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slightlyaraiderfan
02-05-2009, 11:45 AM
Funny stuff.

"I'm gonna turn Florida in right here in front of you," Kiffin told the crowd at the Knoxville Convention Center. "While Nu'Keese was on campus, his phone kept ringing. One of the coaches says, 'who's that?' And he said, Urban Meyer."

"I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn't get him," Kiffin said.


Link (http://www.volunteertv.com/sports/headlines/39140432.html)

P-L
02-05-2009, 11:46 AM
I'm sure this isn't the biggest recruiting violation Urban pulled this year. Funny thing is, I'm not so sure Kiffin was squeaky clean himself...

CroomDawgs
02-05-2009, 12:18 PM
Kiffin has already been blasted by Spurrier. He's becoming the most hated Coach in the SEC

djp
02-05-2009, 12:24 PM
LOL, everyone hates Lane Kiffin already

Hollywood
02-05-2009, 12:37 PM
Awesome. +1000 for Lane Kiffin who just became my third favorite head coach in college football (Behind Shannon and Zook).

captainjack27
02-05-2009, 12:44 PM
Both are scum. Meyer is a dirtbag and Kiffin is a tool.

WarrickNole
02-05-2009, 01:33 PM
lol@kiffin...awesome. It's true though, meyer is scum...but i guess his do whatever it takes to win attitude is what makes him so good?

Don Vito
02-05-2009, 01:35 PM
Kiffin and Dan Mullen have been taking some shots at other teams and I would not consider that a wise thing for a first year SEC coach to do, especially when they are each inheriting recently struggling programs.

BRAVEHEART
02-05-2009, 01:36 PM
Go kiff, stick to CUM.

tjsunstein
02-05-2009, 01:39 PM
Kiffin better live up to the recruiting bill the next few years or he'll be the one being joked about.

Don Vito
02-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Kiffin better live up to the recruiting bill the next few years or he'll be the one being joked about.

Exactly. Recruiting is not the end all be all beleive it or not, he is in for a rude awakening next season if he doesn't tone down the cockiness and sense of entitlement.

BRAVEHEART
02-05-2009, 01:58 PM
Exactly. Recruiting is not the end all be all beleive it or not, he is in for a rude awakening next season if he doesn't tone down the cockiness and sense of entitlement.

I like it, (IMO) for right now he's slowly taking off the loser label off of Tenn, and makes them seem like...USC, or something. I think this will help the team, and gives them (what do the young people say today....) a kind of "swagger". Tenn has talent, but they weren't coaching it up and probably gave up after the first loss. Of course everything will be dictated during/after the games, but for right now, I like it, and I see nothing wrong with it.

Right now Kiff is my favorite coach in the SEC (just like coach O, for obvious reasons) . I used to root for Miss (coach O) and MissSt (Croom, I just like the guy), but they dont have the coaches that liked anymore.

Don Vito
02-05-2009, 02:02 PM
for right now he's slowly taking off the loser label off of Tenn

It takes a lot more than recruiting and **** talking to take a loser label off of a team, though. Ole Miss went through much worse times than UT has before we got Nutt, and when Nutt came he wasn't taking jabs at other teams he only worried about his own. We had a very good season last year and we may not be looked at among the likes of Florida and Bama as the kings of the SEC, but we have lost the loser label we had prior to last year. The only thing Kiffin is doing by saying things like that is painting a bullseye on his own head and the head of his team for when actual football is played in the fall.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 02:05 PM
After getting called out by Steve Spurrier, I'm glad Kiffin is showing a backbone. It's never a good idea to give another team bulletin board material, but I'll admit it's a breath of fresh air.

It's actually kinda smart, media wise. After the Georgia over-celebration two seasons ago, that was all that was on ESPN, FSN, etc. for the entire week prior to their rematch this past season. Kiffin's comments and other coaches' comments on Kiffin are getting the Vols in the headlines. As long as he doesn't do anything overly reckless, I'm fine with it.

BRAVEHEART
02-05-2009, 02:24 PM
Negative exposure is better than no exposure.

sbh15
02-05-2009, 02:55 PM
If you can't beat 'em, accuse them of violations

TexasKing007
02-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Kiffin better live up to the recruiting bill the next few years or he'll be the one being joked about.

His daddy should help him in that area...

sbh15
02-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Haha, Kiffin is a failure.

Lane Kiffin apparently owes Urban Meyer an apology. And the new Tennessee coach needs to read the NCAA rule book.

On Thursday morning at a breakfast function in Knoxville, Kiffin accused Meyer of an NCAA violation for calling Pahokee wide receiver Nu'Keese Richardson while Richardson was on his official visit to UT this past weekend. Richardson signed with the Vols on Wednesday.

"Just so you know, when a recruit is on another campus, you can't call him," Kiffin said. "I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn't get him."

Kiffin's accusation is false, because there is no NCAA rule that prohibits a coach from calling a prospect while he's visiting another school during a contact period. This past weekend was a contact period.

"There is no rule that would prohibit Coach Meyer from calling a prospect at Tennessee on a Friday or Saturday during an official visit during a contact period," said Jamie McCloskey, UF's NCAA compliance director. "There's never been a rule. I've been doing this for a long time. Not only has there never been a rule, there's never been a discussion about having a rule.

"Unfortunately, you have someone accusing our coach of doing something improper, which is grossly unfair to him, to the program and the institution. Urban prides himself in doing things the right way. It's unfair. If a coach has a conflict with another coach in this league, this is not the way you handle it. It's not doing it out in the media, especially when we've done nothing wrong."

UF released the following statement from athletic director Jeremy Foley: "There was no rule violation and we have confirmed this with the Southeastern Conference. It is obvious that Coach Kiffin doesn’t know that there is not a rule precluding phone contact with a prospect during an official visit on another campus during a contact period. His allegations are inappropriate, out of line and, most importantly, totally false. It is completely unfair to Urban Meyer, our coaching staff, our football program and our institution. The appropriate action at this time in my opinion is for Coach Kiffin to make a public apology.

His comments not only slandered our coach, but he violated SEC rules by publicly criticizing another coach and institution."

Link (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090205/ARTICLES/902050920/1136?Title=Florida_reacts_angrily_to_Kiffin_s__fal se__accusation)

So, over/under on how many points are we expecting Urb to drop on UT this season?

Don Vito
02-05-2009, 03:09 PM
So, over/under on how many points are we expecting Urb to drop on UT this season?

You guys have beaten the piss out of them the last four years or so, with everyone you are returning I wouldn't expect this year to be different. Now you have a little more motivation too. I really have no problem with the Vols, I like a lot of their players and I love the tradition and passion at UT, but Kiffin is really rubbing people the wrong way and I think he is in for a rude awakening when fall rolls around.

sbh15
02-05-2009, 03:11 PM
You guys have beaten the piss out of them the last four years or so, with everyone you are returning I wouldn't expect this year to be different. Now you have a little more motivation too. I really have no problem with the Vols, I like a lot of their players and I love the tradition and passion at UT, but Kiffin is really rubbing people the wrong way and I think he is in for a rude awakening when fall rolls around.

Yeah, but I'm expecting Urban to severely run up the score after this one...

The Georgia game was something Richt suggested, but his players executed.

Kiffin started this, and Urban's going to get him back, we all know that.

The plot thickens: With this not being a violation, Kiffin has violated SEC rules by publicly criticizing another coach.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 05:01 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3886703

"At an energetic breakfast with some of our donors and alumni I made a statement that was solely meant to excite the crowd," Kiffin said in a statement.

"If I offended anyone at the University of Florida, including Mr. Foley and Urban Meyer, I sincerely apologize. That was not my intention."

I didn't know he did this in a booster breakfast, lol. I was hoping he did it during the NSD presser. Oh well...

sbh15
02-05-2009, 05:03 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3886703



I didn't know he did this in a booster breakfast, lol. I was hoping he did it during the NSD presser. Oh well...

I'm wondering how Nu'Keese feels about this, he doesn't seem like a kid who would want the coach he just left to get bashed by his new coach. Oh well, this is just Lane showing his true colors. Especially that half-assed apology.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 05:19 PM
Showing his true colors? Hah, be for real sbh. He made a joke to pump up the boosters and alumni in the crowd. Just like the, "I can't wait to sing Rocky Top all night after beating Florida next season," qwip he gave during his introduction presser.

This wasn't a press conference for the media where Kiffin came out and said, "OMG! Urban is teh cheaterz!" It was an on campus speech at university breakfast where the local was allow to cover since it was the new coach giving a speech after NSD. He used it as a way to compliment and garner praise for Eddie Gran, a Vols coach, by saying Gran landed Nuke even while Urban was calling him repeatedly on his visit in Knoxville.

Either way, BRAVEHEART is right, publicity is publicity. This has been all over ESPN today, and the more Kiffin gives the talking heads little bits to spew at their national audience, the better. Kiffin and Tennessee has nothing to lose. We likely lose to Florida this fall, and if Urban wants to run up the score, it only proves again that he's not the classiest guy in the world either. If Tennessee forces a close game or possibly even pulls out a victory, then he's backed up his fightin' words.

Either way, I love Kiffin. <3

sbh15
02-05-2009, 05:22 PM
Showing his true colors? Hah, be for real sbh. He made a joke to pump up the boosters and alumni in the crowd. Just like the, "I can't wait to sing Rocky Top all night after beating Florida next season," qwip he gave during his introduction presser.

This wasn't a press conference for the media where Kiffin came out and said, "OMG! Urban is teh cheaterz!" It was an on campus speech at university breakfast where the local was allow to cover since it was the new coach giving a speech after NSD. He used it as a way to compliment and garner praise for Eddie Gran, a Vols coach, by saying Gran landed Nuke even while Urban was calling him repeatedly on his visit in Knoxville.

Either way, BRAVEHEART is right, publicity is publicity. This has been all over ESPN today, and the more Kiffin gives the talking heads little bits to spew at their national audience, the better. Kiffin and Tennessee has nothing to lose. We likely lose to Florida this fall, and if Urban wants to run up the score, it only proves again that he's not the classiest guy in the world either. If Tennessee forces a close game or possibly even pulls out a victory, then he's backed up his fightin' words.

Well don't say Urban is classless after what Kiffin did today, Lane is asking for it.

I don't really care that it's a joke, he lied and tried to slander Urban... I have no problem with him thinking they'll beat us this year, but don't make up lies, c'mon now.

Anyway, Urban will settle this on the field next year. And the next year. And the next year, and the next year, and so on. I have a feeling Urban is going to do to Lane Kiffin what, as much as I hate to say it, Bruce Pearl has done to Billy Donovan (dominate him head to head).

murdamal86
02-05-2009, 05:26 PM
I'm wondering how Nu'Keese feels about this, he doesn't seem like a kid who would want the coach he just left to get bashed by his new coach. Oh well, this is just Lane showing his true colors. Especially that half-assed apology.

5'10 150-160 lbs wr's who can run fast are a dime a dozen. screw Nu'Keese, Janoris will blanket him

SchizophrenicBatman
02-05-2009, 05:26 PM
I go to college at NC State and we got a corner from Pahokee that Kiffin was also trying to pull in. The word coming out from those close to the situation is that Lane told Nu'Keese (wtf kind of name is that) to keep his visit to UT on the down low. So even if calling was a violation, it's not like Meyer would have known this kid was on campus if Kiffin had his way

JoeyJr09
02-05-2009, 05:30 PM
Really who cares?

Both are scumbags.

Both have made tons are violations and neither will get punished for them. Simple as that.

Please don't tell me you guys really think Kiffin went about stealing Richardson and Teague from the Gators and Janzen from LSU the legal way.

Big booster money followed Kiffin to Tennesse and it got his father paid, got him Orgeron and is being thrown at recruits.

I find it funny that he is calling CUM out for violations even if he is right.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 05:45 PM
Well don't say Urban is classless after what Kiffin did today, Lane is asking for it.

I don't really care that it's a joke, he lied and tried to slander Urban... I have no problem with him thinking they'll beat us this year, but don't make up lies, c'mon now.

Anyway, Urban will settle this on the field next year. And the next year. And the next year, and the next year, and so on. I have a feeling Urban is going to do to Lane Kiffin what, as much as I hate to say it, Bruce Pearl has done to Billy Donovan (dominate him head to head).

I didn't say he was classless. Just saying that if he goes out and deliberately runs up the score, it'll only appease Florida fans while everyone sees that he's not the type who takes the high road.

He didn't lie - he was just wrong about the severity of the act. Urban was calling him while on an official visit to Tennessee. Thats lame, and I bet Kiffin and the other Vols coaches were mad. It may not have been cheating, but it was still cheap. Cheap is allowed though. Just ask Nick Saban after forbidding recruits to take official visits to other schools after giving verbals to Bama.

Ya'll probably beat us this year. But because of this, TN/FL will be the most talked about game entering that weekend. If ya'll blow us out, then the story will be Urban getting his vengeance. If TN pulls the upset, its the start of a bitter rivalry. Either way, its attention for both schools and for the SEC.

I have a feeling this is Meyer's last season in the swamp, which is bitter sweet. After Notre Dame implodes this season, Meyer will replace Charlie Weiss as golden boy Tebow graduates. If Meyer stays, then the games will just get better and better as the Vols bring in QB's that can actually play football... -_-"

CashmoneyDrew
02-05-2009, 05:47 PM
If Meyer stays, then the games will just get better and better as the Vols bring in QB's that can actually play football... -_-"

Crompton and Stephens FTL!

sbh15
02-05-2009, 05:48 PM
He didn't lie - he was just wrong about the severity of the act. Urban was calling him while on an official visit to Tennessee. Thats lame, and I bet Kiffin and the other Vols coaches were mad. It may not have been cheating, but it was still cheap. Cheap is allowed though. Just ask Nick Saban after forbidding recruits to take official visits to other schools after giving verbals to Bama.

He said Urban cheated. That was a lie. There's no law prohibiting contact during an open period, regardless of where the recruit is. Kiffin can feel free to hype up his team in front of boosters all he wants, just don't lie about it.

I have a feeling this is Meyer's last season in the swamp, which is bitter sweet. After Notre Dame implodes this season, Meyer will replace Charlie Weiss as golden boy Tebow graduates. If Meyer stays, then the games will just get better and better as the Vols bring in QB's that can actually play football... -_-"

Urban has said he won't consider it until all of his kids have left home, I believe his youngest is 13 or so. His big thing is not having to go too far for talent.

Yeah, above.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 05:53 PM
Big booster money followed Kiffin to Tennesse and it got his father paid, got him Orgeron and is being thrown at recruits.

You really gonna pull the paying recruits card, Joey? Seriously?

Really pathetic if you do. I only see that from homers who can't believe a player would dare choose another school over their fav school, so they resort to blaming the other school for paying the recruit in order to make themselves feel better.

Cause it could never be because a recruit like Janzen Jackson wants to be a coach someday, and thought that the opportunity to play under Monte Kiffin would greatly benefit him? Or that a player like Marsalis Teague, who's from the state of TN and was greatly interested in them until he gave his verbal to Florida, would dare decide to go to Tennessee where he'll get quicker playing time at slot WR over a talent laden Florida team?

Nope, its obvious that illegal gifts and money were the reason for it. Brilliant.

murdamal86
02-05-2009, 05:56 PM
I didn't say he was classless. Just saying that if he goes out and deliberately runs up the score, it'll only appease Florida fans while everyone sees that he's not the type who takes the high road.

He didn't lie - he was just wrong about the severity of the act. Urban was calling him while on an official visit to Tennessee. Thats lame, and I bet Kiffin and the other Vols coaches were mad. It may not have been cheating, but it was still cheap. Cheap is allowed though. Just ask Nick Saban after forbidding recruits to take official visits to other schools after giving verbals to Bama.

Ya'll probably beat us this year. But because of this, TN/FL will be the most talked about game entering that weekend. If ya'll blow us out, then the story will be Urban getting his vengeance. If TN pulls the upset, its the start of a bitter rivalry. Either way, its attention for both schools and for the SEC.

I have a feeling this is Meyer's last season in the swamp, which is bitter sweet. After Notre Dame implodes this season, Meyer will replace Charlie Weiss as golden boy Tebow graduates. If Meyer stays, then the games will just get better and better as the Vols bring in QB's that can actually play football... -_-"

Why are you trying to make out Urban to be such a bad guy like Kiffin is just a saint in all of this?

JoeyJr09
02-05-2009, 06:01 PM
You really gonna pull the paying recruits card, Joey? Seriously?

Really pathetic if you do. I only see that from homers who can't believe a player would dare choose another school over their fav school, so they resort to blaming the other school for paying the recruit in order to make themselves feel better.

Cause it could never be because a recruit like Janzen Jackson wants to be a coach someday, and thought that the opportunity to play under Monte Kiffin would greatly benefit him? Or that a player like Marsalis Teague, who's from the state of TN and was greatly interested in them until he gave his verbal to Florida, would dare decide to go to Tennessee where he'll get quicker playing time at slot WR over a talent laden Florida team?

Nope, its obvious that illegal gifts and money were the reason for it. Brilliant.

You do realize I am completely outside this situation?

Didnt affect Miami or any kids we were after in any way.

In fact, it hurt UF I loved seeing as they are our rivals.

But your are 100% naive if you don't think booster money given out to these kids had anything to do with it.

New coaches struggle to hold on to current commits when they take over a job and just try to fill spots and find players that fit them.

Not Kiffin, he comes in, kicks people out of his class and lands some of the best recruits in the nation. Sorry but you are extremely naive if you think kids wanna go to Tennessee that bad that they are dropping out of the last 2 NC winners during the last week of the process in order to sign in with a program that just had to change HC and is coming off a what 3 win season?

Get real dude. Money certainly played a role. Me bringing it up isn't pathetic. You being naive enough to think it didnt happen is pathetic.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 06:03 PM
He said Urban cheated. That was a lie. There's no law prohibiting contact during an open period, regardless of where the recruit is. Kiffin can feel free to hype up his team in front of boosters all he wants, just don't lie about it.

It's only a lie if he actually knew it wasn't a recruiting violation and decided to say Urban cheated anyway. We don't know if he knew or not - if he just made a mistake or is working the media.

Urban has said he won't consider it until all of his kids have left home, I believe his youngest is 13 or so. His big thing is not having to go too far for talent.

He's also said that being the HC at Notre Dame is his dream job. I'm not saying he's not a man of his word, but because other coaches like Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino have said they were staying with their team and then bolted as soon as an opportunity arose, no one can say for sure. Common sense tells me he'll jet if Charlie Weiss is fired. It's his dream job. He has to deny speculation of him wanting to go there in order to keep the Gator fanbase happy. His two time Heismann winning QB will be leaving. And Notre Dame is still a school that can recruit nationally.

murdamal86
02-05-2009, 06:11 PM
It's only a lie if he actually knew it wasn't a recruiting violation and decided to say Urban cheated anyway. We don't know if he knew or not - if he just made a mistake or is working the media.



He's also said that being the HC at Notre Dame is his dream job. I'm not saying he's not a man of his word, but because other coaches like Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino have said they were staying with their team and then bolted as soon as an opportunity arose, no one can say for sure. Common sense tells me he'll jet if Charlie Weiss is fired. It's his dream job. He has to deny speculation of him wanting to go there in order to keep the Gator fanbase happy. His two time Heismann winning QB will be leaving. And Notre Dame is still a school that can recruit nationally.

Dude Bobby Bowden said that Bama was his dream job but he never took it

JoeyJr09
02-05-2009, 06:14 PM
Dude Bobby Bowden said that Bama was his dream job but he never took it

Urban Meyer is NOT Bobby Bowden.

Bowden is a top 2 all time coach and for all his faults is a good guy.

Plus, everyone knew when Urb took the UF job that he was using it as a stepping stone to ND or the NFL when he got the chance.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 06:15 PM
Why are you trying to make out Urban to be such a bad guy like Kiffin is just a saint in all of this?

I'm not saying Kiffin is a saint or even that Urban is a bad guy. I'm saying I like Kiffin being a bit of a prick.

You do realize I am completely outside this situation?

Didnt affect Miami or any kids we were after in any way.

In fact, it hurt UF I loved seeing as they are our rivals.

What relevance does the team you root for have in this? You came in here, called both Meyer and Kiffin scumbags, and then said Tennessee pays for recruits. I didn't call you a homer. I said thats something I see homers do when they have sour grapes, hence it being a lame argument - period. I wasn't describing you as a homer. I was describing your argument as baseless.

Get real dude. Money certainly played a role. Me bringing it up isn't pathetic. You being naive enough to think it didnt happen is pathetic.

Riiiiiiight. Yet, if I were to come out and say Miami pays money to recruits too, I'd be wrong wouldn't I?

JoeyJr09
02-05-2009, 06:18 PM
I'm not saying Kiffin is a saint or even that Urban is a bad guy. I'm saying I like Kiffin being a bit of a prick.



What relevance does the team you root for have in this? You came in here, called both Meyer and Kiffin scumbags, and then said Tennessee pays for recruits. I didn't call you a homer. I said thats something I see homers do when they have sour grapes, hence it being a lame argument - period. I wasn't describing you as a homer. I was describing your argument as baseless.



Riiiiiiight. Yet, if I were to come out and say Miami pays money to recruits too, I'd be wrong wouldn't I?

You dont know me very well.

I say all the time we pay people. Look at the shady relationship we have with Bryce and Arthurs "Advisor". You think we aren't giving him stuff under the table in exchange for Bryce and Arthur?

Miami basically wrote the book on paying for recruits in the 80's.

Difference is I'm not naive to that. You are too blind to see it.

It's not rocket science man. Look at the situation and how everything went down.

murdamal86
02-05-2009, 06:28 PM
Urban Meyer is NOT Bobby Bowden.

Bowden is a top 2 all time coach and for all his faults is a good guy.

Plus, everyone knew when Urb took the UF job that he was using it as a stepping stone to ND or the NFL when he got the chance.

when the Bama job came open, Bobby Bowden had not became "Bobby Bowden". The point i was trying to make is that even if a job is someone's dream job, doesn't guarantee that they will take it once it becomes open. i'm not even saying that Urban WON'T go to ND because i think he will, it's just not that much of a fore gone conclusion as some people think.

And how the heck is Bobby a good guy?

JoeyJr09
02-05-2009, 06:37 PM
when the Bama job came open, Bobby Bowden had not became "Bobby Bowden". The point i was trying to make is that even if a job is someone's dream job, doesn't guarantee that they will take it once it becomes open. i'm not even saying that Urban WON'T go to ND because i think he will, it's just not that much of a fore gone conclusion as some people think.

And how the heck is Bobby a good guy?

Bobby is not a bad guy. He has faults for sure but he's not a total POS like Meyer.

And like I said Bobby isn't the Meyer. Meyer is a guy that is never content. He's always looking for the next step. He's a milder Larry Brown.

Bobby was fine staying at FSU.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 06:43 PM
You dont know me very well.

I say all the time we pay people. Look at the shady relationship we have with Bryce and Arthurs "Advisor". You think we aren't giving him stuff under the table in exchange for Bryce and Arthur?

Miami basically wrote the book on paying for recruits in the 80's.

Difference is I'm not naive to that. You are too blind to see it.

It's not rocket science man. Look at the situation and how everything went down.

Am I naive or are you just cynical? You give no proof whatsoever, just speculation, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume you're not familiar with the recruitment of either Jackson, Richardson, or Teague.

Why didn't other recruits that left Tennessee in favor of other schools stay if Tennessee is paying better than other universities?

murdamal86
02-05-2009, 06:44 PM
Bobby is not a bad guy. He has faults for sure but he's not a total POS like Meyer.

And like I said Bobby isn't the Meyer. Meyer is a guy that is never content. He's always looking for the next step. He's a milder Larry Brown.

Bobby was fine staying at FSU.

and how is Meyer a POS?

sbh15
02-05-2009, 06:47 PM
Urban Meyer is NOT Bobby Bowden.

Bowden is a top 2 all time coach and for all his faults is a good guy.

Plus, everyone knew when Urb took the UF job that he was using it as a stepping stone to ND or the NFL when he got the chance.

You don't think Meyer could get the Notre Dame job if he wanted it right now? If he called up the AD there before they decided to stick with Weis, they would have bought out that contract in an instant. Urban ain't going anywhere until his youngest graduates. At that point, I think he bolts.

He's never getting an NFL job with his offense, however.

JoeyJr09
02-05-2009, 06:55 PM
ND isn't eating Weis contact to get Meyer. Guess you miss those reports on ESPN where ND flat out said we are not gonna eating Weis contract. Hence why he's still around.

Titan, seriously? Your asking me to prove that people were paid? Really? Come on now. Now your just asking questions that you know very well can't be answered. Grasping at straws. Of course I have no proof. But I have common sense and I am not naive to how the world and big business works. College football is one of the biggest businesses youll find. BTW...Tennesse didn't lose anyone that Kiffin didnt ok. Your biggest loss was Boyd and he was let go.

Murda,

Do I really have to explain the reasons Meyer is a POS. Hes a good coach. POS person. You know that.

sbh15
02-05-2009, 06:58 PM
ND isn't eating Weis contact to get Meyer. Guess you miss those reports on ESPN where ND flat out said we are not gonna eating Weis contract. Hence why he's still around.

Yeah, but it took them a while to do it. I'm saying that if Urb said "I want that job" BEFORE they made the decision to keep Weis, they would have run his fat ass out of there in a second. How do you figure Urban really needs Florida as a stepping stone for ND? He was offered that job the year he took the Florida job. I've told everyone countless times, it's all about his family. He wants talent in his backyard so he doesn't have to fly all over the place on recruiting trips. Once his kids are in college, that won't be a problem. He's just trying to stay around his family as much as possible.

CashmoneyDrew
02-05-2009, 07:17 PM
BTW...Tennesse didn't lose anyone that Kiffin didnt ok. Your biggest loss was Boyd and he was let go.


Jeron Stokes, David Oku, Jarvis Giles and Aubrey Phillips come to mind.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 07:37 PM
Titan, seriously? Your asking me to prove that people were paid? Really? Come on now. Now your just asking questions that you know very well can't be answered. Grasping at straws. Of course I have no proof. But I have common sense and I am not naive to how the world and big business works. College football is one of the biggest businesses youll find. BTW...Tennesse didn't lose anyone that Kiffin didnt ok. Your biggest loss was Boyd and he was let go.

Stop insinuating that I don't have common sense, am naive, or any other knock on my awareness. Trust me when I say that I'm quite competant in those areas.

You need to see that I'm not refuting that paying recruits is practiced by many universities, even Tennessee. I am refuting the argument you're using.

You can't say Tennessee paid those recruits because not only are there no bounds as to which that can be proven, but it is also implies that they paid other recruits. It's hard for me to believe they paid every recruit, but realistically they could have paid some recruits, but there's no way to know which ones they paid for. There's a chance that when Nuke Richardson was heavily considering the Vols, so Kiffin paid Nuke's friend and future UF roommate Marsalis Teague to come to Tennessee, there by persuading Richardson to change his commitment to Tennessee.

It is a flawed argument. Even if it makes complete sense, it is still flawed. I'm not being naive. I'm being logical. There's no way to argue that a school paid for recruits unless there's some factual evidence. Having common sense or an understanding of how big business works is irrelevant. There's a difference in saying that there are tons of people out there who work as "advisors," or another form of pseudo-agent, and try to pimp these kids to schools, and then receive compensation from a coach by pushing a kid in the direction of that coach's school. Things like this can range from a personal trainer or coach who not only trains the player but schedules visits and is the player's correspondant for coaches and schools, to schools offering a player's girlfriend or family member a scholarship to the university. I don't think it's as widely practiced as you make it out to be, or even as regularly practiced, but it does exist.

But, it's existence is not enough foundation to base your accusation off of. There's no way to say it happened. There's no way to say it didn't happen. But, by default, it is assumed that it didn't happen until it is proven otherwise.

Hawk
02-05-2009, 08:53 PM
It will affect Miami when Bryce Brown chooses to come to UT over the U. Official visit on Feb 13.

BRAVEHEART
02-05-2009, 09:06 PM
It will affect Miami when Bryce Brown chooses to come to UT over the U. Official visit on Feb 13.

That'd be dope, but too bad cuz BB coming to USC.:p


I dont know where he's going anymore, recruits like him are a little ridiculous.

sbh15
02-05-2009, 09:13 PM
Apparently, on his visit, Kiffin took Nu'Keese's cell phone, pretended to be him and texted Nuke's coach saying that he made his decision to go to UT so he could get the coach off Nu'keese's back, and the coach is extremely pissed with Tennessee in general.

BRAVEHEART
02-05-2009, 09:25 PM
Apparently, on his visit, Kiffin took Nu'Keese's cell phone, pretended to be him and texted Nuke's coach saying that he made his decision to go to UT so he could get the coach off Nu'keese's back, and the coach is extremely pissed with Tennessee in general.

First that sounds a lil far fetched, second he should be mad a Keese, I doubt Kiff overpowerd him and texted the coach by himself. There had to be some help from Keese himself.

sbh15
02-05-2009, 09:35 PM
First that sounds a lil far fetched, second he should be mad a Keese, I doubt Kiff overpowerd him and texted the coach by himself. There had to be some help from Keese himself.

Nukeese probably just left it on a table or something and Kiffin picked it up - this came from the coach.

The article said Nukeese thought Kiffin was just joking or something, I don't exactly remember.

BRAVEHEART
02-05-2009, 09:36 PM
Nukeese probably just left it on a table or something and Kiffin picked it up - this came from the coach.

The article said Nukeese thought Kiffin was just joking or something, I don't exactly remember.

Sorry, that sounds "too much", probably isn't too far from the truth, but I couldn't even picture Urban doing that.

sbh15
02-05-2009, 09:41 PM
Sorry, that sounds "too much", probably isn't too far from the truth, but I couldn't even picture Urban doing that.

I'll try to find you the article tomorrow, I don't much believe any coach would just take a kid's phone and **** with his coach like that either though, especially not a coach who didn't even have a solid commitment from the kid at the time.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 09:44 PM
First that sounds a lil far fetched, second he should be mad a Keese, I doubt Kiff overpowerd him and texted the coach by himself. There had to be some help from Keese himself.

Here's a link. (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/insidepreps/entries/2009/02/05/kiffin_pretende.html)

It was during the TN/FL basketball game. Nuke got a text from his coach asking how his trip was going, and Kiffin saw him reading it. Kiffin asked if he could reply, and Nuke gave him permission. The text read, “Yes. I love it. My decision is made.” It's not a violation, and Nuke's HS coach even stated that it was a joke.

The writer that wrote the article I saw (the one I linked to) just has a case of sour grapes over Kiffin's comments on Urban Meyer calling Nuke during his visit to UT. It's a ridiculous non-story. The writer just wanted to make an attempt to knock Kiffin.

JoeyJr09
02-05-2009, 09:48 PM
Stop insinuating that I don't have common sense, am naive, or any other knock on my awareness. Trust me when I say that I'm quite competant in those areas.

You need to see that I'm not refuting that paying recruits is practiced by many universities, even Tennessee. I am refuting the argument you're using.

You can't say Tennessee paid those recruits because not only are there no bounds as to which that can be proven, but it is also implies that they paid other recruits. It's hard for me to believe they paid every recruit, but realistically they could have paid some recruits, but there's no way to know which ones they paid for. There's a chance that when Nuke Richardson was heavily considering the Vols, so Kiffin paid Nuke's friend and future UF roommate Marsalis Teague to come to Tennessee, there by persuading Richardson to change his commitment to Tennessee.

It is a flawed argument. Even if it makes complete sense, it is still flawed. I'm not being naive. I'm being logical. There's no way to argue that a school paid for recruits unless there's some factual evidence. Having common sense or an understanding of how big business works is irrelevant. There's a difference in saying that there are tons of people out there who work as "advisors," or another form of pseudo-agent, and try to pimp these kids to schools, and then receive compensation from a coach by pushing a kid in the direction of that coach's school. Things like this can range from a personal trainer or coach who not only trains the player but schedules visits and is the player's correspondant for coaches and schools, to schools offering a player's girlfriend or family member a scholarship to the university. I don't think it's as widely practiced as you make it out to be, or even as regularly practiced, but it does exist.

But, it's existence is not enough foundation to base your accusation off of. There's no way to say it happened. There's no way to say it didn't happen. But, by default, it is assumed that it didn't happen until it is proven otherwise.

I understand what your saying.

I just don't agree with you.

Just because they didn't have evidence against OJ Simpson doesn't mean he didn't commit the murder.

With as much as paying recruits goes on, I think the approach of "they didn't catch him so it didn't happen" to be rather ignorant.

And remember Nukeese is from my area. Literally as soon as you started after him the rumors started. Please tell me, what reason does a Miami have to start a fake rumor about a kid we aren't even after. Not to mention the people that started it have pretty legit connections.

Look there's no way to prove it. None. Never will be. Reggie Bush's case was out in the open and nothing happned despite the evidence. The NCAA sweep it all under the rug so we will never hear about the specific cases. But it happens alot more then people like to acknowledge and as on outsider, I'm telling you that what went on with the coaching staff change and there after makes you raise an eyebrow.

BRAVEHEART
02-05-2009, 09:56 PM
Here's a link. (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/insidepreps/entries/2009/02/05/kiffin_pretende.html)

It was during the TN/FL basketball game. Nuke got a text from his coach asking how his trip was going, and Kiffin saw him reading it. Kiffin asked if he could reply, and Nuke gave him permission. The text read, “Yes. I love it. My decision is made.” It's not a violation, and Nuke's HS coach even stated that it was a joke.

The writer that wrote the article I saw (the one I linked to) just has a case of sour grapes over Kiffin's comments on Urban Meyer calling Nuke during his visit to UT. It's a ridiculous non-story. The writer just wanted to make an attempt to knock Kiffin.


Ok, that makes more sense.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 10:06 PM
I understand what your saying.

I just don't agree with you.

Just because they didn't have evidence against OJ Simpson doesn't mean he didn't commit the murder.

With as much as paying recruits goes on, I think the approach of "they didn't catch him so it didn't happen" to be rather ignorant.

And remember Nukeese is from my area. Literally as soon as you started after him the rumors started. Please tell me, what reason does a Miami have to start a fake rumor about a kid we aren't even after. Not to mention the people that started it have pretty legit connections.

Look there's no way to prove it. None. Never will be. Reggie Bush's case was out in the open and nothing happned despite the evidence. The NCAA sweep it all under the rug so we will never hear about the specific cases. But it happens alot more then people like to acknowledge and as on outsider, I'm telling you that what went on with the coaching staff change and there after makes you raise an eyebrow.

What rumors? Are we talking about sports writers, or something like posters on other message boards? Can you provide a link?

I just don't see how Kiffin giving Nu'Keese money is the most likely reason. Florida has 5 receivers who were freshman last season, which means more competition and less chance of playing time. His high school coach has even said that he heard Gators coaches have told multiple WR recruits that they'll "be the next Percy Harvin," which was one of the most appealing things that Gators coaches told Nuke when recruiting him, so they found out that the Gators were just telling them what they wanted to hear. Eric Berry was at the basketball game with Nu'Keese and his family, and when Berry entered the arena, the crowd started an "Er-ric Ber-ry" chant, which awed Nuke.

Why is there no legitimate chance that he personally just wanted to go to Tennessee more than Florida for his own reasons?

JoeyJr09
02-05-2009, 10:36 PM
What rumors? Are we talking about sports writers, or something like posters on other message boards? Can you provide a link?

I just don't see how Kiffin giving Nu'Keese money is the most likely reason. Florida has 5 receivers who were freshman last season, which means more competition and less chance of playing time. His high school coach has even said that he heard Gators coaches have told multiple WR recruits that they'll "be the next Percy Harvin," which was one of the most appealing things that Gators coaches told Nuke when recruiting him, so they found out that the Gators were just telling them what they wanted to hear. Eric Berry was at the basketball game with Nu'Keese and his family, and when Berry entered the arena, the crowd started an "Er-ric Ber-ry" chant, which awed Nuke.

Why is there no legitimate chance that he personally just wanted to go to Tennessee more than Florida for his own reasons?

Our rivals guys. You have to pay for accesss.

TitanHope
02-05-2009, 11:02 PM
I'm a Rivals subscriber.

Hollywood
02-05-2009, 11:22 PM
TitanHope, do some research on Dee Morley...


Next, How do you think LSU got a born and bred Cane committed to UM for 6 months who could have started day 1 at Miami at CB to leave Broward County? Because they won more games than us that year? ha!

doingthisinsteadofwork
02-05-2009, 11:29 PM
Go Kiffin!

JoeyJr09
02-06-2009, 12:08 AM
I'm a Rivals subscriber.

It's not rivals. It's on the Canesport MB.

You have to suscribe thru Canesport to have access.

BRAVEHEART
02-06-2009, 12:59 AM
It's not rivals. It's on the Canesport MB.

You have to suscribe thru Canesport to have access.

He has canesport.

JoeyJr09
02-06-2009, 09:50 AM
He has canesport.

Then here it is.

http://miami.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?FID=119&SID=903&MID=124387751&TID=124386815

http://miami.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?FID=119&SID=903&MID=124378567&TID=124377532

Here's one of the mentions. There's a couple mentions of it. I'm try to go thru and find the original stuff. I'll post it when I find it.

murdamal86
02-06-2009, 10:38 AM
What rumors? Are we talking about sports writers, or something like posters on other message boards? Can you provide a link?

I just don't see how Kiffin giving Nu'Keese money is the most likely reason. Florida has 5 receivers who were freshman last season, which means more competition and less chance of playing time. His high school coach has even said that he heard Gators coaches have told multiple WR recruits that they'll "be the next Percy Harvin," which was one of the most appealing things that Gators coaches told Nuke when recruiting him, so they found out that the Gators were just telling them what they wanted to hear. Eric Berry was at the basketball game with Nu'Keese and his family, and when Berry entered the arena, the crowd started an "Er-ric Ber-ry" chant, which awed Nuke.

Why is there no legitimate chance that he personally just wanted to go to Tennessee more than Florida for his own reasons?

I kinda cosign this. I mean at the end of the day, alot of peeps over that the Gatorsports is taking this Nu'Keese thing a bit toooo personal. I'm like for gosh sakes, this happens all the time in recruiting. Marcus Stroud did it to us http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/toc/9522/index.htm , Fred Taylor and Reggie McGrew did it to FSU, and the list goes on and on. Listen i wish that we would have been able to reel in Keese, we weren't able to because i'm assuming that we obviously didn't have him as secured as we thought he did and he had a change of heart. It happens. He may have switch at the last minute, a month ago, two months ago who knows and at this point why even care to drag it out man. I don't think it had to do with $$$, i think it really was the realization that we are STACKED at the position that he plays and maybe valued a more guaranteed early playing time than the high possibility of redshirting at UF. Only he knows the God honest truth

Komp
02-06-2009, 10:51 AM
One major reason that I think you guys are overlooking is that Florida already has two smaller WR's that are probably better than NuKeese Richardson in Andre Debose and Deonte Thompson. Nukeese would be lucky to get on the field in the first couple years at UF. He has a much better chance of playing at UT.

murdamal86
02-06-2009, 11:19 AM
One major reason that I think you guys are overlooking is that Florida already has two smaller WR's that are probably better than NuKeese Richardson in Andre Debose and Deonte Thompson. Nukeese would be lucky to get on the field in the first couple years at UF. He has a much better chance of playing at UT.

and we have 3 other WR's that redshirted last season that played the same spot as we recruited Nu'Keese for so all in all i can't blame em but as Brandon Spikes says about competition "the good ones don't blink"

Hokie_Pokie08
02-12-2009, 02:45 PM
What is up with all the former SC coaches getting busted with recruiting violations? Orgeron, Kiffin, Sarkisian, and Holt all having their names associated with different violations. Is this just something they picked up after they left SC or are they bringing their old methods with them to their new jobs?