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Scott Wright
02-21-2009, 09:46 AM
The Draft Countdown Scouting Combine Coverage is Live:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/ScoutingCombine.php

Discuss all the happenings in this thread!

Smokey Joe
02-21-2009, 10:07 AM
Did they measure the lineman's arms already? I'd like to see that and compare it with their bench reps. The longer arms someone has, the tougher it is to rep out a lot bench presses.

Also, is the only tv coverage of the combine the 3 hours on NFLN each day?

Paul
02-21-2009, 10:10 AM
5.54 for Loadholt.

Go_Eagles77
02-21-2009, 10:14 AM
Eugene Monroe: 5.28.

Smokey Joe
02-21-2009, 10:14 AM
40 is almost pointless for linemen.

Go_Eagles77
02-21-2009, 10:17 AM
Michael Oher: 5.37.

jballa838
02-21-2009, 10:17 AM
this is painful

Xonraider
02-21-2009, 10:18 AM
lol Andre Smith is lost.. pathetic

jared
02-21-2009, 10:25 AM
Anybody see Lydon Murtha? He looks like a hoss and ran a 4.85.

soxscout
02-21-2009, 10:30 AM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live/app

On the 40 yard dash cam they are leaving Mayock/Eison/Billick/ect mics open even when the real NFLN coverage goes to something else. Ripping people left and right durring commercials.

Last commercial they asked Mayock about Smith and said "I am going to keep him at #5 just because he is a talking point, but he is already off some team's boards."

DJC
02-21-2009, 10:30 AM
Jamon Meredith with a 4.97. Jason Smith with a 5.14.

Jason Watkins is failing the combine.

Mr.Regular
02-21-2009, 10:33 AM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live/app

On the 40 yard dash cam they are leaving Mayock/Eison/Billick/ect mics open even when the real NFLN coverage goes to something else. Ripping people left and right durring commercials.

Last commercial they asked Mayock about Smith and said "I am going to keep him at #5 just because he is a talking point, but he is already off some team's boards."
Wow, thats hillarious.
NFL.com isn't working for me, so im using justin.tv
Any other good nuggets you have to share?

soxscout
02-21-2009, 10:39 AM
Nothing major, just some disturbing stuff about Herman Johnson's mother birthing him and gushed over Jason Smith, Mayock said he could end up going #2 to STL.

ChosenOne
02-21-2009, 10:47 AM
10 weeks out for Crabtree...stress fracture.

Xiomera
02-21-2009, 10:48 AM
10 weeks out for Crabtree...stress fracture.

According to Adam Schefter . . . interesting.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 10:49 AM
No pro day, means a team will have to draft Crabtree based on gametape and interviews and workouts not involving feet, what a shame (rollseyes). If someone passes on him just b/c he doesn't run a 40 will be regretting it.

princefielder28
02-21-2009, 10:50 AM
10 weeks out for Crabtree...stress fracture.

Wow! That's rough

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 10:51 AM
Good run by Meredith. I'm beginning to think he really can play tackle in the pros.

JFLO
02-21-2009, 10:55 AM
Jason Watkins stock has took a major tumble so far

Only 18 reps with a 5.5, ouch!

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 10:56 AM
Andre Smith is a joke. Too bad Alex Mack can't work out.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 10:57 AM
Good run by Meredith. I'm beginning to think he really can play tackle in the pros.

Yeah but how well?

We all knew he would test out very well but, he was getting beat by everyone regardless of where he played on the line this year. The tools are certainly there but, the fact remains he has been flat out terrible at times for us. Such an inconsistant performer, the fact that he was so overrated among scouts and draftniks at the beginning of the year was baffling. A workout warrior with good feet but, production is terrible. He never put everything together. It's true that he gives you a lot to work with but, he just hasnt been all that good. He's not one of my favorites.

Go_Eagles77
02-21-2009, 11:00 AM
Meredith has a very high bust factor, I wouldn't want the eagles to take him unless he lasted til the 4th round.

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 11:07 AM
I think Joel Bell is an interesting small school player. Has done well at the Combine so far.

TACKLE
02-21-2009, 11:13 AM
They should show the 10 and 20 yard splits for the O-Line instead of the 40's. There were several guys who looked great off the start but you could tell that they just weren't sprinters. I know the common fan only cares about the forty but I would like to see them show both the 40 and the 10.

JFLO
02-21-2009, 11:22 AM
I'm starting to like Brandon Walker from OU a lot, he's looked really good and has shown quick reactions.

Babylon
02-21-2009, 11:27 AM
40 time for Britton and Beatty would be appreciated.

ChosenOne
02-21-2009, 11:29 AM
Beatty: 5.03

Britton: 5.15

Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2009, 11:44 AM
Official Top Eleven O-line times:

Murtha - 4.89

Meredith - 5.03

Fulton - 5.04

Beatty - 5.12

Cadogan -5.12

Luigs - 5.14

Bell - 5.15

Britton - 5.16

Walker - 5.17

Cooper - 5.18

Jason Smith - 5.22

bwillie26
02-21-2009, 11:45 AM
Anybody see Lydon Murtha? He looks like a hoss and ran a 4.85.

I've said for months Murtha would impress if he got invited. Unfortunately for him, he looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 11:47 AM
Bring on the TE's. I wanna see some pass catching.

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 11:47 AM
I'm hoping Beatty's is a typo.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 11:51 AM
lol...it is.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 11:51 AM
Yeah it was 5.12

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 11:52 AM
Cant wait to see Jared Cook run that 40. He's such a stubborn/questionable maturity guy but, I sure as hell love him. haha.

Triumphdog
02-21-2009, 11:53 AM
Is it just me or does Oher like a lot like Beanie Wells...

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 11:58 AM
Ship is just a ball of mass. haha.

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 11:59 AM
Gonna go ahead and say it;

Jared Cook will beast the 40


(By saying this, I'll either look like a genius or a homer dumbass)

quincyyyyy
02-21-2009, 12:02 PM
When do the D-lineman weigh in?

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:04 PM
Does anyone have Jared Cook's official weight?

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 12:11 PM
Jared Cook just beasted the vertical jump. Number one so far with 41". Number two James Casey had 36".

B-Dawk
02-21-2009, 12:13 PM
Does anyone have Jared Cook's official weight?

6'5" 246 i believe

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:14 PM
So Cook is a legit 6'5 at 250 with a 41" vertical.

Oh yes.

I remember when SCAR fans used to get accussed of overrating him as a pro prospect. HA.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 12:16 PM
Is it just me or does Oher like a lot like Beanie Wells...

haha, when Oher was about to run the forty my dad walked in the room and said "is that Beanie?"

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 12:17 PM
So Cook is a legit 6'5 at 250 with a 41" vertical.

Oh yes.

Yep, that's why I increased the text size of my guarantee. Looks like those rumors of his freaky athleticism are true.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:19 PM
Yep, that's why I increased the size of my guarantee. Looks like those rumors of his freaky athleticism are true.

He was touted by his teammates as the next Calvin Johnson as a SO.

Then he moved to TE full time and put on that weight...now he may be just as impressive as Vernon Davis at the combine...but the difference is, he can actually play at a very high level.

Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2009, 12:19 PM
I already considered Cook a late 2nd rounder, he could move up into that top half of the second, or late first if someone loves him.

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 12:23 PM
Chase Daniel is a legit 6'0. Not great, but better than his rumored 5'10.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 12:23 PM
Yep, that's why I increased the text size of my guarantee. Looks like those rumors of his freaky athleticism are true.

He was rumored to be a 4.4 guy too, possibly even 4.38/4.39 territory. I wonder what he'll run.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:24 PM
He was rumored to be a 4.4 guy too, possibly even 4.38/4.39 territory. I wonder what he'll run.

He did run in the high 4.3's apparently but, that was a good 20-25 pounds ago.

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 12:24 PM
He was rumored to be a 4.4 guy too, possibly even 4.38/4.39 territory. I wonder what he'll run.

Probably somewhere in 4.4 range, something like a 4.48.

The Legend
02-21-2009, 12:33 PM
4.54 is my bet

jballa838
02-21-2009, 12:34 PM
He is 6'5. Thats a long stride. Cook will run a 4.45
EDIT: he ran a 4.42 run 1

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 12:34 PM
4.42 Jared Cook unofficially.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:34 PM
Cook 4.42. Hell yes!!

The Legend
02-21-2009, 12:34 PM
4.42 WOW!!! I was off

Chris Johnson ran a 4.31 unofficially then it became a 4.24 officially
So who knows that can drop to a 4.39 maybe. 4.4 May put him in the 1st round.

ChosenOne
02-21-2009, 12:34 PM
Jared Cook 4.42

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:34 PM
4.42! Wow. Jared Cook

bwillie26
02-21-2009, 12:35 PM
Cook's time looked nowhere close to 4.42

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:35 PM
Cook even came out of his stance real sloppy...he can top that.

TACKLE
02-21-2009, 12:36 PM
6'5 250, 4.42 forty, 41" vert.

Solid day for Jared Cook.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:36 PM
He also had the best broad jump at 10'3"

Chio151
02-21-2009, 12:36 PM
Jared Cook could play Calvin Johnson on your scout team.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:38 PM
4.71 isnt a bad time but, I was hoping Casey would time a little better than that.

TACKLE
02-21-2009, 12:39 PM
From the combine prediction thread (I know it wasn't THAT bold but still...)

Also Jared Cook will have huge combine and will also be put in the 1st round discussion whether its warranted or not.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:39 PM
Ingram with a 4.62

The Legend
02-21-2009, 12:39 PM
I looked at the 40 time again. 1 I think he could do better. 2. I think that 40 time is going to go higher maybe a 4.5

Ingram & Cook next 40 time will be even more impressive

619
02-21-2009, 12:40 PM
I hope Ingram gets off to a better start his next time up.

Go_Eagles77
02-21-2009, 12:41 PM
Watching TEs run 40s is so much better than OLs, can't wait til tomorrow.

The Legend
02-21-2009, 12:42 PM
I hope Ingram gets off to a better start his next time up.

If he really ran a 4.6 with that horrible start then he can easily run a 4.5 maybe a 4.4

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:42 PM
Tomorrow is gonna be great.

Chio151
02-21-2009, 12:42 PM
James Casey is so tremendously overrated as a tight end. You would need a highly specialized offense and role for him to be a regular player. He's a wide receiver who got into body building.

619
02-21-2009, 12:43 PM
If he really ran a 4.6 with that horrible start then he can easily run a 4.5 maybe a 4.4

I think he'll break a sub 4.5 easily.

DiG
02-21-2009, 12:43 PM
someone let me know when phillips runs. hes my sleeper te this year.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:45 PM
someone let me know when phillips runs. hes my sleeper te this year.

After Pettigrew.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:45 PM
Gotta love Pettigrew's shoes.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:46 PM
Pettigrew with a 4.85

619
02-21-2009, 12:46 PM
Not the hottest time for Pettigrew.

Strongside
02-21-2009, 12:47 PM
I thought that looked faster, I got 4.81

Go_Eagles77
02-21-2009, 12:48 PM
Nelson had 4.53 they just said. Nice.

DiG
02-21-2009, 12:48 PM
i think phillpis should break the low 4.7s or high 4.6s with his next run. hes faster than 4.77

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:50 PM
Casey then Cook.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 12:51 PM
I expected somewhere between 4.7 and 4.8 for Pettigrew, he had a bad start and a go a 4.85. That's fine for him, he's not a guy with a load of down the field speed. His technique is great and his blocking is fantastic for a TE, he should be a top 20 pick.

I'm liking the 4.42 for Cook.

jballa838
02-21-2009, 12:51 PM
Bronson went 4.71. CWU Represent!

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 12:51 PM
Cook's next.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:51 PM
James Casey got a 4.72 on the second run.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:52 PM
Calling the 4.39 here.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:52 PM
Oh man. Thank God he's ok. 4.49

Todd Bertuzzi
02-21-2009, 12:52 PM
4.45 for Cook.

RaiderNation
02-21-2009, 12:52 PM
Pulled a hamstring???

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:53 PM
4.45 is still blazing. Fantastic times for Jared...I hate how he comes out of his stance initially.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 12:53 PM
4.42 and 4.45 is great for a guy that's 6-5/250. The 41" vertical leap is even more impressive. He can be a good flex TE at the next level with the right offense.

GB12
02-21-2009, 12:55 PM
What was Beckum's time?

The Legend
02-21-2009, 12:55 PM
4.4 & 4.5 are great for times for someone who's 250 pounds

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:55 PM
What was Beckum's time?

He didnt run.

The Legend
02-21-2009, 12:56 PM
What was Beckum's time?

didn't run....

jballa838
02-21-2009, 12:56 PM
Keeping your head down isn't the best idea. It should be a gradual raise of your shoulders and you should be tall striding out at 20-25 yards. Getting your head up elongates your stride another inch or two, but those add up. The drive phase is where you need to keep your head down and get up to top speed faster.

/rant on running form

Mr.Regular
02-21-2009, 12:57 PM
Cook is killing the Combine. #1 for TE's in Vertical Jump, Broad Jump, and 40.

Go_Eagles77
02-21-2009, 12:57 PM
What are the chances Cook gets into the 1st round after today?

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:57 PM
The Gamecocks really should tear up this combine from a numbers stand point. As expected, Meredith and Cook both looked great. Again though, I wouldnt drink the Meredith kool-aid.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:58 PM
I was never good with the whole sprinters stance when I first tried it, but I mustered out a 4.5 before I graduated. Keep your head down through the first 10-15 yards and explode through the rest.

The Legend
02-21-2009, 12:58 PM
What are the chances Cook gets into the 1st round after today?

Eagles at 28 are his chances lol.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 12:59 PM
Nelson with a 4.55 unofficial.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 12:59 PM
What are the chances Cook gets into the 1st round after today?

I've been liking his chances for a while. He's not the greatest blocker but, he's willing and he's a tough guy...he gets in there. He's a spectacular mismatch...who's athletiscm does indeed translate to the field well.

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 01:00 PM
What are the chances Cook gets into the 1st round after today?

Pretty high. Falcons and Eagles would have to consider him.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:01 PM
Pettigrew with a 4.97.

Strongside
02-21-2009, 01:01 PM
Pettigrew had a terrible start there, he jumped right up

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 01:01 PM
Not even being a homer...the crop of guys the Gamecocks have there ALL have a chance to be fast risers. (Meredith, Cook, Mckinley, Brinkley, Munnerlyn, E Cook, Succop) A great class.

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 01:02 PM
Eesh, 4.85, I didn't think that would affect him too much. 4.97, that's a different story. Wanna see the official numbers.

quincyyyyy
02-21-2009, 01:02 PM
When do the d-linemen weigh in?

Mr.Regular
02-21-2009, 01:02 PM
Pettigrew looks sloooooow.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:02 PM
John Phillips with a 4.77

B-Dawk
02-21-2009, 01:02 PM
pettigrew's technique seemed terrible, probably souldve gotten mid 4.7 with better coaching

Strongside
02-21-2009, 01:03 PM
pettigrew's technique seemed terrible, probably souldve gotten mid 4.7 with better coaching

He gave up on it

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 01:03 PM
Some choppy steps from Peittigrew...he def. is slow but, technique work would shave a little time off of that 4.85.

The Legend
02-21-2009, 01:04 PM
Pettigrew just doesnt even know anything about running 40 times.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 01:04 PM
Pettigrew again. hmm.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:04 PM
Pettigrew to run one more.

kiranadwaney
02-21-2009, 01:04 PM
maybe pettigrew falls to the falcons now. although he will run again

Todd Bertuzzi
02-21-2009, 01:05 PM
Yeah, his back foot was hovering off the ground. His speed has always been his weakness, but he is a great blocker, has great hands and runs solid routes. They just announced he's gonna run again.

Go_Eagles77
02-21-2009, 01:05 PM
Pettigrew's running again.

Edit: 4.87, better but still meh.

Mr.Regular
02-21-2009, 01:05 PM
The Tight End class has some interesting prospects....
Cook and Nelson look like fast risers, Ingram and Beckum are also intriguing. Plus Pettigrew of course, and then after all those it's easy to forget about Coffman. Some good 2nd-3rd rounders for sure for those teams looking for a TE that miss out on Pettigrew in the 1st.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:05 PM
Pettigrew with a 4.87

FuzzyGopher
02-21-2009, 01:05 PM
Lol, Pettigrew is no track star but he has nice production. I don't think his times will hurt him THAT much.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 01:06 PM
Much better that time around with the technique...i dont like his stride at all, though.

Strongside
02-21-2009, 01:06 PM
Who taught Pettigrew how to run a 40? jeez, I think he could get at least 4.75 with proper form

Todd Bertuzzi
02-21-2009, 01:06 PM
maybe pettigrew falls to the falcons now. although he will run again

Sorry, but I can't see him falling past 21. I'm praying that Brown or Orakpo are there at 11 for the Bills so they won't take Pettigrew.

d34ng3l021
02-21-2009, 01:07 PM
Pettigrew's 40 time has nothing to do with his success on the field. He seems to be more of a natural pass catcher while being a good blocker. Hopefully he is there at #24 and the Falcons look at him.

I wonder if the Falcons look at Jared Cook after today. I would assume we would like a balanced tight end moreso than a pass catching one, but those numbers are hard to ignore. How is he on the field? What about blocking?

espfootball92
02-21-2009, 01:08 PM
Lol, Pettigrew is no track star but he has nice production. I don't think his times will hurt him THAT much.

Nice production? How many touchdowns did he have this season?

The Legend
02-21-2009, 01:09 PM
I'm going to make an early call out and say Brian Cushing runs a 4.56 which would be amazing at his size.

FuzzyGopher
02-21-2009, 01:09 PM
Nice production? How many touchdowns did he have this season?

In terms of blocking and making the most of his opportunities. Just because he doesn't have 1500 yards and 15 touchowns doesn't mean he is unproductive.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:10 PM
472 yards with 0 touchdowns. Still 1st round worthy.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 01:11 PM
Pettigrew's 40 time has nothing to do with his success on the field. He seems to be more of a natural pass catcher while being a good blocker. Hopefully he is there at #24 and the Falcons look at him.

I wonder if the Falcons look at Jared Cook after today. I would assume we would like a balanced tight end moreso than a pass catching one, but those numbers are hard to ignore. How is he on the field? What about blocking?

I posted this on the last page...

He's not the greatest blocker but, he's willing and he's a tough guy...he gets in there. He's a spectacular mismatch...who's athletiscm does indeed translate to the field well.

His hands also could use some work...they're good but, i wouldnt call them great. But he does have massive soft hands. I think when the coaches turn on the film, it's going to help his case even more. 1st round is looking more and more likely...and the door is open for him to really shine if that hammy is good to go.

Todd Bertuzzi
02-21-2009, 01:11 PM
I'm going to make an early call out and say Brian Cushing runs a 4.56 which would be amazing at his size.

Can't wait to see his road to the draft feature.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:12 PM
I'm calling a Maclin faster 40 then Harvin. Def rescinding a prior statement about Harvin running the fastest one.

FuzzyGopher
02-21-2009, 01:12 PM
472 yards with 0 touchdowns. Still 1st round worthy.

He also missed 4 games with an injury.

draftguru151
02-21-2009, 01:12 PM
Cameron Morrah has had a pretty decent combine.

Todd Bertuzzi
02-21-2009, 01:13 PM
472 yards with 0 touchdowns. Still 1st round worthy.

Well if you look at his career numbers he has 112 receptions with 1450 yards and 9 TDs which is pretty good.

d34ng3l021
02-21-2009, 01:13 PM
I posted this on the last page...



His hands also could use some work...they're good but, i wouldnt call them great. But he does have massive soft hands. I think when the coaches turn on the film, it's going to help his case even more. 1st round is looking more and more likely...and the door is open for him to really shine if that hammy is good to go.

Ah, I must have missed it. That sounds very promising. I hope the Falcons check him out. He could be great for the middle of the field with Matt Ryan.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:13 PM
Thank God for some pass catching.

The Legend
02-21-2009, 01:13 PM
Can't wait to see his road to the draft feature.

The commercials made it sound like he could run a 4.4 which would make me go crazy.

619
02-21-2009, 01:14 PM
I'm calling a Maclin faster 40 then Harvin. Def rescinding a prior statement about Harvin running the fastest one.

Maclin's now my guy to run the fastest 40 as well. I'm just hoping someone can break a sub 4.3 tomorrow.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:14 PM
Well if you look at his career numbers he has 112 receptions with 1450 yards and 9 TDs which is pretty good.

Yeah I saw that on OSU's site. I'm more concerned with tools then stats and he's got plenty.

The Legend
02-21-2009, 01:14 PM
what 40 time do you guys think Donald Brown will run tomorrow?

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:15 PM
Maclin's now my guy to run the fastest 40 as well. I'm just hoping someone can break a sub 4.3 tomorrow.

Yeah I'm doubting any Chris Johnson type efforts tomorrow.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 01:15 PM
Dammit Cook's out.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:16 PM
I'm thinking Brown shocks the world and cracks below 4.5. I wouldn't bet on it though.

Todd Bertuzzi
02-21-2009, 01:17 PM
Yeah I saw that on OSU's site. I'm more concerned with tools then stats and he's got plenty.

Well he has great hands and runs pretty nice routes. The only real knock on him is his speed.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:18 PM
Too bad Cook can't do any the receiving drills. Would have capped off a great day.

619
02-21-2009, 01:19 PM
Well he has great hands and runs pretty nice routes. The only real knock on him is his speed.

It's no big deal. I'm an Oakland fan and I'm just fine with Miller's 4.9 speed.

coordinator0
02-21-2009, 01:20 PM
It's no big deal. I'm an Oakland fan and I'm just fine with Miller's 4.9 speed.

You've got yourself a great point there. Fall to Baltimore Pettigrew...

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:27 PM
So now Crabtree said he'll work out at his pro day. More info to follow.

B-Dawk
02-21-2009, 01:31 PM
i see somewhere around a 4.45 for brown tomorrow

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 01:33 PM
So does Cook's awesome day, combined with Pettigrew's less than spectacular speed, make him the new number one tight end?

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 01:33 PM
Whenever I think gauntlet drill...I always remember Colston dropping like every pass. ha.

quincyyyyy
02-21-2009, 01:33 PM
So does anyone know when the d-lineman weigh in?

ThePudge
02-21-2009, 01:35 PM
I don't mean to seem needy, but could you guys post all or most of the 40 times as I can't seem to find an NFLN live feed today.

619
02-21-2009, 01:35 PM
So does Cook's awesome day, combined with Pettigrew's less than spectacular speed, make him the new number one tight end?

Nope. I don't think Pettigrew's 40 will change any scout's mind on him as a prospect.

Babylon
02-21-2009, 01:36 PM
So does Cook's awesome day, combined with Pettigrew's less than spectacular speed, make him the new number one tight end?


Doubt it. John Carlson didnt exactly burn up the track last year and was the best rookie TE last year i believe. I'll admit i havent seen Cook play a ton but Pettigrew will go before him in my mind. Not sure that his combine translates to round 1 though.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:36 PM
I'd guess Monday on the d-lineman, but info isn't a plenty on the web right now. Pettigrew imo is still #1.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:38 PM
I don't mean to seem needy, but could you guys post all or most of the 40 times as I can't seem to find an NFLN live feed today.

Cook 4.50
Nelson 4.56
Morrah 4.66
Ingram 4.68
Branson 4.71
Johnson 4.73
Bronson 4.76
Sperry 4.77

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 01:39 PM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 01:39 PM
So does Cook's awesome day, combined with Pettigrew's less than spectacular speed, make him the new number one tight end?

I wouldnt go that far...his pro day will be important when it comes to 1st round placement. There are still questions about his overall blocking ability and scouts/representitves obviously would like to see how the athleticsm translates in some of these drills first hand. He did have a hell of a day, though...I say he's going to go in the 1st but, he doesnt get to #1 today.

Cigaro
02-21-2009, 01:53 PM
Doubt it. John Carlson didnt exactly burn up the track last year and was the best rookie TE last year i believe. I'll admit i havent seen Cook play a ton but Pettigrew will go before him in my mind. Not sure that his combine translates to round 1 though.

Not talking about how they'll end up in the pros, talking about the predraft rankings and then selection order.

Cook 4.50
.02 off, not bad.
Probably somewhere in 4.4 range, something like a 4.48.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 02:06 PM
Brian Orakpo weighs in at 6-3/263. James Laurinaitis is 6-1 7/8 and 244.

gpngc
02-21-2009, 02:09 PM
Doubt it. John Carlson didnt exactly burn up the track last year and was the best rookie TE last year i believe. I'll admit i havent seen Cook play a ton but Pettigrew will go before him in my mind. Not sure that his combine translates to round 1 though.

Yes.

Carlson ran a 4.9. Pett is still the best TE in this class and probably won't fall past Atlanta.

underscore
02-21-2009, 02:25 PM
Maurice Evans measured in at only 6'1. He bulked up to 274. He seems to be in a tweener mold now.

sbh15
02-21-2009, 02:29 PM
Cornelius Ingram...

He's probably 85% or maybe a bit higher, but a 4.6 is not bad for a guy weighing 240 or so...

He's a stud athlete, I think he probably runs a 4.5 at 100%

AkiliSmith
02-21-2009, 02:29 PM
Orakpo's arms look bigger than most of the offensive lineman's legs

gpngc
02-21-2009, 02:32 PM
This just in: Brian Orakpo is versatile.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 02:32 PM
Maybin said he weighed in around 250. He was 6-3 6/7 which is essentially 6-4.


I think the questions with Orakpo aren't as much about his ability to play OLB in a 3-4, they might be about his consistency and his pass rushing moves. He has a better first step and more closing speed to the QB than Everette Brown, but Brown has a much better pass rushing reportoire to go with a great first step and fantastic straight line speed and agility.

sbh15
02-21-2009, 02:40 PM
Anyone know what day Percy works out? Anxious to see what numbers he puts up.

Really interested in his 40 and bench numbers.

M.O.T.H.
02-21-2009, 02:43 PM
Anyone know what day Percy works out? Anxious to see what numbers he puts up.

Really interested in his 40 and bench numbers.

He goes tomorrow.

The only info out right now is his height/weight and that would be...

5'11 192 lbs

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 02:52 PM
Alex Boone's been quietly doing very well in workouts. At 6-7/328 he ran a 5.17 forty yard dash and lifted 225 lbs. 33 times. If he didn't have major character problems and didn't look really bad at the East-West Shrine and get tazered recently by the cops game his stock would be going up and not down.

Babylon
02-21-2009, 03:01 PM
Not talking about how they'll end up in the pros, talking about the predraft rankings and then selection order.


.02 off, not bad.


The doubt it was referring to the question will Cook leapfrog Pettigrew.

GB12
02-21-2009, 03:05 PM
Alex Boone's been quietly doing very well in workouts. At 6-7/328 he ran a 5.17 forty yard dash and lifted 225 lbs. 33 times. If he didn't have major character problems and didn't look really bad at the East-West Shrine and get tazered recently by the cops game his stock would be going up and not down.
Completely off topic, but that line in your sig is stupid. Real teams don't put dumb little stickers for individual accomplishment on their helmets.

AkiliSmith
02-21-2009, 03:16 PM
Completely off topic, but that line in your sig is stupid. Real teams don't put dumb little stickers for individual accomplishment on their helmets.
Don't most college teams do that?

Don Vito
02-21-2009, 03:18 PM
Completely off topic, but that line in your sig is stupid. Real teams don't put dumb little stickers for individual accomplishment on their helmets.


Thats awesome, I'm putting that in my sig.

sbh15
02-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Don't most college teams do that?

Some, but no team gives more pride stickers or whatever than OSU.

You'll find a lot on a bunch of UGA players' helmets as well.

Most teams don't really have good things to make a sticker out of - OSU and UGA have buckeyes (the actual thing) and bones, respectively, which makes sense. But take a team like Florida - are they going to put little pictures of Gators all over their helmets?

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 03:28 PM
Completely off topic, but that line in your sig is stupid. Real teams don't put dumb little stickers for individual accomplishment on their helmets.

Most of the stickers are for unit accomplishment, like if a defense holds an offense to so many yards. If your unit grades out a winning grade you get a Buckeye leaf. The helmet stickers is one of the coolest and most original traditions in college football, lots of teams ripped us off but none of them work as well as OSU's where at the end of the year the helmets are entirely full of the stickers (though FSU's are pretty good). And Ohio State is not the only team I refer to in my sig, Cleveland has no helmet logo either.

Criteria here:
http://www.coachtressel.com/sideline_pass/measuring_up/criteria.asp?section=measuring

"individual accomplishment" = incorrect my friend.

Babylon
02-21-2009, 03:45 PM
Anyone know what time the LBs run tomorrow?

SilverBullet
02-21-2009, 03:48 PM
Completely off topic, but that line in your sig is stupid. Real teams don't put dumb little stickers for individual accomplishment on their helmets.

:rolleyes: Like he already mentioned, most of them revolve around unit and team accomplishments. And no player gets a single one if they lose no matter how good of a game they play.

But ok, we preach selfishness at Ohio State if that's what you'd like to believe.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 03:48 PM
Anyone know what time the LBs run tomorrow?

They don't. It's WR, RB & QB.

VoteLynnSwan
02-21-2009, 03:49 PM
Most of the stickers are for unit accomplishment, like if a defense holds an offense to so many yards. If your unit grades out a winning grade you get a Buckeye leaf. The helmet stickers is one of the coolest and most original traditions in college football, lots of teams ripped us off but none of them work as well as OSU's where at the end of the year the helmets are entirely full of the stickers (though FSU's are pretty good). And Ohio State is not the only team I refer to in my sig, Cleveland has no helmet logo either.

Criteria here:
http://www.coachtressel.com/sideline_pass/measuring_up/criteria.asp?section=measuring

"individual accomplishment" = incorrect my friend.

if it's about unit accomplishments, then how come some players have more stickers than others?

Babylon
02-21-2009, 03:50 PM
They don't. It's WR, RB & QB.


Thanks, how about monday?

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 03:51 PM
Some players accomplish more during games and the season then others. His statement kinda contradicted itself.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 03:52 PM
Thanks, how about monday?

Linebackers & d-lineman. The DB's on Tuesday.

soybean
02-21-2009, 03:54 PM
What's this I hear about David Beuhler, K, USC putting up better bench press numbers than Eugene Monroe and Michael Oher?

JFLO
02-21-2009, 03:55 PM
What's this I hear about David Beuhler, K, USC putting up better bench press numbers than Eugene Monroe and Michael Oher?

That's the USC Football Strength and Training Department for you.


That really is sick for a kicker, is that a record or anything?

Punisher
02-21-2009, 03:56 PM
Beuhler is a beast. He almost ran down Mendenhall if I remember correctly in the Rose Bowl.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 03:58 PM
Yeah I couldn't believe that until I watched it. The lineman like mobbed him after his reps.

espfootball92
02-21-2009, 04:06 PM
Any word yet on how Everette Brown weighed in?

Shane P. Hallam
02-21-2009, 04:23 PM
Any word yet on how Everette Brown weighed in?

Monday.

Tomorrow:

Running backs, then Wide Receivers, then Quarterbacks

Monday:

LB then DL

Tuesday:

DBs

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 04:28 PM
if it's about unit accomplishments, then how come some players have more stickers than others?

read the criteria. some are for individuals if you make a play like a forced fumble for example.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
02-21-2009, 04:29 PM
What's this I hear about David Beuhler, K, USC putting up better bench press numbers than Eugene Monroe and Michael Oher?

It really shouldn't be too surprising that kickers are doing well at the combine now. In this day and age, everyone is an athlete, kickers and punters included. No more unathletic guys who can just kick the ball, most kickers and punters now are pretty athletic. Most are converted soccer players and shouldn't be surprising that they can compete with other positional athletes.

quincyyyyy
02-21-2009, 04:30 PM
Where can one get the measurements for the DL and LB?

Go Cowboys
02-21-2009, 04:32 PM
Still can not believe that Beuhler was able to lift the way he was. It is pretty impressive to say the least.

espfootball92
02-21-2009, 04:34 PM
Monday.

Tomorrow:

Running backs, then Wide Receivers, then Quarterbacks

Monday:

LB then DL

Tuesday:

DBs

Right...but people were posting heights and weights of guys like Orakpo, Laurinaitis, and Maybin so I was wondering if Brown's measurements had been leaked yet

RaiderNation
02-21-2009, 04:39 PM
Jason Watkins IMO looked good today. Has great measureables and can play both OT positions.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 04:39 PM
Beanie and Knowshon both put 225 up 25 times. Pretty good bench #s for both those guys. Beanie has some of the longest arms I've ever seen for a runningback (34 inches, most RBs only have 30 or 31 inch arms), but he is very thick in the chest to make up for it a bit. Most of the backs over 215 did that though. Shonn Greene only had 19 but that's not that bad, a little below average but not bad. Harvin did 19 reps. Here's some WR bench press results:

Ramses Barden - 17
Kenny Britt - 23
Deon Butler - 12
Austin Collie - 17
Jarett Dillard - 13
Brooks Foster - 27
Percy Harvin - 19
Darrius Heyward-Bey - 16
Taurus Johnson - 18
Aaron Kelly - 11
Quinten Lawrence - 20
Andrew Means - 12
Marko Mitchell - 9
Louis Murphy - 12
Sammie Stroughter - 13
Nate Swift - 12
Tiquan Underwood - 7
Mike Wallace - 14
Derrick Williams - 15
Jaison Williams - 14

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 04:58 PM
Thanks keylime. Foster sure did well.

DJC
02-21-2009, 05:00 PM
Pat White is now willing to play other positions. Pretty big change in his draft stock now.

“I would love to be a quarterback, but I also want to help in any way I can. Whether it’s wide receiver, punt return, whatever. I just want to get on the field somehow,” said White.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/21/white-open-to-playing-other-positions/

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 05:00 PM
Yeah those are the words of a man who has seen the light.

VoteLynnSwan
02-21-2009, 05:02 PM
read the criteria. some are for individuals if you make a play like a forced fumble for example.

"individual accomplishment" = incorrect my friend.

well then you = incorrect my friend...

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 05:06 PM
No, I'm not - it would be incorrect to say that that's what the leaves are for. Individual plays are just a tiny part of what the leaves are for. Over 90% of them are for unit and team performance, it is unfair for GB12 to say that's what they're for.

jayceheathman
02-21-2009, 05:21 PM
They don't. It's WR, RB & QB.

Chase Holbrook will run a 4.25 and throw between the goal posts on his knees from the endzone on the other side of the field and become the #1 pick immediately.

gpngc
02-21-2009, 05:23 PM
LOL Harvin did more than Watkins.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 05:25 PM
Chase Holbrook will run a 4.25 and throw between the goal posts on his knees from the endzone on the other side of the field and become the #1 pick immediately.

Sounds about right.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 05:25 PM
LOL Harvin did more than Watkins.

Why are people so high on Watkins to begin with?

gpngc
02-21-2009, 05:27 PM
Why are people so high on Watkins to begin with?

Quick feet, former TE, National Champion Florida LT, winner, good character. He's Duane Brown-ish but probably not the best in-line run blocker.

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 05:27 PM
Gotcha. Thanks gpngc. I still don't want him in DC though lol.

killa3312
02-21-2009, 05:28 PM
Harvin is strong... not that surprising. What surprised me is that he didn't go 20+.

RaiderNation
02-21-2009, 05:33 PM
What round should Watkins go? 3rd or 4th?

gpngc
02-21-2009, 05:34 PM
What round should Watkins go? 3rd or 4th?

Should? I'd be a rich man if I could tell you.

Will? Anywhere from 3rd to 5th.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 05:39 PM
I heard Curry was 6-1/254. Rumors that he was gonna measure in at 6-1 or 6-2, I wonder what the exact measurement was. NFL.com lists him as 6'2", 254 so he must have measured in at over 6-1 3/8.

phlysac
02-21-2009, 05:43 PM
Larry English weighing 274 is interesting. He may have helped himself in some 4-3 team's eyes but in return may have done the opposite for his 3-4 chances. 274 is Merriman-esque huge for a 3-4 OLB.

keylime_5
02-21-2009, 05:45 PM
It says Everette Brown is 6'2", 256. Excellent size for him, some were worried he'd come in under 250.

Eaglez.Fan
02-21-2009, 05:57 PM
What round should Watkins go? 3rd or 4th?

No higher than the 4th. I wouldn't take him before the 5th. He is a finesse and inconsistent right tackle. And he is a pretty poor run-blocker.

Scott Wright
02-21-2009, 06:03 PM
Hey,

Just wanted to let everyone know my faxes with today's results just came in and I'm hard at work inputting them. Talk about putsy and boring!

Look for those later tonight.

Race for the Heisman
02-21-2009, 06:08 PM
No, I'm not - it would be incorrect to say that that's what the leaves are for. Individual plays are just a tiny part of what the leaves are for. Over 90% of them are for unit and team performance, it is unfair for GB12 to say that's what they're for.

http://www.coachtressel.com/sideline_pass/measuring_up/criteria.asp

I'm kind of hopping in on this debate/conversation in the middle of it and this post isn't specifically directed at you, keylime, but I thought quoting you would be the easiest way to link this post your conversation/debate/whatever.

Anyway, the criteria are on that site. As you can see, most are for unit performance (and none are rewarded in the event of a loss, which is about as team-oriented as you can get), although there are ways to earn one for individual performances.

JFLO
02-21-2009, 06:17 PM
No higher than the 4th. I wouldn't take him before the 5th. He is a finesse and inconsistent right tackle. And he is a pretty poor run-blocker.

I agree, he had one of the worse workouts among offensive lineman, let alone offensive tackle.

Stash
02-21-2009, 06:18 PM
EDIT: Oops, NM.

Babylon
02-21-2009, 06:22 PM
[QUOTE=gpngc;1504998]Should? I'd be a rich man if I could tell you.

Vegas got a line going on the draft now?

GB12
02-21-2009, 06:23 PM
[quote=gpngc;1504998]Should? I'd be a rich man if I could tell you.

Vegas got a line going on the draft now?
He was saying he'd be a GM.

PENNSTATEHOMER
02-21-2009, 06:28 PM
Beanie and Knowshon both put 225 up 25 times. Pretty good bench #s for both those guys. Beanie has some of the longest arms I've ever seen for a runningback (34 inches, most RBs only have 30 or 31 inch arms), but he is very thick in the chest to make up for it a bit. Most of the backs over 215 did that though. Shonn Greene only had 19 but that's not that bad, a little below average but not bad. Harvin did 19 reps. Here's some WR bench press results:

Ramses Barden - 17
Kenny Britt - 23
Deon Butler - 12
Austin Collie - 17
Jarett Dillard - 13
Brooks Foster - 27
Percy Harvin - 19
Darrius Heyward-Bey - 16
Taurus Johnson - 18
Aaron Kelly - 11
Quinten Lawrence - 20
Andrew Means - 12
Marko Mitchell - 9
Louis Murphy - 12
Sammie Stroughter - 13
Nate Swift - 12
Tiquan Underwood - 7
Mike Wallace - 14
Derrick Williams - 15
Jaison Williams - 14

Deon Butler and Jordan Norwood weighing in at 182, and 179, respectively, is a major victory for those two. I hope Deon can continue to improve his stock, because he lit USC up, had a good East-West game as a receiver/blocker, and has now emerged as a 5'11 182 pound receiver looking for a shot. Whoever gives it to him is going to get a steal IMO, I think he is the most likely to succeed at the WR position out of all three PSU SRs (DWill, Norwood, Butler). If he is an Engram type WR in the NFL, or even has a Bobby Engram like career, I won't be at all shocked...fingers crossed though! ;)

Babylon
02-21-2009, 06:34 PM
^
Kenny Britt didnt hurt his cause that's for sure.

Hines
02-21-2009, 06:37 PM
I believe Deon Butler's stock is rising after weighing 182 pounds.

I didn't get to watch the combine today, but I am interested in watching the skill guys tomorrow.

d34ng3l021
02-21-2009, 06:54 PM
Chris Well's 25 225 reps is pretty impressive considering his unexpected long arm length. I think he is going to be a great back in the NFL. I didn't expect Moreno to do that much, but he seems to be bulking up. Good call on his part.

Larry English weighing in at 274 is very interesting for the Falcons and other 4-3 teams. Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock had him going to the Falcons in their mocks, and now with that weight, it seems more likely. He could be a great pass rusher opposite John Abraham, but I don't know if the FO has given up on Jamaal Anderson. I heard they might just put him at DT.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-21-2009, 06:55 PM
When are the D-lineman bench presses??? Can't wait to see Orakpo. I'd guess 33-40 range.

phlysac
02-21-2009, 06:57 PM
When are the D-lineman bench presses??? Can't wait to see Orakpo. I'd guess 33-40 range.

The D Linemen weighed in today. They will lift tomorrow, then do drills the next day. It's the same rotation for all the groupings.

JFLO
02-21-2009, 06:57 PM
Wow, Percy Harvin looked like a 12 year old on that bench press, and he had 19 reps!

JFLO
02-21-2009, 07:00 PM
Schefter just took a spill trying to catch a pass from Mariucci...priceless

ChosenOne
02-21-2009, 07:00 PM
No!!!!!! Adam Schefter Dropped Itt!!!!!

Scott Wright
02-21-2009, 07:33 PM
Got the OL and TE results up!

Twinkle Toes
02-21-2009, 07:43 PM
Kenny Britt - 23 reps. So much for my "weak upper body" theory!

kwilk103
02-21-2009, 07:44 PM
INDIANAPOLIS - Pat White still wants to prove to NFL teams he’s a quarterback.

But if he can’t, White is prepared to do whatever it takes to play at the next level.

The Wildcat formation could be his way in.

“I think it gives me a better opportunity to help someone at the next level,” White said Saturday at the scouting combine.


White said he met with the Dolphins, who discussed a number of things with him, including the Wildcat.

“Hopefully I can help their offense,” White said.

White said he watched the Dolphins run the ‘Cat last season.

“I saw a few games with it,” he said. “Interesting. It gives defenses headaches. It gives them about 40 more minutes of film they have to focus on.”

White would be a wild card selection for a team looking to develop him into a secret weapon.

The all-time leading rusher in college football, a two-time Heisman finalist and the MVP of the Senior Bowl, White showed his versatility time and again.

But White is 6-foot, 197 pounds, played out of the shotgun at West Virginia and showed limitations as a passer. He’s not even ranked by ESPN among the top-20 passers at the combine.

White said a number of teams told him they expect him to play another position, while some haven’t close the door on him playing quarterback.

“I still want to be a quarterback, until someone tells me, ‘no,’” he said. “But I want to keep my options open.”

The Dolphins, or a number of the teams beginning to run the Wildcat, could have one for White.

“I want to help any way I can,” he said


http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2009/02/21/qb-pat-white-a-wildcard-for-the-wildcat/

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 07:44 PM
Kenny Britt - 23 reps. So much for my "weak upper body" theory!

Were you the guy in the thread that had all the Rutgers fans about to blow a top lol?

PENNSTATEHOMER
02-21-2009, 07:48 PM
What do people think about Gerald Cadogan? I love that he is a great human being, but he seems to bring it on the field with him...always finesse and doesn't play mean...AT ALL. I mean the kid puts out church/gospel music, we've got his kid brother in this '09 class as an ATH/OT out of OH as well, Nate Cadogan....6'6/6'5 H.S. TE-OL/DE!

But 6'5 309 pounds, 26 reps on the bench and a 5.12 40 is more than respectable. I'd especially like him at RT but he needs more functional strength, and of course he needs to play football the way football is supposed to be played (aggression).

His demeanor could be the difference between looking for a 9-5 and possibly being a Kareem McKenzie type (but not that level of mauler) in the NFL.

Twinkle Toes
02-21-2009, 08:14 PM
Were you the guy in the thread that had all the Rutgers fans about to blow a top lol?

Nooooo, that had to be somebody else...LOL

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 08:29 PM
Oh gotcha. The person I remember wouldn't touch Britt in the 1st two rounds lol.

foozball
02-21-2009, 08:39 PM
how does english weigh in at 274lbs when he was 254lbs at the senior bowl?

scottyboy
02-21-2009, 08:41 PM
Oh gotcha. The person I remember wouldn't touch Britt in the 1st two rounds lol.

nah, that was dr. stupid.

but my lord Kenny Britt is huge. so sexy...I mean buff...

eh, what's the use, you all know what I'm thinking anyway

ironman4579
02-21-2009, 08:46 PM
nah, that was dr. stupid.

but my lord Kenny Britt is huge. so sexy...I mean buff...

eh, what's the use, you all know what I'm thinking anyway

There was in interview with Britt from the combine on Sirius NFL radio yesterday. He's a pretty funny guy. And he certainly doesn't lack for confidence. Said he thinks he's alot like Larry Fitzgerald except faster/quicker. Think maybe he's underrating himself Scotty? ;)

scottyboy
02-21-2009, 08:52 PM
There was in interview with Britt from the combine on Sirius NFL radio yesterday. He's a pretty funny guy. And he certainly doesn't lack for confidence. Said he thinks he's alot like Larry Fitzgerald except faster/quicker. Think maybe he's underrating himself Scotty? ;)

absolutely. well, idk, Larry is arguably the top WR now, so he's on par.

AND he did break Fitz's Big East receptions record so...

and yea, he's the man, I love Britt <3

JRTPlaya21
02-21-2009, 08:53 PM
Hey scotty, where are you thinking Courtney Greene gets drafted at?

Hines
02-21-2009, 08:55 PM
I liked those gloves and cleats that Pettigrew was wearing today.

JFLO
02-21-2009, 08:59 PM
I liked those gloves and cleats that Pettigrew was wearing today.

Deion Branch-esque

jnew76
02-21-2009, 09:11 PM
Wow, Jamie Dukes said he did not think Michael Oher was a LT in the NFL... I think he is the first person to ever say that.

But I am not sure I disagree. I doubt he can be an "elite LT in the NFL"... Might be elite RT and an above average to average LT.

AkiliSmith
02-21-2009, 09:13 PM
Wow, Jamie Dukes said he did not think Michael Oher was a LT in the NFL... I think he is the first person to ever say that.
Dukes is terrible. He touted Nate Davis as the best QB in the draft basically the entire college football season. He's a fat loud mouth.

P-L
02-21-2009, 09:14 PM
Lots up people didn't think Oher was a left tackle up until the end of last year.

Todd Bertuzzi
02-21-2009, 09:16 PM
Schefter just took a spill trying to catch a pass from Mariucci...priceless

At least he had good form and showed us his athleticism.

/sarcasm.