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LonghornsLegend
02-11-2009, 08:48 AM
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Brett Favre has told the Jets he plans to retire.
Favre sent an email to ESPN thanking the organization, saying he had no regrets about ending his career with the Jets. "My time with the Jets was short, but I was honored to be given that chance." The Jets now have the money and impetus to find a quarterback to pair with Kellen Clemens and place Favre on the reserve/retired list. The Jets will hold his rights for two years, so Favre would have to request a release to go elsewhere should he ever change his mind. Which would never happen. Feb. 11 - 9:30 am et

per rotoworld.

Notredameleo
02-11-2009, 08:50 AM
I'll believe it in '12...when it is 100% official he cant come back!

drowe
02-11-2009, 09:08 AM
maybe i'm crazy, but i almost believe him this time.

Brent
02-11-2009, 09:14 AM
No "take backs" this time, Favre!

Brodeur
02-11-2009, 09:16 AM
Can't he stay out of the spotlight for a few weeks? God damn.

Sveen
02-11-2009, 09:18 AM
What?! No Favre Watch this year? That's just too good to believe. We haven't seen the end of this.

Yatta!
02-11-2009, 09:28 AM
I think its definitely for good this time. Just a year too late though.

Mr.Regular
02-11-2009, 09:37 AM
If the Vikings are still in need of a QB come June-ish, I can see Favre somehow making his away over there to play for them.

derza222
02-11-2009, 09:37 AM
I'm almost surprised he didn't force the Jets hand on this one and see if they'd cut him loose to let him go where he wanted... Hopefully he's a little more comfortable with his decision this time.

Turtlepower
02-11-2009, 09:38 AM
Anyone remember the Favre for MVP talk at the beginning of the season??? =D

NY+Giants=NYG
02-11-2009, 09:46 AM
You mean he has retired... for now.. : )

MetSox17
02-11-2009, 10:06 AM
Oh great, here comes another week of ESPN garbage.

NY+Giants=NYG
02-11-2009, 10:08 AM
Oh great, here comes another week of ESPN garbage.

Duh! Now comes the tribute shows and career highlights...again!

Addict
02-11-2009, 10:17 AM
I'll believe this when week 1 is on the way and I don't hear from him. Until then this is a 'to be continued' in my mind.

Favre Retires Episode III

BradysKnee
02-11-2009, 10:17 AM
I just hope to god he doesn't get into broadcasting, I can't stand him anymore as is.

He's tarnished his legacy.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
02-11-2009, 10:18 AM
Secretly A-roid paid Favre 5 million dollars to take the spotlight off him.

leroyisgod
02-11-2009, 10:23 AM
Favre has become one of the biggest drama queens in recent NFL history. Hopefully in ten years people will remember his gun slinging QB play rather than the drama he created the last few years of his career.

Donno
02-11-2009, 10:27 AM
Secretly A-roid paid Favre 5 million dollars to take the spotlight off him.

This Brett Farve thing does seem kind of funny, this must be a conspiracy.

MetSox17
02-11-2009, 10:34 AM
Secretly A-roid paid Favre 5 million dollars to take the spotlight off him.

Hell, i would have done it.

Sniper
02-11-2009, 10:36 AM
Hell, i would have done it.

What's $5 million to A-Rod anyway?

Matthew Jones
02-11-2009, 10:39 AM
Glad he decided not to make a big deal out of it. A year late, but better late than never, eh?

tjsunstein
02-11-2009, 10:54 AM
There's going to be a lot of "finallys" and jokes about how he was a year late and what not but fact remains he's one of the greatest QBs of all time. He left so much on the field, even though the last fews years he has been a media whor, he hasn't been able to walk away because of how much he loved the game. Truly a phenomenal quarterback leaving on such a sour note.

nrk
02-11-2009, 11:00 AM
There's going to be a lot of "finallys" and jokes about how he was a year late and what not but fact remains he's one of the greatest QBs of all time. He left so much on the field, even though the last fews years he has been a media whor, he hasn't been able to walk away because of how much he loved the game. Truly a phenomenal quarterback leaving on such a sour note.

Eh I don't think he was a media *****. The media was just all over his nuts. You can't blame Favre for all the attention the media gives. Blame ESPN.

ElectricEye
02-11-2009, 11:09 AM
Not anything unexpected...great career, but it was starting to get tiresome with this being a years event. Pretty sure it's for good this time.

TitanHope
02-11-2009, 11:13 AM
Oh great, here comes another week of ESPN garbage.

A-Rod on steroids and Brett Favre "retiring"...

I do believe ESPN just came.

Bucs_Rule
02-11-2009, 11:15 AM
He's gone for good. If he tries to come back no one will want him.

tjsunstein
02-11-2009, 11:21 AM
He's gone for good. If he tries to come back no one will want him.

haha, the speaker of all GMs in the NFL. He knows for sure!

CashmoneyDrew
02-11-2009, 11:26 AM
So long young Favre. Can't say I'll miss you too much.

Fogcity_faithful
02-11-2009, 11:27 AM
Prediction-Farve becomes the only player to grace the Madden Cover twice and in two different uniforms. The only person who is really truly upset by this second retirement is John Madden, who has the worlds largest man crush on Brett

Turtlepower
02-11-2009, 11:28 AM
YbbZ7_dGTTE

tjsunstein
02-11-2009, 11:52 AM
Its funny thats hes gonna be remembered more for the bad than good.

NY+Giants=NYG
02-11-2009, 12:04 PM
Its funny thats hes gonna be remembered more for the bad than good.

Sadly man, he did it to himself. Just look at the stories coming out of how he had his own lockeroom, and such. I remember reading that when he was with your team. And now the Jets players were basically saying he would change in another place, and hang out alone in an office in the training facility.

M.O.T.H.
02-11-2009, 12:05 PM
I really dont care about Favre anymore...just came off as a dick this entire year. Probably should have just retired last year. Everyone used to love him...kind of tarnished that image a bit this year.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
02-11-2009, 12:36 PM
He's a gun-slinger!!!



Glad it is over. I've never seen someone be quite so rediculous with regards to a retirement. Can't wait to see what comes of it this time.

Menardo75
02-11-2009, 12:47 PM
I think I might believe him this time.

Brodeur
02-11-2009, 12:57 PM
I think he'll pull a Roger Clemens/PJ Brown/Peter Forsberg and come back half way through the year when the Jets are 5-3.

Turtlepower
02-11-2009, 12:58 PM
I think he'll pull a Roger Clemens/PJ Brown/Peter Forsberg and come back half way through the year when the Jets are 5-3.

A Vinny Testaverde?

Brodeur
02-11-2009, 01:02 PM
A Vinny Testaverde?

That's mainly because no one wanted him at the time. Different situation.

captainjack27
02-11-2009, 01:21 PM
******** lol

tjsunstein
02-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Sadly man, he did it to himself. Just look at the stories coming out of how he had his own lockeroom, and such. I remember reading that when he was with your team. And now the Jets players were basically saying he would change in another place, and hang out alone in an office in the training facility.

I completely agree, but this will over ride the fact that he has done a lot of great things in his career in some people's perception of him.

This was more towards the end, like the last 4 years. When TT came in, he built through the draft making the team considerably younger and I guess Favre felt a certain barrier with the younger guys when Aaron was brought in because everyone knew eventually Aaron would get a shot. Aaron, being a younger guy, connected better with the team. When he went to NYJ, everyone liked Chad in that locker room as told by Coles' reaction to the trade and release. Favre wanted to play and the Jets were the only other option viable for both him and the Packers organization. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't want to go another season being underappreciated by his standards.

By the way, last offseason wasn't entirely Brett's fault. TT and Mike McCarthy told him that he and Aaron would compete for the starting job and obviously, with Favre being tired and coming off a dissapointing loss in the NFCCG, he wasn't too pleased with the situation and called it quits. Later in the offseason, he wanted the shot to compete with Rodgers and still wanted to play. TT and McCarthy had said that since he retired, Aaron was their guy and they couldnt break Aaron's confidence by letting Favre walk in and out whenever he wanted. The Packers handled the situation as well as it could have been handled. Its not the actual situation that made people mad, just the over coverage it got and the TV time.

someone447
02-11-2009, 02:49 PM
In 5 years when he is inaugurated into the HOF, people won't be thinking about these past two years. He will be remembered as a great QB, it isn't going to tarnish his legacy. Did Jordan on the Wizards tarnish his legacy? No, and neither will Favre on the Jets, nor his will he or wont he retirement.

M.O.T.H.
02-11-2009, 02:52 PM
Yeah, he'll be remembered as a great QB but, the percentage of people that actually like Brett Favre, the person, will more than likely be lower. I dont think he tarnished his football legacy, I just think he screwed up his image in the eye of the fan.

princefielder28
02-11-2009, 02:55 PM
Thanks 4 the memories!

One of the greatest to ever play the game, and the player that I have enjoyed watching the most. He is a great man, and one that the game will definitely miss.

CC.SD
02-11-2009, 02:59 PM
Yeah, right.

Wait until a big name QB goes down in 2009, someone will give him a ring and without a whole season to play through, he'll answer.

tjsunstein
02-11-2009, 02:59 PM
Yeah, he'll be remembered as a great QB but, the percentage of people that actually like Brett Favre, the person, will more than likely be lower. I dont think he tarnished his football legacy, I just think he screwed up his image in the eye of the fan.

How? How did he tarnish his image? By retiring and unretiring? Please. People do that all the time, Jordan, Clemens, all the greats that cant walk away from the game they love. If anything, Favre tarnished his image when he was addicted to pain killers. If that didnt do it for you then I question how much of the last two years lowered his personal image. I'm pretty sure that an addiction to pain killers will do more damage then getting extensive media coverage on a situation that many people still don't know what happened. All they know is that Favre retired and unretired and wanted to play for the Packers. He showed up at training camp for the fair chance he was promised, and was told to leave and a trade would be worked out. The media tarnished his image more than anything he has ever said or done.

T-RICH49
02-11-2009, 03:17 PM
I'll believe it when the regular season comes and he's not in some teams huddle

Don Vito
02-11-2009, 03:32 PM
I hope for his own sake he doesn't come back. He should've went out after his great 2007 but he just had to come back, he had a great career but last year he was painful to watch.

Chief49er
02-11-2009, 03:34 PM
Jeff Garcia FTW!

Iamcanadian
02-11-2009, 03:37 PM
He's done for sure, you could see his game come apart as the season wore on. He has nothing left to give a team.
Thanks for the great moments spaced over a long career.

Brodeur
02-11-2009, 03:57 PM
Thanks 4 the memories!

One of the greatest to ever play the game, and the player that I have enjoyed watching the most. He is a great man, and one that the game will definitely miss.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man that was good.

princefielder28
02-11-2009, 04:03 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man that was good.

Did sabremetrics tell you that? Many of the Favre haters come from ESPN's non-stop coverage and making him out to be a prima donna.

Brodeur
02-11-2009, 04:07 PM
Did sabremetrics tell you that? Many of the Favre haters come from ESPN's non-stop coverage and making him out to be a prima donna.

Nice sabremetric shot at me. And Favre is an annoying narcissist, so that removes him from good guy status.

BradysKnee
02-11-2009, 04:23 PM
How? How did he tarnish his image? By retiring and unretiring? Please. People do that all the time, Jordan, Clemens, all the greats that cant walk away from the game they love. If anything, Favre tarnished his image when he was addicted to pain killers. If that didnt do it for you then I question how much of the last two years lowered his personal image. I'm pretty sure that an addiction to pain killers will do more damage then getting extensive media coverage on a situation that many people still don't know what happened. All they know is that Favre retired and unretired and wanted to play for the Packers. He showed up at training camp for the fair chance he was promised, and was told to leave and a trade would be worked out. The media tarnished his image more than anything he has ever said or done.

Oh I don't know, the subpar play, the constant I'm done, I'm not done routine. Playing for the Jets, the madden cover.

M.O.T.H.
02-11-2009, 04:28 PM
Did sabremetrics tell you that? Many of the Favre haters come from ESPN's non-stop coverage and making him out to be a prima donna.

I'd def. agree that a great deal of the haters come from ESPN's round the clock coverage, similar to that of the Yankees, Red Sox, and Cowboys. The media influences the public a lot, like it or not. People are stupid and over exposure of these teams and players will make people hate them....or love them. With that being said...Favre is a prima donna in my eyes and I dont even watch all this ESPN crap. He's always been a drama king, really.

I dont think anyone should have told him when to hang them up but, the entire situation was an ugly one...and a lot of the time it just seemed like he was playing in spite of the Packers. He was reportedly secluding himself from his Jets teammates in the lockeroom and was noted as being "distant". He was coming across as narcissistic and some would say that he thought that he was bigger than the game. The whole thing became to be a little much after a while.

I loved Brett Favre, the Qb, but really began to sour on him a little as a person. Again, I have no problem with the fact that he wanted his career to continue but, after the Packers rejected him...I'm not so sure his heart was always in the right place.

farfromforgotten
02-11-2009, 04:32 PM
I'm a 49ers fan, so I always hated Favre beating us in the playoffs. I can still respect him though, hell of a football player. I hardly ever watch tv, except for the draft and the actual games, so all the media stuff doesnt seem to bother me. This "tarnished his legacy" stuff is ridiculous.

PACKmanN
02-11-2009, 04:41 PM
Duh! Now comes the tribute shows and career highlights...again!

zomg, top 10 moments in Brett Favre's career.

sweetness34
02-11-2009, 04:49 PM
In 5 years when he is inaugurated into the HOF, people won't be thinking about these past two years. He will be remembered as a great QB, it isn't going to tarnish his legacy. Did Jordan on the Wizards tarnish his legacy? No, and neither will Favre on the Jets, nor his will he or wont he retirement.

Don't put Favre and Jordan in the same sentence please. Jordan retired from the Bulls, took a job with the Wizards, wanted to play again and he did. He never held the Bulls hostage or any of that crap.

Now I was sad to see him in another uniform out there but I guarantee you there are no sour grapes from Bulls fans like there are for Favre. I have 3 Packer fan buddies, die hards. One of them still loves Favre, the other two hate him. The circumstances are a little different, plus the fact that MJ was retired for 3 years before he came back. Favre never "officially" retired from the NFL.

Donno
02-11-2009, 05:27 PM
Dude I am so sick of ******* espn playing this stupid ass ****! Dude we dont care that Farve retired! This is so annoying, I woke up and this was the headline my god this is the worst thing that could of happened today. I will not watch NFL live because you know they are going to kiss Farve's ass all day. Please everyone do not watch espn for at least 3 days, I know its hard but just get all youre sports stuff from here for the next 3 days. I guarantee this will still be news tomorrow. They will be interviewing random ass people, just do not watch this garbage!

someone447
02-11-2009, 06:08 PM
Don't put Favre and Jordan in the same sentence please. Jordan retired from the Bulls, took a job with the Wizards, wanted to play again and he did. He never held the Bulls hostage or any of that crap.

Now I was sad to see him in another uniform out there but I guarantee you there are no sour grapes from Bulls fans like there are for Favre. I have 3 Packer fan buddies, die hards. One of them still loves Favre, the other two hate him. The circumstances are a little different, plus the fact that MJ was retired for 3 years before he came back. Favre never "officially" retired from the NFL.

The Packer's forced him out the door. There was no reason he couldn't take his time and decide. They didn't need to find a successor, they already had him on the roster. What Favre did wasn't going to change the Packer's offseason, so there was no reason for TT to force him into a choice.

P-L
02-11-2009, 07:45 PM
Did anyone watch ESPN this morning? It was UNBEARABLE!!! I think they talked about this for at least two hours straight, stopping only for commercial.

T-RICH49
02-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Did anyone watch ESPN this morning? It was UNBEARABLE!!! I think they talked about this for at least two hours straight, stopping only for commercial.

and somewhere A-Rod rejoices at Favre's retirement

Brodeur
02-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Did anyone watch ESPN this morning? It was UNBEARABLE!!! I think they talked about this for at least two hours straight, stopping only for commercial.

I had it on right as it was announced before I left for classes, so dealing with that was awesome, especially when they decided to let Dick Vitale talk about Favre.

neko4
02-11-2009, 08:33 PM
Oh great, here comes another week of ESPN garbage.
Suck it up. Its one more week for another 5 years when he gets put into the hall.

vidae
02-11-2009, 08:42 PM
Oh man! This is such exciting news!

MetSox17
02-11-2009, 09:06 PM
And Favre is an annoying narcissist, so that removes him from good guy status.

This about sums it up for me.

Suck it up. Its one more week for another 5 years when he gets put into the hall.

I'm sure BSPN will still find a way to sneak the guy in there in some lame topic. I can see it already. "Zomgz, Brett Favre in a celebrity charity golf tournament!"

I bet they're splooging in their pants right now at the possibility of throwing enough money at him to get him to go to Bristol for NFL Live or something.

Boston
02-11-2009, 10:35 PM
Don't put Favre and Jordan in the same sentence please. Jordan retired from the Bulls, took a job with the Wizards, wanted to play again and he did. He never held the Bulls hostage or any of that crap.

Now I was sad to see him in another uniform out there but I guarantee you there are no sour grapes from Bulls fans like there are for Favre. I have 3 Packer fan buddies, die hards. One of them still loves Favre, the other two hate him. The circumstances are a little different, plus the fact that MJ was retired for 3 years before he came back. Favre never "officially" retired from the NFL.

Now I don't really like defending Favre on this situation, but I think it needs to be done. He did the right thing but went about it in the wrong manner. Thompson completely blocked Favre out, he refused to trade him, and refused to let him be the starter, hence the 'tryouts.' He was basically being forced out the door by the team he carried on his shoulders for the last 15 years.

Now, I'm not saying Favre was right here, but you can see where some of the malice comes from. And honestly, Lions fans hating on Favre? Really?

someone447
02-12-2009, 12:14 AM
Now I don't really like defending Favre on this situation, but I think it needs to be done. He did the right thing but went about it in the wrong manner. Thompson completely blocked Favre out, he refused to trade him, and refused to let him be the starter, hence the 'tryouts.' He was basically being forced out the door by the team he carried on his shoulders for the last 15 years.

Now, I'm not saying Favre was right here, but you can see where some of the malice comes from. And honestly, Lions fans hating on Favre? Really?

He is a bears fan, what do you expect? He has hated Favre since 1992. What would make him change now?

Saints-Tigers
02-12-2009, 12:19 AM
Even if the situations were comparable, Brett Favre and Michael Jordan aren't comparable.

Brett Favre is just as much to blame for the media circus as the media is. He loves that ****.

someone447
02-12-2009, 12:22 AM
Even if the situations were comparable, Brett Favre and Michael Jordan aren't comparable.

Brett Favre is just as much to blame for the media circus as the media is. He loves that ****.

How often was he in the media before the last few years? His painkiller addiction. You never heard from him. The media is much more to blame. I've met Favre twice, once was when my grandpa golfed with him(I ended up spending the entire round 3+ hours with him), and then again the next year. He was an incredibly nice guy, the media has focused so much on him that people have just gotten sick of it.

tjsunstein
02-12-2009, 07:59 AM
Oh I don't know, the subpar play, the constant I'm done, I'm not done routine. Playing for the Jets, the madden cover.

Subpar play at the end of a 17 year career tarnished his off field image? No.
Undecided on retirement for two year tarnished his off field image? No.
Playing for the Jets? Wait, are you serious? No. Read both of my posts and understand the situation. How did playing for another team tarnish his image?
The madden cover tarnished his image? Now you lose all credibility. Ray Lewis must have lost his too cause he was on the cover, as well as the other like 8 athletes.

wicket
02-12-2009, 08:09 AM
Subpar play at the end of a 17 year career tarnished his off field image? No.
Undecided on retirement for two year tarnished his off field image? No.
Playing for the Jets? Wait, are you serious? No. Read both of my posts and understand the situation. How did playing for another team tarnish his image?
The madden cover tarnished his image? Now you lose all credibility. Ray Lewis must have lost his too cause he was on the cover, as well as the other like 8 athletes.

well vince young kinda did ;)

BradysKnee
02-12-2009, 08:28 AM
well vince young kinda did ;)

And Shawn Alexander... and Michael Vick... lol.

tjsunstein
02-12-2009, 09:58 AM
And Shawn Alexander... and Michael Vick... lol.
Shawn FTL. It's Shaun.

Way to avoid the questions completely.
What did he do to tarnish his image? You don't have an answer because he did nothing that hasn't been done before by other greats of the game. Did they tarnish their images? Seemingly not. But Favre goes from god to underappreciated in two years. Why? The media. Unless you can tell me how Favre has tarnished his reputation by himself, meaning you would have to actually know the situation and not get tired of seeing him on TV, you're wasting my time.

Mr. Stiller
02-12-2009, 10:15 AM
Now I don't really like defending Favre on this situation, but I think it needs to be done. He did the right thing but went about it in the wrong manner. Thompson completely blocked Favre out, he refused to trade him, and refused to let him be the starter, hence the 'tryouts.' He was basically being forced out the door by the team he carried on his shoulders for the last 15 years.

Now, I'm not saying Favre was right here, but you can see where some of the malice comes from. And honestly, Lions fans hating on Favre? Really?

It goes both ways.

Green bay had a team go to the NFCCG and as soon as the offseason comes up they just constantly had to go into the offseason wondering if he's going to be around.

2 years of "I might, I might not". For the teams sake they shouldn't have to deal with that every offseason if you want to keep the team going.

Atleast in my estimation. Favre played solid but not himself this season.. What was the big deal in having to compete for his job? Rodgers had been in the wings and Favre was going over the hill.

Thompson only pushed him out because Favre kept him hanging every offseason, handcuffing them and not letting them know what he was doing. No consideration for the team on his behalf in my eyes.

saintsfan912
02-12-2009, 10:37 AM
I'm not trying to start any kinds of arguments here but:

Who the **** really cares if Brett Farve retires? His career is turning into a damn circus and it's getting really old. It was old last year, now it's just annoying.

someone447
02-12-2009, 10:43 AM
It goes both ways.

Green bay had a team go to the NFCCG and as soon as the offseason comes up they just constantly had to go into the offseason wondering if he's going to be around.

2 years of "I might, I might not". For the teams sake they shouldn't have to deal with that every offseason if you want to keep the team going.

Atleast in my estimation. Favre played solid but not himself this season.. What was the big deal in having to compete for his job? Rodgers had been in the wings and Favre was going over the hill.

Thompson only pushed him out because Favre kept him hanging every offseason, handcuffing them and not letting them know what he was doing. No consideration for the team on his behalf in my eyes.

There was no reason for the Packers to demand he know. It wasn't going to change a SINGLE THING ABOUT THEIR OFFSEASON. Had the media just let it go and let Favre decide when he decided, there would have been absolutely no distraction. I really don't see how Favre did anything wrong.

tjsunstein
02-12-2009, 11:59 AM
Even if the situations were comparable, Brett Favre and Michael Jordan aren't comparable.

Brett Favre is just as much to blame for the media circus as the media is. He loves that ****.
Yup. Brett Favre loves being the center of attention. You know it. If you know the least bit about Favre its that hes as humble as anyone. How is he to blame for the circus?
How often was he in the media before the last few years? His painkiller addiction. You never heard from him. The media is much more to blame. I've met Favre twice, once was when my grandpa golfed with him(I ended up spending the entire round 3+ hours with him), and then again the next year. He was an incredibly nice guy, the media has focused so much on him that people have just gotten sick of it.
Exactly. Thank you.

sweetness34
02-12-2009, 02:03 PM
He's partly to blame for this circus.;

A) When he retired last year, he claims that GB rushed him to a decision. Well then ok, tell them that you're not quite sure if your decision is final. And if he had the itch to come back, why the **** did he wait until June to say so? He had all offseason to talk to GB about getting a trade or working something out but he waited til a month before Training Camp.

B) This was the 2nd or 3rd straight offseason where he played the "well I don't know if I'm coming back or not" crap which put GB in a bind each year not knowing what he was going to do.

C) I agree that the media is a culprit in this but Favre was not shy about talking to them whenever they asked, yea I'm sure he hates the spotlight.

Brett's not solely to blame on this but he did make this out to be a circus. And from what I read about him and the Jets this past year, it makes me think that even moreso.

sweetness34
02-12-2009, 02:04 PM
And through it all, statistically Rodgers had a better season than Brett, as did Pennington.

sweetness34
02-12-2009, 02:10 PM
The Packer's forced him out the door. There was no reason he couldn't take his time and decide. They didn't need to find a successor, they already had him on the roster. What Favre did wasn't going to change the Packer's offseason, so there was no reason for TT to force him into a choice.

The Packers "forced him out the door?" What the hell do you expect them to do? They made the choice to go with Rodgers instead of waiting for Brett to make a damn decision. And they granted him his wish to play elsewhere after both parties agreed it was best for each other.

Regardless of the player I'm not going to wait for a guy to make a decision year, after year, after year....The Packers couldn't wait any longer so they made a choice, the right choice.

Comparing Brett to MJ was ridiculous. Michael went to Reinsdorf his first time and said he just didn't think he had it left in him to play at that point, he never left the team in "limbo" like Favre did. Retired for 2 years and then came back to the organization and said that he wanted to play again. Same thing happened his 2nd time with Washington. And MJ actually formally retired, twice. Brett never did.

Michael retired because he felt that he didn't have anything "to prove" any more, he didn't have the drive he once did. That's why he did it. I just don't see at all how these two situations are comparable.

tjsunstein
02-12-2009, 02:25 PM
He's partly to blame for this circus.;

A) When he retired last year, he claims that GB rushed him to a decision. Well then ok, tell them that you're not quite sure if your decision is final. And if he had the itch to come back, why the **** did he wait until June to say so? He had all offseason to talk to GB about getting a trade or working something out but he waited til a month before Training Camp.
Do you need to read up on the whole story again? He was told he had to make a decision, and like anyone who is rushed into a decision he made a rash one. He probably convinced himself that it was the right decision weeks after he made it and then took the organization up on the word that he would be able to compete for the job. Obviously, the team had moved on without him and by the time Brett wanted to come back, it was mid training camp, around the time that his head was wrapped up in football every year.
B) This was the 2nd or 3rd straight offseason where he played the "well I don't know if I'm coming back or not" crap which put GB in a bind each year not knowing what he was going to do.
Crap? lol. Yeah, considering retirement is crap. Remember he hasn't missed a game in 16 years and has played through multiple injuries. Is it wrong to reconsider such a physical profession at the age of 37? Just like anyone else in the league, he had the right to take his time.
C) I agree that the media is a culprit in this but Favre was not shy about talking to them whenever they asked, yea I'm sure he hates the spotlight.
Did you want him to say "next question?" He answered what was directed at him, like you will to this post.
Brett's not solely to blame on this but he did make this out to be a circus. And from what I read about him and the Jets this past year, it makes me think that even moreso.
And that would be the media's influence.

It isnt wrong to form your own opinion rather than following the media's image drawn. I'm not just directing that statement to you, sweetness, but much of the board.

Gay Ork Wang
02-12-2009, 02:39 PM
Crap? lol. Yeah, considering retirement is crap. Remember he hasn't missed a game in 16 years and has played through multiple injuries. Is it wrong to reconsider such a physical profession at the age of 37? Just like anyone else in the league, he had the right to take his time.
yea but does he have to make a big fuss about it every year? Think about it at home, dont go out say: hey lets play a game, do i retire or not? lets take a guess!

Did you want him to say "next question?" He answered what was directed at him, like you will to this post. This answer doesnt contradict the thing sweetness means. He couldve said "next question", alot of others do. Or just dont make a big fuss about it, i mean everyone is thinking about retirement. Dan Marino did, Peyton is going to. I bet no one is gonna have that much fuss, maybe tom Brady but i cant see it. You need to hands to clap.

And that would be the media's influence.
Parts of what is read are things his teammates stated. so no its not always the media

tjsunstein
02-12-2009, 02:45 PM
yea but does he have to make a big fuss about it every year? Think about it at home, dont go out say: hey lets play a game, do i retire or not? lets take a guess!
That was the media's doing. They made a game of it. He came out and said that he needed time to think about his future, what's the crime in that?

This answer doesnt contradict the thing sweetness means. He couldve said "next question", alot of others do. Or just dont make a big fuss about it, i mean everyone is thinking about retirement. Dan Marino did, Peyton is going to. I bet no one is gonna have that much fuss, maybe tom Brady but i cant see it. You need to hands to clap.
So you're pretty much angry at Favre answering questions, and not just that but angry he answered them truthfully.

Parts of what is read are things his teammates stated. so no its not always the media
Are you talking about seperating himself in the locker room? If you are, I addressed that this thread.

Gay Ork Wang
02-12-2009, 03:01 PM
That was the media's doing. They made a game of it. He came out and said that he needed time to think about his future, what's the crime in that?
Nothing. But he went to the press over and over again. Kinda makes u think.

So you're pretty much angry at Favre answering questions, and not just that but angry he answered them truthfully. Im not angry. im just saying that kinda created the controversy in the first place. why do it then? prolly because he liked to answer the questions to the media


Are you talking about seperating himself in the locker room? If you are, I addressed that this thread.

nah i dont know what he is talking about, but not everything the media says is like invented. u got interviews from all sort of sources. just wanted to point out that the media isnt like creating everything. i dont quite know what sweetness meant in the first place

tjsunstein
02-12-2009, 03:10 PM
Nothing. But he went to the press over and over again. Kinda makes u think.

Im not angry. im just saying that kinda created the controversy in the first place. why do it then? prolly because he liked to answer the questions to the media

Someone that high profile isn't going to keep quiet very long. In a way, it is his fault. Shame on him for playing himself up to a high profile.

nah i dont know what he is talking about, but not everything the media says is like invented. u got interviews from all sort of sources. just wanted to point out that the media isnt like creating everything. i dont quite know what sweetness meant in the first place
Of course not all media is based on speculation and blowing up one quote. But they usually down play the most important facts to make the story more appealing.

Gay Ork Wang
02-12-2009, 03:50 PM
Someone that high profile isn't going to keep quiet very long. In a way, it is his fault. Shame on him for playing himself up to a high profile. Hey and thats all that people critize him for, so whats the problem? :D


Of course not all media is based on speculation and blowing up one quote. But they usually down play the most important facts to make the story more appealing.
yea usually, but cant say: Its the media, cant be right. U have to filter everything u hear.

someone447
02-12-2009, 03:59 PM
The Packers "forced him out the door?" What the hell do you expect them to do? They made the choice to go with Rodgers instead of waiting for Brett to make a damn decision. And they granted him his wish to play elsewhere after both parties agreed it was best for each other.

Regardless of the player I'm not going to wait for a guy to make a decision year, after year, after year....The Packers couldn't wait any longer so they made a choice, the right choice.

Comparing Brett to MJ was ridiculous. Michael went to Reinsdorf his first time and said he just didn't think he had it left in him to play at that point, he never left the team in "limbo" like Favre did. Retired for 2 years and then came back to the organization and said that he wanted to play again. Same thing happened his 2nd time with Washington. And MJ actually formally retired, twice. Brett never did.

Michael retired because he felt that he didn't have anything "to prove" any more, he didn't have the drive he once did. That's why he did it. I just don't see at all how these two situations are comparable.

HOW DID HE PUT THE PACKERS IN A BIND?!!?!?!?!? You haven't answered that yet. They didn't need to get a new QB they had Rodgers. The offseason wasn't going to change regardless of whether or not Favre was playing.

The only point I made was they played with different teams to end their career, and both of them had worse than their typical seasons with them. No, MJ getting in gambling trouble and quitting to play baseball is NOTHING compared to what Favre did. MJ was never a distraction or a bad teammate. It was MJ who said, "There's no 'I' in team, but there is in win." Regardless, his reputation isn't tarnished, and neither will Favre's.

Gay Ork Wang
02-12-2009, 04:32 PM
HOW DID HE PUT THE PACKERS IN A BIND?!!?!?!?!? You haven't answered that yet. They didn't need to get a new QB they had Rodgers. The offseason wasn't going to change regardless of whether or not Favre was playing. It wasnt about getting a new qb, it was about commitment. If they had commited to Favre, u really think Rodgers wouldve resigned? Therefore he wouldve forced them to get a new QB after he retired after they already have one in place. going to a guy and telling him: your the guy! and then just break ur words is really not a great thing to do.


The only point I made was they played with different teams to end their career, and both of them had worse than their typical seasons with them. No, MJ getting in gambling trouble and quitting to play baseball is NOTHING compared to what Favre did. MJ was never a distraction or a bad teammate. It was MJ who said, "There's no 'I' in team, but there is in win." Regardless, his reputation isn't tarnished, and neither will Favre's.

There is still the difference in the length of the retiring which is the whole point of the discussion. Favre never retired and still caused so many problems

someone447
02-12-2009, 04:40 PM
It wasnt about getting a new qb, it was about commitment. If they had commited to Favre, u really think Rodgers wouldve resigned? Therefore he wouldve forced them to get a new QB after he retired after they already have one in place. going to a guy and telling him: your the guy! and then just break ur words is really not a great thing to do.



There is still the difference in the length of the retiring which is the whole point of the discussion. Favre never retired and still caused so many problems

Rodgers resigned before this year. He was locked up for 3 years. He knew he was the guy when Favre left, there were no promises made. Favre didn't have a decision yet, and TT forced him to make up his mind.

Yes, MJ going to the Birmingham Barons didn't cause the Bulls ANY problems...

Gay Ork Wang
02-12-2009, 04:47 PM
Rodgers resigned before this year. He was locked up for 3 years. He knew he was the guy when Favre left, there were no promises made. Favre didn't have a decision yet, and TT forced him to make up his mind.

Yes, MJ going to the Birmingham Barons didn't cause the Bulls ANY problems...

Wasnt Rodgers contract gonna run out after next season?


and well MJ said he is going to retire AND THEN played baseball. Whatever he did after his retirement is his thing isnt it? how did that cause any problems?

someone447
02-12-2009, 04:48 PM
Wasnt Rodgers contract gonna run out after next season?


and well MJ said he is going to retire AND THEN played baseball. Whatever he did after his retirement is his thing isnt it? how did that cause any problems?

I thought it was gonna run out after the season after, but I could be wrong. Regardless, he would have been offered an extension.

The reasons behind the retirement are what caused the problems, the whole gambling thing...

Gay Ork Wang
02-12-2009, 04:52 PM
I thought it was gonna run out after the season after, but I could be wrong. Regardless, he would have been offered an extension.
U really think, that he would sign an extension?


The reasons behind the retirement are what caused the problems, the whole gambling thing...

yea but that means that the problems didnt have to do with the retirment, so i dont see ur connection

someone447
02-12-2009, 05:00 PM
U really think, that he would sign an extension?



yea but that means that the problems didnt have to do with the retirment, so i dont see ur connection

Of course, he knew he had the starting job when Favre left, he would have gotten paid good money, and it would extend his career. He would be stupid not to.

My only point was that Favre didn't tarnish his legacy anymore than Jordan did. That is the absolute only thing I said in this thread.

Gay Ork Wang
02-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Of course, he knew he had the starting job when Favre left, he would have gotten paid good money, and it would extend his career. He would be stupid not to.
he couldve gotten good money somewhere else, prolly a lot more just like a starting job. The bigger problem wouldve been the fact that he had to sit so many years, who couldve known how many more years he wouldve to sit. i dont really think he wouldve resigned,


My only point was that Favre didn't tarnish his legacy anymore than Jordan did. That is the absolute only thing I said in this thread.

The fact that we are talking about it, is prove that both are tarnished. obviously the favre thing is blown out of proportion atm, but its not like its gonna be a big deal

someone447
02-12-2009, 05:57 PM
he couldve gotten good money somewhere else, prolly a lot more just like a starting job. The bigger problem wouldve been the fact that he had to sit so many years, who couldve known how many more years he wouldve to sit. i dont really think he wouldve resigned,



The fact that we are talking about it, is prove that both are tarnished. obviously the favre thing is blown out of proportion atm, but its not like its gonna be a big deal

He would have gotten starter level money from the Packers. It would be ridiculous for him to sign somewhere else. He would have gotten paid by the Pack, would have kept his body out of the firing line, and that would mean he would be able to have a longer career and make more money, at the expense of sitting another year or two. He would have signed anyway.

Exactly, that means his legacy isn't tarnished. No one really remember Jordan with the Wizards or the Barons. The people born after MJ retired won't ever even hear about it, just like the people born after Favre retires won't ever hear about it, they will just hear how he was a great QB.

sweetness34
02-12-2009, 06:18 PM
HOW DID HE PUT THE PACKERS IN A BIND?!!?!?!?!? You haven't answered that yet. They didn't need to get a new QB they had Rodgers. The offseason wasn't going to change regardless of whether or not Favre was playing.

The only point I made was they played with different teams to end their career, and both of them had worse than their typical seasons with them. No, MJ getting in gambling trouble and quitting to play baseball is NOTHING compared to what Favre did. MJ was never a distraction or a bad teammate. It was MJ who said, "There's no 'I' in team, but there is in win." Regardless, his reputation isn't tarnished, and neither will Favre's.

When he said he was coming back, that's when he put them in a bind. They made up their minds to go with Rodgers, then he told Mort or whoever that he wanted to play again A MONTH BEFORE TRAINING CAMP. Favre had all that time to enter talks with the Packers and get things cleared up, but instead, he decided to wait until June to say anything and that's how this entire thing was started.

And before you start saying "well you're a Bears fan, your view is clouded." I respect what Favre did on the football field, I hate the guy because he killed us but I respect him as a football player so this isn't just a Bears fan hating on him.

At the end of the day though, it didn't matter. He had a great start to the year and then completely tanked. Miami made a killing with Pennington, Rodgers had a great season for a rookie QB experience wise, and Favre is now retiring after one average season with the Jets.

The fact you're even trying to compare this to Jordan's retirement is pretty hilarious IMHO because they are not similar. Not once did Jordan every hold his team on the fence with his decision year, after year, after year.

Do I think GB regrets how they handled it? Nope, because statistically Rodgers had the better year, and with all their injuries I doubt even "Lord Favre" could've turned that ship around this year. Do I think the Jets regret trading for him? Yes I do. Improved OL, good running game, good receivers, and a solid defense and Favre's play knocked them out of the playoffs down the stretch. Jones and Rhodes turned on Brett at the end of the year and then there were stories about him dressing in other rooms and stuff like that, isolating himself from the team.

I truly, truly hope Brett is done because if this crap happens again this year, I will have lost all respect for that man. He's now retired for the 2nd straight year, and quite frankly I don't think he has what it takes to play in this league anymore at the level he wants to be able to.

And I find it funny that you pinpoint me as being a Bear fan in this, well aren't you a Packer fan? How are you unbiased in all this? Of course I'm not but don't call me out when you're basically in the same situation, I guarantee Favre was your favorite player in GB and you still love the guy.

sweetness34
02-12-2009, 06:20 PM
I don't think he has "tarnished" his image but if he decides to pull the same stunt again this year, I think his image will start to be tarnished.

TitleTown088
02-12-2009, 06:21 PM
Bah. Make it stop.

sweetness34
02-12-2009, 06:25 PM
Bah. Make it stop.

Hahaha yea I'm in agreement, that was my last post in this thread probably. It's beating a dead horse either way.

someone447
02-12-2009, 07:25 PM
When he said he was coming back, that's when he put them in a bind. They made up their minds to go with Rodgers, then he told Mort or whoever that he wanted to play again A MONTH BEFORE TRAINING CAMP. Favre had all that time to enter talks with the Packers and get things cleared up, but instead, he decided to wait until June to say anything and that's how this entire thing was started.

And before you start saying "well you're a Bears fan, your view is clouded." I respect what Favre did on the football field, I hate the guy because he killed us but I respect him as a football player so this isn't just a Bears fan hating on him.

At the end of the day though, it didn't matter. He had a great start to the year and then completely tanked. Miami made a killing with Pennington, Rodgers had a great season for a rookie QB experience wise, and Favre is now retiring after one average season with the Jets.

The fact you're even trying to compare this to Jordan's retirement is pretty hilarious IMHO because they are not similar. Not once did Jordan every hold his team on the fence with his decision year, after year, after year.

Do I think GB regrets how they handled it? Nope, because statistically Rodgers had the better year, and with all their injuries I doubt even "Lord Favre" could've turned that ship around this year. Do I think the Jets regret trading for him? Yes I do. Improved OL, good running game, good receivers, and a solid defense and Favre's play knocked them out of the playoffs down the stretch. Jones and Rhodes turned on Brett at the end of the year and then there were stories about him dressing in other rooms and stuff like that, isolating himself from the team.

I truly, truly hope Brett is done because if this crap happens again this year, I will have lost all respect for that man. He's now retired for the 2nd straight year, and quite frankly I don't think he has what it takes to play in this league anymore at the level he wants to be able to.

And I find it funny that you pinpoint me as being a Bear fan in this, well aren't you a Packer fan? How are you unbiased in all this? Of course I'm not but don't call me out when you're basically in the same situation, I guarantee Favre was your favorite player in GB and you still love the guy.

Do you still not get my point about MJ? He had a subpar season after he came out of retirement. Just like Favre. That was my only comparison. You are the one who jumped all over it.

The Packers FORCED HIM INTO RETIREMENT! TT forced him in, he wasn't ready, but they made the decision for him. Thats why he tried to come back.

Favre had a shoulder injury, and if not for his streak, I doubt he would have continued playing. I think Favre was worth at least 3 points a game, that would have gotten the Packers 5-6 more wins. That would have been enough for the playoffs.

I've never once claimed I am unbiased, but to say that he tarnished his image is ridiculous. Great players are always doing things like this, they always hang on too long. Look at Rice in Seattle, or countless others. The Packers forced his hand, that is what happened. It was obvious from his press conference that he didn't want to be done. Could he have handled it better? Of course, but i think TT holds much more responsibility than Favre in this situation.

Paranoidmoonduck
02-12-2009, 08:00 PM
I find all these references to the "circus" really funny. As if the fans who argue about this to a far greater extent than the media is even able to (and, then in turn, argue about the media coverage) aren't part of the Favre hype machine.

Brett has had a fantastic NFL career. He's been a pleasure to watch, even until the end. I hope he made a decision he can stand by several months from now.

Halsey
02-12-2009, 08:01 PM
Brett Favre haters are celebrating, but the press will just find different QB's to gush over. I can already tell you who the new Favre is: Roethlisberger. Now they'll have to hate Big Ben for being the media's golden boy.

Gay Ork Wang
02-13-2009, 02:08 AM
u can never be forced into doing something u dont want

holt_bruce81
02-13-2009, 04:00 AM
Brett Favre haters are celebrating, but the press will just find different QB's to gush over. I can already tell you who the new Favre is: Roethlisberger. Now they'll have to hate Big Ben for being the media's golden boy.

"He's so Big and So Strong"

Ha, John Madden must of said that 10 times during the Super Bowl about Big Ben.

someone447
02-13-2009, 11:06 AM
u can never be forced into doing something u dont want

You've obviously never had a job... Nor been raped...

Gay Ork Wang
02-13-2009, 11:20 AM
You've obviously never had a job... Nor been raped...
u want to do the things while having a job. I mean u decide: i dont like the thing, but hell i better do that or im getting fired. So u obiviously arent forced to do it.

Rape on the other site isnt really anything u do, its more like just being forced. Your forced. your not forced to do stuff.

someone447
02-13-2009, 11:23 AM
u want to do the things while having a job. I mean u decide: i dont like the thing, but hell i better do that or im getting fired. So u obiviously arent forced to do it.

Rape on the other site isnt really anything u do, its more like just being forced. Your forced. your not forced to do stuff.

Exactly, you don't have a choice in the matter. It's like what Bill Hicks said, "Americans have freedom of choice, the freedom to work, or the freedom to starve."

You are forced to have sex.

Saints-Tigers
02-13-2009, 11:31 AM
Come on, I don't hate Favre, I always thought he was a good guy, but seriously, he loves the attention he gets every off season when he is "making his decision" or outright retiring.

If you want to play football, there is no "decision" to be made, you are either all the way in, and if you aren't, then I don't want you, Brett wanted the Packers to pine for hm to come back, and plead for him to return and save them, and it busted his ego when they moved on so swiftly, because they knew that Aaron was the better QB now.

Brett decided to make his return because he was hurt by the Packers moving on without him, because every year everyone pleaded that he stay. Humble as anyone? Give me a break, Brett is a very confident and even cocky guy, it's part of what makes him the player he is, he's never afraid, and he always takes big risks, because he thinks he can get himself out of anything, and for a number of years, he could.

Brett could have retired immediately a few times, and fade off slowly into the sunset.

I wouldn't say his legacy is tainted or what not, doesn't matter if he comes back next year and throws 40 picks, guys aren't remember for what they did as a shadow of themselves, the real fans are going to remember MVP Brett, his moments that were great(even if we are sick of them right now), him raising his helmet and running down the field like a 7 year old when they won the super bowl, coming out and lighting it up on the eve of his father's death, hell, even the 6 TD's with the Jets, a moment that brought the old Brett back for a game.

All that being said, he was a great great player, and I think, a great guy, he was the face of the league for a while, lead the resurgence of a historic franchise, is one of the greatest QB's to ever suit up, and a pleasure to watch as a fan. But for right now, I'm just tired of hearing about him, he isn't Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky, and the shock of Favre retiring wore off 4 years ago, now I'm just ready for him to hang it up so we can stop talking about it.

And comparing Favre's situation to being raped is stupid, and not something that should even be alluded to at all, it's just moronic, and you aren't getting your point across well at all, just making yourself look like an insensitive prick.

Not something to joke about, just stop.

Gay Ork Wang
02-13-2009, 11:34 AM
Exactly, you don't have a choice in the matter. It's like what Bill Hicks said, "Americans have freedom of choice, the freedom to work, or the freedom to starve."

You are forced to have sex.
lemme think about it, but i might be wrong, i think what i meant is that u cant want to be forced.

tjsunstein
02-13-2009, 11:55 AM
Come on, I don't hate Favre, I always thought he was a good guy, but seriously, he loves the attention he gets every off season when he is "making his decision" or outright retiring.

If you want to play football, there is no "decision" to be made, you are either all the way in, and if you aren't, then I don't want you, Brett wanted the Packers to pine for hm to come back, and plead for him to return and save them, and it busted his ego when they moved on so swiftly, because they knew that Aaron was the better QB now.
They didn't know Aaron was the better QB. That's just dumb. They knew Brett's time was running out and Aaron's contract was also running out after this season. So they gave Aaron a shot to compete so he would atleast consider resigining. If they didnt give him a shot to compete, you think he would stick around? I doubt it. So say they give Brett the job back, Aaron is another year behind Favre. Season Ends. Rodgers hits FA and signs elsewhere, Favre somehow comes back another year and retires after that season. Pretty much wastes a first round pick.

Brett decided to make his return because he was hurt by the Packers moving on without him, because every year everyone pleaded that he stay. Humble as anyone? Give me a break, Brett is a very confident and even cocky guy, it's part of what makes him the player he is, he's never afraid, and he always takes big risks, because he thinks he can get himself out of anything, and for a number of years, he could.

No. He made his decision to retire in the first place because the Packers were saying he wasn't going to be handed the job and he had to compete. He came back to compete for that job and then the Packers said he couldnt and thus he was traded to the Jets. Is it wrong for the guy to come back for the love of the game? He obviously wanted to play, and preferably for the Packers but he wouldnt have accepted the trade to the Jets if he was only coming back because the Packers were moving on without him.

Brett could have retired immediately a few times, and fade off slowly into the sunset.
Same with Jordan, same with Clemens, same with Gretzkey. Did they? No.

I wouldn't say his legacy is tainted or what not, doesn't matter if he comes back next year and throws 40 picks, guys aren't remember for what they did as a shadow of themselves, the real fans are going to remember MVP Brett, his moments that were great(even if we are sick of them right now), him raising his helmet and running down the field like a 7 year old when they won the super bowl, coming out and lighting it up on the eve of his father's death, hell, even the 6 TD's with the Jets, a moment that brought the old Brett back for a game.

Then we agree. We have differing views on how it all went down. People are saying he tarnished his legacy by retiring and unretiring. He wasn't and still isnt the kind of guy that likes the spotlight. He just happens to be in it, he didnt intentionally put himself in it. He was the Packers QB for the last decade and a half and the only time before this he was in the spotlight was for his addiction to pain killers and his father's death. I think if he enjoyed the spotlight he would have put himself in it a bit more than that the last 17 years.

All that being said, he was a great great player, and I think, a great guy, he was the face of the league for a while, lead the resurgence of a historic franchise, is one of the greatest QB's to ever suit up, and a pleasure to watch as a fan. But for right now, I'm just tired of hearing about him, he isn't Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky, and the shock of Favre retiring wore off 4 years ago, now I'm just ready for him to hang it up so we can stop talking about it.

His situation does compare to Jordan's and Gretzky's. You have the great player who cant give the game up after retiring once, unretiring, and coming back for another team. The initial shock wore off the first time with these guys as well. It's not like Favre retired 4 years ago, he was pondering retirement. There's a difference. It's not about shock value.

And comparing Favre's situation to being raped is stupid, and not something that should even be alluded to at all, it's just moronic, and you aren't getting your point across well at all, just making yourself look like an insensitive prick.

Not something to joke about, just stop.

Responses in bold.

someone447
02-13-2009, 11:58 AM
Come on, I don't hate Favre, I always thought he was a good guy, but seriously, he loves the attention he gets every off season when he is "making his decision" or outright retiring.

If you want to play football, there is no "decision" to be made, you are either all the way in, and if you aren't, then I don't want you, Brett wanted the Packers to pine for hm to come back, and plead for him to return and save them, and it busted his ego when they moved on so swiftly, because they knew that Aaron was the better QB now.

Brett decided to make his return because he was hurt by the Packers moving on without him, because every year everyone pleaded that he stay. Humble as anyone? Give me a break, Brett is a very confident and even cocky guy, it's part of what makes him the player he is, he's never afraid, and he always takes big risks, because he thinks he can get himself out of anything, and for a number of years, he could.

Brett could have retired immediately a few times, and fade off slowly into the sunset.

I wouldn't say his legacy is tainted or what not, doesn't matter if he comes back next year and throws 40 picks, guys aren't remember for what they did as a shadow of themselves, the real fans are going to remember MVP Brett, his moments that were great(even if we are sick of them right now), him raising his helmet and running down the field like a 7 year old when they won the super bowl, coming out and lighting it up on the eve of his father's death, hell, even the 6 TD's with the Jets, a moment that brought the old Brett back for a game.

All that being said, he was a great great player, and I think, a great guy, he was the face of the league for a while, lead the resurgence of a historic franchise, is one of the greatest QB's to ever suit up, and a pleasure to watch as a fan. But for right now, I'm just tired of hearing about him, he isn't Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky, and the shock of Favre retiring wore off 4 years ago, now I'm just ready for him to hang it up so we can stop talking about it.

And comparing Favre's situation to being raped is stupid, and not something that should even be alluded to at all, it's just moronic, and you aren't getting your point across well at all, just making yourself look like an insensitive prick.

Not something to joke about, just stop.

I wasn't comparing the situations at all... *** Orc Wang has just been saying that in multiple threads, and he is flat out wrong. That was a digression from the Favre discussion, and it wasn't a joke. Being raped is being forced to do something against your will.

Plus, rape is something that can be joked about. Anything serious is worthy of jokes, it takes the weight out of the situation, its a way to cope. You are being much too oversensitive.

Gay Ork Wang
02-13-2009, 12:12 PM
I wasn't comparing the situations at all... *** Orc Wang has just been saying that in multiple threads, and he is flat out wrong. That was a digression from the Favre discussion, and it wasn't a joke. Being raped is being forced to do something against your will.

Plus, rape is something that can be joked about. Anything serious is worthy of jokes, it takes the weight out of the situation, its a way to cope. You are being much too oversensitive.
yea he wasnt, it was a seperate discussion. but i think i know where i made my mistake

Saints-Tigers
02-13-2009, 01:06 PM
I disagree though about Aaron, the Packers had seen enough in camp and in practice to know what they had, barring a crumble under expectations, but they were really comfortable moving forth and placing the entire franchise on Aaron's shoulders.

I also disagree about Mike, retiring and returning a year and a half later isn't the same as retiring in the off season, and returning in the offseason.

tjsunstein
02-13-2009, 09:32 PM
I disagree though about Aaron, the Packers had seen enough in camp and in practice to know what they had, barring a crumble under expectations, but they were really comfortable moving forth and placing the entire franchise on Aaron's shoulders.

I also disagree about Mike, retiring and returning a year and a half later isn't the same as retiring in the off season, and returning in the offseason.

They had seen enough to give him a fair chance at the job considering he was a first round investment after all but Favre ducked out on that initially and tried to come back into the same situation and the organization wasn't having it. I think after Favre ducked out in when they fully put the team on Aaron and if they let Favre run in and out when he pleased, what does that do to Aaron's confidence? Nothing good. Without going into it more pychologically, Aaron was appointed the guy when Favre ducked out on the offer on the table before he announced his retirement. Not before.

It's the same concept, you're looking way too far into the situation. I was just using the general idea of not being able to stay away from the game.

princefielder28
02-14-2009, 06:44 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/brett-behind-the-facemask/

a wonderful read