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superman
02-24-2009, 08:31 PM
with that size and running a 4.4 on the supposed "slow" surface (don't really buy that)

is he the 3rd best cb? maybe better?

Bronco in UT
02-24-2009, 08:51 PM
Absolutely, Sean Smith is the IDEAL cover two corner. 6'3", 210lbs. 4.4 40, great ball skills. You aren't going to fit it over him terribly often...

Big_Pete
02-24-2009, 08:56 PM
He should be a 1st rounder at either CB or as a FS

superman
02-24-2009, 08:56 PM
Absolutely, Sean Smith is the IDEAL cover two corner. 6'3", 210lbs. 4.4 40, great ball skills. You aren't going to fit it over him terribly often...

what did he measure in at officially at the combine? i thought i read 6'4 219

Big_Pete
02-24-2009, 08:58 PM
what did he measure in at officially at the combine? i thought i read 6'4 219

6'4, 214, 4.47 (unofficial 40 time)

superman
02-24-2009, 09:00 PM
He should be a 1st rounder at either CB or as a FS

dolphins could use him at either position

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
02-24-2009, 09:02 PM
Daaaamn, 6'4!

art vandelay
02-24-2009, 09:03 PM
I would say without a doubt, yes.

Jakey
02-24-2009, 09:03 PM
A 6'4" corner with 4.4 speed would be epic. Teams with little glaring needs will be eyeing him up in the 1st round (mainly becuase of his measurables), i wouldnt be suprised to see my Steelers take a look at him tbh.

superman
02-24-2009, 09:06 PM
an nfc north team might just draft him to TRY to cover calvin twice a year

brat316
02-24-2009, 09:08 PM
A 6'4 corner is amazing, you can then have someone to match up against those tall receivers you fear. He also might be able to defend those tall speed WR as well.

noondog
02-24-2009, 09:08 PM
an nfc north team might just draft him to TRY to cover calvin twice a year

IF the Lions don't take him #20 or #33....he really improved his stock at the combine imo.

Big_Pete
02-24-2009, 09:10 PM
I think his best spot is as a ballhawk FS

he would be really effective in the red zone

there are an awefull lot of DBs, WR, RB etc in that mid-late first mix

Big_Pete
02-24-2009, 09:16 PM
I could see a team like the Texans taking him with their 1st round pick as a FS

619
02-24-2009, 09:22 PM
I think his best spot is as a ballhawk FS

he would be really effective in the red zone

there are an awefull lot of DBs, WR, RB etc in that mid-late first mix

This is what I believe as well, his speed is adequate enough to play corner and with that height/speed ratio it's going to be hard for teams to shy away from at least giving him a worthwhile shot there. Despite some disappointing 40s earlier today, I still think there could be as many as five CBs selected in the first round this year as well.

Havok69
02-24-2009, 09:25 PM
At 6'4", what is his change of direction ability? How are his hips? Can he turn and run at that size at the NFL level? Height is great, but if he gets turned around by a quick wideout, it won't help him much.

619
02-24-2009, 09:34 PM
At 6'4", what is his change of direction ability? How are his hips? Can he turn and run at that size at the NFL level? Height is great, but if he gets turned around by a quick wideout, it won't help him much.

He's a bit stiff, which is why he would make a great FS if used correctly. I think he would excel at the next level if he played a similar type of role to that of Taylor Mays this past season.

superman
02-24-2009, 09:34 PM
At 6'4", what is his change of direction ability? How are his hips? Can he turn and run at that size at the NFL level? Height is great, but if he gets turned around by a quick wideout, it won't help him much.

i have no clue. i'm sure 32 teams are finding that out right now.

619
02-24-2009, 09:37 PM
i have no clue. i'm sure 32 teams are finding that out right now.

He failed to finish in the top 8 at his position in the 3 - cone drill.

superman
02-24-2009, 09:43 PM
He failed to finish in the top 8 at his position in the 3 - cone drill.
you do sacrifice shiftiness for being able to deflect a ball at it's highest point

i'm not saying he's an elite prospect or anything, but i think his pros outweigh his cons by a lot

superman
02-24-2009, 09:45 PM
what was his vert?

phlysac
02-24-2009, 09:46 PM
I, personally love him. Unfortunately the player he reminds me most of is former VT CB Jimmy Williams. Let's hope Smith doesn't struggle in similar ways.

superman
02-24-2009, 09:50 PM
I, personally love him. Unfortunately the player he reminds me most of is former VT CB Jimmy Williams. Let's hope Smith doesn't struggle in similar ways.
good point. i liked jimmy coming out too.

ThePudge
02-24-2009, 09:59 PM
I believe the official measurement was 6'3 1/4 or 6'3 1/2. Still 214 lbs. Had a good looking day and could very well be selected in the first round.

619
02-24-2009, 10:22 PM
I, personally love him. Unfortunately the player he reminds me most of is former VT CB Jimmy Williams. Let's hope Smith doesn't struggle in similar ways.

If I remember correctly, Williams had some off the field concerns and many questioned his work ethic. Smith may be a bit faster as well.

jj45
02-24-2009, 10:27 PM
I would like have him to the bears in the second draft bey in the first. And with brown gone and our safeties are very supsect he would make a very nice addition plus I think if our secondary is fixed thus will help our pass rush get a lot more coverage sacks

jj45
02-24-2009, 10:35 PM
I would like have him to the bears in the second draft bey in the first. And with brown gone and our safeties are very supsect he would make a very nice addition plus I think if our secondary is fixed thus will help our pass rush get a lot more coverage sacks

D-Rod
02-25-2009, 03:35 AM
Jimmy Williams' mian problem was mental (and getting moved around from position to position to start his career).

If I'm a C2 team, I take Smith as a CB. Any other scheme, I think he's a FS.

Grig
02-25-2009, 03:59 AM
I absolutely love Sean Smith. I would be ecstatic if the Dolphins could land him, although I'm beginning to fear that it'll have to be at 25 if they want him.

It really depends on who else is still available, but if he ended up being their pick I'll be okay with it.

superman
02-25-2009, 05:54 AM
I absolutely love Sean Smith. I would be ecstatic if the Dolphins could land him, although I'm beginning to fear that it'll have to be at 25 if they want him.

It really depends on who else is still available, but if he ended up being their pick I'll be okay with it.

i was thinking either s smith, v davis, e brown, or h knicks. i have a feeling davis and brown will be gone so i would be ecstatic for smith too.

nepg
02-25-2009, 06:06 AM
He's 6'4 and runs in the 4.45 range, but what were his other numbers? If he participated, I can't find them.

It's one thing to be tall and fast, but if his hips aren't at an NFL level, you've got another Lenny Walls at best...
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regoob2
02-25-2009, 03:55 PM
I doubt he will play CB. He's a FS. Not a lot of 6-4 CBs. He's a late 1st/early 2nd FS.

psulion21
02-25-2009, 03:58 PM
i feel he will likely land in the first round, he impressed at the combine and theres a number of teams in the mid late first round looking for a safety or corner

RaiderNation
02-25-2009, 04:04 PM
I hope he drops to Oakland in the 2nd. Would come in and start as FS and replace Asomugha and Chris Johnson in a few years

Larry121283
02-25-2009, 06:48 PM
I'd avoid this kid as a corner. You need to be some sort of freak of nature to be 6'4" (he is a legit 6'4") playing cornerback. Anatomy is against you having fluid enough hips for the pro game. Only CBs I can recall being 6'3" or more and being successful in the NFL (recently) are Bobby Taylor and David Thomas.

Safety though could be a real option and I'd grade him as a prospect there.

Here are some quotes from his random scouting reports around the 'net

Stiff in the upper body. … Does not play with the physicality scouts would like given his size. … Is slow to adjust when backpedaling if a receiver cuts his route short or goes to the skinny post

...he's stiff in the hips and has trouble keeping up with quick receivers.

I just am not intrigued in him as a corner in the NFL. He looked amazing in college at corner...but 6'4" corners just kind of have me weery...body just doesn't work like that.

Brandon Browner caught the attention on everyone (didn't have a great 40 however) being 6'4". Lenny Walls hung around for a bit, but he was an All-Timer in the Powdered Toast Man Awards (along with another 6'3" corner, Curtis DeLoatch).

Big_Pete
02-26-2009, 08:04 PM
I have no doubt that smith has first round talent; but it will be hard for him to actually make it into the 1st round. There is alot of congestion around that bottom first and entire second round area.

I recently did a 4 round mock to try and get a rough idea of how it may pan out. After the middle first, it started to get really challenging with alot of picks.

btw in my mock I had smith going in the early/mid 2nd round range,

superman
02-26-2009, 08:20 PM
walls and browner are tall, but i don't believe they're anywhere near smith as a prospect. physically i guess they're the closest you could say though.

were either of them even drafted? there really isn't a good comparison for sean smith out there. it's like a calvin johnson scenario (not to that extent, he's prob the best prospect ever). no one has come out comparable yet so who knows.

tjsunstein
02-26-2009, 08:21 PM
I havent seen much of Sean Smith until the bowl game and he played insane. His size, speed, and what I have seen of him this year have made me a believer.

TT Gator
03-01-2009, 02:39 AM
I think he could def be picked up late 1st. I thought he'd go early 2nd before and he improved his stock at the combine. But I don't think he's in the Top 3 CBs personally. Not to say I don't like him but he'd be better off as a FS cuz i'm still not sure he has the skill set for CB in the pros.