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art vandelay
02-27-2009, 11:22 AM
Per ESPN - for undisclosed draft picks.

B-Dawk
02-27-2009, 11:22 AM
why? wow. why?

Brent
02-27-2009, 11:23 AM
why?
'cause he's a ******* soldier!

art vandelay
02-27-2009, 11:23 AM
Well the Bucs have $60+ in cap room and missed out on Big Al. Plus Winslow wanted to get out of Cleveland and he gets to go back to FL.

bored of education
02-27-2009, 11:24 AM
Freeman to WINSLOL!

BUSTKUNTLAWL
02-27-2009, 11:24 AM
Wow!

Pretty nice move by TB depending on the compensation. I can't believe Cleveland is giving up on him or his character.

Winslow is the man.

aNYtitan
02-27-2009, 11:25 AM
Beat me to it, when his head is on straight, Winslow is a damn good TE, I guess this is just to show that the Bucs are not to be discounted after failing to get Albert Haynesworth

Vikes99ej
02-27-2009, 11:25 AM
Wow, this surprises the hell out of me. He's still very young.

abaddon41_80
02-27-2009, 11:26 AM
Definitely didn't see this coming. Someone link when they find it, please.

SaintsFanForLife
02-27-2009, 11:26 AM
Wow what a move that hurts to see him in my DIV.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
02-27-2009, 11:26 AM
Wow what a move that hurts to see him in my DIV.

Saints should have waited a year to trade for a TE.

Gay Ork Wang
02-27-2009, 11:27 AM
thats a surprise, makes sense though

Vikes99ej
02-27-2009, 11:27 AM
Definitely didn't see this coming. Someone link when they find it, please.

It's the header on NFL.com, so I think it's a credible report.

Don Vito
02-27-2009, 11:27 AM
Wow, great move by the Bucs. If he can keep his head on straight he could make a huge impact.

kiranadwaney
02-27-2009, 11:28 AM
i am on espn but cant see it, can someone post a link please. thanks

i see it on the banner now. no worries

art vandelay
02-27-2009, 11:28 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/breaking-bucs-trade-for-winslow/

Here's one. It was announced on SportsCenter though.

bearsfan_51
02-27-2009, 11:28 AM
Unless it's for a 1st round pick, the Browns are stupid.

I feel so bad for Browns fans. Just terrible management.

aNYtitan
02-27-2009, 11:29 AM
Kellen Winslow traded to Bucs per Rotoworld

Link:http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=140248

wicket
02-27-2009, 11:29 AM
Saints should have waited a year to trade for a TE.

it blows but yeah

art vandelay
02-27-2009, 11:29 AM
http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=6974

SaintsFanForLife
02-27-2009, 11:30 AM
Saints should have waited a year to trade for a TE.

Agreed......But Shockey should be healthy and better show up this year. And im sure the Bucs gave up allot for him.

keylime_5
02-27-2009, 11:30 AM
This could work out well for both sides. Winslow is a great receiver at the tight end position, Cleveland wants the tight end to not be a blocking liability in their offense and they have Martin Rucker to step in as the receiving #2 tight end so we're insured. Winslow will still be one of my favorite players in the league, I'll be pulling for him to succeed in Tampa.

Million dollar question remains what were the picks. Probably a second and something else.

drowe
02-27-2009, 11:30 AM
wow...shocking..yet makes perfect sense..can't wait to see what draft picks were involved. ANY chance it's Tampa's #1?

wonderbredd24
02-27-2009, 11:31 AM
Winslow actually wanted to finish his career in Cleveland.

Unfortunately, between the broken leg, motor cycle accident, and a few years of football, he is playing on one knee. Better to move him now than hold onto him as his knee deteriorates even more.

It's a shame how that motorcycle accident hurt this guy's career. When he was close to healthy, he was really, really good.

Crickett
02-27-2009, 11:31 AM
Holy ****. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Yatta!
02-27-2009, 11:31 AM
Rotoworld guessing that it was for a 2nd and a late rounder, makes sense for both sides. Winslow wasn't gonna work out in Cleveland.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
02-27-2009, 11:32 AM
Winslow actually wanted to finish his career in Cleveland.

Unfortunately, between the broken leg, motor cycle accident, and a few years of football, he is playing on one knee. Better to move him now than hold onto him as his knee deteriorates even more.

It's a shame how that motorcycle accident hurt this guy's career. When he was close to healthy, he was really, really good.

He may have said that, but I seriously doubt that.

After all those reports about his injury last year he felt wronged by the front office and didn't want to be there.

Notredameleo
02-27-2009, 11:32 AM
Did not see that coming. Its probably for a third this year and a performance based pick next year...?

CashmoneyDrew
02-27-2009, 11:32 AM
This is just stupid IMO unless it's for the Bucs first which I highly doubt it is. Steve Heiden is a great blocker but KW2 still had plenty of upside. Not to mention he would've been a big help to a young Brady Quinn.

Splat
02-27-2009, 11:33 AM
Rotoworld guessing that it was for a 2nd and a late rounder, makes sense for both sides. Winslow wasn't gonna work out in Cleveland.

I'm betting a 2nd and 5th?

D-Rod
02-27-2009, 11:33 AM
Goddamnit!!!

Worst news of the day for NFC south teams.

Why must Cleveland be so completely incompetent? This had better be for a 1st round pick! (and it won't...)

wonderbredd24
02-27-2009, 11:34 AM
He may have said that, but I seriously doubt that.

After all those reports about his injury last year he felt wronged by the front office and didn't want to be there.

That front office is gone

aNYtitan
02-27-2009, 11:35 AM
Is the Braylon Edwards talks over? Given that they just traded a guy who would help open the field for Edwards, he must not be happy.

gramage
02-27-2009, 11:36 AM
A little questionable to me because if your going with a young quarterback I think you need as much talent for him to throw to as possible, but they certainly could come out of this better overall.

This makes Crabtree a serious option at 5 now.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 11:37 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

**** YOU MANGINI

**** YOU KOLKINIS!!!

........

go bucs.

Vikes99ej
02-27-2009, 11:37 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

**** YOU MANGINI

**** YOU KOLKINIS!!!

........

go bucs.

LOL at your username.

bearsfan_51
02-27-2009, 11:37 AM
An interesting side note, the trade was made by two rookie GM's

wonderbredd24
02-27-2009, 11:37 AM
If the Browns received a 2nd and another pick, assuming they make even a decent pick, this trade was an absolute steal.

Tampa fans will soon find out how broken down Winslow is. The guy will play through anything, but it won't take long for Tampa fans to realize how much Winslow is a shadow of what he could have been.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 11:41 AM
Unless it's for a 1st round pick, the Browns are stupid.

I feel so bad for Browns fans. Just terrible management.

fiaosfkopsaifkopsafksaopfksapf

Wearing the Winslow jersey today in support of the legend himself.

Winslow is gonna get over 9,000 tds next year along with the 394034920230230 times he runs over defending players.

I hope he plays the Browns and breaks mangini's neck and then throws a spear at kolkinis and screams that hes a solider then rides off to the sunset in a motorcycle.

cunit2k9
02-27-2009, 11:42 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

**** YOU MANGINI

**** YOU KOLKINIS!!!

........

go bucs.

You front runner WinslowBodden, you probably have never liked the browns til the 10-6 season, same with the Indians you probably didnt like them til 2 years ago, and now you're a cavs fan.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 11:42 AM
If the Browns received a 2nd and another pick, assuming they make even a decent pick, this trade was an absolute steal.

Tampa fans will soon find out how broken down Winslow is. The guy will play through anything, but it won't take long for Tampa fans to realize how much Winslow is a shadow of what he could have been.

Does that matter when you put up about 1,200 yards as a tight end and get 89 then 83 receptions.

If he can play through the pain the Bucs are getting a great receiving tight end.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 11:43 AM
You front runner WinslowBodden, you probably have never liked the browns til the 10-6 season, same with the Indians you probably didnt like them til 2 years ago, and now you're a cavs fan.

Chris im gonna tea bag you in your sleep.

cunit2k9
02-27-2009, 11:44 AM
Does that matter when you put up about 1,200 yards as a tight end and get 89 then 83 receptions.

If he can play through the pain the Bucs are getting a great receiving tight end.

Winslow missed countless blocks and was a liability in the run offense. He also had about 40 offensive pass interferences.

keylime_5
02-27-2009, 11:45 AM
If the Browns received a 2nd and another pick, assuming they make even a decent pick, this trade was an absolute steal.

Tampa fans will soon find out how broken down Winslow is. The guy will play through anything, but it won't take long for Tampa fans to realize how much Winslow is a shadow of what he could have been.

Well I wouldn't go that far, I think Winslow will be big for Tampa b/c they dont have much outside Bryant to throw to and he is just a glorified big slot receiver as it is. I don't think our offense will be hurt though with Heiden and Rucker. This is a win-win trade for both sides, they get a good receiving tight end, we get a 2nd round pick and some change to upgrade elsewhere and our offense probably wont change much at all (remember last year when K2 was hurt how our offense played great against Jax and NY?)

D-Unit
02-27-2009, 11:46 AM
Winslow sucks. He's TO without the production. I'm tired of hearing about upside with him.... he's as soft as Charmin.

Good move by the Browns.

For Tampa, it's worth the risk. But between Winslow and Antonio Bryant... attitudes are starting to pile up.

Pb&j
02-27-2009, 11:48 AM
I loved Winslow, but the Browns just had to get rid of him. They need more draft picks in the worst way, and no one knows how long Winslow's knee will hold up. They got something for him while they still can.

keylime_5
02-27-2009, 11:48 AM
The Buccaneers are the Browns-South: Jeff Faine, Kellen Winslow, Antonio Bryant...why don't they just resign Jeff Garcia too?

Flyboy
02-27-2009, 11:50 AM
Wow what a move that hurts to see him in my DIV.

Tell me about it. :(

Pb&j
02-27-2009, 11:50 AM
Instead of the Brown-cos how about the Browncaneers?

wonderbredd24
02-27-2009, 11:51 AM
I would not be shocked if Winslow retires after 2 years. His knee is that bad

keylime_5
02-27-2009, 11:52 AM
ESPN says it's a 2nd and a 3rd. Good deal.

wonderbredd24
02-27-2009, 11:55 AM
That's armed robbery

Splat
02-27-2009, 11:56 AM
ESPN says it's a 2nd and a 3rd. Good deal.

Both from this year?

D-Rod
02-27-2009, 11:57 AM
Well, slightly less upset if it is indeed a 2nd and 3rd.

That leaves the Bucs with very few picks and quite a lot of holes. I'm guessing they're planning to be very active over the next couple of days.

diabsoule
02-27-2009, 12:00 PM
Hahahaha. I wonder if he'll be able to stay on the field? I wouldn't have done that trade.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
02-27-2009, 12:01 PM
2nd and a 3rd is good value for the Browns. Considering the distance between Winslow and Cleveland, I would say this is a good deal for them. I like what the Bucs got in this deal, but i'm not sure if i personally would have given that much considering the injury history and potential issues. Seems like they take all the risk and they still gave a fair bit. Winslow can be an elite TE though, and i think he will prove valuable for the Bucs and increases credibility after they cut so many key players. My thought though was that they wanted to start young and build....and although Winslow is young, i again worry about the knee.

Chucky
02-27-2009, 12:03 PM
Has the 2nd and 3rd been confirmed yet? If so I am really not too big of a fan of this trade. Even though last year's 2nd and 3rd round picks netted us dexter jackson and Zuttah.

The Bucs are really going to fill some real needs through FA this year with their lack of draft picks.

Me Likey Rookies
02-27-2009, 12:24 PM
ESPN says it's a 2nd and a 3rd. Good deal.

by "ESPN says" do you mean "Tim Hasslebeck guesses"?

I would be very mad if it is a 2nd and 3rd.

holt_bruce81
02-27-2009, 12:43 PM
Martin Rucker.....Cleveland's #1 TE?

fear the elf
02-27-2009, 12:44 PM
love winslow, but i agree with what a lot of other browns fans are saying in that you just don't know how much time he has left so we might as well get something for him while we can because his career is just going to waste at this point.

2nd and 3rd would be great, exactly what i was hoping for.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 12:44 PM
Martin Rucker.....Cleveland's #1 TE?

Browns need Dinkins back he's the best player in the history of the nfl.

art vandelay
02-27-2009, 12:45 PM
A 2nd and 3rd seems like an awful lot. Haven't seen it confirmed though.

Menardo75
02-27-2009, 12:53 PM
Really wanna know what the Browns got for him.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 12:57 PM
In the winslow bucs conference did anyone else hear someone say "I know you ride a bike" or whatever when he was talking to "Roy"

I wasn't sure if that's what I heard or not just asking.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
02-27-2009, 01:00 PM
Really wanna know what the Browns got for him.

Hearing it's a 2nd & a 2010 2nd-5th depending on production next year.

Nitschke-Hawk
02-27-2009, 01:07 PM
Winslow sucks. He's TO without the production. I'm tired of hearing about upside with him.... he's as soft as Charmin.

Good move by the Browns.

For Tampa, it's worth the risk. But between Winslow and Antonio Bryant... attitudes are starting to pile up.

I can't believe nobody is responding to this statement.

Dude. Are you out of your mind?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5531

You do realize he put up these numbers playing for the Cleveland Browns? The CLEVELAND ******* BROWNS. The team who, just within the last few years has finally found a decent Quarterback, coincidentally, while Kellen was on the team!

04 he broke his leg. You can't play a whole season with a broken leg!

05 Was the motorcycle accident. Sure he was being dumb. But you can't
play a whole season with a torn ACL! He also had a 6 week staph infection from this injury.

06 He clearly took advantage of BEING ABLE to play. As evidenced by 89 catches for 875 yards. After the season he had microfracture surgery to repair his knee further.

07 He had a monster season. This was AFTER the microfracture surgery. 82 catches and 1100 yards for a Tight End sure is soft, huh! What is tough? Like 2000 yards??

08 He played 10 games due to a staph infection. He would have 700 yards easy if it wasn't for that. He was hospitalized. He had over 400 yards in 10 games though.

The Browns have had 7 staph infections in the last few years. One of them basically ended LeCharles Bentley's career. It's serious stuff.

Call him injury prone, but you can't call him soft, and you can't say he doesn't produce. He can't produce with serious season ending injuries.

The only thing that makes sense is that things could be combustible if Tampa sucks. With Bryant and Winslow.

Brown Leader
02-27-2009, 01:08 PM
NOOOOOOOOO!-wait-2nd and a 3rd?

ATLDirtyBirds
02-27-2009, 01:09 PM
Ugh. I like Winslow.

AkiliSmith
02-27-2009, 01:12 PM
I think we will start seeing a lot more mocks with Crabtree going to the Browns now.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 01:12 PM
Does anyone know when Winslow gets to fail his physical so he can come back to Cleveland?

Me Likey Rookies
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
If its a 2nd and 3rd I hope he does fail his physical. But it is looking like a 2009 2nd and 2010 5th. I hoped it was gonna be for a 3rd.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 01:44 PM
If its a 2nd and 3rd I hope he does fail his physical. But it is looking like a 2009 2nd and 2010 5th. I hoped it was gonna be for a 3rd.

So you were hoping the Browns would give him up for free basically? This isn't madden.

Flyboy
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
I think we will start seeing a lot more mocks with Crabtree going to the Browns now.

Don't you go cursing my favorite draft prospect like that.

Me Likey Rookies
02-27-2009, 02:04 PM
So you were hoping the Browns would give him up for free basically? This isn't madden.

If you listen to the browns fans on here, Winslow has half a season before his knee goes javon walker.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 02:24 PM
If you listen to the browns fans on here, Winslow has half a season before his knee goes javon walker.

Awesome? So some "fans" know the exact medical status of Kellen Winslow Jr. knee better than the Bucs and Browns do... Right???

Kellen Winslow's knee has been bad the past 3 years, and he went to the pro bowl 1 year and set the browns record for receptions in another... He sucks.

kalbears13
02-27-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm sad to see him go but I'm glad we got some picks for him. I wish him the best in Tampa Bay. He'll play 100% until his leg falls off. I really hope the Browns can find Quinn a reliable receiving option this off-season.

keylime_5
02-27-2009, 02:52 PM
2009 2nd round pick and a 2010 5th round pick.

D-Rod
02-27-2009, 02:54 PM
Thing is, there are so many good receiving TE options in the draft, who cost much less, and would be available with that 2nd rounder, or even a 3rd.

They'd be similar to KW, but without the huge contract, ego, and injury problems. Not quite the athlete, but not that far off really, especially post knee surgeries.

It has repeatedly been shown that a TE drafted in the 2nd (or later) can develop into a quality player quickly: e.g. Tony Scheffler, Owen Daniels, Zach Miller, etc...

None are quite the game changer that KW can be, but are far more reasonable, especially for a team that is apparently rebuilding.

d34ng3l021
02-27-2009, 03:11 PM
Thing is, there are so many good receiving TE options in the draft, who cost much less, and would be available with that 2nd rounder, or even a 3rd.

They'd be similar to KW, but without the huge contract, ego, and injury problems. Not quite the athlete, but not that far off really, especially post knee surgeries.

It has repeatedly been shown that a TE drafted in the 2nd (or later) can develop into a quality player quickly: e.g. Tony Scheffler, Owen Daniels, Zach Miller, etc...

None are quite the game changer that KW can be, but are far more reasonable, especially for a team that is apparently rebuilding.

They would be not similar to KW at all. Ego or not, Kellen Winslow is the #2 or #3 receiving TE in the NFL when he plays. He poses a huge mismatch for defenses. Winslow is a much better receiver than those players listed (except maybe Daniels) after his injury problems.

As for the move itself, I think it is a good one. The Saints and Falcons have no answer for him.

kalbears13
02-27-2009, 03:13 PM
2009 2nd round pick and a 2010 5th round pick.

Eh...I'm a little bit disappointed after hearing a 2nd and a 3rd. I think he's worth more than a 2009 2nd round pick and 2010 5th round. Where did you get this btw?

keylime_5
02-27-2009, 03:17 PM
plain dealer, but it's from schefter and clayton too. Some think his skills were deteriorating a bit since a couple years ago, I'm all for 3 picks in the top 50 picks of the draft.

Caddy
02-27-2009, 03:45 PM
To be honest this move completely shocked me. It came out of nowhere as far as the Buccaneers are concerned. If reports are correct and it is for a 2nd and a 5th, I don't mind it all that much.

ChazMonk
02-27-2009, 04:18 PM
Unless it's for a 1st round pick, the Browns are stupid.

I feel so bad for Browns fans. Just terrible management.

Like most people on this thread, your comments reak of ignorance. He was becoming a cancer to the team, his knees are rubble, and he was always complaining about his contract. No one in the league was going to give the Browns a 1st round pick for him; they got two picks. Everyone that knows football has said today that this is a great move by Cleveland. Who you should be feeling sorry for is TB, who just got a player whos better days are behind him and is a pain the the rear to deal with.

wonderbredd24
02-27-2009, 04:44 PM
plain dealer, but it's from schefter and clayton too. Some think his skills were deteriorating a bit since a couple years ago, I'm all for 3 picks in the top 50 picks of the draft.

Perhaps 4 depending on what they can get for Derek Anderson

keylime_5
02-27-2009, 05:30 PM
If we can move Derek Anderson then we'll be in business in terms of first day draft picks. We can get potentially get 4 or 5 starters in this draft if we get a 2nd or early third for DA.

TRJ997
02-27-2009, 05:39 PM
This thread has done a good job of outlining the Pros and Cons for both teams. As a Bucs fan, I am happy about the trade. Winslow is young enough to get his career on track and he would be a major upgrade to our receiving corp. Sure he comes with downside, but so does every player drafted in the mid/late 2nd round.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 06:13 PM
The Browns would be absolutely ******** if they traded Derek Anderson for anything less than a high second, he was a pro bowl QB 2 years ago, had a bad year with people playing terrible around him. At least keep him as a back-up QB if youre only going to get mid 2nd or worse.

BrownsTown
02-27-2009, 07:50 PM
The Browns would be absolutely ******** if they traded Derek Anderson for anything less than a high second, he was a pro bowl QB 2 years ago, had a bad year with people playing terrible around him. At least keep him as a back-up QB if youre only going to get mid 2nd or worse.

A backup QB with a huge contract. Mid 2nd would be decent value for a guy who is inconsistent but certainly has ability.

Also this is a decent deal. I'm confused as to why people are so surprised.

PoopSandwich
02-27-2009, 11:24 PM
A backup QB with a huge contract. Mid 2nd would be decent value for a guy who is inconsistent but certainly has ability.

Also this is a decent deal. I'm confused as to why people are so surprised.

It would be DECENT value but not GOOD value... I want good value for a guy who went to the pro bowl only a year ago, and while he was bad this year he had NO help around him this year what so ever.

That on top of the fact that Quinn looked very bad in 2 of the 3 games he played in.

Menardo75
02-28-2009, 01:37 AM
It really is a shame to see what has happened to Derek Anderson happen. Sadley we all saw it coming. He needs to be traded, the media won't let him start in Cleveland.

BrownsTown
02-28-2009, 10:59 AM
I do feel bad for him but, hey, if he played well it never would have happened. He deserves a shot to start somewhere else but I'm not going to feel bad for him if he gets traded because he was playing bad and got replaced. Quinn was mediocre as well but if they're about the same, Quinn is younger, and Anderson has more value, it makes sense to trade DA.

zCaddyz
02-28-2009, 11:20 AM
Hell yeah KW back in the sunshine state baby! But i hope he proves everyone wrong stay healty "Warm weather helps" and stright beast it this year. I wonder whats gonna happen to alex smith T.E. because i think he can be very good too?

Beans
02-28-2009, 11:22 AM
i like alex smith he'll still be a factor, i think

Brown Leader
02-28-2009, 11:23 AM
Like most people on this thread, your comments reak of ignorance. He was becoming a cancer to the team, his knees are rubble, and he was always complaining about his contract. No one in the league was going to give the Browns a 1st round pick for him; they got two picks. Everyone that knows football has said today that this is a great move by Cleveland. Who you should be feeling sorry for is TB, who just got a player whos better days are behind him and is a pain the the rear to deal with.

Sorry friend. I can think of at least 5-6 football analysts that don't like the trade-given the lack of real talent on the Browns and the development of Quinn. Team "cancers" is becoming an easy explanation NFL cliche.... Unless you shoot yourself in the leg.

BlindSite
02-28-2009, 07:22 PM
If we can move Derek Anderson then we'll be in business in terms of first day draft picks. We can get potentially get 4 or 5 starters in this draft if we get a 2nd or early third for DA.

I still don't mind Anderson coming to Carolina if that were possible. Hell now you guys have two seconds, package both of those with DA and offer Peppers, I'd be pretty happy with 3 2nd rounders in lieu of a 1st.

He's young, at least serviceable (needs some work) and wouldn't be a bad option once Delhomme retires (not far off imo).

I like what the Browns are doing this year after spending so many of their picks and cash on stuff that didn't really pan out last year.

j05son
02-28-2009, 08:06 PM
Sorry friend. I can think of at least 5-6 football analysts that don't like the trade-given the lack of real talent on the Browns and the development of Quinn. Team "cancers" is becoming an easy explanation NFL cliche.... Unless you shoot yourself in the leg.

Why was it a bad move?

We have TE depth in Heiden, Dinkins and Rucker even though Heiden and Rucker are coming off of injuries. When Winslow was out last year Heiden was more then fine in his spot.

Like Wonderbredd stated, Winslow is on borrowed time, he's coming off of a broken leg, torn acl, [insert number] knee surgeries, shoulder surgeries and that list is growing and growing. Yeah Winslow is a beast and always played through it as much as possible but that's going to catch up with him. You have to start wondering if his NFL days are numbered yet.

Plus Winslow wanted a new contract which we weren't going to give him.

Winslow was one of my favorite players on the Browns but really, I'm not going to miss his inability to block anything, or all the headcase penalties he caused with the play no where near him. He's a good football player but you can see that with injuries, depth at TE, payday he wants, his "I want out of Cleveland" attitude, his inability to block, the boneheaded penalties, his selfishness and the fact he's going to be a Free Agent soon caused us to pull the trigger on him.

I do wish we would have gotten more for him however. =\