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Goblinslayer
03-12-2009, 04:08 PM
Which linebackers/and or DEs will fit best as 3-4 OLBs in the NFL?

I KNOW IT ALL
03-12-2009, 04:12 PM
Brian Orakpo
Everette Brown
Aaron Maybin
Larry English
Michael Johnson
Brian Cushing
Clay Matthews
Clint Sintim
Connor Barwin

Those are probably the names you'll hear most often.

gpngc
03-12-2009, 04:13 PM
This is the appropriate thread I guess...

Is Larry English 274 lbs. or 255 lbs.?

Anyone know for sure?

ThePudge
03-12-2009, 04:42 PM
English was 255 at the Combine, 254 at the Senior Bowl

Babylon
03-12-2009, 04:56 PM
Which linebackers/and or DEs will fit best as 3-4 OLBs in the NFL?


If i were going with a 3-4 OLB early in this draft i would go with Connor Barwin. Formerly a TE who was outstanding at DE this year. I think you have to question his upper body strength at 21 reps (needs to work on that) but beyond that he was almost freakish at the combine with 4.6 speed, 10-6 jump and a 41 inch vertical at 6-3 and 255lbs. My list would include:

Barwin
Brown
English
Matthews
Maybin
Sintim

Dont consider Cushing and Orakpo as 3-4 OLBs

energizerbunny
03-12-2009, 05:00 PM
I think you have to question his upper body strength at 21 reps (needs to work on that)


Basic strenght training tells you that anything over 10 reps is not muscle strength but muscular endurance. 21 isn't bad endurance for a DE/OLB, he doesn't need much work in that area.

Babylon
03-12-2009, 05:10 PM
Basic strenght training tells you that anything over 10 reps is not muscle strength but muscular endurance. 21 isn't bad endurance for a DE/OLB, he doesn't need much work in that area.

The best at the combine at the OLB position in the bench were:

Cushing-30
Brown- 26
Curry-25
Maybin-24
Matthews-23
English-22
Barwin-21

You can see Barwin isnt far from the average but i'd still love to see him more towards the top than the bottom.

I KNOW IT ALL
03-12-2009, 05:13 PM
I always wondered why they don't do max bench, max squat, olympic lifts, etc. at the combine? Bench press for reps seems so pointless.

CashmoneyDrew
03-12-2009, 05:17 PM
I always wondered why they don't do max bench, max squat, olympic lifts, etc. at the combine? Bench press for reps seems so pointless.

It's an endurance thing that you have to work hard for and build up to. The bench press itself is a very overrated determinant for strength in my opinion.

abaddon41_80
03-12-2009, 05:18 PM
<Obligatory Phillip Hunt pimpin'>

Phillip Hunt, Houston

</Obligatory Phillip Hunt pimpin'>

keylime_5
03-12-2009, 05:18 PM
Orakpo
Maybin
E.Brown
Matthews
English
Sintim
Barwin
Sidbury
C.Brown

Ayers could play 3-4 OLB, he is a similar player to Justin Tuck of the Giants, can play outside in a 4-3 and inside on passing downs, and can play OLB in a 3-4 like I said. Very versatile guy. Cushing would be an ILB in a 3-4.

I think Sintim is more one dimensional than the other guys who are expected to be picked in the 1st two rounds, he's really just a pure pass rusher right now, but he has experience playing outside linebacker in college so that's a plus. Barwin is a great athlete, but his skills are very raw. With some coaching and refinement he has a very high ceiling, is a lot like Mike Vrabel. English is gonna be a great value in the early second, could sneak into the late first. Clay Matthews is not for every team, but he would be a great fit in some schemes, esp. Miami's.

Babylon
03-12-2009, 05:40 PM
Orakpo
Maybin
E.Brown
Matthews
English
Sintim
Barwin
Sidbury
C.Brown

Ayers could play 3-4 OLB, he is a similar player to Justin Tuck of the Giants, can play outside in a 4-3 and inside on passing downs, and can play OLB in a 3-4 like I said. Very versatile guy. Cushing would be an ILB in a 3-4.

I think Sintim is more one dimensional than the other guys who are expected to be picked in the 1st two rounds, he's really just a pure pass rusher right now, but he has experience playing outside linebacker in college so that's a plus. Barwin is a great athlete, but his skills are very raw. With some coaching and refinement he has a very high ceiling, is a lot like Mike Vrabel. English is gonna be a great value in the early second, could sneak into the late first. Clay Matthews is not for every team, but he would be a great fit in some schemes, esp. Miami's.

I remember Vrabel at a similar stage and it seems like he was a more established pass rusher but certainly not the athlete that Barwin is. Barwin is also a weapon as a TE on goal line situations. That comparison is a great one but i guess the question is how much do you pay for the next Mike Vrabel?

gpngc
03-12-2009, 07:21 PM
English is listed at 274 here: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/larry-english?id=80423

255 here: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24761

What gives?

parrish_lemar24DBSkins
03-12-2009, 07:40 PM
Barwin is a freak athlete and better than any OLB prospect coming out of USC.

OLB is one of the deeper positions in the draft, with a number of guys who should have excellent pro careers.

Most of them have the versatility to play in a 3-4 or a 4-3, depends what skill set you're looking for.

roscoesdad27
03-12-2009, 07:45 PM
Barwin is a freak athlete and better than any OLB prospect coming out of USC.

Most of them have the versatility to play in a 3-4 or a 4-3, depends what skill set you're looking for.

disagree

1) cushing is a MUCH better 4-3 olb prospect than barwin and a tad better 3-4 olb prospect.

2) i would say barwin and matthews are about even as 3-4 olb's....why the usc hate?

3) i dont think any of the converted college d.e.'s would make good 4-3 olb's.

Matthew Jones
03-12-2009, 08:00 PM
This is how I'd rank them, with their draft round value included:

3-4 OLB:

1. Everette Brown, Florida State (1)
2. Brian Orakpo, Texas
3. Clint Sintim, Virginia (1-2)
4. Larry English, Northern Illinois
5. Clay Matthews, Southern California
6. Brian Cushing, Southern California
7. Aaron Maybin, Penn State (2)
8. Connor Barwin, Cincinnati
9. Paul Kruger, Utah
10. Robert Ayers, Tennessee (3)

parrish_lemar24DBSkins
03-12-2009, 08:17 PM
Based on impact plays and film!!

I don't hate USC, but I do hate hype.

Barwin is more durable than Cushing, who will miss games next year with injuries, and simply is a more natural playmaker.

Consider he played only one year of defense last year and totally dominated the Big East.

Cushing is probably more versatile, (capable of playing any LB position in the pros at a very high level), I just think Barwin has more upside.

Barwin's bigger than Cushing,( at the combine - weight, height), more explosive,(vert test), similar speed.

I'd take either one, but I'm excited to see how Barwin develops the more time he spends playing defense.

brat316
03-20-2009, 09:29 AM
Clint Sintim will end up being the best 3-4 olb, when all is said and done. He has experience playing both de and olb, and seem to be the most complete player better than English. Sure he doesn't have outstanding numbers in one area, but he is the most complete. He can actually shed the blocks and play the run, something most of sometimes forget when arguing about 3-4 olbs.

Bigburt63
03-20-2009, 09:33 AM
Clint Sintim will end up being the best 3-4 olb, when all is said and done. He has experience playing both de and olb, and seem to be the most complete player better than English. Sure he doesn't have outstanding numbers in one area, but he is the most complete. He can actually shed the blocks and play the run, something most of sometimes forget when arguing about 3-4 olbs.

Completely agree. Sintim is my favorite 3-4 OLB in this draft. He ahs the experience of actually playing that position in college.

bitonti
03-20-2009, 10:01 AM
Connor Barwin should be no lower than 3 on any 3-4 OLB list. Brown, Rak then Barwin.

oldman9er
03-20-2009, 11:05 AM
I think any of these guys could make stud OLBs in a 3-4
( haha, really narrowed it down, didn't I? Would be happy with any 1 of them on the first day of draft )

-------------- height - weight - 10-split - vertical - bench - shuttle - 3-cone - b jump


Everette Brown ---- 6' 1.4" - 256 lbs - 1.59 - 31.5" - 26 - 4.53 - 7.58 - 9' 9"
Brian Orakpo ------- 6' 3" -- 263 lbs -- 1.58 -- 39.5" - 31 - n/a -- n/a -- n/a
Michael Johnson - 6' 6.7" -- 266 lbs -- 1.56 -- 38.5" - 28 - 4.37 - 7.42 - 10' 8"
Larry English ------ 6' 2.1" - 255 lbs -- 1.64 --- 36" -- 24 - 4.38 - 7.26 - 8' 11"
Connor Barwin ---- 6' 3.5" - 256 lbs -- 1.58 -- 40.5" - 21 - 4.18 - 6.87 - 10' 8"
Clint Sintim -------- 6' 2.6" - 256 lbs -- 1.58 - 34.5" - n/a - 4.40 - 7.37 - 9' 11"
Aaron Maybin ------ 6' 3.6" - 249 lbs -- 1.57 -- 38" -- 22 - 4.38 - 7.50 - 10' 4"
Robert Ayers ------ 6' 3.1" -- 272 lbs - 1.66 - 29.5" - 18 - 4.51 - 7.58 - 8' 6"
Paul Kruger -------- 6' 4.2" - 263 lbs - 1.60 -- 32.5" - 24 - 4.47 - 7.52 - 9'
Lawrence Sidbury - 6' 2" --- 266 lbs - 1.53 --- 35" -- 28 - 4.43 - 7.45 - 10' 0"

SimonRath
03-20-2009, 11:09 AM
what makes a good 3-4 LB?

Babylon
03-20-2009, 11:12 AM
Completely agree. Sintim is my favorite 3-4 OLB in this draft. He ahs the experience of actually playing that position in college.

The problem with Sintim it appears is he didnt perform well in space at either the Senior Bowl or the combine. I think if you're looking at athletes he's down on that list. 2nd round would seem about right for him.

hannah73
03-20-2009, 11:28 AM
what makes a good 3-4 LB?

Well from BB he said something like the ideal is about 6'5", 260 and very athletic. Strong enough to hold the point on the run and set the edge. Agile and quick enough to rush the QB effectively.

Pats drafted Crable last year who had a huge # of TFL in college, but hasn't been that strong at the POA yet. He's about 6'5" 250.

Bigburt63
03-20-2009, 02:04 PM
The problem with Sintim it appears is he didnt perform well in space at either the Senior Bowl or the combine. I think if you're looking at athletes he's down on that list. 2nd round would seem about right for him.

He was playing in a 4-3 at the senior bowl, not really his optimal position IMO. I'm not a huge numbers guy, more of a game film person. He performed very well in the 3-4 in college, and I think he will be a stud in the NFL. Late 1st-early 2nd is probably where he will get drafted though, you're right.

Babylon
03-20-2009, 04:20 PM
He was playing in a 4-3 at the senior bowl, not really his optimal position IMO. I'm not a huge numbers guy, more of a game film person. He performed very well in the 3-4 in college, and I think he will be a stud in the NFL. Late 1st-early 2nd is probably where he will get drafted though, you're right.

I was going off reports of the week leading up to the game. I think he's pretty good but there are several others i think will go earlier. Wouldnt have any problem taking this guy in the second round.

TACKLE
03-20-2009, 04:26 PM
I really like Clint Sintim but he hasn't done very well in anything leading up to the draft. On tape, he is an excellent player who shows explosiveness off the edge, but at the combine and senior bowl, he's looked mediocre at best. I'm a little conflicted on him.

Everette Brown will be a monster off the edge.

Also look out for Lawrence Sidbury. Physically he has everything you look for in a 3-4 OLB and he h as the production to back it up. He just has the whole small school thing working against him.

phlysac
03-20-2009, 05:31 PM
My personal preferences...

WILL
1. Everette Brown
2. Aaron Maybin
3. Lawrence Sidbury
4. Connor Barwin
5. Michael Johnson

SAM
1. Robert Ayers
2. Brian Orakpo
3. Larry English
4. Clint Sintim