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JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:02 PM
Per ESPN on Sportscenter

RaiderNation
03-04-2009, 11:02 PM
Welcome to Oakland

MetSox17
03-04-2009, 11:03 PM
I'm not at home, damnit! Is this legit/true?

locseti
03-04-2009, 11:04 PM
And we will get him for next to nothing after he realizes it's the only place he can go.

cdub11
03-04-2009, 11:04 PM
I'm not at home, damnit! Is this legit/true?

it is true

Rob S
03-04-2009, 11:04 PM
yup, I saw it on ESPN too! Good move by the boys, he is a chemistry killer.

GET LOOSE
03-04-2009, 11:04 PM
WOW I never thought they would do it. Who takes the next risk on him? Raiders probably

JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:04 PM
It's as true as Bush being out of office. If the Skins don't win the East this year imma cry.

MetSox17
03-04-2009, 11:06 PM
it is true

Wow. I really wasn't expecting this. Why did they wait so long, if this was the route they were taking?

Roy Weezy better light it up next year or we're screwed.

Whistler6
03-04-2009, 11:06 PM
Per ESPN on Sportscenter

Boom, roasted.

Flyboy
03-04-2009, 11:07 PM
Hmm. How about that.

Number 10
03-04-2009, 11:07 PM
hahahaha

Thatta boy JJ

Brodeur
03-04-2009, 11:07 PM
Oh great, something for ESPN to cover for 8 months.

MetSox17
03-04-2009, 11:07 PM
Well it's on the website now, as well.

http://espn.go.com/

GET LOOSE
03-04-2009, 11:08 PM
They are a better team without him. Roy Williams should have a good season now and Romo wont have to deal with that cry baby. Cowboys showed they have balls

JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:09 PM
Oh great, something for ESPN to cover for 8 months.

Naw they said just for the next hour. lol

619
03-04-2009, 11:09 PM
Welcome to Oakland

You beat me to it.

Number 10
03-04-2009, 11:10 PM
Thoughts on where he is headed?

Baltimore is my best bet.

MetSox17
03-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Thoughts on where he is headed?

Baltimore is my best bet.

Right, even though he tried is very best to NOT go there once?

tjsunstein
03-04-2009, 11:12 PM
He's going to Baltimore. I've always invisioned him there.
Cowboys bring in Peppers, watch.

JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:12 PM
I could see the Giants picking him up...naw highly doubt it. So many teams need a good WR, but his baggage is just too much.

DJC
03-04-2009, 11:13 PM
Well, the Patriots did just lose Jabar Gaffney...

cdub11
03-04-2009, 11:13 PM
Raiders would be my best guess

Rayray52
03-04-2009, 11:13 PM
I dunno about baltimore especially with Ray back it will be hard for them to patch up their differences having said that....im all for it, strange decision by the cowboys, i wonder if there is more to the story.

MetSox17
03-04-2009, 11:13 PM
edit- double post

MetSox17
03-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Cowboys bring in Peppers, watch.


Is there any reason why you think that will happen, or are you just pulling things out of your ass?

I'm leaning towards the latter.

JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Yeah um Dallas is fed up just like San Fran and Philly were.

BPhilb
03-04-2009, 11:14 PM
KC...He will be what Moss was for NE. It's all starting to make sense now.


(sarcasm)

I can't stand the guy

Rob S
03-04-2009, 11:14 PM
He's going to Baltimore. I've always invisioned him there.
Cowboys bring in Peppers, watch.

could very well see that: and he wants to go (Pepper to the boys). As for TO......Al Davis is the only man calling him up right now if I had to bet.

Brodeur
03-04-2009, 11:15 PM
Thoughts on where he is headed?

Baltimore is my best bet.

He already burned enough bridges there, and Ray Lewis would probably not like it very much.

tjsunstein
03-04-2009, 11:16 PM
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/terrell_owens_crying.jpg

619
03-04-2009, 11:17 PM
Raiders would be my best guess

We went through Moss once, not ready to go through this kinda **** again.

Whistler6
03-04-2009, 11:17 PM
Titans or Vikings

WMD
03-04-2009, 11:17 PM
Wowza.

I bet he lands in Denver.

cdub11
03-04-2009, 11:17 PM
I hope we go after Boldin

tjsunstein
03-04-2009, 11:17 PM
Is there any reason why you think that will happen, or are you just pulling things out of your ass?

I'm leaning towards the latter.

Like I said, watch.

Rob S
03-04-2009, 11:19 PM
Is there any reason why you think that will happen, or are you just pulling things out of your ass?

I'm leaning towards the latter.


He said he wants to go to Dallas and Peppers really wants out of Carolina to the point where chemistry could be an issue. It would take some creativity, but I could see something happening.

Young Nasty Man
03-04-2009, 11:19 PM
wow.....I wonder whos diving into this one...Oakland? Philly?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-04-2009, 11:19 PM
Wowza.

I bet he lands in Denver.

Yep, because that is who we need to get Cutler to be a little more mature.

WMD
03-04-2009, 11:20 PM
I'll throw the Redskins out there too.

JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:20 PM
Boldin would be quite nice for yall cdub. I wouldn't mind him in DC either ;).

jnew76
03-04-2009, 11:20 PM
Jacksonville? Del Rio needs to win now.

WMD
03-04-2009, 11:20 PM
Yep, because that is who we need to get Cutler to be a little more mature.
He can counter Brandon Marshall's off the field problems with his on the field problems!

JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:21 PM
God no Lions WMD.

RaiderNation
03-04-2009, 11:21 PM
After thinking about it, T.O. wont end up in Oakland

1 We dont have the cap room
2 Al has said we are going young( TO is what 35?)
3 We allready went through getting a good WR with a bad attitude

Only way I see TO in Oakland is if he takes a pay cut and we released Walker and Sands

Paranoidmoonduck
03-04-2009, 11:21 PM
I'd love him for a one-year stint in Oakland. That would probably be about as long as he could hold out before becoming intolerable.

Whistler6
03-04-2009, 11:22 PM
Terrel Owens would like to put his name in the Dunk Contest for 2010, he's not longer busy.

yourfavestoner
03-04-2009, 11:22 PM
Jacksonville? Del Rio needs to win now.

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it. That's a very big fish in a very small pond, although going to a tiny market might actually be a good thing for him.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-04-2009, 11:23 PM
He can counter Brandon Marshall's off the field problems with his on the field problems!

That's just so crazy it might work... maybe their problems will offset each other?

Or maybe they'll go to great lengths to one up each other before one of them goes and murders the entire team?

Worth the risk, I say!

tjsunstein
03-04-2009, 11:23 PM
Is it possible for TO to land in Indianapolis? Scary thought but I think the Colts organization is too high class for his antics.

Rob S
03-04-2009, 11:24 PM
After thinking about it, T.O. wont end up in Oakland

1 We dont have the cap room
2 Al has said we are going young( TO is what 35?)
3 We allready went through getting a good WR with a bad attitude

Only way I see TO in Oakland is if he takes a pay cut and we released Walker and Sands

u really think Al remembered what he said? I would be shocked if he remembered what he ate for dinner tonight haha. Al Davis also doesnt learn from his mistakes.....I dont think he can resist a chance to land a guy like TO, thats just me tho. Thats who Al is and I think he is going to go hard for the big name, physical freak(as always).

WMD
03-04-2009, 11:25 PM
Is it possible for TO to land in Indianapolis? Scary thought but I think the Colts organization is too high class for his antics.
I think he has a better chance landing in Green Bay..... :eek:

JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:26 PM
Agreed tj. That would be such a step down for them.

locseti
03-04-2009, 11:26 PM
I'd love him for a one-year stint in Oakland. That would probably be about as long as he could hold out before becoming intolerable.

So would I. TO, Crabtree, Higgins in the slot, Miller, McFadden in the backfield, J-Russ throwin' it up. couldn't just stack the line now, could ya? It would be an exciting team to watch. I mean, we're not going to any super bowls any time soon. Honestly, T.O. is one of the greatest receivers of all time, regardless of era's.

CC.SD
03-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Ooooo DANG there's gonna be some cancer up in here tonight!

thetedginnshow
03-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Never doubt the Schefter!

locseti
03-04-2009, 11:28 PM
u really think Al remembered what he said?

bababhahaahahhahahahahahah!!!!

TimD
03-04-2009, 11:28 PM
Oh great, something for ESPN to cover for 8 months.

and espn jizzes their pants

jnew76
03-04-2009, 11:28 PM
Never doubt the Schefter!

Or his Blackberry... the combination is deadly... He needs his own commercial.

tjsunstein
03-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Baltimore, Tennessee, Washington, or Oakland. Anywhere else, I'd be shocked.

cdub11
03-04-2009, 11:29 PM
someone should give him a one year deal and then be done with him, he has a 1 yr window for good behavior

FuzzyGopher
03-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Redskins seem like a good fit, Snyder loves to hoard big names.

CT Bronco Fan
03-04-2009, 11:29 PM
How can you get back at both Dallas, AND Philly?

Sigh with the Redskins. Book it

TimD
03-04-2009, 11:31 PM
Is it possible for TO to land in Indianapolis? Scary thought but I think the Colts organization is too high class for his antics.

but he could be deadly with Peyton. and then maybe he'd have to shut up. best QB throwing it to him

bantx
03-04-2009, 11:31 PM
god ESPN will be going crazy about this all off season

JRTPlaya21
03-04-2009, 11:32 PM
If he goes to Washington I'm done. But if they win a title with him..I just won't know what to believe anymore.

tjsunstein
03-04-2009, 11:32 PM
I think he has a better chance landing in Green Bay..... :eek:

The Packers and Colts probably have the same amount of interest in TO and that'd be zero. ;)

bearsfan_51
03-04-2009, 11:33 PM
I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and say that nobody signs him. I think his NFL career is over. If Dallas thinks you lack the character to be part of a team, I don't think anyone does.

This is a team that has literally made a joke out of character and team chemistry the last 20 years.

TimD
03-04-2009, 11:34 PM
How can you get back at both Dallas, AND Philly?

Sigh with the Redskins. Book it



or the giants... greatest city in the world for his big ego

locseti
03-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Now 100% of Romo's passes will be to Witten.

tjsunstein
03-04-2009, 11:35 PM
How can you get back at both Dallas, AND Philly?

Sigh with the Redskins. Book it

Wouldn't he rather sign with the Giants if he wanted to get back at both of them? More of a rivalry. After all, atleast TO isn't facing jail time.

Paul
03-04-2009, 11:35 PM
Like I said in the Cowboys thread, I can't say I'm upset. But moving on, I really don't believe we need to "replace" TO with another big name, as Roy Williams was supposed to be the guy who would take his spot eventually. And hopefully with a few games under his belt already, and a whole off season and training camp ahead of him, he and Romo can get something going. This is his chance.

I wouldn't be against bringing another guy in to compliment Roy though. If he was still available, L. Coles would of been my ideal guy for that spot. But if we go into next season with Roy, Crayton, Hurd and Miles, I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world. Cowboys fans have been waiting for Miles and Hurd to make some noise, this could be there shot.

TimD
03-04-2009, 11:36 PM
I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and say that nobody signs him. I think his NFL career is over. If Dallas thinks you lack the character to be part of a team, I don't think anyone does.

This is a team that has literally made a joke out of character and team chemistry the last 20 years.


and has 5 superbowl rings lol

thetedginnshow
03-04-2009, 11:36 PM
Watch him go to the Pats and they never have a problem with him.

TimD
03-04-2009, 11:36 PM
id kill someone... i would

TimD
03-04-2009, 11:37 PM
I can see it now. Julius Peppers Ray Lewis and T.O. sign with the Pats...


******* evil empire

locseti
03-04-2009, 11:38 PM
I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and say that nobody signs him.

Ya right, I'd bet anything. Who would you rather have, Marvelous Marvin or TO? It's not even close.

bearsfan_51
03-04-2009, 11:38 PM
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and has 5 superbowl rings lol
I'm not saying it hasn't worked for them. My point is, however, that the Dallas Cowboys have decided that his character issues are more detrimental than his field production. That speaks volumes about his value around the league. Even a team like the Raiders have emphasized team chemistry more, even if they keep thugs, criminals, and generally wacky characters.

The Dallas Cowboys have decided that T.O.'s ego is too big for them to handle. That's ******* insane.

Paul
03-04-2009, 11:38 PM
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and has 5 superbowl rings lol

I love my cowboys, but we haven't done anything in 12 years.

bearsfan_51
03-04-2009, 11:39 PM
Ya right, I'd bet anything. Who would you rather have, Marvelous Marvin or TO? It's not even close.
I bet there are at least 15-20 GM's in the league that wouldn't take T.O. for free.

Brent
03-04-2009, 11:39 PM
Watch him go to the Pats and they never have a problem with him.
It'd make the most sense. They just tell him straight up: "dont **** around for one season and you'll have a ring." Randy, Wes & TO? Yikes.

thetedginnshow
03-04-2009, 11:40 PM
Oh hell. Steve Young just said the Pats are one of the teams that could handle TO. Oh... oh god...

iBoldin
03-04-2009, 11:41 PM
Well, isn't this just really unfair.

locseti
03-04-2009, 11:42 PM
I bet there are at least 15-20 GM's in the league that wouldn't take T.O. for free.

I'd agree with that, but a team that has strong leadership (which the 'Boys clearly didn't) could handle a player like that.

TimD
03-04-2009, 11:42 PM
no please no... come on god... its the jets. we've done nothing to no one. why are you so mean to us?

jnew76
03-04-2009, 11:43 PM
The Titans make the most sense... But I don't see the organization bringing in an Owens type player.

bantx
03-04-2009, 11:43 PM
Tom Brady wouldnt need to say a word and TO would apologize

Brent
03-04-2009, 11:46 PM
Tom Brady wouldnt need to say a word and TO would apologize
I'm sticking with the Pats as my guess. I wouldn't be in the least bit shocked if that is where he goes. It just makes too much sense.

Buttered toast sonic
03-04-2009, 11:47 PM
everyone eventually tires of TO, its his nature, He's a douche today, He was a douche yesterday, and he'll be a douche tomorrow, He'll be a douche in 2 weeks, it'll be news when he ISN'T a Chemistry killing, egotistical, crybaby pain in the buttocks who by the way, has no ring.

that being said, He'll end up in Oakland, bet on it

kwilk103
03-04-2009, 11:59 PM
dam, stephen a smith (who i dont like) just ripped dallas and the media

and, i actually agreed with him

he was more fired up than usual

M.O.T.H.
03-04-2009, 11:59 PM
1. Cowboys getting Peppers is just ludicrous and it wouldnt happen. Why do you think Dallas inst spending any money this off-season? Because, they dont have any. Dallas is right up against the cap and Demarcus Ware is about to become the highest paid defensive player in the game.

2. As for T.O., I've always loved him. The guy is just a genetic freak, an absolutely outstanding talent who I'll always love to watch play the game. But, I was right on board with this move. I could have went either way with it becuase, that lockeroom was seriously a problem. He became a big problem, like he always does and you could see that there were advantages of getting rid of him. I didnt think it was going to happen but again, I think it's a good move. Roy Williams still scares the hell out of me as a #1 option, though. But, hopefully we can turn the page and finally see a heavy dose of Miles Austin and Sam Hurd. I think you have to applaud Jerry for even making this move because, it didnt seem like he had any interest in doing it. As far as team chemistry goes, I think this is going to help out tenfold once the dust clears and Romo/Garrett no longer have to worry about a constant headache constantly screaming about not getting the ball. He was distracting. Hopefully though, with our trio of backs and crop of still very talented, but young receivers, Jason Garrett, will get as creative as he possibly can. We sure arent light on talent now just because, we lost Owens, we have three starting caliber running backs, a decent coordinator shouldnt even have a problem making things happen in this offense. So all eyes will be on Garrett now.

I wish T.O. the best...I just wish he could just keep his mouth shut. Year one here we didnt see much of a problem, we saw a more mature T.O. but, that didnt last. As Emmitt says..."A leopard cant change his stripes". :)

Staubach12
03-05-2009, 12:00 AM
**** my life.

PalmerToCJ
03-05-2009, 12:01 AM
Say I was a GM actually willing to sign him... I would not offer more than a 1 year deal.

CashmoneyDrew
03-05-2009, 12:03 AM
The Titans won't even think about signing this dude. They've had their fill already with Pacman. Tampa Bay and Minnesota are my dark horses to sign him.

sweetness34
03-05-2009, 12:03 AM
Chicago and Terrell Owens it makes perfect sense. He's now one of the best WR's on the market (although he'll be a pretty penny to sign him) and he can right now be the #1 WR on our team and we are a competitive team which the likes of the Raiders are not right now. He thinks he's still a #1 and he can be it. Plus it's a big market.

yo123
03-05-2009, 12:07 AM
The Titans won't even think about signing this dude. They've had their fill already with Pacman. Tampa Bay and Minnesota are my dark horses to sign him.



Ugh...no thank you. How long do you think it would take for him to get frustrated with Sage or Tarvaris throwing ducks at his feet?

OzTitan
03-05-2009, 12:07 AM
lol, Titans. Besides the teams already burned by TO, there is literally not a more unlikely team in the NFL to look his way.

CashmoneyDrew
03-05-2009, 12:08 AM
Ugh...no thank you. How long do you think it would take for him to get frustrated with Sage or Tarvaris throwing ducks at his feet?

No doubt. But I'm just calling it like I see it.

locseti
03-05-2009, 12:08 AM
Trent Dilfer just said he'd rather have Harrison than TO. He's more "dependable," and he was talking about them as receivers. That's an idiotic thing to say.

FuzzyGopher
03-05-2009, 12:08 AM
Ugh...no thank you. How long do you think it would take for him to get frustrated with Sage or Tarvaris throwing ducks at his feet?

Not to mention he has some bad history with Major Dad.

kwilk103
03-05-2009, 12:09 AM
fwiw, the cowboys have not confirmed the move

bearsfan_51
03-05-2009, 12:09 AM
Chicago and Terrell Owens it makes perfect sense. He's now one of the best WR's on the market (although he'll be a pretty penny to sign him) and he can right now be the #1 WR on our team and we are a competitive team which the likes of the Raiders are not right now. He thinks he's still a #1 and he can be it. Plus it's a big market.

You're out of your ******* mind if you think that's even a remote possibility.

Jerry Angelo is on record as saying that he wouldn't buy T.O. lunch.

thetedginnshow
03-05-2009, 12:09 AM
Chicago and Terrell Owens it makes perfect sense. He's now one of the best WR's on the market (although he'll be a pretty penny to sign him) and he can right now be the #1 WR on our team and we are a competitive team which the likes of the Raiders are not right now. He thinks he's still a #1 and he can be it. Plus it's a big market.

They're also a run-first team and Kyle Orton is not his quarterback. He wants him some Shaun "Who?" Hill, Sheli Manning, or Tom Brady.

Burns336
03-05-2009, 12:11 AM
Great, now we can go 7-9 next year.

Smart move -- cutting our best offensive player...

Who needs 26 td's over the past 2 years anyways?

I'm sure Roy Williams with his 1 career 1000 yard season, his never breaking into the double digit TD barrier, and his injury prone body will fill in nicely. It will be like we didn't miss a beat.

**** me hard. Im getting stoned.

gpngc
03-05-2009, 12:13 AM
Giants are the best fit for both sides.

They did just sign two guys with a history of domestic violence. And I think their last big receiver shot himself or something.

sweetness34
03-05-2009, 12:14 AM
You're out of your ******* mind if you think that's even a remote possibility.

Jerry Angelo is on record as saying that he wouldn't buy T.O. lunch.

Things change. If he stays out there I'd offer him (nothing out of this world though). What have we got to lose? He's an automatic upgrade and he still has some potential, plus he'll be pissed off and determined that he got cut. I'd sign him up, draft a top tier WR, groom him while T.O. stays and then part ways with him, by then Hester should be pretty damn good and hopefully we have another couple guys ready to step in.

I said early last year that Orton was a consistent deep ball threat away from being a good QB in this league and I still believe that but he also needs weapons and T.O. is a proven weapon. He's not what he once was but he's an upgrade and he'd be THE guy here in the WR corps. We have to upgrade somehow before the start of hte season, and if we're waiting to get Heyward-Bey or Crabtree in the draft and depend on them I'll be ******* pissed. Get help for now and add some young guys.

sweetness34
03-05-2009, 12:15 AM
I know it likely won't happen if anyone's wondering.

MetSox17
03-05-2009, 12:17 AM
Like I said, watch.

People who add nothing to conversations.

Nice to have an intellectual conversation with you too.

:rolleyes:

He said he wants to go to Dallas and Peppers really wants out of Carolina to the point where chemistry could be an issue. It would take some creativity, but I could see something happening.

He can want all he pleases, Dallas doesn't have (nor will it be willing to part with) the types of pieces it'll take to get someone of Peppers' caliber. Besides, our pass rush isn't an issue. Ware has one side locked down, and Ellis/Spencer produce very well opposite him. This makes no sense whatsoever.

Tobzilla
03-05-2009, 12:19 AM
Great, now we can go 7-9 next year.

Smart move -- cutting our best offensive player...

Who needs 26 td's over the past 2 years anyways?

I'm sure Roy Williams with his 1 career 1000 yard season, his never breaking into the double digit TD barrier, and his injury prone body will fill in nicely. It will be like we didn't miss a beat.

**** me hard. Im getting stoned.

As long as romo stays healthy the boys will be just fine. TO is a team killer - addition by subtraction in this case.

locseti
03-05-2009, 12:20 AM
Great, now we can go 7-9 next year.

Smart move -- cutting our best offensive player...

Who needs 26 td's over the past 2 years anyways?

I'm sure Roy Williams with his 1 career 1000 yard season, his never breaking into the double digit TD barrier, and his injury prone body will fill in nicely. It will be like we didn't miss a beat.

**** me hard. Im getting stoned.

This is what I'd be thinking if I was a Cowboy fan, now all you have to do is lock up Witten and stack the line against Barber.

Mr. Hero
03-05-2009, 12:25 AM
Giants are the best fit for both sides.

They did just sign two guys with a history of domestic violence. And I think their last big receiver shot himself or something.

Plax shot himself because he's a nucklehead, TO's an attention *****, much worse and after how much this team improved after tiki left I don't think coughlin will welcome another player who divides the locker-room.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 12:30 AM
This is what I'd be thinking if I was a Cowboy fan, now all you have to do is lock up Witten and stack the line against Barber.

umm no.

Dallas still has a multitude of weapons. Dallas arguably has the best combination of talent at both RB and TE. Roy Williams may very well not be a #1 option but, he'll be okay. Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, and Patrick Crayton while not stars, they have all turned themselves into sure handed football players. Miles is a burner and Hurd is a fantastic route runner with the best hands on the team. While it sucks losing a player of T.O.'s talent, it is going to be fun to see what our young guys can bring to the table.

How can you say it will be so easy to stop Dallas when they have more talent than say, the Titans at just about every skill position on offense? If Dallas commits to running the football more frequently and use all their weapons correctly and to their advantage, they can be an extremely tough team to beat. We may be a little thin at WR but, we have outstanding talent and depth at the other skill positions.

kwilk103
03-05-2009, 12:34 AM
i dont see it with austin

he has 18 catches

thats a lot of hope we're putting on a udfa

Caddy
03-05-2009, 12:37 AM
Not completely surprised by this move. He will definitely get a solid amount of interest in the free agent market even though he is getting up there in years.

locseti
03-05-2009, 12:48 AM
umm no.

Dallas still has a multitude of weapons. Dallas arguably has the best combination of talent at both RB and TE. Roy Williams may very well not be a #1 option but, he'll be okay. Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, and Patrick Crayton while not stars, they have all turned themselves into sure handed football players. Miles is a burner and Hurd is a fantastic route runner with the best hands on the team. While it sucks losing a player of T.O.'s talent, it is going to be fun to see what our young guys can bring to the table.

How can you say it will be so easy to stop Dallas when they have more talent than say, the Titans at just about every skill position on offense? If Dallas commits to running the football more frequently and use all their weapons correctly and to their advantage, they can be an extremely tough team to beat. We may be a little thin at WR but, we have outstanding talent and depth at the other skill positions.

It's pretty apparent that the only receiver who has Romo's confidence is Witten.

sweetness34
03-05-2009, 12:48 AM
ESPN is praying for one of these teams;

New England (ZOMG could you imagine a Moss, Brady, Owens triangle?)
Indianapolis
Brett Favre's future team (he's comin' back guys, you know it and I do to ;))
NY Giants
Steelers
Cardinals (yes, I'm sure ESPN has this up as a possible story line)
Back to Dallas (Chris Henry Style)
Back to Philadelphia (Make-up sex)
Back to SF w/ Garcia (*** sex?)

someone447
03-05-2009, 12:54 AM
Yep, because that is who we need to get Cutler to be a little more mature.

Well, it would make him SEEM more mature.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 01:01 AM
It's pretty apparent that the only receiver who has Romo's confidence is Witten.

meh...Patrick Crayton has 89 receptions in the last two years, if he's open Romo will hit him...and Austin and Hurd havent seen a lot of time in the base offense but, they have earned the trust of Romo and he looks their way. Romo and Williams will obviously need to work on some things but, Garrett had Roy running the same routes constantly a year ago and given the circumstances, it's completely understandable they werent on the same page. Jason Witten was often a last resort, Romo tries to get the ball to T.O. and when he's blanketed, as usual, he'd force it to Witten. Romo and Garrett were under a lot of stress to get the ball to T.O., now the release of T.O. wont solve everything. Miles' route running needs to be refined and again, Romo needs to work more with Roy but, Dallas still has some fine talent at the position. They should be fine. This may actually end up helping us out a lot.

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 01:04 AM
Well **** me sideways! WTF just happened?!!!

I was a fan of TO. I liked what he brought to the field. I liked the attention he drew to open things up for others. I liked his great showmanship. Most of all, I liked his TDs. This is crazy.

I can't say that I wanted this... but I can't say I didn't want this either... We all know the selfish attitude, but that didn't bother me. Guess it doesn't matter now. Even though he was selfish, he was honest... brutally honest at times. He rubbed people the wrong way, but damn he had heart.

This is just another step in Jerry's progress as a GM. He has continually made changes as an owner/gm for the betterment of the team. I am at least appreciative of that. That's one thing about him... he doesn't usually make the same avoidable mistakes over and over again. I will be surprised if Jerry ever goes talent over character ever again. This move is significant in many facets.

For the record, I traded TO in the forum mock. So I guess I'm an advocate for this move. I just wished we got something done in a trade instead of just cutting him.

gpngc
03-05-2009, 01:12 AM
Here's a potentially encouraging thought for Dallas fans:

The Tiki Theory.

BTW watching ESPN now and it's worth noting that T.O. is reportedly "devastated" and feels "betrayed". I think the Giants and Skins are front-runners at the moment.

Scotty D
03-05-2009, 01:13 AM
Oh god so if the Giants or Skins sign him that means 2 games against Dallas and 2 more against Philly! ESPN would go bonkers.

Owens and Santana Moss would be excellent compliments of each other. Throw in Cooley, Portis, Haynesworth, and the 13th overall pick? Hell trade that for Peppers!

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 01:16 AM
For any Dallas fan saying Austin, Hurd and Crayton will pick up the slack... that's just completely homeristic. I'll be surprised if Hurd makes it on the 53 man roster. Austin is the next coming of Dominic Hixon.... Adored until his number was called, then fell hard to the ground. Crayton is just a decent slot receiver...

The guy that has to step up to the plate is Roy Williams. NOW... this trade will have the chance to show reward. RW wasn't going to emerge as long as TO was in the picture. Simply not enough to go around. The trade was made with the intention all along that RW would be the successor as Dallas' #1 WR. Now that time is here. Now we will see if he is up to the task. We will see if he's worthy of that new 5yr/$45M contract Jerry gave him. (For reference Housh got 5yr/$40M and I don't consider him a #1 WR). So times are exciting. . . . and nervous at the same time. There is an unknown factor going into next season. How will the team react to this? Was it really chemistry issues that brought this team down? Or was it coaching/play calling/execution?

We will see.... and that has me excited.

21ST
03-05-2009, 01:16 AM
We were never into the TO thing

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 01:17 AM
Here's a potentially encouraging thought for Dallas fans:

The Tiki Theory.

BTW watching ESPN now and it's worth noting that T.O. is reportedly "devastated" and feels "betrayed". I think the Giants and Skins are front-runners at the moment.

I can see it now... the once TO haters changing their tune to become TO lovers.

...Giants fans moreso than Redskins fans..

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2009, 01:18 AM
Rejoice!! :D

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 01:19 AM
For any Dallas fan saying Austin, Hurd and Crayton will pick up the slack... that's just completely homeristic. I'll be surprised if Hurd makes it on the 53 man roster. Austin is the next coming of Dominic Hixon.... Adored until his number was called, then fell hard to the ground. Crayton is just a decent slot receiver...

The guy that has to step up to the plate is Roy Williams. NOW... this trade will have the chance to show reward. RW wasn't going to emerge as long as TO was in the picture. Simply not enough to go around. The trade was made with the intention all along that RW would be the successor as Dallas' #1 WR. Now that time is here. Now we will see if he is up to the task. We will see if he's worthy of that new 5yr/$45M contract Jerry gave him. (For reference Housh got 5yr/$40M and I don't consider him a #1 WR). So times are exciting. . . . and nervous at the same time. There is an unknown factor going into next season. How will the team react to this? Was it really chemistry issues that brought this team down? Or was it coaching/play calling/execution?

We will see.... and that has me excited.

Nobody is saying they'll completey pick up the slack...this obviously means we are going to commit more to running the football which could end up making us a much better team. No T.O. means more creativity with the likes of our three Rbs and both talented tight ends. Like I said, the eyes will really be on Garrett now.

and without T.O. here...Hurd will make this team no problem. He also has added value as a Special teams player. He's one of the best two, three ST players on the team. If he didnt get hurt, he was in a position where he could have been starting last year. He was often lining up on the outside with Crayton back in the slot. Dallas loves what Hurd brings to the table.

vidae
03-05-2009, 01:20 AM
I don't like the guy but if he signed with KC for a year or two I wouldn't be too upset.

Ward
03-05-2009, 01:21 AM
Great, now we can go 7-9 next year.

Smart move -- cutting our best offensive player...

Who needs 26 td's over the past 2 years anyways?

I'm sure Roy Williams with his 1 career 1000 yard season, his never breaking into the double digit TD barrier, and his injury prone body will fill in nicely. It will be like we didn't miss a beat.

**** me hard. Im getting stoned.

I agree with everything in this post. (new) Roy Williams, No Decembers Romo, and Ginger Garrett better have a great season or the team looks ridiculous. Especially if T.O. signs elsewhere (I like Baltimore or Jacksonville personally, Denver if Shanahan was still there) and balls out of control. The whole reason we have brought in guys like T.O. and Roy Williams is that the team has an AWFUL track record developing wideout talent since Jerry has bought the team. Michael Irvin. That's it. And that was a really long time ago. Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin don't scare anyone. AND if I'm hearing the numbers right, this is a tough pill to swallow as far as the cap goes. Oh well.

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2009, 01:24 AM
i dont see it with austin

he has 18 catches

thats a lot of hope we're putting on a udfa

Yea it's always better to judge a guys potential by catches and where he was drafted, not actually watching him play or anything:rollseyes:


Come on now, you've got to do better then that...Austin is going to surprise some people and more then anything I'm excited about the expanded role he's going to get because he's going to show people the type of WR he's developed into...I don't think he's the next coming of Jesus, but he'll be a very good #2 WR and I fully expect him to take advantage of the opportunity because I actually watched him play this year instead of just totaling his catches.


This is one of the reasons I'm happy to see TO go, along with chemistry, I think Miles is ready to step up to be the #2 guy and I can see him having a break out season.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 01:24 AM
I agree with everything in this post. (new) Roy Williams, No Decembers Romo, and Ginger Garrett better have a great season or the team looks ridiculous. Especially if T.O. signs elsewhere (I like Baltimore or Jacksonville personally, Denver if Shanahan was still there) and balls out of control. The whole reason we have brought in guys like T.O. and Roy Williams is that the team has an AWFUL track record developing wideout talent since Jerry has bought the team. Michael Irvin. That's it. And that was a really long time ago. Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin don't scare anyone. AND if I'm hearing the numbers right, this is a tough pill to swallow as far as the cap goes. Oh well.

Nah, it's only a $680,000 cap hit.

Ward
03-05-2009, 01:26 AM
Nah, it's only a $680,000 cap hit.

A blog I read says we're taking a $9 mil + cap hit. I'll post when I get a better source.

gpngc
03-05-2009, 01:27 AM
Yea it's always better to judge a guys potential by catches and where he was drafted, not actually watching him play or anything:rollseyes:


Come on now, you've got to do better then that...Austin is going to surprise some people and more then anything I'm excited about the expanded role he's going to get because he's going to show people the type of WR he's developed into...I don't think he's the next coming of Jesus, but he'll be a very good #2 WR and I fully expect him to take advantage of the opportunity because I actually watched him play this year instead of just totaling his catches.


This is one of the reasons I'm happy to see TO go, along with chemistry, I think Miles is ready to step up to be the #2 guy and I can see him having a break out season.

Why the hell not?

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2009, 01:28 AM
I agree with everything in this post. (new) Roy Williams, No Decembers Romo, and Ginger Garrett better have a great season or the team looks ridiculous. Especially if T.O. signs elsewhere (I like Baltimore or Jacksonville personally, Denver if Shanahan was still there) and balls out of control. The whole reason we have brought in guys like T.O. and Roy Williams is that the team has an AWFUL track record developing wideout talent since Jerry has bought the team. Michael Irvin. That's it. And that was a really long time ago. Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin don't scare anyone. AND if I'm hearing the numbers right, this is a tough pill to swallow as far as the cap goes. Oh well.


I can't believe you guys are so bent out of shape with the weapons on offense, remember Martellus Bennett? I'm pretty sure this means more looks for him and he's just like a WR, we have 3 RB's that should get carries, and our WR's are enough for what we have...Last time I checked the Patriots won many super bowls with scrubs at WR, if our defense takes the next step with another year under Wade all this offense talk won't matter.


We have enough talent to still score 24 points a game, but if we can get our defense playing the way it was in spurts last year I highly doubt this loss is that heart breaking...We all get on Jerry for not putting value on chemistry and were only talking about how were losing a weapon on offense, now how we get to see Garrett and Romo grow a year in the offense without the problems TO was bringing, now we get a good look at what Garrett can do before he's promoted or moves on.

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 01:32 AM
A blog I read says we're taking a $9 mil + cap hit. I'll post when I get a better source.
According to Rotoworld.com, the cap charge is: $8.995 million

Terrell Owens Wide Receiver 6/2/2008: Signed a four-year, $34 million contract. The deal contains $13 million guaranteed, including a $12.9 million signing bonus and $100,000 of his first-year base salary. 2009: $2.67 million (+ $3.1 million roster bonus due in June), 2010: $7.5 million, 2011: $7 million, 2012: Free Agent. Cap charges: $8.995 million (2009), $10.725 million (2010), $10.225 million (2011).

Scotty D
03-05-2009, 01:32 AM
Dallas's WR corps are probably still in the top half of the league. I don't think its much to get into a fuss. However I sense a great deal of worry about Roy Williams. I felt he was a different WR this year when he was still with Detroit and it didn't change when he went to Dallas. I think its fair to say he's lost a step and now has trouble creating seperation. I don't see that explosiveness that was here his first two years in the league. He used to have that big play ability but I haven't seen it for a while now.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 01:33 AM
No...that is just his base salary. It's dead money, you still have to pay it but, you would pay it if he was here as well. The actual cap hit is under $700,000. Not much effect on the actual cap at all. But you still have to pay for a player that is no longer on your roster.

TimD
03-05-2009, 01:36 AM
maybe the NBA is an option?

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/nba-history/TO_300_080215.jpg

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 01:36 AM
No...that is just his base salary. It's dead money, you still have to pay it but, you would pay it if he was here as well. The actual cap hit is under $700,000. Not much effect on the actual cap at all. But you still have to pay for a player that is no longer on your roster.
So do we have more money to spend in FA this year? Next year? The year after that? Never??? What's the future look like as far as how his contract affected things?

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 01:36 AM
Dallas's WR corps are probably still in the top half of the league. I don't think its much to get into a fuss. However I sense a great deal of worry about Roy Williams. I felt he was a different WR this year when he was still with Detroit and it didn't change when he went to Dallas. I think its fair to say he's lost a step and now has trouble creating seperation. I don't see that explosiveness that was here his first two years in the league. He used to have that big play ability but I haven't seen it for a while now.

I completely agree in regard to Roy...hopefully, he'll find a way to get back on track because, he has the look of a regressing player who hasnt been relevant in a while. I mean, he should still be effective for us but, I think T.O. is a better player so, I wouldnt expect Roy to fill in his shoes completely.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 01:37 AM
So do we have more money to spend in FA this year? Next year? The year after that? Never??? What's the future look like as far as how his contract affected things?

It doesnt really have an effect. We lose the $700,000 off of this year's cap and then he's off the books. Whatever available cash we had yesterday, we basically have today.

HawkeyeFan
03-05-2009, 01:39 AM
maybe the NBA is an option?

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/nba-history/TO_300_080215.jpg
Not going to lie, he looks like a martian in that picture.

GET LOOSE
03-05-2009, 01:40 AM
Im shocked most of you cowboys fans are upset at this move. I really belive this makes your team better. He was only a distraction and now they can try and get the ball to Roy as well as Witten without seeing tears from T.O. I think Roy Williams can be a good WR and you guys will probably run the ball more. Barber and Jones will own teams on the ground.

TimD
03-05-2009, 01:40 AM
yeh i picked that one over the purple one cause idk... that pic is more T.O. being T.O.

niel89
03-05-2009, 01:42 AM
from an outsiders view, i think this makes the cowboys a lot better. that team is stacked talent wise and with out TO that offense will have better chemistry i think. they still have a #1 wr but it is a major talent hit over all, but with two quality tight ends and a good stable of backs they should be fine.

as a ravens fan, im honestly pretty split on this. i love his talent and he would give the ravens a true #1. i think ray would be for it because it would help to give them a final push before he retires. but i dont want him to ruin the chemistry in the locker room. im really worried he could mess up flacco's development. i would take him if it was a contract that we could easily cut him if he acts out too much.

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 01:45 AM
Dallas's WR corps are probably still in the top half of the league. I don't think its much to get into a fuss. However I sense a great deal of worry about Roy Williams. I felt he was a different WR this year when he was still with Detroit and it didn't change when he went to Dallas. I think its fair to say he's lost a step and now has trouble creating seperation. I don't see that explosiveness that was here his first two years in the league. He used to have that big play ability but I haven't seen it for a while now.
There is some worry because he was in TO's shadow. Next year we will definitely find out though. The uncertainty leads to worry... but there is also hope which is the flipside.

The thing I noticed when Roy first got here was that he ran clean routes... was frequently open, but not getting the ball thrown to him. He remained quite until the end when he just was not getting looked at... following that, his route running and effort turned ugly. That seems to be in line with how things went for him in Detroit too. Once CJ came to town and was annointed the savior, Roy's attitude turned sour. I have a hunch that Roy is smiling big right now. I think this move has got him excited once again. As far as his skills diminshing and not having ability to gain separation... nah, I don't believe that.

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2009, 01:55 AM
from an outsiders view, i think this makes the cowboys a lot better. that team is stacked talent wise and with out TO that offense will have better chemistry i think. they still have a #1 wr but it is a major talent hit over all, but with two quality tight ends and a good stable of backs they should be fine.

as a ravens fan, im honestly pretty split on this. i love his talent and he would give the ravens a true #1. i think ray would be for it because it would help to give them a final push before he retires. but i dont want him to ruin the chemistry in the locker room. im really worried he could mess up flacco's development. i would take him if it was a contract that we could easily cut him if he acts out too much.


Remember, TO is a former Raven, so it shouldn't be too hard of a transition ;) I always wonder how that would of played out, Ray Ray there to keep his ass in line.

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 02:08 AM
Tomorrow's headline news: Dallas cuts Pro Bowl Safety Roy Williams. :D

Chief49er
03-05-2009, 02:23 AM
Where does he end up?

The Giants?
Imagine he goes to the Patriots?
The Chargers?

yourfavestoner
03-05-2009, 02:28 AM
A blog I read says we're taking a $9 mil + cap hit. I'll post when I get a better source.

You're alive?

Paranoidmoonduck
03-05-2009, 02:31 AM
It doesnt really have an effect. We lose the $700,000 off of this year's cap and then he's off the books. Whatever available cash we had yesterday, we basically have today.

Well, you guys have to pay out the rest of his guaranteed money in one less year than you have otherwise.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 02:33 AM
Well, you guys have to pay out the rest of his guaranteed money in one less year than you have otherwise.

Well yeah but, it doesnt have an effect on the cap.

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 02:51 AM
Well, you guys have to pay out the rest of his guaranteed money in one less year than you have otherwise.
I thought the guaranteed (bonus) money gets split up evenly over the life of the original contract...as it normally does ...and just the base salary disappears.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-05-2009, 02:57 AM
I thought the guaranteed (bonus) money gets split up evenly over the life of the original contract...as it normally does ...and just the base salary disappears.

But if you cut someone, you have to pay out their remaining money between the current cap year and the next. Not a huge difference, since Owens was up in 2011, so it's just paying out that cash in total one year earlier, but it appears to be a difference of 1.5 million for this year and the next.

Burns336
03-05-2009, 03:27 AM
Just remember you heard 7-9 here first.

Austin becomes irrelevant without T.O. giving him single coverage against the opposing team's 3rd corner or safety. Witten no longer had the wide open middle. Roy Williams fails to pick up the slack. The running game suffers without the wide open passing attack.

This is just a ******** move because Jerry is giving into the media. He wouldn't have made this move if people hadn't been crying about chemistry and starting rumors since the season ended.

People want to minimize the affect this has on our team, but fail to realize that we are losing one of the best receivers to ever play the game and still one of the best play makers in the game.

He's also one of the only guys on a team who gave a ****. Who cares if he was a dick, at least he produced. He backed it up, unlike the majority of our diva-filled team. He could change the game in one play and put a spark in the offense like no one else was capable of.

Hey liked being a Cowboy. He kept his loud mouth in check for the most part. I'm pissed with the decision. I think it's going to hurt our football team.

Even strong teams with good coaches (49ers and Eagles) failed to maintain success after T.O. left. What do you think is going to happen with this train wreck team?

Half the guys are already pissed that we let him go. All the young dudes like him, the big names on defense (Ware, Newman, Hamlin) wanted him back, and I know the younger receivers and Martellus Bennett were on his nuts.

I just think all these Cowboy fans are fooling themselves if they think we're contenders this year.

We just lost the guy who gave us 38 TDs over the past 3 years. You don't just replace that... This isn't the Jerry I rep in my sig.

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 03:51 AM
Just remember you heard 7-9 here first.

Austin becomes irrelevant without T.O. giving him single coverage against the opposing team's 3rd corner or safety. Witten no longer had the wide open middle. Roy Williams fails to pick up the slack. The running game suffers without the wide open passing attack.

This is just a ******** move because Jerry is giving into the media. He wouldn't have made this move if people hadn't been crying about chemistry and starting rumors since the season ended.

People want to minimize the affect this has on our team, but fail to realize that we are losing one of the best receivers to ever play the game and still one of the best play makers in the game.

He's also one of the only guys on a team who gave a ****. Who cares if he was a dick, at least he produced. He backed it up, unlike the majority of our diva-filled team. He could change the game in one play and put a spark in the offense like no one else was capable of.

Hey liked being a Cowboy. He kept his loud mouth in check for the most part. I'm pissed with the decision. I think it's going to hurt our football team.

Even strong teams with good coaches (49ers and Eagles) failed to maintain success after T.O. left. What do you think is going to happen with this train wreck team?

Half the guys are already pissed that we let him go. All the young dudes like him, the big names on defense (Ware, Newman, Hamlin) wanted him back, and I know the younger receivers and Martellus Bennett were on his nuts.

I just think all these Cowboy fans are fooling themselves if they think we're contenders this year.

We just lost the guy who gave us 38 TDs over the past 3 years. You don't just replace that... This isn't the Jerry I rep in my sig.
They might've been 7-9 with TO too. But whatevers... I do feel your pain and understand where you're coming from. I've said some of the same points. But there is two sides of this and you're only looking at it from one side.

Burns336
03-05-2009, 04:10 AM
You know what makes me even more mad though? I've somewhat soured on Romo and Witten to be honest. Two players who I love and own their jerseys. I feel like Romo and Witten stabbed T.O. in the back. I feel like Garrett stabbed him in the back.

T.O. basically made Romo, lets not forget that. Tony pretty much goes as T.O. goes, their ain't a whole lot going on when Owens isn't involved. Remember T.O. made Garcia too and there wasn't a whole lot there when Owens left. Romo hasn't looked good in the few games that T.O. has missed, in fact, he has really struggled.

T.O. came out and pretty much sacrificed himself by crying like a ***** in front of the media to take the heat off Romo for the cabo thing. He loved the Dallas crowd too.

He had adopted the phrase "I put on for my city" as his post touchdown line. I remember him singing the song to the crowd after he scored this year. He made it the song on his website. He said he wanted to retire a Cowboy.

and then they just stab him in the back. It's pretty ****** up really. I feel bad for him, I hope he does good. I know he's going to end up lighting us up in the new stadium -- haha.

I really do fear for us next year though. I'm afraid this is going to really effect our offense and it's ability to make big plays. Our Defense isn't good enough to contend on a team like that. We need an explosive offense and we just lost a key cog.

ljk2171
03-05-2009, 06:21 AM
Some people seem to think Minnesota is an option, but keep in mind that Brad Childress was the offensive coordinator in Philly during TO's time.

First of all, I don't think there is a good fit for TO, he has an absolute track record of tearing teams apart. The guy has a ton of talent and has doen nothing but play with All-Pro quarterbacks. So needless to say, I can't see a team like Chicago, Washington, or Tampa signing him simply because he will go nuts by midseason with balls sailing over his head and getting three-hopped to him. Also keep in mind that he comes up small in the playoffs (record wise), his career record without Jerry Rice is 1-5, the year that Philly went to the Superbowl, TO was injured and did not play. He had a big Super Bowl statistically, but that was because Philly disguised him well. They used him the slot and ran him on a lot of underneath routes where he was lined up against safeties, a hobbled TO against any safety is a mismatch.

My favorite for TO are:
-New Orleans....They already have a great offense with a very good quarterback and have to be feeling the pressure of making the playoffs.
-Cincinnati....They have a good quarterback, just lost Housh and there isn't a whole lot to tear down considerig they've stunk pretty in recent memory. I would not envy Carson Palmer wiith TO in one ear and Chad in the other.

TimD
03-05-2009, 06:38 AM
Cincy just got Coles. New Orleans just resigned Henderson, plus they had the leagues best passing attack last year.

My guess is as good as everyone elses, but I think there are 3 clear-cut favorites: Washington Oakland and New England.

eaglesalltheway
03-05-2009, 06:42 AM
It's as true as Bush being out of office. If the Skins don't win the East this year imma cry.

I'd get those tears ready if I were you, haha.

eaglesalltheway
03-05-2009, 06:49 AM
Sorry, don't feel like reading 7 pages, but I saw this before i fell asleep and was really surprised. I'm just waiting for some jackass media memeber to suggest he comes back to Philly...

This is one of those things that will hurt the team in one respect, but help it in another. It takes one more outspoken name out of the locker room, but you lose your best WR. He isn't what he used to be, but he's still a damn good WR, adn was a major reason teh offense was productive while he was there. It'll be interesting to see what the Cowboys do now...

thetedginnshow
03-05-2009, 06:57 AM
http://www.thejetsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/to-cheezburger.png

Prowler
03-05-2009, 07:09 AM
shut his reality show down and then team him with Randy Moss

CJSchneider
03-05-2009, 07:10 AM
It'd make the most sense. They just tell him straight up: "dont **** around for one season and you'll have a ring." Randy, Wes & TO? Yikes.

They'd be easy to cover. Assuming you have Optimus Prime, Gandalf, Harry Potter and Iron-Man as your defensive backfield.

brat316
03-05-2009, 07:12 AM
Who is going to take him? Also is him getting cut going to be in his reality show? I know many of us were hoping it would be.

PACKmanN
03-05-2009, 08:25 AM
well Tennessee, here is your opportunity.

BigDawg819
03-05-2009, 08:32 AM
He's going to Baltimore. I've always invisioned him there.
Cowboys bring in Peppers, watch.


No he won't, and no they can't afford Julius.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 08:33 AM
I feel bad for the guy. His childhood really screwed the guy up. I hope he lands somewhere as hard as it is for me to say it.

bigmac076
03-05-2009, 08:38 AM
wow.....I wonder whos diving into this one...Oakland? Philly?

That would be a great way to force McNabb to the Vikings.

Mr.Regular
03-05-2009, 08:43 AM
If Dallas can't handle him the only team I see that would take a shot with him would be Oakland.

I guess I could see the Giants, Redskins, Ravens, Vikings and Jets being possibilities but logic tells me the Raiders or no one.

Who knows though?! It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Bucs_Rule
03-05-2009, 08:45 AM
I feel bad for the guy. His childhood really screwed the guy up. I hope he lands somewhere as hard as it is for me to say it.

He should land in the Black Hole and have no effect on your giants.

I think it is a good move by them. The next 2 years are key for Russell, if he doesn't become a productive starter by than it is very unlikely he ever will. TO can definitly help him out with that.

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2009, 08:48 AM
Just remember you heard 7-9 here first.

Austin becomes irrelevant without T.O. giving him single coverage against the opposing team's 3rd corner or safety. Witten no longer had the wide open middle. Roy Williams fails to pick up the slack. The running game suffers without the wide open passing attack.

This is just a ******** move because Jerry is giving into the media. He wouldn't have made this move if people hadn't been crying about chemistry and starting rumors since the season ended.

People want to minimize the affect this has on our team, but fail to realize that we are losing one of the best receivers to ever play the game and still one of the best play makers in the game.

He's also one of the only guys on a team who gave a ****. Who cares if he was a dick, at least he produced. He backed it up, unlike the majority of our diva-filled team. He could change the game in one play and put a spark in the offense like no one else was capable of.

Hey liked being a Cowboy. He kept his loud mouth in check for the most part. I'm pissed with the decision. I think it's going to hurt our football team.

Even strong teams with good coaches (49ers and Eagles) failed to maintain success after T.O. left. What do you think is going to happen with this train wreck team?

Half the guys are already pissed that we let him go. All the young dudes like him, the big names on defense (Ware, Newman, Hamlin) wanted him back, and I know the younger receivers and Martellus Bennett were on his nuts.

I just think all these Cowboy fans are fooling themselves if they think we're contenders this year.

We just lost the guy who gave us 38 TDs over the past 3 years. You don't just replace that... This isn't the Jerry I rep in my sig.


With all that said, how many playoff games has TO helped us win?

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 08:49 AM
He should land in the Black Hole and have no effect on your giants.

I think it is a good move by them. The next 2 years are key for Russell, if he doesn't become a productive starter by than it is very unlikely he ever will. TO can definitly help him out with that.

Well I am just saying that I feel bad for the guy. He had one screwed up childhood, and the effect of that never went away.

Number 10
03-05-2009, 08:55 AM
This talk about the Cowboys doing this so they have the cap room to go after a Peppers or Boldin....

What the hell does Dalas have to trade that one of those teams might be interested in?

Flyboy
03-05-2009, 08:56 AM
I hope New Orleans stays away... far, far away.

Flyboy
03-05-2009, 08:56 AM
This talk about the Cowboys doing this so they have the cap room to go after a Peppers or Boldin....

What the hell does Dalas have to trade that one of those teams might be interested in?

BLT sandwiches?

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2009, 09:01 AM
This talk about the Cowboys doing this so they have the cap room to go after a Peppers or Boldin....

What the hell does Dalas have to trade that one of those teams might be interested in?

Actually I'm pretty sure cutting TO cost more, not less, and nothing...We don't have anything to trade for those two players, it's not happening except in rumorville.

cdub11
03-05-2009, 09:02 AM
at least we finally cut S Roy Williams

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 09:04 AM
This talk about the Cowboys doing this so they have the cap room to go after a Peppers or Boldin....

What the hell does Dalas have to trade that one of those teams might be interested in?

This had to do with TO and his decline in productivity and the cost of paying him with the sideshow. He is getting older, and is not the elite WR he thinks he is. This was a good move for them but now they need WR depth.

brat316
03-05-2009, 09:06 AM
Actually I'm pretty sure cutting TO cost more, not less, and nothing...We don't have anything to trade for those two players, it's not happening except in rumorville.

On ESPN article it said it cost 9 million.

bigmac076
03-05-2009, 09:07 AM
With all that said, how many playoff games has TO helped us win?

Exactly, the move is not as big as some are making it out to be. Sure its a bad move but guess what, this puts the offense into Romo's hands. Romo had TO breathing down his neck all game long and that could be (notice I said COULD BE)what led to quite a few of his interceptions. Its all up to Tony now and he and Roy are going to have to work their asses off in the next coming months. This move really puts alot of pressure on Garrett, Romo, and Roy Williams. We'll see what becomes of it.

703SKINS202
03-05-2009, 09:08 AM
Please Snyder, no!

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2009, 09:10 AM
at least we finally cut S Roy Williams

Yep, if we got Greg Ellis outta here I don't care what anybody says I'd be a happy man. :)


Burns, I think I'm gonna have to quote you on Miles being irrelevant when TO leaves, that's just asinine.

Bucs_Rule
03-05-2009, 09:17 AM
Well I am just saying that I feel bad for the guy. He had one screwed up childhood, and the effect of that never went away.

How was his childhood messed up?

NIMV
03-05-2009, 09:29 AM
I expect a 3 teams racing:

Redskins. Its payback time!!! Owens trashtalked Eagles when he became a Cowboy so its logical wants revenge against team who take off his money. Also Snyder is known for taking former Cowboys.

Titans. A contender for Superbowl bandwagon and possible emotional choice considering is close of his hometown (Alexander City,Alabama) and college (Chattanooga,Tennessee).

Chiefs. Todd Haley, former Cowboys passing game coordinator, would love to have TO on opposite side of Bowe and Gonzalez. Those men will be threat for any team for this season.

Teams such as Raiders,Lions,Niners,Rams,Bengals,Browns are discarded just because his ego won't allow him to play for a losing team specially with Raiders Lions and Niners (in my opinion I don't care about him). Chiefs would be an exception considering they have build faster their team this offseason also they could help him to achieve the only thing he doesn't have...SUPERBOWL RING.

Other teams like Vikings,Dolphins,Falcons,Bears,Jets or Jaguars could pursue him to come but they will have to deal with his PRIMADONNA personality.

And the rest are out because they already have their WR core full, they are busy on negotiations with their franchise players or they just not have enough money.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 09:37 AM
How was his childhood messed up?

His mom basically got abused by his grandmother. And from what I know his mom and dad used him as pawn when they argued, and the man across the street with a family, and all was his real father, but his mom never told him until age 12 or something. Imagine growing up not knowing your father and one day you find out the guy across the street with a family and all, is your real dad.

It effected his football play because he never had confidence and so finally he is good at something, and then if he didn't the ball, he would act out and take it personally as if he did something wrong. Basically psychological issues stemming from his child out.

That's why, while I am not a fan of his, I do feel bad for his up bringing.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 09:40 AM
I did a search too and came across this as well. This explains it alot more detail then I knew. This is why I can't really hate the guy. His support group from a young age was a mess!


http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Owens/Owens_bio.html





GROWING UP

Terrell Eldorado Owens was born December 7, 1973, in Alexander City, Alabama. (Click here for today's sports birthdays.) Terrell was the first son to his mother, Marilyn Heard. Only 17 at the time, she was the product of a dysfunctional family herself. Most of Marilyn's childhood was spent in fear and silence. Her mother, Alice, was reportedly cruel to her children (though this claim has been challenged.) Alice raised Marilyn in a confined environment with little love or support. Marilyn wasn't allowed to play with other children and had to come home directly after school. If she didn't, she would pay the price in welts and bruises.

A man named L.C. Russell lived across the street with his wife and kids. Russell was 14 years older than Marilyn, but that didn't matter to either. She craved love and human contact, and he became the father of Terrell. Despite the awkward situation, Russell stayed in the neighborhood with his family.

Marilyn tried to keep her pregnancy a secret from her mother and stepfather, but could only do so for only so long. One night Marilyn's younger sister ran away to live with an aunt. She remained at home with Terrell, who was just a baby.

After Terrell, Marilyn had a girl named Latasha. She was married to the infant's father for a brief time. Then in the early ’80s came two more babies—Sharmaine and Victor—fathered by another man.

Terrell often stayed with his grandmother Alice. She was as hard on him as she was on Marilyn. Alice gave him a bike. but he could only ride it in the yard. Terrell was permitted no spare time with his friends and couldn't watch TV. He was also whipped regularly. For all the abuse, however, Terrell loved Alice, viewing her as a second mother.

When Terrell was young, Alice's marriage fell apart and she began drinking heavily. The youngster often had to take care of her until she sobered up. One time Alice was so intoxicated, she put her purse in the oven and burned up all her money. Ironically, Alice seemed to lighten up as her alcohol problem worsened. She even bought Terrell a go-cart, which they would drive on the highway.

When Terrell turned 12, he befriended a girl across the street. Her father noticed and confronted him, warning Terrell that the girl was actually his half-sister. Thus the youngster learned who his father was.











To escape his tortured home life, Terrell became immersed in sports. Basketball, baseball and swimming were his favorites. He also loved football, idolizing San Francisco star Jerry Rice. Terrell played despite stark opposition from Alice. Marilyn, by contrast, supported her son completely, knowing sports made him happy.

Marilyn bounced from job to job and often found herself back in Alice’s house with Terrell. Her other children hated it there, however, so she eventually moved with them into a beat-up two-bedroom home. Terrell stayed with Alice because there simply wasn’t room for him in the cramped dwelling.

Terrell’s athletic career began to blossom when he entered Benjamin Russell High School in the fall of 1988. During his career, he lettered four times in football and track. He also earned three letters in basketball and one in baseball. Terrell actually didn't start for the football team until his senior year. He even thought about quitting the sport, but his coaches talked him out of it. They saw great talent in him, even if he didn’t yet.

Tall, lanky and exceedingly fast, Terrell had the skills to play Division I football. But recruiters were slow to scout him. In fact, many got their first look at him only because they were watching teammates who were also excellent prospects. Few schools pursued Terrell as aggressively as the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. The coaches there had no problem with Terrell becoming a multi-sport star. For the teenager, the opportunity to compete in more than one sport at the college level was a major selling point.

Rayray52
03-05-2009, 10:11 AM
His mom basically got abused by his grandmother. And from what I know his mom and dad used him as pawn when they argued, and the man across the street with a family, and all was his real father, but his mom never told him until age 12 or something. Imagine growing up not knowing your father and one day you find out the guy across the street with a family and all, is your real dad.

It effected his football play because he never had confidence and so finally he is good at something, and then if he didn't the ball, he would act out and take it personally as if he did something wrong. Basically psychological issues stemming from his child out.

That's why, while I am not a fan of his, I do feel bad for his up bringing.

Cry me a river, his personal problems are his own business and the fact that they not only himself but those around him reveal that he is weak and cowardly.

lordquas
03-05-2009, 10:18 AM
If any Ravens fans say they want T.O
I'm gunna **** down their throats

go to oakland you little puss

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 10:19 AM
On ESPN article it said it cost 9 million.

Yes, we still have to pay $9 million but, we would have to if he was here or not. The actual hit on the cap is only $680,000. Virtually nothing. That $9 million is dead money not an actually cap hit.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 10:20 AM
Cry me a river, his personal problems are his own business and the fact that they not only himself but those around him reveal that he is weak and cowardly.

Whatever it may be it effects each person differently. In TO's case it allows him to basically not play well with others in his team setting. That's why you see him yelling at people from players to coaches. He takes things personally and you can't do that when your on a team.

703SKINS202
03-05-2009, 10:22 AM
Yes, we still have to pay $9 million but, we would have to if he was here or not. The actual hit on the cap is only $680,000. Virtually nothing. That $9 million is dead money not an actually cap hit.

Yea, people are getting confused. The cap hit is only $680,000. The major hit is paying that 9 million still and not having TO on the team anymore.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 10:26 AM
meh...T.O. is a hard guy to figure out. The guy was a saint when he first arrived on the scene. Steve Young says he used to call him "sir" when he first came in the league. Those that worked with or around him when he was a younger player say that he doesnt even resemble that young man at all. I love T.O. but, he is a narcissist who feeds on the attention. I do think he wants everyone to like him and he doesnt want to be seen as this bad boy of football but, he always reverts back to the same guy before long.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 10:28 AM
Yea, people are getting confused. The cap hit is only $680,000. The major hit is paying that 9 million still and not having TO on the team anymore.

Yup, that was pretty much the big dilemma here. Because, either way you would have to pay him...and in cutting him, he actually costs more. Productive or not, this should show you how much of a problem T.O. became in Dallas' eyes. Because, they could have easily kept him for pretty much the same price.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 10:29 AM
meh...T.O. is a hard guy to figure out. The guy was a saint when he first arrived on the scene. Steve Young says he used to call him "sir" when he first came in the league. Those that worked with or around him when he was a younger player say that he doesnt even resemble that young man at all. I love T.O. but, he is a narcissist who feeds on the attention. I do think he wants everyone to like him and he doesnt want to be seen as this bad boy of football but, he always reverts back to the same guy before long.

I agree, I think he takes things personally when he doesn't get the ball. Maybe in a weird way he thinks scoring TDs, making money and such will make his grandmother, dad, and mom love him more. So when a QB decides to go to Witten instead of him, he goes off. He thinks that's another person trying to knock him down. You know are good at something but can't always show the world because someone who throws you the ball would rather go to another guy, or a coach may call another play. I am not saying it's not his fault, but how can you learn how to do things right if the people who are supposed to raise you didn't do a good job.

Bucs_Rule
03-05-2009, 10:30 AM
His mom basically got abused by his grandmother. And from what I know his mom and dad used him as pawn when they argued, and the man across the street with a family, and all was his real father, but his mom never told him until age 12 or something. Imagine growing up not knowing your father and one day you find out the guy across the street with a family and all, is your real dad.

It effected his football play because he never had confidence and so finally he is good at something, and then if he didn't the ball, he would act out and take it personally as if he did something wrong. Basically psychological issues stemming from his child out.

That's why, while I am not a fan of his, I do feel bad for his up bringing.

That is really messed up. Childhood is supposed to be full of fun and stuff. Having a guardian that won't allow it is cruel.

Finding out that your Dad lives across the street for 12 years and only because you were going after a girl has to sting. He has to wonder would be ever have found out if he didn't like that girl.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 10:39 AM
After calling around the league, ESPN's Chris Mortensen says the Redskins, Vikings, and Ravens are all very unlikely to show interest in Terrell Owens.

Mort was definitive with the Redskins, saying "No way." Owens clashed with Vikings coach Brad Childress in Philly, and Ravens coach John Harbaugh was there as well. Both saw how divisive Owens could be up close, and reportedly want no part of him. With early reports suggesting the New York teams as unlikely landing spots, Oakland looks like the most logical destination.

Related: Ravens (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=BAL), Redskins (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=WAS)

Ness
03-05-2009, 10:40 AM
meh...T.O. is a hard guy to figure out. The guy was a saint when he first arrived on the scene. Steve Young says he used to call him "sir" when he first came in the league. Those that worked with or around him when he was a younger player say that he doesnt even resemble that young man at all. I love T.O. but, he is a narcissist who feeds on the attention. I do think he wants everyone to like him and he doesnt want to be seen as this bad boy of football but, he always reverts back to the same guy before long.Trust me, he's not hard to figure out. When he got into the spotlight after Jerry left and the moment things went bad, Owens pouted. He's just a jerk, plain and simple. Works hard, but he's a jerk.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 10:41 AM
Related: Ravens (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=BAL), Redskins (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=WAS)

Nope, out beat writers squashed those rumors of us being interested in him. So not going to the giants. I don't think he is going to any of the NFC East teams now.

jj45
03-05-2009, 10:41 AM
Actually I hink terrell owens became t.o when jerry rice left and steve young left he didn't have that veteran leadership that big brother keeping his head right. If he went to ravens not saying I want him too but he respects ray lewis (he actually apoligized to him once) he might be good for the team and get a ring

bsaza2358
03-05-2009, 10:42 AM
Owens has plenty of issues getting along with people. He needs to be the center of attention at all times and also part of a winner. When your team is winning and he's getting the ball and scoring, he's great. If it's anything less than that perfect scenario, he will pout. Protracted instances where he's both losing and not getting the ball will result in bigger and bigger demonstrations to get attention and touches.

On the field, he is an amazing talent. HOF for sure. As a teammate over the long haul, he has proven himself pretty difficult.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 10:48 AM
Nope, out beat writers squashed those rumors of us being interested in him. So not going to the giants. I don't think he is going to any of the NFC East teams now.

It says...NY as unlikely spots in that little tidbit.

But yeah, I agree...you guys still want Plax back anyway. No reason to replace one bad apple with another.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 10:49 AM
Trust me, he's not hard to figure out. When he got into the spotlight after Jerry left and the moment things went bad, Owens pouted. He's just a jerk, plain and simple. Works hard, but he's a jerk.

Meh...the guy is a jerk, I agree but as some suggested. I think there are some deeper roots to why he acts in such a way.

bsaza2358
03-05-2009, 11:14 AM
TO had a rough upbringing, but plenty of other guys have come from worse and have excelled while not being problematic in any way.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 11:19 AM
TO had a rough upbringing, but plenty of other guys have come from worse and have excelled while not being problematic in any way.

Everyone is different, though. So who knows how that really effected him? The fact does remain that he is a jerk now and he is hard to work with...that we can agree on.

I still love me some T.O., though. But, I have no problem in admiring his play from a far now.

Menardo75
03-05-2009, 11:20 AM
I'm still amazed Jerry actually did it.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2009, 11:24 AM
TO had a rough upbringing, but plenty of other guys have come from worse and have excelled while not being problematic in any way.

Yeah but that's not the point. The point is that stuff in life effect each person differently. Nobody handles events in their respective lives exactly the same and it impacts people differently. Some people can not get damaged and live fine. Others have anger or a huge chip on their shoulder and carry that baggage forever or until it gets resolved.

Obviously it has effected TO. The guy throughout has career has basically ripped and yelled at coaches, and players on the sideline. From the stuff I know by talking to someone knowledgeable of the situation, he takes things too personally, for instance not getting the ball. That's part of the game, when your number gets called you make a play, but in his case if his number isn't called he thinks it has to do with him as a person. Stuff like that is associated with trust in others and confidence, and if your up bringing is touch, stuff like that gets effected.

LetsGoGiants!
03-05-2009, 11:25 AM
haha just saw this on sportscenter, what ann idiot.

BigDawg819
03-05-2009, 11:28 AM
So basically The Player has and excuse and therefore is excused?


Personal Responsibility, he needs some. His actions are of his own doing and like always he wore out his welcome with another team. He's a 35 year old man with the maturity of a 13 year old. His refusal to act accordingly is his fault and his fault alone. He makes his choices and has to pay for them just like the rest of us. He can blame his childhood all he wants, but that doesn't excuse his actions its merely a copout.

Borat
03-05-2009, 11:34 AM
"Let Go T.O."

LOL. Another team tired of his act. I'm shocked.

brat316
03-05-2009, 11:36 AM
He plays for the.....Lions.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
03-05-2009, 11:38 AM
I am one who thinks that he is not as bad as he is made out to be. Cocky yes but is it any different than Garnett making Big baby/or perkins who ever it was cry by calling him out? I think he just wants to win and sometimes goes about it the wrong way. I wouldn't mind him coming to Baltimore. If he was cheap and would stay.

bsaza2358
03-05-2009, 11:45 AM
I am one who thinks that he is not as bad as he is made out to be. Cocky yes but is it any different than Garnett making Big baby/or perkins who ever it was cry by calling him out? I think he just wants to win and sometimes goes about it the wrong way. I wouldn't mind him coming to Baltimore. If he was cheap and would stay.

I would say that your statement is kind of accurate in some ways, but totally inaccurate on the whole. Yes, some of his antics are clearly overblown. He is a media magnet, so every thing he does gets reported, etc. That makes him a distraction because coaches and teammates have to talk and think about it. That's not so much a big deal.

At the same time, he has been sent packing from 3 teams, despite putting up monster numbers. 3 coaching staffs/ownership groups wanted him gone. That says that some of the things behind the scenes really were damaging to the team psyche and the locker room chemistry. 3 times in his career = a trend. That is a big issue.

Brent
03-05-2009, 11:50 AM
Steve Young says he used to call him "sir" when he first came in the league. Those that worked with or around him when he was a younger player say that he doesnt even resemble that young man at all.
That's because Steve was the only QB that Owens ever truly respected. If you want to pinpoint a moment when it all started to go downhill, look no further than "The Catch II" against Green Bay. I think after that, it all went to his head.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 11:51 AM
It wasnt just a respect for Young, though. He was described as just an overall nice/humble guy when it began.

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 12:06 PM
Quick question...

If Jerry Jones hasn't announced this... what happened to the "gag order"?

Did our publicist release this info?

Saints-Tigers
03-05-2009, 12:12 PM
I think personally, if your team can be torn apart by one player, you have more problems than just that player, because anyone that mentally weak isn't getting you to titles anyway. I think TO is a nice scape goat when things start to go wrong for weak minded guys like Romo.

locseti
03-05-2009, 12:27 PM
Burns owns this thread.

BigDawg819
03-05-2009, 12:30 PM
I think personally, if your team can be torn apart by one player, you have more problems than just that player, because anyone that mentally weak isn't getting you to titles anyway. I think TO is a nice scape goat when things start to go wrong for weak minded guys like Romo.


Unfortunately teams will always coddle young QB's, especially ones they are heavily invested in. Romo has his faults and needs to get the proverbial monkey off his back in November and December. That being said, he's still the QB of "America's Team" and will most likely get the benefit of the doubt for the foreseeable future. This is very similar to the Eli/Shockey drama in NY, and we all see how that turned out for the Giants.

senormysterioso
03-05-2009, 12:32 PM
I decided to make an exhaustive list of all the NFL teams, and it's nothing but pure speculation and my own opinion but I think that the teams that may be interested in T.O. could be

Good fits:

Chicago Bears: He is the type big bodied receiver opposite Hester that they are going to be looking for in the draft most likely. He could free them up to get some help on defense or o-line perhaps.

New York Jets: There front office is all about making big splashes lately. The just lost Coles and he could fill that role, maybe even more effectively than Coles himself did.

Buffalo Bills: They've been interested in the top free agent recievers so far this offseason. They need talent and may be willing to take a chance on T.O.

New England Patriots: They have an affinity for aging stars and problem children, T.O. fits both bills.

Kansas City Chiefs: If Matt Cassel is going to be successful, he's going to need to be surrounded by weapons like he was in New England. Peoli came from the New England front office, so it's not a huge leap to think he might have a New England sort of philosophy when it comes to free agents.

Jacksonville Jaguars: They've been looking for a receiver since they've lost Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardel. They gave Joey Porter and Troy Williamson a shot, why not T.O.?

Tennesee Titans: They've never really had a go to receiver. T.O. isn't what he used to be but he's still got a little tread left on the tires. Plus, somebody already mentioned it, but he has ties to the area.

Oakland Raiders: (see history) reeks of an Al Davis kind of player. ESPN has been wanting TO to go to the Raiders since TO became TO.

Less Likely:

Detroit Lions: They already signed Bryant Johnson but T.O. could afford to lose a step or two and still be head and shoulders better than Bryant Johnson. We all know how much they love their receivers in Detroit, but hopefully they'd be concerned with what TO might do to the development of Calvin Johnson.

St. Louis Rams: Torry Holt wants to move on, it seems like the Rams want to get younger but he might be a descent stop gap.

Denver Broncos: They're employing the New York Yankees shotgun approach to free agency and signing everybody available. Brandon Marshall may miss a few games, the old T.O. could fill in for the next T.O.?

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Similar to the Broncos they're being aggressive in free agency, but like the Rams they're getting younger. They just spent a bunch of money on Michael Clayton though...but then again...they have one of the NFL's best kickers on the roster and still signed Mike Nugent...maybe.

Indianapolis Colts: It doesn't look like a Colts move, and it really isn't but they are without Marvin Harrison, for the time being. In the past the quarterback of the team he plays for has been a big deal to T.O. Peyton Manning is one of the games best.

Houston Texans: They've got some nice players opposite Andre Johnson but none that really shift the focus of secondaries away from him. T.O. could, but like Detroit, you don't want T.O. to spoil your young star.

Carolina Panthers: They've got Steve Smith, Mushin Muhamed, and Dwayne Jarret waiting in the wings. Probably no room for TO.
Probably Not Interested:

Cincinniti Bengals: Just signed Coles and have had to put up with Ocho Cinco's nonsense the past few years. Hard to see him here.

Pittsburgh Steelers- They've got Ward, they've got Holmes, they've got Heath Miller. Maybe T.O. will go to a team and be third or maybe fourth (fifth/sixth counting their running backs) but not likely

New Orleans Saints: They're deep at wide reciever, just resigned Henderson/tendered Lance Moore. Meachum is rotting on the bench. Not likely

San Diego Chargers: Chambers, Jackson, Floyd, Osgood, Nanee, Davis. They're already kind of log jammed.

Green Bay Packers: Also are set at reciever

Seattle Seahawks: Just signed Housh to a big deal and they also have Branch and Burleson. Probably not.

Arizona Cardinals: Boldin is already upset that he's not getting the ball enough and they can't pay the guys they already have. Three 1000 yard receivers is probably enough.

Have publicly confirmed they're not interested/T.O. has already burned the bridge majorly

Atlanta Falcons
Baltimore Ravens
New York Giants
Minnesota Vikings
San Francisco 49ers
Miami Dolphins
Washington Redskins
Philadelphia Eagles
Dallas Cowboys

HawkeyeFan
03-05-2009, 12:38 PM
The Rams?

Ahm... Steve Spagnuolo has 4 pillars he wants in a player..:

"As a head coach, I will be committed to doing everything possible to bring success to this franchise," he said. "I'm not about predictions, I'm not about bold statements, but we hope that we're going to be about faith, character, core values and team first. Those will be the four pillars that we will hang our hat on." - Steve Spagnuolo, St. Louis Rams New Head Coach.

T.O fits in where in those 4 pillars?

senormysterioso
03-05-2009, 12:43 PM
The Rams?
T.O fits in where in those 4 pillars?

Leonard Little is still on the roster...just saying...he killed somebody

HawkeyeFan
03-05-2009, 12:47 PM
Leonard Little is still on the roster...just saying...he killed somebody
So did Ray Lewis, but neither have character issues. It was Little's birthday, he got messed up, hit a car and killed someones mom. Is it a tragedy? Most definitely, but it doesn't mean he has character issues...it was an accident... nevermind.

Leonard Little hasn't been a cancer in the locker room, or on the field. He plays his heart out, and is one of the most generous guys, constantly doing fund raising and community work around places.

BigDawg819
03-05-2009, 01:20 PM
So did Ray Lewis, but neither have character issues. It was Little's birthday, he got messed up, hit a car and killed someones mom. Is it a tragedy? Most definitely, but it doesn't mean he has character issues...it was an accident... nevermind.

Leonard Little hasn't been a cancer in the locker room, or on the field. He plays his heart out, and is one of the most generous guys, constantly doing fund raising and community work around places.


Actually Ray was just there and wasn't found guilty of any involvement. So that said we really should let that go.

locseti
03-05-2009, 01:25 PM
Actually Ray was just there and wasn't found guilty of any involvement. So that said we really should let that go.

People found not guilty are always innocent, just ask O.J.

someone447
03-05-2009, 01:29 PM
I think personally, if your team can be torn apart by one player, you have more problems than just that player, because anyone that mentally weak isn't getting you to titles anyway. I think TO is a nice scape goat when things start to go wrong for weak minded guys like Romo.

Have you never been on a team where two likable people couldn't stand each other? Everyone ends up siding with the person they like best. It isn't anything conscious, but the team won't be able to work together quite as well. It's a small difference, but especially in the NFL, a small difference means a lot. It isn't weak minded, its called being human.

I KNOW IT ALL
03-05-2009, 01:40 PM
So did Ray Lewis, but neither have character issues. It was Little's birthday, he got messed up, hit a car and killed someones mom. Is it a tragedy? Most definitely, but it doesn't mean he has character issues...it was an accident... nevermind.

Leonard Little hasn't been a cancer in the locker room, or on the field. He plays his heart out, and is one of the most generous guys, constantly doing fund raising and community work around places.

You don't think running red lights with a BAC of 0.19 is a character issue? LOL.

Further, he made the same mistake AGAIN when he got charged with speeding and DUI in 2004. Luckily he didn't kill anybody this time.

Yet you're probably one of the people who are ripping Vick for fighting dogs.

locseti
03-05-2009, 01:45 PM
You don't think running red lights with a BAC of 0.19 is a character issue? LOL.

Further, he made the same mistake AGAIN when he got charged with speeding and DUI in 2004. Luckily he didn't kill anybody this time.

Yet you're probably one of the people who are ripping Vick for fighting dogs.

zingy-zingy-burn-burn!

Saints-Tigers
03-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Have you never been on a team where two likable people couldn't stand each other? Everyone ends up siding with the person they like best. It isn't anything conscious, but the team won't be able to work together quite as well. It's a small difference, but especially in the NFL, a small difference means a lot. It isn't weak minded, its called being human.

I've been on teams where I don't like plenty of people, but instead of acting like a female, we did what we had to do to win, and didn't blame each other's talking to much as the reason we lose.

twista6002
03-05-2009, 02:08 PM
I don't know what I want more: egg all over Jerra's face or the Cowboys keeping the world's largest tumor. I'm happy, yet sad...

Chief49er
03-05-2009, 02:10 PM
Lets say Owens goes to the Patriots...

That would be insane, I honestly think that offense with Brady could keep Moss and Owens happy with their handful of catches. I really hate the Patriots though..

Just a thought.

Jvig43
03-05-2009, 02:28 PM
Lets say Owens goes to the Patriots...

That would be insane, I honestly think that offense with Brady could keep Moss and Owens happy with their handful of catches. I really hate the Patriots though..

Just a thought.

No, I dont want TO anywhere near the pats organization. We dont need him, well be fine without him. Id rather use the big money on Peppers, or hell even Boldin, but again I dont think we need another big name WR. And honestly, all T.O has played with are big name QBs, and hes still a cancer.

gafyobop
03-05-2009, 02:46 PM
I hope he is not signed by anyone personally.

It would be a welcomed wake up call for more than a few losers with talent.

gafyobop
03-05-2009, 02:48 PM
I don't know what I want more: egg all over Jerra's face or the Cowboys keeping the world's largest tumor. I'm happy, yet sad...

Jones is an imbecile but he got it right last two days.

Owens and Williams were dead weight with attitudes.

This team, even with the fat loser coach, might stand a chance next year in a tougher NFC.

thetedginnshow
03-05-2009, 02:51 PM
Haha. A bunch of teams have already declared that they're not interested.

...except the Patriots.

yourfavestoner
03-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Yea, people are getting confused. The cap hit is only $680,000. The major hit is paying that 9 million still and not having TO on the team anymore.

According to Rotoworld.com, the cap charge is: $8.995 million

Terrell Owens Wide Receiver 6/2/2008: Signed a four-year, $34 million contract. The deal contains $13 million guaranteed, including a $12.9 million signing bonus and $100,000 of his first-year base salary. 2009: $2.67 million (+ $3.1 million roster bonus due in June), 2010: $7.5 million, 2011: $7 million, 2012: Free Agent. Cap charges: $8.995 million (2009), $10.725 million (2010), $10.225 million (2011).

I'll just do the math for you guys to explain it.

$12.9 million signing bonus. The signing bonus is the only part of the contract that is guaranteed. $12.9 prorated over four years is $3.2 million of signing bonus money that he gets paid per year. Signing bonus is paid at the start of the new league year (March 1st). So the Cowboys have paid him $6.4 million of that $12.9 signing bonus money ($3.2 million for last season, $3.2 for this season). That $3.2 million that they paid him goes onto this year's cap along with the remaining $6.4 million of remaining signing bonus money they must pay him after releasing him. The signing bonus money and dead money total creates a salary cap charge of $9.6 million.

However, the Cowboys also avoid having to pay him his $2.67 million base salary for this season as well as a $3.1 million roster bonus due in June. That's a total of $5.77 million of savings that gets credited back to their cap.

So they have a charge of $9.6 million on this year's cap ($3.2 million of prorated signing bonus paid March 1, plus remaining $6.4 million of unpaid signing bonus that accelerates onto current year's cap) . If the Cowboys had decided not to release TO, he would have accounted for 9 million against Dallas' cap ($3.2 million signing bonus paid March 1, $3.1 million roster bonus paid June 1, $2.67 million base salary). The result is an additional cap charge of $600,000.

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 02:59 PM
The thing people are getting confused about is the difference between a cap hit and dead money.

BmoreBlackByrdz
03-05-2009, 03:22 PM
Wow is it fair to say that he might not be playin for anyone at all next season?

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 04:19 PM
The thing people are getting confused about is the difference between a cap hit and dead money.
Maybe you need to explain your understanding of it.

Are you on the same page with what yourfavstoner just said?

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 04:31 PM
Maybe you need to explain your understanding of it.

Are you on the same page with what yourfavstoner just said?

People keep saying we're looking at a $9 million cap hit. In actuality, it is a minimal cap hit of $680,000. The other $9 million is dead money. Money that would have been against the cap regardless if T.O. was here or not. Cutting T.O. doesnt hurt our current number of available funds...again we're just losing $680,000. By cutting him, you're actually saving money in the long run because, he comes off the books.

With Owens he counted for $9 million, without him he counts for $9.68 million. A difference of $680,000...you're just paying for something that isnt there...it's dead money.

PACKmanN
03-05-2009, 04:32 PM
imo, he will be a Raven. Didn't he say he wants to play with Lewis? Lewis has earned a lot of players respect I think Owens will keep his mouth shut. Plus he would be the number 1 guy in that offense.

D-Unit
03-05-2009, 04:34 PM
Well, YFS said, "The signing bonus money and dead money total creates a salary cap charge of $9.6 million."

So I think there is still some confusion... even amongst those "who know"....?

Cap hit/Cap charge... same thing right?

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 04:37 PM
Well, YFS said, "The signing bonus money and dead money total creates a salary cap charge of $9.6 million."

So I think there is still some confusion... even amongst those "who know"....?

Cap hit/Cap charge... same thing right?

No not really...a cap hit would be an effect on our free money available. That is only $680,000. His charge toward the cap would be the money he was making anyway, if he was on the team or not. That would be the $9 million + $680,000. He was going to count for that $9 million anyway but, by cutting him he counts for an additional $680,000. Which is then removed from our available funds. Thus you're looking at a cap hit of $680,000.

BeerBaron
03-05-2009, 04:39 PM
Cap hit/Cap charge... same thing right?

As I understand it, that is true. Just different ways of saying the same thing about what affect accelerated bonus money has on the salary cap when a player is cut.

Anyway, it might have been said here many times already but i don't feel like reading 5+ pages of this thread, so I'll just state my opinion here.

I think the Cowboys will be just fine offensively. Roy Williams was brought over during last season and thats a tough spot for a WR to come into. They need the offseason to develop a report with their QB and offensive coordinator and such, so his impact was minimal. But now that he'll have all of this offseason to work into the team's #1 WR spot, I think they'll be just fine. Between he, Crayton and Witten, plus a former pro bowl QB in Romo, the passing game will be just fine. Supplant that crew to my Bears and i think they'd be a legit Superbowl threat.

So I wouldn't overreact to them losing a receiver by saying they should go out and sign one, trade for one, draft one high, etc. They do still need some youth and depth there I think, but not with their highest draft pick. Some mid-round guy to develop would be nice i think.

Just wanted to get all that out.

BmoreBlackByrdz
03-05-2009, 04:41 PM
imo, he will be a Raven. Didn't he say he wants to play with Lewis? Lewis has earned a lot of players respect I think Owens will keep his mouth shut. Plus he would be the number 1 guy in that offense.

He's not coming to Baltimore dude. Harbaugh was in Philly when T.O. was and he wants nothing of that. But I do like Mike Preston's idea of how we should deal with T.O.

If I were Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, I'd get in a bidding war with another team for the services of former Dallas wide receiver Terrell Owens. I'd drive up the market, and then offer T.O. the highest contract.

After the other teams dropped out, I'd pull the contract off the table at the last minute just like Owens did to the Ravens years ago, leaving the big mouth Owens with nowhere to go. You know what they say, "Payback is a bear."
-Mike Preston, Baltimore Sun, genius

M.O.T.H.
03-05-2009, 04:43 PM
Owens will count $9.675 million in "dead money" next season, but Dallas will lose only $680,000 in actual cap money by cutting him.

Owens' current cap charge is $8.995 million. The Cowboys also save $3.1 million in real dollars because they do not have to pay a roster bonus due June 1.


There^^^^^^^

yourfavestoner
03-05-2009, 04:46 PM
Well, YFS said, "The signing bonus money and dead money total creates a salary cap charge of $9.6 million."

So I think there is still some confusion... even amongst those "who know"....?

Cap hit/Cap charge... same thing right?

Bah...I messed up at the end. I shouldn't have subtracted the credit the team gets back in base salary and roster bonus. I'll go edit right now.

Edit: Done. Correctly this time, and edited to make more sense.

gafyobop
03-05-2009, 05:40 PM
He's not coming to Baltimore dude. Harbaugh was in Philly when T.O. was and he wants nothing of that. But I do like Mike Preston's idea of how we should deal with T.O.

Yeah and you can kiss Rosehaus clients BYE BYE.

Preston is talking in a bubble. If Newsome ever did that, he would lose alot of credibility with the Players for a LONG TIME.

It is an unwritten rule that everyone knows.... the Teams are the adults here and the Players are the children. So long as that is respected the negotiation system works.

senormysterioso
03-05-2009, 06:09 PM
apparently you can add the jets, rams, and titans to the list of teams who aren't interested

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2009, 06:19 PM
apparently you can add the jets, rams, and titans to the list of teams who aren't interested

That list is growing fast too:

NFL Network's Adam Schefter's random survey of wide-receiver needy teams in the NFL revealed "next to no interest" in free agent Terrell Owens.
The most interesting comment came from an executive who compared T.O. to Barry Bonds, saying that no one in the league wants a jerk, so "he could wind up sitting out the same way Barry did." The most positive of all the responses was "I highly doubt it." It's clear that T.O. will not receive immediate interest, but the situation is fluid.
Source: NFL.com

BaLLiN
03-05-2009, 06:49 PM
Giants are the best fit for both sides.

They did just sign two guys with a history of domestic violence. And I think their last big receiver shot himself or something.

dont stray from the light giants, please god, for all that is holy dont make the big man come to us, im scared...

i am sorry for him though, i too had a bad situation, but nothing quite as bad as my dad being a neighbor