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D-Unit
04-01-2009, 02:54 PM
The following is a waste of my time, but once I started, my imagination got on a roll and then I couldn't turn back. Had fun doing it, but there is a 7 part series to this where I will mock out the NBA Draft Lottery. Complete with trades, drafting, ESPN commentary, guest appearances, commercial breaks, pictures, video, and some personal analysis of each pick and why I made it. Hopefully you can have a laugh out of it all. :)

Welcome all to the the
2009 NBA Draft here in Madison Square Garden!

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Mike Tirico: Thank you all for joining us and tuning in today. We've got a packed house and great crowd today! You can see them all buzzing with excitement for what is about to take place over the next few hours when their favorite teams make decisions that could propel them in the standings and pile up numbers in the win column.

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Rich Bucher: You can tell they are all getting antsy waiting for the draft to begin. As they should be. My sources are telling me that we're in for a lot of wheelin' and dealin'. You never know how things will unfold, so hold onto your seats folks.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Tirico: Well it looks like the time has arrived, the stage has been cleared and we should be hearing from Commissioner David Stern any moment now.


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David Stern: We welcome all basketball fans from around the world on this fabulous day and thank you for joining us as we kick off the 2009 NBA Draft. There is sure to be excitement to follow and we hope you enjoy your teams' draft pick selections. With no further adieu, the clock is now officially started and the Washington Wizards are up for the #1 overall pick.


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Tirico: Joining us here in studio is ESPN's NBA draft analyst, Chris Ford. Chris, were you surprised with Washington landing the first overall pick in April's lottery? Where do you think they'll go with the pick and why?

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Chad Ford: The Wizards were definitely very fortunate to have landed the #1 overall pick in the draft. Was it a surprise? Not really. When you finish with the 2nd worst record in the league, you earn it. Washington started giving away meaningless games as the season ended once title contention became out of sight. But they won't tell you that of course.

However, I think the NBA has done a great thing to try to avoid teams throwing away games, when they came up with this lottery system. With the lottery, the worst team is no longer automatically given the #1 pick, so teams won't necessarily be rewarded by purposely ruining the integrity of the game. Plus, I think it's another exciting event to have the lottery set up the way it is.

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Teams will think of anything to bring as much luck to them as possible and it's really no joke. I know one GM and won't mention any names, that actually wear's his wife's favorite lucky thong underneath his trousers. It's true!!!

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When the representative from Ernst and Young, one of the nations best auditing firms, opened up the envelop which revealed the Sacramento Kings, (the team with the best chance of winning) would be picking second in the draft, the Washington Wizards representative, newly annointed Redskins starting QB, Colt Brennan, was so happy it brought him to tears! It must have been his lucky Hawaiian lei!

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: Yeah, it must have been the lei. I know for sure it wasn't a lucky thong! I KNOW who was wearing that... *mumbles Larry Bird cough cough*...

Thank the Lord, it looks like Washington is ready to announce their pick!

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With the 1st pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Washington Wizards select
Forward, Blake Griffin from the University of Oklahoma.

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D-Unit's Analysis: The Wizards have fallen on hard times recently and have seen every team in their division surpass them. But now they're about to get a kick start back into gear. Landing Griffin is a tremendous coup for any team and the Wizards are thanking their lucky stars. There's no doubt that Griffin is getting picked by which ever team gets the #1 pick. My fun guess is that the Wiz hit the lotto.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: I bet nobody saw that one coming! HA! :D Blake is gonna tear up the league from Day 1! And that's a cold hard fact. He instantly puts the Wizards back on the map. I'm excited to see the brotha in the league. Hmm.. no wait. Is he a brotha? Or brother?

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: Oh damn slick! I can't believe you went there! Griffin is a baller fo' sho. But I'm not sure he would've went #1 in a lot of other drafts. He doesn't go #1 overall over my boy C-Webb.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Tirico: Well, speaking of C-Webb, next up are the Sacramento Kings, a team C-Webb had some golden years playing for. I bet there were at least some in the draft room hoping that Griffn would fall one spot. Let's see what they do here.

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With the 2nd pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select
Point Guard, Brandon Jennings, Euroleague

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: OH SH********! Young Money! Did that just happen???

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: I don't agree with this pick at all. This is an absolute mind boggler. I get that the Maloof's understand all about gambling, but this is HUGE! They are about to commit millions to this kid who comes with so many question marks.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/images/johnson_magic.jpg Magic Johnson: Bill, I know where you're coming from, but I absolutely LOVE this pick! This is all about flash and I know flash. The city of Sacramento needs a jump start and the last time they got a jump start they had a kid nicknamed "White Chocolate" who put fans in the seats. I'm sure the Maloofs are banking on that happening again with this kid.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Tirico: Brandon Jennings is coming to the NBA after spending 1 year in Rome, Italy playing in the Euro League. ESPN the Mag followed him for a day and it's available here:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?categoryid=3025809&id=3695454

D-Unit's Analysis: The Kings are a struggling franchise on and off the court. Attendance has been at an all time low and there are talks of moving the team to another city. Arco Arena used to be packed with rabid fans, but that was a time when there was an exciting team on the floor with White Chocolate and C-Webb. The flash is back with Brandon Jennings. Right now people are throwing all kinds of negatives towards his way because of his detour in Europe. Fact of the matter is that he was never gonna succeed there. His flamboyant style and American prima donna attitude would never break the barriers that are established there. Once teams get to see him in workouts and evaluate him at camps, he will see his stock soar. His talent is undeniable and upside is unparallel. The Maloofs know how to make a gamble pay off big and Showtime is their business.


Check it out.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: I still think this is too much of a risk... but next up are the Clippers... Is it possible that they can ever emerge from the abyss they are in?

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: Possible? Yeah, it's poooosible. But Quite Frankly, it sure as hell ain't probable!

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: *Reaches under the counter* Hey guys, I recently broke into Coach Dunleavy's office and found this book!

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*Laughs all along the panel*

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/wilbon_web_000.jpg Michael Wilbon: Hahahaha! Now THAT is Funny!!!

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: Yeah, but not as funny as Tim Duncan's "Nip Slip" caught on camera and shown on TMZ last night!

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/saunders_web.jpg John Saunders: You are killin' me Jalen. :p But you're also killin' the show. Let's settle down guys.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/van_gundy_web.jpg Jeff Van Gundy: But... but... I like that book. I bought it because Cindy Crawford was on the cover.

*Silent blank looks*

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Looks like Commissioner Stern is ready to announce the next pick. Let's listen in.


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With the 3rd pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Los Angeles Clippers select
Center Hasheem Thabeet, University of Connecticut.

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D-Unit's Analysis: Why can't the Clippers win? Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Al Thornton, Zach Randolph, Marcus Camby and they can't win 20 games? They are just the ugly duckling of sports franchises. It's like no matter what they do, they can't win. Hah. I guess if you look at the glass half full, Eric Gordon and Al Thornton are decent pieces to build off of. ...and believe it or not DeAndre Jordan showed great flashes of potential. He impressed me with his defense and rebounding for sure. I'm choosing Hasheem Thabeet for them here. Some might project Jordan Hill instead, but I think by the time draft day arrives, Hill (a brick layer with poor fundamentals) will be exposed. The Clips can't afford that, but they can afford to play DeAndre Jordan at the 4 and Thabeet at the 5 when Kaman is injured again...lol. With Camby already talking about places he's like to play next season like NY, this pick makes enough sense.

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SeanTaylorRIP
04-01-2009, 03:00 PM
Nice, BTW you needed a Dicky V tirade at Jennings going #2 over a proven college superstar in TYLER HANSBOROUGH!!! BTW I'm working on my own nifty draft stuff to be out next week.

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 03:11 PM
Nice, BTW you needed a Dicky V tirade at Jennings going #2 over a proven college superstar in TYLER HANSBOROUGH!!! BTW I'm working on my own nifty draft stuff to be out next week.
haha... I missed that. Dicky V is definitely in this though. I just have him gloating over a college guy in his cameo.

I always look forward to your stuff.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-01-2009, 03:18 PM
I'm definitely not creative like you though, can't wait to see the rest of your stuff,but I am creating 80+ individual prospect profiles that I or anyone can just copy paste and use for their mock drafts, examples, expect all my junk to be out by next week, have about 35 done already :

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El Peefs?????
04-01-2009, 03:19 PM
Wow that is really early for Jennings. His pick in the NBA draft is higher than his rank was as a prep player after hes done basically nothing for a year.

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 03:30 PM
Wow that is really early for Jennings. His pick in the NBA draft is higher than his rank was as a prep player after hes done basically nothing for a year.
Many sites have him securely in the Top 10... if not higher. I'm a believer that once the draft evaluation process begins that he will start to shine and rise into Top 3 discussion. The opposite could equally happen. Just my thoughts of course and we don't even have a complete list of entries yet.

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 03:31 PM
I'm definitely not creative like you though, can't wait to see the rest of your stuff,but I am creating 80+ individual prospect profiles that I or anyone can just copy paste and use for their mock drafts, examples, expect all my junk to be out by next week, have about 35 done already :

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/ghettosermon/BlakeGriffin.jpg

That looks like some good stuffs! Lookin' forward to it.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
04-01-2009, 03:41 PM
I'm definitely not creative like you though, can't wait to see the rest of your stuff,but I am creating 80+ individual prospect profiles that I or anyone can just copy paste and use for their mock drafts, examples, expect all my junk to be out by next week, have about 35 done already :


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/ghettosermon/TerrenceWilliams.jpg



That Quote at the end of Terrence Williams was definitely by me!

thetedginnshow
04-01-2009, 03:41 PM
Hmm. I would do analysis this year but I don't think I have the time. Looks good though! It would be fitting if Thabeet went to the Clippers.

tjsunstein
04-01-2009, 04:03 PM
I'm about to stop caring about the Clippers..

M.O.T.H.
04-01-2009, 04:53 PM
Blake Griffin is similar to Boozer in terms of size.

WMD
04-01-2009, 04:59 PM
Blake Griffin = young Antonio McDyess!

fenikz
04-01-2009, 05:02 PM
I can see Jennings going with the 2nd pick...of the 2nd round

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 05:02 PM
Part II

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Welcome back to the show. 3 picks in so far, but our insider Rick Bucher reports that we should start seeing a faster run on picks as teams are ready to make things happen. Next up are the Memphis Grizzlies.

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Rick Bucher: Mike, I need to make a correction. Our sources have indicated that there has been an unexpected phone call made to the Grizzlies and some background negotiations regarding this pick are being discussed between the Grizzlies and another unnamed team, which we haven't been able to figure out yet. That's why the pick which was expected to be made rather quickly has come down to the wire with no selection just yet. Stay tuned, time is winding down to the last second!

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: David Stern is at the podium now, let's see what happens.

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We have a TRADE to announce!

The Memphis Grizzlies have trade the #4 overall pick of the 2009 NBA Draft to the New York Knicks.

*Knicks fans cheer in jubilation!!!*

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With that pick, the New York Knicks select
Point Guard, Ricky Rubio, Euroleague

*And now they are boiling mad.*

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Chad Ford: I don't understand why Knicks fans are upset with the selection. The savvy Knick fan should understand by now that Mike D'Antoni will go the International route more often than he will dip into the American college pool. I had Rubio ranked as the #2 overall prospect in my personal rankings. He's not the typical American PG coming out of HS oozing with fast wheels, a fancy handle, and explosive leaping ability, but he is the closest thing that I've seen to Steve Nash. D'Antoni probably sees the same thing and that's why they pulled the trigger. Not sure what the final terms of the trade is, but you've got to believe that the #9 overall pick is involved and that no one is happier right now than D'Antoni.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/bucher_web.jpg Rick Bucher: We have the terms of the deal. The official trade will get the Grizzlies the #9 overall pick in this year's draft, along with a future first round pick. The pick will be Top 10 protected in 2010, Top 3 protected in 2011 or Unprotected in 2012.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: Man, I can see why these Knicks fans are all upset. New York is the Mecca of urban street basketball. That's the brand of basketball that they are used to. That's the kind of basketball that they want to watch. That's the kind of basketball that they want representing them and their city. They don't want to win using European imports and an International style of play.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: Yeah, they would've probably loved Brandon Jennings, but Isaiah tried to bring that type of basketball to NY and look where that got them and him. Mike D'Antoni is one of the best in the business and if NY wants a winner, they will have to do it his way and start to accept that.


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: Yeah, but who's that European kid they drafted last year? What'd he do? Quite Frankly, I don't even know his name! At least I knew the name Darko Milicic. Is this guy maybe worse? That selection last year wouldn't make me feel good about this pick this year, AND giving up a future first rounder... WOW. ...But I respect D'Antoni, so we'll see how this unfolds.


D-Unit's Analysis: This is the guy that I love landing with the Knicks. I really do think Mike D'Antonio will pull out all the stops to get him. This trade scenario will probably not happen in real life, but a move to the top involving future picks could be likely seeing as NY doesn't want to incur more salary and neither does a team like the Grizzlies who have been careful with the way they have spent their money. I predicted Gallinari as the pick early on last year and never swayed even when D'Antoni came out and said that he wouldn't take him. Somehow, someway, I expect this to be the outcome for the Knicks selection on draft day.

Reminds me so much of Steve Nash (albeit a tall Steve Nash which should make him a better defender).

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Now we're starting to roll, the Commissioner is back at the podium with the Oklahoma City Thunder's selection.

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With the 5th pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Oklahoma City Thunder select
Shooting Guard, James Harden from the Arizona State University.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/images/johnson_magic.jpg Magic Johnson: I really like James Harden. He's got a real old school style to his game. He could've played in the '70s, '80s or '90s and fit right in perfectly. It will be interesting to see how he succeeds in today's NBA game.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/brown_web.jpg Hubie Brown: I think you hit it right on the head Magic. Harden does have that old school feel. Maybe it's the T-shirt under the jersey... or maybe it's because he looks 35 years old. haha. On a more serious note, his game is mature and his basketball IQ is high. I see a successful player, but not an elite All-Star.

D-Unit's Analysis: In reality, the Thunder are probably hoping desperately to hit the lottery in order to grab Griffin and keep him in Oklahoma. While the chance is there, I'm not predicting it to happen so conveniently. The Thunder stumbled hard out the gates in their first inagurable season in Oklahoma City, only to finsih the season limping past the finish line. But hope is on the way. Kevin Durant and Jeff Green took another step forward in their development and Russell Westbrook proved that he has what it takes to be a really good player in this league. I don't think he has even scratched the surface yet. Meanwhile, the Thunder are hurting for a SG. Thabo Sefalosha doesn't cut it and the team can't be forced to play Westbrook or Durant at the 2 spot. The pick here is James Harden for me. I'm not that big on him at all, but I'm not dumb enough to ignore him completely. His floor is high and his game is smooth. He reminds me of a Michael Finley/Glen Robinson type player... the comparison I know, is not perfect. The future is bright though if the fans and management can remain patient. With Westbrook at PG, Harden at SG, Durant at SF and Green at PF, that young core will lead the "thundering" charge. Would be nice if they were able to land Greg Monroe in the 2010 draft. I'm not projecting him to declare this year. The Thunder also have a nice amount of space under the salary cap to add reinforcements, so keep that in mind too.


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/brown_web.jpg Hubie Brown:
The Thunder have quietly formed a nice young nucleus in their new city, and when they arrive they could make a serious run to the top of the West. They are built similarly to the Magic at the 4 positions other than Center. I really like what they've got brewing down there.


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Thumper
04-01-2009, 05:16 PM
Nice work. I really like the way this is going. Rubio would be a great fit on the Knicks with the system that they run.

MetSox17
04-01-2009, 05:17 PM
Wow, what's the thought process in taking Brandon Jennings over Ricky Rubio?

LTgiants
04-01-2009, 05:23 PM
the jazz have the knicks 2010 first so i dont think that trade can happen

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 05:29 PM
Wow, what's the thought process in taking Brandon Jennings over Ricky Rubio?
I'll stick with my guns here. I think Jennings' talent will shine through all this negative press once the pre-draft workouts begin.

...and the Kings being owned by Vegas Moguls... I think they'll consider the "entertainment" factor that Jennings has.

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 05:30 PM
the jazz have the knicks 2010 first so i dont think that trade can happen
Oh ok. Thanks. Just think of some other way they'll make it happen I guess.

Cicero
04-01-2009, 05:40 PM
Many sites have him securely in the Top 10... if not higher. I'm a believer that once the draft evaluation process begins that he will start to shine and rise into Top 3 discussion. The opposite could equally happen. Just my thoughts of course and we don't even have a complete list of entries yet.

Ya, I think he's a lock to go in the top 10. I may be a homer though because I've talked to him a few times.

El Peefs?????
04-01-2009, 05:54 PM
I thought of Jennings as a top 10 player, NBA franchises nearly always draft based on ceiling. But I thought all his recent issues & problems as well as his size would hold him back from being in the top 5.

Im sad though D. I was most interested in what you were going to do with Monroe but you aren't putting him in your mock. Pish tosh sir.

Mr. Hero
04-01-2009, 06:04 PM
don't get me wrong, cause I love rubio and would cry if we got him, but since we don't have our first round pick next year that means the earliest pick we could trade them would be our 2012 pick...

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 06:20 PM
I thought of Jennings as a top 10 player, NBA franchises nearly always draft based on ceiling. But I thought all his recent issues & problems as well as his size would hold him back from being in the top 5.

Im sad though D. I was most interested in what you were going to do with Monroe but you aren't putting him in your mock. Pish tosh sir.
Yeah, I think Monroe will return. I could be wrong though.

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 06:21 PM
don't get me wrong, cause I love rubio and would cry if we got him, but since we don't have our first round pick next year that means the earliest pick we could trade them would be our 2012 pick...
There could always be a trade involving players, but I have those coming up and didn't want to many in this.

thetedginnshow
04-01-2009, 06:27 PM
I'll be angry if the Thunder get Harden. Not as angry as I would be if they got Griffin, but still.

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 06:48 PM
I'll be angry if the Thunder get Harden. Not as angry as I would be if they got Griffin, but still.
Interested to know where you would've gone at that pick.. if the board shook down like that or if the board didn't shake down like that...

Personally, I could see Harden falling lower than that, but I thought the fit was right. Thunder do need a SG.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-01-2009, 07:06 PM
I'll be angry if the Thunder get Harden. Not as angry as I would be if they got Griffin, but still.

If you say you want Thabeet, I will fall out of my seat in laughter.

thetedginnshow
04-01-2009, 07:14 PM
Interested to know where you would've gone at that pick.. if the board shook down like that or if the board didn't shake down like that...

Personally, I could see Harden falling lower than that, but I thought the fit was right. Thunder do need a SG.

Oh I'd just like to see the Thunder fail. I love Harden.

WMD
04-01-2009, 07:34 PM
I thought of Jennings as a top 10 player, NBA franchises nearly always draft based on ceiling. But I thought all his recent issues & problems as well as his size would hold him back from being in the top 5.

Im sad though D. I was most interested in what you were going to do with Monroe but you aren't putting him in your mock. Pish tosh sir.
I drafted Greg Monroe for the Pistons in the NBA Mock that fenikz and bosnia ran!

El Peefs?????
04-01-2009, 08:00 PM
I drafted Greg Monroe for the Pistons in the NBA Mock that fenikz and bosnia ran!

Ya he showed me~ I would miss Maxiell though :(

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 08:31 PM
Part III

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Well, we've gotten through 5 picks so far and the Minnesota Timberwolves are on the clock. They have 3 picks in the first round this year. Chad, any idea what they might do with this first pick?

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Chad Ford: Well, when you have 3 picks in the draft, you have several luxuries. You can use them as assets and try to move around in the draft or ship them off for a future 1st. I thought they might've offered a deal to the Wizards to get Blake Griffin, but it seems they were content staying at #6 and keeping their other two picks. Either that or the Wiz weren't budging at all. Another luxury you have is that you can either go with the best player available regardless of need. Or you can take a gamble here and take a player who might not normally go this high, but you like him so much that you can avoid your other needs because you can address them later. Minnesota's next pick isn't until 18, so you might see them gamble on upside seeing as there is no real clear cut BPA. In my mock, I have them going with Demar DeRozan. They drafted a Trojan last year in OJ Mayo, only to trade him a few minutes later, but I think they might go that route again.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: That makes sense Chris. Looks like the Commissioner is ready to make the pick. Let's see if you're right on the DeRozan selection.

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With the 6th pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Minnesota Timberwolves select
Guard, Tyreke Evans from Memphis University.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: Oooooooooooh, Sweet Baby Jesus! :) I'ma big Tyreke fan. I don't say this often, but I do see a lot of myself in Tyreke and the way we both play the game. In today's terms, a lot of people use the word Combo Guard, but there are different types of Combo Guards in my opinion. Both Tyreke and I would be in a mold completely different from say a Combo Guard like Dwyane Wade or Ben Gordon. We're more like "Smooth Guards". hahahaha.

I know people have questioned his shot selection and FG%, but he's still just a kid. That will come with hard work, dedication and a strong support system. Tyreke has all of that and the talent to make it all come together. Good pick by the T-Wolves. No Great pick.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: Tyreke has a nice flare to his game and I can see the comparison between he and yourself, Jalen. That's a nice compliment from you. But Tyreke HAS TO learn how to cut down on those turnovers. That'll kill his team. Gutsy move by McHale right there as Tyreke's stock has been all over the place, but no where higher than 7.

D-Unit's Analysis: The Timberwolves are gunnin' for that 2010 FA class with the best of them. After the '09/'10 season they will go from a $50M+ salary payroll all the way down to a miniscule $15M. Fortunately for them, they are armored with 3 first round picks in '09 to make the team an attractive place for an elite veteran player or two to want to be apart of. If the rebuilding effort shows signs of quickly turning around, their plan could really hit the jackpot. With this pick, I can forsee the Wolves selecting Tyreke Evans. They drafted another player in the same mold in OJ Mayo last year, only to trade him hours later. Watching Mayo excel from afar probably has them second guessing themselves at times, but Tyreke will help erase those thoughts. He came into the college scene with a lot of fan fare, and started off slow. But really came on strong especially in the tournament. Memphis didn't reach as far as many thought, but they were riding the hype of last year and they weren't as talented as that team who lost 3 first rounders. Tyreke matured his game as his college season progressed, but really, the NBA is where his game will really take off. Just like Mayo. Expect him to have a similar impact in the league in his first year. If you think this is too high for Evans, you may want to reconsider your stance as scouts are sure to give him high grades during the draft process.

Kid went toe to toe against Derrick Rose and we all know how good Rose has been. Remember Rose was a Senior and Evans was just a Junior at the time.

Check it out here.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Next up are the Golden State Warriors. Just a couple years away from that great playoff win over the then #1 seeded Dallas Mavericks, when they beat them as a #8 seed. Boy, have they fallen in a short amount of time. It's almost as if....

Looks like we'll have to continue that discussion later. Rick Bucher is reporting that we might have another trade about to go down.

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Rick Bucher: Yes Mike. It is true. It appears as though the Warriors who are on the clock now with the 8th overall pick are poised to pull off a trade with the Milwaukee Bucks who are interested in taking Jordan Hill, the Forward from Arizona. Hill was considered by most to be the #1 ranked PF in this draft class and potentially a Top 3 pick at one time. The terms of the deal are not completely known at this point, but players are also involved in the deal. We're not certain on the names, but will try to get it to you as soon as we can.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: That's great scoop Rick! Looks like Commissioner Stern has something to say...

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We have a trade to announce.

The Golden State Warriors have agreed to send the 7th overall pick to the Milwaukee Bucks. The Bucks are now on the clock and have 4 minutes left to make their selection.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: Did my ears just fool me or did I hear that correctly? The Commish announced the trade, but didn't dish out the details. What in tarnations is going on??? Did they just give away the pick? hahaha.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: Yeah, that was really weird.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/bucher_web.jpg Rick Bucher: We've been able to confirm with our sources that the players involved in this trade are Golden State's Jamal Crawford and Milwaukee's Charlie Villanueva. The reason why I don't think the Commissioner announced the details of the trade just now are because the terms are not yet official in writing. Villanueava is a Free Agent. Therefore, unless he's in some sort of Sign and Trade deal, the Bucks are not permitted to use him as a trade chip. Our sources say that Villanueva has verbally agreed to the trade, but he hasn't signed and faxed in the deal.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: If Villanueva has agreed to the deal, then he must be happy with the money involved to ignore having the market set his rate in Free Agency.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/bucher_web.jpg Rick Bucher: That is exactly what he and his agent are thinking, Mike. They were prepared to enter Free Agency hoping to land some team's Mid-Level Exception. This year it's rumored to be slightly under $6M per season. With this deal, Charlie will be making more than that. Something in the ballpark between $7M and $8M per season. The trade between Golden State and Milwaukee has to be a near match in salary. Jamal Crawford's salary hovers above $8M annually. So by agreeing in principle to this Sign and Trade deal, Charlie will make more than the MLE. That's why he has agreed to this trade and that's why the Commissioner could not announce the full terms of the trade. Once the faxed contract reaches the right hands, I'm sure the Commissioner will announce the final terms.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: I'm sure the #12 pick owned by the Bucks will also be sent over.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: This is a great deal for both teams. It also seems to be a great deal for Charlie Villanueva. But you have to be wondering what Jamal Crawford has to be thinking at this point. He just got traded to Golden State last November and after this trade he will have been the property of 5 different teams in his young career. Remember, he was drated by the Cleveland Cavaliers and his rights were traded to Chicago on draft day. This is the second draft day trade for him. How unique is that?

D-Unit Analysis: Oh what a mess! This gets downright dirty. Golden State's downfall has come from the very top and has matriculated all the way down. Here's a really good read if you're interested, explaining some internal problems plaguing the Warriors. http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_11929555 Coach Don Nelson signed a 2 year contract extension last year, so he's looking at this draft heading into his final year. That presents a delimma on the vision for the future because "Nellie Ball" requires a specific type of line up. So do they focus on finding a player that fits that system? Or a generic type player? Who's calling the shots? We know Chris Mullins is just a face to the GM title and he has little say. Is it Nellie? Doubt it, he's gone after the year and the rookie won't have an immediate impact while he's still coaching. The man beind the scenes is Golden State President Robert Rowell... a businessman calling the shots for a basketball team. That makes their draft a huge wild card, but let's follow the clues. I know they are high on Marco Belinelli and Monta Ellis, so they won't be taking a 2 guard. They wastefully blasted their money on 2 guys who play the same position when they signed the oft injured Corey Maggette and oft suspended Stephen Jackson (haha, had to take a jab). So they've got to roll the dice and can't afford anymore resources at the 3 spot. They've got young projects at PF with Brandan Wright, Anthony Randolph (a tweener) and Turiaf is serviceable. They are lucky to have hit on Biedrins, but could use more depth. Now think, do you really want to address depth picking this high? No. In recent news (real life) Nellie approached Jamal Crawford and asked him to opt out of his final year of his contract. Needless to say, he and his agent were fumed at the request. That fact, teamed with the fact that the team took an absolute nose dive without Baron Davis... I'll suspect the pick will be a PG. Well, there isn't one worth taking at #7 that you can't find at #12. Add in the fact that you rid yourself of Crawford who you've asked to opt out and add a player who can have an immediate impact in Nellie's final year who also happens to be a perfect fit for his system and there you have it. Works perfectly for Golden State.

For the Bucks, this is also a win win situation because Villanueva has been on the block off and on for a long time now. He was set to leave as a FA anyways, but now you get to use him as leverage to move up in the draft AND acquire a versatile PG like Crawford who is a tremendous compliment to Ramon Sessions. Sessions is a small guard with real PG skills, but lacks range on his shot. Crawford loves to light it up from beyond the 3pt arch and his length allows the Bucks to put a big line up on the floor to match up with other big line ups that they'll face in the NBA. Crawford will also be happy because he won't be forced to opt out of his big contract and can cash it in all the way to the end.


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Here comes the Commissioner with the Buck's pick. Bucher is reporting that player is supposed to be Jordan Hill.


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With the 7th pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Milwaukee Bucks select
Power Forward , Ed Davis from the University of North Carolina.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Whoa! A bit of a surprise there! Ed Davis is selected as the first Power Foward to come off the board.


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Chad Ford: I can't really say that I'm surprised by this pick at all. Davis has been climbing the draft boards ever since Carolina's tournament run began. I remember speaking to several GMs during the tournament who spoke very highly of Davis and considered him a Top 5 player. I know Roy Williams was trying to hide him from scouts, but couldn't resist playing him over Junior Forward, Deon Thompson in the tournament. Roy is a smart man and knows winning is the ultimate goal. Besides, Roy can afford to lose him. Thompson will return as well as Tyler Zeller. He also secured the recruitment of top prospect, John Henson as well as the Wear twins. Roy learned fast after losing Marvin Williams and Brandan Wright after their freshmen years, that over recruiting big men is impossible to do for a school like UNC.

For me, it was a bigger surprise to see him keep his name in the draft. It's very common for kids to put their names into the draft and then pull out as they just want to test their draft stock. Because Davis had said during the tournament that he wanted to keep playing at UNC, I thought he was a strong candidate to go back. However, the draft process can be cunniving and tempting proposition for a top player. They will hear sweet nothings whispered in their ears to prevent them from going back to college. I think the nice things he kept hearing were too much to pass up on. It's a good thing it worked out for him. Last year, Donte Greene was a lock for the Top 10 until he got selected #28 overall.

Ed Davis High School Mix

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D-Unit's Analysis: I can see the doubters already. It's ok. I'm just going by what I feel, while trying to go on the unpredictable side as well. Fact of the matter is that big board rankings today will be completely different on draft day. If Jordan Hill is a top 3 pick, then slap me silly. But I personally don't think he's going to be any better than a Ronny Turiaf. Meanwhile, I'm a huge fan of Ed Davis and think his upside is unreal.

As for the Bucks... The Bucks are one of those teams that think they have a million good ideas on how to get better and each idea pulls them in a different direction. One minute they're stoked to sign Redd to a new deal, the next, he's on the block. No, nevermind... Richard Jefferson is on the block! While we're at it CV is on the block too... Wait, no he ain't. Uhh... yeah he is... wa what??? Eh... I know, let's give this Luke Ridnour feller $13M and see if we can make him our starting PG... We'll give him 2 years to prove it. If it works we're a genius (because a starting PG being paid $6.5M is a damn deal), if it doesn't we're a genius (because we only committed 2 years)... hmm this Sessions guy is pretty good... Forget it, let's see if we can clear salary and start over... With our lottery pick we have to take Joe Alexander, because he's tearing up the workouts and a lot of people are talking about how good he can dunk... Darn... he's the white version of Desmond Mason... been there, done that... But this Mbah a Moute guy is not half bad... He needs more playing time! Give him more PT! Blah, blah, blah... it's a never ending story with the Bucks. I really wouldn't be surprised to see them move up the draft to take Jordan Hill because they see him sliding. They don't realize he's sliding for a good reason. But who cares, right? All they know is that they need someone to play PF and he is listed at 6'10, 235 on the team website. LOL! Kidding aside, the Bucks do need help at the PF spot and I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and give them the better player in my eyes, Ed Davis. Don't be surprised if Davis is long gone by pick 7 on draft day. I'm dead serious.

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P-L
04-01-2009, 09:37 PM
Good stuff D. Keep it coming.

princefielder28
04-01-2009, 09:39 PM
Ed Davis to Milwaukee would be ballin'

scottyboy
04-01-2009, 09:40 PM
excellent stuff D, can't wait to see what you have the Nets do.

hooray for having a 4 win March...:/

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 10:12 PM
Good stuff D. Keep it coming.
Thanks PL. This is only Part III of VII. So yeah, more on the way. :)

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 10:12 PM
Ed Davis to Milwaukee would be ballin'
Glad you like the pick! I think Ed Davis is the real deal Holyfield.

D-Unit
04-01-2009, 10:13 PM
excellent stuff D, can't wait to see what you have the Nets do.

hooray for having a 4 win March...:/
I really like the player I gave to the Nets.... but I'm not leaving you any clues. :D

D-Unit
04-02-2009, 04:06 PM
Part IV


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Quite a bit of action so far in the draft. Should make for a very exciting season for these teams next season. Next up are the Toronto Raptors lead by Super GM, Bryan Colangelo.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: You have to respect Colangelo for the way he turned around the Suns and the way he assembled the Redeem Team and brought the Gold back to US soil. But Quite Frankly, the Raptors are a mess and you have to wonder how long until they get themselves out of that rut they're in. You KNOW they're going to lose Chris Bosh at some point. But knowing Bryan, he'll get a deal done that will help the Raptors in some capacity and not lose Bosh for nothing. Could Bosh's future replacement be the pick here?

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: You're absolutely right Steven. Bryan Colangelo is one of the most brilliant masterminds in the game of basketball known all throughout the world. (a classic overstatement by Walton, lol). There's no doubt in my mind that the Raptors will some day find themselves a top the Eastern Conference leaderboard sooner rather than later.


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Could we finally see Jordan Hill's name called? Here comes the Commish.


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With the 8th pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Toronto Raptors select
Power Forward , Jordan Hill from the University of Arizona.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: Hey!!! We finally got one right! *OUCH!*

*Walton kicks Rose on the shin under the table*

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: Well, we are supposed to be the experts and that's why we are hired for this job.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: We've got a live web broadcast feed to share with our viewers. Raptors GM, Bryan Colangelo is waiting in his war room ready to answer questions regarding his selection of Jordan Hill. Bryan, how did you come about in making the decision to take Jordan Hill?

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Bryan Colangelo: Hi guys, happy to be here with you today. Our selection of Jordan Hill makes us thrilled. We had Jordan ranked #3 on our Big Board after Blake Griffin and Hasheem Thabeet. So to have landed him here with the 8th pick is better than we hoped for. Sometimes players slide on draft day because of the overhyping of the fast risers during the draft process. But we've been watching Jordan for a very long time and we're more than satisfied with the player who we think we got.

This doesn't mean for one second that Chris Bosh becomes expendable, because he is the leader of our team and we want to sign him to an extension as soon as possible. However, he has made it clear that if an extension isn't agreed upon that he will enter FA and opt out of his final year.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: Hi Bryan, since you brought up Bosh's name, let me ask you. Is the thought of trading him a reality if an extension isn't agreed upon by the trade deadline?


Bryan Colangelo: Steven, you're a true professional, you always have the most direct questions. :) I'm not sure I can answer that at this time, but I can tell you that if that situation does arise, that we feel we like we covered our backsides somewhat with this selection of Jordan Hill.

D-Unit's Analysis: There were other options that I was contemplating with the way the board has shaken down at this point, but I honestly do feel like Bosh is not going to have a long future in Toronto. The Raptors would do themselves a service by trying to cover their asses sooner rather than later. You can tell that they intend to be players in the Summer of 2010. Shawn Marion's contract is off the books this year, so don't be surprised to see them make a move this year either. They have a lot of needs. Only Calderon and Bargnani have starting spots locked up for the long term future. They trim their payroll from $73M to $45M in 2009. Of course, they'll lose key players like Anthony Parker and Shawn Marion in doing so. That's why I think Demar DeRozan could've been a possibility. If DeRozan is the next Kobe, like some people think, then Colangelo might never forgive himself. But for the record, I don't think he's the next Kobe. Not even close. That said, I'm not a big fan of Jordan Hill either. I think he's improving, but his talent is limited by his extreme lack of fundamentals. Perhaps a serviceable player who can provide energy, but not a Superstar worthly of a Top 5 pick. I don't even consider him a Top 10 pick worthy, but eh... I'll go with this for now. Don't want to be too extreme, even if I think it.


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Next up we have the Memphis Grizzlies who are now back on the clock after trading down from the #4 pick to the #9 pick when they made the trade with the NY Knicks.

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Rick Bucher: Actually, Mike... I'm now hearing that the trade details that we announced earlier were not completely true. The Knicks don't have a first round pick in 2010 due to their trade with the Utah Jazz. Once we get the final details, I'll let you know.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Good Stuff Rick. We here at ESPN are always trying to bring our audience the most breaking news, so it's understandable. We'll wait final confirmation.

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Chad Ford: The Grizzlies still have a lot of great options to go with here. I thought Mike Conley really started to step up after the team cleared the way for him to get minutes by trading away Kyle Lowry and Javaris Crittenton. OJ Mayo was a marvel and did everything the team hoped for out of his first year in the league. Rudy *** has already established himself as a force in this league and Darrell Arthur and Marc Gasol seem to be a future formidable low post tandem for many years to come. The problem I see with that team talent wise is that there is absolutely NO depth. So they can really go any position here, which is why I think they have a lot of great options. I had them selecting James Hardy at #4 in my mock, but now that they are here, I think a guy like Demar DeRozan, Al-Farouq Aminu or Earl Clark could be a few of the names they are looking at. All have versatility and when you're talking about a team that needs to shore up depth, you've got to be looking at players who can provide help at more than 1 position.


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: It appears the Commissioner is ready to announce the selection for the Grizzlies.

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With the 9th pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Memphis Grizzlies select
Guard Demar DeRozan from the University of Southern California.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Sooo guys, Demar DeRozan is the pick... Thoughts???

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/brown_web.jpg Hubie Brown: I can't believe it's been almost 5 years since I left coaching the Grizzlies. Despite the lack of winning ways for the franchise, they were a great organization to work for. I do believe that there is some sunlight right around the corner though. I really like DeRozan as the pick here. He's a phenomenal athlete and can play 2 positions in the pros. SG and SF. Chad Ford was saying they needed depth and this pick not only solidifies depth at 2 positions, he could end up being a starter one day.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: What I like about this selection is that it brings together 2 USC Trojans that didn't have chance to play alongside each other, but now the world will be able to see what kind of dynamic duo OJ Mayo and Demar DeRozan can be.

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D-Unit's Analysis: DeRozan is a special talent. There's no doubt about that. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the Top 5. The Grizzlies have talent, but they are waaay too young to wreak any havoc just yet. Give them time, I definitely like what the future beholds. Problem is they can't attract good FAs. Props to them for not shelling out big contracts to mediocre FAs though. Soooooo they have to continue to build through the draft until they become a more attractive destination. Right now, they have no depth. Last year, they took the USC phenom, OJ Mayo who's versatility helps them at the PG and SG positions. Look for them to go back to the same well on another versatile player. Demar DeRozan is one of the most explosive athletes in this draft and can spot up at SG or SF. Just like Mayo who had an underwhelming freshman season with the Trojans, Demar experienced the same fate. ...and just like Mayo, his game translates better to the NBA game where there is more spacing and isolations. His versatility and upside make him a better pro prosect than the so called safer James Harden pick in my opinion. Demar is going to wow scouts in his private workouts and I'm not going to be caught off guard seeing him go much higher than this. The Griz can now take advantage of Mayo's versatility and put different looks on the floor by going with a Mayo-DeRozan backcourt and not feel mismatched going against other big backcourts in the NBA.

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M.O.T.H.
04-02-2009, 05:26 PM
I like Hill but not on the Raptors...They have enough of a problem with Bosh and Bargnani as their soft/light bigs on the defensive end. Now Hill would be an improvement but, I dont like the idea of teaming him up with Bargnani and leaving him at center. Andrea is a very good offensive guy but, he doesnt play like a center on either end. He's not great defensively and he doesnt rebound well, he should be in Bosh's spot next year and they should probably grab a true center or a two guard. Anthony Parker isn't the toughest of guys to unseat. They could def. use an upgrade there. Some believe Marion will be back so, I'd put SF on the backburner as well, in favor of the two previously mentioned positions. They really need backcourt help. Just my two cents.

D-Unit
04-02-2009, 05:53 PM
I like Hill but not on the Raptors...They have enough of a problem with Bosh and Bargnani as their soft/light bigs on the defensive end. Now Hill would be an improvement but, I dont like the idea of teaming him up with Bargnani and leaving him at center. Andrea is a very good offensive guy but, he doesnt play like a center on either end. He's not great defensively and he doesnt rebound well, he should be in Bosh's spot next year and they should probably grab a true center or a two guard. Anthony Parker isn't the toughest of guys to unseat. They could def. use an upgrade there. Some believe Marion will be back so, I'd put SF on the backburner as well, in favor of the two previously mentioned positions. They really need backcourt help. Just my two cents.
This is only Part IV. This story isn't quite over... hint hint. ;)

El Peefs?????
04-02-2009, 06:16 PM
I agree with you on Derozan's NBA style game. He really looked good near the end of the year, especially in the Pac 10 tourney. I honestly think he'll be a fast riser on draft boards and end up going a bit higher than you have him on here. Definitely a lot of potential there though.

Though you having Ed Davis declaring and not Monroe confuses me a bit D. This is a really weak draft class, Monroe's skills are never going to be fully realized (or utilized correctly) playing in the GTown offense, & he is a lottery lock.

D-Unit
04-02-2009, 06:21 PM
I agree with you on Derozan's NBA style game. He really looked good near the end of the year, especially in the Pac 10 tourney. I honestly think he'll be a fast riser on draft boards and end up going a bit higher than you have him on here. Definitely a lot of potential there though.

Though you having Ed Davis declaring and not Monroe confuses me a bit D. This is a really weak draft class, Monroe's skills are never going to be fully realized (or utilized correctly) playing in the GTown offense, & he is a lottery lock.
GT guys have always seemed the type to stick around. UNC guys are traditionally 1 and done. Both could end up declaring and that wouldn't surprise me. Both positions are weak in this draft. But ghetto has also said Monroe is coming back and he's the guy who keeps up with that team a helluva lot more, so I went with it.

aNYtitan
04-02-2009, 08:40 PM
I'm enjoying what your doing here D-Unit, it is quite imaginative to say the least. If the Knicks wind up in any way possible with Ricky Rubio, I will cry tears of joy. The best PG prospect in the world at this time, and has been compared to players from Walt Frazier to Steve Nash. He would also give us a legitimate backup PG, because Nasty Nate just doesn't distribute the ball well enough to be a PG. Like stated before, I would love the pick, but I don't think Rubio will make himself eligible for the draft.

Chucky
04-02-2009, 08:48 PM
To be honest I really dont like the Hill pick. I think the raps have got to go Derozen there. Their wing players already suck and they are probably going to lose both their starters. While I think that we will be trading Bosh this off-season and because no one knows what the raps will get in return it is very hard to project. If the Raps were to trade Bosh for some sort of package around Monta Ellis and like Anthony Randolph/ Biedrins ( just speculation), then the Hill pick might make more sense, but right now I dont like it.


I really am enjoying reading this whole thing though. Keep it up.

EDIT- didnt see your response to MOTH. But still I agree that the raps are more in need of a 5 to replace Bosh than a 4. Although Bargnani can play C he is prob more suited for PF

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
04-02-2009, 08:59 PM
You needed Walton to call the Jennings pick, "The worst pick... in the HISTORY of Western Civilization. To see a once proud team like the Kings make this move is disheartening, really. The Maloofs have lost their minds, and this team will not escape the NBA cellar for at least another decade and a half."

Malaka
04-02-2009, 09:36 PM
Although I completely hated the Gallinari pick last year, and still do... I would absolutely love Ricky Rubio, if the Knicks managed to get him, I would start to care about what the Knicks did again, because right now I am a fan who could not careless what that team is doing. I was unfucking believably pissed at D'Antoni for taking Gallinari.

If David Lee develops a decent mid-range shot, we get Ricky Rubio, and Gallinari proves me wrong we'd have the a great young solid corp. and starting corp. of white guys lol.

D-Unit
04-02-2009, 09:36 PM
I'm enjoying what your doing here D-Unit, it is quite imaginative to say the least. If the Knicks wind up in any way possible with Ricky Rubio, I will cry tears of joy. The best PG prospect in the world at this time, and has been compared to players from Walt Frazier to Steve Nash. He would also give us a legitimate backup PG, because Nasty Nate just doesn't distribute the ball well enough to be a PG. Like stated before, I would love the pick, but I don't think Rubio will make himself eligible for the draft.
I'm glad you're enjoying it. It was fun. Rubio is the kind of guy D'Antoni would go for like the Bears went for Cutler.

fenikz
04-02-2009, 10:58 PM
go part 5!

D-Unit
04-02-2009, 11:03 PM
You needed Walton to call the Jennings pick, "The worst pick... in the HISTORY of Western Civilization. To see a once proud team like the Kings make this move is disheartening, really. The Maloofs have lost their minds, and this team will not escape the NBA cellar for at least another decade and a half."
Yeah, probably could've dramatized it a lot more. Nobody is talking about Jennings going that high. But really... Sacramento is the only team that "I think" would be willing to pull the trigger on a decision like that. I wouldn't give Jennings to any team picking #2.

D-Unit
04-02-2009, 11:06 PM
go part 5!
Alright Excitement!!! Ask and you shall receive...



Part V


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: OK, so let's recap the picks so far:



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1. F Blake Griffin, Washington Wizards

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2. PG Brandon Jennings, Sacramento Kings

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3. C Hasheem Thabeet, LA Clippers

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4. PG Ricky Rubio, NY Knicks via trade with the Memphis Grizzlies

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5. SG James Harden, Oklahoma City Thunder

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6. G Tyreke Evans, Minnesota Timberwolves

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7. PF Ed Davis, Milwaukee Bucks via trade with Golden State Warriors

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8. PF Jordan Hill, Toronto Raptors

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9. SG DeMar DeRozan, Memphis Grizzlies via trade with the NY Knicks


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/walton_web.jpg Bill Walton: I love the excitement that draft day brings. Fans from all teams think of this day like a second Christmas. And just like Christmas, some fans will be delighted with toys straight from their Christmas list, while others will soon find out their presents are nothing but hard coal.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: A classic Bill Walton special there folks. *a hearty chuckle from all across the room*

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: The 10th pick of the draft is owned by the New Jersey Nets. I'm really excited to see who Jay-Z and his posse are going to select here. I'm going to go out on a limb and say one of Rick Pitino's Louisville Sluggers are going to get taken here.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Looks like we're about to find out now. Let's listen to the Commissioner.

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With the 10th pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the New Jersey Nets select
Guard Terrence Williams, University of Louisville.

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Dicky V: SER-EN-DIPITY BABY!!! T-Will is a tenacious beast! An extremely hard worker who did everything the right way. He'll be the first person in his family to graduate with a college degree. A classic example for young kids to look up to. Coming into the season nobody would've guessed that Terrence Williams would be a first rounder, much less a Top 10 pick! Coached by the great Rick Pitino at the University of Louisville, Terrence truly got to experience everything the college game had to offer. I'm sure he wouldn't have given up his experience for anything. He really exceled this year and took his game to another level. He's now an NBA ready player. Big props to the Nets for selecting this great young ambassador of the NCAA college basketball game.

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Chad Ford: Terrence Williams is what I call a "high riser". Every year we have a couple of players that really separate themselves during the draft evaluation process based off their extreme athleticism and explosiveness. Last year it was Joe Alexander, this year Terrence Williams put on a show everywhere he went. His measureables were off the charts. Every GM I spoke to could not stop raving about him. There are a lot of upset teams right now at this selection. Most were hoping for him be available in the 14-20 range. Now they will have to look elsewhere.

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D-Unit's Analysis: Terrence Williams in the Top 10? Terrence Williams the first Louisville player taken? You might be thinking I'm high. This is a legit projection fellahs. Most sites like NBADraft.net and DraftExpress.com have T-Will going 25 and 16 respectively. ESPN's Chad Ford has him ranked #24 in his Top 100. I really don't care. I absolutely love him as a player and I think NBA teams will see that he projects as a big success on the next level. Even though that youtube clip only showed his dunking abilities, Williams is much more than that and will be much more than that. His defense really stands out to me and I think he's one of the special defensive stoppers in this draft. He is also a really good passer... so good that often times his teammates don't expect to get the ball, when they get it. He is a good enough dribbler that he can bring the ball up court against a press defense. The big question people have with him is his outside shot, but I only see him getting better and better in that department and it's not half bad to start off with anyways. Who I like to compare him to is Andre Iguodala.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/rose_jalen_web.jpg Jalen Rose: We have Jay-Z waiting on the line here to explain to us why the Nets made this pick.

So what's the story behind this, Jay-Z?

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Jay-Z: Hey Jalen, it's good to be here on ESPN talking with you guys. The reason why we went with Terrence Williams was because we saw a special talent. We saw an NBA ready body. We saw elite athleticism already graded above many existing NBA players. He also put it all together in his Senior year at Louisville and proved to us on film that he can play the game. We love his swagger and attitude. He can play offense, defense and we saw how Rick Pitino could control the flow of the game by facilitating the ball through him. We still believe Vince can lead this team, but we can't afford to take our time developing players around him. Additionally, Vince's clock is ticking and his knees are already not like they used to be. T-Will is going to be a big part of the future of the Nets.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Thanks for spending the time to talk with us Jay-Z.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/bucher_web.jpg Rick Bucher: We now have the final details of the Milwaukee / Golden State trade.

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Milwaukee receives:

7th pick of the draft, used to select PF Ed Davis
PG Jamal Crawford

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Golden State receives:

12th pick of the draft
F Charlie Villanueva

I really think this trade helps both sides. Milwaukee gets the PF that they sought after and a tall PG with outside range to compliment Ramon Sessions. Golden State gets a big man who fits perfectly playing "Nellie Ball" and will be able to have an immediate impact for Don Nelson before he ends his career.


http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Moving right along, next up are the Indiana Pacers with the 11th pick. Magic, you've been awfully quiet there. Where do you think your old nemesis, Larry Bird goes with this pick?


http://www.espnmediazone.com/images/johnson_magic.jpg Magic Johnson: I know Larry really well. We're like brothers. So I can be honest when I say this. Larry has not done a good job as GM for the Pacers. He simply has not been successful there. I'm sure he thought when he first took the job that that team would've been farther along at this point. What will he do here? He's a tough guy to predict. I know that. He might do something that will surprise some folks.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: Magic, you're too kind with your word. Quite Frankly, Larry Bird is a TERRRRRILBLE GM! He's taken that team backwards since he took over. It's really a big mess. If not for getting lucky with the Danny Granger pick, they're probably picking in the Top 3.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Well, let's see. I'm getting word that the Commissioner is on his way down to the podium. Let's take a short Commercial Break here and we'll bring you back when the Commissioner is ready to announce the pick.


*Commercial Break*

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Back we are and here is Commissioner Stern ready to announce the pick.


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With the 11th pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Indiana Pacers select
Forward Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest University.

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http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/smith_stephena_web.jpg Stephen A. Smith: This pick baffles me. Once again, Larry Bird disappoints me. Sure Aminu is fine young promising player, but he plays the same position as Mike Dunleavy who you pay $10M+ to annually AND Danny Granger...your Franchise player! You won't catch me like this very often, but I'm at a lost for words.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Chad, any thoughts on why Larry Bird went here with this pick?

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Chad Ford: Can't say that I completely agree with the pick other than saying Aminu has great value at this point in the draft. If Larry is looking for the best talent left on the board, then Aminu is arguably the best raw talent available. There are better more established players, but Aminu has a really high ceiling. However, that said... I almost wonder if this is a repeat of the Shawne Williams selection Larry Bird made in the 2006 draft. We all know how that panned out.

http://www.espnmediazone.com/press_kits/nba/images/tirico_web.jpg Mike Tirico: Thanks Chad. Interesting thoughts. Let's talk to the man of the hour, Al-Farouq Aminu. He has just finished shaking the Commissioner's hand and is sitting down with Suzy Kolber near the stage.

*Suzy is discussing her wardrobe falfunction not knowing she's on the air*

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http://images.askmen.com/women/votes_250/pictures_250/sexy_female_sportscasters/suzy_kolber.jpg Suzy Kolber: Hey Eric (ESPN backstage coordinator), is this dress as transparent on camera as it is in real life. I'm looking at myself now and I can't go on the air. I didn't realize the light shined through my dress so easily. I'm not wearing a bra.

http://www.roanoke.com/dtiphotos/2588727.jpg Eric (ESPN backstage coordinator): Too late Suzy! You're LIVE! GO! GO! GO!

http://images.askmen.com/women/votes_250/pictures_250/sexy_female_sportscasters/suzy_kolber.jpg Suzy Kolber: We're live?! Hello Pacers fans! I'm sitting here now with the newest member of your team, Al-Farouq Aminu who hails from Wake Forest Universtiy. Al-Farouq... I hope I'm pronouncing that right... How did you feel being selected by the Pacers?

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Al-Farouq Aminu: It's an unbelievable feeling! Just knowing that my life long dream has finally come true at that moment. I just don't have any words to describe it. This is the best moment of my life. I'm really thankful that the Pacers decided to pick me. I know I can come in and help them out right away. Whether that's as a starter or coming off the bench.

Suzy Kolber: Interesting that you brought that up. How do you feel knowing that there are two established players there at the same position you play in Mike Dunleavy and Danny Granger?

Al-Farouq Aminu: I'm just ready to come in and learn. I know those guys can play multiple positions and so can I. I'm sure there's a reason why they took me and I know God has a purpose for me.

Suzy Kolber: I'm sure you'll fit in nicely. Thank you for spending the time with us today. Just bring donuts to your first practice and you'll be fine.

Al-Farouq Aminu: Thanks for the "pointers", Suzy. ;)


*Suzy looks down at her nipples and quickly rushes back to her waredrobe*

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D-Unit's Analysis: AFA is a pure baller. I still think he's extremely raw, but he is so smooth and makes the game look effortless. He's a guy who has a deep toolset. He has the skills to play 3 positions in the NBA and maybe even 4 in some systems. Kind of like a Boris Diaw. His name, Al-Farouq means "the chief has arrived"... and it's certainly fitting here.

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D-Unit
04-07-2009, 03:54 PM
Should I finish this???

Mr. Hero
04-07-2009, 04:07 PM
Although I completely hated the Gallinari pick last year, and still do... I would absolutely love Ricky Rubio, if the Knicks managed to get him, I would start to care about what the Knicks did again, because right now I am a fan who could not careless what that team is doing. I was unfucking believably pissed at D'Antoni for taking Gallinari.

If David Lee develops a decent mid-range shot, we get Ricky Rubio, and Gallinari proves me wrong we'd have the a great young solid corp. and starting corp. of white guys lol.

A) D'Antoni didn't pick gallo, that one was on walsh with a positive scouting report from Isiah
B) Gallo's the smartest knick right now, our best shooter and our best passer. Just had successful surgery on his back today and should be completely healthy by TC. Kid's almost seven feet tall and is probably our best Point right now. PLus his man D was a lot better than expected and he's a good help defender. I didn't really like the gallo pick when it went down, but what he showed in TC and italy, my buddy got me some tapes of gallo's from his uncle in turin, has turned me into a huge fan. Kid is so basketball smart and has that type of special fire that the great players have, I think in time gallo will become Lamar Odom with a better head on his shoulders.
C) I love me some Lee, but he's such a mediocre defender and really should be a PF, but won't be a starter there down the line with Gallo and Ill WIll taking over the forward spots, that I'm not really sure how long he'll remain a knick. This summer he needs to put on a lot of muscle to be able to handle playing C, have you not watched them this year, David has developed a mid-range J and there was word that this summer he planned on developing a three point shot.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-07-2009, 04:23 PM
Should I finish this???

Yes you should, you have done a great job on this. Props for all the hard work.

Hurricanes25
04-07-2009, 04:25 PM
Should I finish this???

I have enjoyed reading this. You should finish it.

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 04:54 PM
A) D'Antoni didn't pick gallo, that one was on walsh with a positive scouting report from Isiah
B) Gallo's the smartest knick right now, our best shooter and our best passer. Just had successful surgery on his back today and should be completely healthy by TC. Kid's almost seven feet tall and is probably our best Point right now. PLus his man D was a lot better than expected and he's a good help defender. I didn't really like the gallo pick when it went down, but what he showed in TC and italy, my buddy got me some tapes of gallo's from his uncle in turin, has turned me into a huge fan. Kid is so basketball smart and has that type of special fire that the great players have, I think in time gallo will become Lamar Odom with a better head on his shoulders.
C) I love me some Lee, but he's such a mediocre defender and really should be a PF, but won't be a starter there down the line with Gallo and Ill WIll taking over the forward spots, that I'm not really sure how long he'll remain a knick. This summer he needs to put on a lot of muscle to be able to handle playing C, have you not watched them this year, David has developed a mid-range J and there was word that this summer he planned on developing a three point shot.
Are you saying D'Antoni gets no credit for this pick and that Gallo would have been the pick if Isaiah was still there? Just seems odd. Walsh taking advice from the guy he fired... hmmm....

And even though D'Antoni played basketball on the same team with Gallinari's father for many year's in Italy... and have extremely close ties...

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that Gallinari was Isaiah's pick relayed to Walsh and that D'Antoni sat on a log and watched it unfold that way by happenstance.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 05:09 PM
Are you saying D'Antoni gets no credit for this pick and that Gallo would have been the pick if Isaiah was still there? Just seems odd. Walsh taking advice from the guy he fired... hmmm....

And even though D'Antoni played basketball on the same team with Gallinari's father for many year's in Italy... and have extremely close ties...

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that Gallinari was Isaiah's pick relayed to Walsh and that D'Antoni sat on a log and watched it unfold that way by happenstance.

Isiah is still a "consultant" for the knicks. So he still is with the organization cause of dolan pretty much. He is pretty much a knicks scout since the draft is the only thing he was good at.

scottyboy
04-07-2009, 05:52 PM
hmm Williams. very interesting pick, and I surprisingly like it. He's a good talent and pretty good fit and perfect need wise

Mr. Hero
04-07-2009, 05:57 PM
Are you saying D'Antoni gets no credit for this pick and that Gallo would have been the pick if Isaiah was still there? Just seems odd. Walsh taking advice from the guy he fired... hmmm....

And even though D'Antoni played basketball on the same team with Gallinari's father for many year's in Italy... and have extremely close ties...

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that Gallinari was Isaiah's pick relayed to Walsh and that D'Antoni sat on a log and watched it unfold that way by happenstance.

Walsh had a number of our scouts, including Isiah, watch gallo before Mike D even came aboard. Mike himself has admitted to having not seen much of the kid play and it was walsh who sold him on gallo instead of mike convincing walsh to pick gallo. It wasn't Isiah's pick, but Isiah scouted him and had him as our second best option after eric gordon. I'd hate to have to go back through various archives to find them but through interviews with walsh and d'antoni that's how it happened.

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 05:59 PM
Isiah is still a "consultant" for the knicks. So he still is with the organization cause of dolan pretty much. He is pretty much a knicks scout since the draft is the only thing he was good at.
I thought Isaiah was only a consultant in title because he has dirty laundry on everyone. I didn't think they actually took his advice still.

So you too think D'Antoni wasn't a big influence on the Gallinari pick?

How are the Knicks making their picks then... through Isaiah? Does D'Antoni clash at all? Is he ok being a voice on the back burner? Does he and Isaiah communicate often? Are they on the same page? Does Isaiah make picks to fit D'Antoni's philosophy? If so, what makes him more qualified to make those decisions than D'Antoni himself? Is Isaiah still then an acting GM? I just don't see how Isaiah gets credit here. Walsh and Dolan don't get involved? What's the pecking order here?

Someone please explain. Thank you.

Mr. Hero
04-07-2009, 06:06 PM
I thought Isaiah was only a consultant in title because he has dirty laundry on everyone. I didn't think they actually took his advice still.

So you too think D'Antoni wasn't a big influence on the Gallinari pick?

How are the Knicks making their picks then... through Isaiah? Does D'Antoni clash at all? Is he ok being a voice on the back burner? Does he and Isaiah communicate often? Are they on the same page? Does Isaiah make picks to fit D'Antoni's philosophy? If so, what makes him more qualified to make those decisions than D'Antoni himself? Is Isaiah still then an acting GM? I just don't see how Isaiah gets credit here. Walsh and Dolan don't get involved? What's the pecking order here?

Someone please explain. Thank you.

Walsh is in charge, Isiah is a scout with a fancy title because dolan doesn't want to buy out his contract. Walsh sends isiah to scout players, just like he does all of our other scouts. He doesn't give advice, he just reports on the players he's sent to watch. Walsh and D'Antoni communicate, but generally Mike stays out of roster management and Walsh consults him to make sure players fit our team when he's making moves.

And Dolan sits in his office with his thumbs up his ass "because he's loyal", read "because he's clueless" and isn't involved at all. The man signs checks and stays out of the way.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 06:07 PM
I thought Isaiah was only a consultant in title because he has dirty laundry on everyone. I didn't think they actually took his advice still.

So you too think D'Antoni wasn't a big influence on the Gallinari pick?

How are the Knicks making their picks then... through Isaiah? Does D'Antoni clash at all? Is he ok being a voice on the back burner? Does he and Isaiah communicate often? Are they on the same page? Does Isaiah make picks to fit D'Antoni's philosophy? If so, what makes him more qualified to make those decisions than D'Antoni himself? Is Isaiah still then an acting GM? I just don't see how Isaiah gets credit here. Walsh and Dolan don't get involved? What's the pecking order here?

Someone please explain. Thank you.

D'antoni Had a influence he doesn't just sit around during the off season doing nothing lol he looks at draft prospects like all coach's do. He know of gallo cause of gallo's dad but that isn't the only reason we picked danillo. Isiah for all the flack he gets is pretty good when it comes to the draft so when Walsh and D'Antoni tell him the things they want in a player he knows how to find those players. Isiah isn't the gm or involved in fa or trades. He is basically a draft scout we send him away to italy or wherever every now and a then and he gives us his opinion on draft prospects only. Isiah doesn't get anymore credit then any of are other scouts he is just a prominently known one. Walsh and D'Antoni scout as well so Isiah gets some credit not all on Gallo.

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 06:21 PM
D'antoni Had a influence he doesn't just sit around during the off season doing nothing lol he looks at draft prospects like all coach's do. He know of gallo cause of gallo's dad but that isn't the only reason we picked danillo. Isiah for all the flack he gets is pretty good when it comes to the draft so when Walsh and D'Antoni tell him the things they want in a player he knows how to find those players. Isiah isn't the gm or involved in fa or trades. He is basically a draft scout we send him away to italy or wherever every now and a then and he gives us his opinion on draft prospects only. Isiah doesn't get anymore credit then any of are other scouts he is just a prominently known one. Walsh and D'Antoni scout as well so Isiah gets some credit not all on Gallo.
Well, it's pretty obvious that Isaiah didn't discover Gallinari in his scouting. And from the sound of things, Isaiah is scouting based off direction from D'Antoni... because the playing style and specific needs are based off D'Antoni's philosophy. Is somebody else other than D'Antoni explaining D'Antoni's needs? What I'm getting at is....

Where is the main source of direction coming from?

If Walsh is the GM... and he's asking D'Antoni what he wants, then D'Antoni is main man.

If Walsh is telling D'Antoni what D'Antoni needs, then Walsh is the main man.

If Isaiah is telling Walsh and D'Antoni what they need, then Isaiah is the main man.

So who's the main man responsible for the decision making philosophy/direction?

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 06:24 PM
Well, it's pretty obvious that Isaiah didn't discover Gallinari in his scouting. And from the sound of things, Isaiah is scouting based off direction from D'Antoni... because the playing style and specific needs are based off D'Antoni's philosophy. Is somebody else other than D'Antoni explaining D'Antoni's needs? What I'm getting at is....

Where is the main source of direction coming from?

If Walsh is the GM... and he's asking D'Antoni what he wants, then D'Antoni is main man.

If Walsh is telling D'Antoni what D'Antoni needs, then Walsh is the main man.

If Isaiah is telling Walsh and D'Antoni what they need, then Isaiah is the main man.

So who's the main man responsible for the decision making philosophy/direction?

Walsh and D'Antoni are working together just like otis and stan van do just like all gms and coaches do gms just dont acquire people without dealing with the coach. Walsh is the gm D'antoni is coach its not a hard concept D.

Walsh tells Isiah were to go and who to look at. Isiah has no say he goes where they tell him to.

Mr. Hero
04-07-2009, 06:24 PM
Well, it's pretty obvious that Isaiah didn't discover Gallinari in his scouting. And from the sound of things, Isaiah is scouting based off direction from D'Antoni... because the playing style and specific needs are based off D'Antoni's philosophy. Is somebody else other than D'Antoni explaining D'Antoni's needs? What I'm getting at is....

Where is the main source of direction coming from?

If Walsh is the GM... and he's asking D'Antoni what he wants, then D'Antoni is main man.

If Walsh is telling D'Antoni what D'Antoni needs, then Walsh is the main man.

If Isaiah is telling Walsh and D'Antoni what they need, then Isaiah is the main man.

So who's the main man responsible for the decision making philosophy/direction?

Walsh is the main man, but walsh is working to fit in D'Antoni's system. So while ultimately it's his call he works closely with d'antoni. Isiah's not a factor, he's just another scout.

Mr. Hero
04-07-2009, 06:28 PM
LT since we seem to be repeating one another I'll just let you explain it til D-Unit understands how a GM and Coach work together, you know them cowboys fans aren't always the quickest learners :p

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 06:29 PM
LT since we seem to be repeating one another I'll just let you explain it til D-Unit understands how a GM and Coach work together, you know them cowboys fans aren't always the quickest learners :P

lol sure I will take care of this

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 06:32 PM
Hey now, I had it right in the first place until Hero confused me. :/

After he said this:

"A) D'Antoni didn't pick gallo, that one was on walsh with a positive scouting report from Isiah"

It made me think D'Antoni had no influence on the pick. Obviously Walsh took direction from D'Antoni there. Isaiah's endorsement was nothing more than "thanks for the side notes Zeke".

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 06:35 PM
LT since we seem to be repeating one another I'll just let you explain it til D-Unit understands how a GM and Coach work together, you know them cowboys fans aren't always the quickest learners :p
LOL. You're not even on the same page as LT. You basically told me Walsh gets the credit for the Gallo pick and he made the pick based off Isaiah's glowing report. Mr. Hero... LOL.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 06:35 PM
Hey now, I had it right in the first place until Hero confused me. :/

After he said this:

"A) D'Antoni didn't pick gallo, that one was on walsh with a positive scouting report from Isiah"

It made me think D'Antoni had no influence on the pick. Obviously Walsh took direction from D'Antoni there. Isaiah's endorsement was nothing more than "thanks for the side notes Zeke".

pretty much d. They all scouted him but Isiah's endorsement was not the end all be all on the pick it was that all the scouts (including Isiah liked him) Walsh liked him. Dantoni liked what he saw and Knew about him as well as his friendship with Danillo's dad.

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 06:36 PM
lol sure I will take care of this
Get that guy back here to answer for his sassy self.

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 06:38 PM
pretty much d. They all scouted him but Isiah's endorsement was not the end all be all on the pick it was that all the scouts (including Isiah liked him) Walsh liked him. Dantoni liked what he saw and Knew about him as well as his friendship with Danillo's dad.
Exactly why I said Gallinari was D'Antoni's doing. If D'Antoni is not the coach, Gallinari is not the pick for the Knicks.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 06:39 PM
Get that guy back here to answer for himself.

well i just answered your last post so i dont think i have anything left to explain on this. If you want Hero back nothing I can do about that http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 06:40 PM
Exactly why I said Gallinari was D'Antoni's doing. If D'Antoni is not the coach, Gallinari is not the pick for the Knicks.

idk I guess you can say that it is not 100% true Walsh mite have still picked him if D'Antoni wasn't coach

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 06:57 PM
idk I guess you can say that it is not 100% true Walsh mite have still picked him if D'Antoni wasn't coach
Knicks fans.... :P

Be honest, you were one of the thousands and thousands of Knicks fans that booed the pick. It was one of the funniest scenes at Madison Square Garden when the Knicks announced that pick. The Boos were classic.

Mr. Hero
04-07-2009, 06:59 PM
LOL. You're not even on the same page as LT. You basically told me Walsh gets the credit for the Gallo pick and he made the pick based off Isaiah's glowing report. Mr. Hero... LOL.

No, I said that Walsh was the guy who wanted gallo, I shouldn't even have mentioned zeke though. D'Antoni really didn't scout gallo though so I don't see how you credit him for the pick. Sure gallo fits mike d's scheme, but mike D isn't the only coach who likes smart players who pass well, have a good understanding of the game, are wet from three, are constant mis-matches and are crafty on D. this team was high on Gallo before D'Antoni, and when D'Antoni was brought on board Walsh confirmed with him that gallo fit mike d's scheme.

It's not like we didn't scout him and once mike D came aboard we suddenly decided to select gallo, our scouts have been watching this kid for a few years now and Walsh was very high on him as well. Unless we brought in a different coach with whom gallo just didn't fit we'd probably have selected Gallinari with or without coach D'antoni.

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 07:15 PM
No, I said that Walsh was the guy who wanted gallo, I shouldn't even have mentioned zeke though. D'Antoni really didn't scout gallo though so I don't see how you credit him for the pick. Sure gallo fits mike d's scheme, but mike D isn't the only coach who likes smart players who pass well, have a good understanding of the game, are wet from three, are constant mis-matches and are crafty on D. this team was high on Gallo before D'Antoni, and when D'Antoni was brought on board Walsh confirmed with him that gallo fit mike d's scheme.

It's not like we didn't scout him and once mike D came aboard we suddenly decided to select gallo, our scouts have been watching this kid for a few years now and Walsh was very high on him as well. Unless we brought in a different coach with whom gallo just didn't fit we'd probably have selected Gallinari with or without coach D'antoni.
IDK I guess you can't say that it's 100% true Walsh might have still picked Gallo if D'Antoni wasn't the coach.

What do you mean D'Antoni didn't scout Gallo?

...like he didn't break down film, didn't watch him in private workouts and didn't talk to his European contacts including the guy's father in building his own evaluation of the player?

Walsh doesn't have such a rich history of drafting Euros that would lead me to believe Gallinari would've been the pick. If he had, that would've been on thing, but he doesn't.

But thanks for the interesting discussion.

brat316
04-07-2009, 07:20 PM
damn it get to the sixers' and cavs' and bob cats' pick

Mr. Hero
04-07-2009, 07:21 PM
IDK I guess you can't say that it's 100% true Walsh might have still picked Gallo if D'Antoni wasn't the coach.

What do you mean D'Antoni didn't scout Gallo?

...like he didn't break down film, didn't watch him in private workouts and didn't talk to his European contacts including the guy's father in building his own evaluation of the player?

Walsh doesn't have such a rich history of drafting Euros that would lead me to believe Gallinari would've been the pick. If he had, that would've been on thing, but he doesn't.

But thanks for the interesting discussion.

D'Antoni admitted in interviews last offseason that he hadn't really watched gallo play and it was Walsh that really liked the kid. I know there's the obvious gallinari Sr. - D'Antoni connection but that wasn't really significant part in the selection of gallo. Walsh is really high on the kid and has said he thinks he has Bird-potential, I know walsh isn't a big euro guy, I think he was just really high on Danilo Gallinari the prospect.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 07:52 PM
Knicks fans.... :P

Be honest, you were one of the thousands and thousands of Knicks fans that booed the pick. It was one of the funniest scenes at Madison Square Garden when the Knicks announced that pick. The Boos were classic.

you can look back at my posts on it I didn't want Gallo I admit it. I usually go with blindly disliking Euro Prospects know matter who they are but I admit I was wrong I do like Danillo I see his talent and its not cause he is a Knick neither even if he was on the magic or the laker or any team I would be saying the same thing.

D-Unit
04-07-2009, 08:01 PM
you can look back at my posts on it I didn't want Gallo I admit it. I usually go with blindly disliking Euro Prospects know matter who they are but I admit I was wrong I do like Danillo I see his talent and its not cause he is a Knick neither even if he was on the magic or the laker or any team I would be saying the same thing.
...way to man up to it. I was a Courtney Lee hater leading up to the draft. Then when it happened I was forced to have hopes for him. Luckily he has exceeded my best expectations and I am a loser for hating him in the first place.

LTgiants
04-07-2009, 08:03 PM
...way to man up to it. I was a Courtney Lee hater leading up to the draft. Then when it happened I was forced to have hopes for him. Luckily he has exceeded my best expectations and I am a loser for hating him in the first place.

ya you were same on Courtney Lee as I was on Danillo lol http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif