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Addict
03-05-2007, 10:40 AM
So, I was wondering, since we most likely will not be taking a QB this year, at least not one we could justify starting, who's out there next year who we could draft to solve the QB situation.

let's be positive and say we are picking somewhere between 10 and 20.

I have no clue, so i'm not even going to drop a name.

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 10:41 AM
I think it'll be Stanton or Orlovsky.

Addict
03-05-2007, 10:47 AM
I think it'll be Stanton or Orlovsky.

can't draft them in '08 ;).

Maybe Brohm? Or that kid from USC, Booty (don't know if he's any good, but I just love his last name).

jbombul
03-05-2007, 11:14 AM
what about colt brennan?

Addict
03-05-2007, 11:17 AM
what about colt brennan?

oooh I forgot about him. Good point. He'd be awesome in Martz' system. I was actually rooting for him to be taken by us in the second this year, until he decided to go back to school.

Isn't he gonna be relatively old for a rookie? (24?)

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 12:22 PM
I thought "QB 08" was asking who our starter would be in 2008. I still dont think we'll draft one next year, but things always change.

Addict
03-05-2007, 12:35 PM
I thought "QB 08" was asking who our starter would be in 2008. I still dont think we'll draft one next year, but things always change.

Well... it doens't look like we'll be taking Quinn this year, so unless we take stanton (which would have to be in round two) we'll be needing one next year. You can't seriously think Kitna will be able to lead this offense for two more years, can you?

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 12:54 PM
Well... it doens't look like we'll be taking Quinn this year, so unless we take stanton (which would have to be in round two) we'll be needing one next year. You can't seriously think Kitna will be able to lead this offense for two more years, can you?Nah, not Kitna. But, I honestly think that McCown and Orlovsky will be left to fight for the top spot when Kitna is gone (if Stanton is drafted, he'll be in the competition).

Drafting a QB high in round 1, to me, means a different direction... and I think Marinelli isn't ready to change directions just yet.

Addict
03-05-2007, 12:58 PM
Nah, not Kitna. But, I honestly think that McCown and Orlovsky will be left to fight for the top spot when Kitna is gone (if Stanton is drafted, he'll be in the competition).

Drafting a QB high in round 1, to me, means a different direction... and I think Marinelli isn't ready to change directions just yet.

I don't like McCown. Don't know why. Just don't like him AT ALL.

I'd like them to draft Stanton SO MUCH. Trade with I don't care who and somehow get an extra day two pick. Get Stanton and some corner guy and I'll be a very happy person.

And a friggin' linebacker. We need one who can actually play. I mean do we even have one not named Boss Bailey?

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 02:28 PM
I don't like McCown. Don't know why. Just don't like him AT ALL.

I'd like them to draft Stanton SO MUCH. Trade with I don't care who and somehow get an extra day two pick. Get Stanton and some corner guy and I'll be a very happy person.

And a friggin' linebacker. We need one who can actually play. I mean do we even have one not named Boss Bailey?Willis-Sims would turn things around for that unit.

Which is why I want Willis.

Addict
03-05-2007, 02:32 PM
Willis-Sims would turn things around for that unit.

Which is why I want Willis.

Darn I forgot to mention Sims. <sigh>

Yeah. Willis would be great. On the other hand, we've got a big hole to fill with Bly being gone (not that bly did much good, but... it's still a vacancy)

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 02:33 PM
Any 2nd or 3rd round player that fits the Cover 2 will perform better than Bly did last year...

... and won't complain half as much as Bly does.

Addict
03-05-2007, 02:39 PM
Any 2nd or 3rd round player that fits the Cover 2 will perform better than Bly did last year...

... and won't complain half as much as Bly does.

We could also put a mannquin on a little moving platform and have a guy in the endzone jerk the platform around. That'd be a perfect copy of Bly.

And let me tell you, those mannequins have intangibles you won't believe. Give them no money and they won't even say a word.

keylime_5
03-05-2007, 03:22 PM
If you guys aren't taking Quinn then who the crap are you taking? You guys gonna take Joe Thomas and have 3 starting offensive tackles

Addict
03-05-2007, 03:28 PM
If you guys aren't taking Quinn then who the crap are you taking? You guys gonna take Joe Thomas and have 3 starting offensive tackles

Gaines Adams? Trade down for Willis? There's plenty of guys out there we could really use.

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 03:32 PM
If you guys aren't taking Quinn then who the crap are you taking? You guys gonna take Joe Thomas and have 3 starting offensive tacklesAs Addict said... Gaines Adams (who would fit the Cover 2 perfectly), Patrick Willis (who will dominate and fill a huge need) and even LaRon Landry... a fast, playmaking safety.

There are a lot of options.

We could also put a mannquin on a little moving platform and have a guy in the endzone jerk the platform around. That'd be a perfect copy of Bly.

And let me tell you, those mannequins have intangibles you won't believe. Give them no money and they won't even say a word.Wait... but mannquin's don't mis-read the play and get completely out of position for the majority of the game. What WOULD our defense do?

Addict
03-05-2007, 03:38 PM
Wait... but mannquin's don't mis-read the play and get completely out of position for the majority of the game. What WOULD our defense do?

I don't know. All I know is that they'd do whole lot better in pass defense. Oh but I do know our run defense would suffer. All the linebackers would be too stunned by the pass defenders not messing up and would be unable to make a play.

You do realize that Ford Field would have to cool down significantly for this, otherwise our defensive backs would... melt.

Wow. Fight Club is on tv!
I'm outta here!

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 03:40 PM
I don't know. All I know is that they'd do whole lot better in pass defense. Oh but I do know our run defense would suffer. All the linebackers would be too stunned by the pass defenders not messing up and would be unable to make a play.

You do realize that Ford Field would have to cool down significantly for this, otherwise our defensive backs would... melt.

Wow. Fight Club is on tv!
I'm outta here!Haha... good ****, and great movie.

keylime_5
03-05-2007, 04:58 PM
Trade downs are very hard to do in the top 5 unless you got somebody who really wants a trade and is willing to give up a lot of picks including future first rounders to do it. Assuming Detroit doesn't trade down (I personally don't think they will) who will they take? 2nd overall is definitely too high for Adams and Landry, and Willis probably won't even go in the top 20 based on what the insiders are saying.

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 05:10 PM
Trade downs are very hard to do in the top 5 unless you got somebody who really wants a trade and is willing to give up a lot of picks including future first rounders to do it. Assuming Detroit doesn't trade down (I personally don't think they will) who will they take? 2nd overall is definitely too high for Adams and Landry, and Willis probably won't even go in the top 20 based on what the insiders are saying.You're missing it.

Marinelli doesn't seem to care what the "insiders" say. If he wants a specific player, he'll take that player. #2 is NOT too high for Adams OR Landry... if Marinelli wants them for the team.

He takes who he wants... he doesn't take the popular pick. (See: Sims).

keylime_5
03-05-2007, 07:47 PM
#2 is NOT too high for Adams OR Landry.

I've been following drafts for a long time. I don't think a safety has gone that high in the modern era. Landry would be a reach at 5 or 6 even. Don't be misinformed about Gaines Adams, because even though he might go as high as five he's no where near the elite kind of prospect who will go top 3. Adams would be a drastic reach at #2 and the Lions would get no where near the full value of that pick if they pulled another maneuver like that.

Even Millen won't pass on Quinn, Thomas, or Johnson for Gaines Adams. If you're under the impression that Adams will go #2 overall this year you are gravely mistaken.

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 08:06 PM
I've been following drafts for a long time. I don't think a safety has gone that high in the modern era. Landry would be a reach at 5 or 6 even. Don't be misinformed about Gaines Adams, because even though he might go as high as five he's no where near the elite kind of prospect who will go top 3. Adams would be a drastic reach at #2 and the Lions would get no where near the full value of that pick if they pulled another maneuver like that.

Even Millen won't pass on Quinn, Thomas, or Johnson for Gaines Adams. If you're under the impression that Adams will go #2 overall this year you are gravely mistaken.Incorrect. They do not feel the OLine is that big of an issue, and feel that they've "improved" it with Foster, who can play OG or OT. They will NOT draft a WR in round 1, and, if they choose a QB, they'll choose Stanton in round 2. With Bell on the roster and Duckett visiting, they also wont consider Peterson. Which leaves us with two players that they've focused on:

Patrick Willis or Gaines Adams.

I can also see Marinelli drafting Landry, as our safety position could use an upgrade, but he'd take those two players first.

The Lions WILL not draft a position that they don't feel they "need" because a player is there. They will not do that.

keylime_5
03-05-2007, 08:45 PM
I hate to break it to you but Quinn grades out considerably higher than Adams and Landry both by a lot. Willis is not an option unless Detroit trades down to around 15th overall or so at the highest. If they stay at #2 they will Definitely take either Thomas or Quinn.

Scotty D
03-05-2007, 08:51 PM
My biased pick would be for Dan-O to be starting in 08. He would have been learning the Martz system for two years. My other prediction is that we will sign Marc Bulger.

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 08:55 PM
I hate to break it to you but Quinn grades out considerably higher than Adams and Landry both by a lot. Willis is not an option unless Detroit trades down to around 15th overall or so at the highest. If they stay at #2 they will Definitely take either Thomas or Quinn.They'll take Willis at #8 overall, champ. And, I don't know how many times I have to say it, it doesn't matter how much higher one player "grades" out over another. Leinart "graded" out a LOT higher than Sims, but Marinelli wanted Sims instead.

If the coaches feel that Adams can dominate, they'll take him at #2. If they can trade down, Willis becomes the pick. Do NOT respond with "but Quinn/Peterson/CJ/Thomas are rated as better players..." because the argument doesn't work with Marinelli.

TacticaLion
03-05-2007, 08:55 PM
My biased pick would be for Dan-O to be starting in 08. He would have been learning the Martz system for two years. My other prediction is that we will sign Marc Bulger.Signing Bulger would be... crazy. I think DanO will do it, though (rhymes).

detroit4life
03-05-2007, 10:11 PM
if we plan on taking a QB in the next two years it better be stanton

Go Blue
03-06-2007, 01:45 PM
Slightly homerish, but what do you guys think of Henne?

keylime_5
03-06-2007, 02:18 PM
They'll take Willis at #8 overall, champ. And, I don't know how many times I have to say it, it doesn't matter how much higher one player "grades" out over another. Leinart "graded" out a LOT higher than Sims, but Marinelli wanted Sims instead.

If the coaches feel that Adams can dominate, they'll take him at #2. If they can trade down, Willis becomes the pick. Do NOT respond with "but Quinn/Peterson/CJ/Thomas are rated as better players..." because the argument doesn't work with Marinelli.


Adams isn't that good of a fit at LDE even in a tampa 2, and would be a big reach at 2 like I've said a million times. Sims was no reach, he was considered a top 10 guy for a while - Leinart was falling and not considered by most to be a franchise QB type of player because of his weak arm and the fact that he was never pressured in college. Quinn is a liiiiiiiittle better of a pro prospect than Leinart.

And I don't know what you've been hearing but Willis is more likely to go in the second round than the top 10. He will probably go between picks 17 and 32 like he should

Pocket
03-06-2007, 02:25 PM
Slightly homerish, but what do you guys think of Henne?


Until we can get some people that can block, I don't want Henne. He, IMO, is over-rated to hell.

Addict
03-06-2007, 03:57 PM
Slightly homerish, but what do you guys think of Henne?

I'm not sold on him. But if things go our way this year, he might just be the mid-first rounder we end up drafting (that is, IF we don't take stanton this year)

detroit4life
03-06-2007, 05:04 PM
no henne much rather would have stanton this year

TacticaLion
03-06-2007, 05:34 PM
no henne much rather would have stanton this year

Agree...

(Then some other characters to fill the requirement.)

Go Blue
03-06-2007, 05:45 PM
I would like to get Stanton in the 3rd this year, but if we don't I was thinknig maybe Henne next year. With another year under his belt in a system like Michigan's I think he would be a great NFL quaterback.

keylime_5
03-06-2007, 07:17 PM
The Lions board is weird -it's like Bizarro Browns board. On our board we are all about Ohio State players, on here you guys are all about Michigan and MSU players. :) I'm just not used to reading about a bunch of people loving on UM and MSU.

TacticaLion
03-06-2007, 07:30 PM
The Lions board is weird -it's like Bizarro Browns board. On our board we are all about Ohio State players, on here you guys are all about Michigan and MSU players. :) I'm just not used to reading about a bunch of people loving on UM and MSU.All of this talk about Stanton (and Bazuin) isn't because the fans here necessarily love these players... it's from reports that Millen/Marinelli/Martz love these players.

It might just be me, but I rarely hear these fans talk, excessively, about Branch, Hall, Woodley... or the other Michigan players (the only name that flies around here is Harris, who had a great combine and could be a great 2nd/3rd round MLB).

I don't think its just homerism... they're reasonable picks due to reports from the coaches.

Addict
03-07-2007, 03:17 AM
All of this talk about Stanton (and Bazuin) isn't because the fans here necessarily love these players... it's from reports that Millen/Marinelli/Martz love these players.

It might just be me, but I rarely hear these fans talk, excessively, about Branch, Hall, Woodley... or the other Michigan players (the only name that flies around here is Harris, who had a great combine and could be a great 2nd/3rd round MLB).

I don't think its just homerism... they're reasonable picks due to reports from the coaches.

I don't think I've ever heard Branch's name fall on this board.

Stanton would be great, but I wouldn't mind a QB in '08, let's hope Brohm has a decent, yet unspectacular year. Brian leading Lions... that'd be amazing.

ThEvIcTR
03-07-2007, 01:37 PM
If we don't get stanton this year, I think we should pick up Colt Brennan next year. He would fit Martz's offense, and to people saying he is a system QB i don't think so because he can make all the throws and has great mechanics.