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sup3rk1ng
03-06-2007, 12:34 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2789594

San Francisco 49ers: The 49ers added their fourth potential starter to their defense by reaching an agreement Tuesday with Patriots linebacker Tully Banta-Cain.

Terms of the deal weren't immediately available.

Banta-Cain was being looked at by 4-3 teams as a defensive end and 3-4 teams as a linebacker. He was replaced by Adalius Thomas in New England.

Banta-Cain, who has good speed, was a seventh-round pick from California and gets a chance to return to the Bay Area.

-- John Clayton

toonsterwu
03-06-2007, 12:40 PM
nice pick up for the Niners. They've really tried to address a lot of areas this offseason. Draft wise, I don't think anything's really changed. I still think it's WR or S for them, and if they go WR, the hunch is still Dwayne Bowe.

sup3rk1ng
03-06-2007, 12:42 PM
nice pick up for the Niners. They've really tried to address a lot of areas this offseason. Draft wise, I don't think anything's really changed. I still think it's WR or S for them, and if they go WR, the hunch is still Dwayne Bowe.

Nope, we need D-line help. To run a 3-4, we're going to need a defensive end like Adam Carriker or Alan Branch. Unless we trade up for Calvin Johnson, which I doubt, we're definitely going defense.

Larry
03-06-2007, 12:48 PM
The defense will be even better when the 49ers draft Alan Branch at 11.

toonsterwu
03-06-2007, 12:52 PM
still not sold on DL. the problem was the NT spot last year, and Alan Branch isn't the best fit for the situation. He doesn't seem to be a fit for Manusky, and probably not Nolan either.

Carriker is possible, as he is quite intriguing and allows them versatility. That said, I think WR is a stronger option than suggested. The thing that has to be asked is, how do we get Alex Smith to improve, particularly, with Norv gone now? He needs additional weapons, weapons the Niners currently lack. Vernon Davis has a lot of potential ... but you can't be sure when that will manifest itself, as there were concerns last year on how that potential had to be molded.

But who knows, as all it is speculative. I'm not sold on the Branch fit, and I'm not sold that DE is such a pressing need to warrant spending a pick for when there are other needs, especially since capable developmental 3-4 DE options can be found later, and they could make a move for Demarcus Tyler to be the NT that they need.

Vikes99ej
03-06-2007, 12:53 PM
All right signing, I guess. Not as high-profile as their previous signing. If they have a good draft, this team is 9-7 easily, with that weak division.

JoeMontainya
03-06-2007, 12:55 PM
I wonder if the 49ers will regret spending all this money in acouple years, or if it will really pay off and make them what they want to be?

Larry
03-06-2007, 12:57 PM
still not sold on DL. the problem was the NT spot last year, and Alan Branch isn't the best fit for the situation. He doesn't seem to be a fit for Manusky, and probably not Nolan either.

Carriker is possible, as he is quite intriguing and allows them versatility. That said, I think WR is a stronger option than suggested. The thing that has to be asked is, how do we get Alex Smith to improve, particularly, with Norv gone now? He needs additional weapons, weapons the Niners currently lack. Vernon Davis has a lot of potential ... but you can't be sure when that will manifest itself, as there were concerns last year on how that potential had to be molded.

But who knows, as all it is speculative. I'm not sold on the Branch fit, and I'm not sold that DE is such a pressing need to warrant spending a pick for when there are other needs, especially since capable developmental 3-4 DE options can be found later, and they could make a move for Demarcus Tyler to be the NT that they need.

Fields and Franklin will rotate at NT. Both are big space eaters.

The niners need a DT like Carriker and Branch to replace Bryant Young in the future.

Geo
03-06-2007, 01:03 PM
Good move signing Tully Banta-Cain, terms of the contract pending, as it gives the team an experienced player at OLB. Between this, the Nate Clements signing, and the Aubrayo Franklin signing, the 49ers have really addressed the defense this off-season.

I say they draft Adam Carriker as well, he would give them an additional playmaker up front that they are in need of.

sup3rk1ng
03-06-2007, 01:07 PM
I'm a bit impartial on this signing..I was hoping we'd bring in a more experienced linebacker, but I guess nolan wants to stick with bringing in young guys. He's probably going to be in rotation with Parys Haralson and Roderick Green. I just like the fact that we took a player that the rams wanted to sign :)

SanFran
03-06-2007, 01:12 PM
Nice fit for 3-4,played in that system last yr with the Pats ,but made a stupid as mistake with that late hit on Manning in championship game which i thought cost them the game....but well Niners are winners on this signing,his young and has a lot of potential to be good player for us

toonsterwu
03-06-2007, 01:14 PM
Fields and Franklin will rotate at NT. Both are big space eaters.

The niners need a DT like Carriker and Branch to replace Bryant Young in the future.

I do think Carriker is a strong possibility, but not Branch. I'm just not sold on the fit there.

But here's the question I ask. Is getting a rotational DE for the scheme this year more important than trying to get Alex Smith to take the next step? The passing options just aren't there right now to expect Alex Smith to take the next step, IMO. If you use Ben Watson as a comparable for Vernon Davis, slight improvement this year can be expected, but the mediocrity around concerns. Yes, this will be a power running team with Gore, but Alex still needs weapons.

Not saying they'll definitely go WR or what not, but I do think WR is a stronger option than many fans make it out to be. Who's there in the 2nd round? The slow Dwayne Jarrett? The somewhat one-dimensional Sidney Rice (who I do like ... but that doesn't diminish the fact that, as of now, he is somewhat 1-dimensional). Johnnie Lee Higgins and the smaller WR's don't seem to be fits. Craig Davis? There are options in the 2nd ... but do they role that dice?

We'll have to wait and see.

Larry
03-06-2007, 01:20 PM
Don't even mention Jarrett, he's the next JJ Stokes/Mike Williams. I want no part of him.

Now Sidney Rice or Robert Meachem could be good option in the 2nd round possibly. That's if we don't take another pass rusher there.

Geo
03-06-2007, 01:21 PM
The better course of action would seem to be taking Carriker in the 1st and then either Jason Hill or Craig Davis in the 2nd, as opposed to forcing yourself to take a WR at 11th overall and setting yourself back thereafter.

If Dwayne Bowe is within trading picks' distance of the 49ers' 2nd round pick, the 49ers should do whatever they can to get him. He's a better fit for the team than Ted Ginn Jr., Robert Meachem, or Sidney Rice, I think.

sup3rk1ng
03-06-2007, 01:24 PM
I do think Carriker is a strong possibility, but not Branch. I'm just not sold on the fit there.

But here's the question I ask. Is getting a rotational DE for the scheme this year more important than trying to get Alex Smith to take the next step? The passing options just aren't there right now to expect Alex Smith to take the next step, IMO. If you use Ben Watson as a comparable for Vernon Davis, slight improvement this year can be expected, but the mediocrity around concerns. Yes, this will be a power running team with Gore, but Alex still needs weapons.

Not saying they'll definitely go WR or what not, but I do think WR is a stronger option than many fans make it out to be. Who's there in the 2nd round? The slow Dwayne Jarrett? The somewhat one-dimensional Sidney Rice (who I do like ... but that doesn't diminish the fact that, as of now, he is somewhat 1-dimensional). Johnnie Lee Higgins and the smaller WR's don't seem to be fits. Craig Davis? There are options in the 2nd ... but do they role that dice?

We'll have to wait and see.

It's definitely not an option unless we trade back in to the first round and take a guy like Meachem. I can definitely see us going Wr in the second round(maybe Hill), but not first. We're a run first team, WR is a priority, but not over defensive line. We shouldn't even bother trying to run the 3-4 if we keep our defensive line the way it is right now.

toonsterwu
03-06-2007, 01:26 PM
If Bowe falls to the latter half of the first, then yes, it would be smarter for them to go elsewhere and use their additional assets to deal up for him. I'm not sold that Bowe falls low enough, though. I like Hill and Davis both a lot (and I'm not sold both are their for their 2nd round pick). Both are, though, greater risks and bigger uncertainties. Do you roll the dice on Alex Smith's future with gambles and a medicore cast? It's possible, as I'm not ruling it out, but all I'm saying is that, they need a receiver to help Alex Smith, and I don't think WR is out of consideration at 11, where I still believe Bowe is fine value (as I have him as a top 15 value, so 11 is fine).

Larry
03-06-2007, 01:28 PM
The better course of action would seem to be taking Carriker in the 1st and then either Jason Hill or Craig Davis in the 2nd, as opposed to forcing yourself to take a WR at 11th overall and setting yourself back thereafter.

If Dwayne Bowe is within trading picks' distance of the 49ers' 2nd round pick, the 49ers should do whatever they can to get him. He's a better fit for the team than Ted Ginn Jr., Robert Meachem, or Sidney Rice, I think.


Bowe is a top 20 pick. No way we get him in the draft.

toonsterwu
03-06-2007, 01:29 PM
It's definitely not an option unless we trade back in to the first round and take a guy like Meachem. I can definitely see us going Wr in the second round(maybe Hill), but not first. We're a run first team, WR is a priority, but not over defensive line. We shouldn't even bother trying to run the 3-4 if we keep our defensive line the way it is right now.

Being a run-first team doesn't remove the need for the QB to develop, which, with Norv gone, means that, ostensibly, Alex will have to be provided with improved options. Again, I'm not saying WR is definitely the pick there, but I wouldn't rule it out since the value of Bowe is solid at 11. Do you gamble your QB's future with average talents (current cast) and gambles (as noted, like Hill and Davis, not sure both will be there, but one of them likely ... that said, they are still gambles)? It is possible they take that gamble, but to rule out WR at 11 right now, IMO, is a bit of a stretch.

Btw, as for my own mock, Carriker is off the board at that point already.

Geo
03-06-2007, 01:32 PM
If Carriker is off the board, then I could probably see them taking either Bowe or Meachem.

sup3rk1ng
03-06-2007, 01:36 PM
Being a run-first team doesn't remove the need for the QB to develop, which, with Norv gone, means that, ostensibly, Alex will have to be provided with improved options. Again, I'm not saying WR is definitely the pick there, but I wouldn't rule it out since the value of Bowe is solid at 11. Do you gamble your QB's future with average talents (current cast) and gambles (as noted, like Hill and Davis, not sure both will be there, but one of them likely ... that said, they are still gambles)? It is possible they take that gamble, but to rule out WR at 11 right now, IMO, is a bit of a stretch.

Btw, as for my own mock, Carriker is off the board at that point already.

Strengthening our defense is another way of helping him. It would take alot of pressure off of him knowing that our defense can make the stops. The only way I see us going wide receiver is if carriker, okoye and branch are all off the board. I don't really see that happening, but if it did, i think we'd go with robert meachem.

toonsterwu
03-06-2007, 01:41 PM
You have an older Robert Meachem in Ashley Lelie already. I mean, basically similar types of receivers. I think if they look for a receiver there, Bowe would be the pick because

a) impressed them at Senior Bowel
b) provides the intermediate range tough, big target to complement Lelie going downfield.

TheChampIsHere
03-06-2007, 01:48 PM
great signing, they needed a pass-rusher

hugegmenfan
03-06-2007, 02:09 PM
i have a feeling if they add a legit WR in the draft they are going to be an exceptionally good team
they r goin to challenge the seahawks for nfc west for sure

princefielder28
03-06-2007, 02:49 PM
very nice job by the 49ers; I really like what this guy will bring to the defense and they didn't have to pay 10 mil a year

HawkeyeFan
03-06-2007, 03:49 PM
#@$%$@%)@)$#%)@#$)@#_$_(

Thats all. Now I'm really getting sick and f'ing tired of the Rams not doing anything to our defense. I'm about ready to blow a fuse.

Larry
03-06-2007, 03:55 PM
#@$%$@%)@)$#%)@#$)@#_$_(

Now I'm really getting sick and f'ing tired of the Rams not doing anything to our defense.


What else is new.

Anyway according to John Clayton Banta-Cain will receive a three-year, $12.2 million contract that will pay him $4 million in 2007.

HawkeyeFan
03-06-2007, 03:57 PM
What else is new.

Anyway according to John Clayton Banta-Cain will receive a three-year, $12.2 million contract that will pay him $4 million in 2007.

Pisses me off more that we didn't match it.

moc182
03-06-2007, 03:59 PM
Excellent, excellent signing. Banta-Cain is a hell of a player and is still young enough that he will still be in his prime when this team is ready to seriously ready to compete, and judging by the way this franchise has been heading, that will be sooner rather than later.

etk
03-06-2007, 04:02 PM
In the NFC West they can actually win the division now.

Vikes99ej
03-06-2007, 04:03 PM
#@$%$@%)@)$#%)@#$)@#_$_(

Thats all. Now I'm really getting sick and f'ing tired of the Rams not doing anything to our defense. I'm about ready to blow a fuse.

Imagine being a Vikings fan and watching your coach sign Vinsanthe Shiancoe expecting him to be the #1 TE. That's hard.

papa burgundy
03-06-2007, 04:06 PM
Fields and Franklin will rotate at NT. Both are big space eaters.

The niners need a DT like Carriker and Branch to replace Bryant Young in the future.

Fields is going to start/possibly rotate with Oliver at DE.. it'll be Sopoaga, Franklin, and probably a draft pick rotating at NT. Nolan and McCloughan are very high on Fields as a DE and consider him to be the future replacement of BY which I don't think makes DE is as dire a need as Niner fans are making it out to be. What we really need is an everydown NT like a Williams or Hampton to run the 3-4 as effectively as we can. For now I'd love to solidify our linebackers by taking Patrick Willis(a player Nolan and Singletary both liked at the Senior Bowl). Lawson-Willis-Moore-Haralson/Green/Banta-Cain would give us a really solid young LB corp for years to come. I wouldn't rule out Nolan and McCloughan taking Landry if he fell to 11 either. And Dwayne Bowe was another guy the Niners coaching staff, particularly the WR coach Jerry Sullivan, really liked at the Senior Bowl.

Larry
03-06-2007, 04:13 PM
Pisses me off more that we didn't match it.

Coming back to the bay area probably gave us the slight edge.

sup3rk1ng
03-06-2007, 05:05 PM
Adam Schefter is reporting different contract numbers http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

San Francisco has signed free agent LB Tully Banta-Cain to a three-yeal, $8.7 million deal, which includes a $2.9 million signing bonus. Pittsburgh and St. Louis each had been interested in signing Banta-Cain.

BuckNaked
03-06-2007, 05:11 PM
Imagine being a Vikings fan and watching your coach sign Vinsanthe Shiancoe expecting him to be the #1 TE. That's hard.

Exactly, and what are you even talking about? The Rams signed Drew Bennett.

Eagles own the NFC East
03-06-2007, 05:47 PM
Exactly, and what are you even talking about? The Rams signed Drew Bennett.

he is sayin they havent signed any defensive playas yet cuz

portermvp84
03-07-2007, 09:53 AM
Good signing, the 49ers are on the rise

HawkeyeFan
03-07-2007, 10:39 AM
Exactly, and what are you even talking about? The Rams signed Drew Bennett.

Doesn't help much when the money could have been better used such as some of the better defensive players out there when we would have been in position to draft a few stud Wide Recievers.