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Shane P. Hallam
03-30-2009, 03:16 PM
Where: On this Forum

When: Later next week, likely April 10th+

Who: You, but only if you apply!

What: See Below!

I am currently taking applications for the Final Forum Mock. We are about done with free agency, have compensatory picks, and are ready for a final grand Forum Mock. For those of you who haven't seen a Forum Mock before, a few times a year we get together as a Forum and have a giant mock draft on this forum. This will be the last official one for this year and will include more realism in trades and such.

Differences from before, Not much. I think the last ones ran well, and any comments about it will be nice. I'm going to limit Co-GMs again unless people suggest they both want to be with each other. I will also reward flexibility for wanting to work with different teams, Co-GMing etc. I will also reward activity last yeah and doing some good things. So, some reputable posters may not get teams, and others I know will be active and try hard will. If you aren't flexible, don't expect to be involved if you ONLY can have that ONE team.

Honestly, if you want to work on a specific team, get one or two other fans who plan on applying and put each other in the category that you want to work with each other. That will help your chances.

Descriptions of positions

Head GM: Runs the team and gets input from all sides to make decisions.

Co-GMs: Work together to create a cohesive team. Any can make final decisions but NEED input from each other.

Assistant GMs: Gives input to Head GMs to make final decisions. May post picks, but need Heads approval first.

If you would like to participate, please fill out the application below and send it to nfldcForumMock@gmail.com.

Username:

Teams of Preference (please list 1 through 5):

Are there any other teams you would accept a position for?

Are there any teams you absolutely wouldn't accept a position for?

Why do you think you would be a good Head GM in this Forum Mock?

Would you accept a position as an Assistant or Co-GM? Why or Why not?

What other Official Forum Mocks have you been involved with?

We will likely be using mIRC for trading and discussion (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1571913). Do you have IRC and would you be willing to download/install for trading purposes?

Is there anyone else you would specifically like to/would work with?

Any other comments you'd like to add (why you would be good, etc).

Here are some of the details:

Trades: All trades will go through me. There will be a list of players who CANNOT be traded for each team. No “major” player will be traded unless it is indicated he is unhappy or what not. Providing a link that a player may be traded will likely result in it being accepted. This isn’t a fantasy draft, it is a mock draft. If your trade isn't accepted, don't ***** please as it makes my job harder. I also will limit younger players (rookies/second year player) trades.

Trade Submission: All trades will be submitted through IRC PM and possibly e-mail.

Missing Picks: I'm going to set a little longer time limit than usual, but I expect all GMs to be active and available. I am going to vet applicants a lot, so I hope that will help. I will not be a GM in this draft and I will make all picks if someone misses their time. I am not on 24/7, so the mock may have to wait. This will be a bit different than usual as I am readily unavailable from 7 AM-3:30 PM everyday, so it may take a tad longer than usual.

Rounds: The draft will be 7 rounds, using the official NFL draft order.

FAQ:

Q: What is this IRC? Are we using it?

Click on the link above. IRC is a chat client that a bunch of guys from NFLDC have been using and chatting in real time. For the Forum Mock, I'm test-piloting using it to discuss and submit trades. Picks will be on the Forum, but all trading will be in IRC. We will be at the #ForumMock channel.

Q: Do Team Leaders, Moderators, Head Moderators, and Admins still need to apply?

Yes, they do. Though I know many on reputation alone, I'd like an application from everyone for organization reasons along with team preference, etc.

Q: When will selections be?

Probably starting Friday, 4/10. The draft will likely last anywhere from 1-2 weeks.

Is this like the Fantasy Offseason?

No, it is not. There are no free agent signings. Any signing that happens in real life will be added to your roster. If a trade happens in real life and we can adjust, we will do so. I am going to do my very best to limit trades in this. I want a Forum MOCK (i.e. mocking the actual draft,) not a fantasy draft. Be prepared for this. If you just want to claim a team and just pick your draft picks, I would love you.

Will you have a team?

I will not have a team, I will be serving as the commish.

bored of education
03-30-2009, 03:26 PM
OMG hmmmmm Do I want in? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 7 rounder? Wow. I might like this !

Chucky
03-30-2009, 03:43 PM
Sent mine in. Yay. Im pretty excited

DiG
03-30-2009, 03:59 PM
app sent. whoot.

DJC
03-30-2009, 07:39 PM
sent

crabs to teh lions #1 if i get them

Shane P. Hallam
03-30-2009, 07:51 PM
Then I wouldn't count on getting them ;)

brat316
03-30-2009, 08:09 PM
One of these days i am gonna do this forum Mock.

Hines
03-30-2009, 08:21 PM
Sent mine in!

princefielder28
03-30-2009, 08:24 PM
App is in!

A Perfect Score
03-30-2009, 08:25 PM
Yay another forum mock!

CJSchneider
03-30-2009, 09:12 PM
Sent mine in.

scottyboy
03-30-2009, 09:20 PM
hey, remember when me and BOS badgered you about this last night Jbond? :D

BeerBaron
03-30-2009, 09:35 PM
Mine is sent. I'm glad I saw this haha....I have a bad habit of just using my CP a lot and not checking for new things. Probably the earliest along I've caught onto one of these, lol

RaiderNation
03-30-2009, 09:40 PM
Sent mine in, lets go Oakland!

Menardo75
03-30-2009, 10:12 PM
Just sent mine in looking forward to this all the time.

woodnick
03-30-2009, 11:01 PM
I'm down, and I'm sure I'm the only person asking for the Lions!

diabsoule
03-30-2009, 11:22 PM
just sent mine in.

Rob S
03-31-2009, 03:48 PM
I am going to send mine in soon

Paranoidmoonduck
03-31-2009, 03:48 PM
Signed. Sealed. Delivered.

Rjspartan
03-31-2009, 03:49 PM
edit delete
forget it

LonghornsLegend
03-31-2009, 03:51 PM
At work, sending mine in shortly, need to figure out what other alternative teams I'd take outside of Dallas.

JT Jag
03-31-2009, 04:17 PM
Application sent.

UKfan
03-31-2009, 04:25 PM
Application sent.

What he said.

Gay Ork Wang
03-31-2009, 04:29 PM
me in!!!!!

Eaglez.Fan
03-31-2009, 04:56 PM
me in!!!!!

I don't have the time this time around.

I guess round 2 will have to be put on hold.

Caddy
03-31-2009, 05:26 PM
Done Done Done Done Done.

Brothgar
03-31-2009, 06:04 PM
Application sent.

That's what she said...

Doesn't make sense?? it don't have to I'm beautiful.

Gay Ork Wang
03-31-2009, 06:12 PM
I don't have the time this time around.

I guess round 2 will have to be put on hold.
im gonna win again anyways

Brothgar
03-31-2009, 06:19 PM
I'm down, and I'm sure I'm the only person asking for the Lions!

Guess again :D

thetedginnshow
03-31-2009, 06:35 PM
Sent. Or I think so anyway.

LTgiants
03-31-2009, 06:36 PM
sent mine in

CT Bronco Fan
03-31-2009, 06:37 PM
signed up, can't wait for this.

jnew76
03-31-2009, 07:00 PM
Sent in my application... is there a phone interview? Do I need to wear a tie? J/K of course. Haven't done one of these in a while and looks like a lot of good GM's are applying... Should be outstanding.

By the way, when will team/GM's be announced?

Shane P. Hallam
03-31-2009, 08:29 PM
Sent in my application... is there a phone interview? Do I need to wear a tie? J/K of course. Haven't done one of these in a while and looks like a lot of good GM's are applying... Should be outstanding.

By the way, when will team/GM's be announced?

Probably on Saturday!

aNYtitan
03-31-2009, 09:35 PM
I wish I could guys, I love doing these things but idk, I'm going to Philly that weekend, will only be able to contact via email. Don't know whether to apply or not, considering I would need an assistant for the TENNESSEE TITANS!

Smokey Joe
03-31-2009, 09:48 PM
can I get a heads up if my e-mail went though? I think I might have exited too soon from my e-mail.

Shane P. Hallam
04-01-2009, 04:28 AM
You are fine Joe, it went through.

And remember to put your username on the e-mails. Some people didn't :P

Caddy
04-01-2009, 06:21 AM
You are fine Joe, it went through.

And remember to put your username on the e-mails. Some people didn't :P

I didn't put my name on my email Jbond. :(

Did you still get it?

thetedginnshow
04-01-2009, 04:13 PM
I put my username in the e-mail. I don't think I put it as the subject though. I think I gave a warm greeting.

Caddy
04-01-2009, 04:24 PM
I put my username in the e-mail. I don't think I put it as the subject though. I think I gave a warm greeting.

That's what I did.

Matthew Jones
04-02-2009, 11:48 PM
I decided to apply, but for me it's probably Patriots or bust. I don't think I'd do justice to another team.

woodnick
04-03-2009, 12:34 AM
Hey JBOND, the Lions traded #137 to Seattle as part of the Julian Peterson deal.

Paranoidmoonduck
04-03-2009, 03:28 AM
Hey JBOND, the Lions traded #137 to Seattle as part of the Julian Peterson deal.

Additionally, the Satele trade should be factored in. Miami gets Oakland's 4th and 6th, Oakland gets Miami's 4th.

dunagan15
04-03-2009, 04:19 AM
J bond, I love you. Another forum mock. Dun and Bos love again wahooooooo!!!

Shane P. Hallam
04-03-2009, 04:22 AM
Additionally, the Satele trade should be factored in. Miami gets Oakland's 4th and 6th, Oakland gets Miami's 4th.

Thanks, I'll add them in. NFL.com has the Cutler trade up, but not those two, ha.

DiG
04-03-2009, 06:47 AM
well cutler getting traded before this thing starts makes handling him a lot easier.

Splat
04-03-2009, 09:38 AM
OMG hmmmmm Do I want in? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 7 rounder? Wow. I might like this !

Have fun and good luck if you pick for the Chiefs I did two years ago it take like 15 years to do the whole draft.

ChezPower4
04-03-2009, 10:15 AM
Mine is in :D

Smokey
04-03-2009, 04:07 PM
One question and perhaps I overlooked it. Will compensatory selections be included?

BeerBaron
04-03-2009, 04:16 PM
One question and perhaps I overlooked it. Will compensatory selections be included?

I would imagine so. I believe they were last year during the final mock.

Matthew Jones
04-03-2009, 04:37 PM
They are. Check the draft order.

RaiderNation
04-03-2009, 05:17 PM
You forgot to give Miami Oaklands 6th round pick for the Satele trade.

Cicero
04-03-2009, 11:36 PM
I obviously don't have a lot of posts on here, but if you guys still don't have a Seattle GM I'll send in an application.

jayceheathman
04-04-2009, 01:03 AM
just sent it in.

Shane P. Hallam
04-04-2009, 10:06 AM
Last chance to apply! I am going to be deciding teams very soon!

Matthew Jones
04-04-2009, 10:39 AM
JBond, did you get my application?

Shane P. Hallam
04-04-2009, 11:53 AM
JBond, did you get my application?

If you sent it, I likely got it.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-04-2009, 12:12 PM
Sent mine in a while ago. Did you get it JBond?

Shane P. Hallam
04-04-2009, 01:07 PM
If you sent it, I likely got it.

I shall repeat ;)

I am working up some No Trade Lists. We should get started sometime this evening.

woodnick
04-04-2009, 01:15 PM
I shall repeat ;)

I am working up some No Trade Lists. We should get started sometime this evening.

sweetness, I'm pretty pysched to get started!

ChezPower4
04-04-2009, 01:17 PM
Can't ******* wait....

Shane P. Hallam
04-04-2009, 01:22 PM
I believe 50 People are involved, so many didn't get the team they wanted, and a few I had to Co GM with others for whatever reason. I hope everyone is fairly happy.

NGSeiler
04-04-2009, 01:22 PM
I'd love to participate, but the next few weeks are going to be crazy for me and I'd hate to make a commitment if I can't represent my team completely. I'm sure the Rams will be well handled by one of our other knowledgeable fans!!

woodnick
04-04-2009, 01:24 PM
I believe 50 People are involved, so many didn't get the team they wanted, and a few I had to Co GM with others for whatever reason. I hope everyone is fairly happy.

It should work well, if a couple of Co-GM's bump heads then it'll make it more realistic 'cuz front office and coaches dont always see eye to eye.

ChezPower4
04-04-2009, 01:35 PM
I believe 50 People are involved, so many didn't get the team they wanted, and a few I had to Co GM with others for whatever reason. I hope everyone is fairly happy.

When can we expect the teams GMs and so forth to be announced?

woodnick
04-04-2009, 01:36 PM
When can we expect the teams GMs and so forth to be announced?

as soon as you hook up with the girl in your avatar

ChezPower4
04-04-2009, 01:43 PM
as soon as you hook up with the girl in your avatar

Sounds good....calling her over right now lol

Dr. Gonzo
04-04-2009, 03:37 PM
I believe 50 People are involved, so many didn't get the team they wanted, and a few I had to Co GM with others for whatever reason. I hope everyone is fairly happy.

I talked you into doing this forum mock! I better at least get a co-gm spot.

CJSchneider
04-04-2009, 03:49 PM
I believe 50 People are involved, so many didn't get the team they wanted, and a few I had to Co GM with others for whatever reason. I hope everyone is fairly happy.

You are speaking in past-tense. When do you plan on posting the positions. I assume you have it set up already.

BeerBaron
04-04-2009, 05:44 PM
Good, good.......got the Bears.

Can't wait to put Cutler in at QB on my depth chart thread, lol

A Perfect Score
04-04-2009, 05:47 PM
lol yay! I got an assistant GM! This is the happiest day of my life!

Shane P. Hallam
04-04-2009, 05:52 PM
You are speaking in past-tense. When do you plan on posting the positions. I assume you have it set up already.

Yup, they are up, I just needed to do the No Trade Lists.

BeerBaron
04-04-2009, 06:12 PM
Depth Chart and Trade Block threads coming soon?

Shane P. Hallam
04-04-2009, 06:16 PM
Sorry bout that, was tying some loose ends. They are up now.

scottyboy
04-04-2009, 06:16 PM
I talked you into doing this forum mock! I better at least get a co-gm spot.

false, me and BOS did the badgering to start this!

I apologize, my lateness and failure to finish the No Trade Lists made this delayed :(

I only did half of the NFC, so my bad. kudos to JBond, once again

Menardo75
04-04-2009, 06:24 PM
Got the Niners :) can't wait.

Dr. Gonzo
04-04-2009, 06:25 PM
I have been foiled by JBond again. It hurts.

Shane P. Hallam
04-04-2009, 06:27 PM
I have been foiled by JBond again. It hurts.

Your application was incomplete.

Dr. Gonzo
04-04-2009, 06:28 PM
Your application was incomplete.

I just forgot to put what team I wanted. I thought that was pretty obvious. You can claim you left me out because of that all you want, we both know it is untrue.

woodnick
04-04-2009, 06:28 PM
If you want a Bengal, PM me. I'm open to trading basically any player or pick so let me know

DJC
04-04-2009, 06:36 PM
woohoo top 5 pick

My DC and trade block will be up once my assistant GM gets back to me.

rockio42
04-04-2009, 06:48 PM
SWEET I GOT THE RAMS!!! Thanks JBond

BrownsTown
04-04-2009, 07:38 PM
Cleveland Browns Trade Block:
Braylon Edwards - Early 2nd
Shaun Rogers - Late 2nd
Derek Anderson - Early 2nd
Brady Quinn -Late 1st
Kamerion Wimbley - Early 2nd

Send in offers! I'll take those picks or a combo of picks and players equal to that.

thetedginnshow
04-04-2009, 07:46 PM
If anyone wants to discuss stuff send me a PM or whatever but I won't be in 'til tomorrow.

Matthew Jones
04-04-2009, 08:05 PM
Ben Watson and Jarvis Green could be had from New England. PM/IM/something me with offers if you want. I've got my depth charts posted.

Matthew Jones
04-04-2009, 08:07 PM
Also, the Eagles have New England's regular fifth round pick as part of the Greg Lewis trade.

Smokey Joe
04-04-2009, 10:27 PM
The Chiefs are aggressively looking to move down.... are listening to all offers for the 3rd overall pick.

JT Jag
04-04-2009, 10:31 PM
I can't speak for my co-GM, but I say that everyone on the Jaguars is on the block for the right place, barring Maurice Drew.

Brothgar
04-04-2009, 10:41 PM
I can't speak for my co-GM, but I say that everyone on the Jaguars is on the block for the right place, barring Maurice Drew.

You mean any player not on the can't trade list.

diabsoule
04-04-2009, 11:32 PM
Saints are desperately wanting to move down in the first round.

We are looking for either a player or draft pick. All offers will be listened to.

JT Jag
04-04-2009, 11:50 PM
You mean any player not on the can't trade list.This. Plus a few players I added. See the Trade Block page for the full scoop.

BrownsTown
04-05-2009, 12:31 AM
Derek Anderson and Quinn are available for 2nd round picks. Better than anyone you'll get in this draft sans Freeman, Sanchez, or Stafford who will all begone by pick 20.

Ward
04-05-2009, 01:44 AM
I'll be representing the Cowboys on this one. I'll be on both IRC and AIM if people need to be in touch.

thetedginnshow
04-05-2009, 04:59 AM
Hey question. Do we absolutely have to use IRC for trade talks? If so, is there a reason behind that? I'm just wondering since I have a few people on AIM and personally I think it's easier to PM someone than boot up IRC.

Shane P. Hallam
04-05-2009, 07:42 AM
Hey question. Do we absolutely have to use IRC for trade talks? If so, is there a reason behind that? I'm just wondering since I have a few people on AIM and personally I think it's easier to PM someone than boot up IRC.

You can use whatever you want for trade talks. To submit trades, you do have to use IRC.

P-L
04-05-2009, 08:09 AM
I have no idea who I am going to take #1 overall. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'll take offers for the #20 overall pick. I'm willing to move up or down. I'm not at home right now, so I won't be on IRC until tonight or tomorrow morning.

Staubach12
04-05-2009, 08:30 AM
I'm representing the Titans. IRC, hit me up.

Caddy
04-05-2009, 09:58 AM
If anyone has any trade ideas for Tampa Bay feel free to PM or IRC chucky and I. As of this stage we are open to trading anyone not on the 'No Trade' list.

DiG
04-05-2009, 10:13 AM
Skins will be fielding offers for Campbell. Not sure yet if we are going to trade him or not but hit me up if you are interested. Love the kid just not a fan of his fit in the WCO.

BrownsTown
04-05-2009, 11:13 AM
Braylon is still movable! Any offer including a decent WR would be helpful too.

Hines
04-05-2009, 11:36 AM
Willing to trade my first round pick. Anyone with interest, PM the Steelers.

Bosanac01
04-05-2009, 12:41 PM
Hey question. Do we absolutely have to use IRC for trade talks? If so, is there a reason behind that? I'm just wondering since I have a few people on AIM and personally I think it's easier to PM someone than boot up IRC.

www.gamesurge.net/chat

easier, don't have to download.

DJC
04-05-2009, 04:44 PM
The Seahawks have updated their Trade Block (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1581148&#post1581148).

Caddy
04-05-2009, 06:54 PM
Tampa Bay is keen to trade down from #19. Not asking for incredible compensation either.

CC.SD
04-06-2009, 01:27 AM
Just got back from camping, happy to rep the Bolts.

P-L
04-06-2009, 09:26 AM
If anyone has PMed me, I will try and get back to you after class. Sorry for the delay.

ChezPower4
04-06-2009, 11:20 AM
Just got back from camping, happy to rep the Bolts.

I miss camping :(

Shane P. Hallam
04-06-2009, 02:37 PM
Are there any teams that we haven't had contact with? I feel like all 32 have popped in at least once.

Only possible one is the Pats? Have people talked to them?

DiG
04-06-2009, 02:42 PM
Are there any teams that we haven't had contact with? I feel like all 32 have popped in at least once.

Only possible one is the Pats? Have people talked to them?

yea. he told me he wasnt looking to make many moves other than drafting unless on draft day someone dropped that he really wanted to move up for.

BeerBaron
04-06-2009, 02:50 PM
I don't think you have to worry about RoP and the Pats. He was very active in the previous mock, I can vouch for him.

Shane P. Hallam
04-06-2009, 02:53 PM
I don't think you have to worry about RoP and the Pats. He was very active in the previous mock, I can vouch for him.

He can be very manic.

BeerBaron
04-06-2009, 02:55 PM
He can be very manic.

Hmm well, I think it'll be ok.

thetedginnshow
04-06-2009, 04:08 PM
Anyone that wants to discuss trades a little faster feel free to AIM me.

P-L
04-06-2009, 04:17 PM
I just wanted to say that I no longer have any interest in trading up at the moment. I am still willing to deal down.

Matthew Jones
04-06-2009, 04:23 PM
yea. he told me he wasnt looking to make many moves other than drafting unless on draft day someone dropped that he really wanted to move up for.

This is correct. Because I'm taking over the Patriots, I'm more looking to build up depth and maybe get a couple starters through the draft. My team is old enough as it is, I don't need to be trading for players. I also want to keep the core of my team intact.

I don't think you have to worry about RoP and the Pats. He was very active in the previous mock, I can vouch for him.

Thanks!

He can be very manic.

Speaking of which, first meeting with Social Worker #8 in a couple hours. Forgot about that, thanks for reminding me! ;)

EDIT: By the way, I did post a depth chart, etc.

CJSchneider
04-06-2009, 04:31 PM
Sadly, my co-GM is serving a one week suspension. That being said, please send me any inquiries about trades, draft selections, etc. regarding the 49ers. I will try to be in IRC later tonight. Thank you.

Dr. Gonzo
04-06-2009, 05:18 PM
As an outside viewer of this forum mock the Anthony Herrera trade looks pretty brutal from the Vikings standpoint. He was just signed to a big extension so there would be a fairy decent cap hit and he has been tremendous for the team.

djp
04-06-2009, 05:56 PM
Whoever is running the Vikings is doing a piss poor job. We're trying to upgrade the OL, not get crappy replacements.

Moving laterally in that regard. Plus as Gonzo said we just signed Herrera to an extension so trading him seems unlikely at best

No offense.

Not to mention Shiancoe was one of the best TEs in the NFL the last half of the season and Leonard Pope is terrible

marshallb
04-06-2009, 06:18 PM
Whoever is running the Vikings is doing a piss poor job. We're trying to upgrade the OL, not get crappy replacements.

Moving laterally in that regard. Plus as Gonzo said we just signed Herrera to an extension so trading him seems unlikely at best

No offense.

Not to mention Shiancoe was one of the best TEs in the NFL the last half of the season and Leonard Pope is terrible

I have to agree with this, it is all a bunch of sideways moves, not improving, but not degressing. We traded a lot of lower picks for a bunch of average replacements for our crappy linemen. We also traded a couple valuable depth players at DE in Robison and Udeze. Along with the TE trade like djp said. He basically created 2 needs without really filling a need. I suppose you could argue he filled our o-line need, but he just swapped crappy for average at best. It seems like the GM is just making moves to make moves.

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 06:35 PM
I have to agree with this, it is all a bunch of sideways moves, not improving, but not degressing. We traded a lot of lower picks for a bunch of average replacements for our crappy linemen. We also traded a couple valuable depth players at DE in Robison and Udeze. Along with the TE trade like djp said. He basically created 2 needs without really filling a need. I suppose you could argue he filled our o-line need, but he just swapped crappy for average at best. It seems like the GM is just making moves to make moves.

I resent this statement I improved your all time ****** right side of the oline that's what i have been trying to do this entire time. So ya i traded for 2 good Olinemen While only giving up picks and Brian Robison who i didnt want to give up but for the sake of your horrible oline I did. I didnt create a need at TE at all Shiancoe isn't as great just cause you overpaid for him in fa doesnt make him good I know this cause i watched him play since the beginning of his career. Wait till the draft is over before you judge. How is Jeremey Trueblood and Kyle Kosier average?

You are complaining about Kenechi Udeze? Really? The guy is a all time bust the fact i got anything for him is amazing

If you questions about what I did you should have just send me a message before trying to blast me without understanding my point of view. Especially when this thing has just begun.

Leonard Pope still has potential so you never know maybe a change of scenery can help him

Anthony Herrera? since when is Anthony Herrera a good player where you act like I trade a all pro

redbills
04-06-2009, 06:36 PM
Trueblood was a good trade other than that, eh

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 06:42 PM
Trueblood was a good trade other than that, eh

i have no oline men so if i have 2 loose a backup DE 2 get a starter I will. If i can trade a overrated TE while picking up picks which u haven't seen who i get yet and a young TE i think its good. At least look at the final product before you judge.

Caddy
04-06-2009, 06:43 PM
I think the Trueblood trade was fair LT. He is a solid starter and a 3rd/4th is appropriate compensation for that.

Plus now we can allow Jeremy Zuttah to START (<------ He is starting now SCOTTYBOY!!!)

Dr. Gonzo
04-06-2009, 06:52 PM
i have no oline men so if i have 2 loose a backup DE 2 get a starter I will. If i can trade a overrated TE while picking up picks which u haven't seen who i get yet and a young TE i think its good. At least look at the final product before you judge.

You traded away an above average RG for pretty much nothing. I know you think the right side of the Vikings line is god awful but I have to question why you think that. I just did not understand that trade. Also, I have no idea who is overrating Shiancoe. He has a ridiculous contract that if traded will result in a big cap hit. I don't think anyone is saying he is a great TE.

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 07:12 PM
You traded away an above average RG for pretty much nothing. I know you think the right side of the Vikings line is god awful but I have to question why you think that. I just did not understand that trade. Also, I have no idea who is overrating Shiancoe. He has a ridiculous contract that if traded will result in a big cap hit. I don't think anyone is saying he is a great TE.

you guys cant look at cap in this type of thing this thing doesn't involve cap I am not making moves cause of cap its talent based look if u and any other viking fan want to take this further why I did what I did and why I plan to do what I do pm me go on irc and we can talk about ill show what i am thinking 100%

why is your right side god awful? your starting John Sullivan, Ryan cook, and guys like Anthony Herrera and Artis hicks. if that's is your right side that is really bad. Kosier and Trueblood are significant improvements over what you Minnesota was starting at the beginning. So if I have to give up picks and Brian Robison( who though he is good its not like with him you don't have needs on DL) or guys like Kenechi Udeze or a Anthony Herrera to improve the team that actually is a good thing.

Besides I am not done I still I am looking to make moves and I have the draft so you cant judge until you see the Finished Product but if you or any viking fan want to talk more about What I am doing or should do don't hesitate to pm or go on irc.

Dr. Gonzo
04-06-2009, 07:18 PM
you guys cant look at cap in this type of thing this thing doesn't involve cap I am not making moves cause of cap its talent based look if u and any other viking fan want to take this further why I did what I did and why I plan to do what I do pm me go on irc and we can talk about ill show what i am thinking 100%

why is your right side god awful? your starting John Sullivan, Ryan cook, and guys like Anthony Herrera and Artis hicks. if that's is your right side that is really bad. Kosier and Trueblood are significant improvements over what you Minnesota was starting at the beginning. So if I have to give up picks and Brian Robison( who though he is good its not like with him you don't have needs on DL) or guys like Kenechi Udeze or a Anthony Herrera to improve the team that actually is a good thing.

Besides I am not done I still I am looking to make moves and I have the draft so you cant judge until you see the Finished Product but if you or any viking fan want to talk more about What I am doing or should do don't hesitate to pm or go on irc.

Fair enough. I am not judging. Herrera is not bad at all and the staff has a lot of faith in Sullivan which is why they let Birk go.

Paranoidmoonduck
04-06-2009, 07:21 PM
As an outside viewer of this forum mock the Anthony Herrera trade looks pretty brutal from the Vikings standpoint. He was just signed to a big extension so there would be a fairy decent cap hit and he has been tremendous for the team.

Shh. That trade was totally fair...

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 07:21 PM
Fair enough. I am not judging. Herrera is not bad at all and the staff has a lot of faith in Sullivan which is why they let Birk go.

Look if u feel I made a mistake on Herrera fine I respect that I don't really agree but i respect it. Like I said you or any viking fan want to tell me their opinion PM me here on Irc and I will gladly talk about what i am doing with you.

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 07:22 PM
Shh. That trade was totally fair...

lol ....http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

marshallb
04-06-2009, 07:23 PM
Ryan Cook is horrible, but Herrera is quite good. Trueblood is ok, but Kosier is no better than Herrera imo. Shiancoe isn't great, but he played quite good at the end of last year, and in the NFL, almost no one will want to take his contract. Pope on the other hand is terrible. You made a lot of moves, but didn't get far. Losing Robison, Herrera, Udeze and picks 86, 221, 231 to get Sims, Kosier, Trueblood, Pope, John Wade, and picks 167, 216, 240. Looks like we downgraded at DE, OG, TE, and picks to get a backup C and an upgrade at RT. Doesn't look like much of an improvement, but I'll wait until the end of the draft to say anything more like you said.

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 07:36 PM
Ryan Cook is horrible, but Herrera is quite good. Trueblood is ok, but Kosier is no better than Herrera imo. Shiancoe isn't great, but he played quite good at the end of last year, and in the NFL, almost no one will want to take his contract. Pope on the other hand is terrible. You made a lot of moves, but didn't get far. Losing Robison, Herrera, Udeze and picks 86, 221, 231 to get Sims, Kosier, Trueblood, Pope, John Wade, and picks 167, 216, 240. Looks like we downgraded at DE, OG, TE, and picks to get a backup C and an upgrade at RT. Doesn't look like much of an improvement, but I'll wait until the end of the draft to say anything more like you said.

Like i said before Contracts don't matter in this. I guess you guys think Herrera is good cause quite frankly you have nothing on his side of the line but Kosier is clearly better then him i think that part of what you said is crazy. Kosier is a upgrade. Losing Robison and the 3rd I gave for Trueblood is the only thing I can say we lost. Pope can easily be as good as shiancoe its not that much of a downgrade as your making it seem Pope still has alot of potential and is young. I don't want to say more cause I don't want to show my whole plan here but if you and any viking fan who wants to continue this pm me here or on irc or im me whatever you want to do and I will gladly talk it out with you.

marshallb
04-06-2009, 07:39 PM
Like i said before Contracts don't matter in this. I guess you guys think Herrera is good cause quite frankly you have nothing on his side of the line. Kosier is clearly better then him i think that part of what you said is crazy. Losing Robison and the 3rd I gave for Trueblood is the only thing I can say we lost. Pope can easily be as good as shiancoe its not that much of a downgrade as your making it seem Pope still has alot of potential and is young. I don't want to say more cause I don't want to show my whole plan here but if you and any viking fan who wants to continue this pm me here or on irc or im me whatever you want to do and I will gladly talk it out with you.

I had started writing that before you posted at 7:12, but I still stand by everything, and if you will, please PM me with a little bit of your plan.

RaiderNation
04-06-2009, 07:43 PM
If any1 is interested in trading up into the top 10 contact me. The #7 pick is on the block, so if FS Michael Huff too

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 07:43 PM
I had started writing that before you posted at 7:12, but I still stand by everything, and if you will, please PM me with a little bit of your plan.

pm me cause i haven't been able to send out pms today only respond for some weird reason

Dr. Gonzo
04-06-2009, 07:47 PM
Last thing, Kosier is not clearly better than Herrera :(

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 07:49 PM
Last thing, Kosier is clearly better than Herrera

ya i agree

marshallb
04-06-2009, 07:57 PM
I sent you the PM and I also have to disagree on Kosier/Herrera, if you watched a number of Vikings games last year, you'd know how good Herrera is.

LTgiants
04-06-2009, 08:00 PM
I sent you the PM and I also have to disagree on Kosier/Herrera, if you watched a number of Vikings games last year, you'd know how good Herrera is.

I have watched as much of Kosier as you have Herrera and I prefer Kosier but agree 2 disagree cant get herrera back you guys have to get over it.

BeerBaron
04-07-2009, 04:56 PM
Some of those trades are kinda blah by me.....especially the interdivision one with the Browns and Ravens.

A Perfect Score
04-07-2009, 05:03 PM
Browns and Ravens have been known to trade in the past, it isnt unhead of...Its much more likely to happen then us trading with the Bengals or Steelers.

diabsoule
04-07-2009, 05:25 PM
Saints - Desperately seeking safety help.

princefielder28
04-07-2009, 06:19 PM
Justin Harrell has been added to the Packers' block

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 08:15 PM
I have watched as much of Kosier as you have Herrera and I prefer Kosier but agree 2 disagree cant get herrera back you guys have to get over it.
I don't know a lick about Herrera... but Kosier is a pathetic NFL starter. Lions fans warned me, but I said Parcells knows what he's doing. Yeah right. My fat eye. Outside of Columbo, Parcells killed the Cowboys with his OL recommendations... Kosier, Marco Rivera, Ryan Young, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Rob Pettiti, EJ Whitney, Corey Procter... blah blah blah.. yuck yuck yuck.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 08:17 PM
I don't know a lick about Herrera... but Kosier is a pathetic NFL starter. Lions fans warned me, but I said Parcells knows what he's doing. Yeah right. My fat eye. Outside of Columbo, Parcells killed the Cowboys with his OL recommendations... Kosier, Marco Rivera, Ryan Young, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Rob Pettiti, EJ Whitney, Corey Procter... blah blah blah.. yuck yuck yuck.

Kosier isnt a pathetic NFL starter he is solid and better then what was here.

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 08:35 PM
Kosier isnt a pathetic NFL starter he is solid and better then what was here.
Oh sorry. Kosier is a pathetic starter by Dallas Cowboy standards. You're right... other NFL teams would love him.

He'll never start another game in Dallas unless an injury happens. Montrae Holland is penciled in above him and Procter just got an extension. I wouldn't doubt if we addressed that position rather high in the draft either.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 08:39 PM
Oh sorry. Kosier is a pathetic starter by Dallas Cowboy standards. You're right... other NFL teams would love him.

He'll never start another game in Dallas unless an injury happens. Montrae Holland is penciled in above him and Procter just got an extension. I wouldn't doubt if we addressed that position rather high in the draft either.

If Montrae holland and Procter are good starters that says something about Cowboy standards. Anyway after cheap shot at Cowboys Kosier is a solid Linemen who for this team is a upgrade. He is a starter now but will he continue to be a starter? oooo foreshadowing or is it? wait and see you will never know.

djp
04-07-2009, 08:53 PM
If Montrae holland and Procter are good starters that says something about Cowboy standards. Anyway after cheap shot at Cowboys Kosier is a solid Linemen who for this team is a upgrade. He is a starter now but will he continue to be a starter? oooo foreshadowing or is it? wait and see you will never know.

He's not an upgrade at starter. Stop trying to claim that. How many Vikings games did you watch? 2 or 3 maybe? I watched all 16 and probably half the Cowboys games and Herrera is miles better than Kosier.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 08:59 PM
He's not an upgrade at starter. Stop trying to claim that. How many Vikings games did you watch? 2 or 3 maybe? I watched all 16 and probably half the Cowboys games and Herrera is miles better than Kosier.

I watched as many cowboy games as you if not more. Herrera is not miles better then anyone especially not Kosier. I rather have Kosier and Wade plus a pick then Herrera.

Hines
04-07-2009, 09:12 PM
Kosier would probably start in Pittsburgh.......

Caddy
04-07-2009, 09:14 PM
Kosier would probably start in Pittsburgh.......

He wouldn't start in Tampa Bay!

scottyboy
04-07-2009, 09:14 PM
Kosier would probably start in Pittsburgh.......

yea, considering you just traded me your starting RG for a 5th round pick!

Hines
04-07-2009, 09:46 PM
yea, considering you just traded me your starting RG for a 5th round pick!

I meant in real life. But I have better options than Stapleton.

Staubach12
04-08-2009, 01:02 AM
Who wants to trade into the bottom of the 1st from their second?

LTgiants
04-08-2009, 01:06 AM
#22 is on the block looking 2 trade down

Staubach12
04-08-2009, 01:14 AM
#22 is on the block looking 2 trade down

#30 is better

LTgiants
04-08-2009, 01:19 AM
#30 is better

um... how?

RaiderNation
04-08-2009, 01:45 AM
um... how?

You dont have to give up as much, and there is a chance your "player" could still be their

thule
04-08-2009, 08:43 PM
He's not an upgrade at starter. Stop trying to claim that. How many Vikings games did you watch? 2 or 3 maybe? I watched all 16 and probably half the Cowboys games and Herrera is miles better than Kosier.

Not trying to get into this debate althought maybe I should...but Koiser only played like 5 games all year haha.

woodnick
04-08-2009, 08:54 PM
Not trying to get into this debate althought maybe I should...but Koiser only played like 5 games all year haha.

yeah, according to NFL.com he only played in 3:

http://www.nfl.com/players/kylekosier/profile?id=KOS280777

thule
04-08-2009, 09:00 PM
yeah, according to NFL.com he only played in 3:

http://www.nfl.com/players/kylekosier/profile?id=KOS280777

He got hurt in week 2...then came back in the middle of the season and played a half before he was hurt haha....so I highly doubt anyone could judge him from playing last year lol...which is why I posted...however he has been the weakest link on our line in the past. But we also have an above average OL...and they don't play as good without him inthere....take it for what it's worth.

scottyboy
04-08-2009, 09:31 PM
well, I can say that I saw Herrera play once and Kosier once of twice and I can safely say that I can have no valid point or opinion between the 2 in this debate.

Matthew Jones
04-08-2009, 10:10 PM
Can we shut up about Kyle Kosier? It's really not a big deal.

Geo
04-08-2009, 10:21 PM
News and Rumors

-There are rumors abound that Julius Peppers is on his way out of Carolina for no less than a first round selection. Peppers has made it known that he wants to play in a 3-4 defense, but is that where he will be going? Possible suitors include Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Dallas, or maybe even Buffalo.

Mel Kiper's Mock Draft!
27. Indianapolis Colts Ron Brace NT/Boston College
Kiper must have inhaled way too much of his industrial hair spray, when it comes to the Colts.

BeerBaron
04-08-2009, 10:21 PM
Can we shut up about Kyle Kosier? It's really not a big deal.

I know....I was reading through this and was thinking "who the hell seriously cares this much about Kyle Kosier or Anthony Herrera?"

99% of fans wouldn't even notice if both of these guys just vanished from the league right now.

P-L
04-09-2009, 08:59 AM
Yeah, Vikings fans have no business telling LT how good or a bad job he did. No Vikings fans applied for the position. It's pretty ****** to come in and tell someone else he did a bad job, when you obviously didn't care enough to apply for the team. Don't like what a non-fan has done to your team? Then you be the GM next time.

Shane P. Hallam
04-09-2009, 09:04 AM
Yup, only Vikings fan who applied I tried to pair him with LT so the two could work together and achieve pretty well. He then quit. Honestly, this is some lower level stuff and things that could happen if the staff liked Kosier. Is it really a huge deal?

marshallb
04-09-2009, 09:06 AM
Yeah, Vikings fans have no business telling LT how good or a bad job he did. No Vikings fans applied for the position. It's pretty ****** to come in and tell someone else he did a bad job, when you obviously didn't care enough to apply for the team. Don't like what a non-fan has done to your team? Then you be the GM next time.

That's not even true, several Vikings fans applied, not including myself as I didn't get my application in on time, although I had planned on applying. There even was a Vikings fan as an assistant, but he and LT couldn't see eye to eye on things so he dropped out. No offense to JBond, but it wasn't our fault that we weren't the GM.(other than mine) At least there were a few Vikings fans that said they had applied, and if they lied or whatever, then I am sorry about this.

Rob S
04-09-2009, 09:12 AM
#6 is firmly on the block. PM me

Shane P. Hallam
04-09-2009, 09:13 AM
That's not even true, several Vikings fans applied, not including myself as I didn't get my application in on time, although I had planned on applying. There even was a Vikings fan as an assistant, but he and LT couldn't see eye to eye on things so he dropped out. No offense to JBond, but it wasn't our fault that we weren't the GM.(other than mine) At least there were a few Vikings fans that said they had applied, and if they lied or whatever, then I am sorry about this.

Zod was the only one who sent an appropriate application in on time.

marshallb
04-09-2009, 09:16 AM
BTW, no it's not a huge deal, and if you look back, the people that were carrying this conversation on for the last page and almost a half are non-Vikings fans.

marshallb
04-09-2009, 09:18 AM
Zod was the only one who sent an appropriate application in on time.

OK, if this is true, then I am sorry about that, there were at least a couple of Vikings fans that said that they had applied.

ChezPower4
04-09-2009, 11:12 AM
Peppers needs a new home. Hit me up on IRC or PM if interested.

LTgiants
04-09-2009, 11:57 AM
That's not even true, several Vikings fans applied, not including myself as I didn't get my application in on time, although I had planned on applying. There even was a Vikings fan as an assistant, but he and LT couldn't see eye to eye on things so he dropped out. No offense to JBond, but it wasn't our fault that we weren't the GM.(other than mine) At least there were a few Vikings fans that said they had applied, and if they lied or whatever, then I am sorry about this.

I spoke to zod all of once and we had no problem that I know about so me and him having a falling out is news to me.

Dr. Gonzo
04-09-2009, 12:49 PM
Zod was the only one who sent an appropriate application in on time.

I had my application in a day before the names were announced sir. I did forget to write that I wanted to be the GM of the Vikings but I am pretty sure everyone knows I am a Vikings fan. You nailed me on a technicality!!! We will be mortal enemies for life it seems.

RaiderNation
04-09-2009, 01:04 PM
#7 is on the block. We are looking for players and picks. PM me.

gpngc
04-09-2009, 01:16 PM
Well I'm here for Seattle but DJC never gave me the green light to go ahead and pick for him. I'm not really sure what he'd want to do in this situation.

BeerBaron
04-09-2009, 01:17 PM
Wait....the Browns are up AND Curry is on the board? Holy balls that seems like a no brainer.

BrownsTown
04-09-2009, 01:20 PM
Well I'm here for Seattle but DJC never gave me the green light to go ahead and pick for him. I'm not really sure what he'd want to do in this situation.

I would just go ahead and pick.

Also #5 IS ON THE BLOCK PEOPLE.

That could be Aaron Curry. Let's hear those offers.

redbills
04-09-2009, 01:21 PM
I hate that Bills trade

Cicero
04-09-2009, 01:30 PM
Well I'm here for Seattle but DJC never gave me the green light to go ahead and pick for him. I'm not really sure what he'd want to do in this situation.

Do what you would want to do!!!!

Brothgar
04-09-2009, 01:36 PM
Sent a BB to JBond. But give me like 15 minutes to make my pick. If it comes up after 9 pm then I won't be around and JBond can make my pick for me.

RaiderNation
04-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Is their anytime limit for picks? Because its been almost 2 hours on this one pick

woodnick
04-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Is their anytime limit for picks? Because its been almost 2 hours on this one pick

If I'm not mistaken the time limit in the 1st round is 2 hours.

marshallb
04-09-2009, 02:44 PM
I spoke to zod all of once and we had no problem that I know about so me and him having a falling out is news to me.

I am just going by what he has posted in the Vikings board. Here is the exact post that he had, along with the link. I just removed myself from the forum mock draft. I got assigned assitant to the vikings. Unfortunatly me and the vikes GM could not see eye to eye. Link: http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24755&page=9



BTW, I am not trying to start anything, just backing up what I said.

Matthew Jones
04-09-2009, 02:47 PM
Wow, the Browns got a steal there. Terrible pick by the Chiefs in my opinion as well. They have a guy at left tackle who they just took in the first round last year, he comes in and plays extremely well there as a rookie, then they already want him to move to guard...where they have a Pro Bowl quality left guard who's been starting since 2001, and who allowed only one sack last year. Neither Monroe nor Albert projects well to right tackle, either. So you basically drafted a right guard last year in the top 15? Or is that a right tackle #3 overall this year? With a defense that bad, I'd have thought Curry would be a no-brainer. Props to the Lions, Rams, and Seahawks, though.

LTgiants
04-09-2009, 02:48 PM
I am just going by what he has posted in the Vikings board. Here is the exact post that he had, along with the link. Link: http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24755&page=9



BTW, I am not trying to start anything, just backing up what I said.

wow all i said is I was considering a guy not that i was going 2 pick him 100%. He didn't tell me anything that he disagreed with me so I don't know what his problem was that he just upped and quit. 2nd the hate you guys are putting on me in that thread http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif

CC.SD
04-09-2009, 03:15 PM
oh man, drama.

Bosanac01
04-09-2009, 04:56 PM
the speed of the draft process is pissing me off.

gpngc
04-09-2009, 04:58 PM
I am hoping and praying Tim Ruskell thinks like DJC and I on draft day...

RaiderNation
04-09-2009, 05:02 PM
I am hoping and praying Tim Ruskell thinks like DJC and I on draft day...

Waste a high draft pick on something you dont need? You should have went Aaron Curry their with Peterson gone. Or trade back for a OT

Staubach12
04-09-2009, 05:03 PM
the speed of the draft process is pissing me off.

Me too. This is ridiculous...

gpngc
04-09-2009, 05:08 PM
Waste a high draft pick on something you dont need? You should have went Aaron Curry their with Peterson gone. Or trade back for a OT

Bitter because you didn't get the best player in the draft at #7?

We don't need a LB at all either...

Overreacting based on "need" is what hurts teams every year. ESPECIALLY with Monroe off the board Crabtree is the best pick.

We may have a solid receiving corps on paper for NEXT YEAR, but that's not what the draft is about.

Housh and Branch are both on the wrong side of 30 and Branch and Burleson can't stay healthy. We have no young WR on the roster worth anything.

Building for the future, taking a player like Crabtree supercedes "need" absolutely.

In real life, the main reason we probably won't take Crabtree is the financial ramifications, something non-existent in a forum mock game.

CJSchneider
04-09-2009, 05:09 PM
the speed of the draft process is pissing me off.

And I thought miss the pick.

RaiderNation
04-09-2009, 05:24 PM
Bitter because you didn't get the best player in the draft at #7?

We don't need a LB at all either...

Overreacting based on "need" is what hurts teams every year. ESPECIALLY with Monroe off the board Crabtree is the best pick.

We may have a solid receiving corps on paper for NEXT YEAR, but that's not what the draft is about.

Housh and Branch are both on the wrong side of 30 and Branch and Burleson can't stay healthy. We have no young WR on the roster worth anything.

Building for the future, taking a player like Crabtree supercedes "need" absolutely.

In real life, the main reason we probably won't take Crabtree is the financial ramifications, something non-existent in a forum mock game.

Sure I would have loved to have Crabtree at #7. But NT is probably our bigger need right now since we allready have a bunch of young WR's.

I thought this should be a realistic mock since Jbond is accepting/declining trades based on if it would really happen. If you were trying to say that you drafted him based on your WR's age, why would you sign TJ to a $40 million deal? He is only making them older.

When you have the best player in the draft(IMO), on the board that could make your defense that much better, you should draft him. You are trusting injury prone D.D. Lewis to become your OLB inplace of a pro bowl type LB that gets you 10+ sacks almost every year.

If I were the GM Id do:
1 Draft Curry
2 Trade Down
3 Draft Mark Sanchez
4 Draft Crabtree
5 Draft Andre Smith

Brothgar
04-09-2009, 05:30 PM
Bitter because you didn't get the best player in the draft at #7?

We don't need a LB at all either...

Overreacting based on "need" is what hurts teams every year. ESPECIALLY with Monroe off the board Crabtree is the best pick.

We may have a solid receiving corps on paper for NEXT YEAR, but that's not what the draft is about.

Housh and Branch are both on the wrong side of 30 and Branch and Burleson can't stay healthy. We have no young WR on the roster worth anything.

Building for the future, taking a player like Crabtree supercedes "need" absolutely.

In real life, the main reason we probably won't take Crabtree is the financial ramifications, something non-existent in a forum mock game.

He's bitter cuz he didn't get Stafford at #7? :confused:

Well with the jettisoning of Peterson it is very possible that Curry could be the pick.

gpngc
04-09-2009, 05:32 PM
Sure I would have loved to have Crabtree at #7. But NT is probably our bigger need right now since we allready have a bunch of young WR's.

I thought this should be a realistic mock since Jbond is accepting/declining trades based on if it would really happen. If you were trying to say that you drafted him based on your WR's age, why would you sign TJ to a $40 million deal? He is only making them older.

When you have the best player in the draft(IMO), on the board that could make your defense that much better, you should draft him. You are trusting injury prone D.D. Lewis to become your OLB inplace of a pro bowl type LB that gets you 10+ sacks almost every year.

If I were the GM Id do:
1 Draft Curry
2 Trade Down
3 Draft Mark Sanchez
4 Draft Crabtree
5 Draft Andre Smith

We got rid of JP because his contract was backloaded and he was declining. Basically, we didn't want to pay three LBs big money.

That's exactly what we'd be doing if we drafted Curry.

D.D. Lewis is injury prone? When? We went to the Super Bowl with D.D. Lewis. He'll be a fine WLB especially considering we have two pro-bowl caliber youngsters next to him.

We never discussed Sanchez so I assumed DJC wasn't really considering him.

People were rushing him to make the pick so he made the pick. I'm sure he would have loved to trade down.

Aiming for realism is fine, but how the heck do we know what the Seahawks would do in this probably unlikely scenario (Monroe gone)?

We didn't draft him based on our WRs age. We don't need an excuse to draft the BEST PLAYER ON OUR BOARD lol. We drafted him because he was the best player on our board- staying true to your board and not picking based on need is extremely important... the reasons I gave you about our WRs was just to further emphasize that it was a good pick.

gpngc
04-09-2009, 05:34 PM
He's bitter cuz he didn't get Stafford at #7? :confused:

Well with the jettisoning of Peterson it is very possible that Curry could be the pick.

It is actually next to impossible. The MAIN reason JP was let go was because they didn't want to pay three LBs (in a 4-3 btw) BIG money. Which is exactly what would happen if they drafted Curry.

Matthew Jones
04-09-2009, 05:35 PM
Housh and Branch are both on the wrong side of 30 and Branch and Burleson can't stay healthy.

Branch is 29. Also, let me say that the level of infighting during this draft process thus far has been ridiculous.

gpngc
04-09-2009, 05:39 PM
Branch is 29. Also, let me say that the level of infighting during this draft process thus far has been ridiculous.

He'll be 30 when the season starts and has had about every injury you could have in a span of 1.5 years.

DiG
04-09-2009, 05:43 PM
I'm at dinner. One person text me when I go on the clock. Don't call me.

CJSchneider
04-09-2009, 06:13 PM
Anyone interested in moving up to #10 can PM me or go to IRC. I'm in #forummock.

princefielder28
04-09-2009, 06:23 PM
Also, let me say that the level of infighting during this draft process thus far has been ridiculous.

It is pathetic. If someone makes a move/pick that is their choice, not yours. If you want to comment about it or make a big deal about talk in IRC.

I sent Dirty Thirty a message.

Dam8610
04-09-2009, 07:17 PM
So no one else cries if they trade up:

IF YOU TRADE UP IN ROUND ONE, YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO TRADE BACK DOWN.

draftguru151
04-09-2009, 07:24 PM
Everyone can thank dirty30 for ruining everything!

thetedginnshow
04-09-2009, 07:25 PM
http://ballersnetwork.com/p/en/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/rubio_651.jpg

We could all have one.

Brothgar
04-09-2009, 07:53 PM
I 'm here pick will be up soon.

Brothgar
04-09-2009, 07:54 PM
Meh never mind pick made for me.

Shane P. Hallam
04-09-2009, 07:55 PM
You want to make it broth or was that fine? My bad, thought you were gone.

Brothgar
04-09-2009, 07:56 PM
You want to make it broth or was that fine? My bad, thought you were gone.

It's cool it is fine the way it is.

Shane P. Hallam
04-09-2009, 07:57 PM
I apologize man. I always seem to do that.

Brothgar
04-09-2009, 07:59 PM
I am now gone with the unlikelyhood that my internet is fixed yet. If my some act of god it is up to my pick again. JBond will have a new list before I leave.

rockio42
04-09-2009, 08:32 PM
Wow, I just got home and checked out what happened and I must say, I love how people on this board to keep everything interesting...just some surprising **** has happened...

Staubach12
04-09-2009, 09:02 PM
If my pick comes up tonight someone text me. 6158300190

BeerBaron
04-09-2009, 09:46 PM
Wow, I just got home and checked out what happened and I must say, I love how people on this board to keep everything interesting...just some surprising **** has happened...

Yeah...."surprising" is one way to look at it, heh.

Matthew Jones
04-09-2009, 09:58 PM
Sniper, you're up and Derrick Williams is on the board. It's a dream come true.

Matthew Jones
04-09-2009, 10:26 PM
Wow, the Giants just got shafted for Braylon.

BeerBaron
04-09-2009, 10:29 PM
Wow, the Giants just got shafted for Braylon.

Agreed. All that for a guy who drops a lot of balls and will be seeking a HUGE new deal very soon....

Btw, I don't know if this is exactly how it works, but how did the Giants trade Manningham? Wasn't he just drafted last year? I'm pretty sure all of the Bears draft picks from last year are on our untradeables list.

scottyboy
04-09-2009, 10:31 PM
gonna give a brief explaination for why I gave in and gave up so much:

-My first was going, that's a forgone conclusion.
- There's only one #1 calibur WR on the board in my mind, and I doubt he was going to fall
- I didn't let the Eagles get him
- Giving up Mario let me keep Hixon
-Mario and Moss are pretty much the same player
- Honestly, #1 WR was far and away my biggest need, and I solved it.
- He's a former #3 overall pick and what? 25? He fits in with the type of WR Eli loves, and will be a perfect fit.

Bosanac01
04-09-2009, 11:08 PM
taking trade offers for #24, looking to move down.

Bosanac01
04-10-2009, 12:00 AM
Falcons looking to trade up. If you have late 1st or early second, pm me please.

Shane P. Hallam
04-10-2009, 12:32 AM
Agreed. All that for a guy who drops a lot of balls and will be seeking a HUGE new deal very soon....

Btw, I don't know if this is exactly how it works, but how did the Giants trade Manningham? Wasn't he just drafted last year? I'm pretty sure all of the Bears draft picks from last year are on our untradeables list.


There have been trade rumors about Manningham being traded. Most guys drafted last year are untradeable in this. A few are not.

BeerBaron
04-10-2009, 12:38 AM
There have been trade rumors about Manningham being traded. Most guys drafted last year are untradeable in this. A few are not.

I see....well, that explains that then. Just wanted to be sure.

Matthew Jones
04-10-2009, 08:22 AM
Alright, I'm back to pick at #34. Feel free to text me if I come up:

203 885 3471

I'll try to keep my phone with me.

woodnick
04-10-2009, 08:33 AM
Wow, the AFC North has definately gotten stronger as a conference!

Matthew Jones
04-10-2009, 08:38 AM
I'm kind of disappointed and kind of surprised that Josh Freeman made it out of the first round. He's getting ridiculously underrated on here.

draftguru151
04-10-2009, 08:43 AM
QBs always fall in these.

Caddy
04-10-2009, 08:48 AM
I'm kind of disappointed and kind of surprised that Josh Freeman made it out of the first round. He's getting ridiculously underrated on here.

Not underrated by me. :)

Matthew Jones
04-10-2009, 09:45 AM
My pick will be up in a minute.

marshallb
04-10-2009, 11:13 AM
Can someone please explain this Vikings-Cardinals trade for me?
Accepted

Vikings Receive:

DT Alan Branch

# 26 Overall

#22 Overall

Cardinals Receive:

#21 Overall

I believe it should read Minnesota receives: Branch, 26, and what pick? Arizona receives 22.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-10-2009, 11:15 AM
I think it was Branch and 26 to the Vikes for 22. 21 was Philadelphia's pick.

marshallb
04-10-2009, 11:19 AM
I think it was Branch and 26 to the Vikes for 22. 21 was Philadelphia's pick.

OK, but did Minnesota get anything else in that trade?

DiG
04-10-2009, 11:27 AM
OK, but did Minnesota get anything else in that trade?

im guessing that #22 is a typo and its a later round selection. but we wont know till one of those teams or jbond arrives.

marshallb
04-10-2009, 11:29 AM
im guessing that #22 is a typo and its a later round selection. but we wont know till one of those teams or jbond arrives.

alright, thanks. I guess, I'll have to wait, it's not really important for me to know, I am just trying to keep up with things.

diabsoule
04-10-2009, 11:50 AM
That was an absolutely terrible pick for the Steelers.

Matthew Jones
04-10-2009, 11:51 AM
That was an absolutely terrible pick for the Steelers.

I can't really see it either. BPA, maybe. But pretty unnecessary. Ward + Holmes + Sweed is fine. I would have taken Mack/Britton or something there. Not sure what trades happened.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-10-2009, 11:53 AM
He said he was going bpa.

Shane P. Hallam
04-10-2009, 11:59 AM
I can't really see it either. BPA, maybe. But pretty unnecessary. Ward + Holmes + Sweed is fine. I would have taken Mack/Britton or something there. Not sure what trades happened.

I'd kill for Britton at 32 myself. Sweed has been kinda poop though, so if one of the top WRs fall, it COULD happen.

Hines
04-10-2009, 12:02 PM
I wanted Harvin because he can and will play mulitple positions in our offense. He is also one of the most explosive offensive players in the draft. He will play WR, RB, and return kicks for Pittsburgh.

Edit: He was also BPA on our board.

Matthew Jones
04-10-2009, 12:05 PM
I see why you'd like versatility, but the Steelers already have some good players, first and second round picks, at RB and WR and on the offensive line...not so much.

Hines
04-10-2009, 12:06 PM
I see why you'd like versatility, but the Steelers already have some good players, first and second round picks, at RB and WR and on the offensive line...not so much.

We won the Super Bowl with that "crappy" offensive line. I have a plan for this draft and hopefully it falls into the plan that I have.

BeerBaron
04-10-2009, 12:26 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/1230/ncf_i_maybin_400.jpg

Ehhh...people wanted that guy to play Defensive End......Ehh...

He's so tiny. Looks like he should have a "2" instead of a "5" in his number.

diabsoule
04-10-2009, 12:29 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/1230/ncf_i_maybin_400.jpg

Ehhh...people wanted that guy to play Defensive End......Ehh...

He's so tiny. Looks like he should have a "2" instead of a "5" in his number.

I don't see it either.

Hines
04-10-2009, 12:34 PM
Darius Butler was number 2 on my board.

Staubach12
04-10-2009, 01:26 PM
I'm kind of disappointed and kind of surprised that Josh Freeman made it out of the first round. He's getting ridiculously underrated on here.

No, he's just overrated by everyone else.

Matthew Jones
04-10-2009, 01:51 PM
No, he's just overrated by everyone else.

I don't think so. If he went to USC and Mark Sanchez went to Kansas State, Sanchez would be a late round possibility and Freeman could be #1 overall.

Bosanac01
04-10-2009, 01:59 PM
Jags have 20 mins to pick, if they don't, a pick will be made for them.

Matthew Jones
04-10-2009, 02:02 PM
Didn't they miss their first round pick too? I think he might be having internet trouble or something.

RaiderNation
04-10-2009, 02:07 PM
Didn't they miss their first round pick too? I think he might be having internet trouble or something.

Ya Jbond made their pick in the 1st. Maybe some1 has take over for them??

Shane P. Hallam
04-10-2009, 02:16 PM
Ya Jbond made their pick in the 1st. Maybe some1 has take over for them??

I'll be making the picks until I talk to Scooter or ScottyD

Bosanac01
04-10-2009, 02:16 PM
They were in the IRC before, just not here at the right time i guess.