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ThePudge
03-15-2009, 04:39 AM
Another lengthy post here, take your time. Some big movers in my positional rankings and Big Board. The Board, as you will see, expanded to 255 (the number of picks in the draft.) It was tough, I am pretty happy with it. I'm satisfied with everything for now. Feel free to disagree, just let me know why. NFL teams all have different boards, I understand there can be disagreements with neither side as fact. I will not speak like my word is fact, please try to stay open-minded, I have found the closed-minded people look like the biggest idiots on draft day (I used to fall into that category.) Ask questions, make comments, all feedback is appreciated. As always, Enjoy!


Mid-March Player Rankings

OFFENSE

Quarterbacks
1. Matthew Stafford – Georgia – Top 5
2. Mark Sanchez – USC – Top 15
3. Josh Freeman – Kansas State – Mid 1st-Early 2nd
4. Pat White – West Virginia – Mid 2nd-Mid 3rd (WR)*
5. Rhett Bomar – Sam Houston State – Late 3rd-Late 4th
6. Stephen McGee – Texas A&M – Early 4th-Early 5th
7. Nate Davis – Ball State – Mid 4th-Mid 5th
8. Curtis Painter – Purdue – Early 5th-Early 6th
9. Hunter Cantwell – Lousiville – Early 5th-Mid 6th
10. John Parker Wilson – Alabama – Mid 5th-Early 7th
11. Jason Boltus – Hartwick – Late 5th-Mid 7th
12. Cullen Harper – Clemson – Early 6th-Mid 7th
13. Mike Reilly – Central Washington – Early 6th-Late 7th
14. Tom Brandstater – Fresno State – Early 6th-UDFA
15. Drew Willy – Buffalo – Late 6th-UDFA
16. Nathan Brown – Central Arkansas – 7th Round-UDFA
17. Graham Harrell – Texas Tech – 7th Round-UDFA
18. Mike Teel – Rutgers – UDFA
19. Rudy Carpenter – Arizona State – UDFA
20. Chris Crane – Boston College – UDFA
21. Willie Tuitama – Arizona – UDFA
22. David Johnson – Tulsa – UDFA
23. Chris Pizzoti – Harvard - UDFA
24. Chase Daniel – Missouri – UDFA
25. Billy Malone – Abilene Christian - UDFA


Running Backs
1. Chris “Beanie” Wells – Ohio State – Top 15
2. Knowshon Moreno – Georgia – Top 25
3. LeSean McCoy – Pittsburgh – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
4. Donald Brown – Connecticut – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
5. Andre Brown – North Carolina State – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
6. Rashad Jennings – Liberty – Late 2nd-Early 4th
7. Shonn Greene – Iowa – Third Round
8. Mike Goodson – Texas A&M – Early 3rd-Early 4th
9. Devin Moore – Wyoming – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
10. Bernard Scott – Abilene Christian – Early 4th-Mid 5th
11. Kory Sheets – Purdue – Late 3rd-Early 5th
12. Javon Ringer – Michigan State – Late 3rd-Early 5th
13. James Davis – Clemson – Early 4th-Early 5th
14. Cedric Peerman – Virginia – Mid 4th-Mid 5th
15. Glen Coffee – Alabama – Late 4th-Late 5th
16. Ian Johnson – Boise State – Mid 5th-Late 6th
17. Jeremiah Johnson – Oregon – Mid 5th-Late 6th
18. Javarris Williams – Tennessee State – Late 5th-Mid 7th
19. Marlon Lucky – Nebraska – Mid 6th-UDFA
20. Arian Foster – Tennessee – Mid 6th-UDFA
21. Aaron Brown – TCU – Late 6th-UDFA
22. Tyrell Sutton – Northwestern – 7th Round-UDFA
23. Keegan Herring – Arizona State – 7th Round-UDFA
24. P.J. Hill – Wisconsin – 7th Round-UDFA
25. Gartrell Johnson – Colorado State – UDFA


Fullbacks
1. Quinn Johnson – LSU – Mid 4th-Late 5th
2. Tony Fiammetta – Syracuse – Mid 4th-Late 5th
3. Brannan Southerland – Georgia – Late 4th-Late 5th
4. Brock Bolen – Louisville – Early 6th-Mid 7th
5. Eddie Williams – Idaho – Mid 6th-UDFA
6. Jason Cook – Mississippi – Mid 6th-UDFA
7. Conredge Collins – Pittsburgh – 7th Round-UDFA
8. Eric Kettani – Navy – 7th Round-UDFA
9. Marcus Mailei – Weber State – UDFA
10. Bill Rentmeester – Wisconsin – UDFA


Wide Receivers
1. Jeremy Maclin – Missouri – Top 15
2. Michael Crabtree – Texas Tech – Top 10
3. Darrius Heyward-Bey – Maryland – Top 20
4. Percy Harvin – Florida – Top 32
5. Hakeem Nicks – North Carolina – Top 32
6. Kenny Britt – Rutgers – Late 1st-Early 2nd
7. Brian Robiskie – Ohio State – Second Round
8. Juaquin Iglesias – Oklahoma – Late 2nd-Mid 3rd
9. Ramses Barden – Cal-Poly – Mid 3rd-Early 4th
10. Mohamed Massaquoi – Georgia – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
11. Brandon Tate – North Carolina – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
12. Louis Murphy – Florida – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
13. Jarrett Dillard – Rice – Fourth Round
14. Derrick Williams – Penn State – Early 3rd-Early 5th
15. Pat White – West Virginia – Mid 2nd-Mid 3rd (QB)*
16. Kenny McKinley – South Carolina – Early 4th-Mid 5th
17. Demetrius Byrd – LSU – Mid 4th-Late 5th
18. Austin Collie – BYU – Mid 4th-Late 5th
19. Mike Thomas – Arizona – Late 4th-Early 6th
20. Johnny Knox – Abilene Christian – Late 4th-Mid 6th
21. Sammie Stroughter – Oregon State – Early 5th-Mid 6th
22. Mike Wallace – Mississippi – Early 5th-Mid 6th
23. Deon Butler – Penn State – Early 5th-Mid 6th
24. Marko Mitchell – Nevada – Mid 5th-Early 7th
25. Brandon Gibson – Washington State – Mid 5th-Early 7th
26. Kevin Ogletree – Virginia – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
27. Aaron Kelly – Clemson – Late 5th-Mid 7th
28. Tiquan Underwood – Rutgers – Late 5th-Late 7th
29. Domonique Edison – Stephen F. Austin – Early 6th-Late 7th
30. Quan Cosby – Texas – Mid 6th-UDFA
31. Darius Passmore – Marshall – Late 6th-UDFA
32. Brian Hartline – Ohio State – 7th Round-UDFA
33. Patrick Turner – USC – 7th Round-UDFA
34. Jordan Norwood – Penn State – 7th Round-UDFA
35. Jaison Williams – Oregon – 7th Round-UDFA


Tight Ends
1. Brandon Pettigrew – Oklahoma State – Top 25
2. Jared Cook – South Carolina – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
3. Shawn Nelson – Southern Mississippi – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
4. Chase Coffman – Missouri – Late 2nd-Early 4th
5. Cornelius Ingram – Florida – Mid 3rd-Early 4th
6. James Casey – Rice – Mid 3rd-Early 4th
7. Travis Beckum – Wisconsin – Late 3rd-Early 5th
8. Cameron Morrah – California – Early 4th-Early 5th
9. John Phillips – Virginia - Mid 4th-Mid 5th
10. Richard Quinn – North Carolina – Late 4th-Early 6th
11. Kory Sperry – Colorado State – Early 5th-Mid 6th
12. Davon Drew – East Carolina – Late 5th-Early 7th
13. Jared Bronson – Central Washington – Late 5th-Early 7th
14. Darius Hill – Ball State – Mid 5th-UDFA
15. Bear Pascoe – Fresno State – Late 5th-Mid 7th
16. Anthony Hill – North Carolina State – Late 5th-Mid 7th
17. Zach Miller – Nebraska-Omaha – Late 5th-Late 7th
18. Ryan Purvis – Boston College – 7th Round-UDFA
19. Dan Gronkowski – Maryland – 7th Round-UDFA
20. Travis McCall- Alabama – 7th Round-UDFA


Offensive Tackles
1. Jason Smith – Baylor – Top 5
2. Eugene Monroe – Virginia – Top 10
3. Andre Smith – Alabama – Top 15 (OG)
4. Michael Oher – Mississippi – Top 15
5. William Beatty – Connecticut – Late 1st-Early 2nd
6. Eben Britton – Arizona – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
7. Jamon Meredith – South Carolina – Early 2nd-Early 3rd
8. Phil Loadholt – Oklahoma – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
9. Gerald Cadogan – Penn State – Early 3rd-Early 4th
10. Troy Kropog – Tulane – Early 3rd-Early 4th
11. T.J. Lang – Eastern Michigan – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th (OG)
12. Jason Watkins – Florida – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
13. Fenuki Tupou – Oregon – Late 3rd-Mid 5th (OG)
14. Xavier Fulton – Illinois – Early 4th-Late 5th (OG)
15. Joel Bell – Furman – Early 5th-Early 7th
16. Andrew Gardner – Georgia Tech – Late 5th-Early 7th
17. Lydon Murtha – Nebraska – Mid 5th-Early 7th
18. Augustus Parrish – Kent State – Late 5th-Early 7th
19. Alex Boone – Ohio State – 7th Round-UDFA
20. Rylan Reed – Texas Tech – 7th Round-UDFA
21. Garrett Reynolds – North Carolina – 7th Round-UDFA
22. Andrew Hartline – Central Michigan – 7th Round-UDFA
23. Robert Brewster – Ball State – 7th Round-UDFA (OG)
24. Jose Valdez – Arkansas – 7th Round-UDFA (OG)
25. Brandon Pearce – Memphis – UDFA


Offensive Guards
1. Duke Robinson – Oklahoma – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
2. Andy Levitre – Oregon State – Early 3rd-Early 4th
3. Cornelius Lewis – Tennessee State – Early 3rd-Mid 4th (OT)
4. Trevor Canfield – Cincinnati – Late 3rd-Late 4th
5. Kraig Urbik – Wisconsin – Early 4th-Early 5th
6. Roger Allen – Missouri Western State – Late 4th-Early 6th
7. Herman Johnson – LSU – Early 5th-Mid 7th
8. Louis Vasquez – Texas Tech – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
9. Tyronne Green – Auburn – Early 6th-Late 7th
10. C.J. Davis – Pittsburgh – Mid 6th-UDFA
11. Seth Olsen – Iowa – 7th Round-UDFA
12. Ray Feniga – BYU – 7th Round-UDFA
13. Andy Kemp – Wisconsin – 7th Round-UDFA
14. Greg Isander – West Virginia – 7th Round-UDFA
15. Brandon Walker – Oklahoma – 7th Round-UDFA


Centers
1. Alex Mack – California – Late 1st-Early 2nd
2. Eric Wood – Louisville – Second Round
3. Max Unger – Oregon – Late 1st-Early 3rd
4. Antoine Caldwell – Alabama – Early 3rd-Early 4th
5. Jonathan Luigs – Arkansas – Early 4th-Early 5th
6. A.Q. Shipley – Penn State – Late 4th-Early 6th
7. Blake Schleuter – TCU – Mid 5th-Early 7th
8. Jon Cooper – Oklahoma – Late 5th-Late 7th
9. Edwin Williams – Maryland – Late 5th-Late 7th
10. Alex Fletcher – Stanford – Early 6th-UDFA
11. Juan Garcia – Washington – Mid 6th-UDFA
12. Brett Helms – LSU – 7th Round-UDFA

DEFENSE

Defensive Ends
1. Brian Orakpo – Texas – Top 15
2. Everette Brown – Florida State – Top 15
3. Aaron Maybin –Penn State – Mid 1st-Early 2nd
4. Larry English – Northern Illinois – Mid 1st-Early 2nd
5. Tyson Jackson – LSU – Top 32
6. Robert Ayers – Tennessee – Mid 1st-Mid 2nd
7. Michael Johnson – Georgia Tech – Mid 1st-Mid 2nd
8. Jarron Gilbert – San Jose State – Late 1st-Late 2nd
9. Lawrence Sidbury – Richmond – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
10. Paul Kruger – Utah – Late 2nd-Mid 3rd
11. Kyle Moore – USC – Late 3rd-Early 5th
12. David Veikune – Hawaii – Mid 4th-Late 5th
13. Tim Jamison – Michigan – Late 4th-Late 5th
14. Matt Shaughnessy – Wisconsin – Mid 4th-Early 6th
15. Henry Melton – Texas – Early 5th-Late 6th
16. Zach Potter – Nebraska – Mid 5th-Early 7th
17. Pannel Egboh – Stanford – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
18. Will Davis – Illinois – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
19. Phillip Hunt – Houston – Late 5th-Late 7th
20. Brandon Williams – Texas Tech – Late 5th-Late 7th
21. Stryker Sulak – Missouri – Mid 6th-UDFA
22. Orion Martin – Virginia Tech – Mid 6th-UDFA
23. Michael Bennett – Texas A&M – Late 6th-UDFA
24. Ian Campbell – Kansas State – 7th Round-UDFA
25. William VanDeSteeg – Minnesota – UDFA


Defensive Tackles
1. B.J. Raji – Boston College – Top 10
2. Peria Jerry – Mississippi – Top 25
3. Evander “Ziggy” Hood – Missouri – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
4. Ron Brace – Boston College – Early 2nd-Early 3rd
5. Sen’Derrick Marks – Auburn – Late 2nd-Early 4th
6. Fili Moala – USC – Late 2nd-Early 4th
7. Alex Magee – Purdue – Early 3rd-Early 4th
8. Chris Baker – Hampton – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
9. Terrance Taylor – Michigan – Mid 3rd-Mid 5th
10. Dorrell Scott – Clemson – Late 3rd-Early 5th
11. Corvey Irvin – Georgia – Mid 4th-Late 5th
12. Roy Miller – Texas – Late 4th-Early 6th
13. John Gill – Northwestern – Late 4th-Mid 6th
14. Mitch King – Iowa – Late 4th-Mid 6th
15. Marlon Pryor – Kentucky – Late 4th-Late 6th
16. Clinton McDonald – Memphis – Early 5th-Early 7th
17. Sammie Lee Hill – Stillman – Early 5th-Early 7th
18. Ricky Jean-Francois – LSU – Early 5th-UDFA
19. Khalif Mitchell – East Carolina – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
20. Demonte Bolden – Tennessee – Mid 5th-Late 7th
21. Nader Abdallah – Early 6th-UDFA
22. Everette Pedescleaux – Northern Iowa – Early 6th-UDFA
23. Vance Walker – Georgia Tech – Late 5th-UDFA
24. Daryl Richard – Gerogia Tech – Late 6th-UDFA
25. Terrance Knighton – Temple – Late 6th-UDFA


Outside Linebackers
1. Aaron Curry – Wake Forest – Top 5
2. Brian Cushing – USC – Top 15
3. Clay Matthews – USC – Mid 1st-Early 2nd
4. Connor Barwin – Cincinnati – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
5. Marcus Freeman – Ohio State – Early 2nd-Early 3rd
6. Clint Sintim – Virginia – Early 2nd-Early 3rd
7. Tyrone McKenzie – Late 2nd-Late 3rd
8. Gerald McRath – Southern Mississippi – Third Round (MLB)
9. Cody Brown – Connecticut – Early 3rd-Early 4th
10. Victor Butler – Oregon State – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
11. Kaluka Maiava – USC – Early 4th-Mid 5th
12. Jason Williams – Western Illinois – Mid 4th-Early 6th
13. Jonathan Casillas – Wisconsin – Mid 4th-Early 6th
14. Zack Follett – California – Mid 4th-Early 6th
15. Lee Robinson – Alcorn State – Late 4th-Early 6th
16. Nic Harris – Oklahoma – Early 5th-Late 6th
17. DeAndre Levy – Wisconsin – Early 5th-Early 7th
18. Slade Norris – Oregon State – Mid 5th-Early 7th
19. Nick Reed – Oregon – Late 5th-Mid 7th
20. Robert Francois – Boston College – Late 5th-Mid 7th
21. Moise Fokou – Maryland – Late 5th-UDFA
22. Anthony Felder – California – Early 6th-UDFA
23. Anthony Heygood – Purdue – Early 6th-UDFA
24. Ashlee Palmer – Mississippi – Early 6th-UDFA
25. Joe Mortensen – Kansas – 7th Round-UDFA


Inside Linebackers
1. Rey Maualuga – USC – Top 25
2. James Laurinaitis – Ohio State – Late 1st-Late 2nd
3. Darry Beckwith – LSU – Late 2nd-Early 4th
4. Stanley Arnoux – Wake Forest – Late 3rd-Early 5th
5. Jasper Brinkley – South Carolina – Late 3rd-Mid 5th
6. Josh Mauga – Nevada – Early 4th-Mid 5th
7. Scott McKillop – Pittsburgh – Mid 4th-Early 6th
8. Dannell Ellerbe – Georgia – Late 4th-Mid 6th
9. Jason Phillips – TCU – Early 5th-Late 6th
10. Antonio Appleby – Virginia – Mid 5th-Early 7th
11. Frantz Joseph – Florida Atlantic – Late 5th-Mid 7th
12. Maurice Crum Jr. – Notre Dame – Early 6th-UDFA
13. Worrell Williams – California – Mid 6th-UDFA
14. Mike Rivera – Kansas – 7th Round-UDFA
15. Jamar Chaney – Mississippi State – 7th Round-UDFA


Cornerbacks
1. Malcolm Jenkins – Ohio State – Top 15 (FS)
2. Vontae Davis – Illinois – Top 20
3. Alphonso Smith – Wake Forest – Top 32
4. Sean Smith – Utah – Top 32 (FS)
5. Darius Butler – Connecticut – Late 1st-Early 2nd
6. Coye Francies – San Jose State – Second Round
7. D.J. Moore – Vanderbilt – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
8. Jairus Byrd – Oregon – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
9. Sherrod Martin – Troy – Late 2nd-Early 4th (FS)
10. Bradley Fletcher – Iowa – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
11. Mark Parson – Ohio – Mid 3rd-Early 5th
12. Kevin Barnes – Maryland – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
13. Keenan Lewis – Oregon State – Mid 3rd-Early 5th
14. Cary Harris – USC – Late 3rd-Late 4th
15. Bruce Johnson – Miami – Late 3rd-Late 4th
16. Donald Washington – Ohio State – Mid 3rd-Mid 5th
17. Victor “Macho” Harris – Virginia Tech – Early 4th-Mid 5th
18. Mike Mickens – Cincinnati – Early 4th-Mid 5th
19. Asher Allen – Georgia – Early 4th-Mid 5th
20. Jerraud Powers – Auburn – Mid 4th-Early 6th
21. Captain Munnerlyn – South Carolina – Late 4th-Mid 6th
22. DeAngelo Smith – Cincinnati – Late 4th-Mid 6th (FS)
23. LaDarius Webb – Nicholls State – Early 5th-Late 6th
24. Chris Owens – San Jose State – Early 5th-Early 7th
25. Brandon Underwood – Cincinnati – Early 5th-Early 7th (FS)
26. Joe Burnett – Central Florida – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
27. Ryan Palmer – Texas – Early 6th-UDFA
28. Domonique Johnson – Jackson State – Early 6th-UDFA
29. London Fryar – Western Michigan – Mid 6th-UDFA
30. Ellis Lankster – West Virginia – Mid 6th-UDFA
31. Jahi Word-Daniels – Georgia Tech – Late 6th-UDFA
32. Tony Carter – Florida State – 7th Round-UDFA
33. Brandon Hughes – Oregon State – 7th Round-UDFA
34. Morgan Trent – Michigan – 7th Round-UDFA
35. Wopamo Osaisai – Stanford – 7th Round-UDFA


Safeties
1. Louis Delmas – Western Michigan – Early-Mid 2nd Round
2. Rashad Johnson – Alabama – Second Round
3. William Moore – Missouri – Late 1st-Early 3rd
4. Patrick Chung – Oregon – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
5. Chip Vaughn – Wake Forest – Mid 2nd-Mid 3rd
6. Darcel McBath – Texas Tech – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
7. Michael Hamlin – Clemson – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
8. Curtis Taylor – LSU – Late 3rd-Early 5th
9. David Bruton – Notre Dame – Early 4th-Early 5th
10. Chris Clemons – Clemson – Mid 4th-Early 6th
11. Courtney Greene – Rutgers – Late 4th-Early 6th
12. Stephen Hodge – TCU – Late 4th-Early 6th
13. C.J. Spillman – Marshall – Early 5th-Mid 6th
14. Derek Pegues – Mississippi State – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
15. Emmanuel Cook – South Carolina – Late 5th-UDFA
16. Al Afalava – Oregon State – Late 5th-UDFA
17. Otis Wiley – Michigan State – Early 6th-UDFA
18. Marcus McClinton – Kentucky – Mid 6th-UDFA
19. Trimane Goddard – North Carolina – Mid 6th-UDFA
20. Anthony Reddick – Miami – 7th Round-UDFA


Specialists (Kickers/Punters)
1. Graham Gano – Florida State – Late 5th-Late 7th (K)
2. Thomas Morstead – SMU – Early 6th-UDFA (P)
3. Kevin Huber – Cincinnati – Mid 6th-UDFA (P)
4. David Beuhler – USC – Mid 6th-UDFA (K)
5. Chris Miller – Ball State – Late 6th-UDFA (P)
6. Jose Martinez – UTEP – 7th Round-UDFA (K)
7. Ryan Succop – South Carolina – UDFA
8. Sam Swank – Wake Forest – UDFA


Big Board Top 255

1. Aaron Curry –OLB – Wake Forest
2. Jason Smith – OT – Baylor
3. Matthew Stafford – QB – Georgia
4. B.J. Raji – DT – Boston College
5. Eugene Monroe – OT – Virginia
6. Jeremy Maclin – WR – Missouri
7. Michael Crabtree – WR – Texas Tech
8. Mark Sanchez – QB – USC
9. Brian Orakpo – DE/OLB - Texas
10. Chris “Beanie” Wells – RB – Ohio State
11. Andre Smith – OT – Alabama
12. Malcolm Jenkins – CB/FS – Ohio State
13. Michael Oher – OT - Mississippi
14. Everette Brown – DE/OLB – Florida State
15. Darrius Heyward-Bey – WR – Maryland
16. Brian Cushing – OLB – USC
17. Vontae Davis – CB – Illinois
18. Aaron Maybin – OLB/DE – Penn State
19. Knowshon Moreno – RB – Georgia
20. Brandon Pettigrew – TE – Oklahoma State
21. Peria Jerry – DT – Mississippi
22. Rey Maualuga – ILB - USC
23. Percy Harvin – WR/ATH – Florida
24. Josh Freeman – QB – Kansas State
25. Larry English – DE/OLB – Northern Illinois
26. Hakeem Nicks – WR – North Carolina
27. Clay Matthews – OLB – USC
28. Alphonso Smith – CB – Wake Forest
29. Tyson Jackson – DE – LSU
30. Sean Smith – CB/FS – Utah
31. Robert Ayers – DE – Tennessee
32. Kenny Britt – WR – Rutgers
33. LeSean McCoy – RB – Pittsburgh
34. Alex Mack – C – California
35. Darius Butler – CB – Connecticut
36. James Laurinaitis – LB – Ohio State
37. Michael Johnson – DE – Georgia Tech
38. William Beatty – OT - Connecticut
39. Jarron Gilbert – DE/DT – San Jose State
40. Evander “Ziggy” Hood – DT – Missouri
41. Connor Barwin – OLB/DE – Cincinnati
42. Jared Cook – TE – South Carolina
43. Donald Brown – RB – Connecticut
44. Eben Britton – OT – Arizona
45. Eric Wood – C – Louisville
46. Louis Delmas – S – Western Michigan
47. Max Unger – C – Oregon
48. Ron Brace – DT – Boston College
49. Rashad Johnson – S - Alabama
50. Coye Francies – CB – San Jose State
51. D.J. Moore – CB – Vanderbilt
52. William Moore – S – Missouri
53. Brian Robiskie – WR – Ohio State
54. Jairus Byrd – CB - Oregon
55. Patrick Chung – S - Oregon
56. Marcus Freeman – OLB – Ohio State
57. Jamon Meredith – OT – South Carolina
58. Clint Sintim – OLB – Virginia
59. Phil Loadholt – OT - Oklahoma
60. Pat White – QB/WR – West Virginia
61. Duke Robinson – OG – Oklahoma
62. Lawrence Sidbury – DE/OLB – Richmond
63. Chip Vaughn – S – Wake Forest
64. Sherrod Martin – CB/FS - Troy
65. Shawn Nelson – TE – Southern Mississippi
66. Andre Brown – RB – North Carolina State
67. Paul Kruger – DE – Utah
68. Tyrone McKenzie – OLB – South Florida
69. Sen’Derrick Marks – DT – Auburn
70. Chase Coffman – TE - Missouri
71. Darry Beckwith – ILB – LSU
72. Rashad Johnson – RB – Liberty
73. Fili Moala – DT – USC
74. Juaquin Iglesias – WR – Oklahoma
75. Gerald McRath – LB – Southern Mississippi
76. Shonn Greene – RB – Iowa
77. Cody Brown – OLB - Connecitcut
78. Alex Magee – DT - Purdue
79. Antoine Caldwell – C - Alabama
80. Gerald Cadogan – OT – Penn State
81. Troy Kropog – OT – Tulane
82. Mike Goodson – RB – Texas A&M
83. Andy Levitre – OG/C – Oregon State
84. Cornelius Ingram – TE – Florida
85. James Casey – TE/H-B - Rice
86. T.J. Lang – OT/OG – Eastern Michigan
87. Bradley Fletcher – CB – Iowa
88. Cornelius Lewis – OG/OT – Tennessee State
89. Victor Butler – OLB – Oregon State
90. Ramses Barden – WR – Cal-Poly
91. Devin Moore – RB – Wyoming
92. Darcel McBath – S – Texas Tech
93. Michael Hamlin – S - Clemson
94. Mohamed Massaquoi – WR – Georgia
95. Chris Baker – DT - Hampton
96. Mark Parson – CB – Ohio
97. Jason Watkins – OT – Florida
98. Brandon Tate – WR – North Carolina
99. Kevin Barnes – CB – Maryland
100. Louis Murphy – WR – Florida
101. Terrance Taylor – DT – Michigan
102. Bernard Scott – RB – Abilene Christian
103. Keenan Lewis – CB – Oregon State
104. Trevor Canfield – OG - Cincinnati
105. Jarrett Dillard – WR – Rice
106. Rhett Bomar – QB – Sam Houston State
107. Dorrell Scott – DT – Clemson
108. Cary Harris – CB – USC
109. Kory Sheets – RB – Purdue
110. Derrick Williams – RS/WR – Penn State
111. Stanley Arnoux – MLB – Wake Forest
112. Kyle Moore – DE – USC
113. Travis Beckum – TE/H-B – Wisconsin
114. Curtis Taylor – S - LSU
115. Javon Ringer – RB – Michigan State
116. Bruce Johnson – CB – Miami
117. Donald Washington – CB – Ohio State
118. Kraig Urbik – OG – Wisconsin
119. Jasper Brinkley – ILB – South Carolina
120. Victor “Macho” Harris – CB/FS – Virginia Tech
121. Fenuki Tupou – OT/OG – Oregon
122. James Davis – RB - Clemson
123. Cameron Morrah – TE – California
124. Mike Mickens – CB – Cincinnati
125. Stephen McGee – QB – Texas A&M
126. Asher Allen – CB – Georgia
127. Cedric Peerman – RB – Virginia
128. David Bruton – S – Notre Dame
129. Quinn Johnson – FB – LSU
130. Tony Fiammetta – FB - Georgia
131. Jonathan Luigs – C – Arkansas
132. Kenny McKinley – WR – South Carolina
133. Jerraud Powers – CB – Auburn
134. Josh Mauga – ILB - Nevada
135. Kaluka Maiava – OLB - USC
136. Xavier Fulton – OT/OG – Illinois
137. Jason Williams – OLB – Western Illinois
138. David Veikune – DE - Hawaii
139. Nate Davis – QB – Ball State
140. Demetrius Byrd – WR – LSU
141. Austin Collie – WR - BYU
142. Corvey Irvin – DT – Georgia
143. John Phillips – TE - Virginia
144. Jonathan Casillas – OLB – Wisconsin
145. Brannan Southerland – FB – Georgia
146. Glen Coffee – RB - Alabama
147. Scott McKillop – ILB – Pittsburgh
148. Chris Clemons – S – Clemson
149. Tim Jamison – DE – Michigan
150. Roger Allen – OG – Missouri Western State
151. Richard Quinn – TE – North Carolina
152. Captain Munnerlyn – CB – South Carolina
153. Dannell Ellerbe – MLB – Georgia
154. Zack Follett – LB – California
155. DeAngelo Smith – CB/FS - Cincinnati
156. Mike Thomas – WR – Arizona
157. A.Q. Shipley – C – Penn State
158. Roy Miller – DT – Texas
159. Courtney Greene – S - Rutgers
160. Matt Shaughnessy – DE – Wisconsin
161. Lee Robinson – OLB – Alcorn State
162. John Gill – DT - Northwestern
163. Stephen Hodge – S – TCU
164. Jason Phillips – ILB – TCU
165. Johnny Knox – WR – Abilene Christian
166. Mitch King – DT/ILB – Iowa
167. Marlon Pryor – DT - Kentucky
168. Herman Johnson – OG/OT – LSU
169. Kory Sperry – TE – Colorado State
170. LaDarrius Webb – CB – Nicholls State
171. Nic Harris – OLB/S – Oklahoma
172. Chris Owens – CB – San Jose State
173. Sammie Stroughter – WR – Oregon State
174. Henry Melton – DE - Texas
175. Curtis Painter – QB – Purdue
176. C.J. Spillman – S – Marshall
177. Ian Johnson – RB – Boise State
178. Mike Wallace – WR/RS – Mississippi
179. Jeremiah Johnson – RB – Oregon
180. Hunter Cantwell – QB – Louisville
181. Clinton McDonald – DT – Memphis
182. DeAndre Levy – OLB – Wisconsin
183. Brandon Underwood – CB/FS – Cincinnati
184. Deon Butler – WR – Penn State
185. Sammie Lee Hill – DT - Stillman
186. Blake Schleuter – C – TCU
187. Derek Pegues – S – Mississippi State
188. Joel Bell – OT – Furman
189. Zach Potter – DE – Nebraska
190. Javarris Williams – RB – Tennessee State
191. Louis Vasquez – OG – Texas Tech
192. Andrew Gardner – OT – Georgia Tech
193. Slade Norris – OLB – Oregon State
194. Marko Mitchell – WR – Nevada
195. Antonio Appleby – ILB – Virginia
196. Brandon Gibson – WR – Washington State
197. Nick Reed – OLB - Oregon
198. Ricky Jean-Francois – DT – LSU
199. Kevin Ogletree – WR – Virginia
200. John Parker Wilson – QB - Alabama
201. Pannel Egboh – DE – Stanford
202. Will Davis – DE - Illinois
203. Lydon Murtha – OT - Nebraska
204. Joe Burnett – CB – Central Florida
205. Khalif Mitchell – DT/DE – East Carolina
206. Augustus Parrish – OT/OG – Kent State
207. Demonte Bolden – DT - Tennessee
208. Aaron Kelly – WR – Clemson
209. Jason Boltus – QB – Hartwick
210. Davon Drew – TE – East Carolina
211. Emmanuel Cook – S – South Carolina
212. Robert Francois – OLB – Boston College
213. Jon Cooper – C – Oklahoma
214. Frantz Joseph – ILB – Florida Atlantic
215. Jared Bronson – TE – Central Washington
216. Ryan Palmer – CB - Texas
217. Phillip Hunt – DE – Houston
218. Brandon Williams – DE – Texas Tech
219. Tiquan Underwood – WR - Rutgers
220. Darius Hill – TE – Ball State
221. Bear Pascoe – TE – Fresno State
222. Cullen Harper – QB – Clemson
223. Anthony Hill – TE – North Carolina State
224. Brock Bolen – FB - Louisville
225. Edwin Williams – C – Maryland
226. Graham Gano – K – Florida State
227. Moise Fokou – OLB – Maryland
228. Zach Miller – TE – Nebraska-Omaha
229. Domonique Edison – WR – Stephen F. Austin
230. Tyronne Greene – OG – Auburn
231. Al Afalava – S – Oregon State
232. Alex Fletcher – C – Stanford
233. Maurice Crum Jr. – MLB – Notre Dame
234. Domonique Johnson – CB – Jackson State
235. Otis Wiley – S – Michigan State
236. Anthony Felder – OLB - California
237. Mike Reilly – QB – Central Washington
238. Tom Brandstater – QB – Fresno State
239. London Fryar – CB – Western Michigan
240. Anthony Heyood – OLB - Purdue
241. C.J. Davis – OG – Pittsburgh
242. Ashlee Palmer – OLB - Mississippi
243. Marlon Lucky – RB – Wisconsin
244. Ellis Lankster – CB – West Virginia
245. Nader Abdallah – DT – Ohio State
246. Everette Pedescleuax – DT – Northern Iowa
247. Marcus McClinton – S – Kentucky
248. Vance Walker – DT – Georgia Tech
249. Quan Cosby – WR – Texas
250. Eddie Williams – FB – Idaho
251. Arian Foster – RB – Tennessee
252. Darius Passmore – WR – Marshall
253. Juan Garcia – C – Washington
254. Stryker Sulak – DE/OLB – Missouri
255. Jason Cook – FB - Mississippi

jnew76
03-15-2009, 07:20 AM
Excellent work. I agree for the most part on where you have everyone slotted. Where I do disagree, it is not by much. Great overall board and rankings.

ToldLikeItIs
03-15-2009, 08:42 AM
Seth Olsen is too low on your board for guards, and Rob Bruggeman should make it for centers. Otherwise, I'm a big fan.

ThePudge
03-15-2009, 12:22 PM
Seth Olsen is too low on your board for guards, and Rob Bruggeman should make it for centers. Otherwise, I'm a big fan.

This Guard class is weak, so Olsen may go higher than he should. Still, you have to question if his feet and hands are quick enough to handle quicker interior linemen at the next level. I also wouldn't call Olsen a road-grader by any means and it's possible that he will be overpowered at the next level. That being said, I see him as a depth guy and a pretty good one. He really doesn't stand out in any way, but is a solid lineman who should make a nice backup and spot-player at either Guard position.

Also, I kept the list at Centers at 12. I don't feel Bruggeman is better than any of the 12, nor do I feel he has a better shot to be drafted than those guys. I am not down on the guy, I simply think he is an UDFA. He'd likely hug the end of a Top 15 for Centers.

Matthew Jones
03-15-2009, 12:48 PM
CB Keenan Lewis (6-0 3/4, 191 pounds) came in 17 pounds less than what he weighed at the combine. He told people that he weighed so much more at the combine because he was given creatine at his workouts to his increase his weight. His playing weight is about 194. He ran a 4.49 and 4.51 in the 40, had a 38 1/2-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot, 10-inch broad jump, a 4.42 short short, a 6.89 three-cone drill and has 20 bench press reps.

At quarterback, I don't see how Josh Freeman isn't a first-round pick, especially due to the fact that after him, I don't see another quarterback who looks like a pretty good starting option. I have Curtis Painter in my top-5 with Pat White, but after those two, maybe McGee, and Nate Davis, I'm not sure any of the other ones will or should even be drafted. Not a Rhett Bomar fan at all - getting dismissed from Oklahoma and terrible accuracy even at a low level of competition would keep him off my team.

I personally think Donald Brown is much better than McCoy, but I'm a Connecticut fan as well. I'd have Brown as the same grade you do, and then McCoy as a second rounder. Brown is a better inside runner and McCoy has well-documented fumbling issues. That's one thing I can't really tolerate at the running back position. The rest of the rankings look okay, but I think PJ Hill definitely deserves to be drafted after losing a bunch of weight and running well.

Crabtree is absolutely the #1 wide receiver in this draft if you ask me, and besides Al Davis, I think most teams would agree with that. We've already discussed this though. Darrius Heyward-Bey doesn't have the hands to be a top-20 pick, he's kind of in the same boat as Troy Williamson where he'll probably go over guys who had much more substantial production in college because he can slip into some spandex and run 40 yards on a track a tenth of a second or two faster than them. I might have Britt at #3 in my next rankings. Ogletree is overranked, and you know my thoughts on Derrick Williams. I think Louis Murphy is a bum.

I'm not really a big fan of Pettigrew in the first, or any tight end for that matter. He's hardly a complete package, but I'd probably take James Casey if I had to. I think you have him and Beckum about a round too low each. Beckum has looked outstanding in all categories (40, bench, size, etc.) since the season ended. Remember, he was supposed to be a first/second kind of guy before getting injured. Casey can play damn near every position in the field and had ridiculous production, even surpassing Jarrett Dillard on the same team.

The list of offensive tackles actually looks okay. You're missing Phil Trautwein, and I think Meredith is too high. Jason Watkins was actually outplayed by Trautwein at Florida and he got embarassed in some of the matchups during Senior Bowl practices. Rylan Reed injured his knee but had previously put up 41 reps on the bench at Texas Tech's Pro Day, so I think he could definitely go higher than you think (round 4-5.) If I remember correctly, he had allowed only one sack last year.

From the guards and centers, I think Duke will definitely go in the second round, and I'd move Herman Johnson up too. Seth Olsen should also be drafted because of what he did this year run blocking for Shonn Greene. I think Antoine Caldwell and Jonatahn Luigs should each be a half-round or so higher, both are outstanding.

Interesting that you have Maybin so high. I wouldn't take him in the first round regardless of who was left, and I think English, Tyson, and Gilbert all rank higher than him, although i think Gilbert also has a lot of value at defensive tackle. Michael Johnson ahead of Gilbert/Sidbury/Kruger doesn't fly with me either, I don't see much from him to suggest that he's worth one of those picks, although I agree he could be a first-rounder.

I'd tweak the defensive tackle rankings. I'm in the minority, but I think Ziggy Hood is absolutely a better 4-3 defensive tackle than Peria Jerry the more I see of him, and I have questions about Jerry's durability and age. Five years from now, Jerry will already be in his 30s. Marks is overrated and didn't put up impressive workout numbers either, I'd drop him to around #8 or so. Ron Brace could be picked in the first and definitely won't slide to the third because you need a nose tackle in a 3-4 and after him and Raji, the dropoff is severe.

I think you have Clint Sintim ranked way too low. That guy's practically the perfect 3-4 outside linebacker prospect since he has the ideal size and speed, and has played in the defense with a great coach for a while en route to a very successful season. I wouldn't try and make a projection with Barwin, a college end, if I knew there was already someone with years of system experience available in Sintim. I don't think Cushing is worth a top-15, either, and I would consider Clay Matthews over him, although it's a close call. Anyone who takes Jasper Brinkley in the third is getting a bust, and Arnoux is only ranked highly due to a 40 yard dash and playing next to Curry.

My top ten corners in no specific order would be Davis, Alphonso and Sean Smith, Butler, Francies, Moore, Byrd, Donald Washington, Macho, and Kevin Barnes. I project Jenkins to free safety in the NFL. Washington, Macho, and Mickens are ranked too low in my opinion. Macho and Mickens produced very well in college and show dangerous ability with the ball in their hands, and Washington may get sniffs in the 30-40 range (per Kiper) because of his elite physical tools. He has an absolutely ridiculous vertical.

CashmoneyDrew
03-15-2009, 01:10 PM
Why so low on D.J. Moore?

fenikz
03-15-2009, 01:30 PM
I still take Phillips over every ILB on that list besides the top 2, his knee injury was minor and may only take a couple weeks to fully heal

TR1982
03-15-2009, 02:30 PM
DJ Boldin from Wake Forest is definitely a Top 35 WR

ThePudge
03-15-2009, 03:02 PM
CB Keenan Lewis (6-0 3/4, 191 pounds) came in 17 pounds less than what he weighed at the combine. He told people that he weighed so much more at the combine because he was given creatine at his workouts to his increase his weight. His playing weight is about 194. He ran a 4.49 and 4.51 in the 40, had a 38 1/2-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot, 10-inch broad jump, a 4.42 short short, a 6.89 three-cone drill and has 20 bench press reps.

- I am aware and I like Lewis as a player. Saw the recent Pro Day results and they are all very good except for perhaps the short shuttle. He is underrated and could go higher than I pegged him here. Still, I don't see him going much earlier than the Mid 3rd.

At quarterback, I don't see how Josh Freeman isn't a first-round pick, especially due to the fact that after him, I don't see another quarterback who looks like a pretty good starting option. I have Curtis Painter in my top-5 with Pat White, but after those two, maybe McGee, and Nate Davis, I'm not sure any of the other ones will or should even be drafted. Not a Rhett Bomar fan at all - getting dismissed from Oklahoma and terrible accuracy even at a low level of competition would keep him off my team.

- Freeman is a first round value, sitting at 24 on my Big Board. Still, I believe there is a slight chance he falls into the Early 2nd Round to a team such as St. Louis or Seattle.

- You've read the scout interview article as you've brought it up in conversation with me, citing that it says that Vontae Davis gets it now. Either the sentence before or after says the same thing about Rhett Bomar, saying he seems to really have pieced himself together mentally and he has not had any recent trouble. He's not overly accurate just yet but is athletic, has a big arm, a nice build, he's a vocal leader, and has the mechanics you look for. His accuracy is nothing I would call terrible, as it wasn't under 55% and his TD-INT ratio was fine, though it needs work. Now, I don't like him as a starter, but I do think he is one of the very few QB's in this draft with starter potential and should make a fine backup at the worst. I would say he is a rich-man's J.T. O'Sullivan as he has a very similar skill set, through he seems to have much more awareness and less of a tendency for turnovers.

I personally think Donald Brown is much better than McCoy, but I'm a Connecticut fan as well. I'd have Brown as the same grade you do, and then McCoy as a second rounder. Brown is a better inside runner and McCoy has well-documented fumbling issues. That's one thing I can't really tolerate at the running back position. The rest of the rankings look okay, but I think PJ Hill definitely deserves to be drafted after losing a bunch of weight and running well.

- McCoy is a player with immense talent, a former 5-Star recruit. He's injury-prone but for a speedier back runs willingly and tough between the tackles. He can hit the home-run though. Not as reliable as Brown and that's one main positional battle (#3 RB). They are close, McCoy got my close edge due to upside. I have each graded in the Early 2nd.

- Not sold that 218 will ever be P.J. Hill's playing weight and I feel if he's being forced to stay at that weight he is going to really struggle to please his coaches. 4.63-4.65 is surprising for Hill, but he doesn't play at that weight and doesn't play with that speed. Should be a fine pickup for someone as an UDFA.

Crabtree is absolutely the #1 wide receiver in this draft if you ask me, and besides Al Davis, I think most teams would agree with that. We've already discussed this though. Darrius Heyward-Bey doesn't have the hands to be a top-20 pick, he's kind of in the same boat as Troy Williamson where he'll probably go over guys who had much more substantial production in college because he can slip into some spandex and run 40 yards on a track a tenth of a second or two faster than them. I might have Britt at #3 in my next rankings. Ogletree is overranked, and you know my thoughts on Derrick Williams. I think Louis Murphy is a bum.

- Personally, I like Maclin more as an NFL prospect and I've explained that time and time again. Since Michael Crabtree's only postseason news has been a stress fracture in his foot, I'm not sure how he's going to jump Maclin in my rankings barring a knee injury. That said, I think Crabtree will go earlier as evidenced in my positional rankings. I simply feel Maclin is the better NFL prospect.

- Heyward-Bey caught everything thrown his way and ran excellent routes at his recent pro day in which he was actually applauded. It was by all accounts a world class performance. He is drawing all kinds of interest and all kinds of buzz right now after a terrific Pro Day and Combine. He may not officially deserve it, but he is a Top 10 possibility with the Raiders and Jaguars at 7 & 8 being the two possibilities.

- Louis Murphy has both size & speed and will be overdrafted like many others based on physical talent primarily. He was a big-play threat in college with a career ypc over 16. He has the upside and could go earlier than the Early 4th grade (100) I have on him right now.

I'm not really a big fan of Pettigrew in the first, or any tight end for that matter. He's hardly a complete package, but I'd probably take James Casey if I had to. I think you have him and Beckum about a round too low each. Beckum has looked outstanding in all categories (40, bench, size, etc.) since the season ended. Remember, he was supposed to be a first/second kind of guy before getting injured. Casey can play damn near every position in the field and had ridiculous production, even surpassing Jarrett Dillard on the same team.

- If I'm a team, I'm thinking where am I going to fit Casey and Beckum in? Neither is by any means a traditional Tight End and neither is a Fullback. They are each more H-B's, which is hardly common practice in NFL systems. I factored that into their draft stock. I never considered Beckum a first-second round guy because I always questioned his position. I love Casey and I think he could be the next Chris Cooley, but he is no standard TE or FB as I said.

- You're against first round Tight Ends due to the fact that in the past seven years the Patriots have taken two there (Daniel Graham and Ben Watson) and neither have worked out. Pettigrew is the best blocker at Tight End we've seen in quite some time and has the size, route running, strength, and hands to be a better receiver at the pro level than the college level (where he was underused.) He is more athletic than he receives credit for despite his very average 40 time.

The list of offensive tackles actually looks okay. You're missing Phil Trautwein, and I think Meredith is too high. Jason Watkins was actually outplayed by Trautwein at Florida and he got embarassed in some of the matchups during Senior Bowl practices. Rylan Reed injured his knee but had previously put up 41 reps on the bench at Texas Tech's Pro Day, so I think he could definitely go higher than you think (round 4-5.) If I remember correctly, he had allowed only one sack last year.

- Rylan Reed was putting on a show and has plenty of physical capability. Still, he is 28. He is already supposed to be in his prime, not entering the NFL. The last thing he needed was a serious knee injury. Prior to that injury, if he had finished his good workout, I may be more likely to agree with you. I think he still has a small chance at being drafted, but I think it is far more likely he will be picked up as an UDFA.

- Jamon Meredith was a solid college player that has had a great post-season through the East-West Shrine Game and Combine. He is athletic enough and strong enough to project at one of four OL positions (LT/LG/RT/RG). I think he will be overdrafted. I have him at 57, a Late-2nd Round value, but could easily go far higher. Likewise, Jason Watkins surprised some at the Senior Bowl after an underachieving college career, and could be overdrafted based on his triangle numbers and upside. I have him 97 on my Big Board, which may be a tad bit high.

From the guards and centers, I think Duke will definitely go in the second round, and I'd move Herman Johnson up too. Seth Olsen should also be drafted because of what he did this year run blocking for Shonn Greene. I think Antoine Caldwell and Jonatahn Luigs should each be a half-round or so higher, both are outstanding.

- Luigs was a very good college Center but I'm not sold on his core strength, ability to anchor, and just don't see any way he's going to overpower NFL DTs. I can see him developing into a solid pro Center, but he needs to add strength, muscle mass, and learn to play more physically. I'm not all too high on Herman Johnson who made a fool of himself against competition in the Senior Bowl and has clear weight problems. The man's playing weight is in the 380s, he showed up to the Senior Bowl like that, and was absolutely abused. Olsen should be a nice backup Guard, but really has no standout qualities. His overall foot and hand quickness will likely keep him from every becoming a starter.

Interesting that you have Maybin so high. I wouldn't take him in the first round regardless of who was left, and I think English, Tyson, and Gilbert all rank higher than him, although i think Gilbert also has a lot of value at defensive tackle. Michael Johnson ahead of Gilbert/Sidbury/Kruger doesn't fly with me either, I don't see much from him to suggest that he's worth one of those picks, although I agree he could be a first-rounder.

- I think you underrate Maybin's natural athleticism, instincts, and what may be the quickest first step in the class. I think, due to his upside, he is a Top 20-25 value, though it is certainly possible he slips into the early second. Out of the top three Defensive Ends, he has the furthest to go physically and mentally, though I would consider him the most natural fit at Outside Linebacker out of the three despite his 40 time. He is a fluid athlete, has tremendous pass-rush ability, he is just a bit raw. Definitely a guy I'd plan on sitting for a year.

- Johnson remains 6'7 266 and capable of running in the very low 4.6s. He has done everything he needed to in order to raise his stock through the Combine and his Pro Day and is generating quite a buzz. Visits have been confirmed with Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and even Washington (who holds only the 13th Pick on the first day.) Those who argue Michael Johnson is unproductive simply set their standards far too high this year as he still recorded 7.0 Sacks 17.5 TFL 7 PD in the ACC in his first year as a full-time starter. Development is needed, he needs to add stamina in game, but he could come in immediately as a 3rd Down pass-rushing specialist and has star potential. I think he is more likely to be drafted in the draft's top round than Gilbert (very slight), Sidbury, and Kruger.


I'd tweak the defensive tackle rankings. I'm in the minority, but I think Ziggy Hood is absolutely a better 4-3 defensive tackle than Peria Jerry the more I see of him, and I have questions about Jerry's durability and age. Five years from now, Jerry will already be in his 30s. Marks is overrated and didn't put up impressive workout numbers either, I'd drop him to around #8 or so. Ron Brace could be picked in the first and definitely won't slide to the third because you need a nose tackle in a 3-4 and after him and Raji, the dropoff is severe.

- Peria Jerry does it consistently on the field, Hood disappears for stretches at a time. I know who works out better, but here, once again, I care more about what is done on the field. Hood is quick, has nice technique, is a penetrator, has a hell of a spin move, has a nice motor, but he is not overly strong, powerful, he's not a master of leverage, is a bit inconsistent and can be nullified for long stretches at a time, and will not fit in some schemes. Hood had quite a solid Senior season very good Senior Bowl, though it does not really match up to Peria Jerry's in either regard. Jerry is compact, strong, quick, athletic, is excellent in getting leverage, and has really made the most out of both his Senior season and pre-draft events (Senior Bowl & Combine.) Despite age, if I were building a team out of scratch I'd take Jerry over Hood.

I think you have Clint Sintim ranked way too low. That guy's practically the perfect 3-4 outside linebacker prospect since he has the ideal size and speed, and has played in the defense with a great coach for a while en route to a very successful season. I wouldn't try and make a projection with Barwin, a college end, if I knew there was already someone with years of system experience available in Sintim. I don't think Cushing is worth a top-15, either, and I would consider Clay Matthews over him, although it's a close call. Anyone who takes Jasper Brinkley in the third is getting a bust, and Arnoux is only ranked highly due to a 40 yard dash and playing next to Curry.

- The thing is, I see Clint Sintim purely as a 3-4 OLB prospect. As a 3-4 OLB, he's a likely Early-Mid 2nd Round value, but in a traditional 4-3 at SLB, he's more of an Early 3rd Round guy. He is very similar to former UVA standout Darryl Blackstock. Sintim just isn't overly fast or quick in space and is not exactly a standout in coverage. A hell of a pass-rusher though. He looks the part, but I think has become very overrated and his talents exaggerated. I know a current UVA player and another UVA alum that have both told me, separately, Sintim is without a doubt, not a first round value.

- I am going to go ahead and make that projection for Barwin. I see him as a 3-4 Oustide Linebacker or a Strong-side Linebacker in a 4-3 scheme. He is certainly athletic enough to make either move and has responded very well to coaching at all levels. He is a bit undersized, not polished enough as a pass-rusher, and not overly strong for the Defensive End spot. I think he is more than likely drafted to play Linebacker whether in the 3-4 or 4-3.

- I honestly just don't see Brian Cushing getting past Green Bay (9), Denver (12), Washington (13), New Orleans (14), and Houston (15) on draft day. That round projection is where I think the player will go factoring in the teams in the area. Take a look at the Big Board for pure value. Cushing happens to be at 16 there.

- Arnoux strikes me as one of the few true 4-3 MLB prospects and has the tools and range to be successful eventually. I like Arnoux, who had a very good overall workout in Indianapolis, as a backup/special teams player immediately right away and eventually perhaps as a starter with the right situation. His natural athleticism definitely helps him of course, so does his character and intelligence. He has been fairly productive on a very talented Wake defense and has upside and a nice work ethic.

- Brinkley should make a fine thumper in a 3-4 scheme. If he could get back to his prior form, he is a much higher value than 119 (the Mid-4th grade I slapped on him.) His Combine workout turned some heads considering most here were expecting a 4.8-4.9 especially after the injuries. A boom-or-bust guy.

My top ten corners in no specific order would be Davis, Alphonso and Sean Smith, Butler, Francies, Moore, Byrd, Donald Washington, Macho, and Kevin Barnes. I project Jenkins to free safety in the NFL. Washington, Macho, and Mickens are ranked too low in my opinion. Macho and Mickens produced very well in college and show dangerous ability with the ball in their hands, and Washington may get sniffs in the 30-40 range (per Kiper) because of his elite physical tools. He has an absolutely ridiculous vertical.

- I know you love the workout wonder types, but the truth is Donald Washington really wasn't even a steady starter at Ohio State. Washington was ok, but young Chimdi Chekwa was the better corner. His physical tools are going to allow him to go higher than he should as he should be a late-round guy. I am aware Kiper jumped all over his workout numbers, and I agree his stock is clearly on the rise, but Top 30-40 is nothing short of idiotic. Harris and Mickens both have the college stud, pro #3 look.

-Funny that Malcolm Jenkins is not fast enough for a Cornerback spot at 4.55 while Macho Harris is at 4.61.

-Barnes has exceptional physical tools and is a solid player on the field, but my opinion on him remains rather standard and cautious. I do worry about his durability and consider him a bit of an underachiever. For now, I'll stand pat on my grade with Barnes, but I think a team could take a chance on him sooner rather than later.

ThePudge
03-15-2009, 03:07 PM
I still take Phillips over every ILB on that list besides the top 2, his knee injury was minor and may only take a couple weeks to fully heal

I was not overly high on Phillips as it is, so the low ranking really isn't too indicative of that injury that maybe held him back half a round in my rankings. I never found his play to be overly explosive, or all too instinctive. He is an intense, physical player, that has some range, but to me fits better as a 3-4 ILB. I see him as a 5th Round pick, but he could of course go higher.

Matthew Jones
03-15-2009, 03:27 PM
- You've read the scout interview article as you've brought it up in conversation with me, citing that it says that Vontae Davis gets it now. Either the sentence before or after says the same thing about Rhett Bomar, saying he seems to really have pieced himself together mentally and he has not had any recent trouble. He's not overly accurate just yet but is athletic, has a big arm, a nice build, he's a vocal leader, and has the mechanics you look for. His accuracy is nothing I would call terrible, as it wasn't under 55% and his TD-INT ratio was fine, though it needs work. Now, I don't like him as a starter, but I do think he is one of the very few QB's in this draft with starter potential and should make a fine backup at the worst. I would say he is a rich-man's J.T. O'Sullivan as he has a very similar skill set, through he seems to have much more awareness and less of a tendency for turnovers.

I just don't see Rhett Bomar as a starter at all. He wasn't really dominant in college and if those statistics were his at Oklahoma last year rather than Sam Houston State, I'd still be wary of drafting him.

Not sold that 218 will ever be P.J. Hill's playing weight and I feel if he's being forced to stay at that weight he is going to really struggle to please his coaches. 4.63-4.65 is surprising for Hill, but he doesn't play at that weight and doesn't play with that speed. Should be a fine pickup for someone as an UDFA.

I think he was too productive and too impressive at the Pro Day to be undrafted. It's possible, but I'd rank him in the 6th-7th.

Heyward-Bey caught everything thrown his way and ran excellent routes at his recent pro day in which he was actually applauded. It was by all accounts a world class performance. He is drawing all kinds of interest and all kinds of buzz right now after a terrific Pro Day and Combine. He may not officially deserve it, but he is a Top 10 possibility with the Raiders and Jaguars at 7 & 8 being the two possibilities.

I have heard good things about his Pro Day as well, but I'd be wary of someone who has the Troy Williamson syndrome ("Where the hell did this guy come from? He didn't do much in college." "Trust me, he's got great hands and speed though! You want him in the top ten!")

Louis Murphy has both size & speed and will be overdrafted like many others based on physical talent primarily. He was a big-play threat in college with a career ypc over 16. He has the upside and could go earlier than the Early 4th grade (100) I have on him right now.

Even in that spread offense he wasn't terribly productive though and I think he'll have trouble outproducing what he did in college in the NFL, especially since there are some concerns about his work ethic, etc. He's a fifth for me.

If I'm a team, I'm thinking where am I going to fit Casey and Beckum in? Neither is by any means a traditional Tight End and neither is a Fullback. They are each more H-B's, which is hardly common practice in NFL systems. I factored that into their draft stock. I never considered Beckum a first-second round guy because I always questioned his position. I love Casey and I think he could be the next Chris Cooley, but he is no standard TE or FB as I said.

Sadly, I agree, because unfortunately, NFL coaches are terribly boring, rarely going outside of what has already been established. It may be asking too much for most of them to think outside the box. A team with a creative coaching staff could get some real production out of these guys though.

You're against first round Tight Ends due to the fact that in the past seven years the Patriots have taken two there (Daniel Graham and Ben Watson) and neither have worked out. Pettigrew is the best blocker at Tight End we've seen in quite some time and has the size, route running, strength, and hands to be a better receiver at the pro level than the college level (where he was underused.) He is more athletic than he receives credit for despite his very average 40 time.

Not really that - I rank tight ends as first-round talents fairly regularly, but I just don't see Brandon Pettigrew (or any other tight end) as being worth one. I'd look for solid blocking and some playmaking ability. No one is going to accuse Brandon Pettigrew of making deep catches or anything like previous tight ends I've ranked highly (Kellen Winslow, Vernon Davis, etc.) He's in the Daniel Graham class.

I think you underrate Maybin's natural athleticism, instincts, and what may be the quickest first step in the class. I think, due to his upside, he is a Top 20-25 value, though it is certainly possible he slips into the early second. Out of the top three Defensive Ends, he has the furthest to go physically and mentally, though I would consider him the most natural fit at Outside Linebacker out of the three despite his 40 time. He is a fluid athlete, has tremendous pass-rush ability, he is just a bit raw. Definitely a guy I'd plan on sitting for a year.

He has a first step, but is horribly underdeveloped both in football knowledge and in size and may not be able to retain that step if he goes around 250-260, which teams want. After gaining weight, he looked terrible at the Combine a la Clarett. He also has virtually no pass rush moves, he just speed rushes literally every play and offers absolutely nothing vs. the run.

Johnson remains 6'7 266 and capable of running in the very low 4.6s. He has done everything he needed to in order to raise his stock through the Combine and his Pro Day and is generating quite a buzz. Visits have been confirmed with Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and even Washington (who holds only the 13th Pick on the first day.) Those who argue Michael Johnson is unproductive simply set their standards far too high this year as he still recorded 7.0 Sacks 17.5 TFL 7 PD in the ACC in his first year as a full-time starter. Development is needed, he needs to add stamina in game, but he could come in immediately as a 3rd Down pass-rushing specialist and has star potential. I think he is more likely to be drafted in the draft's top round than Gilbert (very slight), Sidbury, and Kruger.

Washington is likely looking at Johnson as a trade-down option. Also, those statistics are misleading as they only suggest he made 20-25 good plays this season. It seemed like first and second down were "rest" downs for him from what I watched, and he really only gave a good effort on obvious passing downs. He is more likely to be drafted in the first, agreed, but I doubt he's more likely to succeed.

Peria Jerry does it consistently on the field, Hood disappears for stretches at a time. I know who works out better, but here, once again, I care more about what is done on the field. Hood is quick, has nice technique, is a penetrator, has a hell of a spin move, has a nice motor, but he is not overly strong, powerful, he's not a master of leverage, is a bit inconsistent and can be nullified for long stretches at a time, and will not fit in some schemes. Hood had quite a solid Senior season very good Senior Bowl, though it does not really match up to Peria Jerry's in either regard. Jerry is compact, strong, quick, athletic, is excellent in getting leverage, and has really made the most out of both his Senior season and pre-draft events (Senior Bowl & Combine.) Despite age, if I were building a team out of scratch I'd take Jerry over Hood.

If I were choosing, I'd rather take Hood due to youth + schematic versatility. He could realistically play DT in a 4-3 or DE in a 3-4, and with more teams running mutliple defenses or changing coaches and thus changing schemes, Hood becomes more valuable. Look at the Chiefs - they took Glenn Dorsey for a 4-3 spot, look to be playing more 3-4, and now he's not worth nearly as much. Bet you they're wishing they took someone else (Sedrick Ellis?) there.

I am going to go ahead and make that projection for Barwin. I see him as a 3-4 Oustide Linebacker or a Strong-side Linebacker in a 4-3 scheme. He is certainly athletic enough to make either move and has responded very well to coaching at all levels. He is a bit undersized, not polished enough as a pass-rusher, and not overly strong for the Defensive End spot. I think he is more than likely drafted to play Linebacker whether in the 3-4 or 4-3.

My thing with Barwin is, like you said, project + polish, and also that he didn't do anything until this year. I'd stick with Sintim, as I already know he can play there, whereas Barwin is a risk.

I honestly just don't see Brian Cushing getting past Green Bay (9), Denver (12), Washington (13), New Orleans (14), and Houston (15) on draft day. That round projection is where I think the player will go factoring in the teams in the area. Take a look at the Big Board for pure value. Cushing happens to be at 16 there.

I just don't think he makes enough plays to warrant a selection in the top half of the first round. He's a good player worth a first-round pick towards the end of the round, IMO. He has versatility, strength, and toughness, but gets injured often and lacks speed. His instincts are questionable as well.

Brinkley should make a fine thumper in a 3-4 scheme. If he could get back to his prior form, he is a much higher value than 119 (the Mid-4th grade I slapped on him.) His Combine workout turned some heads considering most here were expecting a 4.8-4.9 especially after the injuries. A boom-or-bust guy.

My question with him wasn't so much the speed (although his 40 time was manufactured speed, not game speed) so much as that he offers virtually nothing in coverage, is a durability concern, and is generally considered to be someone who will have trouble learning an NFL playbook.

I know you love the workout wonder types, but the truth is Donald Washington really wasn't even a steady starter at Ohio State. Washington was ok, but young Chimdi Chekwa was the better corner. His physical tools are going to allow him to go higher than he should as he should be a late-round guy. I am aware Kiper jumped all over his workout numbers, and I agree his stock is clearly on the rise, but Top 30-40 is nothing short of idiotic. Harris and Mickens both have the college stud, pro #3 look.

It depends - Washington is a guy with tons of potential and a decent amount of experience. A coach who doesn't have confidence in his guys to get him acclimated won't take him that high, but I could see it happening. I have him as an early third I believe, although coaches are generally pretty arrogant and I think he goes earlier than that. Harris and Mickens are absolutely #2 cornerbacks in my opinion.

Funny that Malcolm Jenkins is not fast enough for a Cornerback spot at 4.55 while Macho Harris is at 4.61.

I only project players at the position I feel they project best to. Malcolm Jenkins could play cornerback, but he'd be a better safety. I'm not going to rank Herman Johnson with my centers and tackles even though a team could move him there because I feel like he's best as a guard. The same is true for Jenkins.

ThePudge
03-15-2009, 08:47 PM
Why so low on D.J. Moore?

I'm not low exactly on D.J. Moore as I think he has the chance to be a nice #2 and a good punt returner. I think his size at 5'9 192 kills him by any means really, but I think that combined with average timed speed & troubles against the run will push him down to the 2nd. I think he is a good Mid-2nd Round value that will make a team happy fairly quickly.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-15-2009, 08:54 PM
You rock. Good stuff.

SaintsMan
03-16-2009, 03:45 AM
Top 15 for Cushing? I thought he was more of a late first talent.

holt_bruce81
03-16-2009, 03:48 AM
I agree with pretty much everything. Awesome work man!

nepg
03-16-2009, 09:58 AM
I've always had Maclin above Crabtree as well. I don't get why so many people think Crabtree is head-and-shoulders above Maclin and DHB... He doesn't have near the potential that those two have.

Another one is Stafford v. Sanchez. I don't see why Stafford is ranked above Sanchez. Sanchez has always been the better QB. Much better passer and much better pressence on the field.
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draftguru151
03-16-2009, 10:18 AM
Pretty good stuff. Few little problems (Sintim, Moore, both of whom I probably like too much) but nothing awful.

ThePudge
03-16-2009, 03:18 PM
Top 15 for Cushing? I thought he was more of a late first talent.

To be honest, I just don't see Brian Cushing slipping out of the top 15. You could make a legitimate claim that Green Bay (9), San Francisco (10), Buffalo (11), Denver (12), Washington (13), New Orleans (14), and Houston (15). Notice I don't even have him in my Top 15 on my board (16th), so it's not like I think overly highly of Cushing. I simply think it'd be very tough to see him get out of the Top 15 with the teams sitting 9-15 and his combination of size, strength, natural athletic ability, and experience.

Matthew Jones
03-16-2009, 03:25 PM
To be honest, I just don't see Brian Cushing slipping out of the top 15. You could make a legitimate claim that Green Bay (9), San Francisco (10), Buffalo (11), Denver (12), Washington (13), New Orleans (14), and Houston (15). Notice I don't even have him in my Top 15 on my board (16th), so it's not like I think overly highly of Cushing. I simply think it'd be very tough to see him get out of the Top 15 with the teams sitting 9-15 and his combination of size, strength, natural athletic ability, and experience.

There's no way Cushing goes in the top-10. That's ridiculous. The absolute highest I could see him going is Denver (12) although they'd be stupid to take a Cushing to play inside in their 3-4 (he's not good enough at rushing the passer to play outside) when Maualuga is on the board. Washington needs an offensive or defensive lineman way more than they need to reach on a linebacker. New Orleans is an option, but if they have either Jenkins or Davis on the board, I think they have to take them there, and if not, they should really be working hard to trade down, even if the value is off.

ThePudge
03-16-2009, 03:45 PM
Washington needs an offensive or defensive lineman way more than they need to reach on a linebacker.

Last I heard Washington has no Strong-side Linebacker after the release of Marcus Washington and New Orleans doesn't either. I think NO would take Cushing over Davis seeing as it's a more prominent need after the team signed possible #2 CB Jabari Greer. I personally think of Cushing more highly than Davis.

After the Jabari Greer signing, I would imagine their order goes more:
1. Malcolm Jenkins (perhaps at Free Safety)
2. Chris "Beanie" Wells
3. Brian Cushing
4. Vontae Davis

Matthew Jones
03-16-2009, 03:52 PM
Last I heard Washington has no Strong-side Linebacker after the release of Marcus Washington and New Orleans doesn't either. I think NO would take Cushing over Davis seeing as it's a more prominent need after the team signed possible #2 CB Jabari Greer. I personally think of Cushing more highly than Davis.

After the Jabari Greer signing, I would imagine their order goes more:
1. Malcolm Jenkins (perhaps at Free Safety)
2. Chris "Beanie" Wells
3. Brian Cushing
4. Vontae Davis

I see Davis as being far superior to Cushing. You have questions about Davis becoming a stud, but there are concerns over whether Cushing will even be on the field, which makes his chances of being an impact player much lower (he wasn't one in college.) The Redskins still have Blades/Fletcher/McIntosh, and they just released Jason Taylor.

ThePudge
03-16-2009, 04:27 PM
The Redskins still have Blades/Fletcher/McIntosh, and they just released Jason Taylor.

H.B. Blades is a natural Mike Backer, as is Fletcher. I know Blades filled in some for Washington a year ago and played fairly well, but he is not natural over the tight end or covering backs out of the backfield. He is simply a natural MLB. McIntosh is a Will. The team needs a SAM after the release of Marcus Washington. Blades appears to be the odd man out there and will likely hold the #4 Linebacker spot on the team if the team does, as expected, pick up a SLB. They do have needs along the offensive and defensive lines and they could easily go that direction, but they are certainly in the running for Brian Cushing.

They could go the DE route but if Brian Orakpo or Everette Brown are unavailable you're going to haveto reach to get your man. Michael Oher and Andre Smith are both possibilities, but once again, it's hardly a fact that either will be there waiting. In that scenario I would fully expect Cushing a Redskin rather than a significant reach.

Matthew Jones
03-16-2009, 04:30 PM
H.B. Blades is a natural Mike Backer, as is Fletcher. I know Blades filled in some for Washington a year ago and played fairly well, but he is not natural over the tight end or covering backs out of the backfield. He is simply a natural MLB. McIntosh is a Will. The team needs a SAM after the release of Marcus Washington. Blades appears to be the odd man out there and will likely hold the #4 Linebacker spot on the team if the team does, as expected, pick up a SLB. They do have needs along the offensive and defensive lines and they could easily go that direction, but they are certainly in the running for Brian Cushing.

They could go the DE route but if Brian Orakpo or Everette Brown are unavailable you're going to haveto reach to get your man. Michael Oher and Andre Smith are both possibilities, but once again, it's hardly a fact that either will be there waiting. In that scenario I would fully expect Cushing a Redskin rather than a significant reach.

Blades filled in for Washington and did a decent job on the strong side. I'd vastly prefer to take someone like a Tyson Jackson or Larry English, or take any of the top four OTs than grab Cushing.

ThePudge
03-16-2009, 04:47 PM
I see Davis as being far superior to Cushing. You have questions about Davis becoming a stud, but there are concerns over whether Cushing will even be on the field, which makes his chances of being an impact player much lower (he wasn't one in college.)

Not an impact player? Brian Cushing was 1st Team All-Pac 10 a year ago, a 2nd Team All-American. 2007 Honorable Mention though he missed plenty of time. 2006 2nd Team All-Pac 10 including the MVP of that Rose Bowl against Michigan with 7 Tackles 2.5 Sacks. He was plenty decorated and though you claim he wasn't an impact player in college, the coaches and associated press seemed to think otherwise. While this can't be considered fact as he doesn't do any one thing overly well

He had a shoulder injury that bugged him during his Freshman season causing him to miss time. He played his entire Sophomore season and looked to be developing into a stud in USC's hybrid 4-3 system as an OLB/DE (similar to Clay Matthews' role this season.) He had 13.5 TFL including 4.5 Sacks in that role. He had a knee problem the spring of his Junior season, and missed time due to an ankle issue later that year but he still managed to play at a high level. In 2008, Cushing was back healthy and playing very well a year ago at SAM while Matthews assumed the down lineman role. Cushing was active in the pass rush, much improved in coverage, and showed great range as a run defender. Most impressively, he stayed healthy.

He has the injury red flag, but he remains a player with a lot of upside and ability. I like his fit at SLB and he has looked more natural there each week. He's big, athletic, plays smart, there is a lot to like. He may not be a 10 Sack guy and he may not have the best hands in coverage to boost his Int numbers, but overall he's a very good SAM prospect who definitely has his head in the right direction. I doubt he's exactly over his injury bug, but he's still well worth the risk and I grade him higher than I do Vontae Davis.

Matthew Jones
03-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Vontae Davis actually has more decorations than that, with better physical tools and much more upside. In my opinion Rey Maualuga is clearly the best linebacker prospect on the USC defense and should go ahead of Cushing and Matthews. There's a chance Matthews is better as well - he has more tenacity and doesn't have the durability issues, plus I like him more as a fluid player than Cushing, who's solid in all categories but doesn't blow me away on the field. He's okay in coverage, but can't turn and run quickly and he doesn't have good hands either. He's jacked, but those muscles make him seem a bit slow and stiff and he's also developed the nagging injuries that keep him from being a consistently solid starter. There was no point over his career where he looked like an elite player whatsoever. It's sad that Cushing has 8.5 sacks in 44 games, hence why as a 3-4 prospect he projects to inside linebacker. I think he's better in a 3-4 personally, and I'd have concerns about taking him in the top half of the first round knowing he could be missing 4-5 games a year. In a twisted way he kind of reminds me of Jason Allen and Bobby Carpenter.

ThePudge
03-16-2009, 05:04 PM
Blades filled in for Washington and did a decent job on the strong side. I'd vastly prefer to take someone like a Tyson Jackson or Larry English, or take any of the top four OTs than grab Cushing.

Blades did alright at SLB, but I highly doubt that's his final destination as he played there mostly due to necessity. Soon he figures to take over for the 34 year old London Fletcher, if that man ever slows down.

Jackson can't exactly get after the Quarterback like they need to and remains a fairly overrated prospect in my opinion. Larry English, at 6'2 255, is undersized and a bit of a reach in the Top 15. I would rather take Cushing at 13 to be a SLB than I would English at the same spot to be a DE. I still think Cushing's value at a position of need would take precedence over a fairly large reach.

Matthew Jones
03-16-2009, 06:14 PM
Blades did alright at SLB, but I highly doubt that's his final destination as he played there mostly due to necessity. Soon he figures to take over for the 34 year old London Fletcher, if that man ever slows down.

Jackson can't exactly get after the Quarterback like they need to and remains a fairly overrated prospect in my opinion. Larry English, at 6'2 255, is undersized and a bit of a reach in the Top 15. I would rather take Cushing at 13 to be a SLB than I would English at the same spot to be a DE. I still think Cushing's value at a position of need would take precedence over a fairly large reach.

I see English as about as good of a value there as Cushing is - he recorded more sacks than pretty much anyone regarded as a first day end (Orakpo, Everette, etc.) Tyson Jackson actually had 10 sacks one year and is a pretty good pass rusher, hence why they left him at end and not tackle.

Hines
03-16-2009, 11:34 PM
Somebody may have touched this, but any reason why Mark Parson is ahead of Mike Mickens and Macho Harris? Also, do you not like Don Carey? I believe he is a draftable corner, and could go in the 5th rounder at least.

Matthew Jones
03-16-2009, 11:54 PM
Somebody may have touched this, but any reason why Mark Parson is ahead of Mike Mickens and Macho Harris? Also, do you not like Don Carey? I believe he is a draftable corner, and could go in the 5th rounder at least.

Ohio University. :p

JRTPlaya21
03-17-2009, 12:08 AM
Throw Chase Patton from Mizzou into the UDFA list.

ThePudge
03-17-2009, 10:41 AM
Somebody may have touched this, but any reason why Mark Parson is ahead of Mike Mickens and Macho Harris? Also, do you not like Don Carey? I believe he is a draftable corner, and could go in the 5th rounder at least.

Parson is still flying under the radar in a big way amongst draft circles, but could end up going higher than many think or had originally thought. At 5'9 186, running a low 4.5 he's not going to shock anyone based on pure measurables. He is, however, very quick and very explosive as an athlete turning in great Shuttle and 3-Cone times to go with a tremendous vertical. His cover skills are there and despite his lack of elite size or timed speed, he has the ability to cover just about anybody.

He was a good player the past three years at Ohio University. I thought he was a Mid-Late Round player coming into the draft process, but after an impressive showing at the Texas vs. The Nation week, special training at Deion Sanders' Prime U, and finally a very strong Pro Day, he generated a buzz among the scouts and I think he will go higher than most think. I'm not overly fond of him as a prospect actually, but I think he will be a nice #2 at the NFL level and I don't think he's really receiving the attention here that he is getting on the draft circuit.

I've actually got on a few people for having him too highly rated, though after a very strong Pro Day workout, I would not be surprised to hear his name called as early as the 3rd. He should be gone by the 5th Round.

- I've never been too hot on Macho Harris or Mike Mickens as NFL prospects. I feel like they college #1's that will likely be a pro #3.

I don't see how Macho Harris is fast enough to play corner to some people, yet Malcolm Jenkins is not, even when Harris' game is more predicated on speed. Harris is a gambler in coverage without a whole lot of recovery speed and also a gambler in the running game that will miss some tackles he should be making. He needs to find himself in a Cover 2 to be successful I think. He'd fit best as a #3 corner in a Cover 2 or zone scheme and perhaps a Punt Returner which allows him to use his short-area quickness, explosiveness, and natural instincts as a runner. He is a playmaker and a playmaker with the ball in his hands, but I feel he's going to be burnt a nice amount as he adjusts to NFL speed. I wouldn't touch him until the 4th and I think NFL teams will shy away at first.

As for Mickens, I like UC but I never felt any of those DBs were near as good of pro prospects as most seemed to think. Mickens is another gambler with questionable speed at the next level. He also is not very strong or physical. He can be outrun by smaller, faster wideouts and doesn't have the physicality to match up well with bigger, more physical receivers. This didn't happen all too much in college, he was a very good player, but I imagine at the next level things are going to be a lot different and he will likely have to re-learn a few things. His place may also be as a #3 Corner in a Cover 2 when all is said and done. Another player I wouldn't take earlier than the 4th.

- As for Don Carey, I think he's draftable as I do with Gregory Toler. Two small school guys that should receive consideration between the 5th and 7th. Cornerback is a crowded position and I'm still waiting for the prospects to start to separate themselves at the back there. The CB rankings will grow more refined by the week now that Pro Days are in full swing.

Thunder&Lightning
03-17-2009, 07:33 PM
You have a website Pudge or do you just do these rankings for this forum?

ThePudge
03-17-2009, 07:52 PM
You have a website Pudge or do you just do these rankings for this forum?

Just for myself and to post up on the forum. I've been getting a lot done because probation here at school has kept me from going out on the weekends for the time being haha