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PalmerToCJ
02-08-2009, 11:55 PM
1. Center - Ghiaciuc is the obvious weak link in our Oline, since the day Braham got hurt the line just hasn't been even close to what it was. Upgrade Center and you improve both the run and passing game.

2. Offensive Tackle - Levi gets hurt too often, not sure how well he plays healthy. Collins is promising for sure. I'm more comfortable with Collins than Levi at this point. We still have no clue who our RT will be week 1.

3. Running Back - Benson still has to be re-signed, if he isn't, we're in massive trouble. Perry can't find running room and when he does he can't hold onto the football. Fix the Oline and the run game automatically improves.

4. Pass Rusher - Position is not all that important. I'm not sure what to expect out of Geathers, Odom was hurt for a bulk of last season even when he did play. Our LB's don't get to the QB, we need someone to put pressure on the QB from our front 7. The secondary still held up strong despite the lack of pressure is the only reason this need is not higher.

5. Depth at LB - Jeanty generally gets hurt, I LOVE Brandon Johnson but him and Rivers are in the same spot. Dhani was great last season but he's only another year older, we're going to have to fill his spot eventually.

Those I see as our big needs, of course a lot of it depends on how FA shakes out. Figured we could all post up our needs to help out the guys doing mocks.

Bengals78
02-09-2009, 01:34 AM
I would switch Pass Rusher and RB. Other wise I agree completely

BengalMedic
02-09-2009, 01:47 PM
I'll second what Bengals78 said...

Bengals78
02-09-2009, 02:55 PM
We don't really need an AD on our team, yeah sure it would be nice, but as a NEED, pass rush is higher. I would be happy with a Jeremiah Johnson, Andre Brown or Shonn Greene in round 3 or later who will be a solid runner. Carry the ball 25+ times, help take pressure off Carson. Nothing spectacular. Give me 1000 yds and some TD's and I wont be too upset. Especially if our draft goes anything like Scott has it.

LT - Andre Smith
LG - Andrew Whitworth
C - Alex Mack
RG - Bobbie Williams
RT - Anthony Collins

Hit the hole between our Half-Ton left side of the line and BAM 3-4 yds every run.

lost33cause
02-09-2009, 06:10 PM
I might be in the minority here but I would put Andre Smith at RT. I would then have Collin and Jones battle it out at the LT spot. I think that would motivate Jones and Collins to both play better.

If we don't sign Benson then RB moves up to the #2 need behind Center. I think we could manage without a tackle if NEED be, but signing benson better be top priority.

You just can't leave Levi out of the mix.
LT: Jones(starter going into camp)/Collins
LG: Whit
C: Mack/Wood
RG: Bobbie
RT: Andre Smith

Bengals78
02-09-2009, 06:35 PM
I would at least try Smith at LT. If he doesnt work well in camps or pre-season to RT it goes and Collins back to LT

rickscott
02-11-2009, 11:18 AM
My primary needs would be C first. Guichac screws up everything in the middle. Levi can not be trusted to be healthy anymore and I prefer seeing Collins at RT. I would prefer we grab a LT and move him but if we leave him there and go RT in the draft I'm probably ok with that. I still worry about Collins taking on top rushers with a 5-7 step drop from Carson. I want Benson resigned and I would be OK with him as our starter. That being the case, I would still want a backup but not a real primority. I see CB as a real need too. David Jones may improve, but I want him to have to compete to play.

chapo123
02-12-2009, 11:37 PM
if draft was today based on need :
1. eugene monroe - ot
2. michael johnson - de
3. eric wood - c
4. javon ringer - rb
5. james casey - te
6. al alfalva - s
7. maurice crum jr - ilb

Munchkin
02-13-2009, 02:31 AM
We don't really need an AD on our team, yeah sure it would be nice, but as a NEED, pass rush is higher. I would be happy with a Jeremiah Johnson, Andre Brown or Shonn Greene in round 3 or later who will be a solid runner. Carry the ball 25+ times, help take pressure off Carson. Nothing spectacular. Give me 1000 yds and some TD's and I wont be too upset. Especially if our draft goes anything like Scott has it.

LT - Andre Smith
LG - Andrew Whitworth
C - Alex Mack
RG - Bobbie Williams
RT - Anthony Collins

Hit the hole between our Half-Ton left side of the line and BAM 3-4 yds every run.

The problem here is we have a Rookie guarding Carsons blind side and a Rookie snapping the ball + QB:ing the line.

While it looks like a fantastic deal for the future.. I think they need to be groomed in to their position.
Otherwise, with rookie mistakes x2 on the OLine, Carson might see yet another season shortened by injuries.

Cicero
02-13-2009, 03:24 AM
The problem here is we have a Rookie guarding Carsons blind side and a Rookie snapping the ball + QB:ing the line.

While it looks like a fantastic deal for the future.. I think they need to be groomed in to their position.
Otherwise, with rookie mistakes x2 on the OLine, Carson might see yet another season shortened by injuries.

LT is one of the positions where you really can have instant success in the NFL. Do you have a guess which LT gave up the least amount of sacks this year?

Munchkin
02-13-2009, 04:38 AM
LT is one of the positions where you really can have instant success in the NFL. Do you have a guess which LT gave up the least amount of sacks this year?

Ryan Clady, but the Broncos OLine is amongst the best in the NFL.
Ours is amongst the worst currently, if not THE worst.


I'm not saying it can't work.
I'm saying it is a risk and I'd rather not address both needs trough the draft.

themaninblack
02-13-2009, 10:55 AM
An interesting take from John Thorton, FWIW: http://bengalscentral.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/02/decisions-descisions.html

I tend to agree with that but I may be in the minority here.

PalmerToCJ
02-13-2009, 12:45 PM
Interesting take by Thornton. Like inside info on what the team thinks about Collins and the Center position (Marvin kept giving Ghiaciuc props which scared me that he wouldn't take a Center).

The thing is, in all liklihood, OT will be the BPA or very close with our first rounder. That's part of why I favor it, wouldn't be reaching at all.

Granted, if Curry somehow fell that's my ideal pick at this point.

themaninblack
02-13-2009, 01:36 PM
Interesting take by Thornton. Like inside info on what the team thinks about Collins and the Center position (Marvin kept giving Ghiaciuc props which scared me that he wouldn't take a Center).

The thing is, in all liklihood, OT will be the BPA or very close with our first rounder. That's part of why I favor it, wouldn't be reaching at all.

Granted, if Curry somehow fell that's my ideal pick at this point.

Would we draft Andre Smith to play RT at number six? I know thats usually a spot for Left Tackles but we did draft Willie Anderson in the top 10 to play right tackle. Just food for thought I guess.

Bengals78
02-13-2009, 02:25 PM
I think we would work Andre out at LT and if he doesn't impress, we would move him to RT.

PalmerToCJ
02-13-2009, 05:58 PM
I would personally have no problem drafting Smith for RT (if they feel he's BPA).

In terms of building a good team, the Oline is without a doubt the most important thing for me so I may rate a RT higher than most.

Bengals78
02-13-2009, 06:27 PM
Well look at it when we had Willie (RT) Braham (C). We had one of the absolute best overall O-Lines in the NFL.
LT is somewhat overrated. People think you can place any bum at RT and be fine. People think LT is the most important spot out there and its one of them but if you have a 2nd year guy (Collins) who would have been a top OT if he stayed for his senior year and manned LT very well against the best defenses in the NFL, a first round RT and second round C might be exactly what the doctor ordered for us.

themaninblack
02-14-2009, 03:17 PM
Yea, I feel like if we were to draft Andre Smith it would probably be in our best interest to use him at RT.

staubach41
02-23-2009, 08:22 PM
Andre Smith seems to be unmotivated from his latest stint at the NFL Combine, what about Jason Smith? Benched 33 reps so he has power. I am not sure if that translate to a dominating run blocker but at LT we need some one to protect Carson; which is what J. Smith is known for, pass blocking. At this point I just think out of the four top OT prospects Andre Smith is showing that he is the least prepared and committed to playing in to NFL and another distraction is the last thing we need.

PalmerToCJ
02-23-2009, 08:27 PM
Yeah, what we wrote about Smith was before all this. I had heard the rumblings of concern but thought it wasn't enough to sway me from him. Now I'd just assume avoid, if Smith is there I'd be fine with him.

BengalMedic
03-07-2009, 10:33 AM
All of Smith's stupidity will be easy for MANY teams to overlook if he comes out during his pro day and shows why not long ago he was not only considered the best OT in the draft, but possibly the best player in the draft.

PalmerToCJ
03-08-2009, 12:52 AM
Honestly, if the other Smith and Monroe are off the board (Curry won't get past KC), I can't think of a better pick than Andre Smith. Believe me, I have my problems with him but the guy can play.

gpngc
03-08-2009, 12:57 AM
Honestly, if the other Smith and Monroe are off the board (Curry won't get past KC), I can't think of a better pick than Andre Smith. Believe me, I have my problems with him but the guy can play.

In that situation there's a great chance Orakpo will be there... yay? nay?

SC Igniter
03-08-2009, 11:24 AM
Honestly, if the other Smith and Monroe are off the board (Curry won't get past KC), I can't think of a better pick than Andre Smith. Believe me, I have my problems with him but the guy can play.

I believe Andre Smith's pro work day is next week so lets see how he does. Agree the talent is there but I am not sure the Bengal's will pick him unless they see a different person from what showed up at the combines.

Pat Sims 90
03-08-2009, 11:34 AM
Honestly, if the other Smith and Monroe are off the board (Curry won't get past KC), I can't think of a better pick than Andre Smith. Believe me, I have my problems with him but the guy can play.

If we take Andre Smith i would be very upset he is not committed to football at all if he just started working out he always in college was over weight and the whole him being pretty much kicked off the team after the bowl game scares me also i would have rather trade down or take BJ raji with 6th pick or even Michael Crabtree if he is there.

Bengals78
03-08-2009, 01:29 PM
Personally, Crabtree is very low on my list.

1. Jason Smith
2. Aaron Curry
3. Andre Smith
4. Eugene Monroe
5. BJ Raji
6. Brian Orakpo
7. Rey Maualuga
8. Michael Crabtree
9. Peria Jerry
10. Clint Sintim

Im not saying these guys are meant for #6 but if we were to trade back, I would be all for Sintim or Jerry.

Instead of Crabtree, I would rather wait and hope to get AJ Green from UGA or Julio Jones from Bama. Who knows, possibly Simpson and Caldwell will become the guys we need and its a moot point

Pat Sims 90
03-08-2009, 01:59 PM
Personally, Crabtree is very low on my list.

1. Jason Smith
2. Aaron Curry
3. Andre Smith
4. Eugene Monroe
5. BJ Raji
6. Brian Orakpo
7. Rey Maualuga
8. Michael Crabtree
9. Peria Jerry
10. Clint Sintim

Im not saying these guys are meant for #6 but if we were to trade back, I would be all for Sintim or Jerry.

Instead of Crabtree, I would rather wait and hope to get AJ Green from UGA or Julio Jones from Bama. Who knows, possibly Simpson and Caldwell will become the guys we need and its a moot point

I would say this is my list
1.Aaron Curry
2.Michael Crabtree
3.Jason Smith
4.Eugene Monroe
5.BJ Raji
6.Brian Orakpo
7.Knowshon Moreno
8.Alex Mack
9.James Laurinaitis
10.Max Unger

Any of these players i would be happy to take with the 6th pick or trade down and get later in the 1st round

Bengals78
03-08-2009, 02:18 PM
I just don't get the love for Crabtree for us. I would rather trading down for Britt or DHB.

BengalMedic
03-09-2009, 07:34 AM
I would rather trade down as well, grab an additional pick, and take care of business.

That being said, we are talking about sitting at #6. Bash away A. Smith all you like. He was once considered the best player in the draft. You don't get to that point by being uncommitted or lazy. His body of work in college speaks volumes. The guy is just dominating at the point of attack. I'm like PalmerToCJ in that I have my problems with the guy, but it all falls on what the team thinks of him as a player, not my issues with what happened during the combine.

By the way, many have already made claims about those stories of A. Smith being more rumors than anything else. Minus the money to lose, maybe he doesn't want to play for a loser team. Eli Manning anyone ??

If Curry goes to KC, I would bet a buttload of money that Orakpo goes to Cleveland the pick before us. He would address a huge need for them.

I only want to have Crabtree sitting at #6 to up the chances of trading down. NOTHING MORE.

themaninblack
03-09-2009, 01:22 PM
Everyone wants to trade down but it does really look like we could be in a nice position to do so especially if Crabtree is available when we pick.

StripedWalrus
03-09-2009, 04:33 PM
Everyone wants to trade down but it does really look like we could be in a nice position to do so especially if Crabtree is available when we pick.

I think Crabtree and Raji both give us a prime opportunity to have a team trade up and allow to trade back and get the same player we could possibly be targeting at #6.

PalmerToCJ
03-09-2009, 04:45 PM
Would be nice to jump back to the teens and grab an additional second rounder. If there's no Curry/Jason Smith/Monroe I think that's the ideal scenario. Would also give us ammo to trade up in the 2nd/3rd if needed.

Bengals78
03-09-2009, 07:58 PM
If we traded to the teens, I would like this:

1.) Sintim or Larry English
2.) Mack
2.) Loadholt
3.) Jasper Brinkley
3.) Best available Pass Rusher
4.) Kory Sheets
5.) Nic Harris
6.) Brannan Southerland
7.) Kevin Huber

themaninblack
03-09-2009, 08:01 PM
If we traded to the teens, I would like this:

1.) Sintim or Larry English
2.) Mack
2.) Loadholt
3.) Jasper Brinkley
3.) Best available Pass Rusher
4.) Kory Sheets
5.) Nic Harris
6.) Brannan Southerland
7.) Kevin Huber

I'd pretty much love this draft though I'd prolly use our third on a RB if Shonn Greene is available. Other than that I would be super happy if this happened.

Bengals78
03-09-2009, 08:14 PM
We are so close to being there. If we can get pass rush a center and OT, we can be a big surprise to a lot of teams.

StripedWalrus
03-09-2009, 09:03 PM
We are so close to being there. If we can get pass rush a center and OT, we can be a big surprise to a lot of teams.

If we get some pass rush, a Center, and an OT, plus everyone stays healthy, I see no reason for us to not be optimistic about a winning season.

Bengals78
03-10-2009, 10:00 AM
I think Pass Rush will be the big one for us. I am already thinking Alex Mack should be a lock in rd 2 if he is there, and if he isn't then we need to move to get Wood.

PalmerToCJ
03-10-2009, 12:13 PM
Producing a pass rush would be what takes our defense from average to good.

Still, it all revolves around the Oline. Get the Oline and you produce many positive things....

1. Carson has time to throw the long ball, gotta love those 50 yard TD passes.
2. We are more productive in the run game without Ghiaciuc screwing things up.
3. As a result of 1 and 2, our time of possession will increase, giving the D time to rest. That KILLED them last year being on the field for so long.
4. With fresher legs, maybe that alone will slightly help the pass rush.

themaninblack
03-10-2009, 01:09 PM
I think we just need a PR specialist more than anything. I think with Odom and Geathers finally playing with some decent DT's we will see a better pass rush in general this season. If we could add another DT and a Pass Rush Specialist at end it would be great.

SC Igniter
03-10-2009, 06:26 PM
Producing a pass rush would be what takes our defense from average to good.

Still, it all revolves around the Oline. Get the Oline and you produce many positive things....

1. Carson has time to throw the long ball, gotta love those 50 yard TD passes.
2. We are more productive in the run game without Ghiaciuc screwing things up.
3. As a result of 1 and 2, our time of possession will increase, giving the D time to rest. That KILLED them last year being on the field for so long.
4. With fresher legs, maybe that alone will slightly help the pass rush.



I agree to shore up our line must be our priority. We need these people to contribute this season, so its hard to believe they will do any different than OT and C in rounds 1 & 2. Then pick the best available Pass rusher, RB and ILB in rounds 3 & 4.

Ben Galls
03-12-2009, 01:40 PM
I would put pass rusher a little higher on the list. Maybe #2 after O. line. Geathers is just okay, and Odom, who we overpaid, was the beneficiary of playing with Haynesworth & Vandenbosch in TN. I really don't think we can count on a whole lot from either of them. Orakpo is a solid pick whether you stand him up or put his hand on the turf (providing the two top tackles are gone). Dear Lord, I hope we don't take that Smith kid from 'Bama!!!

WHO DEY?!?!

BengalMedic
03-16-2009, 08:17 AM
We overpay everyone to come to Cincinnati and probably will have to continue to do so until we win multiple Super Bowls, so that's going to be a while. In regards to Odom, it's really hard to say what last season was or wasn't with him since he was hurt his first practice with the team and even when he did get on the field, wasn't 100%. I say wait and see before calling him a free agent bust move for us and our DT has improved as well.

Center is a HUGE need seeing as we did nothing to address it during free agency and it irritates me to think we may wait until later in the draft as opposed to taking one of the top Centers in the 2nd. If you aren't going to address needs in free agency, GO GET THE GUY WHO'S GOING TO HELP !!!

StripedWalrus
03-16-2009, 10:13 PM
We overpay everyone to come to Cincinnati and probably will have to continue to do so until we win multiple Super Bowls, so that's going to be a while. In regards to Odom, it's really hard to say what last season was or wasn't with him since he was hurt his first practice with the team and even when he did get on the field, wasn't 100%. I say wait and see before calling him a free agent bust move for us and our DT has improved as well.

Center is a HUGE need seeing as we did nothing to address it during free agency and it irritates me to think we may wait until later in the draft as opposed to taking one of the top Centers in the 2nd. If you aren't going to address needs in free agency, GO GET THE GUY WHO'S GOING TO HELP !!!

Thats just how free agency is. You always overpay. The majority of the time you end up with a player that doesnt perform to their pay check.

themaninblack
03-16-2009, 10:58 PM
Saw on the local news tonight that the Bengals are shopping Levi and apparently the Bears are interested.

Bengals78
03-17-2009, 10:35 AM
3rd or 4th for him...I hope

StripedWalrus
03-17-2009, 01:56 PM
would be nice. I know St. Clair has been looking around at other teams, so the Bears might be looking for some insurance. Would be nice to get a third...who knows maybe he is worth more (hardly possible) but that could potentialy give us 3, 3rd round draft picks in this draft.`