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gpngc
03-02-2009, 02:21 AM
*In a collaborative effort to quantify the unquantifiable, let's rate NFL players.

*This is for the "X is better than Y" arguments. Let's try to get to some consensus as to who is better between X and Y. Obviously, most arguments will have to end with an agreement to disagree. That's OK- just leave it at that- I'll try to make one unbiased final call on the rating.

*Ratings are subjective- remember this too! There are no right answers. There will always be some level opinion in a rating, but we are aiming for the best interpretation of the "rating" of each NFL player.

*What we are rating- Production (stats + non-statistical performance), skills, talent, intangibles, athleticism, success- WE ARE NOT ADJUSTING RATINGS BASED ON OFF-FIELD OR TEAM CHEMISTRY-RELATED ISSUES because we don't know the real story of each and every individual involved with every situation.

*Obviously it will be tough to rate players who haven't played much (Owen Schmitt), but we'll do our best to project (this is a draft site, right?)

*I want feedback and help but don't blast anyone for rating people incorrectly in your opinion. Provide an argument why he should be rated higher or lower and if the proof is there along with others that agree, the rating will change.

*Overall ratings. Here is the scale:

99 = Elite HOF player in the prime of his career. Probably THE greatest ever at his position. Dominant beyond comprehension. Think Michael Jordan. No one in the league is currently there.

98 = Elite HOF player in the prime of his career with everything in his game. Minor flaws that make him human.

95-97 = Only the best players in the league. These are probable HOF talents with little or no weaknesses. This rating is not thrown around to every pro bowler.

90-94 = Most "star" players will fit in this category. An all-pro talent with few weaknesses.

86-89 = Arguably all-pro talent but with some questions. Solid starter-quality players at the very least.

80-85 = Solid starter-level talent.

75- 79 = Fringe starter/solid reserve-level talent.

70-74 = Solid reserve-level talent.

60-70 = A reserve-level player not best suited to start.

50-60 = A fringe reserve-level player who could either just play specials or be on the practice squad.

<50 = Bad player.

*These should not be like Madden ratings (where everyone is rated way too high).

*Extra notes
(U) = Upside. This isn't for every young player. This is for guys who have shown so much that they could potentially move up to the elite level of their position (88-99 range). Think Matt Ryan, Calvin Johnson, Ryan Clady or Adrian Peterson.

I'll start with the QBs to get the ball rolling:

QB
P. Manning, Colts- 98
T. Brady, Patriots- 98
D. Brees, Saints- 93
T. Romo, Cowboys- 88 (Lower?)
P. Rivers, Chargers- 87
J. Cutler, Broncos- 87
D. McNabb, Eagles- 87
K. Warner, Free Agent- 86
C. Palmer, Bengals- 86
B. Roethlisberger, Steelers- 85 (Higher?)
E. Manning, Giants- 84
A. Rodgers, Packers- 84
M. Hasselbeck, Seahawks- 83
M. Ryan, Falcons- 83 (U)
M. Schaub, Texans- 80
M. Bulger, Rams- 80
K. Collins, Titans- 79
D. Garrard, Jaguars- 79
C. Pennington, Dolphins- 79 (Lower?)
J. Flacco, Ravens- 78
M. Cassel, Chiefs- 77
J. Delhomme, Panthers- 76
J. Campbell, Redskins- 76
T. Edwards, Bills- 74
J. Russell, Raiders- 74
S. Hill, 49ers- 73
S. Rosenfels, Vikings- 72

Mr. Stiller
03-02-2009, 02:32 AM
Roethlisberger an 85?

Romo, Cutler and Rivers deserve better ratings because?

dolphinfan2k5
03-02-2009, 02:39 AM
Chad Pennington's not even a solid started? That's funny. I wonder how a fringe level starter had the second best QB rating in the league. I'd say he's mid-high 80's at least. These categories confuse me though, just cause a person isn't in the "prime" of there career doesn't mean they can't still be amongst the best.

OneToughGame
03-02-2009, 02:42 AM
Personally I'd put Hasselbeck at a 87 or so.

I'll try a few MLB's I guess since it's my favorite position. I'm not doing this in order of who I think is in the top 5 or top 10.

Patrick Willis - 94
Ray Lewis - 94
Brian Urlacher - 92
Jon Beason - 92
Lofa Tatupu - 90
Demeco Ryans - 89
Jerod Mayo - 89 (I really love this guy already)
James Farrior - 87
Jon Vilma - 86




I'll work on this more later.

Caddy
03-02-2009, 02:54 AM
Barrett Ruud - 99

gpngc
03-02-2009, 03:12 AM
Chad Pennington's not even a solid started? That's funny. I wonder how a fringe level starter had the second best QB rating in the league. I'd say he's mid-high 80's at least. These categories confuse me though, just cause a person isn't in the "prime" of there career doesn't mean they can't still be amongst the best.

I think I'm for bumping up Penny a little bit. I think 80 is fair. Anyone else?

Also on second glance think Romo is too high at 88.

A 99 does not mean a player is amongst the best. It means he is the best RELATIVE to the history of the league. Which is why he probably would be in his prime. I mean I guess it's possible that he's not, but...

Everyone is taking my ratings scale to literally- it is just there as a guideline so nickel CBs aren't rated 84.

As for the Big Ben 85. IDK- the QB debates are so difficult to come to a solid conclusion on. Team success is a small part of the criteria but the rating is simply "who is better". If you ask me, Cutler is better than Ben even though Ben has had more success. This is where the debate gets hairy/fun. What does everyone else think about the Rivers/Romo/Cutler/Ben quagmire? The thing is I'm pretty sure if you asked 5 people there would be 5 different rankings of the players... should we just rank them all 87 and get on with it? That's what this project is for us to decide...

Bengalsrocket
03-02-2009, 04:07 AM
C. Palmer - 99
C. Ocho Cinco - 99

YES, THAT JUST HAPPENED.

No, but in all honestly I think rankings are hard in the NFL because it's such a team sport. in the NBA you might have 1 player who can just dominate a court by himself, but that's clearly not true in the NFL. Would certain QB's be ranked higher if they had better running backs, better receivers, better offensive linemen or even a better defense (or... a worse defense?)

Anyways, it can still be a neat concept, but I just always found that football is the hardest sport to rank players in.

Halsey
03-02-2009, 04:09 AM
One problem I have with rating players is how many players fluctuate from game to game, season to season. Kurt Warner went from best QB in the league to dealing with health issues and not playing particularly well to back to pro bowl calibre. Guys like Eli Manning and DeAngelo Hall can play like Pro Bowlers one game and stink the next.

Also, durability needs to be part of the evaluation. A guy like John Abraham can be elite when healthy, but he also has seasons when he misses several games and takes a hit when on the field because of nagging injuries.

Michigan
03-02-2009, 06:12 AM
Daunte Culpepper 74
Kevin Smith 80
Jerome Felton 73
Calvin Johnson 96
Bryant Johnson 76
Michael Gaines 71
Jeff Backus 75
Stephen Peterman 68
Dominic Raiola 77
Edwin Mulitalo 73
Gosder Cherilus 73

Dwayne White 78
Cory Redding 81
Shaun Cody 65
Cliff Avril 71
Ernie Sims 84
Paris Lenon 72
Alex Lewis 71
Anthony Henry 73
Travis Fisher 67
Gerald Alexander 76
Kalvin Pearson 72

Jason Hanson 93
Nick Harris 75

sbh15
03-02-2009, 06:19 AM
Patrick Willis - 94
Ray Lewis - 94
Brian Urlacher - 92
Jon Beason - 92
Lofa Tatupu - 90
Demeco Ryans - 89
Jerod Mayo - 89 (I really love this guy already)
James Farrior - 87
Jon Vilma - 86

Ray is easily a 97 - the only thing that puts him outside of a 98 is that he's past his prime.

Willis has a long way to go before being on Lewis' level for a career.

And Tony Gonzalez might be a 99 I'm not sure about records and what not, but doesn't he hold most of them for TE's? He's probably the most dominant TE in a while at the very least.

art vandelay
03-02-2009, 08:56 AM
Seriously? Trent Edwards 74???

The Great Jonathan Vilma
03-02-2009, 08:57 AM
Ray is easily a 97 - the only thing that puts him outside of a 98 is that he's past his prime.

Willis has a long way to go before being on Lewis' level for a career.

And Tony Gonzalez might be a 99 I'm not sure about records and what not, but doesn't he hold most of them for TE's? He's probably the most dominant TE in a while at the very least.

If this is based on strictly today, then 'for a career' and records doesn't really matter. 'he's probably the most dominant TE in a while'...stating some good stuff.

Sorry to be sarcastic, but this post doesn't seem to be on target to me.

vikes_28
03-02-2009, 09:06 AM
I'll start with the QBs to get the ball rolling:

QB
P. Manning, Colts- 98
T. Brady, Patriots- 98
D. Brees, Saints- 93
T. Romo, Cowboys- 88 (Lower?)
P. Rivers, Chargers- 87
J. Cutler, Broncos- 87
D. McNabb, Eagles- 87
K. Warner, Free Agent- 86
C. Palmer, Bengals- 86
B. Roethlisberger, Steelers- 85 (Higher?)
E. Manning, Giants- 84
A. Rodgers, Packers- 84
M. Hasselbeck, Seahawks- 83
M. Ryan, Falcons- 83 (U)
M. Schaub, Texans- 80
M. Bulger, Rams- 80
K. Collins, Titans- 79
D. Garrard, Jaguars- 79
C. Pennington, Dolphins- 79 (Lower?)
J. Flacco, Ravens- 78
M. Cassel, Chiefs- 77
J. Delhomme, Panthers- 76
J. Campbell, Redskins- 76
T. Edwards, Bills- 74
J. Russell, Raiders- 74
S. Hill, 49ers- 73
S. Rosenfels, Vikings- 72

The last 4 shouldn't even be on the list.

21ST
03-02-2009, 09:11 AM
The last 4 shouldn't even be on the list.

last 5 shouldnt

sbh15
03-02-2009, 09:12 AM
If this is based on strictly today, then 'for a career' and records doesn't really matter. 'he's probably the most dominant TE in a while'...stating some good stuff.

Sorry to be sarcastic, but this post doesn't seem to be on target to me.

I don't take any offense, but nowhere does it say this is based strictly on today.

In fact, some of the ratings are based on being the greatest at a position all time.

I could understand your point otherwise, but I didn't understand this to be today's ratings.

Number 10
03-02-2009, 09:18 AM
This is pointless. Everyone is going to cry and moan about their favorite players not getting the grade they want.

Matthew Jones
03-02-2009, 09:40 AM
Patriots starters:

QB Tom Brady - 98
RB Laurence Maroney - 78
RB Fred Taylor - 74
WR Randy Moss - 92
WR Wes Welker - 87
TE Ben Watson - 75
LT Matt Light - 82
LG Logan Mankins - 85
C Dan Koppen - 84
RG Stephen Neal - 80
RT Nick Kaczur - 76

LE Ty Warren - 89
NT Vince Wilfork - 94
RE Richard Seymour - 92
LB Pierre Woods - 74
LB Tedy Bruschi - 75
LB Jerod Mayo - 89
LB Adalius Thomas - 86
CB Ellis Hobbs - 79
CB Tyrone Wheatley - 72
FS James Sanders - 79
SS Brandon Meriweather - 84

K Stephen Gostkowski - 93
P Chris Hanson - 80

Bonus:

QB Matt Cassel, Chiefs - 85
LB Mike Vrabel, Chiefs - 79

bantx
03-02-2009, 10:07 AM
Of course i think Philip Rivers deserves higher. Higher than Romo for sure.

MetSox17
03-02-2009, 10:15 AM
Ethan Albright - 24

Go_Eagles77
03-02-2009, 10:33 AM
Since I'm bored I'll do the eagles.

Donovan McNabb - 85
Brian Westbrook - 87
Dan Klecko - 60
DeSean Jackson - 82
Kevin Curtis - 78
Jason Avant - 72
Brent Celek - 75
(Offensive Line is very confusing right now)
Todd Herremans - 80
Jamaal Jackson - 78
Shawn Andrews - 91
Stacy Andrews - 77
Nick Cole - 75
Max Jean-Gilles - 74

Trent Cole - 88
Darren Howard - 76
Juqua Parker - 80
Chris Clemons - 75
Victor Abiamiri - 72
Brodrick Bunkley - 82
Mike Patterson - 79
Akeem Jordan - 74
Stewart Bradley - 80
Chris Gocong - 75
Asante Samuel - 83
Sheldon Brown - 86
Joselio Hanson - 75
Quintin Mikell - 84
Quintin Demps - 68

David Akers - 75
Sav Rocca - 70

tjsunstein
03-02-2009, 10:43 AM
Aaron Rodgers - I think he was fairly assessed an 84, so I'll stick with it. I'll add the (U) notation, though.
Ryan Grant - 82
Greg Jennings - 91 (U)
Donald Driver - 87
Donald Lee - 80

Not sure what the shake up of the O-Line will be by the start of the season and I'm not sure how our front seven will play with the switch to the 34 so I'll carry on to our secondary.

Charles Woodson - 95
Al Harris - 87
Nick Collins - 86 (U)
Atari Bigby - 77

BaLLiN
03-02-2009, 11:00 AM
Ill Do giants

QB: E. Manning 87
RB: B. Jacobs 89
FB: M. Hedgecock 79
WR: P. Burress was 93 now is 86
WR: S. Smith 79.5
TE: K. Boss 76
OT: D. Diehl 87
OT: K. McKenzie 76
OG: R. Siebert 73
OG: C. Snee 91

DE: O. Umenyiora 89
DT: F. Robbins 76
DT: B. Coefield 78
DE: J. Tuck 90
OLB: M. Boley 84
MLB: A. Pierce 87
OLB: D. Clark 77
CB: C. Webster 85.5
CB: A. Ross 84
FS: K. Phillips 79.5
SS: M. Johnson 78

P: J. Feagles 100 ZOMGZ
K: Lawrence Tynes 2.0000001 x -1

gpngc
03-02-2009, 11:14 AM
Thanks for everyone's input! When I get a chance I'll go through the info and put the data in the first post as a starting point. Would we prefer position rankings or team-by-team depth charts or both???

Clear some things up...

The ratings are what type of player you are RIGHT NOW THIS SECOND. Which means- John Abraham is healthy right now so he's an 89ish. The idea of the "history of the league" stuff is just to prove the point that the highest ratings are not taken lightly and are not given out to the best players in the league right now. What the point is, is to allow for Michael Jordan to get the 99 in the year 1996, not LeBron to get it in 2006 just because he is the best player in the league that year.

Ray Lewis is no where near a 97. He's somewhere in the 80's. But that's a perfect example. 2000 Ray Lewis would be a candidate for a 97 or maybe 98 but there is no ILB right now who is as good as he was then. Get it? Patrick Willis might be the best ILB in the league right now in relation to the other players, but in comparison to the 99 inhuman "perfect" MLB or the 97 2000 Ray Lewis, he stacks up as a 93 (U).

Again this is not career awards. This is a players value right now. It is a game-to-game league, which is why the best time to do this is the offseason.

This surely IS the most difficult sport to do this with, but it's the offseason and it makes for some good debates/interesting insight as to player value and how "good" they really are thought of to be.

Again, thanks to those who contributed!

wicket
03-02-2009, 11:33 AM
Saints:
QB Drew Brees 93
RB Reggie Bush 86(not as a rb only but he brings a LOT to the field)
RB Pierre Thomas 76
FB Mike Karney 84
TE Jeremy Shockey 82 (can play anything from 70-94)
LT Jammaal Brown 88
LG Carl Nicks 80
C Jonathan Goodwin 71
RG Jahri Evans 90
RT Jon Stinchcomb 76

DE Charles Grant 80
DE Will Smith 82
DT Sedrick Ellis 83
DT Kendrick Clancy 73
SLB Scott Fujita 79
WLB Scott Shanle 74
MLB Jonathan Vilma 87
CB Mike McKenzie 82 (iff healthy)
CB Tracy Porter 81
SS Roman Harper 80
FS Kevin Kaesviharn 1 (well really more like 68 or something)

Brown Leader
03-02-2009, 02:20 PM
Snow storm in the East-got some time.
Team by team I'd say

Browns:

WR-Stallworth 73
OLT-J.Thomas 91
OLG-Steinbach 82
C-Fraley 78
ORG-Hadnot 72
ORT-Shaffer 75
TE-Heiden 79
WR-Edwards 86
QB-Quinn 80
RB-J.Lewis 82
FB-Vickers 80

DE-C.Williams 75
NT-Rogers 90
DE-R.Smith 76
LOLB-A.Hall 74
LILB-L.Williams 68
RILB-D.Jackson 84
ROLB-Wimbley 79
LCB-Wright 81
RCB-McDonald 80
SS-Sorenson 60
FS-Pool 80

RS-Cribbs 94

That was depressing.

Strongside
03-02-2009, 02:40 PM
Wr: Hines Ward - 86
Wr: Santonio Holmes - 87 with upside
Qb: Ben Roethlisberger - 88
Rb: Willie Parker - 82
Fb: Carey Davis - 65
Te: Heath Hiller - 88
Ot: Max Starks - 83
Ot: Willie Colon - 68
G: Darnell Stapleton - 69
G: Chris Kemo - 76
C: Justin Hartwig - 82

De: Aaron Smith - 91
De: Brett Keisel - 84
Nt: Casey Hampton - 88
Olb: James Harrison - 95
Olb: LaMarr Woodley - 89
Ilb: James Farrior - 88
Ilb: Lawrence Timmons - 85 with upside
Cb: Ike Taylor - 85.5
Cb: Will Ga.y - 80 with upside
Ss: Troy Polamalu - 96
Fs: Ryan Clark - 86


I'm probably a homer, but I tried.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
03-02-2009, 02:46 PM
Wr: Hines Ward - 86
Wr: Santonio Holmes - 87 with upside
Qb: Ben Roethlisberger - 88
Rb: Willie Parker - 82
Fb: Carey Davis - 65
Te: Heath Hiller - 88
Ot: Max Starks - 83
Ot: Willie Colon - 68
G: Darnell Stapleton - 69
G: Chris Kemo - 76
C: Justin Hartwig - 82

De: Aaron Smith - 91
De: Brett Keisel - 84
Nt: Casey Hampton - 88
Olb: James Harrison - 95
Olb: LaMarr Woodley - 89
Ilb: James Farrior - 88
Ilb: Lawrence Timmons - 85 with upside
Cb: Ike Taylor - 85.5
Cb: Will Ga.y - 80 with upside
Ss: Troy Polamalu - 96
Fs: Ryan Clark - 86


I'm probably a homer, but I tried.

Well I ******* hate your team but I do not have a problem with it.

Todd Bertuzzi
03-02-2009, 02:57 PM
Since I'm bored I'll do the eagles.

Donovan McNabb - 85
Brian Westbrook - 87
Dan Klecko - 60
DeSean Jackson - 82
Kevin Curtis - 78
Jason Avant - 72
Brent Celek - 75
(Offensive Line is very confusing right now)
Todd Herremans - 80
Jamaal Jackson - 78
Shawn Andrews - 91
Stacy Andrews - 77
Nick Cole - 75
Max Jean-Gilles - 74

Trent Cole - 88
Darren Howard - 76
Juqua Parker - 80
Chris Clemons - 75
Victor Abiamiri - 72
Brodrick Bunkley - 82
Mike Patterson - 79
Akeem Jordan - 74
Stewart Bradley - 80
Chris Gocong - 75
Asante Samuel - 83
Sheldon Brown - 86
Joselio Hanson - 75
Quintin Mikell - 84
Quintin Demps - 68

David Akers - 75
Sav Rocca - 70


Seems good, but Westbrook is at least a 90 imo.

dolphinfan2k5
03-02-2009, 02:58 PM
I think I'm for bumping up Penny a little bit. I think 80 is fair. Anyone else?


Awesome, so the fact that he had the second best QB rating in the league convinced you to bump him up a whopping one point? lol

abaddon41_80
03-02-2009, 02:59 PM
QB
P. Manning, Colts- 98
T. Brady, Patriots- 98
D. Brees, Saints- 93
T. Romo, Cowboys- 88 (Lower?)
P. Rivers, Chargers- 87
J. Cutler, Broncos- 87
D. McNabb, Eagles- 87
K. Warner, Free Agent- 86
C. Palmer, Bengals- 86
B. Roethlisberger, Steelers- 85 (Higher?)
E. Manning, Giants- 84
A. Rodgers, Packers- 84
M. Hasselbeck, Seahawks- 83
M. Ryan, Falcons- 83 (U)
M. Schaub, Texans- 80
M. Bulger, Rams- 80
K. Collins, Titans- 79
D. Garrard, Jaguars- 79
C. Pennington, Dolphins- 79 (Lower?)
J. Flacco, Ravens- 78
M. Cassel, Chiefs- 77
J. Delhomme, Panthers- 76
J. Campbell, Redskins- 76
T. Edwards, Bills- 74
J. Russell, Raiders- 74
S. Hill, 49ers- 73
S. Rosenfels, Vikings- 72

I know you don't like Shaun Hill but that is ridiculous. His accomplishments, numbers, and win percentage are better than at least half the people you have ahead of him

vidae
03-02-2009, 03:02 PM
Tony Gonzalez - 99, LOCK IT UP

gpngc
03-02-2009, 03:05 PM
Awesome, so the fact that he had the second best QB rating in the league convinced you to bump him up a whopping one point? lol

Stats do have some value in this rating process, but these are not fantasy ratings. Besides QB rating is the stupidest stat ever invented.

Your point is taken. Yes, Pennington had a FANTASTIC season last year but he is not a great player by any stretch. I've seen him for years as a New Yorker and sometimes his physical deficiencies do hurt him. We all know his strengths, but even with his incredible intangibles he still hasn't been able to overcome lack of arm strength to the point where he has taken his team deep into the playoffs (relevant because he was cut from one team and has been in the league for a while). 79-80 is JMO. We could argue about Penny for days, but let's just agree to disagree. Anyone else like to weigh in on Pennington. Again, I think 79 is fair but i would not be opposed to 80.

More comments to come as I get a chance to review some of the posts...

Thanks to everyone who contributed!

gpngc
03-02-2009, 03:07 PM
I know you don't like Shaun Hill but that is ridiculous. His accomplishments, numbers, and win percentage are better than at least half the people you have ahead of him

I'll admit to being a J. Russell fan, so maybe you are right there. Anyone, thoughts?

Anyone else? Is Shaun Hill better than Trent Edwards, Jason Campbell, or Jake Delhomme? (Don't think you have an argument about anyone else above him.)

dolphinfan2k5
03-02-2009, 03:15 PM
Stats do have some value in this rating process, but these are not fantasy ratings. Besides QB rating is the stupidest stat ever invented.

Your point is taken. Yes, Pennington had a FANTASTIC season last year but he is not a great player by any stretch. I've seen him for years as a New Yorker and sometimes his physical deficiencies do hurt him. We all know his strengths, but even with his incredible intangibles he still hasn't been able to overcome lack of arm strength to the point where he has taken his team deep into the playoffs (relevant because he was cut from one team and has been in the league for a while). 79-80 is JMO. We could argue about Penny for days, but let's just agree to disagree. Anyone else like to weigh in on Pennington. Again, I think 79 is fair but i would not be opposed to 80.

More comments to come as I get a chance to review some of the posts...

Thanks to everyone who contributed!

Okie dokie, point taken, but I watched every Fins game last year and have seen him as a Jet countless times, and he's definitely one of the top 15 starters. You bring up the Playoffs, but there are players rated higher than him that haven't even been in the playoffs, specifically Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Schaub. I don't think his lack of arm strength has been the determining factor in his playoff success, I don't really understand your point on that one. We'll wait for others to weigh in though.

d34ng3l021
03-02-2009, 03:35 PM
Matt Ryan - 99 (U)

ShyneQuasiOG22
03-02-2009, 03:55 PM
Jake Delhomme - 76
DeAngelo Williams - 88
Jonathan Stewart - 82 (U)
Brad Hoover - 74
Steve Smith - 93
Mushin Muhammad - 79
Jeff King - 68
Jordan Gross - 90
Travelle Wharton - 86
Ryan Kalil - 80
Keydrick Vincent - 76
Jeff Otah - 85 (U)

Julius Peppers - 91
Tyler Brayton - 75
Maake Kemoeatu - 78
Damione Lewis - 78
Na’il Diggs - 72
Jon Beason - 87 (U)
Thomas Davis - 83
Chris Gamble - 86
Ken Lucas - 75
Richard Marshall - 77 (U)
Chris Harris - 81
Charles Godfrey - 73

John Kasey - 88
Jason Baker - 77

TheBuffaloBills
03-02-2009, 04:09 PM
This is going to be sad

QB:Trent Edwards: 77
RB:Marshawn Lynch: 91 (Should be higher if he only had a below average or better OL
RB: Fred Jackson: 86
FB: Corey McIntyre: 68
WR: Lee Evans: 83
WR: Josh Reed: 75
TE: Derek Schouman: 68
LT: Jason Peters: 84 (He can get back into that 90+ overall)
LG: Geoff Hangartner: 77?
C: Melvin Fowler: 34
RG: Brad Butler: 77
RT: Langston Walker: 78
LE: Chris Kelsay: 75
RE: Aaron Schobel: 84
DT: Marcus Stroud: 86
LOLB: Keith Ellison: 74
MLB: Paul Posluszny: 81
ROLB: Kawika Mitchell: 80
CB: Terrence McGee: 86
CB: Leodis McKelvin: 81 (When you factor in returns)
FS: Ko Simpson: 75
SS: Donte Whitner: 83

K: Ryan Lindell: 80
P: Brian Moorman: >than any number imaginable

GET LOOSE
03-02-2009, 04:45 PM
QB. Clemens- 72(for now)
HB. T.Jones- 89 L.Washington- 83
FB. T.Richardson- 87
WR. J.Cotchery- 84
WR. C.Stucky- 77
TE. D.Keller- 82
T. Dbrick- 88
G. A.Fanaca- 94
C. N.Mangold- 93
G. B.Moore- 80
T. D.Woody-81
DE. S.Ellis- 85
NT. K.Jenkins- 92
DE. K.Coleman- 72
LB. C.Pace- 84
LB. B.Scott- 88
LB. D.Harris- 87
LB. B.Thomas- 76
CB. D.Revis- 95
CB. L.Sheppard- 81
S. K.Rhodes- 89
S. A.Elam- 68
K. J.Feely- 80
P. N/A

abaddon41_80
03-02-2009, 05:03 PM
I'll admit to being a J. Russell fan, so maybe you are right there. Anyone, thoughts?

Anyone else? Is Shaun Hill better than Trent Edwards, Jason Campbell, or Jake Delhomme? (Don't think you have an argument about anyone else above him.)

Hill is definitely better than the 4 you mentioned. I'd put him ahead of Flacco (at least right now), Bulger, Garrard, Collins, and possibly Hasselbeck as well.

JonasBlane
03-02-2009, 05:14 PM
Steelers
Ben Roethlisberger - 89
Willie Parker - 83
Mewelde Moore - 78
Hines Ward - 86
Santonio Holmes - 87
Heath Hiller - 89
Max Starks - 78
Willie Colon - 70
Darnell Stapleton - 72
Chris Kemo - 72
Justin Hartwig - 80

Aaron Smith - 92
Brett Keisel - 83
Casey Hampton - 89
James Harrison - 96
LaMarr Woodley - 87
James Farrior - 88
Lawrence Timmons - 85(U)
Ike Taylor - 85
Bryant McFadden - 82
Deshea Townsend - 80
Will Ga.y - 79
Troy Polamalu - 96
Ryan Clark - 86

Michigan
03-02-2009, 05:35 PM
QB. Clemens- 72(for now)
HB. T.Jones- 89 L.Washington- 83
FB. T.Richardson- 87
WR. J.Cotchery- 84
WR. C.Stucky- 77
TE. D.Keller- 82
T. Dbrick- 88
G. A.Fanaca- 94
C. N.Mangold- 93
G. B.Moore- 80
T. D.Woody-81
DE. S.Ellis- 85
NT. K.Jenkins- 92
DE. K.Coleman- 72
LB. C.Pace- 84
LB. B.Scott- 88
LB. D.Harris- 87
LB. B.Thomas- 76
CB. D.Revis- 95
CB. L.Sheppard- 81
S. K.Rhodes- 89
S. A.Elam- 68
K. J.Feely- 80
P. N/A

I see Madden ratings.

RaiderNation
03-02-2009, 05:37 PM
IDK how Russell is a 74 when it was his first season starting on a bad team. He has alot more upside then most all the QB's there

bearfan
03-02-2009, 05:49 PM
Bears:
QB- Kyle Orton - 78
RB- Matt Forte - 87
FB- Jason McKie - 72
WR- Devin Hester - 76
WR- Rashied Davis - 72
TE- Greg Olson/Desmond Clark - 85 a piece
LT- Chris Williams - ???
LG- Josh Beekman - 78
C- Olin Kruetz - 88
RG- Roberto Garza- 76
RT- ?? John St.Clair? - 75

DE- Alex Brown- 84
DT- Tommie Harris- 87
DT- Marcus Harrison/Isreal Idonije/Dusty Dvorchek - 76
DE- Adawale Ogunleye - 78
OLB- Lance Briggs - 93
MLB- Brian Urlacher - 91
OLB- Nick Roach/Hunter H - 75
CB- Charles Tillman - 84
CB- Nathan Vasher - 80
CB- Trumaine McBride/Corey Graham - 79
S- Kevin Payne - 77
S- Craig Steltz - 70

K- Robbie Gould - 91
P- Brad Maynard - 85

Caddy
03-02-2009, 05:56 PM
Tampa Bay

QB: Luke McCown - 74
RB: Earnest Graham - 83
FB: B.J. Askew - 84
WR: Antonio Bryant - 85
WR: Michael Clayton - 76
TE: Kellen Winslow - 85
LT: Donald Penn - 81
LG: Arron Sears - 82
C: Jeff Faine - 84
RG: Davin Joseph - 88
RT: Jeremy Trueblood - 79

DE: Gaines Adams - 81
DE: Greg White - 76
DT: Chris Hovan 77
DT: ? Some Scrub
OLB: Geno Hayes - 74
OLB: Quincy Black - 74
MLB: Barrett Ruud - 100000
S: Sabby Piscitelli - 77
S: Tanard Jackson - 83
CB: Ronde Barber - 91
CB: Aqib Talib - 83

K: Matt Bryant - 88
P: Josh Bidwell - 83

kiranadwaney
03-02-2009, 06:00 PM
For the Falcons

QB: M.Ryan-86 (U)
RB: M. Turner-90
RB: J. Norwood-78
FB: O. Mughelli-80
WR: R. White-87
TE: J. Peelle-74
LT: S. Baker-76 (U)
LG: J. Blalock-80
C: T. McClure-79
RG: H. Dahl-77
RT: T. Clabo-80
WR: M. Jenkins-77

LE: J. Anderson-71
DT: J. Babineaux-83
DT: K. Moorehead-70
RE: J. Abraham-90
SLB: C. Wire-70
MLB: C. Lofton-78 (U)
WLB: S. Nicholas-74
CB: C. Jackson-75 (U)
FS: E. Coleman-80
SS: J. Fudge-69
CB: C. Houston-79 (U)

K: J. Elam-85
P: M. Koenen-82

Rayray52
03-02-2009, 07:17 PM
Tampa Bay

QB: Luke McCown - 74
RB: Earnest Graham - 83
FB: B.J. Askew - 84
WR: Antonio Bryant - 85
WR: Michael Clayton - 76
TE: Kellen Winslow - 85
LT: Donald Penn - 81
LG: Arron Sears - 82
C: Jeff Faine - 84
RG: Davin Joseph - 88
RT: Jeremy Trueblood - 79

DE: Gaines Adams - 81
DE: Greg White - 76
DT: Chris Hovan 77
DT: ? Some Scrub
OLB: Geno Hayes - 74
OLB: Quincy Black - 74
MLB: Barrett Ruud - 100000
S: Sabby Piscitelli - 77
S: Tanard Jackson - 83
CB: Ronde Barber - 91
CB: Aqib Talib - 83

K: Matt Bryant - 88
P: Josh Bidwell - 83

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Jakey
03-02-2009, 07:34 PM
Lamarr Woodley - 100

Yep.

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OneToughGame
03-02-2009, 08:14 PM
Seahawks. With newly signed FA's of course ;)

Offense:
QB: Matt Hasselbeck - 86
RB: Julius Jones - 75
FB: Leonard Weaver - 80 (u) Owen Schmitt - 74 (u) I did both since since Weaver might not be back.
WR: T.J. Houshmandzadeh - 85
WR: Deion Branch - 79 (u)
TE: John Carlson - 83
LT: Walter Jones - 89 - Age is the only reason I don't have him well in the 90's
LG: Mike Wahle - 78
C: Chris Spencer - 70
RG: Floyd Womack (I think he's our best bet at RG) - 72
RT: Sean Locklear - 80

Defense:
LE: Patrick Kerney - 86
DT: Brandon Mebane - 82
DT: Colin Cole - (I have no idea, Packer fans please tell me your ideas.)
RE: Lawrence Jackson - 72 (u)
ROLB: Julian Peterson - 86
MLB: Lofa Tatupu - 90
LOLB: Leroy Hill - 87
CB: Marcus Trufant - 87 (u)
CB: Kelly Jennings - 74 (u)
FS: Brian Russell - 64
SS: Deon Grant - 79

Not going to do ST :P

Michigan
03-02-2009, 08:16 PM
WR: Deion Branch - 79 (u)


Does Deion Branch really have significant upside anymore? He's a couple months from being 30...

OneToughGame
03-02-2009, 08:20 PM
Does Deion Branch really have significant upside anymore? He's a couple months from being 30...

Well, when he's healthy he's played pretty well that's why I said upside. I probably should lower him a bit more and then put upside to him.

umphrey
03-02-2009, 08:46 PM
I like the idea, I wanted to point out one of my pet peeves though:

Why would you make a rating scale go from 1-100 and then make it so 99% (or higher) end up in the 50-100 range? Why not give yourself more freedom and put the practice squad level players around 10, and then have a nice easy average of 50?

umphrey
03-02-2009, 08:50 PM
Greg Jennings: 91
Donald Driver: 87
Aaron Rodgers: 93
Ryan Grant: 80
Brandon Jackson: 79
Aaron Kampman: 94
Charles Woodson: 94
Al Harris: 89
Nick Collins: 92
A.J. Hawk: 85
Nick Barnett: 91
Jordy Nelson: 110

Just some Packer players I feel really confident rating in this system.