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ravensfan3jt
03-22-2009, 08:50 PM
Everyone post what you would want the Ravens first four picks to look like NO TRADES

1. Hakeem Nicks WR - I know some people want DHB here but i think Nicks is better because he will step in and help immediately.

2. Fili Moala DE/DT - Fili is Ngatas cousin and both of them on the d-line would be great. Gregg and Price are getting up there in age and Moala could step in in a couple years. Next draft we should get an elite pass rusher to complete this line.

3. Domonique Johnson CB - A good corner who can provide depth for a couple years and ultimately turn into a started if he turns out right.

4. Xavier Fulton OT - Is an above average run and pass blocker along with above average strength, has average awareness. Great agility. This OT is very deep and Xavier Fulton would be great.

America
03-22-2009, 08:53 PM
Jarius Byrd, CB, Oregon. He might be a reach in some eyes, but as Scott said in his blog a few days ago, he's being viewed by a lot of draft expects as the 3rd best corner available. He's a well built, physical corner who supports the run well. He's instinctual and has a knack for making big plays (36 PBU, 17 INTs). The All Pac-10 player adds value as a return man. With the recent failures of developing wide receivers and a likely run on receivers before our pick, Ozzie and co. choose a safer pick and solidify the nickel package. His stock could really soar with a good pro-day.

2. Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio St. Rather than choosing one of the more high profile, riskier receivers in round 1 (DHB, Nicks, Britt, Harvin), the staff settles for a pro-ready player in Robiskie. With Troy Smith running the offense, Robiskie showed the ability the get deep in 07, and was an excellent red-zone threat. He's got great size and solid speed (4.47 Pro Day-4.51 Combine) and could become an instant go-to target for Flacco.

3. Lawrence Sidbury Jr., DE, Richmond. A perfect project for Rex Ryan...oh wait. Regardless, he oozes potential and knows how to get after the QB. The 6'2.5" 265 lber with 4.65 speed had 11.5 sacks last year. He's not the greatest need, but if Suggs can't be resigned or Barnes leaves after a good season in a year or two, we'll need some depth, and he could be special.

4. Lydon Murtha, OT, Nebraska. I was almost tempted to put him in the 3rd round. He's a big guy (6'7", 315) but has got some wheels (4.89 combine, unofficial NU lineman record 4.82 and a 1.53 10yrdash -- 4.34 20yd shuttle). He's a smart guy, and has started at RT and LT. Big Willie will be gone soon, and Adam Terry might not be resigned if he wants to much. He has the potential to start at RT down the line.

Ravens1991
03-22-2009, 08:55 PM
1.DHB
2.Phil Loadholt
3.CB or Dline

I think 3rd is 2 early for Domonique Johnson

coordinator0
03-22-2009, 10:04 PM
Realisticly...

1. Hakeem Nicks - WR - North Carolina

He had a below average pro day combined with a hamstring injury. I think his stock was a little too inflated as it was, but I think he'll be there at 26 and DHB won't be.

2. Gerald Cadogan - OT - Penn. State

I love this guy. He can play RT or LT, and has a good combination of size/strength/athleticism. He would be my ideal RT because he can help with the 3-4 OLB's that we frequently face, whereas a guy like Big Willie or Loadholt just doesn't have the footspeed to seal the edge against them.

3. Keenan Lewis - CB - Oregon State

He would be the perfect compliment to our smaller corners. He also makes big plays would fit nicely in our defense, maybe even solidifying our secondary.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-23-2009, 07:05 AM
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR, Maryland = With his speed and Flacco's deep ball, it could be the combo we need to finally take down the black and YELLOW (its not gold), especially when it matters most in the playoffs!

Alternate Pick Possibilities - Hakeem Nicks WR (UNC), Kenny Britt WR (Rutgers), or Eben Britton RT (Arizona)

2. Phil Loadholt RT, Oklahoma = Our 2nd might be a bit of stretch for him to last too, but if he does then I think its a perfect fit for us and him.

Alternate Pick Possibilities - Jairus Byrd my personal favorite CB in this draft (oregon), Brian Robiskie WR (Ohio State) if we dont get a WR in rd 1, or Derry Beckwith ILB (LSU).

3. Dannell Ellerbe ILB Georgia = I think he is a Raven. Tough as nails, and plays with alot of heart and passion for the game. Give him 2 years learning from Ray and the sky is the limit for what he could be. Had some injuries his senior year, and thats why he's not picked until rd 3.

Alternate Pick Possibilities - Kyle Moore DE (USC), Coye Francies CB (San Jose St), or Jonathan Luigs C (Arkansas).

4. Kevin Barnes CB, Maryland = Another great fit for both parties involved. Barnes could be a potential mid round beastly steal for whoever gets him and I hope its us. I know we've got decent depth at CB now, but I have zero faith in Walker at CB, and little faith in Chris Carr at CB (good returner never shown to be a capable corner). Barnes is a potential #2 CB who could be amazing as a nickel or dime his rookie season.

Alternate Pick Possibilities - Depending upon how Harbaugh feels about Willis he may wanna get someone like Arian Foster RB (Tennessee), perhaps James Davis RB (Clemson) both could do well in a tandem backfield with Ray Rice and with Le'Ron back at FB, or maybe take a flyer even if you go WR in rd 1 on a guy like Ramses Barden WR (Cal Poly) Barden could end up being very unique if he puts it all together.

America
03-23-2009, 02:30 PM
4. Kevin Barnes CB, Maryland = Another great fit for both parties involved. Barnes could be a potential mid round beastly steal for whoever gets him and I hope its us. I know we've got decent depth at CB now, but I have zero faith in Walker at CB, and little faith in Chris Carr at CB (good returner never shown to be a capable corner). Barnes is a potential #2 CB who could be amazing as a nickel or dime his rookie season.


There was a link on here a while ago showing wonderlic scores - Kevin Barnes got a 41. I love that pick.

Ravens1991
03-23-2009, 02:34 PM
that would be great for a QB wow that is impressive. Obviously it doesnt mean he will be a star but it shows he is a smart guy.

ccB
03-23-2009, 03:06 PM
Mines more of a big board for each pick than an actual mock but I have:

1st: WR: DHB/Nicks/Britt or TE: Brandon Pettigrew

I am beginning to think DHB will be long gone, in which case I'd want Hakeem Nicks, followed by Britt. If for some reason Brandon Pettigrew was at our pick I'd love to take him, he basically has everything you'd want out of a TE.

2nd: CB: Sean Smith/Jairus Byrd TE: Shawn Nelson/Jared Cook/Cornelius Ingram OL: Alex Mack/Max Unger/Duke Robinson/Jamon Meredith

With the second rounder, if Sean Smith is there I think he is a perfect fit for our defense, would fit right in at NB and give us that physical presence at CB that we are lacking with Foxworth and Washington. Another position I'd like to target if Smith is not there is, TE we need a TE who can be a play maker, and can also become that big target in the endzone that we were lacking last year, Nelson, or Cook would be my preference but Ingram would do. I also wouldn't mind adding depth to the OL, I like Alex Mack and he could be a great future replacement for Birk but I doubt he falls that far. Next best thing would be Unger who could be a swiss army knife on the line plugging in at C/OG/RT, it's always great to have a player with his versatility for when injuries occur. Duke Robinson most likely will not fall to our 2nd round pick but he has huge potential IMO and would love to take him based on that alone.


For the mid to later rounds some guys I really like include, Ramses Barden, Jaoquin Iglesias, Jarron Gilbert, Lawrence Sidbury, Frantz Joseph, and Kyle Moore.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-23-2009, 05:04 PM
I actually think Jarron is a sleeper for our first or 2nd round pick. Highly doubt he will last past the first day. He'd be the perfect replacement for Trevor Pryce. I guess my dream Ravens draft, key on dream would be,


1st: Eben Britton
2nd: Jarron Gilbert
3rd: Shawn Nelson
4th: Ramses Barden
5th: Deangelo Smith
6th: Antonio Appleby
7th: Marko Mitchell

coordinator0
03-23-2009, 06:16 PM
That would be a pretty good mock RIP. I really think Britton would be in consideration if he was at out pick, but MIN would be awfully tempted to take him...

BmoreBlackByrdz
03-23-2009, 06:37 PM
We are doing a Mock in the Mock Draft section and heres the Ravens draft thus far.

1. Kenny Britt
2. Shawn Nelson
3. Kevin Barnes
4. Zach Follet
5. Josh Mauga(voted)
6. Johnny Knox

obviously not my dream draft and some of the picks were made in a hurry but I'm kinda satisfied.

My dream draft-

Round 1. Darrius Heyward-Bey - I think if he falls past the Jets, we have a shot at him. He compliments Flaccos arm perfectly and they'd be a great duo for years to come.

Round 2. Jarius Byrd - I love this guy, Hes a great football player. Harbaugh loves these kinda guys. He's an outstanding returnman and think of the luxury of having 2 dangerous punt returners. He also gives us the much needed talent and depth at corner we so desperatly need.

Blah, I'm too lazy to do anymore, but I will say this, its gonna be hard to predict the Ravens draft, since we will always go for the BPA on our board, so we can only tell come draft day.

coordinator0
03-23-2009, 06:40 PM
Oh boy... 2 LB's drafted w/o getting a RT get's my blood-a-boiling.

lordquas
03-23-2009, 09:53 PM
1st. Darius Heyward Bey or Kenny Britt or Rey Mauluaga.

2nd. Jasper Brinkley or William Beatty or Tyson Jackson.

3rd. Ricky Jean-Francois

rest later

ccB
03-23-2009, 10:29 PM
I actually think Jarron is a sleeper for our first or 2nd round pick. Highly doubt he will last past the first day. He'd be the perfect replacement for Trevor Pryce. I guess my dream Ravens draft, key on dream would be,


1st: Eben Britton
2nd: Jarron Gilbert
3rd: Shawn Nelson
4th: Ramses Barden
5th: Deangelo Smith
6th: Antonio Appleby
7th: Marko Mitchell

I'd be happy with this draft, not insanely high on Britton but I wouldn't hate the pick and I absolutely love players 2, 3, and 4.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-24-2009, 02:55 AM
For future dream drafts however.......we don't have a 7th its Tampa Bay's for Marques Douglas before last season.

A Perfect Score
03-24-2009, 03:39 AM
Last time we did a mock, I ran the Ravens, and it ended up like this:

1. Vontae Davis
2. Percy Harvin
3. Travis Beckum

Obviously since then, things have changed. Its highly unlikely Harvin will be available in round 2, and after the signing of Foxworth, I'm not convinced we will go CB in Round 1, even though I feel we still should. The signing of LJ Smith eliminates the Beckum selection, although I feel he would be an excellent addition and give Flacco a dynamic recieving threat. As of now, my ideal ravens mock looks like this:

1. Vontae Davis/Alphonso Smith
2. Derrick Williams (Im a fan, the kid is gunna blow up in the pros, I love him as a slot/#2)

Im still doing further research on round 3 and down, but I think for our top 2 picks, we should go like that. Cant say id be upset if we went with DHB/Harvin in Round 1, but I dont like Britt or Nicks.

coordinator0
03-24-2009, 09:08 AM
Williams may very well be a good slot/#2 guy in the pro's, but we need a big #1. I just can't grasp what there is to like about him.

A Perfect Score
03-24-2009, 10:26 AM
Williams may very well be a good slot/#2 guy in the pro's, but we need a big #1. I just can't grasp what there is to like about him.

Well right now, he would play in the slot...Mason has said he wants to continue playing, and he is doing so at a fairly high level, and I believe that once Mason retires, Clayton, who is basically his Carbon Copy, can do everything that Mason is doing, and Williams could slide out and be the #2. That would be my immediate thought, but as i said, im not really overly concerned as to which WR we end up with...there is quality there in this draft.

ccB
03-24-2009, 11:19 AM
I actually think Jarron is a sleeper for our first or 2nd round pick. Highly doubt he will last past the first day. He'd be the perfect replacement for Trevor Pryce. I guess my dream Ravens draft, key on dream would be,


1st: Eben Britton
2nd: Jarron Gilbert
3rd: Shawn Nelson
4th: Ramses Barden
5th: Deangelo Smith
6th: Antonio Appleby
7th: Marko Mitchell

Yeah I was kind of hoping he'd fall to the 3rd but if he makes it to the 3rd he will probably go earlier than our pick with the number of new 3-4 teams popping up, I wouldn't mind taking him with our second, but he might not even be available for that pick, the dude is a beast.

America
03-24-2009, 11:39 AM
Well right now, he would play in the slot...Mason has said he wants to continue playing, and he is doing so at a fairly high level, and I believe that once Mason retires, Clayton, who is basically his Carbon Copy, can do everything that Mason is doing, and Williams could slide out and be the #2. That would be my immediate thought, but as i said, im not really overly concerned as to which WR we end up with...there is quality there in this draft.

Except Clayton isn't good enough to replace Mason...

Ravens1991
03-24-2009, 12:00 PM
Does anyone know exactly what picks we have? I know we got a cluster of mid round picks in the trade w/ JAX, then we lost some picks trading up for Flacco. Then we lost some trading for Douglas.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-24-2009, 01:08 PM
Does anyone know exactly what picks we have? I know we got a cluster of mid round picks in the trade w/ JAX, then we lost some picks trading up for Flacco. Then we lost some trading for Douglas.

1st Rd #26 (overall)
2nd Rd #57 (overall)
3rd Rd #88 (overall)
4th Rd #119 (overall)
5th Rd #154 (overall)
6th Rd #185 (overall)

Ravens1991
03-24-2009, 03:21 PM
Thanks now I am gonna give a full mock a try.

This is a realistic mock and not a dream mock.

1st-Kenny Britt WR(A big WR who will do great w/ our curl and slant routes, is a big target for Flacco so he isnt throwing Jump balls to 5'11 190 Mason/Clayton)
Other options:Vontae Davis,Tyson Jackson,Eben Britton,Alex Mack
2nd-Jarius Byrd CB(A playmaker that will support the run can play FS/CB could be Reed replacement down the line.)
Other options:Ramses Barden,Phil Loadholt,Jarron Gilbert
3rd-Jonathan Luigs C(a smart hard working player to learn behind Birk)
other options: Kevin Barnes CB.
4th-Anthony Hill TE (he fits the role perfectly that Heap did this year)
5th-Scott McKillop(A ILB who is smart a leader and is intense)
6th-Jose Martinez K(A strong legged kicker who can create a position battle between him and that european guy who we had do kick offs.)

BmoreBlackByrdz
03-24-2009, 04:28 PM
^ Nice, I really like Britt.

America
03-24-2009, 08:34 PM
Thanks now I am gonna give a full mock a try.

This is a realistic mock and not a dream mock.

1st-Kenny Britt WR(A big WR who will do great w/ our curl and slant routes, is a big target for Flacco so he isnt throwing Jump balls to 5'11 190 Mason/Clayton)
Other options:Vontae Davis,Tyson Jackson,Eben Britton,Alex Mack
2nd-Jarius Byrd CB(A playmaker that will support the run can play FS/CB could be Reed replacement down the line.)
Other options:Ramses Barden,Phil Loadholt,Jarron Gilbert
3rd-Jonathan Luigs C(a smart hard working player to learn behind Birk)
other options: Kevin Barnes CB.
4th-Anthony Hill TE (he fits the role perfectly that Heap did this year)
5th-Scott McKillop(A ILB who is smart a leader and is intense)
6th-Jose Martinez K(A strong legged kicker who can create a position battle between him and that european guy who we had do kick offs.)

I love the first three picks. I'm not so sure we need Hill after signing Smith and Quinn coming back, but I guess both could be gone after this year so I'd be alright with that. McKillop is in the same position. We just have a lot of young guys right now who we need to develop, so I don't know if he would ever even get reps in practice. I agree on going with a kicker too.

Ravens1991
03-24-2009, 08:41 PM
O IDK that Quinn was coming back. Then I would change that pick to a TE who can be a red zone threat and a passing option. and Quinn can be the main blocker.

ChefMike
03-26-2009, 08:28 AM
I love the first three picks. I'm not so sure we need Hill after signing Smith and Quinn coming back, but I guess both could be gone after this year so I'd be alright with that. McKillop is in the same position. We just have a lot of young guys right now who we need to develop, so I don't know if he would ever even get reps in practice. I agree on going with a kicker too.

Where did you see Quinn was coming back? I haven't seen any reports that say that..

ChewyRaven318
03-26-2009, 09:47 AM
Where did you see Quinn was coming back? I haven't seen any reports that say that..
www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravensrams227,0,7025233.story

coordinator0
03-26-2009, 10:07 AM
www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravensrams227,0,7025233.story

Here's the part he's referring to if you don't want to read lol:

... Three other restricted free agents (safety Dawan Landry, receiver Demetrius Williams and tight end Quinn Sypniewski) received low tenders. The Ravens will tender them one-year, $1 million deals and would receive a draft pick from the round the player was drafted as compensation. ...

EdReedUnstoppable
03-27-2009, 06:06 AM
I hadn't seen anyone post this yet, if I missed it sorry but........we got 0 compensation picks, so unless a trade is made we have 6 picks and no more.

Ravens1991
03-27-2009, 01:44 PM
so what would everyones thoughts be if we trade? Whether its up/down etc. I wouldnt mind trading up for DHB but it really depends on what we give up. I also wouldnt mind trading back to the early second we can still end up w/ Nicks or Britt and pick up another pick or 2.

America
03-27-2009, 02:49 PM
Trade down. The value of the #25-45 prospects are pretty similar.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-27-2009, 06:48 PM
If DHB is gone I say trade down and acquire more picks since we only have 6. Although staying at 26 and taking Kenny Britt wouldplease me also!

mikedoobie
04-01-2009, 06:04 PM
After a very long hiatus thought i might as well try a ravens mock

1st Rd #26 (overall) - Alphonso Smith | CB | Wake Forest
I dont think he will be the guy we are wanting here and with that being said i don't see DHB being there. If Pettigrew was there i think we take him also, but i think we will have the choice between alphonso smith, kenny britt, hakeem nicks and possibly vontae davis. Alphonso has everything except height and under the tutelage of Reed and Lewis (both also coincidently undersized and late round firsts) is the safest pick at this point. If Vonate is there we would prolly go him but my realistic big board would be: Pettigrew, DHB, Vontae Davis, Alphonso Smith, Kenny Britt. If we get any of those guys or Larry English i would be ecstatic and i really hope that the recievers drop as usual and DHB will be there for us, i have an odd feeling he will, much like when we got Ngata, shoulda easily been in top 10 and much better then anything BJ Raji could become, just saying we got a steal.
Wouldnt be surpised if we trade back a little and take Clay Matthews or a Connor Barwin type guy. I expect us to look hard at LB early on.

2nd Rd #57 (overall) - Phil Loadholt | OT | Oklahoma
I pray that he is there for the pick but would not be surprised at all should he be picked earlier. Fits our scheme nicely and could be a very dominant RT for us while he is given time to develop. if not there I expect us to look LB like Beckwith, Cody Brown, Paul Kruger and Sidbury Jr.

3rd Rd #88 (overall) - Kyle Moore | DE | USC
We need depth and help on the DL i like Chris Baker at NT and inside with scheme versatility and the same can be said with Kyle Moore but on the outside. I lean Moore as he doesnt have the character concerns, gotta love the potential with the body type he has and the great senior year. future starter and replacement of Pryce. again Depth is needed!

4th Rd #119 (overall) - AQ Shipley | C | Penn St.
Shipley screams ravens type player to me. Has everything you look for in a centre and really showed it off at the combine where in my mind he really impressed me in every drill and his film only solidifies it. Extremely underrated especially within this strong C class. One of my fav prospects and in my opinion will be the have the most productive career of the C prospects.

5th Rd #154 (overall) - Quinn Johnson | FB | LSU
Fits our scheme and allows us to utilize McClain at RB and FB. powerful player who could go higher but is very one dimensional and think he will be here and i dont think Ozzie will pass up the opportunity to get such a good role player on offense and special teams.

6th Rd #185 (overall) - Graham Gano | K | Florida St.
The kid has a leg, may go earlier with the power he posseses but i do think we should address the K situation, it showed last year and will continually get worse. Honestly as much as i love Stover he has gotten to the point where we need to be around the 25 to get him out there..i cant handle that any longer especially with our low scoring pound it out every point counts playing style

havent done one of these in a while so give it heck

Ravens1991
04-01-2009, 06:12 PM
I still dont know if a Nickel back would be worth using a 1st round pick, especially w/ how deep the WR class is and our need for a WR.

But its good to know you are alive you haven't been on here in ages.

mikedoobie
04-01-2009, 06:25 PM
I think he would quickly move from nickel to starter but on that i was switching back and fourth between him and Britt. I love evrything about Britt and would be the perfect compliment in our offense but i think Alphonso is an extremely safe pick and is just really hard to pass up and i dont see us picking Britt or Nicks over a corner like Smith who is a true playmaker and football player in every way of the game. Also i am very iffy on WRs and where they will go in the draft and think we will be in a big surprise come draft day

Ravens1991
04-01-2009, 06:32 PM
yes that is what I agree on. it will make the draft wild. Unfourtanetly for me I got prom that night, so I will be missing a fun time no matter what I do.


About WR Ozzie did say, I challenge you to go to the WR working out right now and tell them we need a WR, I am fine with them(a paraphrase). But that could very well be a smoke screen

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-01-2009, 07:07 PM
After a very long hiatus thought i might as well try a ravens mock

1st Rd #26 (overall) - Alphonso Smith | CB | Wake Forest
I dont think he will be the guy we are wanting here and with that being said i don't see DHB being there. If Pettigrew was there i think we take him also, but i think we will have the choice between alphonso smith, kenny britt, hakeem nicks and possibly vontae davis. Alphonso has everything except height and under the tutelage of Reed and Lewis (both also coincidently undersized and late round firsts) is the safest pick at this point. If Vonate is there we would prolly go him but my realistic big board would be: Pettigrew, DHB, Vontae Davis, Alphonso Smith, Kenny Britt. If we get any of those guys or Larry English i would be ecstatic and i really hope that the recievers drop as usual and DHB will be there for us, i have an odd feeling he will, much like when we got Ngata, shoulda easily been in top 10 and much better then anything BJ Raji could become, just saying we got a steal.
Wouldnt be surpised if we trade back a little and take Clay Matthews or a Connor Barwin type guy. I expect us to look hard at LB early on.

2nd Rd #57 (overall) - Phil Loadholt | OT | Oklahoma
I pray that he is there for the pick but would not be surprised at all should he be picked earlier. Fits our scheme nicely and could be a very dominant RT for us while he is given time to develop. if not there I expect us to look LB like Beckwith, Cody Brown, Paul Kruger and Sidbury Jr.

3rd Rd #88 (overall) - Kyle Moore | DE | USC
We need depth and help on the DL i like Chris Baker at NT and inside with scheme versatility and the same can be said with Kyle Moore but on the outside. I lean Moore as he doesnt have the character concerns, gotta love the potential with the body type he has and the great senior year. future starter and replacement of Pryce. again Depth is needed!

4th Rd #119 (overall) - AQ Shipley | C | Penn St.
Shipley screams ravens type player to me. Has everything you look for in a centre and really showed it off at the combine where in my mind he really impressed me in every drill and his film only solidifies it. Extremely underrated especially within this strong C class. One of my fav prospects and in my opinion will be the have the most productive career of the C prospects.

5th Rd #154 (overall) - Quinn Johnson | FB | LSU
Fits our scheme and allows us to utilize McClain at RB and FB. powerful player who could go higher but is very one dimensional and think he will be here and i dont think Ozzie will pass up the opportunity to get such a good role player on offense and special teams.

6th Rd #185 (overall) - Graham Gano | K | Florida St.
The kid has a leg, may go earlier with the power he posseses but i do think we should address the K situation, it showed last year and will continually get worse. Honestly as much as i love Stover he has gotten to the point where we need to be around the 25 to get him out there..i cant handle that any longer especially with our low scoring pound it out every point counts playing style

havent done one of these in a while so give it heck

Not a fan of Alphonso as a raven. I love him as a player but he is just not the type of corner we need. I'd prefer Vontae Davis or Sean Smith. We need a taller, physical guy to compliment Washington and Foxworth. I love Quinn Johnson, Gano, Shipley and Loadholt,(don't know much about Kyle Moore) just not Smith, he's a great player, with a great talent, just not the best fit for us. Good overall draft though.

Ravens1991
04-01-2009, 07:48 PM
I still say we go WR. Even if DHB isn't there. Since we got flacco we need to invest into him and not leave him hanging all by himself on offense. Both Britt and Nicks have upper echelon #1 WR potential. I think they will be at our pick. I think we gotta take one of them.

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-01-2009, 09:02 PM
^ No doubt, well said.

EdReedUnstoppable
04-02-2009, 12:11 PM
yes that is what I agree on. it will make the draft wild. Unfourtanetly for me I got prom that night, so I will be missing a fun time no matter what I do.


About WR Ozzie did say, I challenge you to go to the WR working out right now and tell them we need a WR, I am fine with them(a paraphrase). But that could very well be a smoke screen

I severely hope thats just a smoke screen. We are far from fine with the WRs we have.

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-02-2009, 04:16 PM
I hope he is joking. If we don't get a WR day 1, we have to put all our hope into Demetrius Williams coming back healthy and being our deep threat. I would HATE to be in that situtation.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
04-02-2009, 05:09 PM
I hope he is joking. If we don't get a WR day 1, we have to put all our hope into Demetrius Williams coming back healthy and being our deep threat. I would HATE to be in that situtation.

It would be nice to draft DHB and Williams still comes back healthy and is a deep threat.

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-02-2009, 05:27 PM
It would be nice to draft DHB and Williams still comes back healthy and is a deep threat.

yeah, but if we have enough confidice in D-will to come back healthy, I think we should look for Nicks or Britt instead of DHB. If we get our deep threat, we need a Boldin/Bowe/Marshall type WR. Tall, physical, good hands and YAC. Also contribute early, I'd love Britt, assuming D-Will can be our deep threat

WR1- Derrick Mason
WR2- Kenny Britt
Slot- Demetrius Williams on deep pass situations or when we want to stretch the field, and Mark Clayton for the shorter interdimediate routes.
WR4- Mark Clayton

Ravens1991
04-02-2009, 08:20 PM
I really think we overrated Dwill severly on this board. I think he can be a decent average to above average WR but I think at one point everyone on here thought he was going to be a pro bowler.

But I would like our WR core, Clayton,Britt,Dwill,Smith are all talented guys. Lets keep our fingers crossed that they develop

EdReedUnstoppable
04-02-2009, 08:33 PM
I really think we overrated Dwill severly on this board. I think he can be a decent average to above average WR but I think at one point everyone on here thought he was going to be a pro bowler.

But I would like our WR core, Clayton,Britt,Dwill,Smith are all talented guys. Lets keep our fingers crossed that they develop

I think had injuries not derailed him DWill would have taking a starting job away from Clayton.

Another guy we all forget about coming back is Justin Harper. I know he was on IR last year so thats not a good start, but he was a WR I was really excited for us to get. If we were to get DHB, or Britt, and then have DWill come back healthy and Marcus Smith find some semblance (spelling?) of playing WR, and Harper live to his potential and stay healthy, we could be very dangerous for years to come.

I mean a future WR team of DHB, DWill starting, with Clayton in the slot and Marcus Smith and Harper as your 4 and 5 could be deadly!!! Especially should Flacco progress and get more comfortable and play better and better.

Ravens1991
04-02-2009, 09:00 PM
ya Harper can be a red zone threat. I think he can be a good situational type player. I think Smith has potential he is a big strong player, but he is extremly raw, I think he can develop into a nice possesion WR but he also has a high bust potential.

lordquas
04-02-2009, 11:52 PM
1st: Kenny Britt WR
2nd: Phil Loadholt RT
3rd: Frantz Joseph ILB
4th: Kyle Moore DE
5th: Bernard Scott RB
6th: Tony Carter CB

No explanation needed.

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-03-2009, 07:17 AM
anyone know why the coaches are so high on Marcus Smith? The guy did absolutly nothing last year and didn't step up when Demetrius Williams went down. He dropped passes and all I can remember from his was 1 spectacular catch that was ruled a drop.

EdReedUnstoppable
04-03-2009, 09:28 AM
anyone know why the coaches are so high on Marcus Smith? The guy did absolutly nothing last year and didn't step up when Demetrius Williams went down. He dropped passes and all I can remember from his was 1 spectacular catch that was ruled a drop.

He didnt step up as a WR like I had hoped he would, but he was a very good special teamer.

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-03-2009, 10:20 AM
He didnt step up as a WR like I had hoped he would, but he was a very good special teamer.

true, but with all the playing time he got, I was suprise at how little production he had. As of now, I'm not to high on him, and I have Demetrius as the #3, with Clayton a #2 and Mason #1. We need a WR round 1 badly lol.

Ravens1991
04-03-2009, 11:45 AM
I dont remember any significant drops, I think he just had trouble getting open. We saw a lot of physical potential in him. Here is his scouting report from NFLDC of last year

Positives-Big strong, terrific ball skills and body control, soft reliable hands, adequate speed and quickness, decent after the catch. Is a fine blocker and still has upside

Weaknesses- Not very quick or explosive, may struggle to seperate, needs to work on routes, Not a finished product.

I think he can develop into a nice #4 possesion WR, but he did nothing as our #3, not even a catch. so don't count on him being a significant part in our passing game

Ravens1991
04-04-2009, 06:24 PM
Just another mock I threw together because I am really bored.

1st-Britt WR
2nd-Nelson TE
3rd-Ellerbe LB
4th-Barnes CB
5th-Shipley C
6th-Fiammetta FB
7th-Gano K

A Perfect Score
04-04-2009, 06:31 PM
Im representing the ravens in the final forum mock, I will make you all proud!

ccB
04-04-2009, 06:31 PM
Just another mock I threw together because I am really bored.

1st-Britt WR
2nd-Nelson TE
3rd-Ellerbe LB
4th-Barnes CB
5th-Shipley C
6th-Fiammetta FB
7th-Gano K
I would be thrilled with this draft, getting 3 of my favorite players (Britt, Nelson, and Barnes) or the one Lordquas posted on the previous page (though I am not as high as most on Loadholt)

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-04-2009, 06:33 PM
I really can't see us drafting a TE. We've already got 3 on the roster, I doubt we add another, unless we use Sypnewski as a HB/TE/FB kinda wierd hybrid.

Ravens1991
04-04-2009, 06:36 PM
ya I like Loadholt because he is enourmous and athletic. I think he would do good sitting behind Willie. But I think we can get 1 more year out of Willie then focus on RT next year. I amd really high on Ellerbe I think he can do well in our system. He is athletic mean and can blitz and can shed blockers well.

Also we get Flacco to legit weapons and a C that is like Matt Birk.

ccB
04-04-2009, 06:36 PM
I really can't see us drafting a TE. We've already got 3 on the roster, I doubt we add another, unless we use Sypnewski as a HB/TE/FB kinda wierd hybrid.

Quinn is the blocker, LJ is on a one year, and Heap has no long term value. Add to the fact that Ozzie wanted a TE early last year and didn't get it could easily = TE in rounds 1, 2, or 3.

Ravens1991
04-04-2009, 06:37 PM
I really can't see us drafting a TE. We've already got 3 on the roster, I doubt we add another, unless we use Sypnewski as a HB/TE/FB kinda wierd hybrid.

that is my theory, but Heap is at the end of his career, LJ sucks and Quinn is a blocker. I think Cameron would want a legit passing option at TE like he had w/ Gates. I think Nelson does that, him or Cook would fit our team as a pure reciever better then Pettigrew.

EdReedUnstoppable
04-05-2009, 05:11 PM
true, but with all the playing time he got, I was suprise at how little production he had. As of now, I'm not to high on him, and I have Demetrius as the #3, with Clayton a #2 and Mason #1. We need a WR round 1 badly lol.

No doubt, DWill is miles ahead of Smith as the #3 on the depth chart IMO.

Ravens1991
04-08-2009, 12:38 PM
does anyone have any faith in Smith becoming something? He didnt have a darn catch all season. Granted this was his 2nd or 3rd year at WR since he was a RB originally at college. he had that one OMG catch that was ruled incomplete against TEN. But I dont think we threw to him at all. I hope a coach can work on his routes so he can be open more.

America
04-08-2009, 06:51 PM
I don't think he'll ever develop into a consistent reliable target. But, he's a good special team player and a solid blocker, so he should be able to stick on the roster and get some snaps in every game.

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-09-2009, 06:55 AM
not a fan of Smith at all. He had way too much playing time and not enough production. I wish we used Todd Heap in the passing game as much as we used him. We use Heap is the wrong damn way!!

coordinator0
04-09-2009, 11:47 AM
not a fan of Smith at all. He had way too much playing time and not enough production. I wish we used Todd Heap in the passing game as much as we used him. We use Heap is the wrong damn way!!

We really didn't have another option as far as keeping a blocking TE in. I think Wilcox was hurt, but he couldn't block anyways so Heap was our best option. If Sypniewski stays healthy this year, we should see Heap come back a bit, but I don't think he's ever going to be great again.

BmoreBlackByrdz
04-09-2009, 11:54 AM
We really didn't have another option as far as keeping a blocking TE in. I think Wilcox was hurt, but he couldn't block anyways so Heap was our best option. If Sypniewski stays healthy this year, we should see Heap come back a bit, but I don't think he's ever going to be great again.

I still think he can be a reliable pass catcher for us. I know I'm in the minority here but if he wasn't asked to block so much his catching would improve dramaticaly.