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TNewFan41
03-06-2007, 05:58 PM
According to John Clayton, with the signing of Davis, we are going to switch to more of a power running offense. Which hopefully means, Barber is going to get more carries.

On another note, in an article by Nick Eatmen on DallasCowboys.com, we are negotiating with Colombo on a 2 year contract, in the range of about 7 million. Sound great to me.

Thoughts?

JJJ888
03-06-2007, 06:01 PM
I think a power running scheme could also benefit Julius. The line opens up holes, and Julius hits them with speed.

DMWSackMachine
03-06-2007, 06:06 PM
I don't think we ever were anything else besides a power running team. We sure as hell weren't a ZBS, and we haven't run an inordinate amount of pulls or traps. We never run the stretch play, and our sweeps are infrequent as well.

We've always been a power running team, so this is no news at all. Just because you are getting bigger on the o-line doesn't mean you are changing schemes.

TNewFan41
03-06-2007, 06:11 PM
I think a power running scheme could also benefit Julius. The line opens up holes, and Julius hits them with speed.

What speed?

KILLERSANTA
03-06-2007, 06:12 PM
I Think we are going to draft someone like Manuel Ramirez in the 3rd....And do the good ole....We know we're running it, You know we're running it. Try to stop us...

TNewFan41
03-06-2007, 06:15 PM
Even if we re-sign Colombo?

D-Unit
03-06-2007, 06:19 PM
What speed?
You're a fool if you think that.

KILLERSANTA
03-06-2007, 06:19 PM
Even if we re-sign Colombo?

Yes, Because that means, Davis is going to play RG..So we are going to have a great push right up the middle....

TNewFan41
03-06-2007, 06:23 PM
So why would we draft another G? Although, I would love it, I love O-line.

And no I am not D-Unit, Julius has average speed.

JJJ888
03-06-2007, 06:29 PM
So why would we draft another G? Although, I would love it, I love O-line.

And no I am not D-Unit, Julius has average speed.

Julius is much faster than Barber at the very least...and one thing that excites me about having a stronger line is the opportunity for Julius to run more draws.

KILLERSANTA
03-06-2007, 06:31 PM
Julius is much faster than Barber at the very least...and one thing that excites me about having a stronger line is the opportunity for Julius to run more draws.

Jones Rules on Draws..............

TNewFan41
03-06-2007, 07:56 PM
lol. Julius isn't a lot faster than Marion, what are you smoking. Julius does not have breakaway speed, granted neither does barber, but Julius doesn't for sure. And don't give me that run on New Orleans, my mom could have scored on that. Just look at the Seattle game, he got cought from behind when he had a wide open lane to the endzone, which would have won us the game, and he gets caught from behind by Ken Hamlin, who ran a 4.6 at the combine, granted 40's don't mean everything, I am just saying. And Julius did not run in the 4.3s D-Unit, so don't bring up that junk.

leroyisgod
03-06-2007, 08:54 PM
So why would we draft another G? Although, I would love it, I love O-line.

And no I am not D-Unit, Julius has average speed.

Sometimes people need to learn how to make intelligent comments. Saying JJ doesn't have speed is plain ignorant.

mtmock
03-06-2007, 09:09 PM
t new stop while your ahead JJ runs between late 4.3 to early 4.4...barber clocked a 4.50 at the 2005 combine. i do think barber should get more carries though. bring in JJ as a change of pace guy.

Im_a_Romosexual
03-06-2007, 09:19 PM
the difference in the 40 times may not seem like a big difference on paper, but on the field it makes a whole world of difference. And regarding who should get more carries if it aint broke dont fix it

mtmock
03-06-2007, 09:39 PM
According to John Clayton, with the signing of Davis, we are going to switch to more of a power running offense. Which hopefully means, Barber is going to get more carries.

On another note, in an article by Nick Eatmen on DallasCowboys.com, we are negotiating with Colombo on a 2 year contract, in the range of about 7 million. Sound great to me.

Thoughts?
links? please

Paul
03-07-2007, 12:25 AM
lol. Julius isn't a lot faster than Marion, what are you smoking. Julius does not have breakaway speed, granted neither does barber, but Julius doesn't for sure.

Your just pulling stuff out of your ass now buddy, no proof or evidence ofanything you claim. Do you even watch a Cowboys game in the past 2 years? First off now if you want to bring 40 times up then here.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/7121687
The fastest times of the group were Oklahoma State's Tatum Bell (212 pounds), who ran a 4.37, and 217-pound Julius Jones of Notre Dame, who was timed at 4.40. Both also had vertical jumps of over 37 inches. Both players added green to their bank accounts thanks to their workouts, meaning they will be drafted higher and get bigger signing bonuses than first expected.

Barbers' 40-time
http://www.fftoday.com/articles/idptony/05draft_rbs_v4.htm
Helped himself running in the 4.5-even range at Minnesota’s Pro Day. After some slower than expected times for some of the other backs in the second tier, he has climbed by default, as well. Classic example of a back that does many things well, but nothing really spectacular. However, with his measurables, the potential is greater to make it as a feature RB. Could go as early as the fourth RB taken and no later than the early third round. The Colts could be a surprise suitor, as the Edge Situation remains tenuous and Barber is comfortable playing on carpet.

Last time I checked those numbers and analysis shows that Julius is faster, no if and or buts about it.

Secondly,
And don't give me that run on New Orleans, my mom could have scored on that. Just look at the Seattle game, he got cought from behind when he had a wide open lane to the endzone, which would have won us the game, and he gets caught from behind by Ken Hamlin, who ran a 4.6 at the combine, granted 40's don't mean everything, I am just saying.

Yeah let's just forget about the New Orleans 70yd run, and the 200+ yards he had against Seattle few years back, and the burning of Panthers the in the 2005-2006 season, and of course don't forget that Thanksgiving Day game against Bears game, and all the other plays that showed why people Consider him or SPEED back. Let's just remember that one play

Thirdly,
Just look at the Seattle game, he got cought from behind when he had a wide open lane to the endzone, which would have won us the game

Oh yes, that's what lost us the game. Not the Fumbled snap or the defense giving up big plays and giving away 3rd down conversions.

Fourthly
my mom could have scored on that

I'm a fan of Hyperboles myself, if you don't know what Hyperboles means look it up or use context clues. But your habit of it around here has gone to the point of annoyance.

You see what I did there? I provided an argument with evidence and proof, with a bit of sarcasm, to prove my point. You should try it sometimes.

Macarthur
03-07-2007, 12:51 AM
If memory serves, Julius had the best 10 yard time (on the 40) of anyone at the combine that year. He is explosive.

thule
03-07-2007, 01:30 AM
Julius doesn't have a problem with speed. His problem is yards after contact. I made a post about a month or two back that really broke down how he stacked up. But JJ does have the speed...however we only get glimpse of it because he goes down on the first hit.

Not trying to start an argument...just saying that JJ's problem surely isn't speed. It's yards after contact and reading cutback lanes.

The change in running game makes me laugh...because we still have the same running game coordinator...stupid espn analysts.

leroyisgod
03-07-2007, 08:12 AM
Julius doesn't have a problem with speed. His problem is yards after contact. I made a post about a month or two back that really broke down how he stacked up. But JJ does have the speed...however we only get glimpse of it because he goes down on the first hit.

Not trying to start an argument...just saying that JJ's problem surely isn't speed. It's yards after contact and reading cutback lanes.

The change in running game makes me laugh...because we still have the same running game coordinator...stupid espn analysts.

You make excellent points about JJ's issues with yards after contact. He needs to learn how to deflect the hits he takes. Spin off of hits and get that extra 1-3 yards.

UTPATS
03-07-2007, 09:38 AM
Sounds like he needs to go back and watch some old school Emmit Smith runs!

TheFan0520
03-07-2007, 10:42 AM
Yeah I thought we always tried to be a power running team except we just didn't have the dominant offensive line to consistently do it. It's why the offense looked so bad at times because they had to resort to passing and we all know Parcells and his staff aren't exactly gurus in the air attack.

TNewFan41
03-07-2007, 01:46 PM
Actually no, Julius ran a 4.47:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/julius_jones#agility

And Marion ran a 4.48:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/barber_marion#agility

You probably got the unofficial results, those are the official times. There are some facts for you.

Paul
03-07-2007, 02:16 PM
So you still prove my point that Julius is faster. Now tell me why do 99% of the people here on forums say Marion is our power back and Julius is our Speed Back? Why Do scouts and Analysis call Julius our lightning and and Marion our Thunder? Why do People consider Julius our homerun hitter and Barber our closer? Are you so stubborn and blind by your own shallow judgments of ability, that statistical and visual evidence and the testimony of fans and experts alike prove nothing to you?

That's it I'm done with you, I don't even know why I argue with some 15 year old.

TNewFan41
03-07-2007, 02:22 PM
Yes, Julius is faster, when did I every say he wasn't?

What I am saying is, neither are THAT fast, they have solid speed, but not amazing, burning everyone, reggie bush type speed.

Ward
03-07-2007, 03:08 PM
So you still prove my point that Julius is faster. Now tell me why do 99% of the people here on forums say Marion is our power back and Julius is our Speed Back? Why Do scouts and Analysis call Julius our lightning and and Marion our Thunder? Why do People consider Julius our homerun hitter and Barber our closer? Are you so stubborn and blind by your own shallow judgments of ability, that statistical and visual evidence and the testimony of fans and experts alike prove nothing to you?

That's it I'm done with you, I don't even know why I argue with some 15 year old.

Click on his profile and at the top there is an ignore feature.

robert_in_bigd
03-07-2007, 04:24 PM
Julius doesn't have a problem with speed. His problem is yards after contact. I made a post about a month or two back that really broke down how he stacked up. But JJ does have the speed...however we only get glimpse of it because he goes down on the first hit.

Not trying to start an argument...just saying that JJ's problem surely isn't speed. It's yards after contact and reading cutback lanes.

The change in running game makes me laugh...because we still have the same running game coordinator...stupid espn analysts.


In this entire thread, this is the only post that provides accuracy and insight.

On the pure speed issue, Julius is fast but he does not have the extra gear.

I am sure his 40 times looked amazing after 10 yards and pretty good after 40.

Poet3334
03-07-2007, 05:01 PM
TNew, I'm not sure what type of debate you're trying to start. You're only making yourself look irrational.

TNewFan41
03-07-2007, 06:38 PM
In this entire thread, this is the only post that provides accuracy and insight.

On the pure speed issue, Julius is fast but he does not have the extra gear.

I am sure his 40 times looked amazing after 10 yards and pretty good after 40.


THANK YOU!!!!!!

Julius has decnt speed, both nothing that will blow you away, that is all I am saying.

Staubach12
03-07-2007, 07:31 PM
Julius is actually quite fast on the field. It's universally accepted.

mtmock
03-07-2007, 10:32 PM
THANK YOU!!!!!!

Julius has decnt speed, both nothing that will blow you away, that is all I am saying.
his 10 yard is blazin which is all you need really...since an average rb averages about 4 yards a carry why should 40 matter if they dont get more than 10 yards on a run except for maybe once a game.

TNewFan41
03-08-2007, 05:49 AM
Incorrect. We are talking about breakaway, long speed. He has above average to average speed, he isn't slow, but he won't burn a ton of people either.

LonghornsLegend
03-09-2007, 01:36 AM
julious jones has no problem running past people when in the open, barber is the guy who finds the holes and runs through people...


i dont even see why someone would argue that jones is not fast, or a speed back...