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LarryJohnson27
01-23-2009, 12:19 AM
I love the job he's done, and would easily take him as my HC, but the question is how much of this team's success is due to the team he was handed over?

Bengalsrocket
01-23-2009, 12:23 AM
I love job he's done, and would easily take him as my HC, but the question is how much of this team's success is due to the team he was handed over?

I think it's a mix of both his skill and the team he inherited. However, I'm personally going to wait a few more years before passing any real judgments.

gpngc
01-23-2009, 12:26 AM
Your question is unanswerable and unquantifiable.

It's 70% coaching and 30% players. NO! It's 40% coaching and 60% players!

There is no way we'll ever know so everyone can have their opinion.

What we do know is that Tomlin brought this group of players to the Super Bowl.

That to me does= LEGIT.

PACKmanN
01-23-2009, 12:29 AM
I think he got a very good team but he is such a great motivator and football minded person that he lead them to where they are now, talent doesn't win football games alone.

LarryJohnson27
01-23-2009, 12:32 AM
Your question is unanswerable and unquantifiable.

It's 70% coaching and 30% players. NO! It's 40% coaching and 60% players!

There is no way we'll ever know so everyone can have their opinion.

What we do know is that Tomlin brought this group of players to the Super Bowl.

That to me does= LEGIT.

I think you took the "how much" part a little too literally. I'm just asking if everybody really thinks this guy's a heck of a coach, or is he Brian Billick for example.

PACKmanN
01-23-2009, 12:39 AM
I think you took the "how much" part a little too literally. I'm just asking if everybody really thinks this guy's a heck of a coach, or is he Brian Billick for example.

I know he no Wade Phillips, sorry Cowboy fans :)

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 12:41 AM
The majority of the team that won the Superbowl under Cowher is what he inherited, so i'd wait a little before i praised him much.

Once people start leaving, i wanna see what he does.

TitanHope
01-23-2009, 01:03 AM
Sometimes a coach can have a roster full of talent and still lose. I think Tomlin is a very good coach, but I'm more interested in what he can do with a poorly talented team than what he can do with a very talented team.

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 01:14 AM
Sometimes a coach can have a roster full of talent and still lose. I think Tomlin is a very good coach, but I'm more interested in what he can do with a poorly talented team than what he can do with a very talented team.

Well when that same team went out and won a Superbowl the year prior to you coming in, i don't think them being winners is a question.

Ness
01-23-2009, 01:30 AM
I'll say this much: I really like this straight-forward swagger. Doesn't really play games with the media. Basically tells it how it is. At the same time he doesn't come off as a total jerk.

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2009, 04:14 AM
Tomlin is a good coach for one major reason. He doesn't try to do too much. He didn't install his defense, he kept Lebeau and ran the 3-4. He listens to what his QB wants and tries to arrange the offense around him. His lack of ego I think has kept this team successful.

thule
01-23-2009, 04:29 AM
If he ever coaches without Lebeau....that will be the true judge of character...Parcells/Bilechk lose guys all the time....that is what really shows your grit.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-23-2009, 04:58 AM
I'd call him legit without hesitation.

bored of education
01-23-2009, 07:41 AM
Tomlin is a good coach for one major reason. He doesn't try to do too much. He didn't install his defense, he kept Lebeau and ran the 3-4. He listens to what his QB wants and tries to arrange the offense around him. His lack of ego I think has kept this team successful.

I agree. He has the balance within himself to not let his ego get in the way. He took what has been given to him and has accepted many of the Steelers ideologies while incorporating his own idealogies.

Sniper
01-23-2009, 08:23 AM
Sometimes a coach can have a roster full of talent and still lose.

See Reid, Andy.

RCAChainGang
01-23-2009, 09:36 AM
We will find out over the next couple years...

keylime_5
01-23-2009, 09:39 AM
He's a good leader, but really he's just along for the ride on a great team with a great defense and a solid, very talented offense. Their defense is so good b/c of the talent and Dick LeBeau, but Tomlin is the glue of the team. I think he's a good coach, but he's not like Dungy or Belichick - the reason why the team is great.

See Reid, Andy.

well going to 5 NFC Championship games or however many plus a super bowl in 10 years isn't what I would call losing. :)

Sniper
01-23-2009, 09:43 AM
well going to 5 NFC Championship games or however many plus a super bowl in 10 years isn't what I would call losing. :)

Who gives a ****? Nobody remembers who came in second, fourth, eighth, or last. Unless you're the Lions. Then everyone remembers your last place finish.

Saints-Tigers
01-23-2009, 09:45 AM
People saying he's only winning with Cowher's team... wouldn't that make him as good as Cowher? Thus legit?

Anyway, he is legit..... too legit to quit.

Splat
01-23-2009, 09:49 AM
I would take him on my team any day.

NY+Giants=NYG
01-23-2009, 09:56 AM
I'd say it's a mix. I am sure he is a good coach, but the team is pretty good obviously too. Another factor with teams like the Steelers, Eagles, and used to be Bucs, was that one side of the ball was always stable. All 3 have/had legendary DCs who had no Hcing aspirations, which means they are always coming back, and thus, a HC doesn't have to worry. So much of coaching is finding the right coaches, but if you have 1 side of the ball taken care of year in and year out, then you have a HUGE adv. over other teams. The Steelers will always be sick with LaBeau there.

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 10:12 AM
People saying he's only winning with Cowher's team... wouldn't that make him as good as Cowher? Thus legit?

Anyway, he is legit..... too legit to quit.

What the heck kind of logic is that?

He didn't put that team together. Like i mentioned earlier, once his team starts falling apart (age, FA, etc.), we'll see what he can really do. He inherited a Championship team, and that same team is in the Championship now, i'd hardly call that his own doing.

Saints-Tigers
01-23-2009, 10:14 AM
Are we talking about his coaching skills or his GM skills? If we are saying anyone can win with that talent then Cowher's superbowl ring means nothing.

vidae
01-23-2009, 10:20 AM
Personally, I think he's more legit than say, Gruden was. Gruden won the SB the next year (with Dungys team) but Tomlin has taken the Steelers back a few years after Cowher retired. He has drafted his guys and motivated the players to play for him and believe in the system.

I think he is legit for sure.

Strongside
01-23-2009, 10:56 AM
Tomlin is a good coach for one major reason. He doesn't try to do too much. He didn't install his defense, he kept Lebeau and ran the 3-4. He listens to what his QB wants and tries to arrange the offense around him. His lack of ego I think has kept this team successful.

I'll agree with this.

I think Tomlin is a very good coach. His players trust him and love to play for him. If you have that than your team can definitely win some games

Job
01-23-2009, 11:20 AM
He's a good leader, but really he's just along for the ride on a great team with a great defense and a solid, very talented offense. Their defense is so good b/c of the talent and Dick LeBeau, but Tomlin is the glue of the team. I think he's a good coach, but he's not like Dungy or Belichick - the reason why the team is great.



well going to 5 NFC Championship games or however many plus a super bowl in 10 years isn't what I would call losing. :)

I wouldn't say Dungy's the reason the Colts are a great team. The guy is supposed to be a defensive genious yet that Colts defense has been terrible forever. I don't expect the Colts to lose a single step without him next year.

Bucs_Rule
01-23-2009, 01:23 PM
I wouldn't say Dungy's the reason the Colts are a great team. The guy is supposed to be a defensive genious yet that Colts defense has been terrible forever. I don't expect the Colts to lose a single step without him next year.

I wouldn't call the Colts defense awful, I think its an okay defense. In the playoffs it has performed better than the Colts offense. When you consider how much more money is spent on offense than defense and the team spent a lot of high picks on offense too he has done pretty good job.

LonghornsLegend
01-23-2009, 02:20 PM
Tomlin still deserves alot of credit...Norv Turner took over a championship team and has yet to make a Super Bowl, same with Wade Phillips.


Tomlin is great leader, motivator, he keeps that team in line, and for a group of guys who wanted Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm I'd say he took command of that team very well.


He's still got a ways to prove himself, but just because you take over a great team doesn't automatically equal a super bowl berth.

sweetness34
01-23-2009, 02:33 PM
I love Tomlin. I'd love to play for a guy like that, wears his heart on his sleeve. I wish Lovie would be more emotional on the field.

And yes I think he's legit. He does have a very talented team but when you look at teams like the Cowboys, Giants, etc that failed this year, I'm not a big believer that the players make all the difference.

Mr. Stiller
01-23-2009, 04:39 PM
The majority of the team that won the Superbowl under Cowher is what he inherited, so i'd wait a little before i praised him much.

Once people start leaving, i wanna see what he does.

Tomlins first draft:

1) Lawrence Timmons, ILB, Florida State
2) LaMarr Woodley, OLB, Michigan
3) Matt Spaeth, TE, Minnesota
4) Daniel Sepulveda, P, Baylor
4c) Ryan McBean, DE, Oklahoma State
5a) Cameron Stephonson, OG, Rutgers
5b) William ***, CB, Louisville
7) Dallas Baker, WR, Florida

UDFA:

Gary Russell, RB, Minnesota
Darnell Stapleton, C/G, Rutgers

the bolded ones are the only to not make a significant "Impact" on this team.

he's 23-9, 2-1 in the Playoffs.

Won 12 games against one of the toughtest pre-season SOS's in 30ish years.



And, if anyone studied the Cowher style offense + Defense... then studied the Tomlin offense+Defense.

You'd notice a huge change.


is it just me or... did Tomlin take "Cowhers" Left overs and make them to whats being considered a top 10 defense of all time.?

Mr. Stiller
01-23-2009, 04:40 PM
Tomlin still deserves alot of credit...Norv Turner took over a championship team and has yet to make a Super Bowl, same with Wade Phillips.


Tomlin is great leader, motivator, he keeps that team in line, and for a group of guys who wanted Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm I'd say he took command of that team very well.


He's still got a ways to prove himself, but just because you take over a great team doesn't automatically equal a super bowl berth.

I read an article somewhere yesterday that a lot of guys didn't like Tomlin his first year and he struggled winning the locker room over.

They said that the players started believing in "his way" at the end of last season and the offseason....

They said thats the huge difference in their level to play. The love winning games for him now.

I think Alan Faneca had the most to do with the dissent.

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Tomlins first draft:

1) Lawrence Timmons, ILB, Florida State
2) LaMarr Woodley, OLB, Michigan
3) Matt Spaeth, TE, Minnesota
4) Daniel Sepulveda, P, Baylor
4c) Ryan McBean, DE, Oklahoma State
5a) Cameron Stephonson, OG, Rutgers
5b) William ***, CB, Louisville
7) Dallas Baker, WR, Florida

UDFA:

Gary Russell, RB, Minnesota
Darnell Stapleton, C/G, Rutgers

the bolded ones are the only to not make a significant "Impact" on this team.

he's 23-9, 2-1 in the Playoffs.

Won 12 games against one of the toughtest pre-season SOS's in 30ish years.



And, if anyone studied the Cowher style offense + Defense... then studied the Tomlin offense+Defense.

You'd notice a huge change.


is it just me or... did Tomlin take "Cowhers" Left overs and make them to whats being considered a top 10 defense of all time.?

Maybe Dick LeBeau is the one that made the adjustments? Daniel Sepulveda hasn't done jack, actually, so he should probably be bolded as well.

And...
is it just me or... did Tomlin take "Cowhers" Left overs and make them to whats being considered a top 10 defense of all time.?

Whaaaaaa???

Strongside
01-23-2009, 05:31 PM
Maybe Dick LeBeau is the one that made the adjustments? Daniel Sepulveda hasn't done jack, actually, so he should probably be bolded as well.

And...


Whaaaaaa???

Sepulveda was doing very well for us his first year and if I recall he was statistically a top ten punter. Add that to his general badass-ness and I think it was a pretty good pick.

Regardless I think the FO people had more pull on that draft than either Tomlin or Lebeau did

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2009, 06:10 PM
Maybe Dick LeBeau is the one that made the adjustments? Daniel Sepulveda hasn't done jack, actually, so he should probably be bolded as well.

And...


Whaaaaaa???

Sepulveda was fricking amazing last year. He's hurt this year.

bored of education
01-23-2009, 06:11 PM
Sepulveda was fricking amazing last year. He's hurt this year.

Sepulveda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Metsox

captainjack27
01-23-2009, 06:15 PM
Maybe Dick LeBeau is the one that made the adjustments? Daniel Sepulveda hasn't done jack, actually, so he should probably be bolded as well.

And...


Whaaaaaa???

Are you kidding me? Sepulveda was awesome last year. Him being hurt this year has been very crippling since Mitch Berger is absolutely terrible and punts the ball maybe 30 yards.

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2009, 06:16 PM
Ha, and 4 posts owning Metsox. Awesome.

JonasBlane
01-23-2009, 07:57 PM
Our draft in Tomlin's first year is looking soo good now. I remember at the end of the season last year it was not looking too good asides from Woodley. I wonder why he didn't get more playing time last season over Haggans? He was so efficient in the snaps he did play... Ah well. Only qualm I really have with the draft is taking a back-up TE with a #3. Spaeth has turned out to be great in the #2 TE role. But I really think that pick could have been spent more wisely elsewhere.


And as for Tomlin, I don't think he is a genius X's and O's guy along the lines of Bill Bellicheck... But more of just a leader of men, which he is excellent at. I think you have to consider him a huge success so far, especially since we missed the playoffs the year before he got here(even though we had playoffs talent).

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2009, 07:59 PM
What does the draft have to do with Tomlin as a coach though? He's not even the GM :P

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 08:20 PM
Ha, and 4 posts owning Metsox. Awesome.

21st in Punt average, 11th in Net average, tied with 4 others for 10th in kicks out of bounds, and 8th in punts inside the 20.

The stats that are most indicative of Sepulveda as a punter are punt average and punts inside the 20. Horrible in one and above average in the other.

If that's what you call "fricking amazing" and "awesome", i'd hate to see what bad is.

You all are owned for thinking that's good, not me.

SteelCzar76
01-23-2009, 08:25 PM
What does the draft have to do with Tomlin as a coach though? He's not even the GM :P

Because,..believe it or not the Head Coach does have some degree of influence upon the GM. For instance,...in the HISTORY of Colbert's tenure with us, we have never drafted a LB or RB in the 1st round.

Because we draft undersized collegiate DE's and convert them to backers and were smart enough to realize that rb's,.. unless they are once in a generation players,... are often some of the biggest risks of the drafts.

But since Tomlin arrived,...he fell in love with a greatly overated Timmons, and Colbert drafted him.(even knowing he would still take Wood in the 2nd).
As well as placating Tomlin again this season with a Big Ten Rb in the 1st.

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2009, 08:26 PM
So he was top eleven in net average, kicks OOB and inside the 20. Punt Average is an overrated stat since it depends where you are. I think you are off on this one my friend :P

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2009, 08:28 PM
Because,..believe it or not the coach does have some degree of influence upon the GM. For instance,...in the HISTORY of Colbert's tenure with us, we have never drafted a LB or RB in the 1st round.

Because we draft undersized collegiate DE's and convert them to backers and were smart enough to realize the 1st rb's,.. unless they are once in a generation players,... are often some of the biggest risks of the drafts.

But since Tomlin arrived,...he fell in love with a greatly overated Timmons, and Colbert drafted him.(even knowing he would still take Wood in the 2nd).
As well as placating Tomlin again this season with a Big Ten Rb in the 1st.

Because we never needed a LB or RB or we very well may have. I really don't feel these draft picks are very relevant to this thread at least, on if Tomlin is a legit coach or not.

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 08:28 PM
So he was top eleven in net average, kicks OOB and inside the 20. Punt Average is an overrated stat since it depends where you are. I think you are off on this one my friend :P

And net average is more of a reflection on your coverage team than the punter, so i guess it's an equal trade off. Either way, i think us objective viewers can all agree that he was not by any means amazing, but fairly decent to good. Sucks he's hurt, but let's not make him out to be Ray Guy either.

captainjack27
01-23-2009, 08:30 PM
21st in Punt average, 11th in Net average, tied with 4 others for 10th in kicks out of bounds, and 8th in punts inside the 20.

The stats that are most indicative of Sepulveda as a punter are punt average and punts inside the 20. Horrible in one and above average in the other.

If that's what you call "fricking amazing" and "awesome", i'd hate to see what bad is.

You all are owned for thinking that's good, not me.

Yea, and have you watched how bad Mitch Berger is. Sepulveda was clearly a loss, and for a rookie, yea I think thats pretty damm good.

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 08:34 PM
Yea, and have you watched how bad Mitch Berger is. Sepulveda was clearly a loss, and for a rookie, yea I think thats pretty damm good.

I don't think the fact that he was a rookie should make his numbers seem more of an accomplishment than what they are. It's not like there's much of a learning curve from college to pros. The biggest and probably the only important difference is the ball. There's no schemes, reading of defenses, nothing. His skill right now probably isn't gonna change much three years down the line.

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2009, 08:36 PM
And net average is more of a reflection on your coverage team than the punter, so i guess it's an equal trade off. Either way, i think us objective viewers can all agree that he was not by any means amazing, but fairly decent to good. Sucks he's hurt, but let's not make him out to be Ray Guy either.

No one is making him to be Ray Guy, but he is still has to develop as an NFL punter. Who is to say he won't improve?

captainjack27
01-23-2009, 08:37 PM
I don't think the fact that he was a rookie should make his numbers seem more of an accomplishment than what they are. It's not like there's much of a learning curve from college to pros. The biggest and probably the only important difference is the ball. There's no schemes, reading of defenses, nothing. His skill right now probably isn't gonna change much three years down the line.

I'll give you that, to me though the difference between our punting last year and our punting this year is astronomical. Berger was cut at one point he was playing so bad. Sepulveda isn't a top punter, but he made an impact and it's showed this year.

Nitschke-Hawk
01-23-2009, 08:39 PM
You guys ever heard him talk? Tomlin is awesome. "Guy gets injured, we replace him with another man. We're a group of men. We'll come out and hit em in the mouth again next week." not a real quote, he says stuff like this all the time.

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 08:41 PM
I'll give you that, to me though the difference between our punting last year and our punting this year is astronomical. Berger was cut at one point he was playing so bad. Sepulveda isn't a top punter, but he made an impact and it's showed this year.

Well i'll concede that the impact when you compare his punting to Berger's is what means the most right now, and i probably should have re-phrased what i said.

He hasn't performed at a level to be considered amazing, or one of the best, but in this instance what he offered the team outweighed his average-ness.

There, truce ;).

Zyro_1014
01-23-2009, 08:48 PM
Personally, Tomlin is probably one of my favorite coaches in the league right now. Hes young, and has a lot of emotion/heart. I think he has stepped into a good situation with a lot of talent around him, but you still have to be a good coach to win ball games. There have been very talented teams that have not done squat.

ShutDwn
01-23-2009, 09:23 PM
He is a defensive coach, but he isn't really doing much with regard to scheme because Lebeau does all that. I think he is a good motivator, but I think the fact that he doesn't have a ton of influence on playcalling of either side hurts him in my own view.

However, I would personally rather have a HC who isn't too connected to one side of the ball.

MetSox17
01-23-2009, 09:54 PM
C'mon, what kind of legit coach doesn't like a celebratory gatorade shower?!

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09023/943934-66.stm

holt_bruce81
01-23-2009, 09:58 PM
I like Mike Tomlin, he's one of my favorite coaches right now. I love his attitude and his coaching style. I think he's legit for sure.

Mr. Stiller
01-23-2009, 11:58 PM
Maybe Dick LeBeau is the one that made the adjustments? Daniel Sepulveda hasn't done jack, actually, so he should probably be bolded as well.

And...


Whaaaaaa???



Daniel Sepulveda would be one of the best punters in the league this season this year with this coverage team. We were #1 in Kick Coverage, #2 in Punt Coverage and this is with Miserable Mitch Berger. Sepulveda couldn't let them loose. He had terrible coverage players so, he couldn't outkick the coverage. If he had this years coverage, he'd be kicking the **** out of the ball.


LeBeau has always utilized the same style of defense. However Tomlin has been influencing this defense. You can see his cover-2 Changes in the defensive backfield.


What does the draft have to do with Tomlin as a coach though? He's not even the GM :P

We don't even have a GM. Colbert is the Director of Football Operations. Teamed with Omar Kahn our Business Operations Coordinator.

Jim Wexell has even said, Colbert was brought in when Donahue left because he would let the coaches have Significant input, as far as saying: "Colbert does pick the guys, but, it's his job to get his coach the players he wants."

I don't think the fact that he was a rookie should make his numbers seem more of an accomplishment than what they are. It's not like there's much of a learning curve from college to pros. The biggest and probably the only important difference is the ball. There's no schemes, reading of defenses, nothing. His skill right now probably isn't gonna change much three years down the line.

Like I said, the biggest difference is the coverage teams. With our coverage teams this year, He would probably lead the league in I20's, Net Average, Gross Average.

But since Tomlin arrived,...he fell in love with a greatly overated Timmons, and Colbert drafted him.(even knowing he would still take Wood in the 2nd).
As well as placating Tomlin again this season with a Big Ten Rb in the 1st.

Overrated Timmons? Have you honestly watched him play?

MetSox17
01-24-2009, 12:37 AM
Daniel Sepulveda would be one of the best punters in the league this season this year with this coverage team. We were #1 in Kick Coverage, #2 in Punt Coverage and this is with Miserable Mitch Berger. Sepulveda couldn't let them loose. He had terrible coverage players so, he couldn't outkick the coverage. If he had this years coverage, he'd be kicking the **** out of the ball.


Like I said, the biggest difference is the coverage teams. With our coverage teams this year, He would probably lead the league in I20's, Net Average, Gross Average.


I don't doubt that your knowledge of the Pittsburgh coverage teams far outweighs mine, but let's not play Nostradamus here and pretend like we know what would happen if you plugged in __X__ player in __X___ scheme. Next year he will have his shot with a good coverage team, and we will be able to see how he fares.

Mr. Stiller
01-24-2009, 12:48 AM
I don't doubt that your knowledge of the Pittsburgh coverage teams far outweighs mine, but let's not play Nostradamus here and pretend like we know what would happen if you plugged in __X__ player in __X___ scheme. Next year he will have his shot with a good coverage team, and we will be able to see how he fares.

So let me get this straight.

My knowledge outweighs yours..

We went from 32nd Punt coverage to 2nd in a single offseason.

But we can't assume that Sepulveda's stats would have significantly improved, even though the Punt Coverage team went from last to practically best?

It is hard to jest "Who would do better" but this isn't exactly a crazy scenario here.

DeathbyStat
01-24-2009, 07:18 AM
I not sure.....but Dick Lebeau is legit

skinzzfan25
01-24-2009, 07:58 AM
Tomlin is more than legit. He's a good coach and an even better leader of men.

If he isn't legit, than I wouldn't know what to call Wade Phillips after he inherited Parcells' pre built Cowboys or Norv Turner and Marty's 14-2 Bolts.

Many coaches have stepped into better programs. I will however give LeBeau his props, I feel that he's one of the main proponents as to why they're playing in the superbowl again.

savedbygrace89
01-24-2009, 05:32 PM
I love the job he's done, and would easily take him as my HC, but the question is how much of this team's success is due to the team he was handed over?

This team that he is winning with is still coach Cowher's. I have been a Steelers fan for over 25 years and Cowher did a great job in the Burgh. Now, dont get me wrong, cause I think Coach Tomlin has did a fine job, but he still winning with Cowher's players.. The one thing that Tomlin has done for the Steelers is he has made the Secondary a whole lot better in a very short time.

savedbygrace89
01-24-2009, 05:34 PM
Tomlin is more than legit. He's a good coach and an even better leader of men.

If he isn't legit, than I wouldn't know what to call Wade Phillips after he inherited Parcells' pre built Cowboys or Norv Turner and Marty's 14-2 Bolts.

Many coaches have stepped into better programs. I will however give LeBeau his props, I feel that he's one of the main proponents as to why they're playing in the superbowl again.

As with any coach that takes the jobs in Oakland and Dallas you must be soft and let the owner make all the terrible calls. I would just love to really know what Bum Phillips thinks about what his son has to deal with in Dallas. Turner has never been a good coach, he is a fantastic offensive mind, but he is not a good head coach.

Shane P. Hallam
01-25-2009, 11:13 AM
Good point was made on NFL Countdown today by Chris Berman. The Steelers didn't lose two games in a row. When they got hit hard, they came back, played hard, and won. That is a credit to Tomlin I believe.

Smooth Criminal
01-25-2009, 11:37 AM
I don't care what your roster looks like, guiding a team to the Superbowl takes a legit coach.

Hes a good one. Hes gonna have a nice long career in Pittsburgh, like the two that came before him.

D-Rod
01-25-2009, 12:00 PM
Good point was made on NFL Countdown today by Chris Berman. The Steelers didn't lose two games in a row. When they got hit hard, they came back, played hard, and won. That is a credit to Tomlin I believe.

Also true, incidentally, of the Falcons.

Tomlin is definitely legit. There are talented players on every NFL roster. The key is getting those players to perform at their best, which mostly comes down to effort and heart. Tomlin gets those players to play hard on every single snap. Less able coaches cannot.

Strongside
01-25-2009, 01:49 PM
I think this sums it up pretty well. (Shamelessly stolen from The Onion)

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Feature-Roony-R.jpg

BBIB
01-26-2009, 12:42 PM
I love the job he's done, and would easily take him as my HC, but the question is how much of this team's success is due to the team he was handed over?

He can't win

If he loses, "How can you lose with that talent"

If he wins, "He's a system coach"

Yeah never mind the incredibly tough schedule the Steelers were dealt this year.

Never mind the defensive footprint he has put on that team especially with guys like Harrison, he's a system coach.


That's why he will get all the blame if the STeelers lose the Super Bowl.

katnip
01-26-2009, 05:07 PM
I like him

Tomlin = Legit

Bucs_Rule
01-26-2009, 06:24 PM
The Steelers are a very talented team, but by no means are they a dominant one. Taking the 4th favorite team in your conference to the SuperBowl is a big deal. After Brady went down Indy and SD were expected to be better than Pittsburgh.

It is a big coaching accomplishment to take this team to the SuperBowl. He's legit.

Flyboy
01-26-2009, 10:20 PM
I think this sums it up pretty well. (Shamelessly stolen from The Onion)

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Feature-Roony-R.jpg

Thanks for posting a picture of him in DA BOMBER. My friend and I were talkin' about that after the AFCCG:

me: As soon as I saw Tomlin in DA BOMBER last night? I knew the Ravens didn't have a chance.
Friend: LOL. i actually had changed the channel when Clark and McGhee collided so when I came back, Willie was stretched out. I was like:
"OMG, TOMLIN SHOT HIM!"
me: LMAO
Friend: I could see it all in my mind, Willie breaking through the line and about to score the game-winning touchdown when Tomlin rips off his headset..."Oh HELL naw! Not on MY watch! *reaches into his bomber*

Lions2342
02-01-2009, 09:54 PM
I know that this is old, but after winning a Super Bowl I think it is safe to say that he is legit.

ricowboy
02-01-2009, 09:59 PM
Great coach with a big assist from the Refs!

Mr. Stiller
02-01-2009, 10:10 PM
Great coach with a big assist from the Refs!

Terrible poster who should have his posting privileges away.

Jakey
02-01-2009, 10:17 PM
Tomlin is beast...tell him otherwise and you'll get murked.

Smooth Criminal
02-01-2009, 11:14 PM
Definately a great coach. I don't care how much talent a team has, taking them to the Superbowl and winning it takes a great coach aswell.

Loggerhead
02-01-2009, 11:22 PM
The man is legit. He managed to get his players respect after taking over from a legend in Coach Cowher. That is an accomplishment in itself.

Paranoidmoonduck
02-01-2009, 11:27 PM
Come on, how is he not. Not many men can both coach a professional football team at a championship level and star in a hit medical drama at the same time.

Lions2342
02-01-2009, 11:48 PM
^^^Hahahah, I have been saying ever since he got hired that he looked just like Omar Epps.

He definitely is legit. I think that it would be harder to win a team over that is accustomed to winning, then a team that consistently loses and is looking for direction. He just oozes confidence and looks like a coach that you would want to lay it on the line for. He definitely has pushed all the right buttons so far.

BBIB
02-02-2009, 10:52 AM
Definately a great coach. I don't care how much talent a team has, taking them to the Superbowl and winning it takes a great coach aswell.

Especially considering the team exceeds in the area where he was a coordinator.

There are so many coaches who are supposed to be offensive minds, but their defense is the best asset. Or coaches who are supposed to be defensive minded but their offense gets it done.

Tomlin has to be considered legit period.

LonghornsLegend
02-02-2009, 12:00 PM
You could just listen to him talk after the Super Bowl, he's a great motivator, he fits Pittsburgh whole montra perfectly and his team plays balls out for him...He's gonna be around for awhile and I think he ends up winning at least another ring.

tony77
02-02-2009, 12:06 PM
The organization is just strong from top to bottom. Tomlin obviously shares the philosophy that the executives have and that's why he is there. Cowher did, as did Noll.

3 coaches, 40 seasons, 6 rings. It goes hand in hand. You would never see the Steelers hire Rich Kotite or Jerry Glanville (just as examples), because they would be embarrassments to the legacy of the Steelers.

JonasBlane
02-02-2009, 02:26 PM
Tomlin is a great coach and definitely legit... LeBeau deserves just as much credit though.

tony77
02-02-2009, 02:30 PM
Tomlin is a great coach and definitely legit... LeBeau deserves just as much credit though.

Fair statement. I am sure that Tomlin and LeBeau worked together since both are defensive guys. A young coach like that was smart enough to surround himself with a talented coaching staff.