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GiantRutgersFan
03-04-2007, 11:18 PM
Although I am probably alone on this one, I think Rodgers is gonna be a better player long term.


I dont think either of them will be great, but I think Rodgers is gonna be better.



Alex Smith just kind of doesn't seem like he has it. I think he will be okay, and start for a while but not a franchise QB by any stretch.

I think Rodgers is significantly better and is gonna have a better career by a good margin

What do you think?

RaiderNation
03-04-2007, 11:19 PM
rodgers hasnt even started a game. no comparisions until rodgers plays some

MNRunLeft
03-04-2007, 11:20 PM
Alex Smith really improved this season, while Rodgers hasn't done anything but hold a clipboard while in the NFL. At this point you can't even start to compaire the two because Rodgers hasn't played.

GiantRutgersFan
03-04-2007, 11:22 PM
Alex Smith really improved this season, while Rodgers hasn't done anything but hold a clipboard while in the NFL. At this point you can't even start to compaire the two because Rodgers hasn't played.

He has played a little bit.

And you can tell from out of college as well

WMD
03-04-2007, 11:23 PM
Alex Smith, most definately.

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-04-2007, 11:23 PM
I'll take Rodgers because I liked him better out of college.

DHVF
03-04-2007, 11:25 PM
I'll reserve my judgement until Rodgers actually gets a chance to start full time. Saying anything at this point is simply premature.

BLACKnGOLD
03-04-2007, 11:35 PM
rodgers has been given virtually no shot so this is a moot topic.

however, alex smith was pretty good last year- his best target was hurt for most of the year, and bryant was suspended for some of the season. He made TONS of progress, but was actually playing on a run oriented team so his numbers weren't going to be huge.

Remember the Seattle game- he rebounded from a bad first half, put his team on his back and came back to win. He is a very good athlete at the position, is still very young, and is a likely franchise caliber qb no doubt.

JC the Savior
03-04-2007, 11:57 PM
Smith along with his 49ers are improving fast. They've built a strong young foundation on offense with Smith, Gore, and Davis... and if they are able to bring in a young stud WR to compliment that trio the 49ers offense will be good for a very long time.

Rodgers, although I haven't seen him in the NFL yet, doesn't have a lot of playmakers on the offense. Asides from Driver, the offense is depleted.

WildDude
03-05-2007, 12:15 AM
Rodgers, Alex Smiths a waste he just sucks he oughta take his smarts to the bussiness world cause he aint cutting it in football, if it was leinart that got drafted by the 49ers theyd actually be good he seems like hes on the right track with Arizona

16_SFfan_80
03-05-2007, 12:18 AM
This is a ******** topic, considering that Rodgers hasn't even played a game yet.

But just for the sake of arguing, Alex Smith will be a better quarterback. Smith will take a huge leap forward this year, now with a better defense and a more developed Vernon Davis.

Aaron Rodgers will be a career backup, and will never do anything noteable in the league.

16_SFfan_80
03-05-2007, 12:20 AM
Rodgers, Alex Smiths a waste he just sucks he oughta take his smarts to the bussiness world cause he aint cutting it in football, if it was leinart that got drafted by the 49ers theyd actually be good he seems like hes on the right track with Arizona

What an ignorant statement.

Leinart, despite having a ferocious duo of Fitzgerald and Boldin, was statiscally far worse than Alex Smith last season.

Alex Smith is a better quarterback than Leinart. Known fact: the Arizona Cardinals will never accomplish anything ever.

RaiderNation
03-05-2007, 12:44 AM
What an ignorant statement.

Leinart, despite having a ferocious duo of Fitzgerald and Boldin, was statiscally far worse than Alex Smith last season.

Alex Smith is a better quarterback than Leinart. Known fact: the Arizona Cardinals will never accomplish anything ever.


known fact: alex smith threw 1 td and 11 ints in his first year. leinart will be on another level than alex smith

16_SFfan_80
03-05-2007, 12:47 AM
known fact: alex smith threw 1 td and 11 ints in his first year. leinart will be on another level than alex smith

Known facts: Alex played behind a worse O-Line that season than the Arizona Cardinals and had Brandon Lloyd has his #1 receiver. Leinart had Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Edgerrin James. Alex could look like a stud with all those weapons as well. It's not that difficult. Leinart is overrated, simply because he went to USC. Clearly a lot of teams recognized his deficiences. That's why he fell in the draft.

DChess
03-05-2007, 12:49 AM
smith, although its almost impossible to compare the two when rodgers hasnt started a game

GiantRutgersFan
03-05-2007, 12:50 AM
And why does everyone think Vernon Davis is gonna be so great? I think hes gonna be a very good player, but he had a sub par year so you shouldn't be talking like hes a superstar (although he may be at some point)

AS11toFG21
03-05-2007, 12:52 AM
And why does everyone think Vernon Davis is gonna be so great? I think hes gonna be a very good player, but he had a sub par year so you shouldn't be talking like hes a superstar (although he may be at some point)

He got hurt. He'll be a Top TE in a few years. Reason being he's a physical freak with a strong desire to be the best in the game.

niel89
03-05-2007, 01:00 AM
this a really stupid question because as many have pointed out rodgers hasnt played at all. you can say that well i liked rodgers better our of college because things become very different once you get to the nfl. at this point alex smith is the better player for two reasons 1) he has played. 2) he is visibly progressing.

after he had a terrible 1st year he had a much better 2nd year. once he gets some more weapons such as a true #1 WR then he will IMO get even better. he is young athletic and very smart. at the end of the year in 05 i didnt think that he could ever improve but he has bounced back and really improved a lot

RaiderNation
03-05-2007, 01:02 AM
Known facts: Alex played behind a worse O-Line that season than the Arizona Cardinals and had Brandon Lloyd has his #1 receiver. Leinart had Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Edgerrin James. Alex could look like a stud with all those weapons as well. It's not that difficult. Leinart is overrated, simply because he went to USC. Clearly a lot of teams recognized his deficiences. That's why he fell in the draft.


so carson palmer is overated because hes a usc qb? no i think have leonard davis at ur LT is pretty bad. lloyd is a good wr but ur right on how leinart has fitz and boldin. also smith BARELY did better than leinart this year even though leinart is a rookie and didnt play every game.

Smith 16 tds 16ints 74.8 rating 16 games
Leinart 11 tds 12 ints 74.0 rating 12 games

PLUS smith had a 1,500+ yard runner in 06 and leinart had barely 1,000 rusher. niners had a better line too

ninerfan
03-05-2007, 01:04 AM
Alex by a mile at this stage. He has shown he has the talent and the knowledge to succeed in an improving team.

My concern over Rodgers is that he wont have played a meaningful game in over 3 years if Favre doesnt get hurt this season so really the Packers are no better off than they were in 2005. We still cant say wether Rodgers is any good or not

d34ng3l021
03-05-2007, 01:36 AM
Alex by a mile at this stage. He has shown he has the talent and the knowledge to succeed in an improving team.

My concern over Rodgers is that he wont have played a meaningful game in over 3 years if Favre doesnt get hurt this season so really the Packers are no better off than they were in 2005. We still cant say wether Rodgers is any good or not

Same would have been said of Rivers.

Guys sitting on the bench for muliple years and starting later, isnt a bad idea, and QBs like that tend to progress well and seem to surprise people too. Alex Smith was thrown into a fire early (too early, I think) and showed that he was not ready.

Anyway, I think Turner is a massive loss, but I still think Smith can be better. He seems to have it all; the athleticism, smarts, and work ethic. I would like to see what he can do with a solid WRs and a good pass protecting OL.

KCJ58
03-05-2007, 01:39 AM
ALEX SMITH no question

AS11toFG21
03-05-2007, 01:50 AM
lloyd is a good wr

No, he's not.

Addict
03-05-2007, 02:35 AM
Known facts: Alex played behind a worse O-Line that season than the Arizona Cardinals

I cannot believe you said that.

What's the philosophy, they want to draft Joe Thomas more than anything because he looks good in red?

Caddy
03-05-2007, 02:38 AM
Uhh Alex Smith

sup3rk1ng
03-05-2007, 03:15 AM
And why does everyone think Vernon Davis is gonna be so great? I think hes gonna be a very good player, but he had a sub par year so you shouldn't be talking like hes a superstar (although he may be at some point)

He finished the season incredibly strong. In his last 4 games, he had 13 catches, 196 yards(2 of the games going over 70 yards) and 2 tds. That might not seem like much, but you have to consider the fact that he was used alot as a blocker(he's one of the best blockers on our team) because kwame harris can't block ish. He's shown amazing flashes in his limited play this year, but I still think he has some work to do. I think he'll have a semi-break out year with about 55 catches for 750 yards and 8 tds, but I don't think he'll be considered elite until his 3rd year.

On to the main topic, this is an incredibly unfair comparison. You can't compare a guy that hasn't started to a guy that has. That would be like comparing phillip rivers career, before this year, to the other qbs in his class. I like aaron rodgers, he's a cal bear and a local kid. I really hope he does well in the nfl, despite the team he plays for.

As for Alex, he's in a pretty good situation in SF. He's got alot of young talent around him and, hopefully, backed up by a pretty good defense this up coming season. He's on a run first team, so he won't be putting up monster stats for us, but I think he'll be incredibly efficient. I'm predicting about 19 tds, 10 interceptions and about 3300 yards. He has a ton of potential though, he's still going to only be 23 at the start of the season(he was only 20 years old when got drafted). I don't think he'll have his break year until next year. He's a guy that needs to feel comfortable in the system he's playing in, before he takes his game to the next level(according to urban meyer).

stl9erfan
03-05-2007, 03:31 AM
Alex's first year really hurt him in a lot of people's estimation, but any QB asked to make do with a starting unit of Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd at WR, Kevan Barlow at RB, and Billy Bajema (a rookie, 7th round blocking specialist) at TE would have struggled, especially if he were a rookie himself, as Smith was. Honestly, I'm amazed the 2005 49ers managed to win four games, they were absolutely horrible offensively.

I really think Smith has it in him to develop into a franchise QB. What Niner fans know that many others don't is the ridiculous work ethic-- the kid has it in him to be great (and I say kid because remember, he's only 22). You read about the amount of time he puts into studying the game, the offense, and his opponents, and then take into account his physical gifts (mobility and a better than advertised arm on a 6-4 frame), and the fact that he's already developed into a team leader and you would be like us Niner fans-- you'd start wondering how he could possibly fail over the long run.

SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.

sup3rk1ng
03-05-2007, 03:37 AM
Alex's first year really hurt him in a lot of people's estimation, but any QB asked to make do with a starting unit of Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd at WR, Kevan Barlow at RB, and Billy Bajema (a rookie, 7th round blocking TE) as a rookie would have had trouble. Honestly, I'm amazed the 2005 49ers managed to win four games, they were absolutely horrible.

I really think Smith has it in him to develop into a franchise QB. What Niner fans know that many others don't is the ridiculous work ethic-- the kid has it in him to be great (and I say kid because remember, he's only 22). You read about the amount of time he puts into studying the game, the offense, and his opponents, and then take into account his physical gifts (mobility and a better than advertised arm on a 6-4 frame), and the fact that he's already developed into a team leader and you would be like us Niner fans-- you'd start wondering how he could possibly fail over the long run.

SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.

Great post, and the bold is definitely true. He watches a ridiculous amount of game film during the offseason. From what I've read, he basically lived at the 49ers facility last offseason. If he keeps up the work ethic, I can definitely see him beating out my expectations of him for this up coming season.

PackerMang
03-05-2007, 07:05 AM
I personally think that Rodgers will need a year (like Smith) to put it all together but will be good, and him and smith will have a comparable career. Note that Rodgers is also very young and even though he is 23 he is only 5 months older then smith.

GiantRutgersFan
03-05-2007, 07:14 AM
SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.

lol.

No way Jose. He's not gonna be better then any of those 6 imo. He just doesnt have it. Maybe he will be better then Lienart cause hes on Arizona, but thats it and just cause Arizona is always terrible.

Cutler, Young, and Lienart all had better rookie seasons then Smith had in his second year.

Eli and Big Ben's second years were both outstanding. Rivers had a nice first year.


Thats just a homer statement cause theres no evidence. Smith threw the same amount of INTs as TDs.

tom
03-05-2007, 07:29 AM
The fact that the Packers are willing to deal Rodgers should tell you something about him. Considering that Favre will surely retire after this year, they need a new guy, and if they're willing to part with him, they don't have much faith in him. Why should we?

Alex smith on the other hand has produced, and will be a very good qb when he gets some more tools.

Addict
03-05-2007, 07:31 AM
The fact that the Packers are willing to deal Rodgers should tell you something about him.

are they? I have not heared anything to indicate that.

tom
03-05-2007, 07:39 AM
are they? I have not heared anything to indicate that.

Yup, to the raiders for Randy Moss... it's either Rodgers or a 2nd.

eacantdraft
03-05-2007, 07:42 AM
He has played a little bit.

And you can tell from out of college as well

What a player did in college doesn't mean a thing of what he will do in the NFL.

Yet another rediculous thread by the thread starter king.

Rogers hasn't shown anything when he has played. Alex Smith has shown more flashes.

Ewing
03-05-2007, 07:46 AM
Neither, that QB class was terrible. I would rather have the seventh quarterback taken in last years draft, Brodie Croyle, over Smith and Rodgers.

eacantdraft
03-05-2007, 10:05 AM
Yup, to the raiders for Randy Moss... it's either Rodgers or a 2nd.

Green Bay would be stupid for doing this. They are a rebuilding team, not a disgruntled declining player away from the Super Bowl.

FloridaFootball
03-05-2007, 10:08 AM
Jason Campbell.

MNRunLeft
03-05-2007, 10:23 AM
Rodgers is a Jeff Tedford QB which means he has bust written all over him.

16_SFfan_80
03-05-2007, 10:28 AM
Alex Smith had a comparable passer rating last season to Eli Manning, despite the fact that Eli's WR's are 4000 times better than those of Alexs'. Alex will be a better quarterback than that overrated clown.

bigbluedefense
03-05-2007, 10:29 AM
Alex's first year really hurt him in a lot of people's estimation, but any QB asked to make do with a starting unit of Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd at WR, Kevan Barlow at RB, and Billy Bajema (a rookie, 7th round blocking specialist) at TE would have struggled, especially if he were a rookie himself, as Smith was. Honestly, I'm amazed the 2005 49ers managed to win four games, they were absolutely horrible offensively.

I really think Smith has it in him to develop into a franchise QB. What Niner fans know that many others don't is the ridiculous work ethic-- the kid has it in him to be great (and I say kid because remember, he's only 22). You read about the amount of time he puts into studying the game, the offense, and his opponents, and then take into account his physical gifts (mobility and a better than advertised arm on a 6-4 frame), and the fact that he's already developed into a team leader and you would be like us Niner fans-- you'd start wondering how he could possibly fail over the long run.

SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.

I'll be the first person to say that I feel that Alex Smith was being ripped on unfairly last year, and I also believe that you have to give 4 years before you can truely evaluate a qb, but to say as much as you did is a stretch right now.

He threw 16 TDs and 16 INTs, thats hardly a 2nd year leap. Hell, for all of Eli's scrutiny, he had a much better 2nd season than Alex Smith. And he gets ragged on badly. So to say what you said about Smith is very bold right now.

I think he'll develop into a fine player, and I think he'll improve more this upcoming year, but let's not go overboard here.

Shiver
03-05-2007, 10:43 AM
Jason Campbell.

I agree with this. I think Campbell ends up the best of the '05 QB Class. Smith being second. Walter and Rodgers never being starting caliber types.

HawkeyeFan
03-05-2007, 10:50 AM
Aaron Rodgers
- When he gets his chance he'll be something special.

GiantRutgersFan
03-05-2007, 11:28 AM
Alex Smith had a comparable passer rating last season to Eli Manning, despite the fact that Eli's WR's are 4000 times better than those of Alexs'. Alex will be a better quarterback than that overrated clown.

lol.

People just love to hate on Eli Manning. He played half the season with Tim Carter starting and David Tyree as our 3rd reciever....

Amani toomer and Sinorice Moss both were injured over half the season. Plus our LT was as well.

And Eli still did a hell of a lot better then Smith, even through pure stats. Throw in things like comebacks, and Eli is a hell of a lot better that it shouldnt even be brought up.

Larry
03-05-2007, 11:54 AM
Rodgers is a Tedford QB, that reason alone I'd stay away from him.

Shiver
03-05-2007, 12:11 PM
Rodgers is a Tedford QB, that reason alone I'd stay away from him.

Not only that, he was probably the least talented one of them. I have no reason to believe Aaron Rodgers will ever turn into something.

stl9erfan
03-05-2007, 02:51 PM
Giants fans,

Chill. This is a forum, I'm voicing my opinion having watched a lot of Niner games over the past two years, and quite a few nationally televised Giants games. That's all.

That said, some of you who summarily dismiss Smith as being an inferior QB to Eli are missing the point. You ask what Smith has shown-- I would reply to you what has Eli shown? At least Smith has demonstrated consistent improvement from year to year so far-- Eli hasn't even done that. Admit it, if his last name weren't Manning, the NY fans and media would have turned on him a long time ago.

Just my .02

ETA: dhoe20, I guess we both just have our opinions. Only time will tell.

RaVeNFaNaCtIc
03-05-2007, 02:54 PM
well aaron rodgers gets the luxury of learning from Brett Farve while Alex Smith was just thrown into the NFL. I think Alex Smith is the better player overall but Aaron Rodgers does come close.

dhoe20
03-05-2007, 04:07 PM
Aaron Rodgers ain't ever gonna start. Favre's a Packer for life.

Edit: And to the dumbass that said that Alex Smith is better than Eli.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm sorry but that's just stupid, and there's no point in even arguing about it.

Giants fans,

Chill. This is a forum, I'm voicing my opinion having watched a lot of Niner games over the past two years, and quite a few nationally televised Giants games. That's all.

That said, some of you who summarily dismiss Smith as being an inferior QB to Eli are missing the point. You ask what Smith has shown-- I would reply to you what has Eli shown? At least Smith has demonstrated consistent improvement from year to year so far-- Eli hasn't even done that. Admit it, if his last name weren't Manning, the NY fans and media would have turned on him a long time ago.

Just my .02

I'm also voicing my opinion...you're an idiot.

What was Eli done? 2 back to back playoffs, 24 TD's in both of his starting years. @Philly in 2006, against Denver in 2005, against the Colts this year, etc. He's had plenty of outstanding games. And no that last statement is total BS, if his last name wasn't Manning no one could be criticizing him as much.

Alex Smith sucks, and he's going to hurt worse this year without Norv Turner.

princefielder28
03-05-2007, 04:09 PM
Alex Smith; He's getting gradually better and Rodgers hasn't proven anything other than he can get hurt in the few plays that he's actually in.

toonsterwu
03-05-2007, 06:39 PM
I thought Smith was the better QB that year, and I don't think anything's changed my perceptions. Granted, Rodgers hasn't had the opportunity to change my perceptions, but there's been rumblings for a couple years now that they would consider moving him.

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-05-2007, 06:45 PM
I dont think its that fair of a question really.I chose Rodgers cause I liked him more than Alex SMith coming out.But so far he doesnt have the playing time to have proven anything.If anything this should be more of an argument of who the better prospect was coming out.

But Id also like to add this.Without Gore how many games would have SF won this year?

rainbeaukid2
03-05-2007, 07:23 PM
I dont think its that fair of a question really.I chose Rodgers cause I liked him more than Alex SMith coming out.But so far he doesnt have the playing time to have proven anything.If anything this should be more of an argument of who the better prospect was coming out.

But Id also like to add this.Without Gore how many games would have SF won this year?

not very many as he was SF's only real weapon this year. i give credit to alex doing as well as he has done this last year with the guys he had. i doubt that that many other young qb's could have done as well with the lack of receiving options and the lack of a consistent oline.