kildrive.

We are a running team, which uses short to intermediate routes, and stretch the field horizontally. Yeah we take shots occasionally downfield, but we seemed to change things the week before our regular season Pats game. Getting Boldin at his age doesn't make sense.

Now if Edwards wants out of Cleveland, I'd rather trade for him instead. I believe he is 26. That's a big IF, if we were to trade for someone. But I'd rather use our 9 picks so far, and additional comp picks later on to re-tool via the draft.

I think we lack creativity on offense. Also, we have to see what the coaches think on Moss and Manningham, especially Manningham. He is the wildcard in all this.

I think boldin would be the best fit for us since he isn't a deep threat he's just strong and tough WR who fights for the ball and fights for yards after the catch. I really think he's a great fit for Kildrive's scheme and still has 4-5 elite years left. Plus he's a guy like BJ who will wear teams down and energize our offense.

Braylon is really intriguing but he's much more of a deep threat and much less consistent which worries me more than the 3 year age difference Because he'll end up like Shockey, misused and drops galore because he's too busy thinking about making a big play.

I think Mario is a number 4 at best next season unlessthey move smith out of the slot.

[someone447]

Well, apparently there are others who think it's an issue:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3843834





But maybe it's been calmed down by the fellas:

Like I have been saying, the team thinks its a non-issue. The media is making it an issue. Thats all there is to it.

[Bucs_Rule]

If Arizona trades Boldin they will want to ship him to the AFC. It looks like they will win the West for years to come and compete for the SuperBowl. They won't want to greatly improve the Giants or Ealges's passing offense and face him in the playoffs.

[Menardo75]

It seems like everyone gets into it with Todd Haley.

[Saints-Tigers]

This isn't a big deal. People are too oversensitive and hold athletes to unrealistic standards these days.

[yodapoop]

He said he is committed to the team, thats all I needed to hear. This is a non story now.

[fenikz]

It seems like everyone gets into it with Todd Haley.

Exactly, this isn't new, Haley is a Parcell's guy and doesn't take **** from his players, and of course players don't want to take **** from thiere coach so they argue a lot. As I said earlier the only thing concerning is that he walked out on the celebration

[Menardo75]

Exactly, this isn't new, Haley is a Parcell's guy and doesn't take **** from his players, and of course players don't want to take **** from thiere coach so they argue a lot. As I said earlier the only thing concerning is that he walked out on the celebration

I love that him and Warner get into it atleast once a game.

[gafyobop]

Funny, problem is Fitz is Mozart and Boldin is Salieri.

You don't think Boldin is burning up seeing Fitz becoming an immortal and he is rolling around on bad wheels.

[someone447]

As I said earlier the only thing concerning is that he walked out on the celebration

THE GAME WAS OVER! THERE IS NOTHING CONCERNING ABOUT IT! HE DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE MEDIA, BECAUSE HE KNEW THEY WOULD BLOW IT OUT OF PROPORTION.

[fenikz]

THE GAME WAS OVER! THERE IS NOTHING CONCERNING ABOUT IT! HE DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE MEDIA, BECAUSE HE KNEW THEY WOULD BLOW IT OUT OF PROPORTION.

Ya, I completely understand his reasoning and all, the media is blowing it out of proportion any way, and this kind of stuff has helped us through the playoffs, Q is going to show up on the biggest stage, you can guarantee that.

[Vox Populi]

Anyone who thinks the NFCCG isn't worth celebrating is just wrong. (They goin' to the ship/state, dad!) This doesn't really have anything to do with Boldin, but to say, "Its only the NFCCG" is just stupid. Its the second biggest game of the year for the league along with the AFCCG and is certainly worth celebrating. I don't fault Boldin for not celebrating at all, but its certainly something worth celebrating and getting emotional over, Boldin's emotional response was different than most of the players on the team because of a combination of things during the game. Its definitely a big game though and to say, "Its not like its the Super Bowl" you might as well say nothing in football is worth celebrating other than the Super Bowl. Thats ******* depressing if you are the 1500 other players in the league who don't get that opportunity. Every victory in life is worth celebrating and if you don't get stoked over winning anything other than the championship, you are one flat lined ************ or you haven't won anything in your life.

[Vox Populi]

well i certainly wouldn't want to depress any of the 1500 players in the nfl who now think that winning a regular season game doesn't matter. but hey, i'd be curious if any nfl player would ever tell you that what they really remember from their career was that CCG win or if it was the super bowl (win or loss). the CCG game is a stepping stone, plain and simple, and once you've won, it doesn't matter to anyone but the fans.

but thanks for the personal attack and the ludicrous assumption about my personal life. i'm sure they're really well founded and you have a lot of supporting evidence for such a moronic claim. :rolleyes:

Thats pretty obvious dude... I was just watching that NFL Films episode of that Bengals player who broke his leg and how he'd give 6 years and breaking his leg just to play in the super bowl. I'm not arguing that, but you can't even get that far without winning the NFCCG. I think winning the NFCCG to put you in a position to play in the Super Bowl is worth celebrating. I'm not saying they will look back on their career and say, "**** YEAH I PLAYED IN AN NFCCG," but right after you win it, you are going to be emotional just thinking that you have the opportunity to play for the Super Bowl.

Thanks for assuming my goal through all of this is to personally attack a poster on this forum. I clearly directed that entire post at you :rolleyes:

You're not the only person who think that way you know...

[Ward]

be honest, it's not like it would be any more unwatchable than it is now. ESPN is to sports what MTV is to music.

A buddy of mine has digital cable, and I discovered the ESPNews channel. I highly recommend it, it's what ESPN should be. Looks more like a stock show with tickers going in every direction, but it's all information. Chris Mortenson is nowhere to be seen. T.O. is nowhere to be seen. It's beautiful.

[Ward]

i watch it often when ncaa scores/highlights are rolling in.

but i've been absolutely boycotting sportscenter for the last two years and have recently added anything but the actual games. i've been tempted to begin writing to the advertisers during sportscenter to let them know i will not be buying the products they sell until they stop giving ESPN money, but i think i need a following before that would be effective.

Your ideas intrigue me, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[MetSox17]

Your ideas intrigue me, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

The Simpsons FTW.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I love njx9 so much

[gpngc]

Kind of OT but I think we've beaten this horse to death already anyway...

Thinking about potential destinations for Boldin today...

Of teams needing a WR, Miami seems perfect.

-Accurate QB- Boldin's not a deep threat so Pennington's pop-gun arm wouldn't hurt him much.

-Perfect compliment to Ginn.

-He's from Florida.

-Miami has two second rounders which means they might not be that reluctant to deal one of their top three picks.

[giantsfan]

Kind of OT but I think we've beaten this horse to death already anyway...

Thinking about potential destinations for Boldin today...

Of teams needing a WR, New York seems perfect.

-Horizontal Passing game- Boldin's not a deep threat so Killdrive's ******** anti-hufnagel we don't go deep scheme wouldn't hurt him much.

-Perfect compliment to that running game.

-New York has two second rounders which means they might not be that reluctant to deal one of their top three picks.

I agree with this line of thought.

[dhp318]

character problems? Anquan is the exact opposite. He works his hardest and has incredible work ethic and is a good locker room presence. He's a hard nose guy and I'll take him on my team any day.

[CC.SD]

character problems? Anquan is the exact opposite. He works his hardest and has incredible work ethic and is a good locker room presence. He's a hard nose guy and I'll take him on my team any day.

I wonder how hard his nose is lately. Ziiiiing.

Seriously though give the guy a break, his face got destroyed and he was back in 2 weeks, and now he's in the Super Bowl.

[Pokeys]

This might be the dumbest thread in the history of NFLDC.

[Ward]

This might be the dumbest thread in the history of NFLDC.

That sir, is a bold statement.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

This might be the dumbest thread in the history of NFLDC.

clearly you haven't seen some people here's finest work.....sad but true.

[Sniper]

This might be the dumbest thread in the history of NFLDC.

I'll bet fairly good money that it doesn't even crack the top 10.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9208

For your reading pleasure...

[CC.SD]

This might be the dumbest thread in the history of NFLDC.

IncredibleDraftDude v. GRF cagematch FTW

[Sniper]

IncredibleDraftDude v. GRF cagematch FTW

STARHEATHER wants to make this a triple-threat Hell in a Cell match.

[Ward]

STARHEATHER wants to make this a triple-threat Hell in a Cell match.

http://wrestlingtruth.com/images/avatars/jr.jpg

OH MY GOD - STARHEATHER HAS ENTERED THE RING!!

[Gay Ork Wang]

AtariBigby might join soon

[Sniper]

AtariBigby might join soon

http://wrestlingtruth.com/images/avatars/jr.jpg

G-g-g-good God! That's AtariBigby's music! Oh my God, we have ourselves a Fatal Four-way!

[Pokeys]

I'll bet fairly good money that it doesn't even crack the top 10.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9208

For your reading pleasure...

lol wtf? that was....